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From: David Goldstein
Date: July 7, 2006 12:18:09 PM PDT
To: Tim Eyman
Subject: Your Show on KTTH

Dear Tim,

Congratulations on your guest spot filling in the next two weeks in the 5AM to 9AM slot on KTTH. Enjoy it while it lasts.

Since you seemed so eager to come on my show for the entire three hours, I’m sure you would be just as excited to have me come on one of your shows for the entire four hours. You just name the day, and I’ll show up. (Don’t worry, I have my own pass card to the Entercom studios, so I’ll just let myself in.)

I look forward to an “extended debate on the issues.”

Regards,

David

http://www.horsesass.org/
“Politics as unusual.”

“The David Goldstein Show”
Newsradio 710-KIRO, Sundays 7-10PM

Comments

  2. Hey Goldy – When you have saved the taxpayers a few billion dollars, them maybe you’ll have the standing to discuss issues with Mr. Eyman. Until then, stay in your place as a nuisance barking dog.

  6. To: MTR at #2:

    Eyman hasn’t saved anybody a penny. Eyman just has deferred transportation projects which will still have to be performed in the future, at a higher cost.

  7. Eyman has saved me THOUSANDS of dollars in MVET and prop taxes. Trans dollars spent here are fucking waste of money because HOV, bike trails, and trains don’t fix the fucking problem.

  8. I suspect the sing-song updown downup musical talk thing goldstein does with his voice would cause early morning listeners to vomit their Starbucks across their windshields thereby causing untold mayhem and death on Seattle highways and byways… I doubt KTTH wants the responsibility or the lawsuits…

    Face it, goldstein has a voice for AFTER a long and indulgent happy hour, not before breakfast… besides, they prefer discussion as opposed to Nutroots talking points.

  10. There’s a pattern here. Limbaugh doesn’t have guests, Bush needs a canned audience, Reichert won’t show up at constituent events, or radio interviews, Eyman won’t debate Goldy.

    You wingers can’t handle debate in any forum, not here, not anywhere.

  11. I just checked out the KTTH website. God, what a lineup of losers.

    Limbaugh, Medved, Fucking Micheal Savage, O’Reilly, Ingraham, Bill “Virtue at a Poker Machine” Bennett.

    Eyman will be in his element.

  13. 2

    Eyman didn’t save the taxpayers money, he cost the taxpayers money. How much did the attorney general spend defending Eyman initiatives that failed in the courts? Christine Gregoire, on the other hand, brought in $4,250,000,000.00 from the tobacco litigation – that’s $4.25 billion of taxes Washington citizens won’t have to pay over the next 20 years!

    So how much you give credit to a Republican who didn’t save the taxpayers any money, and don’t give credit to a Democrat who saved the taxpayers a shipload of money?

    I would say because, like Roger Rabbit, you’re a partisan hack.

  14. So how’s your gal Janeane Garofalo doing on Air America?

  16. Where’s the road it could have funded/fixed?
    Where’s the schools it could have built/funded?
    Where’s the remedy for the broken DSHS?

  17. Ask Timmy if he plans to discuss Bush’s efforts to “Enronize” Social Security on his show.

  18. 15

    “So where’s the 4.25 NOW rabbit?” Commentby howcanyoubePROUDtobeaKennedyandanASS— 7/7/06@ 2:24 pm

    The state gets $225 million a year for the next 20 years — if you ever read a newspaper, you’d know that. (wink-wink)

  19. 16

    “Where’s the road it could have funded/fixed?
    Where’s the schools it could have built/funded?
    Where’s the remedy for the broken DSHS?

    Commentby howcanyoubePROUDtobeaKennedyandanASS— 7/7/06@ 2:25 pm”

    Clue to the clueless: Look around and you’ll see it. The money goes into the General Fund, and money in the General Fund goes to WSDOT to fix roads (check out a construction project near your home), to schools (48% of the state budget), and — here’s the good one — Gregoire put the 48,000 poor kids Rossi kicked off Medicaid back on health care. So, yes, ProudtoBeanIgnorantAss, the money is being used as you’ve indicated.

  20. This is such a good topic I’ll post it again:

    Ask Timmy if he plans to discuss Bush’s efforts to “Enronize” Social Security on his show.

  21. Oh please the general fund is the play money for the majority party boondoggles…. a great big lnetherworld of cash with no accountability

  23. Do you morons understand that Eyeman is going to be a guest host replacing only HALF of a duo… it’s not his show, his producers, his decisions, his responsibilities… but nice try at changing the language to fit your agenda.

  24. David Boze on the morning show of KTTH is a fucking pussy. He believes in President Bush, he believes in the Iraq War, he’s young enough and fit enough to enlist in the Army, but refuses to join the military. Although, the “revisted” the idea after 9/11. He said, on air, he’d join the Army IF they needed him. I offered to drive him to the Army recuriter’s office so they could explain to him why the military keeps raising the enlistment cut off age and that he is in fact needed on active duty in the An-Bar province.

    Typical right-winger pussy, all blather and no balls. Plus he fucking lies like JCH.

    You pieces of shit Republicans make me sick.

    We’ve tried the conservative model of government for nearly 6 years and is simply DOES NOT WORK.

    I chanllenge any butt-fucking idiot who supports Bush to explain in detail the ONE FUCKING thing Bush and the Republicans have done so well it will be their memorable legacy. Like Clinton and the Greatest Economic Boom in the history of mankind.

    Go ahead, assholes, just tell all of us the ONE THING they’ve done well.

  26. 917 turned in 300k signatures today. So it’ll be on the ballot. Maybe the greedy fucking politicans will get it through their heads to get their greedy fucking hands out of our wallets. Maybe the courts will get the idea too that The People make the fucking rules.

    Maybe we can kill that fucking boondoggle Unsound Transit this time.

  28. So let’s see how the hypocrites chime in on this. According to the knuckle-dragging, baby-raping right wingers, Goldy was a coward for not letting that lying piece of shit Timmy Lieman have an entire radio to rant and rave. Now that the tables are turned, the righties won’t let me down. They’ll decide it’s DIFFERENT when it’s a righties who has to answer the challenge!

  32. RE: at 21:

    Oh please the general fund is the play money for the majority party boondoggles…. a great big lnetherworld of cash with no accountability”

    No, you are thinking about the off-budget “war costs” which the Bush administration is spending with NO accountability, and very little reporting, most of which is actually going into private contractor’s pockets under “no bid” contracts.

    The state general fund is transparant and specific, most of which goes to pay for education expenses and roads.

    Unfortunately, Republicans have spent so much time telling each other that the state funds are mis-managed, that they take it as gospel handed to them on high, to be asserted without reference to the facts. Nobody is about to try to defend every dime of state expenditure, but as recent experience on the national level shows, the Democrats are doing a damn good job managing the state finances, compared with what we could expect under the Republicans.

  33. 24

    GBS — tell me again the story of how JCH LIED about his military service! I NEVER get tired of that story!!! :D

  36. By the way, the last I heard the “war costs” have yet to be added into the budget deficit, since they are “off budget” items. Just when does Bush plan to add them into the budget, now that the war is over three years old, and is no longer a “temporary emergency”? Perhaps he plans to lump it all into the 2009 budget, so the Republicans can then try to blame the democrats for the financial mess?

  37. GoneBonkersS-24 Go ahead, assholes, just tell all of us the ONE THING they’ve done well.

    At the very least they have all the lefty wackos in a perpetual hissy-fit. That alone is worth the price of admission…..

  38. Ass at 23:
    it’s not his show, his producers, his decisions, his responsibilities… but nice try at changing the language to fit your agenda.

    Jesus H. Christ on a stick. Don’t you fucking righties understand sarcasm? Oh, I forgot. You don’t even have a sense of humor.

  39. Rakeface @24 – You want a list? Start with this:

    1) Instead of ignoring terrorists like Bill Clinton, or talking to them like Jimmy Carter, George Bush has a vision of transforming the middle east. He courageous vision to establish democracy in Iraq will be judged by history to be a great leap forward in this century to liberate a millions of people from the dictator’s jackboots and give them the same freedoms that we have. Just as President Reagan confronted the Evil Empire and destroyed it, President Bush is confronting the evil in the middle east and destroying it.

    2) President Bush inherited a recession from Bubba and implemented economic polices that are remarkably effective and have resulted in increased tax revenues, employment rates above 95%, home ownership at all time highs, while interest rates are at historical lows. We are economically better off than we have ever been.

    3) He has protected us from terror attacks, and has been quite bold in doing whatever it takes to ensure our safety. We were attacked 5 years ago, and while weaker nations have been attacked repeatedly, our strength and resolve along with President Bush’s courageous and bold leadership has protected us.

    Ensuring out long term safety, working for peace by destroying evil and bringing prosperty to America. Pretty good track record…

  40. -Trans dollars spent here are fucking waste of money because HOV, bike trails, and trains don’t fix the fucking problem. –

    MTR once again proves he’s a typical uneducated redneck – as opposed to a real conservative – whenever he actually mentions some policy issues (which is rare, of course).

    With the issue of HOV, MTRKennedy takes the trailer trash populist Eyman approach, completely ignoring the fact that HOV lanes carry 3-4 times the amount of people on the same roadway (with the same cost) as a general purpose lane. Again, if MTR was a true conservative, he would call this “cost effective.” But since he’s an ignorant redneck (with fake degrees and fake McMansion, to boot) he automatically assumes HOV lanes are a waste of money. On a side note, MTRKennedy’s contention that we should do away with HOV is a non-starter from the outset. If the Eyman clowns ever did make a run at ridding the state of evil HOV lanes, we taxpayers would be on the hook for hundreds of millions of dollars, since federal funding was contingent on keeping those lanes in HOV status for perpetuity.

    As for the bike lanes: yeah, MTR, adding a stripe down the side of a road SURE IS EXPENSIVE! And god knows how awful it would be if you got out of your basement and beat up SUV once in a while, and got rid of some of that flab (stomach and brain).

    As for those terrible trains: MTR, been to red cities like Phoenix, Dalla or Salt Lake lately? Phoenix is building their first light rail line, and Salt Lake City and Dallas are expanding theirs. I would be highly impressed if MTR could name a major metropolitan city where mass transit was left out of the mix, and highways are the only answer (jack up that Convention Center, you say?) I’ll be MTR goes impotent again on this one – as always. Plus, he’s already fulfilled his two sentences of public policy debate for the month (as opposed to the usual childish taunting).

    And finally, one only need to look back a couple years to Eyman’s I-745. It reflected MTR’s ignorant views on transportation almost to a “t.” It also went down in flames.

  41. -implemented economic polices that are remarkably effective and have resulted in increased tax revenues-

    That’s weird, MTRKennedy. Since you seem to be so excited about those increased tax revenues, can you put one of those Internet U degrees of yours to good work, and explain to us why he’s also blown spending, debt and deficit records?

    Bush is gambling with the world’s biggest Adjustable Rate Mortgage in record, and you’re trying to tell us that he has America’s long-term prospects in mind?

    These comments of yours make as much sense as your earlier statement that the people of the world should band together, and “kill each and every Muslim on the planet.”

    MTRKennedy is definitely what’s left of Bush’s ever-shrinking base. And it should scare the spooks at Bushco that all they have left on their side is a bunch of ignorant Talibangelists and bigots.

  42. Bush has a vision of transforming the middle east allright, into a Halliburton subsidiary. As for the economy, Baby Bush took a surplus created by President Clinton and turned it into the biggest budget deficit in history. And there’s no doubt in my mind that the cowardly Bush’s policies have made the world LESS SAFE for Americans.

    And then there’s the other highlights in Monkey Face’s career…

    1) Ordered the outing of a CIA agent
    2) Lied 40000 times about the war in Iraq
    3) Created the biggest trade deficit in history
    4) Let Osama get away a month before 9.11 and then let Osama’s family get away after 9.11
    5) Tried to turn our ports over to Arab control
    6) Screwed up the immigration situation
    7) And my personal favorite, got down on all fours, stuck his ass in the air and invited N. Korea to collectively fuck him in the ass because he’s afraid to fight any country that ACTUALLY DOES HAVE WMD!

  43. Librul – First of all, stop callin yerself a redneck. You’re a moonbat. Yer givin’ us real rednecks a bad name.

    I drive 70 fucking miles of freeway everyday. I see who’s in the HOV lanes. 95% of the traffic single mothers in their minivans with their brood, couples in their sedans and RVs, skilled trades guys in their trucks, and mostly empty fucking buses. People who would be traveling together anyway. Less than 5% of the traffic is people who are carpooling to take a car off the road for the benefit of being able to move around. So don’t tell me HOV lanes work; they have failed totally in their stated mission.

    A better use of HOV lanes would be to convert them to HOT lanes so that those of us whose time is worth more and can afford it can get around easier. Why the fuck should the single mother get where she’s going sooner than A Producer?

    On trains, this is Murka. We like our cars. It’s our culture. They’re fine for third world countries like france, but they are simply ineffective here. Every fucking city that has one fails to generate the promised benefits, and the cost per passenger is greater than if you chartered a helicopter to carry them.

  44. MTR at 39: Okay, ignoring the nonsense campaign rhetoric of # 1 and 3 for the moment, and concentrating on # 2:

    (a) President Bush inherited a recession from Bubba
    Hardly. Clinton is the one who inherited a reccession from George H.W. Bush. It took a couple of years to work our way out of that one, due in good part to good management by the Clinton administration (including his refusal to engage in “quick fixes” which many proposed). While many predicted that the Fed would slow down the running-full-tilt economic growth which prevailed during the second half of the Clinton administration, it was well into the Bush administration that we entered into a full recession.

    (b) resulted in increased tax revenues, employment rates above 95%, home ownership at all time highs, while interest rates are at historical lows. We are economically better off than we have ever been.

    Hardly attributable to Bush. In fact, what you are describing is the last four years of the Clinton administration, except that the numbers are even more impressive. Any “recovery” we are now experiencing is due to a temporary increase in deficit spending (the largest budget deficits in history), which we will have to pay for later. Bush is spending the federal money like a drunken heir, and when it comes time to pay the bar tab he will blame the bartender for wrecking the party.

    I get really tired of Republican efforts to re-write economic history in their favor. For a party that claims to know business and finance, they need to learn a simple lesson: IF YOU BORROW MONEY, YOU HAVE TO PAY IT BACK.

    Hell, perhaps I should take out a second mortgage, quit my job, and send my family on a fabulous vacation until the money is gone. Then when my wife takes over control of the finances, I can point out how much better we were living while I was in charge, but now that she’s having to pay off the resulting bills, we are worse off. Then wait until she gets just enough debt refinanced to put us back on an even budget, and then try to take control of the finances again. Hey, works for the Republicans, why not me?

  45. rhp – I’m not gonna debate facts with you. Murka’s economy entered recession in April of Bubba’s last year. All economists agree. Fact#2, Bubba did not inherit (in his words) “the worst economy in the past 50 years.” That was a textbook Clinton lie. The economy was still growing albeit at a slower rate, but we were not in recession.

    And don’t just blow off the other points I made unless you concede that I’m right as always.

  46. The prosperity of the country during the Clinton presidency can be traced, in part, to the explosion of the personal computer age and the internet.

    While lots of Republicans like to make fun of Gore for claiming some credit for the internet, the fact is that he was a moving force in opening up the internet to the public. Prior to that, the Republican position is that the internet should be confined to use by the government, academic institutions, and the military.

    Now, if the Republicans had been in charge during the Clinton presidency, what would have happened to the internet? Quite likely, it would have remained under government or selected corporate control. Imagine the world today without a free internet! And imagine the resulting reduction in our economy from the absence of the high-tech “boost” which the internet provided!

    We need to give credit where credit is due. Eisenhower deserves credit for the vision of an interstate highway system, and the guts to push it through. Kennedy deserves credit for the vision of the space program and the race to the moon. Johnson deserves credit for expending all his political capital in pushing for voting rights for minorities and anti-poverty programs. Bush I deserves credit for standing up to Saddam Hussein in Gulf War I. And Clinton deserves credit for the technology-based expansion which occured during his administration, as well as balancing the budget.

  48. To: MTR at #2:

    Eyman hasn’t saved anybody a penny. Eyman just has deferred transportation projects which will still have to be performed in the future, at a higher cost.

    Commentby rhp6033— 7/7/06@ 12:55 pm

    Okay rhp6033, you pay your $350.00 per year for tabs. Go for it!

  49. rhp, if you’re so hot on paying taxes, be my guest. Pay extra. Go ahead. Lead by example. Show us how generous you are.

    Didn’t think so. Fucking hypocrite…

  50. More lies of Leftturdy:

    1) Ordered the outing of a CIA agent – I thought she was covert. Oh yes Fitz didn’t say that. Fitz proved you a liar!
    2) Lied 40000 times about the war in Iraq – Was it War for Oil? Was it WMDs? Listen to Saddam Tapes. Already proved you a liar! for
    3) Created the biggest trade deficit in history – Maybe, I’ll concede part of that.
    4) Let Osama get away a month before 9.11 and then let Osama’s family get away after 9.11. WTF? Did you read Richard Clarke’s own words. I sent them home.

    LeftTurd –

    Liar
    Emasculated
    Freakshow
    Timewaster
    Thoughtless
    Useless
    Rejected
    DumbASS

  51. “George Bush has a vision of transforming the middle east. He courageous vision to establish democracy in Iraq will be judged by history to be a great leap forward in this century to liberate a millions of people from the dictator’s jackboots and give them the same freedoms that we have.”

    Wow, redneck, this statement bespeaks of absolutely massive ignorance of the history of the middle east, including fairly recent twentieth-century history, as well as showing a remarkable gullibility and willingness to believe neo-fascist talking points. But, leaving that aside, tell me just how does Boobush plan on “democratizing” Iraq, by killing everybody? Didn’t you learn nothin’ at all them fancy universities that gave you all them “advanced degrees”?

  52. 39

    “1) Instead of ignoring terrorists like Bill Clinton, or talking to them like Jimmy Carter, George Bush has a vision of transforming the middle east. He courageous vision to establish democracy in Iraq will be judged by history to be a great leap forward in this century to liberate a millions of people from the dictator’s jackboots and give them the same freedoms that we have. Just as President Reagan confronted the Evil Empire and destroyed it, President Bush is confronting the evil in the middle east and destroying it.”

    How’s that mideast “vision thing” working out for ya, Mark? http://www.thememoryhole.org/w.....sket04.jpg

    There’s so much bullshit in this paragraph, it’s hard to know where to begin.

    A) Clinton didn’t ignore terrorism, but your boy Georgie did. This is a long topic, so I’ll address it separately below.

    B) WTF makes you think the middle eastern peoples that you have, in the past, contemptuously referred to as “towelheads” want the political system your boy Georgie is attempting to foist on them? Isn’t it rather (a) arrogant and/or (b) ignorant to assume that a completely different culture likes our political system better than their own? Has it occurred to you that it took an iron-fisted dictator to keep Iraq’s factions from killing each other? Did they ask us to “save” them? Isn’t it pretty fucking clear, by their deeds and words, they want us to leave?

    You, and people who think like you, are what is known as “officious meddlers.” You don’t know what you’re doing. You do more harm than good. You ought to learn how to mind your own business.

    “2) President Bush inherited a recession from Bubba and implemented economic polices that are remarkably effective and have resulted in increased tax revenues, employment rates above 95%, home ownership at all time highs, while interest rates are at historical lows. We are economically better off than we have ever been.”

    There’s enough bullshit here to shovel into a truck!

    A) Bush took office in January 2001. The recession started in March 2001. Look it up.

    B) Mark says, “tax revenues have increased.” Roger Rabbit’s fact checking shows Mark is WRONG:

    2000 – $2,025,218,000,000
    2001 – $1,991,030,000,000
    2002 – $1,853,173,000,000
    2003 – $1,782,342,000,000
    2004 – $1,880,071,000,000
    2005 – $2,052,845,000,000*

    * Estimate
    These figures are total tax receipts that INCLUDE Social Security and Medicare taxes, which are not affected by the Bush tax cuts, and which grew in every year because of increased population. If you back out the latter, the drop in revenues is even greater than shown here. In addition, these are raw figures; if you adjust for inflation, revenues drop more still.
    Source: http://www.taxpolicycenter.org.....?Docid=203

    C) Mark says, “employment rates above 95%.” Roger Rabbit replies, while this is technically correct, it’s only a snapshot of the current situation and misrepresents Dubya’s economic performance. Looking at the larger picture, Dubya squandered the 3.9% unemployment rate that Clinton bequeathed to him; unemployment was above 5%, and at times above 6%, continuously from Sept. 2001 until Aug. 2005, and has never gone below 4.6% under Bush. Furthermore, after Bush enacted his tax cuts, the employment rate didn’t fall, it rose. Why? Because the tax cuts were targeted to the wealthy investor class, but the economy already had overcapacity, and did little to increase consumer spending, which is what the economy needed more of. Source: http://research.stlouisfed.org.....UNRATE.txt

    “3) He has protected us from terror attacks, and has been quite bold in doing whatever it takes to ensure our safety. We were attacked 5 years ago, and while weaker nations have been attacked repeatedly, our strength and resolve along with President Bush’s courageous and bold leadership has protected us. Ensuring out long term safety, working for peace by destroying evil and bringing prosperty to America. Pretty good track record…”

    Gross bullshit!.

    A) Clinton warned Bush about al Qaeda; Bush ignored the warning. Clinton gave Bush a plan to combat terror; Bush shelved it. Until 9/11, Bush did nothing about terrorism, which Clinton regarded as the #1 threat to America’s security. 9/11 happened on Bush’s watch, and it happened because Bush was sleeping on the job. He spent 41% of the time between his inauguration and 9/11 on vacation in Texas.

    B) Bush has exposed the U.S. to greater, not less, risk of terrorism by opening Iraq to terrorists and inviting reprisals for U.S. torture.

    C) Mark refers to “weaker nations” experiencing terrorism attacks, but doesn’t tell us what countries he’s referring to, nor does he define “terrorism.” Terrorism statistics can be mighty slippery. Countries like Spain and Northern Island, which have homegrown separatist movements, have experienced violent incidents for many years. Acts that might be called “terrorism” have been endemic in Asia and above all in the Middle East for living memory.

    If you judge Bush’s “war on terror” by the number of global terrorism incidents, then his policy is not working, because the number of such incidents has grown “dramatically,” according to an April 2005 Washington Post story. http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....02096.html

    In any case, we should be skeptical of official U.S. government claims, because a University of California professor who maintains an independent database of terrorism incidents has concluded the Bush administration is “politically manipulating” terrorism data. http://www.dailytrojan.com/med.....trojan.com

    A comparison of Clinton’s versus Dubya’s terrorism efforts is worthy of a separate comment, and takes too much space to post here.

  53. BUSH DROPPED THE BALL ON TERRORISM

    In his memoirs, “The Clinton Wars” (New York: Farrar, Strauss, and Giroux, 2003), Sidney Blumenthal wrote at pages 797-798:

    “Bush’s approach in most situations seemed a reactive combination of calculations to avoid his father’s mistakes and to reject Clinton’s policies. This was especially clear in international affairs: in his first nine months he reversed Clinton’s policy toward China, proclaiming it no longer a ‘strategic partner’ but a ‘strategic competitor’; in the Middle East, by withdrawing U.S. involvement in the negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians; toward Korea, by abandoning the negotiated accord that had frozen the North’s nuclear program and by humiliating President Kim of South Korea, who was promoting North-South reconciliation, during his March 2001 visit to the White House, contributing to a wave of anti-Americanism in a country that was among the staunchest American allies; by withdrawing U.S. support from the Kyoto treaty on global warming; and by forsaking Clinton’s efforts to address the dangers of international terrorism.

    “During the transition between administrations, National Security Adviser Sandy Berger arranged several extensive briefings on this last subject for Bush’s incoming national security adviser, Condoleeza Rice, and others on the Bush team, including Vice President Cheney. One briefing lasted half a day. Berger told them that Osama bin Laden was an ‘existential threat’ and told them that he wanted ‘to underscore how important this issue is.’ In another briefing, Richard Clarke, head of counterrorism in the NSC, the single most knowledgeable expert in the government, gave them a complete tutorial on the subject. In yet another briefing, CIA officials were brought in to go over all the intelligence available on terrorism.

    “Don Kerrick, a three-star general and outgoing deputy national security adviser, overlapped for four months with the new Bush people. He submitted a memo for the new National Security Council warning of the danger of terrorism. ‘We are going to be struck again,’ he wrote. But as Kerrick explained to me, he received no answer to his memo. ‘They didn’t respond,’ he said. ‘They never responded. It was not high on their priority list. I was never invited to one meeting. They never asked me to do anything. They were not focusing. They didn’t see terrorism as the big megaissue that the Clinton administration saw it as. They were concentrated on what they thought were higher priorities than terrorism.’ The Principals meeting of national security officials took up terrorism only once, after constant pressure from Clarke, on September 4, 2001, and at that meeting they discussed using unmanned Predator drone spy aircraft, but no decision was made. ‘Unfortunately,’ said Kerrick, ‘September 11 gave them something to focus on.’”

    The many lapses and failures of the Bush administration in the months leading up to 9/11 have been well documented in the news media, among others by Time Magazine: http://www.time.com/time/cover.....story.html

  54. Mark the Redneck is shilling the rightwing lie that Clinton neglected the terrorist threat. There are many, many, many sources to refute this bullshit. I’ll provide a couple.

  56. “When in doubt, don’t blame Clinton”

    by Ken Beck, Perspective Columnist
    September 15, 2003

    ” … I do my best to try to avoid doing columns in response to other columns … but last Thursday, Jack Daniel wrote something so asinine that I couldn’t let him get away with it.

    ” … he wrote, ‘Had former President Bill Clinton pursued terrorism with more authority like President George Bush, Sept. 11 might not ever have happened.’ He asked what Clinton did about the USS Cole bombing. His answer: ‘Nothing. Nothing was done.’ Finally, his conclusion: ‘Because of our lax approach to this event, the terrorists felt it was proper time to launch a full-scale attack; this is why Sept. 11 occurred.’

    “”That’s an excellent point. And you know what would’ve made it even better? If it were true. But it’s one of those right-wing lies that finds its way into the mainstream.

    Here’s what former counterterrorism official in the Reagan Administration Robert Oakley told The Washington Post on Dec. 24, 2000, about Clinton’s national security policy: ‘Overall, I give them very high marks.’ He went on: ‘The only major criticism I have is the obsession with Osama, which made him stronger.’

    “Only 38 days into Clinton’s presidency in 1993, the World Trade Center was bombed. Did he blame Bush Sr.? No, he oversaw the effort that captured and convicted these terrorists.

    “Look at what Clinton did to the FBI’s counterterrorism budget: He tripled it. He was the first president to sponsor a crime bill that included antiterrorism legislation including an order to stockpile vaccines for smallpox and anthrax.

    “Clinton ordered the CIA to assassinate Osama bin Laden in 1996 after the twin embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania. And after the USS Cole bombing, Clinton … formulate(d) a plan to attack and destroy the terrorist training camps in Afghanistan and appoint counterterrorism expert Richard Clarke to head it up.

    “According to Time magazine on Aug. 12, 2002, the plan also included ways to cut off terrorist funding, support Northern Alliance forces in Afghanistan and give aid to countries facing al-Qaida insurgence. The same Time article quotes a Bush Administration official saying that the plan was ‘everything we’ve done since 9-11.’

    “Unfortunately, that plan … was ignored (by Bush) despite carrying Clarke over from the Clinton Administration. Clinton’s National Security Adviser Sandy Berger briefed Condoleeza Rice about the al-Qaida threat. And what did Condi do about it? The same Time article reported she didn’t even bother to pass the info onto President Bush.

    …

    “So why do some people think it’s a good idea to point their fingers at a former president who did more to combat terrorism than any president before him?

    “Because right-wingers just despise Bill Clinton and resent all the good he’s done for this country. They can’t stand the fact that he was one of the most successful presidents in history, despite the constant character assassination attempts coming from the right. I say get over Clinton and find Osama bin Laden! Remember him?”

    http://www.star.niu.edu/perspe.....linton.php

  57. Let’s get a couple of things straight here. “Mark, the self styled “””Redneck”””” is no redneck, just a dumb asshole.

    Real rednecks aren’t “providers of services who help others produce wealth” as Mark claims to be. Real rednecks strap on a toolbelt and go out and produce the wealth with their bare hands (OK, they wear gloves). Something I doubt Mark has any firsthand experience of.

    Real rednecks actually served in the armed forces. Mark, apparently did not.

    Real rednecks drive older pickups, not SUV’s. Mark brags about his low gas mileage as if being stupid is some sort of initiation passage.

    Finally, real rednecks love their country, not the Republican Party, and the realize the two aren’t the same. So they are not inclined to become apologetic shills for the massive failure of the current administration.

    So Mark, get your head out of you ass and admit your real alliance: you’re just another wing-nut.

  58. LET ME REITERATE

    two points from the preceding article:

    1) Reagan’s antiterrorism official gave Clinton “high marks”

    2) The USS Cole bombing took place only 3 months before Clinton left office.

    Bush did not catch the perps in 3 months! Although a number of people ultimately were convicted in a Yemeni court for the Cole bombing, they were not apprehended and convicted for several years — and 13 of the Cole perps escaped from a Yemeni prison in Feb. 2006 and are now at large.

  59. WHAT CLINTON DID TO FIGHT TERRORISM

    Clinton administration anti-terrorism initiatives:

    (1) Pass the Omnibus Counter-Terrorism Act of 1995

    Provides federal criminal jurisdiction for any international terrorist attack in the US; provides federal criminal jurisdiction over terrorists in the US planning attacks overseas; provides a mechanism, through federal courts, to expeditiously deport alien terrorists without disclosing national security information or techniques; provides a mechanism for preventing fundraising in the US to support terrorist activities overseas; and implements an international treaty requiring manufacturers of plastic explosives to add a chemical detection agent.

    (2) Provide more tools to federal law enforcement agencies fighting terrorism.

    Amend the Fair Credit Reporting Act to make it easier for FBI agents to get access to financial and credit reports for counter-terrorism purposes. Amend federal law to adopt, in national security cases, the standard in routine criminal cases for obtaining “pen registers” and “trap and trace” device orders. (A “pen register” is a device which records the number dialed on a telephone. A “trap and trace” device is similar to Caller ID and gives law enforcement the telephone number from which a call was made.) Pass legislation requiring innkeepers and common carriers to provide records to the FBI pursuant to authorized national security requests, replacing a system of voluntary cooperation. Fully fund the FBI’s court-authorized electronic surveillance of secure telephone transmissions (“digital telephony”); also allocate funds for FBI counterterrorist and counterintelligence activities, including logistics and other support. Create an interagency Domestic Counterterrorism Center headed by the FBI to establish a working partnership between the Justice Department, including the FBI, and other federal and state law enforcement agencies to coordinate anti-terrorism efforts within the United States.

    (3) Directed the attorney general to assess potential terrorism threats against every federal facility in the country and report her recommendations within 60 days.

    (4) Directed GSA to replace the federal building in Oklahoma City.

    (5) Directed the FBI director, attorney general, and national security adviser to prepare a Presidential Decision Directive authorizing any and all further steps necessary to combat foreign and domestic terrorism.

    (6) Hired 1,000 new agents, prosecutors, and other federal law enforcement and support personnel to investigate, deter, and prosecute terrorist activity.

    (7) Passed legislation to require taggants in standard explosive raw materials to permit tracing of the materials after an explosion.

    (8) Required the BATF to study and report on tagging explosive materials for purposes of identification and detection, whether common chemicals (e.g., agricultural fertilizers) used to manufacture explosives can be rendered inert for such use, and whether controls can be imposed on certain precursor chemicals used to make explosives.

    (9) Amend the Posse Comitatus Act to permit military participation in crime-fighting involving weapons of mass destruction, such as chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons, in which the military has special expertise.

    (10) Amend the Electronic Communications Privacy Act of 1968 to use of electronic surveillance to fight terrorism. (2)

    (11) Amend Federal law to criminalize the use of all chemical forms of chemical weapons, including materials in liquid or solid form which weren’t covered by the existing law.

    (12) Make it illegal to possess explosives the individual knows were stolen.

    (13) Increase the statute of limitations on violations of the National Firearms Act.

    (14) Authorize the Secretary of Treasury to use Treasury Department aircraft to support law enforcement in emergencies.

    (15) Amend reward statutes to give the attorney general more authority to pay rewards not subject to the spending limitations of 18 USC Sec. 3059 and 3072.

    (16) Increase penalties for persons convicted of transferring firearms or explosives with knowledge it will be used to commit drug trafficking or violent crime.

    (17) Amend 18 USC Sec. 111 to broaden existing enhanced penalties for terrorist attacks against federal employees, to cover all current and former federal employees and their families, when the crime is committed because of the official duties of the federal employee.

  60. Here’s more of what Clinton and Gore did to fight terrorism:

    – Developed the nation’s first anti-terrorism policy, and appointed the first national coordinator of anti-terrorist efforts.

    – Foiled Al Qaeda’s millennium bombing plot.

    – Tried to kill Osama bin Laden and disrupt Al Qaeda through preemptive strikes (the GOP denounced these efforts at the time).

    – Brought to justice the perpetrators of first World Trade Center bombing and CIA murders.

    – Convened the Hart-Rudman Commission to report on terrorist threats and recommend steps to combat terrorism.

    By contrast, here is the Bush/Cheney anti-terrorism record before September 11, 2001:

    – Backed off Clinton administration’s anti-terrorism efforts.

    – Shelved the Hart-Rudman report.

    – Appointed a new anti-terrorism task force under Dick Cheney that didn’t meet even once before 9/11.

    – Called for cuts in Pentagon’s anti-terrorism efforts.

    – Gave no priority to DOJ’s anti-terrorism efforts.

    – Ignored warnings from Sandy Berger and Louis Freeh.

    – Halted Predator drone tracking of Osama bin Laden.

    – Did nothing about CIA’s report of August 6, 2001 C.I.A. report warning an Al Qaeda attack was almost certain.

    – Failed to order any coordination of intelligence data, thereby missing opportunity to stop the 9/11 plot.

    – Blamed Clinton for 9/11.

    And here’s what Bush and Cheney did after 9/11:

    – Interfered with a bipartisan investigation of the intelligence failures surrounding 9/11

    – 15 months after 9/11, the “National Commission on Terrorist Attacks” had no funding, no director, no office, no desks, or even a telephone number.

    – Bombed and invaded Afghanistan, then installed an ex-employee of Unocal to govern the country, assuring Unocal of getting their long sought trans-Afgahnistan pipeline — and creating more hatred against the US in the region.

    – Bombed and invaded Iraq, creating thousands of new terrorist recruits from all over the Middle East.

    – Spent only $9 million on the anti-terrorism commission, compared to the $70 million that Republicans spent on Ken Starr’s investigation of Bill Clinton.

    – Consistently opposed homeland security funding, and delayed creating a federal Department of Homeland Security for over a year in a tiff with Democrats over whether DHS employees would have union rights.

  62. Hey Redneck — tell me again how Bush’s tax cuts INCREASED federal revenues!

    2000 – $2,025,218,000,000
    2001 – $1,991,030,000,000
    2002 – $1,853,173,000,000
    2003 – $1,782,342,000,000

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  63. Hey Redneck – tell me again how the employment rate was over 95% as a result of Bush’s economic policies!

    2001-01-01 4.2
    2001-02-01 4.2
    2001-03-01 4.3
    2001-04-01 4.4
    2001-05-01 4.3
    2001-06-01 4.5
    2001-07-01 4.6
    2001-08-01 4.9
    2001-09-01 5.0
    2001-10-01 5.3
    2001-11-01 5.5
    2001-12-01 5.7
    2002-01-01 5.7
    2002-02-01 5.7
    2002-03-01 5.7
    2002-04-01 5.9
    2002-05-01 5.8
    2002-06-01 5.8
    2002-07-01 5.8
    2002-08-01 5.7
    2002-09-01 5.7
    2002-10-01 5.7
    2002-11-01 5.9
    2002-12-01 6.0
    2003-01-01 5.8
    2003-02-01 5.9
    2003-03-01 5.9
    2003-04-01 6.0
    2003-05-01 6.1
    2003-06-01 6.3
    2003-07-01 6.2
    2003-08-01 6.1
    2003-09-01 6.1
    2003-10-01 6.0
    2003-11-01 5.9
    2003-12-01 5.7
    2004-01-01 5.7
    2004-02-01 5.6
    2004-03-01 5.7
    2004-04-01 5.5
    2004-05-01 5.6
    2004-06-01 5.6
    2004-07-01 5.5
    2004-08-01 5.4
    2004-09-01 5.4
    2004-10-01 5.4
    2004-11-01 5.4
    2004-12-01 5.4
    2005-01-01 5.2
    2005-02-01 5.4
    2005-03-01 5.1
    2005-04-01 5.1
    2005-05-01 5.1
    2005-06-01 5.0
    2005-07-01 5.0
    2005-08-01 4.9
    2005-09-01 5.1
    2005-10-01 4.9
    2005-11-01 5.0
    2005-12-01 4.9
    2006-01-01 4.7
    2006-02-01 4.8
    2006-03-01 4.7
    2006-04-01 4.7
    2006-05-01 4.6
    2006-06-01 4.6

    Source: http://research.stlouisfed.org.....UNRATE.txt

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  65. 57

    Mark isn’t a “producer.” He doesn’t grow, build, or make anything. He’s a paper pusher with a calculator. He isn’t a “producer” any more than a basketball player or a lawyer is a “producer” — he LIED about that, too.

  66. It isn’t even correct to call Mark a “fucking liar” because his vagina is dead and the only thing he’s fucking is his five fingers.

  67. And occasionally a horse, on side trips to Enumclaw.

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  68. Hey Mark,

    How’d you like to meet a real redneck. How bout you and me, no holds barred. It’s been a while since I’ve had the chance to kick someone’s ass up between their ears

    Can’t think of a nicer guy to kick.

    Let me know, be happy to find out how tough you really are.

  70. Roger is a liar – he lies about being a rabbit. He is only a poor, pathetic person who has no better use of time other than to spend hours of his time posting continual 95% nonsense on this blog. If he would stick to the facts that are exhibited in some his posts and leave off the utter idiocy of his Ad Hominem attacks in the majority of his posts, he would be much more believable and this blog would be much more readable.

  75. Mark @ 7 — Your roads don’t fix MY fucking problem. Pay for your own god damn roads. Don’t use the taxes I pay (yes, even the gas taxes I pay) to pay for them.

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