Drinking Liberally — Seattle

DLBottlePlease join us for an evening of politics and conversation over a pint at the Seattle Chapter of Drinking Liberally.

Tonight we will be joined by Secretary of State candidate, past Public Delegate to the United Nations, and former two-term Seattle Mayor Greg Nickels.

(During his last visit to Drinking Liberally, Mayor Nickels presented the chapter with a “Republican St” street sign. It still hangs over the bar, plastered with liberal political stickers.)

We meet every Tuesday at the Montlake Ale House, 2307 24th Avenue E. Starting time is 8:00pm. Some people show up earlier for Dinner.

Can’t make it to Seattle tonight? Check out one of the other DL meetings over the next week. The Tri-Cities chapter also meets tonight. The Spokane chapter and Drinking Liberally Tacoma meet this Thursday. On Monday, the Yakima, South Bellevue and Olympia chapters meet.

With 230 chapters of Living Liberally, including twelve in Washington state and four in both Oregon and Idaho, chances are excellent there’s a chapter near you.

Comments

  1. 1

    Michael spews:

    Tonight we will be joined by Secretary of State candidate, past Public Delegate to the United Nations, and former two-term Seattle Mayor Greg Nickels.

    You forgot to put washed-out has-been in your description of Nickels. Sorry, but most of the choices I’ll have on my ballot in November make me want to barf.

    It’s not a left-right thing, (I’m not that far to the left anyway) it’s a forward, jog in place, or go back thing. Very few of the people currently running for office are part of the “go forward” coalition & Nickels certainly isn’t.

  2. 2

    Puddybud spews:

    If rujax is spotted at tonight’s DL, axe (Jesse Jackson pronunciation) him how does he feel about real men of God standing up for principles?

    The Rev. Williams Owens, who is president and founder of the Coalition of African-Americans Pastors and the leader of the campaign, has highlighted opposition to same-sex marriage among African-Americans. He calls this campaign “an effort to save the family.”

    “The time has come for a broad-based assault against the powers that be that want to change our culture to one of men marrying men and women marrying women,” said Owens, in an interview Tuesday after the launch event at the National Press Club. “I am ashamed that the first black president chose this road, a disgraceful road.”

    Wow, 3,742 religious black Christian pastors are on board for this anti-Obummer campaign. Of course the dumb cinder block… no, dumb as a stump rujax will be wery wery qwiet!

  3. 7

    Puddybud spews:

    Maybe y’all could discuss the impressive flexibility of Lib da schmuck while pounding a few…

    Discuss how he can have his foot in his mouth and his head up his ASS at the same time.

  4. 8

    ev spews:

    Puddy-
    Did you see this??

    “I take your criticism seriously and you are correct that you are owed an apology,” Pfeiffer wrote in an email that Krauthammer asked be made public. “There was clearly an internal confusion about the two busts and there was no intention to deceive.”

    the Obama White House douchbag screwed up big-time over Obama getting rid of the Churchill bust. Krauthammer is brilliant!! This idiot looks like an amateur…which is perfect for the amateur President Obama.

  5. 9

    Puddybud spews:

    Discuss how Obummer’s supporters represent the 99%ers. Like these two Obummer jockstraps renting a Hampton’s house for $400 Large!

    PuddyCommentary… Typical DUMMOCRAPTS do as I say not as I do!

  6. 10

    Puddybud spews:

    @8 Yep. I guess Pfeiffer has ridiculed too much and he had to fess up since the British reiterated they have the Oval Office bust!

  7. 11

    Michael spews:

    Wow, 3,742 religious black Christian pastors

    All up in the business of our secular state…

  8. 15

    Michael spews:

    @1
    Did I scare my lefty friends off?

    The left-right political thing got started during the French revolution and I think has outlived it’s usefulness. Everyone that’s of some sort of use right now and for the near future is a free market social democrat of some stripe or another. The model that best fits today is the tech sector’s early mid and late adopters. Near as I can tell 95% Democrats and Republicans in elected office around the country fit in the mid and late adopter categories with it being heavily weighted towards the late adopters*.

    Personally, I’m a political early adopter, so fuck those people.

    *I think I’m being charitable by describing people who want to spend millions of dollars, while we’re deeply in debt, building tanks the military doesn’t need or want, as late adopters.

  9. 17

    ev spews:

    Take a look at the RealClearPolitics Electoral Map–
    http://www.realclearpolitics.c.....e_map.html

    In the last month, Wisconsin went to Obama and Missouri went to Romney.

    Romney pretty much has to win both Florida and Ohio. IF he does, that makes it Romney 238 vs. Obama 231 with these left:

    Colorado (9)
    Iowa (6)
    Michigan (16)
    Nevada (6)
    New Hampshire (4)
    North Carolina (15)
    Virginia (13)

    Let’s say Michigan & Nevada goes to Obama and NC to Romney..
    Then we are at 253 Romney vs. 253 Obama with these left–

    Colorado (9)
    Iowa (6)
    New Hampshire (4)
    Virginia (13)

    Means that to win, candidate needs to win at least 2 of these…or Colorado, Iowa and NH to get it done.

    Again, let’s see where we are at 2 weeks after the Conventions.

    BTW, I see the Democrat Convention has been cut to 3 days because they lack $$.

  10. 18

    Serial Conservative spews:

    “We’re gonna take you and your queen…..

    To the guillotine…….

    And shorten you a little bit.”

  11. 19

    ev spews:

    12. Serial Conservative spews:
    What’s a non-religious pastor?

    Sadly, they are out there and the numbers growing.
    They pick & chose which parts of the Bible are correct and don’t openly acknowledge Christ as their Savior.

    They want everyone to feel good about themselves, not convicted by their sins.

  12. 22

    spews:

    “His poor father must be so embarrassed about his son,” Reid said in reference to George Romney’s decision to turn over 12 years of tax returns when he ran for president in 1968.

    Reid suggested that Romney’s decision to withhold tax information would bar him from ever earning Senate confirmation to a Cabinet post. Then, Reid recalled a phone call his office received about a month ago from “a person who had invested with Bain Capital,” according to The Huffington Post.

    Reid said the person told him: “Harry, he didn’t pay any taxes for 10 years.”

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/....._blog.html

    Wow!

  13. 23

    Michael spews:

    Bernie Sanders says Walmart heirs own more wealth than bottom 40 percent of Americans

    What’s wrong with that picture?

    Well for starters there’s only one senator saying it and he’s one of the senates more toothless members. But, what do you expect when the senate has been turned into a fraternal order for millionaires and corporations are people too.

  14. 25

    Puddybud spews:

    And of course the HA ylbbuttspigot puts speculation on HA like the buttspigot he is!

    Madden added that it was “troubling and disappointing that Senator Reid would cite Governor Romney’s father, George, as part of a personal attack against the governor. We have many substantive disagreements with the senator and his policies, but using insults about a father-son relationship is a step too far.”

    Reid did not identify his alleged source. And questions about Romney’s taxes have remained. But this is a bit reminiscent of Billy Shaheen talking about Barack Obama and drugs back in January 2008 — it tosses an explosive topic into the conversation, even in unsubstantiated form. It’s worth noting that Romney’s camp recently told Alex that it’s “not true” that the candidate ever had a year of paying zero taxes.

  15. 27

    Puddybud spews:

    Bernie Sanders says Walmart heirs own more wealth than bottom 40 percent of Americans

    But wait… they didn’t build that!

  16. 31

    Steve spews:

    @6 “I guess it’s OK with the Dems if the GOP goes after Obama with this type of approach. Right?”

    Geez, I hope you don’t respond by starting unfounded rumors that the president is a Kenyan Muslim jihadist and then start demanding to see his birth certificate. Oh, wait, you’ve been doing that since he had the nomination in hand in 2008. My bad.

    So what was the point of your faux indignation again, Bob? That wingnut shit smells like roses? Yeah, I’m sure.

    Your side loves to dish it out and yet you cry like babies when someone does it to you. I suggest that you grow a spine, Bob, and stop your damned whining and take it like a man.

  17. 33

    Steve spews:

    @19 “They pick & chose which parts of the Bible are correct”

    We all know who you’re talkin’ about. But why are you so mean to all those right-wing Christians who cherrypick the Bible? I thought you fucktards were on their side?

  18. 34

    Michael spews:

    So… Harry Reid, a corrupt as fuck (Hey were slinging rumors around here!) (does anyone really believe he never took a kickback as a member of the Nevada Gaming Commission?) zillionaire and member of the (whack job) Mormon Church is accusing zillionaire mormon corrupt finance guy Mitt Romney of not paying taxes. That’s fun.

    Yes, Mitt needs to cough up the documents, but let’s see Harry’s while were at it.

  19. 35

    Michael spews:

    Even ABCNews, no friend of Republicans called it “wild speculation“!

    Balderdash, ABC News is a friend to the rich and powerful everywhere, Republicans included.

  20. 37

    Steve spews:

    @32 In case you missed it, I tried to answer your question about how much goes to overhead over on the open thread.

  21. 42

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @29 As long as Romney keeps acting like he’s hiding something, “wild speculation” is the public’s only alternative to seeing the actual tax returns. Romney knows how to end the “wild speculation” immediately. Question is, is the truth worse than the “wild speculation”? Unless he lets the public see the truth, people will assume it is.

  22. 48

    ev spews:

    I got a kick out of this article. The solution?
    Why don’t cut wages or government employees…RAISE PROPERTY TAXES 33%!!
    And wouldn’t you know it, the Mayor and Council are all Dummocrats.

    Earlier this month Scranton attracted international attention when Mayor Chris Doherty, a Democrat, said the city was unable to meet its million-dollar payroll, and he ordered all 400 city workers to be paid the federal minimum wage of $7.25 an hour. Doherty, whose salary is $50,000 a year, slashed his own pay along with police, firefighters and public works employees.
    Unions representing city workers went to court and won an injunction preventing Doherty from violating collective bargaining agreements. The mayor ignored the court order, explaining the city did not have money to pay workers their full salaries.
    Firefighters like Judge called the mayor’s decision “insulting.”
    “These guys are trained professionals. These guys train every day,” he said. “They put their lives on the line.”
    Two weeks ago, citing improved tax flow, the mayor restored full pay but still faced a contempt hearing for ignoring a judge’s order. The city, meanwhile, owed workers about $700,000 in back wages.
    Last Friday, the mayor and city council, all of whom are Democrats, reached agreement on a financial recovery plan that among other things calls for a minimum 33 percent increase in real estate taxes. Pending state approval, the plan paves the way for Scranton to almost immediately receive more than $2 million through in a state loan and a grant.

    Massive Tax increases and grants (someone elses money)..
    They are the Dummocrat Way!!

  23. 49

    Liberal Scientist is a Dirty Fucking Socialist Hippie spews:

    @17

    Romney pretty much has to win both Florida and Ohio.

    As roger said, that’s a lot of ‘if’s’.
    And Romney is not doing so well in either locale – see here for Quinnipiac likely voters in Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and here for more discussion.

    So, your beginning premise is entirely threatened and perhaps unattainable, at least at this point.

    Again, let’s see where we are at 2 weeks after the Conventions.

    You seem to be counting on the Republican Pageant of Idiocy, BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!!, 911 !!!!, Death Panels!!! Cold Dead Hands! Palin!! in primetime to rescue your drowning Mitt…

    Ain’t gonna happen.

  24. 52

    Puddybud spews:

    @48
    Please cite your sources.

    What’s wrong Lib da schmuck, can’t find the story on those left wrong looney toons whack job sites?

    Try googling it yourself ya idiot! Many stories on the ‘nets.

  25. 53

    Deathfrogg spews:

    @ Spuddy

    In any publication, the AUTHOR is required to cite sources. Otherwise, its either plagiarism, or a lie. There is no writing instructor or English professor anywhere in the country that would accept a purportedly factual submitted work of writing with non-cited source material. That is an absolute requirement. If ev is going to submit something as fact, then that fact must have a source. Otherwise, there is no basis for debate, and no foundation in reality. Therefore it is fiction.

    Since, like you, he is seriously unhinged, a TeaBagg imbecile and obviously uneducated, ( I’d say probably less than a high school graduate) he has not done this.

    Criminentlies, I am sick of reactionary morons; spouting rumors, innuendo, and horribly shallow rhetoric as “fact” when they cannot even spell correctly or use proper punctuation. Just once I would like to see a properly educated TeaBagger. But that is a totally incongruous concept. One automatically assumes that calling oneself a TeaBagger is an automatic indication that the individual is not well educated nor are they capable of engaging in discourse without lying in a manner than can easily be pointed out.

    Ev is one such individual. As are you.

  26. 54

    Puddybud spews:

    So Fraggy,

    We noticed the OWS gang appeals to you! Anarchists, rapists, druggies, terrorists, litterers, etc. Yeah, they are an educated lot. Real brain power in that group. That’s why you gravitate to their activities. You love terrorists blowing up infrastructure all in the name of the 99%ers as we all can see from your “writings”!

    Glenn Beck had another of his historic meeting last weekend and what trouble happened Fraggy? Name something Fraggy? Tea Party members Fraggy. Civil and peaceful unlike you and your OWS freakshow. Maybe you can fashion some sheet metal for them and describe your brain power!

    You are a PERFECT representative of OWS Fraggy. They are right up your alley!

  27. 55

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Republicans continue to drive moderates out of their party; new polls are devastating for the GOP. (Gee, is there a connection?)

    “One of the most underreported stories of this presidential election is how the Republican brand is in FAR WORSE shape than the Democratic brand. In our most recent NBC/WSJ poll, the GOP’s fav/unfav was 34%-43% vs. the Democrats’ 40%-40%. Indeed, the GOP has had a worse fav/unfav than the Democrats in every single NBC/WSJ poll (that’s 14 of them!!!) since Jan. 2011, after Republicans won control of the House. So as the Tea Party/grassroots/anti-establishment conservative wing of the GOP has become MORE powerful, the GOP’s overall brand image has gone down, especially with indies.”

    And …

    “Brand new Quinnipiac/New York Times/CBS surveys show Obama leading Romney among likely voters in Florida (51%-45%), Ohio (50%-44%), and Pennsylvania (53%-42%).”

    http://horsesass.org/?p=45098

    Roger Rabbit Commentary: With Florida, Ohio, and Pennsylvania firmly in Obama’s camp, Romney has no path to victory.

  28. 57

    Puddybud spews:

    Since, like you, he is seriously unhinged, a TeaBagg imbecile and obviously uneducated,

    Apparently you know very little about Puddy. You don’t get to do what I do all over the world being uneducated. Maybe what you do takes little education and that’s why it’s Psych 101 Projection time!

    Don’t project your pathetic life on me ya moron! I enjoy what I do all over the world!

  29. 58

    Puddybud spews:

    Steve…

    Google “scranton police pay raises” and there are stories galore on this subject from the left and the right!

  30. 59

    Serial Conservative spews:

    @ 55

    Check the crosstabs.

    Now let’s take a look at the partisan breakdown (D/R/I) in the sample data for each state, and compare them to 2008 and 2010 exit polling:

    Florida: CBS/NYT 36/27/32, 2008 37/34/29, 2010 36/36/29
    Ohio: CBS/NYT 35/27/32, 2008 39/31/30, 2010 36/37/28
    Pennsylvania: CBS/NYT 38/32/26, 2008 44/37/18, 2010 40/37/23
    The CBS/NYT model has Democrats a +9 in Florida when in 2008 they were only a +3 and an even split in the 2010 midterms. Ohio’s sample has exactly the split in 2008 (D+8), which is nine points better than Democrats did in the midterms. Pennsylvania’s numbers (D+6) come closest to a rational predictive model, somewhere between 2008′s D+7 and 2010′s D+3, but still looking mighty optimistic for Democratic turnout.

    In other words, these polls are entirely predictive if one believes that Democrats will outperform their turnout models from the 2008 election in Florida and Ohio. That would require a huge boost in Democratic enthusiasm and a sharp dropoff in Republican enthusiasm — which is exactly the opposite that Gallup found last week.

    http://hotair.com/archives/201.....itting-50/

    Obama’s below 50% in 3/4 of the states, including essentially all of the battleground states.

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/156.....roval.aspx

    The only thing firmly in Obama’s camp is RR’s ability to think critically, I observe.

  31. 60

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @52 “Many stories on the ‘nets.”

    So true, spuds. You can find a “source” on the net to support just about anything you want to say. But here’s the problem. Unlike professionally edited academic and media sources, the net is a free-for-all. Anyone can post anything. There’s no vetting, no editing, no source verification. So a lot of it is bullshit. And you’re one of those who doesn’t know how to fact-check and can’t tell the difference between fact and fiction. I almost feel sorry for you.

  32. 61

    ev spews:

    Harry Reid is the epitome of scumsuckers.
    Making shit up and throwing it out there.
    Even ABC is calling BS on this–
    This is from ABC-


    Here’s a totally unsubstantiated rumor: Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., said that he’s heard that Romney did not pay any taxes for 10 years. Democrats have criticized Romney for not releasing more than two years of his tax returns. But there has never been anything to suggest that Romney’s tax bill was zero.
    The presumptive GOP candidate has said he always paid all of the taxes he was required by law to pay. But he has said releasing more tax returns would likely not quiet critics.
    And so speculation has run rampant. In an interview with the Huffington Post , Reid said that a month ago someone who invested with Bain Capital, called his office to say that Romney, “didn’t pay any taxes for 10 years.”
    Romney is the former CEO of Bain Capital.
    “He didn’t pay taxes for 10 years! Now, do I know that that’s true? Well, I’m not certain,” said Reid. “But obviously he can’t release those tax returns. How would it look?

    Totally unsubstantiated rumor being thrown out there by the Senate Majority leader. How low can Harry go?? The Dems are in trouble.

  33. 62

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @57 I think the people who call you “unhinged” have gotten it right.

    Btw, a person can be bright and educated, and still be a lunatic.

  34. 64

    Serial Conservative spews:

    @ 61

    I wonder, when Joe Biden starts talking about Mitt’s magic underwear, if he’ll be holding his rosary beads while he’s talking.

  35. 65

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @59 Keep telling yourself your side is winning, all the way to Nov. 6, dude. I hope it makes you feel better for the moment, because that’s all it’s going to do for you.

  36. 66

    ev spews:

    49. Liberal Scientist is a Dirty Fucking Socialist Hippie spews:
    @17


    Romney pretty much has to win both Florida and Ohio.

    As roger said, that’s a lot of ‘if’s’.
    And Romney is not doing so well in either locale – see here for Quinnipiac likely voters in Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and here for more discussion.

    So, your beginning premise is entirely threatened and perhaps unattainable, at least at this point.

    Sheesh, all I said was Romney pretty much has to win Ohio and Florida. I think you are agreeing with me that’s the case..but are trying in your usual uppity fashion to say it’s not attainable. We’ll see. Do you have a crystal ball Lib Sci? Let’s get into this more 2 weeks after the Conventions and see if you still feel the same way.

  37. 68

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Of course, after these fuckers lose, they’ll accuse the Democrats of election fraud etc. because they’re incapable of admitting voters rejected their defective product.

  38. 69

    ev spews:

    I believe Romney should release his prior tax returns when Obama releases all his College transcripts and applications.
    You see, there is a Harry Reid type rumor that Obama applied as a Foreign Student to get preference. There are many other rumors swirling around this.
    So in the interest of full disclosure, let’s get it ALL on the table shall we??
    Why won’t Obama release his college transcripts and other shit?? Let’s see some of his college papers. Throw it all out for the voting public to see.

  39. 70

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @66 For now, it’s sufficient to say we’d rather be us than you. Your guy has a very steep hill to climb; and short of getting a personality transplant, it doesn’t look like he’ll make it.

  40. 71

    Serial Conservative spews:

    @ 65

    You miss the point. The point is you make broad pronouncements unsupported by content to which you link.

    You’re a cheerleader. You cut and paste and you don’t think.

    You’re HA’s P.J. Patches.

    Rujax has the HA Forrest Gump title sewn up.

  41. 72

    Puddybud spews:

    @57 I think the people who call you “unhinged” have gotten it right.

    Oh really crazy DUMB Wabbit? Telling the truth about DUMMOCRAPTS is unhinged?

    Well I’d rather be “called unhinged” with real friends all over the world, telling the truth about DUMMOCRAPTS vs. being stuck behind a computer screen calling people “unhinged” crying about my plight!

    See ya!

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

  42. 73

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @69 No, we’re going to be fair about this. If Obama releases his 2009 – 2011 tax returns, Romney should release his 2009 – 2011 tax retunrs. Parity. And we’re only asking for 3 years of tax returns. That’s not so hard, is it?

    Of course, we all know Romney can’t release his 2009 tax return, because what’s in it would destroy his campaign. (wink-wink)

    HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR

  43. 74

    Puddybud spews:

    they’ll accuse the Democrats of election fraud etc.

    The Truth will set you free Roger DUMB Wabbit

    Sowers was found guilty of voting in the names of Carrie Collins, Walter Howard, Sheena Shelton, Alberta Pickett, Draper Cotton and Eddie Davis. She was also convicted of voting in the names of four dead persons: James L. Young, Dora Price, Dorothy Harris, and David Ross.

    In the trial, forensic scientist Bo Scales testified that Sowers’s DNA was found on the inner seals of five envelopes containing absentee ballots

    Truth, it causes libtards to call you unhinged!

  44. 75

    Puddybud spews:

    @69 No, we’re going to be fair about this. If Obama releases his 2009 – 2011 tax returns, Romney should release his 2009 – 2011 tax retunrs. Parity. And we’re only asking for 3 years of tax returns. That’s not so hard, is it?

    Nope it’s Obummer’s college transcipts!

  45. 76

    ev spews:

    The Obama MisAdministration has yet another scandal on it’s hands that will piss off Americans..


    Employees at the obscure General Services Administration are quietly gobbling up 10 percent of the entire federal government’s bonus checks, a top Republican lawmaker revealed Wednesday, with the tab reaching a stunning $44 million last year.
    The $44 million amount is far more than was previously reported. As House lawmakers convened a hearing Wednesday digging deep into alleged mismanagement and waste at the embattled agency, Transportation Committee Chairman John Mica, R-Fla, called the latest revelations “absolutely outrageous.”
    Disclosing the results of what he described as a preliminary investigation, Mica said bonuses totaled $44 million, with many bonuses worth $50,000 apiece and some going to workers now under investigation. One employee, he said, received a $79,000 bonus, adding up to nearly $260,000 in total compensation.
    Lawmakers also said overtime payments were over the top. Mica cited one case where a worker with an $84,000 salary received $115,000 in overtime.
    “There’s something wrong at GSA when you have to pay an employee $115,000 in overtime,” he said.
    Though agency bonuses were worth 10 percent of all government bonuses, Mica said, GSA staff makes up just 1 percent of the total federal workforce.

  46. 79

    ev spews:

    Roger–
    Romney has released more tax info than he has to.
    You want more.
    We want the College Transcripts.

    Release all of it and let the voters decide.
    What is obama trying to hide about his college transcripts and applications? I think obama has lied. Get it out there and prove me wrong.
    It would be awesome if Team Romney has the Obama College shit and is just waiting to release it all. It would be the ultimate gut punch, wouldn’t it!

  47. 80

    ev spews:

    77. Roger Rabbit spews:

    @72 You wouldn’t know what truth is if it bit your balls.

    So let’s get those Obama College Transcripts out there please. The truth!

  48. 81

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    I can already visualize the Romney ads about GSA bonuses. Yeah, that’ll really wake people up! The world is crashing down all around them and wingnuts are worried about GSA bonuses!!! Wow, what a catch!!!

    Not exactly a “daisy ad” if you ask me.

  49. 82

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @75 Go fuck yourself. We’re asking for one simple little thing, Romney’s 2009 tax return. You and I both know he can’t release it, and we both know why. And our side is going to pound him with it until he does.

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  50. 84

    Puddybud spews:

    @82,

    Now there’s the unhinged Roger DUMB Wabbit everyone knows. Truth, it bites libtards hard!

  51. 85

    ev spews:

    Team Romney is turning up the heat about the obama college transcripts@!


    Marc Zell, the chief Romney supporter, demanded that Obama release his college transcripts. Sheldon Schorer, the chief Obama supporter, accused Romney of being a “cowboy” on foreign policy matters. And in one heated exchange, an audience member brought up Obama’s former pastor, Jeremiah Wright.
    “It goes to his character!” the man said.

    “There were good parts of Jeremiah Wright!” responded Schorer, a former chairman of Democrats Abroad in Israel.

    “Hitler was great economically, too!” the man replied.

    Schorer walked right into a sucker punch. What an idiot representing the obama regime.

  52. 86

    Puddybud spews:

    I can already visualize the Romney ads about GSA bonuses.

    Dude you are so DUMB. It’s another in the litany of scandals. The commercial will be very revealing.

  53. 87

    Serial Conservative spews:

    @ 81

    The world is crashing down all around them

    Wait a minute. I thought Obama put a plan into place and ‘It worked.’

    Is that not correct?

    http://thehill.com/video/campa.....ed-comment

    In RR’s world, things are crashing around us, and yet the administration has a firm grasp on re-election. All in only 25 minutes.

  54. 88

    ev spews:

    Here is a great article about why Obama’s college transcript’s matter.
    One of the key issues is how in the fuck Obama was able to transfer into Columbia after 2 years elsewhere. It’s virtually impossible because of Core Ciriculum requirements UNLESS you claim you are a FOREIGN STUDENT!

    http://www.nationalreview.com/.....-pollowitz

    This is going to get real sticky for Obama. Romney will release all his college stuff and 2 years of Taxes. Obama may release a bunch of tax returns but not his college stuff.
    Hmmmmmmmmmmmm

  55. 91

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @88 “Romney will release all his college stuff and 2 years of Taxes.”

    Yup. Romney will release everything except his 2009 tax return, because that’s where the IRS plea deal is buried.

  56. 94

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Conservative hatemongers aren’t totally stupid. They know how much lawyers cost, and they also know where to get free legal help.

  57. 95

    Liberal Scientist is a Dirty Fucking Socialist Hippie spews:

    turning up the heat about the obama college transcripts@!

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

    You think that’s going to win you the election, along with that massive post-convention Rmoney ‘bounce’?

    Your huffing glue, I think.

  58. 97

    Liberal Scientist is a Dirty Fucking Socialist Hippie spews:

    @89
    See where theocracy gets you?

    I have NO doubt that the theocracy envisioned by the Dominionists like Palin and Huckabee and Santorum and Fisher and Dobson and the like will feature stonings and book burning and likely witch burnings as central, enforced sacraments.

  59. 98

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @95 “Your huffing glue, I think.”

    This is a EUREKA! moment. You’ve just explained everything.

  60. 99

    ev spews:

    The latest birther conspiracy? That’s the line obama’s buttboy Jay Carney is using. What it means is obama don’t want to answer the question and provide the info.

    Here is another great article about all the implications of these documents obama is hiding..

    http://www.americanthinker.com.....atter.html

    McCain was too much of a wimp to go after this.
    Romney is playing to win.
    Romney is smart. He doesn’t believe in making shit up like obama and Harry Skeletor Reid.
    With Romney’s awesome business background, he has learned never to ask a question or raise an issue he doesn’t already know the answer to.
    The dummocrats, out of sheer desperation, just make shit up over & over again.

    Can’t wait to see those transcripts and how Barack Hussein Obama aka Barry Soterelo or whatever the fuck his alias was is able to tie what he claims is his birthplace with what he represented is his birthplace.
    Obama is a liar!
    He started screwing taxpayers and Americans long ago.

  61. 100

    Liberal Scientist is a Dirty Fucking Socialist Hippie spews:

    Totally unsubstantiated rumor being thrown out there by the Senate Majority leader. How low can Harry go?? The Dems are in trouble.

    Peggy Noonan: “It would be irresponsible NOT to speculate.”

  62. 101

    ev spews:

    Here is why the MSM is so irrelevant. Double standard beyond all comprehension..


    Back in May, Ann Romney, wife of Republican Presidential candidate Mitt Romney, wore a $990 Reed Krakoff silk shirt for a media appearance. The item of clothing set off a media firestorm, with the Romneys widely accused of being “out of touch” with average Americans.
    In particular, the Washington Post wrote that the $990 blouse “will not help her husband change those perceptions, no matter how many Laundromat photo ops are on the campaign’s itinerary.”
    Fast forward to last Friday, when First Lady Michelle Obama attended an Olympics reception for heads of state at Buckingham Palace, donning a J. Mendel cap sleeve jacket from the 2013 Resort collection.
    The price-tag? $6,800.
    This time, the Washington Post simply described the intricacies of the jacket and noted that Mrs. Obama has previously been criticized for “not dressing up enough for Queen Elizabeth II, so she stepped up her game.” No snide remarks, no outrage over the cost, no suggestion she was “out of touch.”
    “The media’s overabundant love affair with the Obamas has become increasingly blatant as this election draws nearer. Scrutinizing Mrs. Romney for a fashion choice that cost considerably less than that of the First Lady is yet another example of the media being purely sanctimonious,” former political publicist Angie Meyer told FoxNews.com. “The media continues to relish their roles as liberal bullies, and have relentlessly bullied the Romneys from the beginning. It is pure hypocrisy at its finest.”

    So obama wears a $6800 dress and it’s great.
    Romney wears a $990 blouse and the world is coming to an end.

  63. 102

    Liberal Scientist is a Dirty Fucking Socialist Hippie spews:

    That’s the line obama’s buttboy Jay Carney is using.

    What is up with the right-wing fascination with buttsex? Really. What is up with that…legislating against it, accusing opponents of engaging in it, vilifying people who enjoy it – you guys can’t stop thinking about it…

    Just leave it the fuck alone, and concentrate on substantial things. Sheesh.

  64. 103

    Deathfrogg spews:

    Lets take a look at what the GOP has succeeded in doing or attempted to do over the last thirty years.

    Eliminate overtime pay.
    Eliminate government funding for mental health services.
    Eliminate womens access to health care services.
    Eliminate or restrict citizens right to vote.
    Eliminate Medicare.
    Eliminate Social Security.
    Eliminate the Internal Revenue Service.
    Privatize Public Schools.
    Confine “free speech” to specified zones surrounded by mercenaries with automatic weapons.
    Privatize State Prisons and allow the companies involved to stack up fees on those incarcerated, adding arbitrary time extensions to sentences if they cannot pay those fees.
    Privatize public roadways.
    Privatize the Military at all levels.
    Privatize Law enforcement at all levels.
    Privatize the Postal Service.
    Exempt the highest income earners from paying taxes.
    Exempt State-level judges from conflict of interest issues.
    Closing Public Libraries.
    Legalize murder.
    Legalize “certain types” of rape.
    Legalize Bank fraud when committed by Banks.
    Legalize insurance fraud when committed by insurance companies.
    Legalize the Bucket-House industry.
    Legalize deliberate contamination of ground water.
    Legalize gambling.
    Outlaw protest.
    Outlaw photography.
    Outlaw recording conversations if they involve Government officials or Police officers.
    Outlaw Unions.
    Outlaw lawsuits by victims of financial frauds.
    Outlaw public inquires into political fundraising activities.
    Outlaw lawsuits against law enforcement officials.
    Outlaw lawsuits against pharmaceutical companies.
    Outlaw scientific investigation of organic pharmaceutical resources.

    The GOP has supported anti-union death squad activity in Honduras, Columbia, El Salvadore, Nicaragua, Mexico, Brazil, South Africa, Belize, Guatemala, Panama, Ecuador, Bolivia, Chile and Nigeria.

    Anything that I missed? Probably several other things. Oh well, you get the idea.

  65. 104

    Liberal Scientist is a Dirty Fucking Socialist Hippie spews:

    @101
    Ugh. More Fox mainlining, in bold, as usual, and without attribution…engaging in typical republican intellectual property theft.

    Ahem.

    So obama wears a $6800 dress and it’s great.
    Romney wears a $990 blouse and the world is coming to an end.

    Michelle Obama is the First Lady of the United States, and I would think that you would approve of her wearing high-end clothing.
    Ann Romney is fabulously wealthy and is trying to help her husband convince average people to vote for him, despite him reminding everyone of “the guy who fired them”.

    Different positions, different agendas, different circumstances…same old Fox false equivalences.

    There is a reason Fox viewers are dumber than everybody else.

  66. 105

    Deathfrogg spews:

    Oh, I did forget a few things.

    Eliminate child-labor laws.
    Eliminate workplace safety requirements.
    Eliminate construction inspections.
    Eliminate State-level enforcement of financial regulations.
    Eliminate business responsibility to clean up land contaminated by their businesses.
    Eliminate Public transportation.
    Eliminate psychological testing for law enforcement officials.
    Eliminate the requirement for warrants in law enforcement searches.
    Eliminate the United States Department of Agriculture.
    Eliminate food safety regulations.
    Eliminate Drug safety requirements.
    Eliminate the Food and Drug Administration.
    Eliminate the National Aeronautics and Space Administration.
    Eliminate the US Patent Office.
    Eliminate State-Level enforcement of business laws.
    Eliminate the Department of Education.
    Eliminate Tenure for University Professors.

    Etc. Etc. Etc.

    So far the GOP has entirely committed itself to running the country like the Mafia does their own organizations. And they are hiring those same Mafiosi to run the Government.

  67. 106

    Serial Conservative spews:

    @ 100

    What’s so awful about what Reid did is that it opens the door for even worse rumor-mongering.

    You can google Obama’s name along with, say, that of Vera Baker or Larry Sinclair if you care to know how bad this can get, should the standard become one of ‘I don’t know but I heard from a guy…….’.

  68. 107

    Liberal Scientist is a Dirty Fucking Socialist Hippie spews:

    ‘I don’t know but I heard from a guy…….’.

    It’s the Cokie Roberts rule, and it’s emblematic of the failure of the news media and the punditocracy. It’s ‘out there’.
    Like I posted above, Nooners epitomized this behavior, “It would be irresponsible NOT to speculate…”

    As your Mittens would say, “Sauce for the goose…”

  69. 108

    Puddybud spews:

    Ugh. More Fox mainlining, in bold, as usual, and without attribution

    If Ann Romney is out of touch with Americans struggling with a $900 blouse per Larry ODuncehead and the WaPo, then Michelle Obama is out of touch with the WORLD with her $6800 jacket.

  70. 109

    ev spews:

    100. Liberal Scientist is a Dirty Fucking Socialist Hippie spews:

    Totally unsubstantiated rumor being thrown out there by the Senate Majority leader. How low can Harry go?? The Dems are in trouble.

    Peggy Noonan: “It would be irresponsible NOT to speculate.”

    She’s talking about the press you idiot…not a sitting US Senator who is the leader of the Senate.
    For a guy who brags about his education, you sure are dumb.
    I think most of us regular folks would call Lib Sci an Educated Idiot!

  71. 110

    ev spews:

    102. Liberal Scientist is a Dirty Fucking Socialist Hippie spews:
    That’s the line obama’s buttboy Jay Carney is using.

    What is up with the right-wing fascination with buttsex?

    Have you actually looked at Jay Carney?
    And listened to him?
    Buttboy is being kind.

  72. 111

    ev spews:

    Yet another Dummocrat stepping gleefully into the Chick-Fil-A minefield. Another dope. You’ve got to read what she did. After she stepped into shit, then she tries to say she was only speaking as a citizen. This is hysterical!! From AP

    Christine Quinn (AP)

    A powerful New York politician claims she was just speaking as a private citizen when she tried to run Chick-fil-A out of town, but she used her official letterhead and even invoked her position as City Council speaker to apply pressure on the embattled chicken chain.
    New York City Council Speaker Christine Quinn, who has mayoral aspirations, sent a letter to New York University president John Sexton on Saturday asking the school to immediately end their contract with the fast food restaurant. The Atlanta-based company’s sole New York City outlet is in the school’s food court.
    “I write as the Speaker of the NYC Council, and on behalf of my family. NYC is a place where we celebrate diversity. We do not believe in denigrating others. We revel in the diversity of all our citizens and their families,” the letter begins.
    “Let me be clear ‐‐ I do not want establishments in my city that hold such discriminatory views,” Quinn, an open lesbian who recently married her longtime partner, also wrote in the letter. “We are a city that believes our diversity is our greatest strength and we will fight anything and anyone that runs counter to that.”
    ‘If we allow something like this, then the next letter might be considering someone’s view on abortion.’
    - -NYC Council member Peter Vallone
    “As such I urge you to sever your relationship with the Chick‐fil‐A establishment that exists on your campus,” the speaker added.
    The letter has drawn the ire from others on the council.
    “She can write to someone as a council member, but if she states that she is writing as the Speaker it can only be on behalf of the entire council. She has to have the unanimous vote of the council, and I don’t recall voting on this matter,” City Councilman Peter Vallone (D-Queens) told FoxNews.com. “A stance on gay marriage is in no way a forum to prevent someone form running a business in a community.
    “If we allow something like this, then the next letter might be considering someone’s view on abortion.”

    ‘If we allow something like this, then the next letter might be considering someone’s view on abortion.’
    - -NYC Council member Peter Vallone

    That’s precisely the point. Even a fellow Dummocrat knows the NYC clown stepped way across the line.
    This is getting better & better.
    Agree with Dummocrats politically or if you dare question, we will label you a hater and attack your business.
    Is this the New America Obama is promising us??

  73. 112

    Michael spews:

    @108
    If Ann Romney and Michelle Obama wore normal and normally priced clothing I’m sure members of the partisan media would find nasty things to say about them for doing that as well.

    This whole thing is stupid.

  74. 113

    ev spews:

    Another great article. Is Barry Soeterelo or whatever the fuck his alias is, beataing himself?
    He’s hooking his entire campaign on Class Warfare. I suppose there are enough gullible people that actually think the rhetoric will be matched by actual obama actions based on pure selfishness..it may work. But what kind of America will obama leave behind? It’s even more polarized now than 2008.

    Read this–
    http://online.wsj.com/article/.....94050.html

  75. 114

    ev spews:

    112. Michael spews:

    @108
    If Ann Romney and Michelle Obama wore normal and normally priced clothing I’m sure members of the partisan media would find nasty things to say about them for doing that as well.

    This whole thing is stupid

    Michael, I agree it’s stupid.
    But still question why the MSM choose to attack Romney for a $900 Blouse and praise Obama for a $6800 dress.
    Seems obviously like a double-standard and typical leftist MSM obama worship.

  76. 115

    ev spews:

    Who in the hell is Barry Soetoro??
    Finally got the spelling right.
    I never believed Barry was not born in Hawaii.
    Not for a second. There was no proof.

    But I do believe there are plenty of indications that Barry pretended to be foreign born to gain preferences at Occidental and Columbia.
    He probably didn’t think lying and cheating was a big deal back then. And apparently he still doesn’t.

    The Leftists will be screaming “birther” claims. But I’m NOT a birther. I believe Barry was born in Hawaii.
    This is a seperate issue.
    Did Barry lie to get college preferences and some of that free money??
    I believe he did and only those transcripts will clear the air.
    Is his lying on his college apps a big deal??
    Let the voters decide.

  77. 117

    Serial Conservative spews:

    Toll collectors union blames worker’s suicide on pay cuts

    http://www.nj.com/news/index.s.....t_280.html

    AFTER two pay reductions they still make $49K. Is it that tough to make change for a dollar? It’s not like they have to upsell fries with that.

    I think having to tell people you make change for a dollar as a living would be enough to drive one to suicide.

  78. 121

    Michael spews:

    @114
    Searching the web I found one post from WA PO, which has previously criticized the way Ms. Obama dressed, saying they liked M. Obama’s clothes and tons of right wing blogs all posting the exact same thing about media bias throughout the MSM. The same stuff you’ve been posting, btw.

    It’s all crap, including you.

  79. 123

    ev spews:

    121. Michael spews:

    @114
    Searching the web I found one post from WA PO, which has previously criticized the way Ms. Obama dressed, saying they liked M. Obama’s clothes and tons of right wing blogs all posting the exact same thing about media bias throughout the MSM. The same stuff you’ve been posting, btw.

    It’s all crap, including you

    Michael, Michael, Michael…you miss the point.
    It’s the arrogant pricks at NBC, CBS, & ABC plus all the MSM Newspapers who are guilty of obama worship.
    Your response is ludicrous, but I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt that your anger and concern about this election is clouding your ability to think & reason.

  80. 124

    ev spews:

    122. Michael spews:

    @120

    Obama’s on top of the pile in FL, PA, and OH right now.

    08/01/2012 AT 10:51 AM

    Agreed. But the election ain’t right now.
    Which is why that huge cash advantage and an interesting Republican Convention where the running mate is named ought to tighten things up substantially.
    Right now is all you can say when you have an incumbent obama under 50% approval and spending his cash warchest early to eke out a tiny margin of error lead.

    My guess is Romney is going to go all in right after the Republican Convention and drown out the Democrat Convention and the old fucker Clinton.

    Let’s discuss Right Now, right after that.
    OK?

  81. 125

    spews:

    117. Serial Conservative spews:

    Toll collectors union blames worker’s suicide on pay cuts

    http://www.nj.com/news/index.s.....t_280.html

    AFTER two pay reductions they still make $49K. Is it that tough to make change for a dollar? It’s not like they have to upsell fries with that.

    I think having to tell people you make change for a dollar as a living would be enough to drive one to suicide.

    08/01/2012 at 10:34 am

    Did the asshole motherfucker even READ the article?

    Let’s see what happens when this compassionate fuckwad’s life blows up.

    Another REAL christian.

  82. 126

    Serial Conservative spews:

    @ 120

    Most of the Obama/DNC money is Obama’s, and ad rates are lower for campaigns than they are for PACs.

    A lot of the Romney/RNC money is not under Romney’s direct control and ad rates will likely be higher for that money.

    I think Romney steamrolls as we move closer to the election, financially, but I don’t know for sure. Obama’s pretty persuasive when it comes to getting people to cough up for cash. If only he was as effective in governing competently.

    I don’t know that Obama can waste money running positive ads. What’s he got to say that’s positive? OBL is still dead? He’s not a gay marriage bigot, at least since June?

  83. 127

    Serial Conservative spews:

    @ 125

    Hey, Rujax, can you make change for a dollar? How about if the register doesn’t tell you how much to pay out?

    ‘s what I thought.

  84. 130

    Steve spews:

    “Just another day in the Democrat caucus.”

    Just another day in the Republican caucus.

    Rep. Hanna (R)

    “I have to say that I’m frustrated by how much we — I mean the Republican Party — are willing to give deferential treatment to our extremes in this moment in history,” he told The Post-Standard editorial board.

    “We render ourselves incapable of governing when all we do is take severe sides…” he said. “If all people do is go down there and join a team, and the team is invested in winning and you have something that looks very similar to the shirts and the skins, there’s not a lot of value there.”

    “I would say that the friends I have in the Democratic Party I find … much more congenial — a little less anger,” he said.

  85. 131

    Steve spews:

    “Gas prices are way down. President Obama deserves full credit.”

    They blamed the president for gas prices going up, so I’m sure Klowns like Bob and Ev will credit themselves for gas prices going down.

    Dumbfuck Klowns.

  86. 132

    Serial Conservative spews:

    @ 129

    Gas prices are not WAY down. They’re down to where they were in March, $3.50

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....27838.html.

    Here’s where they were the week Obama took office:

    Regular gasoline/gallon $1.84

    http://news.consumerreports.or.....-2009.html

    Glad you brought it up? ’cause I am pleased to give President Obama full credit for a near-doubling of gas prices despite a down economy and improving fuel mileage standards in vehicles.

    You go, Barack. Way to help the economy.

  87. 133

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @132 If OPEC doubles the price of oil and Obama doubles vehicle average fuel economy, the consumer is as well off as he was before, despite OPEC. I agree with you, “you go, Obama!”

  88. 135

    Serial Conservative spews:

    @ 133

    It’s only noon so I’m sure you’ll best it, but that’s the most stupid thing I’ve read today, RR.

    Will Obama part the seas before or after he doubles fuel efficiency? And will the doubling be before, or after, A123 goes tits up and GM discontinues the Volt?

  89. 136

    Serial Conservative spews:

    Looks like Obama’s on his own, at least for another month:

    Aug. 1, 2012, 2:53 p.m. EDT
    Fed frets but doesn’t offer more help for economy
    No action surprises analysts, disappoints Wall Street

    http://www.marketwatch.com/sto.....2012-08-01

    ‘s OK. Maybe he can get Hillary Clinton to muse that she heard once that Mitt Romney likes to diddle little boys. It might have been something that one of Bill’s trollops told him and he passed on to her. She can’t quite recall.

  90. 137

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    The GOP continues to divide our nation with senseless incendiary rhetoric:

    “A House Republican lawmaker likened the implementation of a new mandate that insurers offer coverage for contraceptive services to Pearl Harbor and the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks against the United States.”

    http://tinyurl.com/d8pvqvb

    Roger Rabbit Commentary: It might not be going overboard to suggest people like this be held responsible for inciting those who women’s health clincis and murder health care workers.

  91. 139

    Steve spews:

    “Regular gasoline/gallon $1.84″

    Few could afford even that after eight years of Bush and the economic collapse brought on by the failure of thirty years of Reaganomics.

    A crashed economy, huge job losses, stagnant wages, misbegotten war, huge deficits, failure to even try to kill Bin Laden. I can understand why you don’t want to run on your own dismal performance record, Bob. It’s because you’re not bringing anthing new, only a repeat of what brought us to that disaster in the first place. So it’s understandable that you can’t answer a very simple question. Name five reasons why a Romney presidency would be good for America.

    It’s OK, Bob. Your candidate can’t do it either.

  92. 140

    spews:

    They’re down to where they were in March, $3.50

    LOL! Let’s turn back the clock shall we??

    If gas is $4.50 in the Fall, it won’t really mean much if we’re ramping up production.

    Heh. Paychecks for production workers excluded.

    ‘Hey, if there’s nothing you can do about being raped, might as well lean back and try to enjoy it.’ You know. Adjust. ’cause it’s for Obama.

    So Obama is a rapist now?? Hmmmm. Shades of old paranoiac bigoted fears there Bob.

    Less gasoline used would be far better than less electricity used for most locales, per dollar subsidy, methinks.

    Oh and what’s the best way to bring about “less gasoline used”? Higher prices methinks.. Economics 101.

    $1.84 gas?? Let’s thank Bush for that shall we? Unfortunately the cost was losing jobs at a rate of 700,000 a month..

    Can’t blame that on Obama. Oh! I’m sure our local right wing degenerate contingent will find a way!

  93. 142

    spews:

    Right-leaning economist Tyler Cowen calls (weakly) for more monetary stimulus:

    the costs of inflation, within reasonable ranges, are not very high…

    Still, at the end of the day if we try further monetary expansion and it fails to stimulate employment, I don’t see a huge social cost to having a three or four percent rather than a two percent inflation rate.

    http://marginalrevolution.com/.....olicy.html

    Wow, that’s quite a contrast to the inflation fear-mongering from the right.

    Krugman made a related argument claiming that a higher inflation rate from monetary stimulus would force money off the sidelines. All good and well if more jobs are the result.

    However, we all know that since 2008 monetary stimulus has failed to produce substantial jobs and the inflation we’ve since seen in commodities (like oil, corn, wheat, metals, etc) has been damn near unbearable to lower income people. So if it’s tried again (unlikely) it had better produce jobs.

  94. 148

    Serial Conservative spews:

    @ 146

    Why is this so hard for you to see Bob??

    Perhaps it’s because I can read, and recognize the difference between profits at an all-time high, and profit margins at an all-time high.

    Did you notice that the title and the content of the article to which you linked did not match? Perhaps if you had you would not have looked like such an idiot.

    Someone earning more per dollar taken in but taking in far fewer dollars might be in a declining economic situation.

    Verstehen? Ja?

  95. 150

    ev spews:

    @132–
    That was pretty funny SC.
    The leftist loons actually believe Obama has brought gas prices down during his term.
    What imaginations these hapless fellows have.
    Too bad the facts get in the way of their wet dreams, huh.

    Americans will vote with their pocketbooks.
    Are you better of now than 4 years ago?
    Lets see now–
    Net Worth DOWN
    Cost of Living UP SUBSTANTIALLY.
    Unemployment STILL OVER 8% with another 14% Underemployed and many stopped looking.

    Not lookin’ too good for ol’ obama/soetoro is it.
    Now about those transcripts Barry Soetoro…
    Americans are doing worse than when you took office.
    You raised the National Debt another $6 TRILLION when you promised to lower it $5 TRILLION (quite a miss Barry, how’d you do on the math part of your SAT dumbass!)

    The country is more divided when you promised Hope & Change…a new Washington.

    I would have to conclude Barry Soetoro Obama that you were an abject failure..worse than Jimmy Carter. Now that’s bad.

    Gimmee those transcripts Barry!

  96. 152

    spews:

    148 – Yawwwn…

    To put that in perspective, said Lynn Reaser, the chief economist at Point Loma Nazarene University in San Diego, it’s important to note that companies were able to bring production back up to pre-recession levels without hiring any more workers.

    “We have now recovered all of the output lost in the recession, but we are still down by 7.5 million workers,” she said.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....40538.html

    Of course you blame this on Obama.

  97. 153

    spews:

    Obama has brought gas prices down during his term.

    Where did anyone say that klown???

    Gas prices are up all over the world except in countries with substantial oil reserves who subsidize their population’s profligate use. Pretty cheap way of buying off some of their discontent.

    You morons believe that a Republican would do any better in that regard?

  98. 155

    Serial Conservative spews:

    @ 152

    Of course you blame this on Obama.

    Actually, no I don’t. Similarly, I do not think it appropriate to blame, say, Bush for technological advances and gains in efficiency which permit companies to do more with less. This happens, no matter who occupies the White House.

    Here’s my point:

    Throughout history various aspects of industry have become or are becoming obsolete. Consider:

    Blacksmiths

    Typesetters

    Transcriptionists

    Robotics, just-in-time technology, speech recognition replace people. It happens. Will continue to happen.

    I think it is incumbent on workers in threatened industries to realize that they are threatened, that wanting it to be the way it was is irrelevant, and to do something to make themselves marketable in some other field.

    This isn’t Obama’s fault – obsolescence, I mean. There’s plenty else to blame on him. The forward march of techology isn’t his fault, nor was it Bush’s before him.

  99. 156

    spews:

    to do something to make themselves marketable in some other field.

    And of course the government to do NOTHING about this, (job training, education, other forms of assistance for workers) which would be “socialist”..

    Hmmm. And of course you don’t seem to complain when the government does SOMETHING like cut taxes, export/import bank, trade policies which in effect subsidize corporations to do stuff like offshore jobs and increase profit margins and boost executive compensation into unconscionable heights.

  100. 157

    Serial Conservative spews:

    @ 156

    Government does plenty already. There are larger numbers of people needing support right now but it’s not like programs did not exist, covered by government, employers, and unions.

    It’s not Obama’s job to find a job for a transcriptionist who loses hers because the dermatologist spent $1000 on a Dragon software program and terminated her. It’s just not.

    It IS his job to foster an environment conducive to economic growth.

    Meanwhile, it’s not as if that transcriptionist hasn’t heard about Dragon and speech recognition. Has she been expanding her skill set? Or did she wait to become unemployed, then turn to the government to cut her a check and find her a new job?

  101. 158

    Deathfrogg spews:

    @ 155

    I think it is incumbent on workers in threatened industries to realize that they are threatened, that wanting it to be the way it was is irrelevant, and to do something to make themselves marketable in some other field.

    Thats my issue. As a manual machinist with 25 years experience, my job is obsolete. I can set up and program CNC machines, but for some reason that would set me back nearly $10 per hour than I was making before I got fucked over by my last employer; My hours reduced to 32, at the same time my rent went up by 15%, and gasoline was touching on $5 a gallon 3 years ago, and my electric bill went up by 10% when city light got it’s regular increase. I lost my apartment when I couldn’t make the bills after seeing that hours reduction for over a year starting in June of 2007 and lasting for two years.

    So, out of work now for three years. Going to school to finish the degree I started 28 years ago, and trying to live on student loans. But, as the Legislature has seen fit to push for a nearly 400% increase in tuition rates since I last went to school, and NOBODY IS HIRING, I have to try to muddle through living on my rent plus a couple hundred in borrowed dollars every month.

    I’m 48 years old. I’ve been told by employers that they are looking for someone “with more current-level training”, (meaning younger). I’ve been told by the State Worksource that my credit rating, now completely in the shitter, is a primary factor in companies hiring practices. I’ve been told by employers that as I have been out of work for three years, that they cannot hire someone who is not already currently employed.

    Thats your modern economy. Fuck people over, rob them blind, raise the prices of everything and then accuse the unemployed of being lazy because they aren’t as rich as the fucking Koch Brothers.

    I don’t know where that imaginary price of gasoline mentioned upthread comes from, I haven’t seen gasoline under $3.00 a gallon in at least 10 years. Gasoline topping $4.00 a gallon was the impetus of my old boss cutting hours paid to 32 no matter how much I actually worked. He didn’t want to drive that hour plus commute twice a day more than he had to. Meanwhile, he’s doing work in his private shop at his home for cash and turning down jobs or blowing off returning phone calls from customers or, as far as I know, taking those written messages home and giving those customers discounts for bypassing his shop.

    So fuck you and your “leaner, more efficient” economy. The billionaires and hundred-millionairs get to keep even more money, and the only people they’re employing are their slaves in China and Mexico. All they are is a bunch of thieves.

  102. 159

    Serial Conservative spews:

    @ 155

    Thats your modern economy. Fuck people over, rob them blind, raise the prices of everything and then accuse the unemployed of being lazy because they aren’t as rich as the fucking Koch Brothers.

    No, that’s not. You described the economy above @ 155. Your work became somewhat less in demand, your age is a limiting factor, and despite your training your skills/classwork might be out of date. Employers cut back as demand for their services declines, and they learn to do more with less. Employers who used to manage employees now manage less and do manual labor more.

    None of that has anything to do with Kochs or the right wing. That’s just humankind, advancing technologically, sometimes in fits and starts, and some people are lost in the progress. The growing underground economy you refer to is not surprising given the difficulty in the current economy, and the challenges in hiring and then having to lay off. Easier to pay under the table, from both ends. Doesn’t help the state but it feeds people. I have a guy I pay $25 per hour to that does an awful lot of work for me. He can’t work as many hours as I need him to. I hand him 5-600 dollars each week and would prefer to pay him closer to a grand.

    Your situation is unfortunate. Does not make it the fault of the right.

  103. 160

    Serial Conservative spews:

    @ 158

    Deathfrogg:

    Off-topic but earlier this week you mentioned Israel using butterfly mines against the Palestinians. I searched under HRW and didn’t find it. I googled and didn’t find it.

    Link, please.

  104. 161

    Steve spews:

    PALIN: “Well, that calling for the boycott is a real — has a chilling effect on our 1st Amendment rights. And the owner of the Chick-Fil-A business had merely voiced his personal opinion about supporting traditional definition of marriage, one boy, one girl, falling in love, getting married. And having voiced support for kind of that cornerstone of all civilization and all religions since the beginning of time, he then basically getting crucified.”

    Um, Sarah, Mosaic Law allows polygamy. And slavery. The Bible also says that Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines. And it’s also a 1st amendment right for a person to call for a boycott.

  105. 162

    ev spews:

    158. Deathfrogg spews:

    I’m 48 years old. I’ve been told by employers that they are looking for someone “with more current-level training”, (meaning younger). I’ve been told by the State Worksource that my credit rating, now completely in the shitter, is a primary factor in companies hiring practices. I’ve been told by employers that as I have been out of work for three years, that they cannot hire someone who is not already currently employed.

    So since you brought it up, what degree are you finishing up?? Seems like you have a lot of time to post stuff here at HA. Why not focus on getting the needed training as a machinist so your skills are more marketable??
    I really don’t think your anger & jealousy of successful people is going to get you anywhere but worked up into an early grave.
    Instead of dissing rich folks, why not try to get a hunk of what they have by developing skills they desire?? I have a friend who was a machinist and then became a metal sculptor. He does amazing work for residential and business rich folks. He would be in the shitter without rich folks. Instead, he has 3 employees and makes triple what he did as an employee.

    You ain’t gonna get rich without taking risks Deathfrogg. You may not even get by.
    Sitting around whining about your plight on HA is probably the worst thing you could do.
    But you don’t see that, do you?
    It’s easier just to blame successful people for your plight. It would suck to be you.
    But the good news friend is there is hope.
    You just gotta yank your pathetic ass out of the dumper, get a new attitude and new skill set.
    Good luck.

  106. 163

    ev spews:

    Looks like Chick-Fil-A is doin’ just fine.
    http://www.foxnews.com/politic.....rotestors/

    I think it’s hilarious.
    The response from the left—
    Have some dudes tonguing each other in a restaurant…or a couple bull dikes slobberin’ on each other. That’s what you are proposing, right?? A same sex kiss-in??
    I’m sure obama will support this wholeheartedly.
    Maybe barry soetoro will give old joe biden a nobber at the local Chick-Fil-A to show his support?!!
    That would be priceless man.

  107. 164

    spews:

    My bad! It’s the Wyoming harlequin paying for some dumbass service!

    Hint: send an e-mail to Puddydope. He’ll save you a few bucks.

  108. 165

    Steve spews:

    You know what would be hilarious? To take a look at Ev’s transcripts. Our Klynical Klown is a grade school dropout, no doubt.

  109. 166

    ev spews:

    Maybe YLB and Steve gave lead a HorsesAss.org Kiss-in? They seem to be into each other and sympathetic to the cause of elected officials punishing private businesses for their religious beliefs.

    Wouldn’t that be somethin’
    Ol Steve and YLB makin’ out for the cause.
    Watch out YLB, my guess is Ol Steve will be slippin you the tongue…just to make a point against Chick-Fil-A.
    Stupid bastards.

  110. 167

    ev spews:

    the Leftist brigade has no sense of humor, especially about themselves.
    The real humorous thing is these bastards are actually serious SC.
    I’m not kiddin’ you.
    They actually believe the shit they post from other leftist blogs.
    It’s truly amazing.

  111. 168

    Steve spews:

    “the Leftist brigade has no sense of humor”

    And you do? Let’s take a look at what Klown humor is like.

    5. Mr. Cynical spews:
    Barack Obama got out of the shower and was drying off
    when he looked in the mirror and noticed he was white from the neck up to
    the top of his head.
    In sheer panic and fearing he was turning white and might have to start
    working for a living
    , he called his doctor and told him of his problem.
    The doctor advised him to come to his office immediately. After an
    examination, the doctor mixed a concoction of brown liquid, gave it to
    Barack, and told him to drink it all.
    Barack drank the concoction and replied, ‘That tasted like bullshit!’
    The doctor replied, ‘It was, you were a quart low.’
    07/08/2009 at 9:11 pm

    Yeah, you’re fucking hilarious, you racist asswipe Klown.

  112. 169

    Puddybud spews:

    Wow, went outside to work on garden and Puddy notices a whole bunch of diarrhea trails from the ylbuttspigot. As always nothing of significance was said!

    Man, it turned on the buttspigot wide open.

  113. 170

    Michael spews:

    Michael, Michael, Michael…you miss the point.
    It’s the arrogant pricks at NBC, CBS, & ABC plus all the MSM Newspapers who are guilty of obama worship.
    Your response is ludicrous, but I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt that your anger and concern about this election is clouding your ability to think & reason.

    I’m not concerned about the election and I’m laughing too hard to be angry. I’m not a big fan of Obama’s, he’s just the least bad option and I’m pretty sure the least bad option will win. I’m also confident that if Romney does somehow pull off a win most of the right will be disappointed in the “Massachusetts Moderate” that’s been elected.

    The culture war is over and my side won. The far right have marginalized themselves and are on their way out. The Republican that’s currently running for president isn’t anywhere close to being a member of the far right. Looking at what Romney’s actually done: he’s promoted alternative energy and shut coal plants, he’s pro-choice, he’s anti-gun, he’s raised taxes, and he passed universal healthcare for the state of MA. This is your guy! Your guy is closer to me politically than to you. Yer pretty much fucked.

    I couldn’t help but notice that you didn’t actually refute anything I said. There’s nothing to refute, this is nothing but a bunch of folks on the right trying to manufacture a controversy where one does not exist.

  114. 172

    Puddybud spews:

    The culture war is over and my side won. The far right have marginalized themselves and are on their way out.

    Buzzer sounds – Wrong answer! If that’s so Michael, then the DUMMOCRAPTS would still be in control of the House of Representatives.

  115. 173

    Puddybud spews:

    And of course the government to do NOTHING about this, (job training, education, other forms of assistance for workers) which would be “socialist”..

    Let’s see… the government doesn’t pay for my job training… my SVP does from his budget. And my group normally ain’t involved in the fed side unless I am called in by special request. Then the guvmint gets involved by P.O.

    Let’s see… the government didn’t pay for my education… the government doesn’t pay for my two sons education. I DID! The government doesn’t pay for their airline tickets to come home and visit or their car gas money at school either. Maybe the government pays for ylbuttspigot’s chilluns education since he doesn’t seem interested in acquiring a real job.

    Let’s see… the government didn’t pay for any assistance to workers I deal with. Their companies foot the bill or when I arrive they pay my company by P.O., not b.o. (butt offspray) from ylbuttspigot

    So another EPIC FAYLE ylbuttspigot!

  116. 174

    Puddybud spews:

    BTW ylbuttspigot,

    Two headhunters just contacted me! Do you have large systems (terabytes to petabytes) sys admin experience? See I am a nice guy. You really need a job.

    But you need a BS in Computer Science, Information Technology
    and
    Microsoft, Citrix training/certifications
    Experience with SAN replication
    Expertise in Microsoft clustering technologies, Active Directory and Citrix – Now I assume this is 2008 R2 (much simpler clustering)
    Experience with VMware ESX & VCenter 5
    Experience with HP Blade and Traditional Servers
    Experience with HP EVA storage environments
    Experience with EMC VNX storage environments
    Experience with Data Center Networking

    So you got the skillz or R U stuck here badmouthing conservatives on HA?

    Those are just some of my qualifications!
    Your call moron!

  117. 175

    Puddybud spews:

    Ahhh yes such libtard love.

    NOT!

    Progressives are the most vile human beings on the planet. If they don’t get their way

    Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!!!!

  118. 176

    Puddybud spews:

    More libtard progressive love.

    keep letting all those conservative crazy christian ass holes eat all the @ChickfilA they want and they’ll die off!

    Yes y’all are vile!

    Can’t compare this to anything from the right. OWS hate speech 101!

  119. 177

    ev spews:

    19 Democrats voted for the Republican Tax Plan.
    Can you say scared shitless?
    Or maybe they just agree it’s not the right time to raise taxes on anyone.
    Anyway, this clearly shows a significant fracture for the demmocrats..always good.

    The House approved the Republican plan Wednesday to extend all the Bush-era tax rates for a year, in another vote that served to put lawmakers on record over the issue but did not appear to bring Congress any closer to a deal.
    The GOP plan was approved on a 256-171 vote. Only one Republican, Rep. Timothy Johnson of Illinois, voted against the plan, while 19 Democrats voted to approve.

  120. 179

    Puddybud spews:

    Did you know the latest Florida Poll has an 8% higher DUMMOCRAPTS sample in it?

    PPP Poll (DUMMOCRAPTS) have it 48/47 Obummer!

    PPP’s first likely voters poll of Florida finds that it’s likely to take its customary place as one of the most closely contested states in the country this year. Barack Obama leads Mitt Romney by the slightest of margins, 48-47, but Romney would take a small advantage in the state if he added either Marco Rubio or Condoleezza Rice to his ticket.

    So why do HA libtard morons always look for the best poll? Because they need dope to lean on.

    Public Policy Polling (PPP) is an American polling firm based in Raleigh, North Carolina. PPP was founded in 2001 by businessman and Democratic pollster Dean Debnam, the firm’s current president and chief executive officer. – WikiPedia

  121. 180

    YLBigot says: US military deaths after 2008 arent really that important and deserve to be back page news spews:

    @174

    save your breath Puddy – nobody is gonna hire a lazy fuck like YLBigot.

    besides, they wouldnt let him get away with wasting numerous hours each day surfing the web…

    YLB:”I Live in the internet” – ya, no shit asshole.

  122. 181

    Steve spews:

    “sorry steve, you got the wrong guy”

    Odd, you remind of a dumbfuck goatfucker I knew. I wonder why that is, Ev.

    You say we have no sense of humor. So when are you going get around to displaying yours?

  123. 184

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    We’ve Seen This Waltz Before …

    “Republican … Mitt Romney’s proposal to slash individual income taxes by 20 percent across-the-board would … boost after-tax income by an average of 4.1 percent for those earning more than $1 million a year, while reducing by an average of 1.2 percent the after-tax income of individuals earning less than $200,000.

    “About two-thirds of the $1.1 trillion in revenues that the government foregoes annually because of tax breaks would have to be curbed to fund Romney’s tax cut, the analysts said. These tax breaks include popular ones such as the mortgage interest deduction, the break for employer-provided health insurance, and credits for low- and middle-income families.”

    http://www.cnbc.com/id/48444347

    Roger Rabbit Commentary: Here’s Romney’s long-awaited tax plan: You give up your mortgage deduction and pay taxes on your employer-provided health insurance, and the poor give up the earned income credit, so the rich can get more tax cuts. I’d say Romney has an empathy problem.