More hot air from the left. I wish the libs would do it. The democrat congress approval numbers would plummet from 16% to less than 10% and Bush’s popularity would skyrocket. The only thing hold GW down is the negative press on the Iraq war. Of course the dems will never impeach because they, like always, are pussies.
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Jane Balogh's Dogspews:
Daddy Love says:
Wingnuts: Shouldn’t Scooter Libby serve as much time as Paris Hilton?
No? REALLY?
Let’s meet half way and serve twice as long as Clinton. That would zero. Woof woof. Hey, at least Clinton will always be tarnished as the BJ preznint. hehehe
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Aaronspews:
And Clinton was convicted by a jury, and sentenced to what, for what?
There is very little decency left these days in the GOP. It is indeed ironic that Nixon now looks bipartisan, even in his days of disgrace.
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headless lucyspews:
re 2&3: You will need martial law to prop this government up.
But who will enforce it? I wouldn’t count on the military to help this administration.
Your dog-voter BS sank like a rock.
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Jane Balogh's Dogspews:
Good enough for government work
“State employees cashing in on their unions’ new clout” distorted state worker pay raises by ignoring the facts while playing up anti-worker partisan rhetoric. You focused on one nurse’s 20 percent pay raise while burying the fact (in “Governor: Raises will help state compete for workers”) that state-employed nurses are paid 42.5 percent less than private-sector nurses.
The state is just starting to narrow the pay gap and its workers will still lag the market-based salary by 20 percent. In any field, private or public, underpaying workers drives the best and brightest away and makes it impossible to replace them.
If we want government to work, we’ll need competent workers paid reasonable salaries. Thankfully, the state is taking a step in this direction.
— Sean Gross, Everett
The government will never be able to compete with the private sector. That is why universal healthcare paid by the guvmint is such a disaster. You pay 10 times as much for half as the healthcare.
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headless lucyspews:
This July 4th, let’s all put impeachment back on the table.
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headless lucyspews:
re 6: In countries with universal health care, 7% of GNP is expended on healthcare.
In the U.S (translation: “The Fatherland”), 15% of GNP is expended for healthcare — and it’s shitty, HMO healthcare.
50 million of our fellow citizens get nothing in the way of healthcare. This is a broken system.
And, your biggest point about the “private sector” is BS. The private sector relies almost entirely on public money — and we are not getting value for dollars spent.
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Jacekspews:
Olbermann displays the kind of journalistic courage that is utterly lacking in this country.
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michaelspews:
@7
Totally!
Let’s wait until the 5th and then impeach the fucker.
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janet sspews:
Headless, go to Canada and see how long you have to wait for routine procedures. Hope you don’t die first. Or go to Great Britain and see if you can find a doctor to do a kidney transplant.
Why should the best and brightest become doctors if they don’t have the motivation of being able to support their families? They can do lots of things, no need to go into a poor paying job, like doctors are in the third world.
I am happy with the health care I get. I bet your idol Jim McDermott is quite happy with his plan in the Congress. Neither are “universal health care”. And I don’t see Jim willing to give up his coverage for the greater good.
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YOS LIB BROspews:
11 – LIES. IF YOU REALLY NEED A PROCEDURE, YOU CAN GET IT.
IF DOCTORING IS YOUR VOCATION, YOU DO IT REGARDLESS. IN THE U.S., PEOPLE DO IT FOR MONEY. LITTLE WONDER SO MANY DOCTORS ARE HACKS/QUACKS AND GET SUED.
YOU’RE HAPPY? GREAT! 40 MILLION PLUS WHO HAVE NO INSURANCE? NOT SO HAPPY.
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Dan Ratherspews:
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You have to hand it to these donks, they are idealistic, but have no clue on how the real world works. The only people who work for free are the ones who dont need the money, or are not worth it. You donks dont even believe your own ideology. Just ask Al (tax everyone except me)Gore if you can look at his latest tax return. The donks already ruined public education, if America let them run healthcare then the deserve the pain.
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Roger Rabbitspews:
@3 Why should Clinton serve any time? He was never convicted of any crime. All he did was lie about getting a blowjob; he didn’t reveal the identity of a CIA NOC agent to our enemies and blow up an undercover operation that took 25 years to build. Comparing Scooter Libby to Bill Clinton is like saying John Gotti shouldn’t serve jail time because Mother Teresa didn’t serve jail time. You are an ass.
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XMAN MULLAHspews:
because ot the stupid link filter
TAKE 1:
12 YLB
You pathetic ignorant little lemming fuck.
READ you asshole.
WATCH AND LISTEN you asshole.
Then use your limited pathetic brain to fucking think for yourself instead of parroting the party line you miserable pathetic fucker.
London\’s Observer (March 3, 2002) carried a story saying that an \”unpublished report shows some patients are now having to wait more than eight months for treatment, during which time many of their cancers become incurable.\” Another story said, \”According to a World Health Organization report to be published later this year, around 10,000 British people die unnecessarily from cancer each year – three times as many as are killed on our roads.\”
The Observer (Dec. 16, 2001) also reported, \”A recent academic study showed National Health Service delays in bowel cancer treatment were so great that, in one in five cases, cancer which was curable at the time
The story is no better in Canada\’s national health-care system. The Vancouver, British Columbia-based Fraser Institute has a yearly publication titled, \”Waiting Your Turn.\” Its 2006 edition gives waiting times, by treatments, from a person\’s referral by a general practitioner to treatment by a specialist. The shortest waiting time was for oncology (4.9 weeks). The longest waiting time was for orthopedic surgery (40.3 weeks).
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A concerned Democratspews:
Swiss boat nips Kiwis by second to win America’s Cup
By Paul Logothetis
The Associated Press
VALENCIA, Spain — In the end, a four-year race for the America’s Cup came down to one second.
Alinghi won a thrilling photo finish over Team New Zealand today, squeaking across the finish line one second ahead to take the best-of-nine series 5-2.
“To win at the last second, it’s unbelievable,” Alinghi owner Ernesto Bertarelli said. “It’s done a lot for the sport. It’s got my heart.”
Just when you thought these lying assholes were gone they come up again. The swifties….. wait a minute…. I am so use to regurgitating the same tired,old bullshit I misread the article. Nevermind.
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XMAN MULLAHspews:
because of the stupid link filter
TAKE 5:
12 YLB
You pathetic ignorant little lemming fuck.
READ you asshole.
WATCH AND LISTEN you asshole.
Then use your limited pathetic brain to fucking think for yourself instead of parroting the party line you miserable pathetic fucker.
Just ask the nearly 1 million British patients on waiting lists for treatment. Or the 200,000 Britons currently waiting merely to get on NHS waiting lists.
Across Britain, patients wait years for routine — or even emergency — treatments. And many die while waiting.
Indeed, the NHS cancels around 100,000 operations because of shortages each year. In a growing number of communities, it is increasingly difficult for people to simply get an appointment with an NHS general practitioner for a regular checkup.
In Canada, dogs can get a hip replacement in under a week. Humans can wait two to three years.
SO GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS YOU PATHETIC LITTLE PARROT PRICK.
OR BETTER YET, TAKE YOUR ASS WITH YOUR BRAINLESS HEAD FIRMLY PLANTED IN IT RIGHT ON UP TO CANADA AND GET ON A FUCKING LIST TO WAIT FOR THEM TO REMOVE IT.
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Roger Rabbitspews:
@6 Lying wingnut pretending to be a dog says: “The government will never be able to compete with the private sector. That is why universal healthcare paid by the guvmint is such a disaster. You pay 10 times as much for half as the healthcare.”
Let’s fact-check.
Overhead costs in private health care system: 25%
Overhead costs in government-run Medicare program: 1%
You know companies suck when government is 25 times as efficient as they are. Another fucking failure of the free enterprise system.
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Roger Rabbitspews:
I’m not surprised when Republicans pretend to be independents or even Democrats … after all, the GOP brand name is badly tarnished these days. Hell, even their Senate candidate — Roadkill McGavick — wouldn’t disclose he was a Republican in his TV ads.
So I shouldn’t be surprised when a Republican pretends to be a dog, either … after all, being a dog is a big step up from being a Republican. These days, dogs have a much better reputation than Republicans do.
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Roger Rabbitspews:
@8 “In the U.S (translation: “The Fatherland”), 15% of GNP is expended for healthcare — and it’s shitty, HMO healthcare.”
Your figure is out of date. It’s 17% heading for 20%.
And a fourth of it goes to insurance companies whose only function is saying “no” to paying claims.
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Broadway Joespews:
Geez, Xdouchebag, having a hard time?
Recraplican traitor, you should really just go back to your mother’s basement and stay there. Your 15 minutes of stupidity are up.
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Roger Rabbitspews:
@13 If it’s OK for doctors to take as much money as they can from their patients, then why shouldn’t workers join unions and go on strike to take as much money as they can from their employers?
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Roger Rabbitspews:
Why should only doctors be greedy? Why shouldn’t government workers be greedy, too?
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proud leftistspews:
Two words, “President Cheney,” have always caused me to oppose Bush’s impeachment. At some point, however, standing up for what is right must outweigh practical considerations. The time has come. Let’s impeach the bastard. He cares less for this nation than he cares for the asswipe he throws into the toilet, presuming, of course, that he wipes his ass.
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Roger Rabbitspews:
What’s good for doctors is good for state employees.
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Roger Rabbitspews:
What’s good for doctors is good for teachers.
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Roger Rabbitspews:
@19 Eight months, eh? It’s been almost 6 years since 9/11 and some of the volunteers who dug through the rubble with their bare hands looking for survivors are still waiting for medical treatment for the cancers and other ailments they got from the toxic fumes that the lying Busheviks said didn’t exist. That’s 7 times as long as you have to wait for medical care in Britain. And you think OUR system is wonderful?
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Roger Rabbitspews:
Bushevik theory of controlling medical spending: If you make people wait 20 years for treatment, most of the demand goes away.
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XMAN MULLAHspews:
I guess it\’s too much to expect that you dumbfucks and rabbit fucks make the connection:
Doctors are MIA in Britain because… oh gee, there\’s no money in it…and even the most altruistic has to EAT
Some doctors that ARE in Britain… oh gee, are being arrested for being TERRORISTS.
\”Ayman al-Zawahri, al-Qaida\’s No. 2. George Habash of the PLO. Mahmoud Zahar, the Hamas strongman in Gaza. All trained as doctors – as did at least seven suspects in the failed bomb attacks in Britain.\”
God it must suck having to defend today’s Republicons….. I hear their new slogan is “Leave No Crime Uncommitted” or something.
Hey cons, name one crime Bush has not committed….
I can’t wait till tomorrow when tobacco lobbyist lazy Senator Thompson announces, and then reality will then tear him to shreds, just like Rudi dirtbag, and John more bodies the better McKane, and I got $$$$$$ Romney.
Anyone voting for a Republicon President after 8 years of Bush should have their hands chopped off.
Republicans are America’s worst enemy. Osama could only dream of hurting America as much as Bush, and his co-conspirators have.
The Dems have serious problems, and have too much corporate cash too, but at least they are not the mafia….
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YOS LIB BROspews:
XMAN – YOU’RE SUFFERING FROM MOORE DERANGEMENT SYNDROME. NOW THAT PARTICULAR DISEASE WOULD TAKE A LONG TIME TO TREAT IN BRITAIN BECAUSE IT’S AN “ELECTIVE” FORM OF BRAIN DAMAGE.
I’VE HEARD AMERICAN EXPATS ON THE RADIO WHO LIVE IN BRITAIN HAVE NO TROUBLE GETTING THE CARE THEY NEED. A WOMAN WENT TO THE DOCTOR IN BRITAIN TO GET A REFILL ON HER BIRTH CONTROL AND THE DOCTOR WAS SHOCKED AT WHAT HER AMERICAN DOCTOR HAD PRESCRIBED TO HER. THE BRIT DOC HADN’T PRESCRIBED THAT PILL FOR 15 FUCKING YEARS!
IN THE BRITTISH SYSTEM, THE INCENTIVE IS TO PROVIDE PREVENTIVE, COST-EFFECTIVE CARE NOT BILLING FOR OFFICE VISITS!
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YOS LIB BROspews:
XMAN (OR IS IT MTR THE BRAINDAMAGED BET-WELSHER): STOP QUOTING “OPINION” FROM RIGHT WINGERS. TRY TO DIG UP SOME LINKS THAT ARE HALFWAY BALANCED NEXT TIME.
GULLIBLE MORON.
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Broadway Joespews:
YLB, you have to forgive Xdouchebag. Can’t you see that he has Wingnut Disorder, a genetically inherited disease that causes random outbursts of asinine stupidity that disguise extreme naivete? It’s sort of a political Tourette’s Syndrome, y’know? It is treatable however, and I think that he could get the help he needs in either Steilacoom or Medical Lake.
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Harry Tuttlespews:
As he intended, though, our Tourette affected, deranged visitor hijacked the thread, thus stopping the discussion of the demand in Keith Oblermann’s editorial — that both Bush and Cheney resign.
His mission accomplished, much better than the accomplishment of his incompetent President of the Republican Party.
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RightEqualsStupidspews:
This exchange between me and Proud Leftist is so good, I am going to post it in every thread on HA from now on. It destroys the Publicans’ stupid talking points – period.
“I’m working really hard to understand how President Bill Clinton’s actions act as justifcation for the righties. Read this fuckwads.
If your lame ass argument is that Bill Clinton was a bad President – which is what you say – and if your argument now is that the AWOL coward GW Bush is in someway comparable to Bill Clinton, what you are actually saying is that GW Bush is NO BETTER THAN CLINTON.
Does it hurt to be that stupid? I really want to know.
proud leftist says:
RES @ 18
You’ve hit it on the nose. The rightwing fringefucks consider Clinton to be the personification of evil–indeed, he is the devil incarnate in their twisted little minds. Nonetheless, their justification for all of the Bushites’ sins is, always, “well, Clinton did it, too.” Methinks they never studied logic.”
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Harry Tuttlespews:
Clinton was a hell of a lot better president for the righties than he was for me.
George W./the Dick must surely have broken the mold, though I won’t say they can’t come up with a worse executive. The righties are always up to a challenge.
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Harry Tuttlespews:
One thing relevant to this thread was spoken by Michael Moore on the Daily Show. Let’s never buy into the frame that there is no money/it would break the budget.
I want a single-payer, universal health care plan. If a trillion dollars can be pissed away in Iraq, I can have a reasonable health care system. If the pols are looking for the money, they can zip their pants.
First, let’s get rid of Bush and Cheney.
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My Left Footspews:
Is it just me or does XMAN MULLAH posts have the same strange forward slash marks as those old posts of Auntie-liberal?
Welcome back in your new incarnation, Auntie.
Fuck you!
And Olbermann has is right. He begged Bush and Dick to resign last night, to fall on the sword in a fit of patriotism. He made Dick Nixon out to be an American hero. Imagine that. An avowed, respected liberal holding Richard M. Nixon up as an example of a true patriot.
Amazing. Simply amazing.
And all of it true.
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Heathen Sinnerspews:
Hail Hitler.
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Georgespews:
Thats why I don’t watch MSNBC
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Puddybud Who Left the Reservationspews:
Happy 4th Moonbat!s
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Yer Killin Mespews:
I’m not convinced that Mullet is the reincarnation of the late, unlamented Anti Liberal — the person who, by being so hateful, arrogant, ignorant and bitter summed up by its own admission exactly what the opposite of a liberal is. The tone of the posts is somewhat different. I’m at a loss to explain the quote marks, though. They’re clearly meant to “escape” punctuation so they won’t be treated as special characters. Maybe there’s a special kind of wingnut software that does that.
Personally, I think Fuh Q is Auntie’s current incarnation, but I have not yet run an extensive analysis. It’s not like I pay a lot of attention to anything they post anyway. Can’t think of any good reason why I should, since they only come here to hijack threads.
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robinspews:
Keith’s why I watch MSNBC!!!!
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Yer Killin Mespews:
Now, with that out of the way . . .
Keith is spot on. It goes back to the question that I posed yesterday: Are we a nation under rule of law, or under rule of men? Currently we are a nation under rule of men, or more precisely one man. In order to restore some semblance of rule of law to our country, that man has to be removed from office.
Oh, and so does his sock puppet Bush.
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YOS LIB BROspews:
HAPPY FOURTH OF JULY EVERYBODY.
I’D USUALLY WISH A HAPPY FOURTH EVEN TO THE WINGNUTS BUT HOW CAN I?
HOW CAN I WISH A HAPPY FOURTH TOWARDS THOSE WHO TURN A BLIND EYE TOWARDS THE DUMBYA ADMINISTRATION’S SHREDDING OF THE CONSTITUTION? WHO CHEERED AS 3500 AMERICANS DIED IN IRAQ? WHO HIGH FIVED AS THOUSANDS CAME HOME WITH MISSING BODY PARTS AND PTSD DAMAGED MINDS? WHO GET A ROSY GLOW WHEN THEY HEAR A STORY OF TORTURE AT GITMO OR THE SECRET TORTURE PRISONS (AN AMERICAN GULAG)? WHO STICK THEIR HEADS IN THE SAND AT THE MASSIVE DEBT THAT WILL BE PASSED TO FUTURE GENERATIONS?
I CAN’T WISH A HAPPY FOURTH TO SUCH PEOPLE.
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Markspews:
Keith Olberman – yeah there’s a serious credible journalist…NOT. His stupid and immature sound effects and “worst person in the world” schtick is something I would expect from talk radio than from a respectable journalist.
Keith – Go back to Sportscenter where you belong. YOU ARE NOT A SERIOUS JOURNALIST!!!!
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Don Joespews:
Mark,
Thank you for your astounding rebuttal of Olberman’s argument–astoundingly inane, that is.
You can’t rebut the argument, so you trash the one who constructed it. Thank you for playing, but you lose.
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Markspews:
Don Joe says:
Mark,
Thank you for your astounding rebuttal of Olberman’s argument–astoundingly inane, that is.
You can’t rebut the argument, so you trash the one who constructed it. Thank you for playing, but you lose.
I don’t care what Olberman says in this video, I didn’t even listen. The 3-4 times I’ve watched his show has left me perplexed why MSNBC would have a non journalist like Olberman on their network. And you wonder why Fox has been kicking MSNBC’s ass in the ratings for years?
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Yer Killin Mespews:
So, by your bit of pretzel logic, it would be logical to wonder why a failed owner of a baseball team, failed energy investor, failed National Guard pilot and failed student would be President of the United States, right?
You’re right, I scratch my head about that one.
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Yer Killin Mespews:
Check your ratings numbers. Last I heard Fox was losing viewers and MSNBC was gaining.
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Daddy Lovespews:
From Andrew Sullivan:
“The bottom line for Americans is this: George Bush’s friends do not go to jail. Your friends do.”
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Yer Killin Mespews:
Well, after I submitted that last post I figured I’d better go look to make sure I remembered right. Sure enough, MSNBC’s growth is outstripping CNN and Fox. You can read the article here for yourself.
And what, you might ask yourself, is fueling MSNBC’s 50% ratings growth in the “all ages” demographic over the last two reporting quarters? Ah, but I’m sure you already know the answer.
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Don Joespews:
Mark,
In other words, you don’t know any of the relevant facts, but you’re going to give us your opinion anyway.
Gotta love the intellectual rigor exhibited by your average wingnut.
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chadtspews:
Mark is just here to entertain us and illustrate the mental acuity of the true-religion & right-wing-magic-show performers.
I’m sure we’re all very impressed.
It’s a very slow day anyway.
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headless lucyspews:
re 11: Janet S: Go watch Sicko and get your facts straight.
Here’s a brain teaser for you, Janet: How long does an uninsured American wait for an ordinary procedure? And, how long does the average HMO insured American wait?
Answer: They both wait forever, except the HMO covered American loses his “coverage” if he can’t can’t pay the premiums.
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jsa on commercial drivespews:
Hello again from beeeyootiful sunny Vancouver, BC!
I’m looking forward to seeing all the cool kids in Seattle when I return back to the Land of the Free in about one week’s time.
Meanwhile, on this balmy Fourth of July, remember and watch closely for a few important pieces of sleight-of-hand that you may see when righty trolls talk about the Evil Canadian Single-Payer Plan.
1) Most of the “evidence” is anecdotal in nature. Yes, there are really long waits if you’re stuck in rural Canada and need a hip replacement. Doctors are highly-skilled, highly-paid professionals here as well. They can live in Vancouver where there are good schools, cultural activities, fantastic shopping and restaurants, sun, surf, mountains, etc. or they can live in Smithers, BC where there’s cheap land and trees.
This is also a problem in the US. The community hospital systems that provide secondary care in the rural US are unnerving to be in, and have documented problems with the level of care they provide, but we don’t have a right-wing noise machine that points to those and says “Look! The system is broken!”
2) Canada is not a totalitarian state where the poor oppressed citizens cower in fear of their government. It is a democracy, rather like the one you live in. A preponderance of French-speakers and urban dwellers pulls the political dialog somewhat to the left. The currently ruling (sort of) Conservative government of the Right Honourable Stephen Harper would LOVE to introduce privatized health care here. There is no political support for this among voters. It is considered a lunatic fringe position.
3) Most importantly, any “single-payer” system in the US almost certainly not be a Canadian-style system. The Canadian Medicare system is built on the idea that the US’s high-tech medical infrastructure is right next door, and people needing high-value medical care can be sent there. This is by design, and was not an oversight or an accident.
Most countries with state-funded health care have a two-tier system. The state provides primary care and catastrophic insurance. So-called “discretionary” care can be provided by the private sector on a fee basis.
Oh, shit! If people can PAY for first-tier care, that destroys the entire righty troll argument. My bad! Sorry.
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Yer Killin Mespews:
60
Now you’ve done it!
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jsa on commercial drivespews:
YKM @ 61:
* sniff *
I’m sorry.
Mostly I’m sorry I typed in a hurry and my editing is well below par.
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My Left Footspews:
Mark at 50:
Nice ad hominem attack. Would suggest you use “the Google” and find out just what K.O’s qualifications as a journalist are. You have a habit of not addressing the issue and attacking the messenger. Would this be because you have no meaningful rebuttal? Of course it does.
Let me know what you find out about K.O’s education and experience. Let me know when you can speak and write as eloquently as he does.
You’ve got a ways to go. I’ll be here when you are ready.
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EvergreenRailfanspews:
I enjoy listening to the podcast of Olberman every day, and sometimes I do get to watch the whole show. He does his best to tell what we need to know, and not what Fox News thinks we need to know. He drives his former employers at the Fox organization crazy. I believe Olbermann once did sports reports for Fox Sports. He still does a little sports coverage for ESPN Radio(Big Show with Dan Patrick and Keith Olbermann, but they say there is a big announcement coming for the show).
The one person at FOX that he does drive crazy is Bill O’Reilly, who when he attacks MSNBC, only mentions radical elements at MSNBC, but not by name. I remember it provoked Scarborough into saying O’Reilly is not a Conservative. Well, Scarborough is a former Conservative Republican Congressmember from Florida.
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My Left Footspews:
JSA @ 60:
Their heads are now spinning and spewing that weird green stuff. Can’t wait for them to argue that the problem with health care is/was Bill Clinton’s blow job. I mean it is the cause of all of our nation’s problems, right?
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EvergreenRailfanspews:
I just got back from Washington D.C, and although I was there to see a few of the Smithsonian Museums, the Capitol, and a few other buildings, as well as what can be considered a busfan and railfan’s holiday, I also went to see the monuments on the Mall. I got most of them, including the Washington, WWII, D.C WWI Monument(to all D.C. Residents who fought in WWI), Vietnam, Lincoln, Korea, FDR, and Jefferson. Each one of those are important to American History. Washington set the standard, by refusing to become a KING, even though he was popular and the people would have gone along with it. Jefferson helped draft a revolutionary document signed in Philadelphia on July 4, 1776, and despite the contradiction of being a slave owner, he was the one that laid the foundation for the Freedoms we take for granted. D.C. WWI. National WWII Memorial, Korea, and Vietnam honors those who fought to preserve democracy, the Republic, and the rule of law. FDR Monument honors the man who might have saved the American system when people might have been willing to accept both Fascism and or Communisim just to get away from the misery of the Great Depression. The Lincoln Memorial honors the man who election may have been responsible for the Civil War, but brought the country back from Civil War. Perhaps the current administration should take that tour one of these days.
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Yer Killin Mespews:
65
If it all comes down to Iraq with us liberals, it all comes down to the Clenis with whackjob wingnuts. I know which one has more validity, insofar as either sentiment has any merit at all.
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Yer Killin Mespews:
66
Unfortunately the neoconservatives have a much different view of history than we do. It’s as if they were looking at it through a funhouse mirror. They see the same things you and I do, but they see it all warped and distorted.
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EvergreenRailfanspews:
60
Plus Harper has had to fire a few Conservatives for not towing the party line, especially since one voted against the budget, which down here is no big deal, the Government just gets shut down. In Canada, failure to pass a budget is an automatic no-confidence vote, and means early elections.
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jsa on commercial drivespews:
EvergreenRailfan @ 69:
There’s a lot going on there, but it’s too much for me to summarize, and I generally don’t comment on Canadian politics. If I ever decide to take residency up here (unlikely), I’ll start forming a real opinion.
Suffice it to say that Harper’s only solace as the leader of an unpopular government is that all of his opponents (the Liberals, Greens and NDP) are equally unpopular. The day anyone thinks that they can actually “win” an election, you’ll see a no-confidence motion called the next day.
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Brandon Wolnerspews:
Gotta love the pics of olby wearing the pic of o’rielly as a mask. Anything to increase his ratings.
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Holy Shitspews:
Meant to mention this days ago, but BUGS RABBIT KEPT GETTING IN THE WAY!!!
A quick spew review of Tavis Smiley’s “debate” with the Goldycrats has this: Chris Dodd said that the United States should march into Darfur, if possible with the UN or NATO, unilaterally if necessary. Amen, said Hillary. Amen, said Richardson. Amen, said the rest of the leftist Amen Corner.
(Amazing how secular fundamentalist Goldycrats get religion whenever they get close to a microphone or an African Methodist-Episcopal church. Remember how Gore, campaigning from the pulpit, started sounding like a poor black child who had made good at gangsta rap? Remember Hillary trying to sound … I done come too farrrr … like a poor black preacher or ghetto poet? Remember Bill waving a big black Baptist Bible in the breeze whenever he got caught dropping DNA on the rug or in the pantry sink? Makes people like me and Julia Sweeney really nervous about theocracy and the Religios Left.)
And I’m nervous about left-wing unilateral imperialist enthusiasms. First the Balkans, now Darfur. Like, what’s with you people?
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GBSspews:
You know Keith Olbermann has done a superb job in reporting the facts when all the anti-American conservatives can do is to attack Keith’s character instead of the substance of his commentary.
Keith Olbermann: A real American Hero and the Edward R. Murrow of our times.
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Markspews:
GBS says:
You know Keith Olbermann has done a superb job in reporting the facts when all the anti-American conservatives can do is to attack Keith’s character instead of the substance of his commentary.
Keith Olbermann: A real American Hero and the Edward R. Murrow of our times.
LOL!!!! Now that’s original. Perhaps if he was still on Sportscenter doing his “from way downtown…..BANG!!!!” or his “en fuego” line to describe Tiger Woods on the back 9 of Augusta.
In THAT role, he was great. As a “news journalist”, its hard to take him seriously. The niche he has carved out that panders to the far left does not in any way shape or form make him worthy of the title of “American hero” or the Edward R. Murrow of our time.
Here’s where GBS’s level of immature arrogance reaches new uncharted territory…..
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GBSspews:
Mark @ 74:
You did exactly what I said in my opening comment; instead of attacking his “facts” you engage in personal destruction.
Keith is right regardless of your opinions of his qualifications. Even if this were the first and only time Keith has made a point, he’s right.
If you disagree with the facts in the commentary he laid out, then specifically tell us where he is wrong and why.
You can’t and you won’t. At least not honestly.
Which brings me to my final point: If reporting the truth means pandering to the far left, then what does that say for you and your news sources?
Good night and good luck.
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John425spews:
Keith Olbermannequin is an Ann Coulter wannabe- he’ll even wear the little black dress.
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Yer Killin Mespews:
Ha ha ha ha Ha ha ha ha HA HA HA HA chuckle wheeze guffaw *snort*
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GBSspews:
Where’s the substantive debate from the right regarding Keith’s special comment?
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Markspews:
GBS says:
Where’s the substantive debate from the right regarding Keith’s special comment?
For the exact same reasons you don’t listen to Rush Limbaugh (I might add neither do I), I don’t listen to Sportscenter Keith…..other than the 3-4 times it took me to know all I need to know about what a great “journalist” he is.
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goldy milhous nixonspews:
More holy shit: This week’s U Dub Daily says that “(C)hurches ought to stand back and let the debate (over abortion, gay marriage, …) unfold without influencing the fight. Just as governments respect the ever-wise separation of church and state, so should all religion.”
Oh dear. I just hate it when leftists forget their meds and start to drool and spew. And when they lie.
The Dub writer doesn’t want “all religion” separated from our public lives, because that would be a repudiation of born-again blacks (pasty white secular fundamentalist Democrats who get religion and who get black genes when they get near a captive constituency of black voters stuck to their pews on Sunday mornings.
It would also be a repudiation of civil rights (the REVEREND Martin luther King, the Reverend Ralph David Abernathy, the Reverend Jesse Jackson, the Reverend Al Sharpton) and of the religious fanatics who turned Christendom against slavery.
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Good news. NPR reports this morning that Biden’s presidential campaign in 1988 was derailed only because he “borrowed” speeches from a British MP. The uninformed and the unfair back then said that Biden had stolen speeches from a British MP. Now we know better. I’m so ashamed of thinking he was a sniveling, turd-eating, goveling, sneaking little thief. Joe is not a crook. (Neither a borrower nor a lender be? Forget about it. Joltin Joe’s good to go.)
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Bad news: NPR reports this morning that AIDS is way down, or was flagrantly over-reported. Same thing happened in NYC in the early 1990s, and gays pretty much rioted in protest … seems that a decline in the disease du jour would probably have led to a decline in gay funding. (And you & Dan Savage thought the problem was that mean President Reagan caused AIDS. Apparently the problem was that he didn’t cause enough.)
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Markspews:
goldy milhous nixon says:
More holy shit: This week’s U Dub Daily says that “(C)hurches ought to stand back and let the debate (over abortion, gay marriage, …) unfold without influencing the fight. Just as governments respect the ever-wise separation of church and state, so should all religion.”
The UW Daily, now there’s an objective, respectable publication. Exactly why we have a 1st Amendment to the Constitution – to protect the speech of people like the ignoramus filled UW Daily, and to protect the right of the people to worship as they see fit AND to be engaged in the political process just like anyone else.
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GBSspews:
Mark @ 79 wrote:
“GBS says:
Where’s the substantive debate from the right regarding Keith’s special comment?
For the exact same reasons you don’t listen to Rush Limbaugh (I might add neither do I), I don’t listen to Sportscenter Keith…..other than the 3-4 times it took me to know all I need to know about what a great “journalist” he is.”
No body gives a shit about your viewing habits! WE know you don’t like him as a “journalist.” OK, we get it.
The question you continue to avoid, however, is where is Keith wrong?
Can you manage to answer that simple question?
No. Because to do so would be to admit Bush is a crimnal.
Another TJ spews:
Keith speaks for real Americans.
Jane Balogh's Dog spews:
More hot air from the left. I wish the libs would do it. The democrat congress approval numbers would plummet from 16% to less than 10% and Bush’s popularity would skyrocket. The only thing hold GW down is the negative press on the Iraq war. Of course the dems will never impeach because they, like always, are pussies.
Jane Balogh's Dog spews:
Daddy Love says:
Wingnuts: Shouldn’t Scooter Libby serve as much time as Paris Hilton?
No? REALLY?
Let’s meet half way and serve twice as long as Clinton. That would zero. Woof woof. Hey, at least Clinton will always be tarnished as the BJ preznint. hehehe
Aaron spews:
And Clinton was convicted by a jury, and sentenced to what, for what?
There is very little decency left these days in the GOP. It is indeed ironic that Nixon now looks bipartisan, even in his days of disgrace.
headless lucy spews:
re 2&3: You will need martial law to prop this government up.
But who will enforce it? I wouldn’t count on the military to help this administration.
Your dog-voter BS sank like a rock.
Jane Balogh's Dog spews:
Good enough for government work
“State employees cashing in on their unions’ new clout” distorted state worker pay raises by ignoring the facts while playing up anti-worker partisan rhetoric. You focused on one nurse’s 20 percent pay raise while burying the fact (in “Governor: Raises will help state compete for workers”) that state-employed nurses are paid 42.5 percent less than private-sector nurses.
The state is just starting to narrow the pay gap and its workers will still lag the market-based salary by 20 percent. In any field, private or public, underpaying workers drives the best and brightest away and makes it impossible to replace them.
If we want government to work, we’ll need competent workers paid reasonable salaries. Thankfully, the state is taking a step in this direction.
— Sean Gross, Everett
The government will never be able to compete with the private sector. That is why universal healthcare paid by the guvmint is such a disaster. You pay 10 times as much for half as the healthcare.
headless lucy spews:
This July 4th, let’s all put impeachment back on the table.
headless lucy spews:
re 6: In countries with universal health care, 7% of GNP is expended on healthcare.
In the U.S (translation: “The Fatherland”), 15% of GNP is expended for healthcare — and it’s shitty, HMO healthcare.
50 million of our fellow citizens get nothing in the way of healthcare. This is a broken system.
And, your biggest point about the “private sector” is BS. The private sector relies almost entirely on public money — and we are not getting value for dollars spent.
Jacek spews:
Olbermann displays the kind of journalistic courage that is utterly lacking in this country.
michael spews:
@7
Totally!
Let’s wait until the 5th and then impeach the fucker.
janet s spews:
Headless, go to Canada and see how long you have to wait for routine procedures. Hope you don’t die first. Or go to Great Britain and see if you can find a doctor to do a kidney transplant.
Why should the best and brightest become doctors if they don’t have the motivation of being able to support their families? They can do lots of things, no need to go into a poor paying job, like doctors are in the third world.
I am happy with the health care I get. I bet your idol Jim McDermott is quite happy with his plan in the Congress. Neither are “universal health care”. And I don’t see Jim willing to give up his coverage for the greater good.
YOS LIB BRO spews:
11 – LIES. IF YOU REALLY NEED A PROCEDURE, YOU CAN GET IT.
IF DOCTORING IS YOUR VOCATION, YOU DO IT REGARDLESS. IN THE U.S., PEOPLE DO IT FOR MONEY. LITTLE WONDER SO MANY DOCTORS ARE HACKS/QUACKS AND GET SUED.
YOU’RE HAPPY? GREAT! 40 MILLION PLUS WHO HAVE NO INSURANCE? NOT SO HAPPY.
Dan Rather spews:
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You have to hand it to these donks, they are idealistic, but have no clue on how the real world works. The only people who work for free are the ones who dont need the money, or are not worth it. You donks dont even believe your own ideology. Just ask Al (tax everyone except me)Gore if you can look at his latest tax return. The donks already ruined public education, if America let them run healthcare then the deserve the pain.
Roger Rabbit spews:
@3 Why should Clinton serve any time? He was never convicted of any crime. All he did was lie about getting a blowjob; he didn’t reveal the identity of a CIA NOC agent to our enemies and blow up an undercover operation that took 25 years to build. Comparing Scooter Libby to Bill Clinton is like saying John Gotti shouldn’t serve jail time because Mother Teresa didn’t serve jail time. You are an ass.
XMAN MULLAH spews:
because ot the stupid link filter
TAKE 1:
12 YLB
You pathetic ignorant little lemming fuck.
READ you asshole.
WATCH AND LISTEN you asshole.
Then use your limited pathetic brain to fucking think for yourself instead of parroting the party line you miserable pathetic fucker.
http://www.freemarketcure.com/brainsurgery.php
XMAN MULLAH spews:
because ot the stupid link filter
TAKE 2:
12 YLB
You pathetic ignorant little lemming fuck.
READ you asshole.
WATCH AND LISTEN you asshole.
Then use your limited pathetic brain to fucking think for yourself instead of parroting the party line you miserable pathetic fucker.
http://www.freemarketcure.com/twowomen.php
Roger Rabbit spews:
@4 How can there be very little decency left in the GOP when there was never any to start with?
XMAN MULLAH spews:
because ot the stupid link filter
TAKE 3:
12 YLB
You pathetic ignorant little lemming fuck.
READ you asshole.
WATCH AND LISTEN you asshole.
Then use your limited pathetic brain to fucking think for yourself instead of parroting the party line you miserable pathetic fucker.
http://www.freemarketcure.com/thelemon.php
XMAN MULLAH spews:
because of the stupid link filter
TAKE 4:
12 YLB
You pathetic ignorant little lemming fuck.
READ you asshole.
WATCH AND LISTEN you asshole.
Then use your limited pathetic brain to fucking think for yourself instead of parroting the party line you miserable pathetic fucker.
And especially because you are a stupid sheep fuck:
http://www.freemarketcure.com/.....merica.php
London\’s Observer (March 3, 2002) carried a story saying that an \”unpublished report shows some patients are now having to wait more than eight months for treatment, during which time many of their cancers become incurable.\” Another story said, \”According to a World Health Organization report to be published later this year, around 10,000 British people die unnecessarily from cancer each year – three times as many as are killed on our roads.\”
The Observer (Dec. 16, 2001) also reported, \”A recent academic study showed National Health Service delays in bowel cancer treatment were so great that, in one in five cases, cancer which was curable at the time
The story is no better in Canada\’s national health-care system. The Vancouver, British Columbia-based Fraser Institute has a yearly publication titled, \”Waiting Your Turn.\” Its 2006 edition gives waiting times, by treatments, from a person\’s referral by a general practitioner to treatment by a specialist. The shortest waiting time was for oncology (4.9 weeks). The longest waiting time was for orthopedic surgery (40.3 weeks).
A concerned Democrat spews:
Swiss boat nips Kiwis by second to win America’s Cup
By Paul Logothetis
The Associated Press
VALENCIA, Spain — In the end, a four-year race for the America’s Cup came down to one second.
Alinghi won a thrilling photo finish over Team New Zealand today, squeaking across the finish line one second ahead to take the best-of-nine series 5-2.
“To win at the last second, it’s unbelievable,” Alinghi owner Ernesto Bertarelli said. “It’s done a lot for the sport. It’s got my heart.”
Just when you thought these lying assholes were gone they come up again. The swifties….. wait a minute…. I am so use to regurgitating the same tired,old bullshit I misread the article. Nevermind.
XMAN MULLAH spews:
because of the stupid link filter
TAKE 5:
12 YLB
You pathetic ignorant little lemming fuck.
READ you asshole.
WATCH AND LISTEN you asshole.
Then use your limited pathetic brain to fucking think for yourself instead of parroting the party line you miserable pathetic fucker.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/.....entary-hed
Just ask the nearly 1 million British patients on waiting lists for treatment. Or the 200,000 Britons currently waiting merely to get on NHS waiting lists.
Across Britain, patients wait years for routine — or even emergency — treatments. And many die while waiting.
Indeed, the NHS cancels around 100,000 operations because of shortages each year. In a growing number of communities, it is increasingly difficult for people to simply get an appointment with an NHS general practitioner for a regular checkup.
http://www.opinionjournal.com/.....=110010266
In Canada, dogs can get a hip replacement in under a week. Humans can wait two to three years.
SO GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS YOU PATHETIC LITTLE PARROT PRICK.
OR BETTER YET, TAKE YOUR ASS WITH YOUR BRAINLESS HEAD FIRMLY PLANTED IN IT RIGHT ON UP TO CANADA AND GET ON A FUCKING LIST TO WAIT FOR THEM TO REMOVE IT.
Roger Rabbit spews:
@6 Lying wingnut pretending to be a dog says: “The government will never be able to compete with the private sector. That is why universal healthcare paid by the guvmint is such a disaster. You pay 10 times as much for half as the healthcare.”
Let’s fact-check.
Overhead costs in private health care system: 25%
Overhead costs in government-run Medicare program: 1%
You know companies suck when government is 25 times as efficient as they are. Another fucking failure of the free enterprise system.
Roger Rabbit spews:
I’m not surprised when Republicans pretend to be independents or even Democrats … after all, the GOP brand name is badly tarnished these days. Hell, even their Senate candidate — Roadkill McGavick — wouldn’t disclose he was a Republican in his TV ads.
So I shouldn’t be surprised when a Republican pretends to be a dog, either … after all, being a dog is a big step up from being a Republican. These days, dogs have a much better reputation than Republicans do.
Roger Rabbit spews:
@8 “In the U.S (translation: “The Fatherland”), 15% of GNP is expended for healthcare — and it’s shitty, HMO healthcare.”
Your figure is out of date. It’s 17% heading for 20%.
And a fourth of it goes to insurance companies whose only function is saying “no” to paying claims.
Broadway Joe spews:
Geez, Xdouchebag, having a hard time?
Recraplican traitor, you should really just go back to your mother’s basement and stay there. Your 15 minutes of stupidity are up.
Roger Rabbit spews:
@13 If it’s OK for doctors to take as much money as they can from their patients, then why shouldn’t workers join unions and go on strike to take as much money as they can from their employers?
Roger Rabbit spews:
Why should only doctors be greedy? Why shouldn’t government workers be greedy, too?
proud leftist spews:
Two words, “President Cheney,” have always caused me to oppose Bush’s impeachment. At some point, however, standing up for what is right must outweigh practical considerations. The time has come. Let’s impeach the bastard. He cares less for this nation than he cares for the asswipe he throws into the toilet, presuming, of course, that he wipes his ass.
Roger Rabbit spews:
What’s good for doctors is good for state employees.
Roger Rabbit spews:
What’s good for doctors is good for teachers.
Roger Rabbit spews:
@19 Eight months, eh? It’s been almost 6 years since 9/11 and some of the volunteers who dug through the rubble with their bare hands looking for survivors are still waiting for medical treatment for the cancers and other ailments they got from the toxic fumes that the lying Busheviks said didn’t exist. That’s 7 times as long as you have to wait for medical care in Britain. And you think OUR system is wonderful?
Roger Rabbit spews:
Bushevik theory of controlling medical spending: If you make people wait 20 years for treatment, most of the demand goes away.
XMAN MULLAH spews:
I guess it\’s too much to expect that you dumbfucks and rabbit fucks make the connection:
Doctors are MIA in Britain because… oh gee, there\’s no money in it…and even the most altruistic has to EAT
Some doctors that ARE in Britain… oh gee, are being arrested for being TERRORISTS.
\”Ayman al-Zawahri, al-Qaida\’s No. 2. George Habash of the PLO. Mahmoud Zahar, the Hamas strongman in Gaza. All trained as doctors – as did at least seven suspects in the failed bomb attacks in Britain.\”
OH YEA.. LET\’S BE LIKE THEM!
FUCKING MORONS
Facts Support My Positions spews:
God it must suck having to defend today’s Republicons….. I hear their new slogan is “Leave No Crime Uncommitted” or something.
Hey cons, name one crime Bush has not committed….
I can’t wait till tomorrow when tobacco lobbyist lazy Senator Thompson announces, and then reality will then tear him to shreds, just like Rudi dirtbag, and John more bodies the better McKane, and I got $$$$$$ Romney.
Anyone voting for a Republicon President after 8 years of Bush should have their hands chopped off.
Republicans are America’s worst enemy. Osama could only dream of hurting America as much as Bush, and his co-conspirators have.
The Dems have serious problems, and have too much corporate cash too, but at least they are not the mafia….
YOS LIB BRO spews:
XMAN – YOU’RE SUFFERING FROM MOORE DERANGEMENT SYNDROME. NOW THAT PARTICULAR DISEASE WOULD TAKE A LONG TIME TO TREAT IN BRITAIN BECAUSE IT’S AN “ELECTIVE” FORM OF BRAIN DAMAGE.
I’VE HEARD AMERICAN EXPATS ON THE RADIO WHO LIVE IN BRITAIN HAVE NO TROUBLE GETTING THE CARE THEY NEED. A WOMAN WENT TO THE DOCTOR IN BRITAIN TO GET A REFILL ON HER BIRTH CONTROL AND THE DOCTOR WAS SHOCKED AT WHAT HER AMERICAN DOCTOR HAD PRESCRIBED TO HER. THE BRIT DOC HADN’T PRESCRIBED THAT PILL FOR 15 FUCKING YEARS!
IN THE BRITTISH SYSTEM, THE INCENTIVE IS TO PROVIDE PREVENTIVE, COST-EFFECTIVE CARE NOT BILLING FOR OFFICE VISITS!
YOS LIB BRO spews:
XMAN (OR IS IT MTR THE BRAINDAMAGED BET-WELSHER): STOP QUOTING “OPINION” FROM RIGHT WINGERS. TRY TO DIG UP SOME LINKS THAT ARE HALFWAY BALANCED NEXT TIME.
GULLIBLE MORON.
Broadway Joe spews:
YLB, you have to forgive Xdouchebag. Can’t you see that he has Wingnut Disorder, a genetically inherited disease that causes random outbursts of asinine stupidity that disguise extreme naivete? It’s sort of a political Tourette’s Syndrome, y’know? It is treatable however, and I think that he could get the help he needs in either Steilacoom or Medical Lake.
Harry Tuttle spews:
As he intended, though, our Tourette affected, deranged visitor hijacked the thread, thus stopping the discussion of the demand in Keith Oblermann’s editorial — that both Bush and Cheney resign.
His mission accomplished, much better than the accomplishment of his incompetent President of the Republican Party.
RightEqualsStupid spews:
This exchange between me and Proud Leftist is so good, I am going to post it in every thread on HA from now on. It destroys the Publicans’ stupid talking points – period.
“I’m working really hard to understand how President Bill Clinton’s actions act as justifcation for the righties. Read this fuckwads.
If your lame ass argument is that Bill Clinton was a bad President – which is what you say – and if your argument now is that the AWOL coward GW Bush is in someway comparable to Bill Clinton, what you are actually saying is that GW Bush is NO BETTER THAN CLINTON.
Does it hurt to be that stupid? I really want to know.
proud leftist says:
RES @ 18
You’ve hit it on the nose. The rightwing fringefucks consider Clinton to be the personification of evil–indeed, he is the devil incarnate in their twisted little minds. Nonetheless, their justification for all of the Bushites’ sins is, always, “well, Clinton did it, too.” Methinks they never studied logic.”
Harry Tuttle spews:
Clinton was a hell of a lot better president for the righties than he was for me.
George W./the Dick must surely have broken the mold, though I won’t say they can’t come up with a worse executive. The righties are always up to a challenge.
Harry Tuttle spews:
One thing relevant to this thread was spoken by Michael Moore on the Daily Show. Let’s never buy into the frame that there is no money/it would break the budget.
I want a single-payer, universal health care plan. If a trillion dollars can be pissed away in Iraq, I can have a reasonable health care system. If the pols are looking for the money, they can zip their pants.
First, let’s get rid of Bush and Cheney.
My Left Foot spews:
Is it just me or does XMAN MULLAH posts have the same strange forward slash marks as those old posts of Auntie-liberal?
Welcome back in your new incarnation, Auntie.
Fuck you!
And Olbermann has is right. He begged Bush and Dick to resign last night, to fall on the sword in a fit of patriotism. He made Dick Nixon out to be an American hero. Imagine that. An avowed, respected liberal holding Richard M. Nixon up as an example of a true patriot.
Amazing. Simply amazing.
And all of it true.
Heathen Sinner spews:
Hail Hitler.
George spews:
Thats why I don’t watch MSNBC
Puddybud Who Left the Reservation spews:
Happy 4th Moonbat!s
Yer Killin Me spews:
I’m not convinced that Mullet is the reincarnation of the late, unlamented Anti Liberal — the person who, by being so hateful, arrogant, ignorant and bitter summed up by its own admission exactly what the opposite of a liberal is. The tone of the posts is somewhat different. I’m at a loss to explain the quote marks, though. They’re clearly meant to “escape” punctuation so they won’t be treated as special characters. Maybe there’s a special kind of wingnut software that does that.
Personally, I think Fuh Q is Auntie’s current incarnation, but I have not yet run an extensive analysis. It’s not like I pay a lot of attention to anything they post anyway. Can’t think of any good reason why I should, since they only come here to hijack threads.
robin spews:
Keith’s why I watch MSNBC!!!!
Yer Killin Me spews:
Now, with that out of the way . . .
Keith is spot on. It goes back to the question that I posed yesterday: Are we a nation under rule of law, or under rule of men? Currently we are a nation under rule of men, or more precisely one man. In order to restore some semblance of rule of law to our country, that man has to be removed from office.
Oh, and so does his sock puppet Bush.
YOS LIB BRO spews:
HAPPY FOURTH OF JULY EVERYBODY.
I’D USUALLY WISH A HAPPY FOURTH EVEN TO THE WINGNUTS BUT HOW CAN I?
HOW CAN I WISH A HAPPY FOURTH TOWARDS THOSE WHO TURN A BLIND EYE TOWARDS THE DUMBYA ADMINISTRATION’S SHREDDING OF THE CONSTITUTION? WHO CHEERED AS 3500 AMERICANS DIED IN IRAQ? WHO HIGH FIVED AS THOUSANDS CAME HOME WITH MISSING BODY PARTS AND PTSD DAMAGED MINDS? WHO GET A ROSY GLOW WHEN THEY HEAR A STORY OF TORTURE AT GITMO OR THE SECRET TORTURE PRISONS (AN AMERICAN GULAG)? WHO STICK THEIR HEADS IN THE SAND AT THE MASSIVE DEBT THAT WILL BE PASSED TO FUTURE GENERATIONS?
I CAN’T WISH A HAPPY FOURTH TO SUCH PEOPLE.
Mark spews:
Keith Olberman – yeah there’s a serious credible journalist…NOT. His stupid and immature sound effects and “worst person in the world” schtick is something I would expect from talk radio than from a respectable journalist.
Keith – Go back to Sportscenter where you belong. YOU ARE NOT A SERIOUS JOURNALIST!!!!
Don Joe spews:
Mark,
Thank you for your astounding rebuttal of Olberman’s argument–astoundingly inane, that is.
You can’t rebut the argument, so you trash the one who constructed it. Thank you for playing, but you lose.
Mark spews:
Don Joe says:
Mark,
Thank you for your astounding rebuttal of Olberman’s argument–astoundingly inane, that is.
You can’t rebut the argument, so you trash the one who constructed it. Thank you for playing, but you lose.
I don’t care what Olberman says in this video, I didn’t even listen. The 3-4 times I’ve watched his show has left me perplexed why MSNBC would have a non journalist like Olberman on their network. And you wonder why Fox has been kicking MSNBC’s ass in the ratings for years?
Yer Killin Me spews:
So, by your bit of pretzel logic, it would be logical to wonder why a failed owner of a baseball team, failed energy investor, failed National Guard pilot and failed student would be President of the United States, right?
You’re right, I scratch my head about that one.
Yer Killin Me spews:
Check your ratings numbers. Last I heard Fox was losing viewers and MSNBC was gaining.
Daddy Love spews:
From Andrew Sullivan:
“The bottom line for Americans is this: George Bush’s friends do not go to jail. Your friends do.”
Yer Killin Me spews:
Well, after I submitted that last post I figured I’d better go look to make sure I remembered right. Sure enough, MSNBC’s growth is outstripping CNN and Fox. You can read the article here for yourself.
And what, you might ask yourself, is fueling MSNBC’s 50% ratings growth in the “all ages” demographic over the last two reporting quarters? Ah, but I’m sure you already know the answer.
Don Joe spews:
Mark,
In other words, you don’t know any of the relevant facts, but you’re going to give us your opinion anyway.
Gotta love the intellectual rigor exhibited by your average wingnut.
chadt spews:
Mark is just here to entertain us and illustrate the mental acuity of the true-religion & right-wing-magic-show performers.
I’m sure we’re all very impressed.
It’s a very slow day anyway.
headless lucy spews:
re 11: Janet S: Go watch Sicko and get your facts straight.
Here’s a brain teaser for you, Janet: How long does an uninsured American wait for an ordinary procedure? And, how long does the average HMO insured American wait?
Answer: They both wait forever, except the HMO covered American loses his “coverage” if he can’t can’t pay the premiums.
jsa on commercial drive spews:
Hello again from beeeyootiful sunny Vancouver, BC!
I’m looking forward to seeing all the cool kids in Seattle when I return back to the Land of the Free in about one week’s time.
Meanwhile, on this balmy Fourth of July, remember and watch closely for a few important pieces of sleight-of-hand that you may see when righty trolls talk about the Evil Canadian Single-Payer Plan.
1) Most of the “evidence” is anecdotal in nature. Yes, there are really long waits if you’re stuck in rural Canada and need a hip replacement. Doctors are highly-skilled, highly-paid professionals here as well. They can live in Vancouver where there are good schools, cultural activities, fantastic shopping and restaurants, sun, surf, mountains, etc. or they can live in Smithers, BC where there’s cheap land and trees.
This is also a problem in the US. The community hospital systems that provide secondary care in the rural US are unnerving to be in, and have documented problems with the level of care they provide, but we don’t have a right-wing noise machine that points to those and says “Look! The system is broken!”
2) Canada is not a totalitarian state where the poor oppressed citizens cower in fear of their government. It is a democracy, rather like the one you live in. A preponderance of French-speakers and urban dwellers pulls the political dialog somewhat to the left. The currently ruling (sort of) Conservative government of the Right Honourable Stephen Harper would LOVE to introduce privatized health care here. There is no political support for this among voters. It is considered a lunatic fringe position.
3) Most importantly, any “single-payer” system in the US almost certainly not be a Canadian-style system. The Canadian Medicare system is built on the idea that the US’s high-tech medical infrastructure is right next door, and people needing high-value medical care can be sent there. This is by design, and was not an oversight or an accident.
Most countries with state-funded health care have a two-tier system. The state provides primary care and catastrophic insurance. So-called “discretionary” care can be provided by the private sector on a fee basis.
Oh, shit! If people can PAY for first-tier care, that destroys the entire righty troll argument. My bad! Sorry.
Yer Killin Me spews:
60
Now you’ve done it!
jsa on commercial drive spews:
YKM @ 61:
* sniff *
I’m sorry.
Mostly I’m sorry I typed in a hurry and my editing is well below par.
My Left Foot spews:
Mark at 50:
Nice ad hominem attack. Would suggest you use “the Google” and find out just what K.O’s qualifications as a journalist are. You have a habit of not addressing the issue and attacking the messenger. Would this be because you have no meaningful rebuttal? Of course it does.
Let me know what you find out about K.O’s education and experience. Let me know when you can speak and write as eloquently as he does.
You’ve got a ways to go. I’ll be here when you are ready.
EvergreenRailfan spews:
I enjoy listening to the podcast of Olberman every day, and sometimes I do get to watch the whole show. He does his best to tell what we need to know, and not what Fox News thinks we need to know. He drives his former employers at the Fox organization crazy. I believe Olbermann once did sports reports for Fox Sports. He still does a little sports coverage for ESPN Radio(Big Show with Dan Patrick and Keith Olbermann, but they say there is a big announcement coming for the show).
The one person at FOX that he does drive crazy is Bill O’Reilly, who when he attacks MSNBC, only mentions radical elements at MSNBC, but not by name. I remember it provoked Scarborough into saying O’Reilly is not a Conservative. Well, Scarborough is a former Conservative Republican Congressmember from Florida.
My Left Foot spews:
JSA @ 60:
Their heads are now spinning and spewing that weird green stuff. Can’t wait for them to argue that the problem with health care is/was Bill Clinton’s blow job. I mean it is the cause of all of our nation’s problems, right?
EvergreenRailfan spews:
I just got back from Washington D.C, and although I was there to see a few of the Smithsonian Museums, the Capitol, and a few other buildings, as well as what can be considered a busfan and railfan’s holiday, I also went to see the monuments on the Mall. I got most of them, including the Washington, WWII, D.C WWI Monument(to all D.C. Residents who fought in WWI), Vietnam, Lincoln, Korea, FDR, and Jefferson. Each one of those are important to American History. Washington set the standard, by refusing to become a KING, even though he was popular and the people would have gone along with it. Jefferson helped draft a revolutionary document signed in Philadelphia on July 4, 1776, and despite the contradiction of being a slave owner, he was the one that laid the foundation for the Freedoms we take for granted. D.C. WWI. National WWII Memorial, Korea, and Vietnam honors those who fought to preserve democracy, the Republic, and the rule of law. FDR Monument honors the man who might have saved the American system when people might have been willing to accept both Fascism and or Communisim just to get away from the misery of the Great Depression. The Lincoln Memorial honors the man who election may have been responsible for the Civil War, but brought the country back from Civil War. Perhaps the current administration should take that tour one of these days.
Yer Killin Me spews:
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If it all comes down to Iraq with us liberals, it all comes down to the Clenis with whackjob wingnuts. I know which one has more validity, insofar as either sentiment has any merit at all.
Yer Killin Me spews:
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Unfortunately the neoconservatives have a much different view of history than we do. It’s as if they were looking at it through a funhouse mirror. They see the same things you and I do, but they see it all warped and distorted.
EvergreenRailfan spews:
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Plus Harper has had to fire a few Conservatives for not towing the party line, especially since one voted against the budget, which down here is no big deal, the Government just gets shut down. In Canada, failure to pass a budget is an automatic no-confidence vote, and means early elections.
jsa on commercial drive spews:
EvergreenRailfan @ 69:
There’s a lot going on there, but it’s too much for me to summarize, and I generally don’t comment on Canadian politics. If I ever decide to take residency up here (unlikely), I’ll start forming a real opinion.
Suffice it to say that Harper’s only solace as the leader of an unpopular government is that all of his opponents (the Liberals, Greens and NDP) are equally unpopular. The day anyone thinks that they can actually “win” an election, you’ll see a no-confidence motion called the next day.
Brandon Wolner spews:
Gotta love the pics of olby wearing the pic of o’rielly as a mask. Anything to increase his ratings.
Holy Shit spews:
Meant to mention this days ago, but BUGS RABBIT KEPT GETTING IN THE WAY!!!
A quick spew review of Tavis Smiley’s “debate” with the Goldycrats has this: Chris Dodd said that the United States should march into Darfur, if possible with the UN or NATO, unilaterally if necessary. Amen, said Hillary. Amen, said Richardson. Amen, said the rest of the leftist Amen Corner.
(Amazing how secular fundamentalist Goldycrats get religion whenever they get close to a microphone or an African Methodist-Episcopal church. Remember how Gore, campaigning from the pulpit, started sounding like a poor black child who had made good at gangsta rap? Remember Hillary trying to sound … I done come too farrrr … like a poor black preacher or ghetto poet? Remember Bill waving a big black Baptist Bible in the breeze whenever he got caught dropping DNA on the rug or in the pantry sink? Makes people like me and Julia Sweeney really nervous about theocracy and the Religios Left.)
And I’m nervous about left-wing unilateral imperialist enthusiasms. First the Balkans, now Darfur. Like, what’s with you people?
GBS spews:
You know Keith Olbermann has done a superb job in reporting the facts when all the anti-American conservatives can do is to attack Keith’s character instead of the substance of his commentary.
Keith Olbermann: A real American Hero and the Edward R. Murrow of our times.
Mark spews:
GBS says:
You know Keith Olbermann has done a superb job in reporting the facts when all the anti-American conservatives can do is to attack Keith’s character instead of the substance of his commentary.
Keith Olbermann: A real American Hero and the Edward R. Murrow of our times.
LOL!!!! Now that’s original. Perhaps if he was still on Sportscenter doing his “from way downtown…..BANG!!!!” or his “en fuego” line to describe Tiger Woods on the back 9 of Augusta.
In THAT role, he was great. As a “news journalist”, its hard to take him seriously. The niche he has carved out that panders to the far left does not in any way shape or form make him worthy of the title of “American hero” or the Edward R. Murrow of our time.
Here’s where GBS’s level of immature arrogance reaches new uncharted territory…..
GBS spews:
Mark @ 74:
You did exactly what I said in my opening comment; instead of attacking his “facts” you engage in personal destruction.
Keith is right regardless of your opinions of his qualifications. Even if this were the first and only time Keith has made a point, he’s right.
If you disagree with the facts in the commentary he laid out, then specifically tell us where he is wrong and why.
You can’t and you won’t. At least not honestly.
Which brings me to my final point: If reporting the truth means pandering to the far left, then what does that say for you and your news sources?
Good night and good luck.
John425 spews:
Keith Olbermannequin is an Ann Coulter wannabe- he’ll even wear the little black dress.
Yer Killin Me spews:
Ha ha ha ha Ha ha ha ha HA HA HA HA chuckle wheeze guffaw *snort*
GBS spews:
Where’s the substantive debate from the right regarding Keith’s special comment?
Mark spews:
GBS says:
Where’s the substantive debate from the right regarding Keith’s special comment?
For the exact same reasons you don’t listen to Rush Limbaugh (I might add neither do I), I don’t listen to Sportscenter Keith…..other than the 3-4 times it took me to know all I need to know about what a great “journalist” he is.
goldy milhous nixon spews:
More holy shit: This week’s U Dub Daily says that “(C)hurches ought to stand back and let the debate (over abortion, gay marriage, …) unfold without influencing the fight. Just as governments respect the ever-wise separation of church and state, so should all religion.”
Oh dear. I just hate it when leftists forget their meds and start to drool and spew. And when they lie.
The Dub writer doesn’t want “all religion” separated from our public lives, because that would be a repudiation of born-again blacks (pasty white secular fundamentalist Democrats who get religion and who get black genes when they get near a captive constituency of black voters stuck to their pews on Sunday mornings.
It would also be a repudiation of civil rights (the REVEREND Martin luther King, the Reverend Ralph David Abernathy, the Reverend Jesse Jackson, the Reverend Al Sharpton) and of the religious fanatics who turned Christendom against slavery.
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Good news. NPR reports this morning that Biden’s presidential campaign in 1988 was derailed only because he “borrowed” speeches from a British MP. The uninformed and the unfair back then said that Biden had stolen speeches from a British MP. Now we know better. I’m so ashamed of thinking he was a sniveling, turd-eating, goveling, sneaking little thief. Joe is not a crook. (Neither a borrower nor a lender be? Forget about it. Joltin Joe’s good to go.)
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Bad news: NPR reports this morning that AIDS is way down, or was flagrantly over-reported. Same thing happened in NYC in the early 1990s, and gays pretty much rioted in protest … seems that a decline in the disease du jour would probably have led to a decline in gay funding. (And you & Dan Savage thought the problem was that mean President Reagan caused AIDS. Apparently the problem was that he didn’t cause enough.)
Mark spews:
goldy milhous nixon says:
More holy shit: This week’s U Dub Daily says that “(C)hurches ought to stand back and let the debate (over abortion, gay marriage, …) unfold without influencing the fight. Just as governments respect the ever-wise separation of church and state, so should all religion.”
The UW Daily, now there’s an objective, respectable publication. Exactly why we have a 1st Amendment to the Constitution – to protect the speech of people like the ignoramus filled UW Daily, and to protect the right of the people to worship as they see fit AND to be engaged in the political process just like anyone else.
GBS spews:
Mark @ 79 wrote:
“GBS says:
Where’s the substantive debate from the right regarding Keith’s special comment?
For the exact same reasons you don’t listen to Rush Limbaugh (I might add neither do I), I don’t listen to Sportscenter Keith…..other than the 3-4 times it took me to know all I need to know about what a great “journalist” he is.”
No body gives a shit about your viewing habits! WE know you don’t like him as a “journalist.” OK, we get it.
The question you continue to avoid, however, is where is Keith wrong?
Can you manage to answer that simple question?
No. Because to do so would be to admit Bush is a crimnal.
Yer Killin Me spews:
testing one, two, three