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    Being a conservative means someone else dying for your country is noble and patriotic, but my paying taxes for it is obscene.

    So true.

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    This is a bit of fresh air in these times of political catatonic seizure:

    Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh are on the same station in Seattle, KTTH which has Beck in the early morning, followed by Titan of Talk, Rush Limbaugh then the supposedly incredibly popular “local” host Michael Medved on from noon to 3p.

    Oh, and don’t forget, at night, they have Dr. Laura, who surely must be wildly popular. Imagine that! One station has a monopoly on all the big right-wing talkers. Their ratings must be through the roof, right?

    Well, when it comes to total listeners (something Arbitron refers to as ‘cume’) KTTH isn’t exactly setting the world on fire. They are ranked 24th. Let me say that more clearly: TWENTY-FUCKING FOURTH! Not only are KIRO-AM and FM ahead of KTTH. But so is KOMO. So is KJR-AM. So are three country stations. So are two jazz stations. So are the NPR stations. So is Jack and KUBE and Star and the Wolf and the Mountain and Kiss and Warm and Movin’ and the End and Christa Ministries and Classic KING and the Funky Monkey and, well, just about everybody.

    http://blatherwatch.blogs.com/.....t-ass.html

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    In addition to Washington, who would have the 8th highest income tax in the nation if I1098 passes, the states without an income tax are Alaska, Florida, Nevada, New Hampshire, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas and Wyoming. Combined they had an average 18.2% growth rate in jobs over the past decade, more than twice the 8.4% job growth of the nine states with the highest income tax rates, according to a new report based on Commerce Department data by the American Legislative Exchange Council.

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    I 1098 would also be a job killer. If you start taxing only instate adjusted gross income, which includes all profits left in an S corporation, partnership or sole proprietorship, the will be at a disadvantage to out of state companies who do work in this state but do not have to pay these taxes. As well it will be a job killer to these exact businesses. If you take 5% to 9% profit away from companies, you are going to kill jobs.

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    Ah the spin machine fires up…

    Obama pisses away $787 billion on cronies and payoffs, now needs another $50 billion to do something visible

    and….you blame it on GOP not doing his bidding?

    The democratic Congress when Bush left office is equally to blame, if you want to look backwards

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    its gonna be ugly for the dems come november.

    over a trillion dollars(including the interest) wasted and still the economy is on the verge of collapse.

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    7 – 10 years? The Bush “boom” years where the jobs were never quite plentiful enough. The vast majority of jobs paid so much less then last generation being furiously outsourced to cheap labor domiciles. The “recovery” that never felt like a recovery. Musta built alotta cracker boxes in those places with borrowed money from that great pot seeking mortgage-backed higher rates of return. So many of them now sadly foreclosed upon.

    Not to mention almost all of those “wonder” states are highly addicted to federal pork.

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    @9: wrong-on-everything
    Ahh, the right wing moron can’t document a thing that he/she says.

    According to actual economists (not ignorant republican fools) without the stimulus package and the banking actions we would have been in a worse economic condition than the great depression. You know, the one Hoover started and then it took 10 years to get out of it.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07.....ilout.html

    Republicans like “wrong” are so stoopid they keep saying the same lies and think that the lies will become true if they repeat them enough.

    Idiots like “wrong – on -everything” have nothing to back up their specious claims.

    Oh, and here comes another fool #10. I guess actual facts are hard for those fools to understand – they prefer to lie and pretend instead.

    Hello…..the BUSH recession started over 1 year before BUSH left office – remember these are the same republicans who claimed there WAS no recession when McCain was running. They lie and they have no memories.

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    Poor WA State is going to have so much competition from the 7 dwarves (TN taxes (gasp!) dividends and interest).

    All our immediate neighbors have income taxes. 43 states in total.

    I-1098 is going help balance the budget. Yes on I-1098.

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    Socialist Sarah Failin’ raised taxes on oil/gas producers to hand out checks to Alaskans..

    What a “job killer” that was.

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    @11

    for the most part, the Bush years had a very strong economy – even in spite of 911. Not sure what rock you were living under

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    @12

    Well lets see….the recession also started under a democratic party controlled congress too..who makes up the budget? who makes fiscal policy? who completely fucked fanny and freddie? hmmmm…..could it be the great lithsping one? – you know,the guy who ran a male prostitute ring out of his home? hmmm……

    and speaking of people CLAIMING there was nothing wrong – how about that queen christine telling all you fools that the state was in great shape and had a surplus? LMFAO…I bet you swallowed that hook, line, and sinker.

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    @13

    which of our immediate neighbors also has a high sales tax….dumbass YLB..go get a job.

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    @`13

    yes, another person, like goldy, who pays NO income taxes, and who wants others to pay MORE.

    keep cashing those gvt checks ylb….people like me are working hard to keep your family fed and housed…

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    Remember that generic Gallup poll from last week that put the Republicans up by 10%? Yeah, the one that unleashed a tsunamic tide of pundit-babble predicting an historic drubbing for Democrats in November. Well, this week it’s tied up at 46%. WTF?

    Gallup

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    16 – The executives of f&f screwed up their own sure thing trying to keep up with the mortgage backed bond frenzy on Wall Street. Congress merely went along with their lobbyists which they so often do on both sides of the aisle.

    Next!

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    which of our immediate neighbors also has a high sales tax

    And why is that the case for WA State? Oh! We don’t have an income tax!

    Small business and property owners get a TAX CUT!

    Rich people can deduct their state income taxes from their federal tax bill.

    Yes on I-1098. Middle class tax relief.

    Next!

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    who pays NO income taxes

    I-1098 doesn’t affect you mr. 92K…

    Or is it mr. 82.8k?

    So much for the chickenshit Wurzelbachers of the world..

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    who wants others to pay MORE.

    No more than what people in other states pay.

    When the government is strapped for cash to fund basics like public safety and education they have to go where the money is.

    It sure isn’t with the poor and the middle class who haven’t seen wage growth since the 70’s.

    Yes on I-1098.

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    Dumb as a Rock @ 15 says:

    “for the most part, the Bush years had a very strong economy – even in spite of 911. Not sure what rock you were living under”

    Gee, you guys really do try to re-write history, even before the ink is dry on the original.

    Let’s do a quick comparison of the performance of the Dow Jones Industrial Average (DJIA)during the most recent past presidents:

    Carter (4 years): -0.87%
    Reagan (8 years): +135.13%
    Bush I (4 years): + 45.57%
    Clinton (8 years): +225.37%
    Bush II (8 years): -27.78%
    Obama (1 yr, 8 mo): +25.49%

    Note that under Bush, the DJIA lost ground during BOTH of his terms in office:

    Bush II’s 1st Term: – 0.78%
    Bush II’s 2nd Term: -21.17%

    The ONLY time during the Bush administration when the economy seemed to be doing well was for a two-year stretch, between early 2005 and early 2007, when the economy was artifically boosted by hyper-inflation of the real estate markets and the profits derived from it from sales, refinancings, sophisticated wall-street real-estate backed offerings, etc. Bush and his cronys tried to use this artificial economy as a justification for privatising social security. Of course, such a market couldn’t sustain itself, and it soon collapsed, bringing down first the real estate markets, then the financial investment firms, and finally banking generally.

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    Hey, I finally found an explanation for Glen Beck, Rush Limbaugh, O’Reilly, and the varioius wingnuts who troll around on this sight. It seems that knowledge can actually be a negative value.

    “In a development that would probably even puzzle Claude Shannon, information can be negative — at least when the information is quantum. The discovery, by Horodecki, Oppenheim, and Winter, appears in the current edition of the leading journal Nature. If I tell you negative information, you’ll know less. Apparently, researchers hope to use this to gain deeper insights into phenomena such as quantum teleportation and computation, as well as the very structure of the quantum world.”

    How it’s possible to know less than zero

    So in essence, the more ignorance spoken by the wingnuts, the less intelligence there is in the universe, and it can not only reach zero, but surpass it and achieve a negative number.

    Or as they said in a line from the movie Billy Madison:

    “Mr. Madison, what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.”

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    @26

    you mean those same clinton years where the republicans controlled congress?

    those years?

    silly rhp….

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    # 29: Hey, you were the one who wanted to credit Bush with a great economy for “most” of the years he was in office. I just pointed out the facts regarding the DJIA.

    Of course, Clinton was able to reduce the damage which the Republicans in Congress would have accomplished otherwise by the threat or use of the veto. During the Bush II years, there was no such safety-break in place, and the Republicans managed to drive the economy right into the ditch. Of course now they are blaming the Democrats, but that’s always been their tactic – it’s never their fault, it’s always somebody else’s fault.

    They should leave a note behind at the crime scene every time they are kicked out of office…

    “Please stop me before I govern again!!!!”

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    # 29: I noticed also that you tried to change the subject from the “prosperity” of the Bush years which you originally touted, and instead tried to direct the conversation away from Bush and take credit for the economic recovery during the Clinton years.

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    @31

    my point is that no matter what kind of economic condition we have had over the last 20 years, you can place the blame/credit on either party, because they have each swapped places with similar results

    the “chanage in subject” was intentional and a way of making your original argument look like shit….which it did.

    the economy has boomed and busted with a democrat in the white house and republicans in congress. The economy has also boomed and busted with a Republican in the white house and democrats in congress.

    you cant have it both ways.

    thanks for playing…please insert another quarter.

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