Join us tonight for a fun-filled evening of politics under the influence at the Seattle chapter of Drinking Liberally. We meet at 8PM at the Montlake Ale House, 2307 24th Avenue E.
Some of us will be there early to watch coverage of the Florida primary election. The early results show it too close to call between Sen. John McCain and Gov. Willard Mitt Romney. Either way, tonight’s theme song will be War Pigs by Deep Purple.
Perhaps we will make a drinking game out of Mayor 9iu11iani’s concession speech.
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It’s McCain by a couple of points over Romney in FL.
35 percent of precincts reporting.
Rudy who?
It may technically be too close to call, but McCain is ahead 34 to 32, with 37% of precincts reporting. Unless there is some area of the state where Romney is stronger that has reported at a lower rate than the rest of the state, the odds are pretty much in McCain’s favor. And this Florida primary is winner-take-all on delegates on the GOP side of the ledger.
On the Democratic side of the ledger, Clinton is winning 49% to 30% for Obama. Which means Clinton gets roughly half of the 0 delegates at stake, and Obama roughly a third of the 0 delegates.
[Deleted — Darryl, see HA Comment Policy]
What I want to hear from Giuliani is a withdrawal speech.
Florida Winners and Losers
With 1/3rd of the precincts reporting, McCain and Romney are essentially tied (34%-33%) with Giuliana and Huckabee far back.
Roger Rabbit can’t attend tonight because he’s nursing a sick Mrs. Rabbit.
Thanks Darryl – what a broken record!
BREAKING –
McCain wins Florida, AP & Fox News.
Possible: Guiliani to endorse McCain, maybe by Wednesday.
This is being reported on Fox News at this instant.
The Piper
Hey, I just voted by mail. Stefan probably just shit his drawers. Another Democratic plot, this vote by mail. I voted for Edwards. I believe he stood the best chance of winning a national election against any Republican.
It might sound silly, but he is better looking than Romney and McCain, and that counts. It shouldn’t, but it does. Golda Meir would never have been elected in this country nor would Jim Plunkett. (Google his photo). Looks, unfortunately, count.
Piper:
McCain is a good man inside. Unfortunately he hitched his wagon to Iraq and backing Bush. This is not going to play at all in the general election. A fatal flaw.
Romney on the other hand is Mormon, and right or wrong, that is his fatal flaw. I won’t lie, that alone disqualifies him for me. We won’t talk about his flip-flopping like a fish on a pier.
Hillary is divisive, but she is smart. Flawed but not fatally.
Obama is short on experience but he is selling hope at a time when this county is looking for just that. Slightly flawed.
Edwards is smart, angry, and has the look of a president as much as anyone and he has the compassion of most Americans regarding his wifes brave and valiant health struggle. No glaring flaws in his makeup, but his campaign has done a poor job getting his message across.
You won’t agree, but I am comfortable with that.
@ 10 MLF
WELL said! I’m still cheering (& donating) for Edwards. Still plenty of time for Clinton or Obama to implode. He’s got the experience of going against Corporations. If we’re ever going to get something done about the National Healthcare debacle, I believe Edward’s the one who could do it.
Re: 10, Edwards is a complete loser, he has proven that in two Presidential Campaigns now. In the first one he did happen to win his home state, finished a distant third this time.
We do know his dad worked in a mill though. If there is anyone in the United States that doesn’t know that John Edwards Dad worked in a mill after two Presidential Campaigns, here is the newsbrake.
John Edwards Dad worked in a mill! Other than that we know he is a one time US Senator that used to be a trial lawyer. He is and environmentalist though, one of the environmentalist that lives in a 30,000 sq. ft. house with his wife and two kids. In building his environmentally sensitive house he only had to clear cut 30 acres of pine forest.
10 – McCain is decent at heart and has tried to do the right thing at times. However this:
http://tinyurl.com/ypfauz
does not bode well for him.
Yos Libtard, Hillary has never tried to do the right thing and in proving she is Ameriacas “Ex wife” the following video seems to prove that liberal like screaming women.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mONn0VL_2Lc
To all Washington State Progressives who have considered John Edwards:
Please stick with John Edwards and caucus for him on February 9 because
1) He could still win it.
2) Even if he doesn’t win, he could still play a vital role at the Democratic Convention to move the major candidate to more progressive positions. And he could persuade the majors to take him on as their running mate.
John Edwards has a proven record of checking and balancing corporate power, wrongdoing and negligence. Corporate greed is at the root of everything that’s wrong with this country.
John Edwards has the most progressive plan for America. Read all about it:
http://www.johnedwards.com/issues/
Big money is not going to share power with us. WE HAVE TO TAKE IT FROM THEM.
John Edwards is the only one saying this. Support John Edwards on February 9.
Robtard @ 14
I don’t support the Clintons however I’ll vote for Hillary if she is the nominee.
Republicans cannot in any way be rewarded for their misrule of this country.
Oops this series of pics of McCain won’t play well with independents either:
http://tinyurl.com/ytg8d8
“America’s Mayor” can’t get elected America’s dogcatcher:
http://tinyurl.com/2wfezq
Good riddance.
Re: 15. Did you know that John Edwards dad worked in a mill?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMVdbfPkJzA
Rudy who?
Re: 16. Yos libtard. It is no surprise that you would vote for racist democrats like the Clintons. Democrats have been racist since this country was born.
Is Billary Playing the Race Card ? MSNBC Coverage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=te6RmXTlhY4
Happy Birthday Carl My Left Foot Grossman. How are you doing today?
Did Teresa may your day “special”?
Do you realize we are really close in age?
21 – Bill Clinton’s comparing Barack Obama to Jesse Jackson was ill advised to say the least but Bill is hardly a racist. Clinton had lots of black people serving in his cabinet and throughout his admininistration. That’s not how a racist behaves.
Nice try Robtard. I’m sure you’d wish to forget about all the whispering about McCain’s black love child in 2000 so your beloved Chimp could win South Carolina or Nixon’s Southern Strategy or Reagan starting his campaign in Mississippi spewing about “States Rights”.
No dog whistles there. No sir.
Re: 23, Bill Clinton only had one black cabinet member YOS libtard, Ron Brown who only served for 4 years before being killed in an “accident” like so many other friends of the Clinton Crime Family.
George W Bush on the other hand has appointed more minority cabinet members than any other President in the History of the United States.
Libtard, read some history books or it is also avaiable on the interwebs.
Carl, come on man. Edwards is Mr Negative.
Typical Edwards speech.
“Thank you thank you. Another bronze medal but hey let me tell you a story. I met Merry Sue, a single mother in Omaha. She had twins, one had a third ear and the other a second nose. When they were born she saw concern in the doctor’s face and wondered what’s wrong. At least they are healthy the doctor said. Upon learning her children as small defects she realized her COBRA paid insurance wouldn’t cover these surgeries. So she was stuck. How do I pay for these surgeries even though they were not life threatening? What is a mother to do? I also met on the trail…
That’s all you ever hear in his speeches. No inspiration to me!
Don’t worry Clueless@18 no one will mistake you for a Mensa Candidate. You have idiot locked up.
Rob: If it wasn’t for Chucky Schumer the number of minorities hired would be even higher.
Clueless misses these facts.
26 – Stupes, you’re a walking brain fart. A couple threads ago you called the Daily Torygraph a “lefty publication”.
You’re such a lying fraud.
Re: 28, Who were all of those several “Black Cabinet Menbers” Bubba appointed again?
24 – Sorry Robtard – you’re living up to your name.
Alexis Herman at Labor?
Mike Espy at Ag?
Togo West Jr at Veterans?
Jesse Brown at Veterans?
Clif Wharton Jr at State?
Hazel O’Leary at Energy
A racist President doesn’t practice racism by appointing blacks to all these important positions.
Yos Libtard, at least Bill Clinton did do one thing for his black friends.
Why did President Clinton pardon Democratic U.S.Dem Rep Mel Reynolds for having sex with an underage employee?
http://answers.yahoo.com/quest.....823AAlU42p
32 – Good night Robtard, your bullshit in 24 was shredded. You’re not worth any more of my time.
Clueless please name the minority people in power in the Clinton Administration.
Ron Brown, Mike Espy, Jesse Brown, Hazel O’Leary, Clifton Wharton Jr., and Alexis Herman (in second termm replacement) held positions but nothing of power!
And I thought Mike Espy, Hazel O’Leary and Alexis Herman had “clouds” over their heads with issues?
So figger out in the Bush Administration who had positions of power Clueless!
Hmmm… Colin Powell, Condi Rice, Dr. Roderick R. Paige, Alphonso Jackson have or had powerful positions.
So let me get this straight, you libs can’t handle me pointing out the obvious hypocrisy of the cheap labor liberals not supporting LABOR, because you host you DL at a non-union venue, so you delete me a #3. But somehow talking specifically about the Florida primary, instead of where you chose to host your den of hatred and malcontent abides by the submission policy. How about this, GO HILLARY!!!!! Your awesome showing is gonna help the Repubs keep the white house. And you probably won’t pay union, just like GOLDY!
Powell was used as a figurehead, fed lies to feed the UN. When he opposed Bush policies, he was gone.
Re: 30, the minute you bring demcrat child rapists and Bill Clinton who pardened them, YOS LIBTARD decides it’s time for bed.
YOS LIBTARD, Who in the hell is Clif Wharton Jr at State?
During President William Clinton’s administration, he had two different Secretary of States. His first Secretary of State was Warren Christopher from 1993 to 1997. His second Secretary of State was Madeleine Albright who was the first female to serves as the Secretary of State and she served from 1997 to 2001.
http://answers.yahoo.com/quest.....6021706838
@34 Go ahead. Tell America’s voters the GOP is the party of the working man. I dare you. No wait — I DOUBLE DARE YOU!!!
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My Left Foot @ 10
Are you trying to earn the Mike Huckabee award for religious tolerance?
Clinton Crushes McCain In Florida
With 99% of precincts reporting:
Hillary Clinton 856,873
John McCain 693,323
Source: CNN
Rob @ 31 & 36
Bill Clinton did not pardon Mel Reynolds for having sex with a 16 year old girl. Reynolds served a 30 month state prison sentence for that crime. And Clinton couldn’t have done anything about that state conviction even if he had wanted to.
Instead, Clinton commuted a five year federal prison sentence that Reynolds received on some fraud-related charges. There is a substantial difference between what you are claiming, and what really happened.
Funny you retards want to support Edwards because you think
he will do something about healthcare. HE and his ilk are the reason healthcare is so expensive in the first place
with all their bogus lawsuits. Then to top it off all you
liberals sue if you get an eyelash because everyone owes you
a living. FREE this FREE that is not going to work much longer.
@41 “Edwards because you think he will do something about healthcare. HE and his ilk are the reason healthcare is so expensive in the first place with all their bogus lawsuits.”
% of healthcare $ paid to settle lawsuits: >1%
% of healthcare $ paid to health insurance companies: 25%
@41 The reason we can’t solve our health care problems in this country is because of lies like this and the stupid people who believe them.
@41 Tell you what, Mark. Litigation is slow, frustrating, and expensive. Soooo, I’ll agree to get rid of trial lawyers, judges, juries, and lawsuits. But what I want in return is legalization of REVENGE. That’s right, if you run over my cute cottontail with your car, I’m willing to give up my right to sue you in return for a law that will let me kill you, kill your wife, kill your children, and burn your fucking house down! Deal?
@44 Just kidding! Wingnut humor a la Ann Coulter! hahahaha
Roger Rabbit @ 39
There are many ways to look at the Florida numbers. For example, Mitt Romney got more votes than Barack Obama. Both Rudy 9ui11iani and Mike *uckabee got more votes than John Edwards. There were 200,000 more people voting in the GOP primary than the Democratic primary, even though Democratic registration in Florida is 300,000 more than the Republicans.
On the other hand, it was pretty darned good for nearly as many Democrats to turn out as Republicans, when the Republican primary actually determined delegates to the national convention (and all the candidates campaigned heavily), while the Democratic primary supposedly determined nothing (due to Florida being stripped of its delegates) and none of the candidates officially campaigned in Florida at all.
We had a system sorta like that in Vietnam. If you fucked up and got one of your buddies killed by your negligence or stupidity, you got shot in the back on the next patrol. Worked great. No lawyer fees, no court costs, and the whole thing got settled within 48 hours.
@46 I think we have pretty good visibility now of who the GOP candidate will be, and it’s no surprise the Warmonger Party is going to nominate the guy who’s itching to start a war with Iran.
Romney is still in the race only because of his ability and willingness to spend tens of millions of dollars of his own money.
The most recent Quinnipiac polls show tossups in New York and New Jersey. But a recent Florida showed a tossup in that state, too — and, as we know, those numbers didn’t hold up. And there’s more — the candidate who tied with McCain in NY and NJ was not Romney but Giuliani, who is now out of the race and throwing his support to McCain.
I think McCain clinches the GOP nomination next Tuesday.
@41 (continued) A & O (administration & overhead) in the private health insurance system is 50 times what it is in the Medicare system.
42, 49 – The solution to our health care crisis is obvious – adopt the Medicare model nationwide. The 24% of health care dollars currently wasted on feeding private insurance companies that add no value and deliver no health care could be used to cover the 17% of Americans who are uninsured and still have enough money left over to cut everyone’s premiums.
Conversely, the amount of money spent because of malpractice claims is so small a percentage of overall health care costs that enacting so-called “tort reform” would have no effect on premiums.
Additionally, Republicans have never put forth a persuasive rationale for shifting the financial losses caused by medical negligence from negligent hospitals and doctors to the innocent victims of their mistakes.
Finally, giving legal immunity to doctors and hospitals would remove the incentive to be careful and result in an increase in the number of patients killed and injured by sloppy medical practice.
Sorry, Darryl but War Pigs is a Black Sabbath song. And a pretty good one, too.
Newsweek is calling McCain the “prohibitive favorite” for the GOP nomination. http://www.newsweek.com/id/106110
@40…RP…
Thank you for reminding everyone that Mel Reynolds was not only a STATE FELON, he was a FEDERAL FELON too!
Double your pleasure, double your fun – two, two, crimes in a FEL-UN!
Those Democrats…always giving you more than you expect!
The Piper
@52…MJB…
Darryl could no more mention the name of a group that has a religious connotation – “Sabbath” – than he could vote for a Republican. It violates the HA Happy Hooliholy desecration of church and love of state.
We’re all praying for you Darryl!
The Piper
I find it significant that McCain campaigned in the parts of Florida that are heavily laden with military families and retirees, and avoided talking about the economy in his stump speeches.
That’s all well and good for Florida’s GOP primary, but those demographics will not be replicated country-wide in the general election. Standing between him and the White House are vast numbers of voters who want out of Iraq, who don’t want to attack Iran, and who are deeply worried about the economy. McCain’s message to Florida’s Republican military voters won’t play well with that crowd.
My guess is First Gentleman Bill Clinton will be picking out the silverware and tea seat patterns for the White House come next January.
Bill sure is gonna look funny wearing a dress to state functions.
tea set
31, 54 – At least the guy Clinton sprung from jail didn’t go out and kill anyone. Can’t say the same for The Huck.
You know Roger, you’re right. We don’t actually need to limit negligence, damage, or liability awards at all. How about instead we limit the legal profession. You know, something like you can’t charge more than say $40 or $50 dollars an hour for legal services…and no more fat percentages of those outrageous jury awards. That’d probably get rid of most of the shysters – say 90% all lawyers, and make sure the ones that remain, are there because they’re really interested in JUSTICE, not in enriching themselves.
Of course we could also do what I’d prefer and copy the Chinese when it came/comes to enemies of the people – bullet to the back of the neck and charge their family for the cost of the round. *
*Just kidding – Roger Rabbit humor…
Piper Scott @ 54
So you actually thought the President of the United States could issue a pardon for a state offense? Where did you graduate from law school?
@61…RP…
Never said anything about Presidential pardons for state offenses. What I did say is that you made sure everyone knew that Mel Reynolds was not only a pedophile, but also a garden variety thief, albeit of the federal specie.
Sometimes it’s best to quit while you’re behind…
The Piper
It’s not only Piper and Puddy who support Bush’s use of torture. the fuckan Attorney General of the United States has no problem with it.
“WASHINGTON — Attorney General Michael B. Mukasey said Tuesday that the harsh C.I.A. interrogation technique known as waterboarding was not clearly illegal, and suggested that it could be used against terrorism suspects (SUSPECTED, not convicted)once again if requested by the White House.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01.....ce.html?hp
Piper Scott @ 62
So do you have any ancestors who were “pedophiles”, by your definition — i.e. Mel Reynolds having sex with a 16 year old girl? Did any of your great-great-great-etc-grandfathers have children with girls who were 16, 15 or even 14? Ever checked your family tree to find out? I bet you could find several if you go back 200 or 300 years …
@64 Probably some lepers and typhoid Marys in his family tree, too.
RPope@46: Pelletizer is clueless over many things. Glad you are assisting his vietnam demented law skuul abused mind.
Pelletizer, we know Ted Bundy was a distant relative of yours.
38:
If LDS was a religion I would be tolerant. Since it is a cult founded by a child molesting pervert to serve his hedonistic ways, well, not so much tolerance.
68 continued:
seer stones, magic underwear, golden plates. Women can’t have a place of authority. No one but the worthy can enter the opulent temples. Please, Richard.
Read “Under The Banner Of Heaven” by Jon Krakauer. Then lets talk. Read “The God Makers”. Then lets talk. I can list more if you like.
On the Edwards Withdrawal
The exit of John Edwards will hit many DLers hard.
This is a tough year for him. His clarity and agenda might well have won out in any other year.
There is however a good side. If we do not demonize anyone, look at the four left in the race. These are all remarkable people .. remarkable especially because none of them in any way resenbles the bumbling bozo named bush.
Look here:
Hillary … Undoubtably the most war scarred and tested American politician since Nixon. She is, all other issues aside, clearly bright, clearly committd to service, and clearly will form Day 1 move on a rational agenda.
Barack (my guy) … How do you describe the culmination of a dream. BHO is the first American to transcend race, he is obviously bright and like Hillary has a cadre of advisers who will serves the Republic well should BHO be the Prez. Best of all, in an internet world, BHO alone of these candidates has the potential to emerge as a popular world figure ,, able through the internet to influence populations in Iran and China in way that may have a huge effect on the world.
John McCain War hero, hard ass, author of an impressive set of rational legislation. Friend of the first Americans. To be very honest if JM ends up as President, he will only be able to govern as a non partisan. The nut right will still be there, ruling at least half of his party. IF McC couls pull it off, he more than BHO may stand a chance of beibng a truely trans party candidate.
Mitt Romney impressive, practical business man. Leving aside the amazing lax morals that allow him to pander so shamelessly, Romneey would likley govern from the rational center, unlike McCain the Mittster probably can govern as a Republican.
All good so far, what next?
McCain is the likely Rep Prex. His chjoice of veep is critical. McC is an od man who has been ill. He is on the outs with hios party. I have wondered about two choices .. Whitman vs Huckabee. Huckabee would be a announcement that JM is trying to rebuild the Reagan alliance so willing that he is choosiong to relinquish the claim to sanity and reality in his government.
Hillary is the fav on the Dem side. It si here to loose. At one time that looked unlikely but Bill Clinton revealed a side of HRC that opens many questions BHO can exploit. The hispanic ploy is esp. worrisome. The reps used this community very badly, exploiting the cubans esp. I hope HRC does not do the same.
Lets assume she does win. The worry here is that the Clintons seem to really want to govern from their shared bedroom. There can not be a co-prexy. Also, they, the Clintons have a weak record when it comes to staff. WJC’s cabinet had two bright stars .. the Bill and the Rubin.
@64…RP…
So, you think it was OK for Mel Reynolds to abuse his position of power and authority to prey upon a child for his own sexual gratification? Can we get that on the record so that when next you run for public office, your official position on this issue of concern to parents and people interested in the welfare of children will be crystal clear for the voters?
Who cares about anyone in my family tree? Somewhere in the dark past, we all have someone who was hung for horse stealing.
I know I also have Civil War vets who wore blue and gray, including Pvt. Albert C. Roberts who fought with the 20th Maine at Little Round Top under Col. Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain. And there’s this guy who was scalped by Indians somewhere near Rye, NY back around 1675, but I’d have to dig for details.
What’s your point? The only behaviors for which I am responsible, legally, morally, or otherwise, are my own.
The Piper
Piper: We weren’t hung for horse stealing, we were hung for “looking” or perceived looking at the white women!