Join us Tuesday night for some adventures in post-election politics (over a pint) at the Seattle Chapter of Drinking Liberally.
We meet each and and every Tuesday at the Roanoke Park Place Tavern, 2409 10th Ave E, Seattle. You’ll find us in the back room. We start at 8:00pm.
Chapters of Living Liberally are all over the place…if you can’t make it to the Seattle chapter, stop by another chapter near you.
Attacking babies — I wonder if these ICE agents are Israelis in disguise? They behave like IDF.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1hSEgbi_cE
I’m going to give you all enough for five nights with one of Jeff’s and Ghislane’s girls.
The smart money is buying rice and bean futures.
I have more respect for someone who decides to have an abortion than today’s Republican Party.
Justs a word salad of wrong.
There is nonsuch place. Chicago has a Magnificent Mile neighborhood. It is one of the safest in the city. There are two shopping centers that could be said to be there. One is ironically part of the complex that houses the Four Seasons and anchored by Bloomingdale’s (Macy’s).
The other, Water Tower Place, famously home of the American Girl Doll shop beauty salon and cafe is privately owned and no official occupancy rates are available but the interweb suggests 26% vacancy down from 33% in 2020-21.
Much ink has been spilled on the decline of the American Mall. Been to Northgate lately?
And what are troops going to do to save a dying mall culture. Mass purchase a Raquel doll with Pickle Ball accessories and eat a shit ton of Red Mango Froyo? Make visitors eat two Auntie Anne’s at gunpoint?
@ 5
A lovely restaurant overlooking the Water Tower is NoMi, inside the Park Hyatt.
I enjoyed watch shopping on the Magnificent Mile. Would love a classic Breguet with a sweep second hand but the soft gold casing would not fare well against the metal bars in the stall doors and walls of our barn.
@ 5
Chicago has a Magnificent Mile neighborhood. It is one of the safest in the city. There are two shopping centers that could be said to be there. One is ironically part of the complex that houses the Four Seasons and anchored by Bloomingdale’s (Macy’s).
The other, Water Tower Place, famously home of the American Girl Doll shop beauty salon and cafe is privately owned and no official occupancy rates are available but the interweb suggests 26% vacancy down from 33% in 2020-21.
The Magnificent Mile is, indeed, a very safe place. I’d have a six-figure newly purchased watch shipped home to me instead of wearing it out the door just to be safe, but there are no druggies in the doorways like there are in Seattle.
That having been said, it’s important to understand that the safety of the Magnificent Mile is because it’s a Special Security Area:
Specifically, it’s SSA # 76:
The entities within the SSA zone agreed to tax themselves, with the monies going to provide security services for them, and only for them.
Sorry, South Side. Nobody’s stopping you from funding your own SSA.
From the last thread:
No one really knows.
This from a troll dolt who considers Fetterman a “completely recovered vegetable”.. Perhaps the “recovered vegetable” can name one repuke who celebrated its party’s good fortunes on Nov 5. Perhaps the troll dolt can tell us why the Dems need an authoritarian dear leader like the orange pants shitter.
40 years in the desert. If Democrats believed in the Bible they at least could have seen it coming.
Who wandered 40 years in the desert? Oh teh Joos! How far is it from Cairo to Jerusalem? 475 miles. Uhh.. dang, did Eritrean refugees take that long to fucking WALK from their country to Tel Aviv?
Maybe troll dolt can explain why so many Hispanic communities in NJ switched from pants shitter to Dem on Nov 5.
Oh but this “wandering” is yet another “dumb cunt” opportunity for the widbee dumbfuck. And there’s the issue of the “Cave”..
Everyone hates the cave. Yes it’s true. The cave was carefully architected. The cavers were chosen amongst Dems set to retire or won’t face the voters for multiple cycles. People will suffer unless the repukes knuckle under in December.. And guess what?
They just might…
https://www.youtube.com/live/hEi77Ibr7r8?si=4toZ1qelCDcOAaSI
What did elmo say about the files? And what do at least 100 repukes in the House already know? And if they don’t knuckle under in December they’ll be all the more FUCKED next November.
Been to Northgate lately?
Thornton Place. That replaced the ugliest parking lot I’ve ever seen. Cars parked there only during the heyday of Holiday season which of course is hardly a whisper of its former self. They day lighted Thornton Creek. Put apartments, assisted living, condos, a pub, other small restaurants and a big ass multiplex in its place. Huge improvement.
I swear. At least half a billion dollars is being invested in what was the mall proper. Probably well over a billion when it’s all done.
From a declining shopping mall (one of the first its kind) into transit adjacent development, packed with apartment living, long term stay, offices, recreation (the skating rink open to the public, and even outdoor field hockey) and the Kraken training facility. The Northgate light rail station was an all too massive change in itself.
The only shopping left it seems at the moment will be a Trader Joes and a Nordstrom Rack. The Kraken Pub an anchor restaurant of sorts. I’m sure there’ll be other eateries and other convenient services for all the new apartment/condo dwellers.
The Northgate Apartments across Northgate Way are slated for demolition. More mixed use on the way.
There better be another supermarket in the mix. The QFC down the street is overcrowded with refugees from the food desert created by the now closed Fred Meyer on Lake City Way. The parking lot there is full at 2:00 pm in the middle of the week. Nuts.
This ex-president is in a lot better physical shape than the current one. Respects veterans, too.
Greg Bovino’s brownshirts are violating DHS use-of-force policies across the board: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPNl7zCShmE
@7
So you agree he’s full of shit about crime killing the imaginary mall?
Well played.
One might argue that running top speed into a potential national security emergency on the advice of University of Phoenix attorney interpretation of law shows a level of stupidity unmatched by any President prior.
For all your financial news we turn to…
Door Dash
@ 14
By all means, let’s not use a fast food index to tell us how inflation is affecting consumer pocketbooks. Instead let’s use the ingredients cost for a once-a-year meal of overindulgence.
@15 And how much did DoorDash give to Andrew Cuomo the sex pest?
Captains of Industry, yes.
@ 12
So you agree he’s full of shit about crime killing the imaginary mall?
I agree that the top-end retail establishments in the high-rent retail districts are still doing just fine.
As are my retirement accounts.
Why the fuck should I care about how things are going in downtown Yakima? Target doesn’t carry alligator straps with the correct taper for my needs.
Irrelevant Post of the Day @ 16 has a winner!
Totally normal
Totally unexpected.
Totally Republican.
https://www.texasobserver.org/ice-prosecutor-dallas-white-supremacist-x-account/
Why the fuck should I care about how things are going in downtown Yakima?
They vote repuke..
Look at the hoedown they had for Darth Cheney back in the day.
https://archive.seattletimes.com/archive/20040731/cheney31m/cheney-visits-yakima-touts-economy
I have some familiarity with Yakima. Ugly downtown mall. They had a Nordstrom’s at one time. Not anymore.. Strip malls with giant empty parking lots.
We had someone fly into Yakima and they said they be arriving late at night. Someone in the meeting said, “Good thing. You won’t have to look at it.”
The biggest fucking repuke signs I’ve ever seen were put up in Yakima Valley farm roadsides.
Irrelevant Post of the Day
How relevant to you is pants shitter and elmo endorsing Cuomo?
DoorDash is a friend of those you fellate.
@2
Oooh! Can we take advantage of that offer, too?
Let’s make POS liberal Patrick McClintock even more famous, shall we?
Barstool Sports’ Dave Portnoy releases video showing student smirking after hurling vile antisemitic slur
Maybe his fellow liberal engineer Steve can help him get back into school and then find him a job.
@23 Too bad..
Must be something in the water…
A certain brand of bottled water, maybe..
The Democrats did not get the ACA subsidy extension they were holding out for this time around, but they didn’t come up empty-handed either. They probably won’t ultimately get the subsidies, but unless Thune reneges on the Senate vote he promised, they will compel Republicans to vote against them facing an election year.
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/5599509-democrats-abandon-schumer-strategy/
Abuse of power and violating constitutional rights should be expensive.
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/5601069-police-raid-newspaper-homes/
@13 Hey Donnie, if the court rules you acted unconstitutionally, that says you shouldn’t have done it in the first place and the consequences are on you.
@17 Why the fuck should I care about how things are going in downtown Yakima?
How about empathy for fellow citizens you’ve never met? But you don’t need to tell us you don’t have any. We’ve long known that.
@17 As are my retirement accounts.
They would do even better if people like you voted more sensibly.
https://www.nbcnews.com/business/markets/sp500-stocks-lags-dozens-countries-rcna243088
Besides Veterans Day, November 11th is also important for the 42nd State, as following the ratification of the State Constitution in October, and election of the new state government, President Benjamin Harrison signed the Proclamation making Washington a state on November 11th, 1889. What a way for Washington to end the year after the carelessness that led to Seattle, Ellensberg, and Spokane burning that summer. (One city took steps to prevent another great Fire, 134 years later, looks like it’s still working)
Looks like the vote “counters” at King County elections haven’t quite got the fix in for the election for Seattle’s mayor.
@31 Been eating slugs?
Senate Republicans have named their price for extending ACA subsidies.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/republicans-demand-tougher-abortion-restrictions-extend-obamacare-fund-rcna243206
By the way, will MAGA Mike finally swear in Rep. Grijalva? Seems he has to, if he reconvenes the House to vote on ending the shutdown. Will he continue the shutdown to keep the Epstein files secret?
If the Democrats win a House majority in 2026, Jeffries should refuse to swear in at least one Republican for the same number of days that Rep. Grijalva was kept out, because what’s good for the goose is good for the gander.
#goosegander
32 – No, just remembering!
just remembering!
Dino 4-time Lossi… still butthurt after all these years..
@34 Remembering what? John Carlson’s lies about the 2004 election? Be careful how you reply, because I was an eyewitness to the recounts and know firsthand what did and didn’t happen.
With the Kraken game tonight, they are honoring the late Lenny Wilkins just before the anthem. Would love it to have been the Sonics, not that team in OKC.
@35 The 2004 election was decided in the ballot curing process. State law allows voters whose ballots lack a matching signature to “cure” their ballots within a certain amount of time after the election by submitting a signature card. The Democrats mobilized roughly 6,000 people statewide and obtained roughly 1,100 signature cards, which yielded a little over 700 valid votes for Gregoire. The Republicans were late at organizing a ballot curing operation, and lacked the Democrats’ manpower, so they collected only 200-plus signatures yielding valid votes for Rossi. Gregoire won by 129 votes (this was changed to 133 votes by forum-shopped Chelan County Superior Court Judge Bridges in the election contest lawsuit brought by Republicans). So why didn’t Rossi’s 200-plus cured ballots overcome Gregoire’s 133-vote margin? Because Rossi’s lawyers made a legal tactical decision to not submit them. They were arguing to the state Supreme Court that Gregoire’s cured ballots shouldn’t be counted, a case they lost, and thought their argument would be stronger if they didn’t ask election officials to count Rossi’s cured ballots. The Gregoire campaign had nothing to do with this tactical and legal mistake, it was entirely the fault of the lawyers the GOP paid roughly $2 million to represent them in the post-election legal challenges. There was no ballot box stuffing, there were no illegally “found” ballots, only a batch of 40 or so inadvertently misplaced legitimate ballots in King County that wouldn’t have changed the result one way or the other. Rossi lost because his own side decided the cured ballots, included his own, were illegitimate and Washington’s courts disagreed. He did have more valid votes than Gregoire but it was Republicans who set aside over 200 of them — what would have been a winning margin.
It’s also worth noting that in the 2008 rematch between Gregoire and Rossi, Gregoire decisively defeated Rossi by a margin of 53% to 47% and over 194,000 votes.
There were two recounts in 2004. Initially, Rossi led by 261 votes, which triggered an automatic machine recount under state law. After that recount, Rossi led by 41 votes. There is no law-mandated hand recount in Washington, but candidates can request one if they front the costs, which is refunded if the hand recount changes the results. The Democrats put up $730,00 for the hand recount.
Recounts typically pick up ballots the previous count missed for various reasons. This ballots are legitimate, but may have been rejected by the optical scanner machine because of tears, stains, or stray marks. Usually both candidates end up with a higher vote total after a recount. That was the case after each of the 2004 recounts.
Parenthetically, the hand recount was conducted in the same building where King County detectives questioned Green River Killer Gary Ridgway. I didn’t see that room; it was in the basement. The recount room was on the ground floor, and the Republican and Democratic lounges were on the second floor. The building is on East Marginal Way and overlooks Boeing Field. At one point during the hand recount, Vice President Cheney’s plane (Air Force Two) was parked on the opposite (I-5) aid of the field.
The counters were selected from lists submitted by the parties and were paid $12 an hour. Most were just ordinary folks looking to make a few extra bucks. The hand counting procedure worked as follows. A Democratic-designated counter and a Republican-designated counter sat at a table and were given a box containing a precinct’s ballots. Observers watched from behind rope lines. Counters and observers weren’t allowed to talk to each other, and no cellphones were allowed in the counting room. Each counter individually counted and tallied all of the precinct’s ballots. Their totals had to match exactly; if they didn’t, the ballots were given to another counting team.
This process was repeated at least three times for every King County precinct, and some precincts were counted seven times, by different counting teams. The counters could, at their discretion, question ballots and set them aside; these ballots weren’t counted at that time, and instead were sent to the county canvassing board for determination, which decided whether to disqualify or count them. It was a simple process but eliminated counting mistakes, and I feel comfortable saying the hand tally in King County wasn’t off by a single vote. I forget how many ballots were sent to the canvassing board but I believe it was over a thousand.
Most of Washington’s other counties finished their hand recounts in a day or two. King County, with its larger voting population, needed about two weeks. I was standing next to Dean Logan and half a dozen other people when the totals were posted on a chalkboard, and because King County was the last county to report these were the final results, except for the King County canvassing board. At that point, statewide, Gregoire was ahead by 8 votes. At the canvassing board, Gregoire netted 121 more votes than Rossi, bringing her margin to 129, which included the cured ballots.
The Republicans then brought an election contest lawsuit, as provided by Washington election statutes, in Chelan County, a Republican stronghold. The judge there, Judge Bridges, ended up disqualifying 4 votes for Rossi and otherwise upheld the county election offices’ totals, which expanded Gregoire’s margin from 129 to 133.
Afterward, Republican partisans liked to claim that “Rossi won twice.” He didn’t. There is only one election result in any given election, and that is the final certified result. Preliminary results simply don’t count, either legally or in any vernacular sense. That was entirely a semantical invention that had no basis in law or election practice. It was propaganda, nothing more.
I can also categorically state that neither Chris Vance, the GOP party chair at the time, nor John Carlson, the rightwing talk show host who put out a lot of propaganda and disinformation about the 2004 election, ever set foot in either building and never observed one minute of either recount, so they had no firsthand knowledge of what occurred in the recounts (spoiler alert: observing the counting was about as exciting as watching paint dry). (The first recount was in a difference building, on 1st Avenue South near the West Seattle Bridge).
I know a lot about how elections work, among things having been a precinct worker, an observer, and receiving training as a voting rights attorney. I was there for both recounts, dawn to nighttime, every day. I’m not sure what our friend @34 thinks he remembers, but I’m guessing he wasn’t there and is only remembering the GOP sour-grapes lies and propaganda about that election. There was no funny business, it was above-board and kosher, and Gregoire legitimately won that election, although Rossi would have won if his lawyers hadn’t discarded over 200 countable ballots because they didn’t think cured ballots should be counted, a point on which the Washington Supreme Court disagreed with them.
39)I forget, wasn’t the deposit refunded because it changed the results7
Katie Wilson is tantalizingly close to above an auto recount margin.
That would make Bruce, or his private club he steered tax money to or some Amazon exec have to pony up for a recount.
Just wondering about the midterms.
Is exploding American’s health care premiums to demand Abortion bans:
A: winning
B: Losing
strategy. Extra credit if you cite Kansas in your response.
35, 36, 38, 39:
King County Elections was successful in stealing the election in 2004, and they will fight among themselves to determine until they determine who will be Seattle’s mayor in this most recent election.
@40 Yes.
@43 Whatever you say, son. It’s a free country and you can believe whatever you like, but I’m won’t waste my time arguing with people who make up their own facts.
@41 He’d be wasting his money.
https://www.king5.com/article/news/local/seattle/seattle-mayor-election-latest-results/281-f8acc122-8f02-4e15-b12e-3cc8da96b2ba
I agree. If there are only a few ballots left to count or cure, Wilson’s lead is too large to overcome with a recount, which wouldn’t shift the result by more than a few dozen votes.
You mean to tell me that we can’t chant USA USA USA USA USA to greatness? We aren’t great!? And to bring America to greatness we need foreigners? They stealing the jobs!
Do we have too many heterosexual Neanderthal White Male Incompetents to not do a job?
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/trump-calls-h-1b-visas-necessary-bring-certain-talents-says-us-lacks-rcna243367
21 years without a single bit of evidence is a long time to cling to a lie.
Have you considered therapy? You can even do it via Zoom now.
Two emails from the estate of Jeffrey Epstein are now public.
Both are between Ghislane and Jeff.
In one Jeff explicitly states then just racist real estate developer Donald Trump knew about the girls contradicting statements made by the now president that he had no idea.
In the other Jeff explicitly states then just racist real estate developer Donald Trump spent hours with one of the girls at Jeff’s house contradicting statements made by the now president that he never visited Jeff’s house.
I wonder what’s in those Florida Department of Justice and FBI Files about Trump and his pal?
I wonder why Republicans are keeping them top secret!
The entire republican party is engaged in a coverup of the most notorious child sex trafficking ring in world history.
I wonder why?