“Barack Obama calls it spreading the wealth, Joe Biden calls higher taxes patriotic, but Joe the plumber and Ed the Dairy Man, I believe that they think that it sounds more like socialism,” Palin said. “Friends, now is no time to experiment with socialism.”
Bernanke said Monday that economic recovery would depend greatly “on the pace at which financial and credit markets return to more normal functioning” and said Congress should consider ways to encourage lending in any package.
“If Congress proceeds with a fiscal package it should consider including measures to help improve access to credit by consumers, homebuyers, businesses and other borrowers,” he said in his prepared remarks.
The central bank chief said in the slowing US economy consumption was falling, confidence was low and the housing market still depressed.
“The slowing in spending and activity spans most major sectors,” he said.
Clearly the McCain-Palin campaign’s sole purpose at this point is to heighten the stupidity of what Atrios always refers to as “our stupid discourse.” Because nobody who has the slightest idea what is going on in the real world can take seriously Republican claims about “socialism” when a former head of Goldman Sachs is advocating for massive demand-side spending. The traditional media would be doing its job to point out the absurd nature of the McCain-Palin attacks.
At some point a half-truth or quarter-truth or one-eight truth starts to become a bald-faced lie, at least in the reality based community. Without some sort of effort to shore up the consumer economy, a recession will likely be very painful, to put it mildly.
As always with the current incarnation of the Republican Party, hating the dirty hippies is far more important than any actual policy prescriptions. If they can’t keep “spreading the wealth” to fund vinotherapy for corporate executives, they’ll throw a series of massive temper tantrums.
While the initial (and horribly flawed) $750 $850 billion bailout was “government by Dow,” McCain-Palin represents the possibility of government by pique. It’s a pathetic and troubling spectacle to see the McCain-Palin campaign thrashing about hoping for a “game changer” when their only hope was to level with the American people.
John McCain is not a stupid man. He must know that something has to be done about the larger economy, so for him to countenance these ridiculous statements by his running mate puts him at risk of losing whatever shred of credibility he still possesses.
I wanted to give McCain a break a while back when he appeared to be signaling to his supporters that they should stop acting like a bunch of middle school students (apologies to middle school students everywhere,) but it appears that was a temporary blip or something. It looks like McCain wants to go down dirty. So be it. The historians can sort it out, if they wind up caring who McCain was.
The election is happening now in Washington state, so as always urge all your progressive friends and neighbors to get those ballots mailed back (except, of course, where you still have those old-fashioned voting thingies, I think they are known as “polling places.”)
George W. Bush- America’s number one socialist.
Hey wingnuts,
Paulson and Chimp face has committed your country to 5 TRILLION of “socialism”.
http://www.nytimes.com/imagepa.....APHIC.html
Sheesh.. Socialism for those YOU worship – the rich and well-connected.
from Balloon Juice:
Socialist: raising the top tax rate from 35% to 39%.
Free-Market: nationalizing the banks, massive investment in insurance agencies, limiting certain types of trades, raising the debt ceiling, and promoting government investment into stocks and bonds. And an emphasis on Red States.
It’s all so clear now!
Is Socialism in Deuteronomy?
One of my favorite experiments when taking with self-described conservatives is to slip in a word they do not know and then use the word in a derogatory way.
Deuteronomy works well . except with the best of fundies.
“Have oyu heard that a boys scout troop was found committing Deuteronomy in public?”
I have4 had minutes of conversation about what needs to be done to extirpate this vile behavior from the scouts!
Orwell though this sort of thing would come from Big Brother. Remember “Newspeak?” The totalitarian government of 1984 transformed “Peace” into “War,” and “War” into “De fence.”
What Orwell missed was the modern phenomenon of media using newspeak to manipulate the public. When I was kid, “new improves” sold a lot of Tide. Now, the Rovistas use the same technique to transform everything from “right to life” to “socialism.”
Sadly, they are not alone. Last week at DL I talked with Nancy N, spokesperson for I-1000. Talked? That is an exaggeration. She has redefined terms like “suicide” to a point that would have been entirely familiar to the interrogators in Orwell’s novel.
Maybe we need a national Academy of the American Language comparable to L’Académie française, is the official state authority on the French language? Then we can redefine terms! How about:
abortion ==> choice?
democracy ==> freedom from corporate political control?
patriotism ==> love of the American ideals of opportunity and equality?
american ==> the immigrant society united by shared ideals.
unamerican ==> religious and racial bigots.
or .. would this be another socialist idea?
I’m not too keen on this “socialsim for the wealthy when things get bad, and free enterprise for everyone else.” That baliout should have never been enacted.
Part of capitalism is failing sometimes and succeeding in other times.
Of course obama’s statement about “spreading the wealth” was taken out of context.
Of course obama doesn’t want socialism.
Now all we have to do is convince these obama supporters that it’s not true.
I like the part where the college girl says she supports obama policies and she “needs the money.” And like a good college student is fine with socialism.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgtij3dE10A
@6 Stamm
The arrogance of simplicity in McCain’s campaign frightens me.
What the fuck does he . or you . mean by “socialism?”
All I, or most patriotic Americans care about, is this country and its historic commitment to equal opportunity for all. There is not now and never has been a commitment to the idea that untrammeled private property is an end of its own. In a sense, the Revolution was fought to free America from European concepts of hereditary privilege. From the extremes of their political spectrum, from Jefferson to Adams, there was shared understanding that they were building a society where everyone could achieve.
I see little difference between Republican ideas of corporate privilege and Tory ideas of the natural rights of the Aristocracy.
So, help this poor Jew out, tell me which of the following is socialist? which is American?
free schools
a right to health care
the opportunity to own land or other means of production?
With the exception of health care, these were all goals of the American revolution and, given today’s costs, I am sure Jefferson and Adams would want to level the playing field for health care too!
I absolutely hated the ‘bail-out’, but the alternative would have been worse for the world’s economy. Capitalism means we have to have failures to clear the deadwood out of the markets.
Nobody should be too big to fail. And nobody should be bailed out because they have friends in high places. Friends like Chris Dodd, Barack Obama and John Kerry, the top three recipients of donations from FM.
Frank Raines and Jim Johnson should be breaking big rocks into little rocks, but instead they’re advising Obama on economics.
Jamie Gorelick has screwed this country in TWO major disasters, pre-9/11 Intel and the FM meltdown. She should be banned from any further government positions as a danger to national security.
Chuck Schumer blabbed about the on-going investigation of IndyMac so his buddies could scoop up the remains after the inevitable run on the bank.
Anything Maxine Waters has ever said, besides “hello” and “good morning”, are straight from the Marx/Lenin playbook.
@7
free schools – Public education is a rather socialist concept, it’s not a bad idea until you force kids into crappy schools with no way out. I have seen both private and public school teachers and the difference is astounding. Half the public school teachers should be fired and their salaries paid to the other half.
a right to health care – I’m sorry, when did health care become a right? It’s part of the social compact we live by, that ER’s will take your diseased carcass and fix you if you are destitute. Ditto Public Health services and 911 and police and fire, but all of those are hallmarks of civilization, not ‘rights’.
the opportunity to own land or other means of production? – Not socialist at all until somebody wants to “spread the wealth around” and takes it away.
All the talk about socialism and marxism is just another red herring so we can focus on name calling instead of facts and issues. If you don’t have a clear policy prescription to fix an issue, the politics of the day dictate that you start making specious arguments about the other guy.
@8 Read Naomi Klein’s “The Shock Doctrine.” http://www.naomiklein.org/main
You may not agree with some of what she says as you’ll likely have heard all about how she’s a marxist whatever too.. But read and consider. I think you’ll find you come out on the same side of a lot of issues.
Another example is http://thinkprogress.org/2008/.....t-fascist/
This killed me.. Larson doesn’t even know what fascism is.. “Spreading the wealth” is just negative spin to feed the superficially intellectual mouthpieces like this Larson guy. A sensible tax policy gets the country moving, loosens the credit markets, and gets capital in the hands of those who use it in a stimulative manner is not a bad thing.
@9. delbert
Did I say “public schools?” I support use of public funds to support divers schools, BUT, this is a far cry from our system where the affluent get to choose their schools by choice of where to live or by buying a place at Lakeside.
When the founding fathers wrote the Declaration and the Constitution, medical care was largely ineffective but very cheap. Today, in a society based on opportunity, if you do not assure equal access to medical care there can not be equality of opportunity.
There is nothing wrong with wealth, as long as it does not interfere with the ability of the bulk of society to compete. So, if you own the only electric company in Seattle, sorry bubba but I am gonna make you a public utility.
As for spreading the wealth, why not? Is there some intrinsic good in taking from the middle calss to make the rich richer?
8 – So many right wing lies and myths it’s barely worth commenting.
One thing:
And nobody should be bailed out because they have friends in high places.
Like Bear Stearns, a significant contributor to McSame, bailed out by the Fed to be palatable to JP Morgan.
“John McCain is not a stupid man”.
Stupid is as stupid does, Bubba. The tongue waggin’ jack ass is out shouting scandal in regards to O’s September donation haul.
McCain’s campaign tactics are not gaining them any voters. This idiotic clap-trap only serves to stimulate the brain stem party base American fascists.
Apparently, to the Republican leadership it’s “socialism” if the resources of government are brought to bear to keep the middle class working in meaningful jobs, keep roofs over the heads of common folk and help the poorest of the poor keep body and soul together, but it’s not “socialism” to pour hundreds of billions of dollars into the financial industry so its executives can continue to live like royalty.
Make sure you drop your ballot in a secure mailbox. Don’t leave it in your street mailbox, or you may get both your ballot and your mailbox vandalized by those who think the right to vote is a privilege that should be granted only to their friends.
There’s gonna be a shit of a recession for the simple reason this country’s wage earners have been living beyond their means (for the simple reason real wages are falling) and you can’t keep borrowing more and more and more to continue buying things you can’t afford. So America’s wage earners have to ratchet back their spending to what the wage level is in this country now, and that means we’re all gonna live like they do in Mexico.
Delbert,
“It’s part of the social compact we live by, that ER’s will take your diseased carcass and fix you if you are destitute. Ditto Public Health services….”
Agree about the social compact part. So tell me why are we currently doing it so stupidly?
“…the opportunity to own land or other means of production?”
Tell it to the Native Americans. Look. These ‘opportunities’ are codified into rules created by government to begin with. Currently these rules favor the wealthy few.
You support that, right?
A Republican thinks “socialism” is a tax cut that benefits anyone making less than $250,000 a year.
Btw, speaking of socialism, show me a farmer and I’ll show you someone who’s getting government handouts. So, if Palin wants to complain about “spreading the wealth” she might want to pick someone other than Ed the Dairy Man to make her point. You know what I mean — farm subsidies, milk price supports, rural electrification, and all that other socialist stuff.
@19 America’s Most Important Socialists:
Archer Daniel .. state corporate farms
Blackwater … modern version of the Hessians
Perot, Inc .. his EDS made all it money selling computer services to Uncle.
Boeing
defense contracts
state bank
heck, lets nationalize Starbucks and get it over with!
I suppose even fascist fucktards need a bit of education too:
a right to health care – I’m sorry, when did health care become a right?
Officially that occurred when the United States of America co-signed the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (see Article 25). US Constitution-wise, both the Fourteenth and Ninth Amendments would be inclusive of a right to equal access and distribution of health care services.
I wonder if all this fear talk of socialism, will actually lead to a better understanding of it, and the adoption of it’s better aspects? Law of unintended consequences?
And the biggest socialist state is…
Alaska!
“Most Alaskans will soon get a check for $1,654, their share of the state’s oil riches, Gov. Sarah Palin announced in Valdez.”
“About 600,000 men, women and children are eligible…”
articles.latimes.com/2007/sep/20/nation/na-briefs20.s1
“Revenue officials…expect the state’s spending money will add up to $8.6 billion by the end of the fiscal year on June 30 – about 90 percent is from oil.”
And of course with the latest Palin taxes added…
“Fifty-eight percent of the total revenue is from the new oil tax. Passed in special session last fall, the new tax, with its so-called progressivity factor that kicks in extra revenues when prices are high, brought in $780 million more than the tax it replaced.”
http://www.juneauempire.com/st.....7988.shtml
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
refers to a broad set of economic theories of social organization advocating state or collective ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods, and the creation of an egalitarian society.[1][2] Modern socialism originated in the late nineteenth-century working class political movement. Karl Marx posited that socialism would be achieved via class struggle and a proletarian revolution which represents the transitional stage between capitalism and communism.
Yup, that sounds about like O-blah-blah, especially when you consider Obama’s mentor’s famous quote:
– Norman Thomas, 6-time Presidential Candidate for the American Socialist Party.
At least in Europe, folks freely admit they are Socialists. You KLOWNS hide and even feign offense when the truth is revealed.
It’s OK to be a Socialist.
It’s not OK to pretend you aren’t one.
McCain should have launched this long ago.
He waited too long.
@21
You stupid git.
Amd. IX – The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
Amd. XIV – Due process et al.
The UDHR, art. 25 does say “Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for…”
The first two don’t apply at all. The third says you have right for ACCESS TO health care, not that health care will be free.
We provide emergency health care through ER’s in this country. We provide public health services. We provide the CDC for large scale issues.
We should not go down the British path like their NHS. Imagine the hospitals being run by the DMV with all the compassion of the IRS.
SJ–
Spreading the Wealth Around is the essence of Socialism.
Like Obama’s other mentor Karl Marx spewed:
From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs.
You KLOWNS can scream and rant & rave all you want…those are quotes and by his actions, O-blah-blah seems to believe it.
One might consider Cynical’s mentor’s famous quote:
“When you grow up on a farm in Georgia, your first girlfriend is a mule.”
Neal Horsely
The CYNICAL KLOWN can scream and rant & rave all he wants…he still fucks farm animals.
“The rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer” is a myth and a harmful one at that.
The rich ARE getting richer, but the poor are getting richer too, just not as fast. It’s not fair, nor should it be. The rich may be lucky or they may work their asses off.
If I risk what I can scrape together to start a business, I should be rewarded if it is successful. My risk, my reward, not yours, not the governments, aside from taxes, of course.
Bill Whittle said it best:
http://www.ejectejecteject.com.....00056.html
28. Steve spews:
Notice how Steve in his panic at being unable to address my posts about the TOPIC OF THIS THREAD which is SOCIALISM, quickly dives into the only thing he knows anything about.
Obama is a Socialist..BY DEFINITION>
Why just not say it??
Because of what Norman Thomas advised him!
@30 Delusional. And boring. Go back to talking about your hens.
31. Steve spews:
Steve continues his perfect record of absolutely ZERO content!
Don’t you ever have a coherent thought steve?
I don’t count animal fornication obsessions as coherent thoughts.
All you do is clog up the thread.
Even the folks from the Left must find you to be a boring, insignificant putz.
Good Old ZERO-CONTENT, Animal-Lovin’ Steve!
@ 32
If Steve’s comments have zero content, then why are you responding to them? Wouldn’t your time be better spent trying to mend the equivocation in your arguments?
Oh, that’s right. Any attempt to mend the equivocation would result in a rather uncompelling argument. Never mind. Go back to bashing Steve.
@32 There’s nothing I would ever bother discussing with the likes of you fascist America-hating traitors other than your goatfucking ways. Call it zero content if you wish. I couldn’t care less what you think about that or anything else.
Chew on this–
Obama is a LIAR!!
Obama Praised ‘Searing and Timely’ Book by Ayers
Barack Obama once gave a glowing endorsement of a book by former domestic terrorist William Ayers and was mentioned by name in the book itself.
FOXNews.com
Monday, October 20, 2008
Barack Obama provided a glowing endorsement of a book by domestic terrorist William Ayers in the Dec. 21, 1997 Chicago Tribune.
McCain must have known this was coming…which explains why he kept up the attack on Obama/Ayers, even though folks told him to stop.
McCain just roped the dope!
33. Don Joe spews:
Bashing Steve??
I made my argument…and laid out my case to support it.
What did you just say Don Joe??
Ummmm, nothing other than shallow, unspecific unsolicited & undesired advice. Bad Try.
Steve obviously represents your idea of a real 2008 Democrat…especially the goat stuff.
Why would you come to Steve’s defense??
Silly man.
@35 Is that all you have? What a joke.
@36 Don Joe does not defend me, you stupid fuck. Go back to your delusional posts about your make-believe stock trades and bragging about your 38 chickens, you fascist loon. I’m sure you believe those are posts of social import and substance.
Ya know I like Joe Biden unleashed.
Why would he say 6 months into a Obama Administration he’ll be tested?
Cuz Obama’s weak, untested, no backbone, makes stupid comments about the world and even Joe Credit Card Biden knows it’s true.
@ 36
I made my argument…and laid out my case to support it.
And the argument’s patently equivocal, as is readily apparent to anyone who comprehends the point of Jon’s post.
Oh. I’m sorry. You don’t get it. Thought you did.
I’ll see if I can make this simple:
Government buying equity stakes in banks == socialism.
Middle-class tax cuts != socialism.
Well, that is, unless you play semantic games with the meaning of the word “socialism”.
Watch the video. It was an obama supporter.
You figure it out what the obama supporters mean.
Do you mean like the liberal supreme court ruling in the Kelo case?
Free schools? Are you working for free? Didn’t think so. Someone is paying for those “free schools.” Is there any mention of education in the constitution? Why not? Oh yeah, the founding fathers knew it was best left to the local level.
Of course you have a right to health care, why should you have to pay for mine by threat of force of the government. Or do you mean free health care. Which again is paid for by someone else not getting the service.
Do you not own your own home, or in the process of owning it? Are you going to sign it over to me, so like the free education and free health care I can get something for free while you work to pay for it.
@25: Delbert
We pay about double for health care compared to the next highest country. We pay more for drugs than any other country (see the corporate drug lobby and the bills passed by the republican congress). We pay more for inefficient “insurance” corporations than any other country. For our hard earned money we get: a health care system that ranks in the middle to lower third of even the comparably costing systems. We are not getting our moneys worth and the system is getting worse. Benefits keep decreasing and companies can’t compete internationally when they have to pay the benefits and coporations in other coutries don’t.
Our health care system stinks! It is overpriced, wasteful and the beauracracy is worse than the DMV. I don’t know of a single Canadian that would trade their system for ours. Most of the Canadians I know look at us like we are insane for living in a 19th century system, where even if you have health care it doesn’t cover things when you need it for and if you have a pre-existing condition – forget it – you can’t even get health care.
Are you going to pay the price I want for the business I invested all my hard work and life savings in or just take it by the force of government?
Because the people who preach it don’t really mean it.
Send me a check, spread your wealth.
Hey mr lawyer/judge/carrot thief,
Can you point me to the law that says it’s a right to vote?
It’s so strange that people that are liberal are afraid to admit they are liberal.
That those that believe in socialism refuse to admit it.
Compared to hannity/rush that have no problem calling themselves conservatives.
What is it about being liberals/socialist that they have to hide from.
Why can’t obama wear his political beliefs as proudly as rush? What is obama afraid of?
the sockpuppet of bibigoober is a one trick pony.
He’s unable to talk about issues so he talks about the only thing he knows best.
Maybe they share the same fantasies??
Don ho wanted to kick my ass a while back, he ended up talking about his friends being seals. I thought it was quite pathetic that he would talk about his imaginary friends in a public forum. Hhmm, maybe don wasn’t talking about navy seals, he was probably talking about real seals.
Either way, don ho decided not to back up his tough words. Typical, talk tough behind the keyboard.
Like I said yesterday Obama is going to win hands down. The government will end up owning all property and assets. You will receive a computer chip in your hand or head so they can track your every move financially and personal travel. There is your socialist government and your mark. Then Armageddon.
And then there’s the military. The biggest welfare program in the history of humankind.
Biden’s boneheaded speech is causing a lot of commotion:
Joe “the Idiot” Biden spews:
You KLOWNS had your fun with Palin but here is your guy….turning a sure thing into a slugfest! It’s like Obama-Biden had McCain-Palin totally on the ropes….and Biden turns around & punches Obama in the face. He’s my kinda KLOWN.
*Admitted multiple Plagarizer
*Lies about his helicopter being forced down in Afghanistan by enemy gunfire when John Kerry WHO WAS WITH HIM says NO, it was forced down by bad weather.
*Lies about being in the midst of enemy shelling while in Iraq when in reality the shelling was 50 miles away!!
Great V-P…..Liar, just like Obama!
AMERICA’S JUDICIAL SYSTEM NEEDS ……C*H*A*N*G*E …….
SENATOR OBAMA PLEASE LET THIS COUNTRIES VOTERS KNOW YOUR FEELINGS AND THOUGHTS ABOUT A NEEDED FUTURE REPAIR AND RENOVATION OF OUR BROKEN JUDICIAL SYSTEM THAT CONTINUES TO ALLOW THE EXECUTION’S OF EVEN POSSIBLE INNOCENT AMERICAN’S LIKE TROY DAVIS OF GEORGIA ?????
BEING THE WEALTHIEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD SENATOR OBAMA, DON’T WE NEED AS THE LEADERS OF THE FREE WORLD TO BEGIN ONCE AGAIN TO RE-INVEST THE PROPER MONIE$ IN OUR OWN US JUDICIAL SYSTEM, ASSURING ALL OF OUR CITIZENS THEIR RIGHTS TO FAIR TRIALS WITH PROPER LEGAL REPRESENTATION ???
DOES GOD NEED TO LOBBY OUR US CONGRESSIONAL LEADERS OF THE FREE WORLD ON BEHALF OF OUR poorer american’s SENATOR OBAMA,OR ARE YOU WATCHING OUT FOR THEM ?? ***OUR US CONGRESS CONTINUES TO DENY MIDDLE CLASS AND WORKING POOR AMERICANS PROPER LEGAL REPRESENTATION EVEN THOUGH WRONGFUL EXECUTIONS & FALSE INCARCERATIONS CONTINUE ALL ACROSS AMERICA ???
*** 700 BILLION $$$ AVAILABLE FOR US BAILOUT, & NO $$$ FOR ALL POORER AMERICANS PROPER LEGAL REPRESENTATION ? SENATOR OBAMA, THIS JUDICIAL INJUSTICE HAS BECOME AN AMERICAN ART FORM, AND NO LONGER CAN BE KEPT HIDDEN OR SECRET FROM THE AMERICAN PEOPLE EVEN IF CERTAIN (501c3) U$ RELIGIOU$ LEADER$ HAVE BEEN $ILENCED ??
LETS ALL HOPE OUR MEDIA FRIENDS CONTINUE TO SHOW AN INTEREST IN REPORTING ON THIS AMERICAN HORROR FACING THESE (TENS OF THOUSANDS) FORGOTTEN AND TRAPPED POORER AMERICANS, AND HOW THIS PRESIDENTIAL CONTENDER HANDLES THIS VERY SERIOUS ISSUE FACING AMERICA’S LATINO AND BLACK AMERICAN COMMUNITIES ????
WITH 80% OF THE BLACK AMERICAN VOTERS SAYING THEY SUPPORT SENATOR OBAMA IN THIS PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION, IT IS ONLY FAIR FOR EVERYONE TO KNOW PRIOR BEING ELECTED OUR NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES HOW THIS DEMOCRATIC SENATOR TRULY FEELS ABOUT THIS AMERICAN JUDICIAL INJUSTICE CONTINUING TO INFLICT GRAVE HARM ON THE BLACK & LATINO AMERICAN FAMILIES AND THEIR COMMUNITIES NATIONWIDE ??????
*** WHEN GOD’S FACE BECAME VERY RED *** THE US SUPREME COURT GAVE ENEMY COMBATANTS FEDERAL APPEAL HC RIGHTS LAWYERS AND PROPER ACCESS TO US FEDERAL COURTS,AND POORER AMERICANS (MANY EVEN ON DEATH ROW) ARE DENIED PROPER FEDERAL APPEAL LEGAL REPRESENTATION TO OUR US FEDERAL COURTS OF APPEAL, AND ROTTING IN AMERICAN PRISONS NATIONWIDE ?????????
**** INNOCENT AMERICANS ARE DENIED REAL HC RIGHTS WITH THEIR FEDERAL APPEALS ! THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE $LOWLY FINDING OUT HOW EA$Y IT I$ FOR MIDDLE CLA$$ AND WORKING POOR AMERICAN$ TO FALL VICTIM TO OUR U$ MONETARY JUDICIAL $Y$TEM.
****WHEN THE US INNOCENT WERE ABANDONED BY THE GUILTY **** The prison experts have reported that there are 100,000 innocent Americans currently being falsely imprisoned along with the 2,300,000 total US prison population nationwide.
***WHERE ARE AMERICA’S RELIGIOUS LEADERS ???????
Since our US Congress has never afforded poor prison inmates federal appeal legal counsel for their federal retrials,they have effectively closed the doors on these tens of thousands of innocent citizens ever being capable of possibly exonerating themselves to regain their freedom through being granted new retrials.
This same exact unjust situation was happening in our Southern States when poor and mostly uneducated Black Americans were being falsely imprisoned for endless decades without the needed educational skills to properly submit their own written federal trial appeals.
This devious and deceptive judicial process of making our poor and innocent prison inmates formulate and write their own federal appeal legal cases for possible retrials on their state criminal cases,is still in effect today even though everyone in our US judicial system knows that without proper legal representation, these tens of thousands of innocent prison inmates will be denied their rightful opportunities of ever being granted new trials from our federal appeal judges!!
Sadly, the true US *legal* Federal Appeal situation that occurs when any of our uneducated American prison inmates are forced to attempt to submit their own written Federal Appeals (from our prisons nationwide) without the assistance of proper legal counsel, is that they all are in reality being denied their legitimate rights for Habeas Corpus with our US FEDERAL COURTS and will win any future Supreme Court Case concerning this injustice!
For our judicial system and our US Congressional Leaders Of The Free World to continue to pretend that this is a real and fair opportunity for our American Middle Class and Working Poor Citizens, only delays the very needed future change of Federal Financing of all these Federal appeals becoming a normal formula of Our American judicial system.
It was not so very long ago that Public Defenders became a Reality in this country.Prior that legal reality taking place, their were also some who thought giving anyone charged with a crime a free lawyer was a waste of taxpayers $$.
This FACADE and HORROR of our Federal Appeal proce$$ is not worthy of the Greatest Country In The World! ***GREAT SOCIETIES THAT DO NOT PROTECT EVEN THEIR INNOCENT, BECOME THE GUILTY !
A MUST READ ABOUT AMERICAN INJUSTICE:
1) YAHOO 2) GOOGLE
MANNY GONZALES THE KID THAT EVERYONE FORGOT IN THE CA PRISON SYSTEM.
** A JUDICIAL RIDE OF ONES LIFE !
***Someone please tell our US Congress that the GED degree that Manny Gonzales acquired in prison is not a LAW DEGREE !!!!!!
lawyersforpooramericans (at) yahoo.com (424-247-2013)
AMERICA’S JUDICIAL SYSTEM NEEDS ……C*H*A*N*G*E …….
SENATOR OBAMA PLEASE LET THIS COUNTRIES VOTERS KNOW YOUR FEELINGS AND THOUGHTS ABOUT A NEEDED FUTURE REPAIR AND RENOVATION OF OUR BROKEN JUDICIAL SYSTEM THAT CONTINUES TO ALLOW THE EXECUTION’S OF EVEN POSSIBLE INNOCENT AMERICAN’S LIKE TROY DAVIS OF GEORGIA ?????
BEING THE WEALTHIEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD SENATOR OBAMA, DON’T WE NEED AS THE LEADERS OF THE FREE WORLD TO BEGIN ONCE AGAIN TO RE-INVEST THE PROPER MONIE$ IN OUR OWN US JUDICIAL SYSTEM, ASSURING ALL OF OUR CITIZENS THEIR RIGHTS TO FAIR TRIALS WITH PROPER LEGAL REPRESENTATION ???
DOES GOD NEED TO LOBBY OUR US CONGRESSIONAL LEADERS OF THE FREE WORLD ON BEHALF OF OUR poorer american’s SENATOR OBAMA,OR ARE YOU WATCHING OUT FOR THEM ?? ***OUR US CONGRESS CONTINUES TO DENY MIDDLE CLASS AND WORKING POOR AMERICANS PROPER LEGAL REPRESENTATION EVEN THOUGH WRONGFUL EXECUTIONS & FALSE INCARCERATIONS CONTINUE ALL ACROSS AMERICA ???
*** 700 BILLION $$$ AVAILABLE FOR US BAILOUT, & NO $$$ FOR ALL POORER AMERICANS PROPER LEGAL REPRESENTATION ? SENATOR OBAMA, THIS JUDICIAL INJUSTICE HAS BECOME AN AMERICAN ART FORM, AND NO LONGER CAN BE KEPT HIDDEN OR SECRET FROM THE AMERICAN PEOPLE EVEN IF CERTAIN (501c3) U$ RELIGIOU$ LEADER$ HAVE BEEN $ILENCED ??
LETS ALL HOPE OUR MEDIA FRIENDS CONTINUE TO SHOW AN INTEREST IN REPORTING ON THIS AMERICAN HORROR FACING THESE (TENS OF THOUSANDS) FORGOTTEN AND TRAPPED POORER AMERICANS, AND HOW THIS PRESIDENTIAL CONTENDER HANDLES THIS VERY SERIOUS ISSUE FACING AMERICA’S LATINO AND BLACK AMERICAN COMMUNITIES ????
WITH 80% OF THE BLACK AMERICAN VOTERS SAYING THEY SUPPORT SENATOR OBAMA IN THIS PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION, IT IS ONLY FAIR FOR EVERYONE TO KNOW PRIOR BEING ELECTED OUR NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES HOW THIS DEMOCRATIC SENATOR TRULY FEELS ABOUT THIS AMERICAN JUDICIAL INJUSTICE CONTINUING TO INFLICT GRAVE HARM ON THE BLACK & LATINO AMERICAN FAMILIES AND THEIR COMMUNITIES NATIONWIDE ??????
*** WHEN GOD’S FACE BECAME VERY RED *** THE US SUPREME COURT GAVE ENEMY COMBATANTS FEDERAL APPEAL HC RIGHTS LAWYERS AND PROPER ACCESS TO US FEDERAL COURTS,AND POORER AMERICANS (MANY EVEN ON DEATH ROW) ARE DENIED PROPER FEDERAL APPEAL LEGAL REPRESENTATION TO OUR US FEDERAL COURTS OF APPEAL, AND ROTTING IN AMERICAN PRISONS NATIONWIDE ?????????
**** INNOCENT AMERICANS ARE DENIED REAL HC RIGHTS WITH THEIR FEDERAL APPEALS ! THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE $LOWLY FINDING OUT HOW EA$Y IT I$ FOR MIDDLE CLA$$ AND WORKING POOR AMERICAN$ TO FALL VICTIM TO OUR U$ MONETARY JUDICIAL $Y$TEM.
****WHEN THE US INNOCENT WERE ABANDONED BY THE GUILTY **** The prison experts have reported that there are 100,000 innocent Americans currently being falsely imprisoned along with the 2,300,000 total US prison population nationwide.
***WHERE ARE AMERICA’S RELIGIOUS LEADERS ???????
Since our US Congress has never afforded poor prison inmates federal appeal legal counsel for their federal retrials,they have effectively closed the doors on these tens of thousands of innocent citizens ever being capable of possibly exonerating themselves to regain their freedom through being granted new retrials.
This same exact unjust situation was happening in our Southern States when poor and mostly uneducated Black Americans were being falsely imprisoned for endless decades without the needed educational skills to properly submit their own written federal trial appeals.
This devious and deceptive judicial process of making our poor and innocent prison inmates formulate and write their own federal appeal legal cases for possible retrials on their state criminal cases,is still in effect today even though everyone in our US judicial system knows that without proper legal representation, these tens of thousands of innocent prison inmates will be denied their rightful opportunities of ever being granted new trials from our federal appeal judges!!
Sadly, the true US *legal* Federal Appeal situation that occurs when any of our uneducated American prison inmates are forced to attempt to submit their own written Federal Appeals (from our prisons nationwide) without the assistance of proper legal counsel, is that they all are in reality being denied their legitimate rights for Habeas Corpus with our US FEDERAL COURTS and will win any future Supreme Court Case concerning this injustice!
For our judicial system and our US Congressional Leaders Of The Free World to continue to pretend that this is a real and fair opportunity for our American Middle Class and Working Poor Citizens, only delays the very needed future change of Federal Financing of all these Federal appeals becoming a normal formula of Our American judicial system.
It was not so very long ago that Public Defenders became a Reality in this country.Prior that legal reality taking place, their were also some who thought giving anyone charged with a crime a free lawyer was a waste of taxpayers $$.
This FACADE and HORROR of our Federal Appeal proce$$ is not worthy of the Greatest Country In The World! ***GREAT SOCIETIES THAT DO NOT PROTECT EVEN THEIR INNOCENT,BECOME THE GUILTY !
A MUST READ ABOUT AMERICAN INJUSTICE:
1) YAHOO 2) GOOGLE
MANNY GONZALES THE KID THAT EVERYONE FORGOT IN THE CA PRISON SYSTEM.
** A JUDICIAL RIDE OF ONES LIFE !
***Someone please tell our US Congress that the GED degree that Manny Gonzales acquired in prison is not a LAW DEGREE !!!!!!
lawyersforpooramericans@yahoo.com (424-247-2013)
Strange, I thought after obama was elected all the nations would love us and all come together to sing kumbaya. That is was bush that made the world hate us.
Oh well…
Like biden said in the same speech-
Polling will be down because the world will see what a mistake it was for real americans to let acorn steal the election.
Rush Limbaugh. Michelle Malkin. Congresswoman McCarthy from Minnesota.
The mudslide before the landslide.
I wonder how those Nazi’s from the “real America” will narrow their party’s membership tomorrow?
Fun, fun. F-U-fuckin’A—N
My favorite this weekend….the guy in line for the Palin rally with a toy monkey with an “Obama” t-shirt on, made in communist China, telling the reporter how Obama supports socialism. Um, doesn’t buying all those Communist Chinese goods support communism?
Social scientists say that the under developed mind cannot understand irony.
@ 49
Note the sequence:
I point out that Cynical’s argument is flawed.
Cynical whines, because I didn’t point out how Cynical’s argument is flawed.
I point out the flaw in Cynical’s argument.
Cynical starts talking about Joe Biden.
Typical wingnut. Gets his ass kicked in an argument, and he changes the subject.
Wingnuts! When we say, “You’re an idiot,” it doesn’t mean we’re anti-American. It means we’re anti-stupidity.
I was born in the United States (Alaska), and my parents were born in the United States (Montana and Washington), but one set of my grandparents were not born in the United States (Norway and Sweden). So, even though having been born in her state, I now live, I guess, in a part of the country that is not “pro-American.” Is that because I have immigrant grand-parentage? Is that because I don’t go back several generations like Sarah Putin must? Why is it that those of us in the state of Washington, at least the western half where 80% of us live, are not pro-American? God, she’s an idiot.
@ 57
I keep hearing Sidney Ellen Wade, from The American President asking, “How do you have patience for people who claim they love America, but clearly can’t stand Americans?”
@26. Mr. Cynical
Ignorance is NO excuse. You seem blithely unaware that Karl Marx models now are the core of modern capitalist models (Marchall et al) of how economies work.
As for citing an aphorism.
from each according to his ability to each according to his needs …
Unless you feel that Sarah Palin’s recent child should be abandoned, I assume you agree that Trig should have his needs met even though he can not do productive work?
@38. The Real Puddybud spews:
and tell me, my personal tabby, exactly what challenges do you think would be placed before the highly qualified lady from Alaska? Gee Puddy, I KNOW oyu are more rational than that.
Ad for whether McCain or Obanma is more able to deter a challenge, don;t you think it might depend on which challenge? I betcha the challenge the right envisions is some dumbass military attack .. and invasion of Guyana from Venezuela? a recrudescence of the Hezbollah madness in Lebanon? or howsa about el Qaeda and its allies blowing up the port of Seattle?
If you are confidant that CIC McCain is more frightening to them than is CIC Obama, imagine which of these men is more likely to be able to organize a true coalition to strike back?
@40 Marvin
Who pays for the military? You? Me?
Actually, the constitution does make an effort to guarantee our rights of opportunity. At that time this meant land. Jefferson, Adams, Franklin all saw the future and worked for “free” schools. Yes they did so at the satet level. I see nothing wrong with continuing that idea except that now education, like foreign trade in the 1700s isd a matter of national security so iot is ion all of our interest to see that Mississippi has good schools.
There are three problem with what you say. 1. Healthcare is not a free market in the US anymore than it is in any other country except perhaps China whre only the wealthy can get good care. Is that what you want?
2. I am perfectly willing to pay for my own care bt I want to do so in an efficient manner without subsidizing others. I know of no system other than the Chinese model (shared by other undeveloped countries) that is inexpensive enough for middle class people to get healthcare … do you? 3. If the goal osd America is equal opportunity, how do you achioeve that without schools and healhcare?
Yes I own my home, or most of it. BUT I pay taxes and services that make that ownership possible.
Anhoo boobelah, what is this free shit? Soldiers in Iraq work for you. Do you get their services “free?” My police force works for you too, do you get their services “free?” Oh, and please stop using MY bridges, MY roads, and please refuse any medical care based on MY research.
@42 Marvin Boobelah
I think the answer to this question depends on how your business functions. If you work against the interests of all of society .. e.g. by sending our jobs to China or makign electricity too expensive for me to heat my house, or by selling me defective products then yes we may just take your ptoperty away.
BUT, if you make a buck and your efforts help others do well too, then only a fool would take your property away. The goal should be opportunity for all, not wealth for all.
And just how do you know that? When Warren Buffett endorses Obama is he doing that because he thinks spreading the wealth is a bad idea?
I already do, I pay taxes. And you?
The Republican Sincerity Gap raises its head again:
“Socialist”: A Democrat said something.
“Pro-American”: A Republican said the exact same thing.
Reagan’s Questions still apply (not that Reagan would be considered a Republican these days — he was a Democrat once, and thus suspect):
“It might be well if you ask yourself are you better off than you were four years ago? Is it easier for you to go and buy things in the stores than it was four years ago? Is there more or less unemployment in the country than there was four years ago? Is America as respected throughout the world as it was? Do you feel that our security is as safe? That we’re as strong as we were four years ago? And if you answer all of those questions yes, why then I think your choice is very obvious as to who you’ll vote for. If you don’t agree, if you don’t think that this course that we’ve been on for the last four years is what you would like to see us follow for the next four, then I could suggest another choice that you have.”
@62:
“I already do, I pay taxes. And you?”
Of course he doesn’t. He probably doesn’t think they’re necessary. Like many Republicans, he may well be a Permanent Teenager, convinced the adults are lying about how the rent has to be paid, or the groceries. Obviously, government (and adults) just magically conjures up money when it wants to, and for someone to imply that you get what you pay for is just another way adults keep teenagers-of-all-ages oppressed.
@62 (cont.)
Like the line goes in Pulp Fiction:
“They got a word for ’em, they’re called bums.”