I’ve known fellow blogger Lynn Allen of Evergreen Politics for well over a year, but though we have spent many hours in deep conversation I never knew until now that she was at Ground Zero on 9/11.
Our reaction to the events of 9/11 is very personal for me. Five years ago, I was at Ground Zero, teaching a class in the Marriott Hotel, WTC 3, the third building on the World Trade Center Plaza.
After what felt like a huge earthquake, we were ushered out of the building by the Marriott staff and stood watching in fascination the fire burning in the upper reaches of WTC 1. It was hard to believe the story that was circulating: A helicopter had crashed into the building on this very clear morning. Then we saw the second plane come in, belly angled slightly toward us, and crash into WTC 2. This was a terrorist attack! We bought water and talked strategies for survival. We decided to head toward the Brooklyn Bridge and began making our way through the people running in every direction.
Just as we began going up the ramp to the bridge, WTC 2 collapsed, sending clouds of debris and hundreds of screaming people in our direction. We continued on, single file, covered in a fine, gray dust, like refugees in a war zone. Eventually, we reached Brooklyn and sunshine, and the beginning of a new phase in our personal and national history.
Lynn has an excellent guest column in the Sunday, September 3 edition of the Seattle P-I [“Is more violence and less safety what we want?“], in which she muses on an alternative way we could have responded to the tragedy of 9/11… a path in which we fought to bring the world closer together instead of tearing it apart.
Wow! Lynn nailed it! … Now watch the armchair super-patriots who peddle hate, war, and death pile in here and call her a “traitor” and “un-American” for being speaking out against hate, war, and death.
Of course I’m not a pacifist. We should go after the bastards who attacked us on 9/11 — and kill them! Trouble is … they’re not in Iraq. Starting wars everywhere, with everyone, will only get us in deeper. Mark the Gasbag captured the wingnut mentality well — “kill ’em all!” It does have a visceral appeal to those who think with their viscera instead of a brain. Trouble is, it’s impractical, counterproductive, militarily unsound, and immoral.
But then, isn’t the whole wingnut/cheap labor conservative agenda impractical, counterproductive, unsound, and immoral? Gotta admit, they’re consistent.
The interesting thing about the SurveyUSA Poll is that Cantwell leads McGavick in every demographic category (gender, age, race, education, etc.) and region, and is over 50% in every category except males, where she leads Mike? Cheap Labor by 49%-45%. http://tinyurl.com/qp4bp
Betcha Mike? Cheap Labor won’t carry the waitress vote.
Hey fascist traitors — pick me up by my ears and you’ll find out if I’m a pacifist!
Is more violence and less safety what we want?
By LYNN ALLEN
GUEST COLUMNIST
“The attacks brought up so many questions. Why would people from another part of the world do this? Who was Osama bin Laden and how did he find 19 hijackers to die for his cause? How could they hate us so much?”
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Well, that about sums it up; the important question is what were the terrorists feeling.
That article is the most ridiculous, head-in-the-clouds blather I’ve read in a long time. Lynn’s alternative vision has three components:
0. Photos of the attack on the WTC cause “historical enemies to realize they could live together and resolve their conflicts without slaughtering each other.” This isn’t so much a concrete proposal as a fantasy. Did those pictures make the Tamils and the Sri Lanken government reconcile? Did those pictures cause the Somalian Arabs to stop killing the Somalian blacks? Are those conflicts the fault of Bush’s foreign policy? Oh well, so much for that theory.
1. The West should “provide educational opportunities to Muslims” free of Wahhabist propoganda. Just how does Lynn think countries like Saudi Arabia would respond if the U.S. announced that it wanted to educate their young people as tollerent, secular, progressive world-citizens?
Memo to Lynn: it isn’t right-wing fundamentalist Christians the Islamists don’t get along with. It’s cosmopolitan, feminist secular values that people like Sayyid Qutb most hated. Their strong nativist response against the secular culture of the West is precisely what makes the Islamists popular with the Arab masses. So Lynn will need quite a bit of that military might she doesn’t like to impose this particular piece of her policy.
2. Finally, Lynn proposes that, “as a precaution” in case 0 and 1 don’t work out — I’m glad she recognizes that distinct possibility — we should “initiatiate a massive national energy conservation and alternative energy program.” Lynn probably needs to hear endless, moralizing diatribes and see massive government subsidies to believe that such a program exists, but I’ve got news for her: we already have such a program. It’s called high energy prices and it works much better to incentivize conservation and the development of alternatives than any number of moralistic diatribes and government subsidies.
Of course, Lynn, if you want this program to work even better, you could encourage your party to propose doubling gas taxes and levying a $1/pound CO2 emission tax. I’m sure that would go over well with all the voters who share your vision.
You know the reaction to her column would be much different if she said something like:
1) We should spend billions of taxpayer dollars in Iraq rather than using that money to solve problems here at home.
2) We should blow stuff up.
3) We should make more bombs so the defense contractors can make more money for their shareholders.
4) We should impose our will on other countries. After all, if armed men in tanks came into our neighborhoods, took our businesses, stormed into our houses in the middle of the night, blocked our roads and told us we needed a new government, we wouldn’t mind would we?
5) We should blow MORE stuff up so we can hire Halliburton to rebuild it.
Then the righties would be cheering her on.
I don’t even have to say 9-11 was an inside job, even though there is a lot of evidence suggesting it.
I do know Bush ignored over 100 warnings WE KNOW ABOUT that we were were about to be attacked and didn’t lift a finger. In some cases took people off the defenses, as in the case of the FBI not investigating reports. Ignoring the PDB etc.
I only wonder what warnings Bush’s crime family ignored we don’t know about…….
An almost coherent rant from LeftHisTurdLostHisBrain. No, the problem is not as you say defense contractors, tanks in the streets or Halliburton.
The problem is our society run amok by donk “progressive” values. Let’s discuss what donk think is “progressive”
1.) MTV – Black and some white guys creating music videos with women scantily clad in tank tops & thong bikinis and shaking their “booty” in these “music pieces”. A muslim doesn’t want his son watching or his daughter participating in this filth.
2.) Drug culture – Free flowing drugs for everyone. Drugs are glorified in our movies. Almost every muslim country has the death penalty for dealing in drugs. In America it’s usually a slap on the wrist. NORML wants certain drugs legalized. You can buy “legal” illicit drugs in Dutch “cafes”. A muslim doesn’t want his children doing drugs. American donk “say” they’re against drugs but their donk judges let them go with minimal sentences. I read here in a post the penalty for dealing drugs in Singapore is death.
3.) Child pedophilia – Donk teachers in the NEA are using our children for their pleasure. If it’s a woman she is usually let go for mental problems. If her name is Mary LeTourneau and a repeat offender then the book is thrown at her. Look up what happens to a child rapist in Arab countries. Carlie Bruscia’s killer gets life? Sorry he should be castrated with a dull knife first. Is that what happened to LeftHisTurdLostHisBrain?
4.) Pornography – Oh it’s for adults donk say. A muslim caught with pornography can get whipped or his right hand cut off as punishment. This means someone else will have to feed him.
5.) Crime – In Saudi Arabia I could leave my valuables in an unlocked car with the windows down. The penalty for thievery is the same as #4, your right hand is cut off. American donk judges many times give slaps on the wrist.
6.) Movies – Go to the valley and see the $10 Billion porn industry. Stuff LeftHisTurdLostHisBrain likes to watch since no woman would date him with the thoughts he places on paper. Donk say it’s free expression, they’re adults. A muslim father doesn’t want his daughter caught in that culture.
This difference my donk political enemies is a Wahhabist will die to make sure decadent Western “progressive” culture does not arrive in his country. He will die over here to stop it from spreading. That’s the difference and it’s the donk who just don’t get it. Osama didn’t say he hated fundamental christians, he says he hates the things “progressive” donk hold dear to their hearts. What gets me is Mohammad Atta and his buds visited a Nevada brothel before they did they dirty deed.
Your homework assignment: Search Osama’s pronouncements on the Arab web sites. See what the MSM is NOT telling you. Why? Because if they told you his whole tape you would see whom he singles out and it’s not the fundies headless lucy as you love to call the christian taliban!
We on the right research more than even your great donk AssesHorse professors. You guys live on leftist librul moonbat web sites. The hatred is somewhat discussed in Haaretz or the Jerusalem Post, but you donk don’t read it. If you search Europe, it’s the translated moonbat papers you read! Facts hurt the librul mind!
FBI not investigating reports. – Comment by Facts
Yes I remember the obstructionist wall of Jamie Gorelick where the FBI COULDN’t investigate. Yes that donk wall! Now that’s a fact supporting my position!
Goldie: Since you like to claim your Jewish heritage when it benefits you (view the shiksa posts); why not link to Haaretz and Jerusalem post? Let the donk see the real mindshare battle; let them read the real Arab hatred for leftist activities. Oh wait this just in… … … “That would blow apart the premise for this being a librul moonbat blog”.
Mark The Redneck is not saying blow up every Arab. He is saying blow up every Arab that supports the Wahhabist culture. If you want your woman in a burqa keep up the great “progressive” work. I am sure SgmMac is not going to wear one. I am sure HowCan will not be wearing one. I am sure my woman will not be wearing one. Maybe some donk women, wives of moonbat bloggers would look nice in burqas!
So facts not supporting anything you blog: You are saying Lynn Allen is a liar as she watched Plane #2 fly into the other tower? Just wanted to get this on the record!
Moonbats: Looks like “high” level executive Darcy Burner left Microsoft too early. Being one of those “900 top level executives” (so she said), she would have received a stock award, which,she could use in her race against Dave Reichert. I guess timing is everything, and her timing was really bad.
Shorter WOS: I’m as crazy as the Wahabists even crazier.
Shorter fascistfirst: I’m crazy.
Shorter wingnuts bottomline: Kill ’em all and let whoever sort ’em out. It makes me feel safer and saves me money – I don’t need as much anti-anxiety meds.
” So facts not supporting anything you blog: You are saying Lynn Allen is a liar as she watched Plane #2 fly into the other tower? Just wanted to get this on the record! ”
What I am saying is Bush was warned repeatedly, and did nothing. The evidence supporting this fact would reach the moon. I am saying the person who leased wtc7 told someone to “pull it”, which means demolish in building terms.
I do know that the official story could not possibly be true.
Personally I don’t like it when my leaders lie to me.
What is more important to you? Lying (debatable) about a bj, or WMD’s? Nukes? Anthrax? Terrror ties? 9-11 compliance.
I also know that everything Clinton tried to do was blocked by the Republicans who played politics with every ounce of retardation of their sheep. If Clinton farted, we would have 5 investigations, and 2,500 media outlets saying how bad it smelled in sync with the GOP tallking points memos.
I am sick of Republican hypocrites. I am sick of the fact that there is no accountability, investigatins, or competent leadership. Only lies, deception, shifting the blame, and outright treason. And you traitors eat it up like there is no tomorrow. Bush could club your children to death in front of you, and you would still support him. This is not the mindset of a patriot, it is a zombie. And a traitor.
They said they had to impach Clinton because the pillars of our society demand the president (Clinton) is held to the same standard as everyone else. I guess this does not include Bush.
Hypocrites.
What did the judge rule the other day? How many felonies did the judge rule Bush committed? I heard the number to be 30. At least he did not lie about BJ’s….
11. I took you up on that, MWS. I don’t read it like you do.
Text of Fatwah Urging Jihad Against Americans
Published in Al-Quds al-‘Arabi on Febuary 23, 1998
Statement signed by Sheikh Usamah Bin-Muhammad Bin-Ladin; Ayman al-Zawahiri, leader of the Jihad Group in Egypt; Abu- Yasir Rifa’i Ahmad Taha, a leader of the Islamic Group; Sheikh Mir Hamzah, secretary of the Jamiat-ul-Ulema-e-Pakistan; and Fazlul Rahman, leader of the Jihad Movement in Bangladesh
Praise be to God, who revealed the Book, controls the clouds, defeats factionalism, and says in His Book “But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war)”; and peace be upon our Prophet, Muhammad Bin-‘Abdallah, who said “I have been sent with the sword between my hands to ensure that no one but God is worshipped, God who put my livelihood under the shadow of my spear and who inflicts humiliation and scorn on those who disobey my orders.” The Arabian Peninsula has never–since God made it flat, created its desert, and encircled it with seas–been stormed by any forces like the crusader armies now spreading in it like locusts, consuming its riches and destroying its plantations. All this is happening at a time when nations are attacking Muslims like people fighting over a plate of food. In the light of the grave situation and the lack of support, we and you are obliged to discuss current events, and we should all agree on how to settle the matter.
[Comment: Osama is saying he wants Muslim culture to dominate the Arabian Peninsula. He, reportedly, enjoys MTV and Whitney Houston, but not the stuff he mentions as we go.]
No one argues today about three facts that are known to everyone; we will list them, in order to remind everyone:
First, for over seven years the United States has been occupying the lands of Islam in the holiest of places, the Arabian Peninsula, plundering its riches, dictating to its rulers, humiliating its people, terrorizing its neighbors, and turning its bases in the Peninsula into a spearhead through which to fight the neighboring Muslim peoples.
If some people have formerly debated the fact of the occupation, all the people of the Peninsula have now acknowledged it.
[Comment: Plunder (oil), dictating (propping Saudi Princes, Kuwati Royals), humiliating (some of your laundry list of things I don’t particularly like (I did like “March of the Penguins though, fit here,) terrorizing (seven years of no-fly zone bombings, sanctions causing the death of ½ million Iraqis.)]
The best proof of this is the Americans’ continuing aggression against the Iraqi people using the Peninsula as a staging post, even though all its rulers are against their territories being used to that end, still they are helpless.
[Comment: see comment on terrorizing, above)
Second, despite the great devastation inflicted on the Iraqi people by the crusader-Zionist alliance, and despite the huge number of those killed, in excess of 1 million… despite all this, the Americans are once against trying to repeat the horrific massacres, as though they are not content with the protracted blockade imposed after the ferocious war or the fragmentation and devastation.
So now they come to annihilate what is left of this people and to humiliate their Muslim neighbors.
Third, if the Americans’ aims behind these wars are religious and economic, the aim is also to serve the Jews’ petty state and divert attention from its occupation of Jerusalem and murder of Muslims there.
[Comment: He was already pissed off by Clinton.]
The best proof of this is their eagerness to destroy Iraq, the strongest neighboring Arab state, and their endeavor to fragment all the states of the region such as Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and Sudan into paper statelets and through their disunion and weakness to guarantee Israel’s survival and the continuation of the brutal crusade occupation of the Peninsula.
[Comment: He hadn’t seen nothin’ yet. Georgie and the neo-cons were coming to turn on the gas under jihad more than OBL ever could.]
All these crimes and sins committed by the Americans are a clear declaration of war on God, his messenger, and Muslims. And ulema have throughout Islamic history unanimously agreed that the jihad is an individual duty if the enemy destroys the Muslim countries. This was revealed by Imam Bin-Qadamah in “Al- Mughni,” Imam al-Kisa’i in “Al- Bada’i,” al-Qurtubi in his interpretation, and the shaykh of al-Islam in his books, where he said “As for the militant struggle, it is aimed at defending sanctity and religion, and it is a duty as agreed. Nothing is more sacred than belief except repulsing an enemy who is attacking religion and life.”
On that basis, and in compliance with God’s order, we issue the following fatwa to all Muslims
The ruling to kill the Americans and their allies–civilians and military–is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it, in order to liberate the al-Aqsa Mosque and the holy mosque from their grip, and in order for their armies to move out of all the lands of Islam, defeated and unable to threaten any Muslim. This is in accordance with the words of Almighty God, “and fight the pagans all together as they fight you all together,” and “fight them until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God.”
This is in addition to the words of Almighty God “And why should ye not fight in the cause of God and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated and oppressed–women and children, whose cry is ‘Our Lord, rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from thee one who will help!'”
We — with God’s help — call on every Muslim who believes in God and wishes to be rewarded to comply with God’s order to kill the Americans and plunder their money wherever and whenever they find it. We also call on Muslim ulema, leaders, youths, and soldiers to launch the raid on Satan’s U.S. troops and the devil’s supporters allying with them, and to displace those who are behind them so that they may learn a lesson.
Almighty God said “O ye who believe, give your response to God and His Apostle, when He calleth you to that which will give you life. And know that God cometh between a man and his heart, and that it is He to whom ye shall all be gathered.”
Almighty God also says “O ye who believe, what is the matter with you, that when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of God, ye cling so heavily to the earth! Do ye prefer the life of this world to the hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place; but Him ye would not harm in the least. For God hath power over all things.”
Almighty God also says “So lose no heart, nor fall into despair. For ye must gain mastery if ye are true in faith.”
It’s cosmopolitan, feminist secular values that people like Sayyid Qutb most hated.
When was Qutb here? 1948? When was he hanged? ’65?
Yep, some guys couldn’t handle women’s suffrage or mid-length skirts – some still can’t (like WOS).
WOS stands for Wingnut Obsessions Suck aka MWS.
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That laundry list of yours doesn’t fit in with tbe facts, suckie.
you could encourage your party to propose doubling gas taxes and levying a $1/pound CO2 emission tax.
And credit this against the payroll tax – I’m for it. We need to find an alternative to petroleum. It’s fouling the planet.
MWS @ 11:
I have the solution for you. Move to Saudi Arabia. I will personally pay for your ticket and escort you to the plane.
I will buy you your last beer at the airport and a pair of sunglasses so you are not killed within your first fifteen minutes in your new country.
What you ask?
What am I talking about?
Well, MWS, the moment you are caught looking at a woman, either her husband or her brothers are going to kill you. This is legal there.
You will be alone. You will never be allowed to date, let alone get married (not that any woman would have you).
Provided you live long enough to get to your new home, you will find the TV controlled by the government. You will turn on your computer and find the Internet is filtered and you won’t be able to get to Horsesass.org to even admit you made a huge mistake.
You will wander to the mall to get a book. Whoops, all the books are about Allah. No Dean Koontz here.
All in all, I hope you enjoy your new life free of the freedoms of porn, free press and free speech.
As for the valuables in your car, you won’t have any. You won’t be able to afford them. You will be considered a low level servant.
One last thing. If you were to try to impose these Islamic values (funny, you hate Islamics) here in my country, I would be forced by duty, honor and country to take up arms against you. I like beer. I like my freedom of speech. I like the fact that I get to decide whether or not I look at porn. I like the fact that I can change the TV channel if I don’t like what is on.
So, I have tomorrow free. I can meet you at Sea-Tac. Grab your passport. Ready?
Carl Grossman
Liberal, Democrat and bringing sense to the WingNuts, one deranged poster at a time.
” you could encourage your party to propose doubling gas taxes and levying a $1/pound CO2 emission tax. ”
And you could encourage your party with cuts in fees charged drillers by lets say 12 BILLION, drill and burn every drop of oil as fast as possible, and learn to deal with the consequences of global warming. They could even let the energy companies write the new energy bill, with secret back door White House meetings. They could spend billions/trillions of taxpayers dollars a year securing our supply of imported oil. They could corrupt middle eastern dictatorships and openly help them supress their own people. They could give huge tax breaks to Hummer buyers. Make sure cafe standards are never raised.
Oops, they already did that.
Or we could use alternative energy NOW. Make large cafe standard increases mandatory. A modified Prius goes 50 miles on the battery, and can get 250 mpg. But Exxon does not make any money if we don’t burn their gas…..
If the Energy companies stop making money, they won’t have any to pour into the campaigns of their REPUBLICAN CRONIES.
Wake up and smell the dead people.
Just remember what Colin Powell told Bush. He “Owns Iraq” remember. Since we invaded, we are responsible for their security. Every single death is 100% Bush’s fault for not providing adequate security, much less any plan to provide it.
Retarded Republicans don’t understand this, but 5 Billion Other People do. Including all Democrats, and most Independants.
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Get your own actblue.com pages today, or help me help my favorite candidates, or go to goldie’s actblue page.
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“the important question is what were the terrorists feeling” Commentby americafirst— 9/2/06@ 12:18 am
No, the important question is why haven’t you lame, incompetent, fascist fucks caught Osama? Here’s why:
“I don’t know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don’t care. It’s not that important. It’s not our priority.” — George W. Bush, March 13, 2002
Here is what’s important to Bush and the neoCONS:
Cheap labor
Tax cuts for billionaires
Eliminating taxes on inheritance windfalls
Eliminating taxes on income people don’t work for
Looting Social Security
Cutting waitress wages by $5 an hour
Eliminating the environment
Selling America to the Chinese
Eliminating unions
Eliminating pensions
Eliminating health insurance
Enriching drug companies
Enriching CEOs
Enriching themselves
Starting World War III
Eliminating democracy in the US
Eliminating Democrats
Eliminating balanced news coverage
Eliminating American jobs
Reducing wages for American workers
Eliminating dissent and political opposition
Eliminating the right to vote
and, above all,
Cheap labor
In case I forgot to mention it, the #1 priority of the GOP is …
Cheap labor
What I do is open my actblue.com donation page. When my friends come over, I have them give me cash if they don’t have credit cards, and I put the donation on MY credit card. This works very well. I even get airmiles….
I explain to them how important it is for Peter to win in district 5. McMorris is a Bush robot, and votes against the well being of our state consistantly.
http://www.actblue.com/page/timeforchange
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The GOP/fascist alternative also has three components:
Hate
War
Death
P.S. – why haven’t you fascist incompetents caught Osama? Are you even trying?
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“The problem is our society run amok by donk ‘progressive’ values”
Got one question for ya bud … who’s been running this country for the last 5 years?
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The real problem is that GOP values are running amok …
Lying
Stealing
Corruption
Greed
Hate
War
Death
Selfishness
Dishonesty
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Or maybe her values were really good, i.e., putting public service ahead of personal gain, a concept no Republican has any understanding of.*
* If I want to end a sentence with a preposition, I will; and if you don’t like it, go stuff your dick in an armadillo.
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Gas would cost a lot less today if Gore’s 50-cent gas tax had been enacted and kept the wingnuts from buying all those SUVs. We’d be paying $1.75 instead of $3, and the government would be getting an extra 50 cents, instead of the oil sheikhs and oil companies divvying up an extra $1.50. Thanks, wingnuts — you screwed yourselves. Again.
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I’ll help! You grab his right arm, I’ll take his left arm, and we need two more volunteers — one for each leg. If Customs asks what we’re doing, we’ll tell ’em we’re loading “sensitive cargo.”
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“cuts in fees charged drillers by lets say 12 BILLION”
It doesn’t surprise me they’re giving away oil on public lands owned by all American citizens in common to their energy company pals. After all, they’re ripping us off at the prescription drug counter to help their drug company pals, and they want to give our Social Security money to their Wall Street pals.
Republicans are shameless thieves. These freaks even want to steal the waitress tip jar! May they all rot in Hell.
Interesting facts. So far not amazing! Nothing but retried retread words from Furball. Ooooh Carl the Gross man, posting on your Sabbath. Interesting words for shipping ME TO SAUDI ARABIA. Why not stop using their product OIL TwistedLeftFeet? Walk or ride the bike pal. Then maybe I’ll think about anything you say. Times up.
Garry Guttle: So you looked up one fatwa. Keep on looking!
37.
Well, if you keep piling up attacks and deaths on them, the hatred builds until they hate us for existing. Much as the wingnuts hate them.
” Walk or ride the bike pal. Then maybe I’ll think about anything you say. Times up. ”
Better yet. I bought a Bio-Diesel truck. No more funding both sides of the terror war….
This difference my donk political enemies is a Wahhabist will die to make sure decadent Western “progressive” culture does not arrive in his country. He will die over here to stop it from spreading. That’s the difference and it’s the donk who just don’t get it. Osama didn’t say he hated fundamental christians, he says he hates the things “progressive” donk hold dear to their hearts. What gets me is Mohammad Atta and his buds visited a Nevada brothel before they did they dirty deed.
Commentby Mike Webb Sucks—— 9/2/06@ 8:00 am
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The irony is that we could probably cut a deal with the Islamofascists to stop most terrorism by turning the Bush-hating Christian-hating decadent libs over to the jihadists for throat-cutting. These suicidal moonbats haven’t figured that out yet.
MWS @ 37:
I am not sure you responded to my post. In fact your response was pretty much an incoherent rambling. You suggested in your post that stiffer penalties and morals should be forced on us. I suggested that you would be happier living under the rules you claim to despise. I offered to pay for your trip. How much nicer can I possibly be?
You have never seen me post one word on any topic of conservation. Yet you lump me in with the tree hugging, environmentalist types. (I am not judging here, just trying to make a point). I am concerned about the environment, but I am not consumed by the issue.
You still have not posted where I spoke about John Mark Carr. You make wild accusations (Republican tactic) with no proof (Republican tactic) or evidence (it simply does not exist) and hope some of the shit sticks.
The problem for you is that you are covered in shit. No matter how much you sling my way, you are still the overwhelmingly odiferous pile of shit in the room. Americans see it, the world sees it. The only folks who don’t see it are Republicans.
Now, that said, Go fuck yourself!!!!
Nuff said!
Carl Grossman
Liberal, Democrat
Conservative: One whose view is so narrow minded, his brain has be squeezed out of his head.
PuddyButt/MikeWebbSucks…if the problem that caused 9.11 is child sex predators then I know the answer to solving that problem…locking up all you right wing religious wackjobs who rape kids should put an end to that.
Mike Webb Sucks @ 11
Seems like you admire their views.
Mike Webb Sucks @ 12
Yeah? What have they been doing for 5.5 years?
americafirst @ 40
So you’re just an appeaser, aren’t you?
Gee, all Osama wanted was American troops out of Saudi Arabia, the homeland of Islam. Maybe some filthy liberal scum will suggest appeasing him by remving them.
Oh, right; Bush already did that. I guess he’s a filthy liberal appeaser.
Goldy and Gang one question what is her solution to this problem (VISION)? I can understand her point of view but she does not understand Al Qaeda (VISION) and what in it for her and her friends. If you want to read stories like hers click on the web site posted. “Who was Osama bin Laden and how did he find 19 hijackers to die for his cause? How could they hate us so much?” Now when you visit that web site count how many times the reference Osama bin Laden by name and who they think destroyed the WTC.
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/WTC.htm
You are spreading false hope with bad or invalid information which is not uncommon for those who hate America first, or like in an isolated world. Goldy what has Lynn Allen and her friends done to visit the Middle East and talk to the Al Qaeda about their grievances? Maybe they can talk them into coming to the Pease Table and settle their grievances like those who are Freeing Tibet by displaying a bumper sticker. This problem was around in the 60’s when I was in Libya and will be for many years to come no matter whom is running this Country. Yes everybody has made mistakes but learn from them and move on. Remember that the Democrats have been running this country longer than any other Political power and still did not succeed in fixing the problem. They have yet to present a valid VISION to solve this conflict and sabotage anyone else plans because it was not bless by their Democrat friends. Maybe they should quite poisoning the well with their venom and provide some good leadership on their part to win this conflict. Where is their VISION? Better yet give us their PLAN so their friends the Al Qaeda can kill more women and children. Please don’t forget the TIME table when our military can leave the Middle East for Korea. Yep I smell the stench of a bunch of Girlie Boys trying to be men. FEAR keeps them behind their mother dress. HI Ted Kennedy! Did you get your driver’s licenses back yet? How can you lead a country without a driver license?
“Five years on, I still respond to events spawned by the 9/11 attacks with a heightened awareness borne of my time at Ground Zero. I believe strongly that we have started along that second path of more violence and less safety. Our nation’s leaders have used our natural fear from that day to upend our moral compasses and to convince us that our safety lies in an unending “war on terror.” Under cover of that war, they are whittling away at the constitutional rights upon which this nation was built.
Is this the path we want to pursue? It’s not too late to change direction, to write the alternative story, the one about remembering that we are all interconnected peoples on this planet, that we have far more in common than we have that divides us, and that we don’t have to live our lives in constant fear and shock.”
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Klake has lost it. Smoked too much ganja and crack. That “paragraph” makes my eyes hurt.
LeftHisTurdLostHisBrain: Still calling me someone else. Awwww, poor Turdmeister. You lose your filthy moonbat mind and so you equate me and Puddy?
Back up that accusation. Prove if bozo. I am tired of the moonbats accusing me of someone else.
I am not sure you responded to my post. In fact your response was pretty much an incoherent rambling. You suggested in your post that stiffer penalties and morals should be forced on us. I suggested that you would be happier living under the rules you claim to despise. I offered to pay for your trip. How much nicer can I possibly be? Comment from LeftFeet
No I am not saying we should have stiffer penalties. What I am saying is your “progressive” morals are abhorrent to these Wahhabists and they will die to stop the progression of “progressive” morals. There are people who are against seeing the filth you side loves to throw in people’s eyes and in their veins.
A Republican Conservative would never exhibit poor morals (Cunningham, Frist, DeLay) a Conservative has never looked at porn or been sexually inappropriate (Jim West). A Conservative has never taken drugs or abused alcohol (McGavick).
We are a free people. The Islamo-Fascists hate us for being free. For being prosperous. Your argument that they hate Liberals just won’t hold water. They hate all that is not Islamic. The United States is the target, not Liberals. You Conservatives are single-minded. Crush the opposition, here and abroad, and everything will be better. Well, 60% of America (and rising) is not buying that anymore.
All the praying and shit throwing is not going to change things. You are on your way out, kicking and screaming, but on the way out nevertheless.
Good luck and don’t let the door hit you in the ass.
MWS: I think it’s appropriate to ignore Left Turdball. Naaaaah he’s too easy a target.
MWS/Pussypud:
Try posting on the issues. Answer my post. You two jackasses are masters of avoiding the issue, deflection by attacking the poster.
When you two are done sucking each other off, try addressing an issue. Open debate is good for the Democracy. No matter, come November you will be crying the BLUES.
Freedom of speech. Talk if you wish, otherwise don’t. This means if you don’t like it, don’t read it. If you don’t want to see it, don’t look. There is no room for any censorship in the term “FREE SPEECH”.
Definition of Conservative:
One so narrow minded that their brain has been squeezed right of their head.
right OUT of their head
“Carl”: Why should I answer the inane ramblings of a sick mind?
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