As the state Legislature enters the final days of the session, one of the pressing issues they are addressing is SB 6533, which would provide restaurants a B&O tax credit on fifty percent of the $1/gallon tax on carbonated soft drink syrup?
WTF?
Not only would this tax break drain $10 million a year from state coffers — money that could be used, say… to provide health coverage for 10,000 children — it would incentivize businesses to sell and market a product that is harmful to children’s health.
This is not just a classic example of special interest tax legislation, it is just plain stupid… and the Children’s Alliance wants you to tell your legislators to vote no. They’ve set up a Take Action form that makes it easy for you to send an email to Gov. Gregoire and your own district representatives, asking them to oppose thus unnecessary tax credit. It is always more effective if you write your own personal message in the available field, but all you really need to do is just fill in your address information and click send.
Let’s send a message that if businesses want to talk about tax breaks, they need to do so in the context of broader tax restructuring. I’ve sent my email. Please send yours.
Goldy–
It seems like you presume that every tax already on the books is fair, just & reasonable. I’ll bet lots of folks didn’t even realize their was such a thing as a “Pop Syrup Tax”!
The LEFTIST PINHEADED KLOWN lackofthoughtTANKS are operating at WARP speed to invent new & higher taxes.
I’m sure one thing that will never happen is a tax based on the % of your brain occupied by fecal matter. That would really hit you KLOWNS where it hurts.
Everyone should pay more taxes so that we all can have better lives.
BIAW’s dick never met a consumer protection he did’t want to trash.
rujax–
You are addicted to other people’s money!
Get your own dumbass!
Cynical… what you want to do is pick apart the tax base bit by special interest bit. What I want is a total overhaul… tax restructuring that simplifies the code and makes it fairer and less regressive. For example, the Sims proposal would have eliminated the B&O tax entirely, and replaced it with nothing. I could have supported that within the context of the entire proposal.
So my feeling is, until the business community is willing to sit down and talk restructuring, I wouldn’t pass another tax break. Not a single one.
I EARN my money…”builder’s dick” I don’t have to STEAL it.
rujax–
Guv’mint worker/consultant???
Who are you trying to kid.
Hey bd…your Masters are calling!
I WISH I worked for the Gummint so I could SHUT DOWN prix like you.
This is yet another example of how people don’t understand the cause and effect of their actions, their taxes, or their greed.
These tax breaks enrich only the rich. Removing this particular tax means an increased need for health care funding down the road, while the businesses enjoy their vacations on their profits.
This is similar to what BushCo and Repugs try to do with the WIC program: cut the funding for poor people so that we all have to pay higher health care costs down the road. (btw, the WIC program saves 4-5 DOLLARS in health care cost for ever dollar spent on WIC.)
I think Goldy has a point…restructure the system first, then the tax breaks.
Goldy–
I agree that B&O tax is ridiculous.
I agree that State & Federal Tax Codes must be revised.
I believe in a Flat Tax.
I believe in paying for services received.
I do not believe in using taxes to redistribute wealth.
I believe in PRIVATE organizations providing charity….not the government thry “taxation”.
I believe in calling it what it is…..charity.
When someone pays less than average for basic services, he/she is receiving “charity”.
When someone pays more, they are giving “charity”.
The government is the least efficient, least desirable entity to provide charity. Basic services….infrastructure, safety, defense. Period. Even Public Education has unraveled to the point of being preposterous. Competition is the only answer.
I do not hold the Republicans harmless in the cost & growth of government. Far from it. That is why I do not subscribe to either political party.
It is politically incorrect and might make someone feel bad to point out that they pay $500 in taxes & fees….and receive $10,000 in services….(when their neighbor pays $10,000), that they are receiving CHARITY.
We have created an environment of jealousy and anger. One group feels “entitled”….another group resents being forced to support them.
goldy…….another nanny-state mentality post?
if you are so worried about taxing things that are dangerous why don’t we start with a huge tax on that alcohol you love to suck down every week? because no one, and i mean NO ONE, ever drank a soft drink and mowed down a family of five.
can you say the same thing about your favorite beverage of choice? alcohol?
i would be able to hear you screaming down here in california if they decided to tax alcohol even more than they already do….
WAL-MART PAYS BLOGGERS TO POST P.R. MESSAGES
“Wal-Mart Enlists Bloggers in P.R. Campaign
By MICHAEL BARBARO, The New York Times
“(March 7) – Brian Pickrell, a blogger, recently posted a note on his Web site attacking state legislation that would force Wal-Mart Stores to spend more on employee health insurance. ‘All across the country, newspaper editorial boards — no great friends of business — are ripping the bills,’ he wrote.
“It was the kind of pro-Wal-Mart comment the giant retailer might write itself. And, in fact, it did.
“Several sentences in Mr. Pickrell’s Jan. 20 posting — and others from different days — are identical to those written by an employee at one of Wal-Mart’s public relations firms and distributed by e-mail to bloggers.
“Under assault as never before, Wal-Mart is increasingly looking beyond the mainstream media and working directly with bloggers, feeding them exclusive nuggets of news, suggesting topics for postings and even inviting them to visit its corporate headquarters.
… ”
For complete story, see http://articles.news.aol.com/b.....&cid=
P.S. — Pickrell runs a right-wing (what else?) blog called “Iowa Voice,” and he’s catching blowback for his mercenary activities … he writes today:
“I’m dealing with a bunch of comment trolls and hate mail from liberal/socialist/moonbats, so I’m going to be busy for most of the day. That means I, myself, won’t be posting much today, if at all.
“For the record, I could care less if anyone believes what I wrote here or in other posts. What I wrote is my opinion, and nobody else’s.
I don’t see the story here, really. … In my opinion, it’s not important to the story I’m talking about, really. … If Wal-Mart … had paid me to write those things, that would be a different story altogether. … But they didn’t. … ”
Yeah right. OK, Brian. Whatever.
Well in the interest of charity, let’s make sure the next generations really need more of it, by promoting the industry whose marketing and sales technologies are funded by some of the most sophisticated research available. We can make the product more attractive and cheaper and increasingly more toxic (high fructose corn syrup now attributed to all manner of health issues). And while we are at it, we should enrich that industry at the expense of everyone just for some sort of libertarian decency too. WTF? In a study released yesterday:
NUTRITION SOFT DRINK OBESITY – Soft drinking teens pile on pounds. According to a study released Monday, the number of overweight children is on the rise worldwide and by the end of the decade the number of overweight children will have caused a strain on our health system as they age. It is estimated that just under half of the children in North and South America will be overweight by 2010, up from about 28%. In Europe, about 38% of the children will be overweight, compared to 25% currently.
Dr. James said researchers had analyzed reports from 1980 to 2005 as well as World Health Organization data. They found data for trends over time covering school-age populations in 25 countries and preschool-age children in 42 countries.
In the drinks study, a team at Boston’s Children’s Hospital monitored the weight of 103 teenagers, putting half of them on unsweetened or artificially-sweetened drinks and letting the other half continue to consume sugary drinks. They concluded that a single 330ml can a day of sweetened drinks could lead teens to put on 1lb every three or four weeks.
Well, maybe it’s true that Wal-Mart didn’t grease Pickrell’s palms with silver — they wouldn’t have to. He’s a cheap labor conservative, so he’s on the same page with Big Wally to start with. But there’s this thing called attribution: When you pass off something written by a corporate P.R. department as your own work, you deceive your audience.
It’s called lying.
But then, that’s not news — deceit and lying are SOP for right wing blogs, aren’t they?
It sure is fun to watch these assholes get caught doing something intellectually dishonest, though. We know they’re intellectually dishonest, but still, the world wants proof; and it’s so satisfying to catch them red-handed.
Washington’s tax code is so heavily laden with special interest tax exemptions the earth’s mantle is beginning to buckle under the weight. That was the real cause of the Nisqually Earthquake — the bedrock cracked under Olympia!
These special interest tax exemptions are a major part of the reason why the state tax burden is disproprotionately borne by consumers and small businesses, while big business is lightly tax. Those lacking resources to hire lobbyists and buy politicians get the shaft.
Bills like this make our state tax structure even more regressive. Since it seems to be impossible to control special interest tax breaks, ultimately the only solution is the scrap our tax code and replace it with a fair state income tax.
“We can make the product more attractive and cheaper and increasingly more toxic (high fructose corn syrup now attributed to all manner of health issues).”
I’m not sure if Splenda(R) falls in this category or is a chemical sweetener, but Splenda(R) makes Roger Rabbit violently ill. Every time I’ve eaten a product with Splenda(R) in it, the intestinal cramps were so agonizing I thought I was dying … I’m not kidding. This is the kind of allergy you go to the hospital for … now I read the labels of ALL diet products, ‘cuz I’ve learned from hard experience that I have to avoid Splenda(R) like poison — because to me, it is.
So my feeling is, until the business community is willing to sit down and talk restructuring, I wouldn’t pass another tax break. Not a single one.
Comment by Goldy— 3/7/06@ 12:29 pm
Remove all taxes and replace them with one flat tax. Learn to live within a budget like the working folks. Please include the other seven tribes that run gambling establishments by the Indians.
Hey…
Here’s a situation you should look into Goldy…
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/.....ger07.html
Go after the organization that is reposnsible for this kind of fraud.
Ooopps, that would mean Ron Simms did something wrong, or that our county Government is screwed up
spyder sez:
“NUTRITION SOFT DRINK OBESITY – Soft drinking teens pile on pounds. According to a study released Monday, the number of overweight children is on the rise worldwide and by the end of the decade the number of overweight children will have caused a strain on our health system as they age.”
I don’t think Teddy Kennedy, Greg Nickels and Ron Sims got to be such a bunch of fat asses drinking pop!
Mr. Cyncial @ 22,
I think Ted Kennedy’s beverage of choice is single-malt scotch.
A flat tax is akin to the lottery; it’s for people who don’t understand math.
Unless, of course, you’re wealthy; then you get the math and are happy to pass the tax burden along to the morons who earn less than $250,000 year who think a flat tax is a good idea because Steve Forbes and other wealthy people say so.
Don’t make it more complicated than it really is to understand. Here’s the test:
Wealthy Democrats, especially those in politics are willing to pass legislation to TAX themselves at higher rates (the 1% wage earners).
Wealthy Republicans, especially those in politics are NOT willing to pass legislation to TAX themselves at higher rates (the 1% wage earners).
What’s the difference?
Democrats know their history and understand that concentrations of wealth and power are a threat to democracy.
Republicans don’t give a rats ass about democracy and are operating at unprecedented levels of corruption in government.
I’ll forgo the long list of Republicans, both political leaders and business leaders that are going down the proverbial honesty drain.
Way to stay on point, Yossarian – either you can’t read, or you’re not polite.
In any event Scotch is highly taxed, and per GBS above, Teddy Kennedy probably doesn’t complain about it.
rujax–
You are addicted to other people’s money!
Get your own dumbass!
Comment by Mr. Cynical— 3/7/06@ 12:22 pm
Mr. Cynical, are you prepared to face the reality of the US Government of 2006 under 12 years of Republican Rule? One of the hardest things that many individuals (including myself) have trouble overcoming is in the face of irrefutable evidence; they will make a million excuses because they are unable to deal with the truth that the people they trust are screwing them.
Are the deficits fiction? Did the Democrats create them? Why do you complain about the Democrats in Washington State raising taxes to pay for items the people want; and yet you ignore the Republicans at the Federal Level borrowing money to pay for things the people want? Which is the greater evil?
You claim that you support neither party, but who you voted for determines policy at all levels of Government. I am also an Independent, but I support most of the Democratic Candidates because the majority of their policies agree with my own.
If Dino Rossi and his people ran the State of Washington, yes, there would be tax cuts. But you can damn well believe that there would be no reduction in spending. They would piss the Billion dollar surplus away but would double allocations just to get reelected. And you can also bet that they will make a million excuses (just like their Federal Cousins) why this is not such a bad thing.
Roger – go whine at the Times and PI for running press releases as news items. They do it all the time. It is easier than paying reporters and actually checking to see if the story is true. Every time I see some new scientific study, I just have to check the source of the story, and figure out who is fund raising. Most of the time it is a left wing organization trying to scare us into donating money to their cause.
Between the return of the brain-dead Ghost and the Cynical Irrelevant BOZO, I’m really looking forward to that new software.
Janet S.
“It is easier than paying reporters and actually checking to see if the story is true.
Couldn’t agree with you more. If we had real reporters in the run up to the illegal war in Iraq, we would’ve avoided a disaster. Instead, we have a White House that spends tax payer money on “virtual” news clip and pawns them off as legitimate.
The intelligent design crowd just commissioned a study that proves the world is still flat!
Just thought you’d like to know.
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“I believe in PRIVATE organizations providing charity….not the government thru “taxation”.”
I believe you mean taxation and not “taxation,” correct? That is, actial taxation and not somehitng that is called taxation but iisn’t. Unless you’re making a statement about the so-called “confiscation” that so many of the right use a a pejorative characterization of our elected representatives raising public revenues for public projects as outlined in our various constitutions.
“The government is the least efficient, least desirable entity to provide charity.”
Really? REALLY? You wouldn’t think that Rick Santorum’s “charity,” Operation Good Neighbor, which paid out 40% of what it collected and kept 60% for overhead, just MIGHT be less efficient than the government?
“Basic services….infrastructure, safety, defense. Period.”
Hmmm, whatever happened to “promoting the common welfare?”
“Competition is the only answer.”
So you think that private organizations will compete to serve the most people at the lowest cost? You think private organizations will compete to serve the sickest, poorest, hungriest, most in need, least thankful, non-English speaking, terminally ill drug-addicted among us because if they don’t someone else will jump in and do so? How does that work again? Have you ever heard of adverse selection?
“That is why I do not subscribe to either political party.”
Gosh. You’ve convinced me.
“We have created an environment of jealousy and anger. One group feels “entitled”….another group resents being forced to support them.”
Or, maybe you need to get your head straight about what Jesus meant when he said “Depart from me because I was hungry and you did not feed me, I was thirsty and you did not give me to drink, I was sick and you did not visit me…Whatever you neglected to do unto one of the least of these, you neglected to do unto Me!”
Democrats know their history and understand that concentrations of wealth and power are a threat to democracy.
Republicans don’t give a rat’s ass about democracy and are operating at unprecedented levels of corruption in government.
I’ll forgo the long list of Republicans, both political leaders and business leaders that are going down the proverbial honesty drain.
Comment by GBS— 3/7/06@ 2:51 pm
GBS I have some bad news for you don’t live a democracy but a Republic. This country is run by an elective group and supposes to represent you and your friends.
Your answer to everything Daddy….more government.
People are too greedy & dumb to do the right things.
People who make horrible choices in life should be sheltered from the consequences….over & over again.
Doesn’t work Daddy….never has & never will.
Creating a constituency of folks glued to the trough….producing nothing and demanding entitlements is not healthy….for them or us.
Jesse Jackson has harmed the Black Race more than anyone….beating the drum of Inequity. Beating the drum of Hopelessness without him. Race baiting at every turn.
Couldn’t agree with you more. If we had real reporters in the run up to the illegal war in Iraq, we would’ve avoided a disaster. Instead, we have a White House that spends taxpayer money on “virtual” news clip and pawns them off as legitimate.
The intelligent design crowd just commissioned a study that proves the world is still flat!
Just thought you’d like to know.
Comment by GBS— 3/7/06@ 4:42 pm
GBS are you telling me that the Press and your Socialist Democrats couldn’t think for themselves?
The tax breaks the rich are getting now will “trickle” down to us in the form of our own money being spent by the rich to buy our public lands so the “guvmint”(big business and crooked politicians in league with each other, known in previous generations as “fascism”) can cover the tax breaks for the rich.
It doesn’t take a genious to see that.
Republicans are literally selling us out. We will need to take it all back or accept serfdom.
Whatever school system “klake” went to…he ought to give them their money back. He sure didn’t “get” anything they were trying tpo teach.
“GBS I have some bad news for you don’t live a democracy but a Republic. This country is run by an elective group and supposes to represent you and your friends.
Commentby klake— 3/7/06@ 5:08 pm
My Bitch Blog schedule is full right now, so you have two options.
A):
Stop reading bumper stickers and start reading a dictionary. Specifially look up the meaning of:
Democracy
and
Republic.
This country is both, dumb ass.
OR
B):
Continue to post that we are not a Democracy and instead a Republic. I’ll totally Blog Bitch Slap you later. If you don’t believe me, ask JCH.
Loser.
GBS are you telling me that the Press and your Socialist Democrats couldn’t think for themselves?
Commentby klake— 3/7/06@ 5:11 pm
Please, do you want me to pull up the quotes where reporters and Democrats alike lament believing our president after 9/11 that he was telling us the truth about Iraq.
It’s conservatives who have the honesty problem, not Liberals. Read the news much?
It’s conservatives who have the honesty problem, not Liberals. Read the news much?
Commentby GBS— 3/7/06@ 5:27 pm
gbs honesty does not equal Liberals nor Social Democrats.
re 38: klake: Can you document that assertion or cite some study on the subject or is it more of that stuff you’re always pulling out of your ass?
What does honesty equal to you? You don’t know or care. You’re just a confused man who needs someone to tell him what to think — and you get what you want in double- dose emotional ( not intellectual bites ) from the hysterical right.
You need to study Woodrow Wilson’s presidency to get a historical perspective on today. Why do you think they are using a ‘SEDITION” LAW FROM 1917 TO GO AFTER JOURNALISTS?
Momus Pompous Assus @20
What fraud? All I see is a P-I article about the county firing an incompetent manager. Would you rather they’d summarily fired her, then have to reinstate her with back pay 5 years later because a court found they terminated her without due process?
Hey Momus why don’t you tell us private companies never make hiring mistakes or lose money because of bad managers. Enron comes to mind …
Now Flaky klaky is trying to tell us liberals are liars, and wingers aren’t.
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for the clueless@28 says “Between the return of the brain-dead Ghost and the Cynical Irrelevant BOZO, I’m really looking forward to that new software.”
so…here you are admitting that what liberal democrats really want [and get if they have half a chance …see washington state for reference] is an echo chamber where only their own whiney little voices are heard.
how very interesting and revealing……….
christmasghost-
Clueless is a living, breathing “echo chamber”.
All he cares about is “silencing” the opposition.
I encourage fools like Clueless to keep on talkin’….
Here is the mike and some more rope dude.
At least the Rabbit & Goldy understand the importance of toe-to-toe, hand-to-hand, often uncivil combat in a democracy. Silencing opposing views….Hitler, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Sadaam….Clueless, rujax, bob from boner, headlice et al.
mr. cynical….right on target as usual. glad to see you in such good form. and you are right….goldy does understand [and i respect him greatly for that] that “toe to toe” discourse is all important to a democracy.
what i wonder though is why doesn’t he tell any of his followers?
and i hope they keep talking too.
just like the college students carrying the signs that say “f@#k the army”…..their true colors are really showing now. and i hear howie dean is on a tear to build his little empire. if i were a democrat i would be worried too.
there is a long list of tax breaks they have already agreed to for some farmers (lots of different ones for the farmers), some alternative energy people, and more aerospace companies etc. we have such a lousy tax structure in this state that the only fixes happen around the margins when the very best hand wringers find a way to pig out for a high paying client or two. this is simply another element of the biz lobby threatening to target some legislators with the soda pop tax in the upcoming election and some weak solons taking the bait.
Incoherent Post OF The day!
Klake said
“gbs honesty does not equal Liberals nor Social Democrats.
Comment by klake — 3/7/06 @ 5:45 pm ”
Congrats, klake! You have made the Most Incoherent Post OF The Day!
donna….do you ever have anything of substance to say at all?
just nah nah nah?
typical……
@ 48 Very informative post, XmasG.
Keep up the bad work!
BOZO:
You’ve been name-calling almost from the moment you got here. Put forth a rational cogent argument and you won’t get any objections from me, but there’s no fun in that for you and that’s why I won’t miss you when the community here troll rates you – which is par for the course by the way over at (un)SP.
When all is said and done, HA.org will be the place where liberals congregate to call a horsesass a horsesass. The Republicans who have plunged this country into a needless war in Iraq and loaded our kids and grandkids with an ugly load of debt will have it coming.
You can do your name-calling over at (un)SP.
Ghost:
I don’t see hardly anything rational coming from you. In fact I’ve seen hints at calls for gun violence coming from you. You don’t live here anymore, yet you seem unable to leave this place behind. Bad case of arrested development in my eyes.
clueless……gun violence? oh really? where? i think you mean roger rabbit [click click and all that ] don’t you?
“in your eyes”….doesn’t count for squat in my eyes. you are a fool that can’t even keep people straight. but then you do live in the emerald city so maybe if you click your little heels together three times and say “clueless isn’t crazy” it might come true.
doubtful…but you never know.
honey…no REAL people live there anymore…..grok the fullness of that.
This state does not need a flat tax nor does the US Government. It is past time for Washington State’s regressive tax structure to be replaced with a state income tax on a sliding scale. When I see Bill Gates pay 15% of his yearly income to this state for enabling all of that obscene wealth of his, I will be happy. Until then, the state needs to get the fuck out of my wallet, my purse and my property…………
Ghost:
No I mean YOU. You know where you called for gun violence. Gun violence obviously solves many problems for you and many other people like you. Take a look through any typical week in (un)SP’s comment threads.
Can’t wait till the new software gets here – you can throw your spite and calls to arms from (un)SP.
Roger: Posts 13&14 WTF does it have to do with this thread? Oh that’s right, Goldy gives Roger the dumb bunny another free license pass for thread hijacking. So Goldy, does someone one the right get a free pass for thread hijacking?
Oh damn, momus used our free pass in #21!
Sgmmac: I call for a retroactive tax on all rich white librul donks. Since they want to tax themselves, let them. It can be another Roe Effect! I do support the flax tax as proposed by Steve Forbes!
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Puddy, you support a flat tax? I say let the left pay elevated taxes! Let them support their boondoggle programs. Do you all remember the “Estates of the realm?” Seems to me there is a big push to prop up the third estate by the liberals? But on who’s shoulders?