Our friend Stefan over at (un)Sound Politics is back on his one trick pony again, attempting to fisk fired USA John McKay’s KUOW interview into a display of unabashed hypocrisy.
For his purposes, Stefan presents this quote about WA’s disputed 2004 gubernatorial election:
I personally made sure the FBI was assigned to this case and I won’t go into all the details and I don’t think it’s even appropriate today to do that, but I can tell you that we did a tremendous amount of work to examine all of the allegations. and we determined and in the end I made the decision, which I absolutely stand by, that there was not sufficient evidence to take anyone before the grand jury.
Against this statement about the US Attorney firing scandal:
Yes, of course there is. And people often make a mistake and they assume that circumstantial evidence is not powerful and good evidence. It is, under all of the rules … there are some very troubling pieces of evidence out there … telephone calls from members of Congress related to a specific public corruption case.
Stefan wants to know why “hundreds of illegally counted ballots are not evidence of election crimes, but that telephone calls are evidence of obstruction of justice?”
Hmm. Off the top of my head, I’m just guessing that maybe the difference here is that the evidence of corruption and obstruction surrounding the US Attorney firings have not been criminally investigated yet, whereas both the FBI and the US Attorney’s office thoroughly investigated the circumstantial evidence surrounding alleged voter fraud in WA state, and determined “that there was not sufficient evidence to take anyone before the grand jury.”
How many times does McKay have to say it? He investigated the evidence. The FBI investigated the evidence. And they did not find sufficient cause to empanel a grand jury.
I know it is hard for Stefan to accept, but a Republican King County Prosecutor, a Republican Secretary of State, a Republican US Attorney, and a Republican judge in a Republican county all failed to find sufficient evidence of fraud or corruption. Furthermore, a Republican state Attorney General has publicly stated that Gov. Gregoire won that election under the statutes in place… statutes Republican gubernatorial nominee Dino Rossi had voted for just a few years prior, while serving as a Republican legislator.
No doubt Stefan has evidence of something. Mistakes. Errors. Whatever. But I hope he understands if I choose to accept the determinations of professional judges, prosecutors and investigators over the conspiracy theories of an amateur dick like him.
The last thing the Snark should be worried about is close elections.
Baaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa.
That last blue wave was just first tast of what next years Tsunami is going to be like.
Surf’s UP!!
One hopes that the likes of this transvestite-looking punk Steffy is the best the Publicans have to offer in 08 in WA. Remember when those asswipes Carlson and Wilbur were trying to make the gas tax into a ref. on the Governor’s alleged illegal victory — OOPS that didn’t work out so well. Keep running on that WE WAS ROBBED strategy Publicans – PLEASE!
@ 2:
You mean that “how can we afford those new TAXES of 9 1/2 cents spread out over 3 years?”
While gas has gone up $2.00 per gallon since the start of the Iraq war.
Wilbur and Carlson . . . sheeez, those two loser who love Tim “horses ass” lie-man!!
Dorks.
Stefan’s paymasters want him to keep the story alive, as it’s rapidly becoming their only hope for toppling Gregoire in the 2008 election.
Stefan wants people to think that he is independently wealthy and that he runs his right-wing blog because he really, truly believes in his issues, not because he is a hired mercenary who is doing it for bucks.
No doubt he will come on here and say I’m a liar. Who cares what he says? He’s the one spreading the lie about voter fraud.
Now that McKay has been fired and a new Bush-friendly US Attorney is on the scene, no doubt all of Stefan’s allegations will be investigated ASAP, right?
Wrong. They won’t be because Stefan has nothing, and to investigate would reveal that, and they don’t WANT to reveal that. They just want to keep it out there as if there was something to it.
Stefan’s steadily dwindling little cult might believe him, but the rest of the state has moved on, and is tuning him out. Even Pope is tuning him out.
goldy….read your blog’s comments above [like you don’t already, HA!]……..and you wonder why no one takes you seriously?
especially this one…on top of your over the top use of foul language again :
“One hopes that the likes of this transvestite-looking punk Steffy is the best the Publicans have to offer in 08 in WA. Remember when those asswipes Carlson and Wilbur were trying to make the gas tax into a ref. on the Governor’s alleged illegal victory —”
whew…..i wonder why the NYT wasn’t interested???
it’s a thinker alright………
and why transvestite??? i thought you peeps were the VERY MODELS of tolerance? so why do you always call people you disagree with: gay, transvestites, retarded, on drugs, alcoholics [DRINKING LIBERALLY ring any bells for you schmos?] ad nauseum…….
once again…it’s a real thinker……
Well I hope that none of you nay sayers ever gets convicted of say “murder”. We could use your type of Justice. You have served 2 years of a life sentence, your DNA proves you are innocent. BUTTTTTT we can’t go back and re examine, bring forth new, or defer to any of the old evidence. WE STICK WITH WHAT THE JUDGE RULED. GUILTY…..
The judge in chelan ruled according to the EVIDENCE presented to HIM in court at that time ……Mckay has the latitude to go beyond that evidence, and look into more if he choose too. He didn’t.
I guess that is called liberal justice.
kiroking…yup, you hit it right on the head. they are just warming up to TRY and protect gregoire’s large backside because they know she is toast in the next election.
governor rossi has such a nice ring to it too…….
Christmasghost:
Look, we recognize that Mr. Esser’s minion posts stupid stuff just so that others like you and Mr. Sharkansky can re-post them as the voice of “real Democrats”.
Mr. Minion has been doing this for some time, whenever he’s not trying to get Christians, Jews and anyone to the right of Noam Chomsky to vote Republican. Heck, he’s come out and told me and others to switch several times, figuring that we’d actually be fooled that he speaks for Democrats.
He also works very hard to make sure that any Republican that posts here is not simply beaten up for his views, but that both the poster and his/her family are so insulted that no rational argument could possibly reach them. Gotta keep those Republicans in the fold, after all.
Any Democrat would be happy to argue the issues, and Mr. Minion apparently feels that we might actually convert a few of you, so he makes sure that they don’t stick around long enough to understand our points.
We’re not stupid enough to fall for it. Why are you?
7 It’s disappointing to see Christmas Ghost, who has at times appeared to exhibit some degree of openness and even a sense of wit, lapse into the neoconservative affectation of chanting the same lies over and over again in hope they’ll become the truth.
To tell you the truth, if I was forced at gunpoint to choose a Republican to vote for for Governor, from what I know now I’d pick Carlson over Rossi.
Artfart:
While Mr. Rossi made a good show of moving towards some reasonable positions during the election, knowing what I know now about both of those candidates, I’d have to give serious thought to the third option.
Some things are worth taking a bullet for.
john….that ad didn’t work out for you?
on another note…. have you heard of s-l-a-n-d-e-r?
you have a business to protect and unless you can PROVE that someone is working as a “minion” for someone else you are skating pretty close to the line here.
do you even know dino rossi for instance? no….didn’t think so.if you actually did you wouldn’t make stupid comments like the one you just did….IN PRINT.
your inane comment “knowing what I know now about both of those candidates…”
you mean rumors and gossip like old goldy posts here? that is knowing nothing toots……….
or perhaps you heard it from one of the members of the chinese government that “banned goldy”, hmmmmm?
art, my dear, i am not the one parroting talking points from the king of seattle’s liars and self aggrandize-rs ,goldy, am i?
come on…you know better than that……..
and i find you amusing too…
Goldy’s perfectly capable of aggrandizing himself without my help.
Johnboy is so busy sucking Publican cock he wouldn’t recognize a real Democrat if one married his daughter.
Governor Gregoire’s approval numbers are twice as high as monkeyface Bush’s approvals. That’s got to hurt the right wing turds’ feelings. HE HE!
RightEqualsStupid says:
One hopes that the likes of this transvestite-looking punk Steffy
Transvestite? I thought you libs were all about tolerance.
My bad.
Did Jack Burton get banned?
re17: No. He’s come clean an admitted he’s really Burt Ward. Here’s a photo:
http://www.robintheboywonder.com/robinb_w_7.html
art and right…i tell ya, hell must be freezing over because i agree with you both.
now…how weird is that? LOL.
well, right, with one HUGE exception. do you know what they say about a person who compares a governor’s ratings with a president’s ratings?
DUM DE DUM DUM DUM………..
apples and oranges don’t even begin to touch it.
now, if the governor in question WAS actually running for president…it might matter. but, really, in this case, can you get any sillier than that?
and ,btw, congress and bush seem to share the same low ratings…interesting, no?
Lucy,
BASIC RESEARCH, you idiot!!!!!!!!!
http://www.wscff.org
http://www.leoff.wa.gov
So @ 6 and @ 7- if there is this compelling evidence out there, why isn’t our Republican Attorney General pursuing it? Why hasn’t McKenna taken up the call to arms?
A lie often repeated does not become truth. The election was not flawless. It also was not fraudulent.
Christmasghost @ 12
“on another note…. have you heard of s-l-a-n-d-e-r? ”
Ummm…you need to look up the definition of slander, Ghost. (Slander is oral defamation–you meant libel.)
“you have a business to protect and unless you can PROVE that someone is working as a “minion” for someone else you are skating pretty close to the line here.”
You seriously believe that referring to someone as “Esser’s minion” rises to an act of defamation??????
I can understand how associating someone with Luke Esser might be considered nasty, but only an idiot would believe that rises to defamation.
Best wishes in getting your meds properly adjusted.
Sometimes circumstantial evidence leads only to a wacko conspiracy theory. This is especially likely to happen if you’re a wacko looing for a conspiracy.
looking
Oliver Wendell Holmes famously wrote, “Even a dog knows the difference between being stepped on and kicked.”
Too bad Stefan isn’t as smart as a dog.
GHOST – IT’S GOING TO BE REALLY SWEET WHEN CHRISTINE GREGOIRE TROUNCES BIAW TOOL ROSSI IN 2008.
WE’LL BE MAKING THE “EAT IT” GESTURES TO YOU DOWN THERE IN YOUR PALACE IN CAAALEEFUURNEEA.
Stefan’s steadily dwindling little cult might believe him
GHOST – THAT WOULD BE YOU AND KIROKING.
@1 Republicans are hard at work making sure we never have a close election in this state again. At the rate they’re going, they’ll be lucky to get 35%.
@3 Since pump prices are determined by supply and demand, and are a form of rationing, if the state wasn’t getting that 9 1/2 cents the oil companies would. Gas taxes don’t raise gas prices, and cutting gas taxes wouldn’t save consumers a penny.
@4 “Stefan wants people to think that he is independently wealthy”
Well, he is. He’s living off his lawyer wife’s paycheck. He’s a gigolo — a kept man.
@5 Yeah, our behavior has deteriorated here on HA. We all talk like Republicans now. What can I say? The Republican trolls are a bad influence.
@6 “Kiroking says: Mckay has the latitude to … look into more if he choose too. He didn’t. 05/11/2007 at 2:58 pm”
Bullshit! He did. And that’s the whole fucking point.
This case was thoroughly investigated by the FBI and McKay, who worked on it personally and also assigned four staff attorneys to it, and they found NO CRIME WAS COMMITTED.
What part of that don’t you understand?
You’re nothing but a wingnut bullshitter blowing brain farts out of his ass.
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NBC News reports Gov. Jim Gibbons (R-NV) is under investigation for taking expensive gifts in return for helping a contractor get lucrative federal contracts while serving as a congressman.
@7 BWA HA HA HA HA HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR
ghost, you oughta go on Saturday Night Live with that act!!!
@10 So would I. Carlson is an idiot, but he doesn’t drool over a boss who robs widows and orphans.
@12 Now Xmasvapor the Amateur Lawyer thinks calling someone a “minion” is slander. (snicker)
BWA HA HA HA HA HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR
ghost, you definitely belong on Comedy Central!
Hey gost, you’re a minion!* Sue me.
* I have no idea what it means, but it sounds good.
@20 Gee, ghost, the Publicans ran a hate-filled slander campaign against Gregoire accusing her of stealing the election and you expect it to have no effect on her approval ratings? All it provies is their PR consultants are better than their lawyers.
In truth, there was fraud and perjury in King County in 2004 in the election. The Publions submitted 1,200 perjured declarations to stop 1,200 registered voters from voting.
OK, so now we have the answer to the question… “How many times can you use the word ‘Repulican’ in the same paragraph with the phrase ‘Gov. Gregoire won the election'”
Oh man, where was that paragraph when I needed it?!?
Dave, you are my hero!
First, if someone held a gun to my head and forced me to vote for any Washington State Republican for governor, I’d tell the asshole to pull the fucking trigger.
As for our half a CoulterGeist, remember that this is the same person who both chastised me for using the word “welcher” and offered up the word “piker” as a substitute. It’s OK to insult people from Missouri, but not OK to insult people from Wales. I wouldn’t expect anything remotely resembling coherence from our Spirit in Residence.
Roger Rabbit says:
This case was thoroughly investigated by the FBI and McKay, who worked on it personally and also assigned four staff attorneys to it, and they found NO CRIME WAS COMMITTED.
05/11/2007 at 6:14 pm
Mr humping ass,
Please site your references for your post. Include all evidence, names of the 4 attorneys ect.
Awaiting patiently……
Goldy – Please take the time read all of Stephan’s posts about the Governor’s election problems. When you understand those problems from a non-partisan point of view, you will understand where Stephan is coming from. Until you have that understanding about totally open and accountable elections you will never have the full understanding that Washington needs totally open and honest elections that can be accountable to third party FOIA requests. If you believe that then we can put Stephan out of a job!
Wow, here’s Goldy, of all people, being generous to Republican hardliners:
“…but a Republican King County Prosecutor, a Republican Secretary of State, a Republican US Attorney, and a Republican judge in a Republican county all failed to find sufficient evidence of fraud or corruption.”
Actually, they all failed to find ANY “evidence of fraud or corruption.” Judge Bridges’ ruling and Mr. McKay’s public statements agree, completely and unequivocally, on this point. Anyone who wants evidence of wrongdoing in that election should go ask Dale Foreman for it, since he stated, in open court, that such crimes had happened. Oops, Mr. McKay did indeed ask Mr. Foreman, and still Mr. Foreman would not (i.e. could not) produce ANY supporting evidence.
I can’t wait to see the true believers in the Great Fraud of 2004 start their campaign against our Attorney General, Mr. McKenna. Obviously, if they’re correct (and they are; just ask them!), then he’s refusing to investigate a clear case of electoral fraud. They cannot allow such a scofflaw, such a public shirker of his sacred duty, to continue in office, now, can they?
When you understand those problems from a non-partisan
INDEED. ONE CANNOT POSSIBLY CONCLUDE THAT SHARANSKY’S DISHONEST, DEMAGOGIC, LUNATIC RAVINGS ABOUT THE 2004 ELECTION CONTEST WERE ANYTHING BUT “NON-PARTISAN”.
@42 “First, if someone held a gun to my head and forced me to vote for any Washington State Republican for governor, I’d tell the asshole to pull the fucking trigger.”
Not me! I’d grab the gun and blow HIS fucking head off.*
* Just kidding! Borrowing from wingnut humor ala Coulter. But I’m serious about liberals not being passive targets for rightwing attacks and taking the offense against these bastards.
Christmasghost stated:
Actually, the ad worked very well, especially considering the cost.
It’s down right now because I figured everyone was tired of seeing the same one, and I’m having technical problems uploading the new one. The ad server keeps telling me that my “creative is too high”.
I’m not sure whether I’m being complemented or not, but either way, I’m working on putting up another one.
First, that “minion” comment was pretty obviously not directed at you, unless of course you are the person posting under the handle “rightequalsstupid”. While I have a low opinion of your politics, I do not have an equally low opinion of your basic honesty.
Next, you might want to check the definition of the word “minion”. It means “An obsequious follower or dependent; a sycophant.” Yes, I called rightequalsstupid an obsequious follower of Mr. Esser. He’s welcome to take whatever legal action he deems appropriate, but that would mean that he has to identify himself. Somehow I’m not too concerned that he’ll sue me, especially as I have all those wonderful posts and threats of his available.
(As I made, and make no claim to knowledge that Mr. Esser personally made or ordered Mr. Minion to post his disgusting tirades, I’m pretty safe there.)
His posts are apparently designed to drive people away from the Democratic party and to prevent moderates and conservatives from entering into constructive dialog that might bring them around to our positions.
So, Mr. Minion he is and will remain. Others may think that the term also applies to you, but I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and hope that, follower or not, you still have the ability to think for yourself.
goldy,
how do we know mcKay investigated the election? because he told us so? gee, give me a break. i’ve heard or seen nothing about the scope..when, what
@43 “Please site your references for your post.”
Read a fucking newspaper once in a while.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.c.....ay13m.html
Also learn how to spell “cite” retardo.
@49 Wrong one: Listening to the likes of Sharanksy, Carlson, Vance, et al., is what’s known in the fiction-writing trade as “suspending belief.”
My response to #43 is in filter hell. It starts out, “read a fucking newspaper once in a while” and provides a cite (not “site”) as requested by the nonbeliever.
These wingnut fuckers would deny the existence of meteorites after one hit them on the head.
Me:
Assuming that you are the same poster that has used that handle in the past, I would have to point out that Mr. Sharkansky is hardly looking at this from a non-partisan perspective.
He and his followers have tried to promote various “fixes” to the election system, but oddly enough, they always end up looking like attempts to keep people, mainly from demographic groups that tend to vote Democratic, away from the polls.
I can agree that there are some people that are honestly concerned about vote fraud, although I think those concerns are misplaced and mainly the result of folks like Mr. Sharkansky fanning the flames.
Nevertheless, I can also agree that some actions should be taken to prevent vote fraud. Two reasons.
1) We can do so cheaply, easily, and in a manner that doesn’t disenfranchise the poor and homeless. I’ve suggested using thumbprints, and I’m sure that there are also other methods that would work. (Oddly enough, the neo-cons really don’t like the thumbprint idea. They’d prefer an easily forged “photo id” that takes weeks to get and costs a considerable amount.) We can put an end to the issue and take away one of their favorite talking points.
2) More importantly, every time the neo-cons start to complain about something, it turns out that they are the worst offenders. I’m not sure what those folks are up to, but I am sure that I won’t like it.
@24;
‘looing’ is actually appropriate. Most conspiracy theories are crapola.
52 It’s known to the rest of us as “wasting time”.
Roger, you disappoint us; no mention of what McKay did to check on the fraud allegations; miscounting, undercounting, over counting
I heard some immigrants had their voting rights denied; that is conservative immigrants, now citizens were undercounted because while they live in the boondocks, all the Cap Hll, Wallingford types got 3x the relooks by dean and bobbie..
how come you all want to stuff the ballot boxes, then your manchurian candidate boy McKay won’t do his job
Yipes; all we have to rely on that the election was proper is assertions by Ron sims….
give me a break
WRONG FUCKING IDIOT @ 58
YOUR GD REPUBLICAN LAWYERS WITH 2 MILLION PLUS OF CASH COULDN’T PROVE JACK SHIT BEFORE BRIDGES AND YOU STILL BELIEVE THE BALLOT BOXES WERE TAMPERED WITH?
GET COMMITTED BEFORE YOU HURT YOUR YOURSELF.
Oh,God, Dear God, I hope WrongOne has something to say about the GOopPer strategy for Washington Governor. . .With his help, we might beat that sterling effort they gave us with Ellen Craswell. . .
Could you believe Gregoire with over 63 per cent of the vote?
Can you just try to imagine a more bankrupt political strategy in this state than attacking John McKay?
WrongOne, By aligning yourself with Karl Rove in sliming John McKay, you are displaying the sort of contagious moral leprosy that will bury the WaGOP for a generation to come.
Way to Go!
WrongOne, RUN TO THE RIGHT! RUN TO THE RIGHT! Don’t think about it, RUN TO THE RIGHT! That’s Ellen Craswell’s territory.
LMAO!
What does the verb “to fisk” mean: as in “…attempting to fisk fired USA John McKay…” ?
Au contraire, Goldy. Judge Bridges *did* find evidence of fraud.
Why else did he deduct votes from *Rossi*’s total?