A caller to the show last night seemed unconcerned with the government snooping into every aspect of his personal life. “I’ve got nothing to hide,” he told me, insisting that secret wiretaps and other intrusions were a small price to pay during “a time of war.” Of course the Bush administration and its strongest backers expect the war on terrorism — or “The Long War” as some administration officials have frighteningly called it — to go on indefinitely, resulting in an indefinite suspension of some of our most basic personal liberties… rights like habeas corpus, which actually predates our Constitution.
Well, for those who are less sanguine than my caller about our ever eroding civil liberties, an anonymous guest column in this week’s Washington Post is a disturbing illustration of how our government’s expanding program of secret domestic spying intrudes on the personal lives of average, law abiding citizens.
Three years ago, I received a national security letter (NSL) in my capacity as the president of a small Internet access and consulting business. The letter ordered me to provide sensitive information about one of my clients. There was no indication that a judge had reviewed or approved the letter, and it turned out that none had. The letter came with a gag provision that prohibited me from telling anyone, including my client, that the FBI was seeking this information. Based on the context of the demand — a context that the FBI still won’t let me discuss publicly — I suspected that the FBI was abusing its power and that the letter sought information to which the FBI was not entitled.
Rather than turn over the information, I contacted lawyers at the American Civil Liberties Union, and in April 2004 I filed a lawsuit challenging the constitutionality of the NSL power. I never released the information the FBI sought, and last November the FBI decided that it no longer needs the information anyway. But the FBI still hasn’t abandoned the gag order that prevents me from disclosing my experience and concerns with the law or the national security letter that was served on my company. In fact, the government will return to court in the next few weeks to defend the gag orders that are imposed on recipients of these letters.
Living under the gag order has been stressful and surreal. Under the threat of criminal prosecution, I must hide all aspects of my involvement in the case — including the mere fact that I received an NSL — from my colleagues, my family and my friends. When I meet with my attorneys I cannot tell my girlfriend where I am going or where I have been. I hide any papers related to the case in a place where she will not look. When clients and friends ask me whether I am the one challenging the constitutionality of the NSL statute, I have no choice but to look them in the eye and lie.
I resent being conscripted as a secret informer for the government and being made to mislead those who are close to me, especially because I have doubts about the legitimacy of the underlying investigation.
[…] I recognize that there may sometimes be a need for secrecy in certain national security investigations. But I’ve now been under a broad gag order for three years, and other NSL recipients have been silenced for even longer. At some point — a point we passed long ago — the secrecy itself becomes a threat to our democracy.
The NSL received by the author was only one of more than 140,000 the FBI issued between 2003 and 2005, without prior judicial approval or showing of probable cause, seeking sensitive, private information about U.S. citizens and residents.
If you support this and other similar provisions of the USA Patriot Act, then you must support the notion that the author of this column, should his identity be revealed, be criminally prosecuted and imprisoned for speaking publicly about his experiences under the law. And if you support that, then I’m not quite sure what it is about America that you are hoping to defend. Or, as Benjamin Franklin more eloquently put it: “Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.”
and nor shall they recieve it.
Alright, I give up: what “little Temporary Safety” did we get in return for (unknowingly) surrendering our “Essential Liberty”? Are our soldiers safer, since we sent them to find nonexistent WMD in Iraq? What good has the Department of Hopeless Inadequacy ever done, in five years of miserable existence? I doubt the remaining inhabitants of New Orleans fell great about their safety, behind inadequate levees. This (mal)administration cannot even locate all of the money they sent to Iraq, and that was their own little pet war. Valerie Plame used to work at preventing the spread of WMD, until a petty little tyrant exposed her, for having a husband who told the truth. How the hell did that make us safer?
The World Trade Center fell into a hundred million tons of smoking rubble, with four of my sister’s co-workers still inside, one month after our un-elected President blatantly ignored an urgent warning from the CIA. Afghanistan now returns to control by the Taliban (“Union of Religious Students”); that makes us a lot safer, now does it not?
Why Republicans Have No Credibility
“WASHINGTON (March 24) – The White House and a key Republican senator reaffirmed support Saturday for Attorney General Alberto Gonzales even as Democrats questioned his credibility for apparently misrepresenting his role in firing eight federal prosecutors.”
We now know that Gonzales lied to the American people about his role in the prosecutor scandal. And, of course, thinking people would be foolish to believe anything else Gonzales says; because if he lied about that, he’s probably not being straight about other things, either.
But Gonzales’ lying makes no difference to the president or his GOP rubberstamp supporters in Congress. In their eyes, Gonzales is just as “qualified” to be the nation’s attorney general after getting caught lying about a scandal in which he is implicated, as he was yesterday.
The rest of America doesn’t see it that way.
Americans will be very patient with their leaders. They give them the benefit of the doubt, and they give their policies a chance to work. But trust is a fragile thing, and once politicians have destroyed the public’s trust in them — that trust can never be regained. The public shrugs, and looks elsewhere.
The really dangerous thing for the Republicans right now is that it isn’t just the president and his top lackeys who are liars and incompetents. The public sees the entire Republican Party, from top to bottom, is dishonest. They are losing trust not only in the current administration, but in the entire party and its agenda. And that will have devastating consequences for all Republican office holders, including the reputable ones.
If there are still any honest Republicans out there, it’s time for them to be thinking about self-preservation. Unless they do something fairly soon, their party is not going to survive. The Bush administration is irredeemably crooked, and the only way respectable Republicans can save their party and their own political careers is to join forces with Democrats in removing this corrupt, evil regime from office.
As always, this news story was excerpted and quoted under the Fair Use Doctrine; and readers who wish to read the complete story and/or copyright information should go to this link: http://tinyurl.com/2xys4y
‘Wash Post’ Publishes Rare Op-Ed by ‘Anonymous’ On FBI Abuse
By E&P Staff
Published: March 23, 2007 9:30 AM ET
NEW YORK “It is the policy of The Washington Post not to publish anonymous pieces,” the newspaper declares on page A17 of today’s edition. “In this case, an exception has been made because the author — who would have preferred to be named — is legally prohibited from disclosing his or her identity in connection with receipt of a national security letter.
“The Post confirmed the legitimacy of this submission by verifying it with the author’s attorney and by reviewing publicly available court documents.”
What follows … is the submission by “John Doe.” The entire piece is available at http://www.washingtonpost.com.
The Justice Department’s inspector general revealed on March 9 that the FBI has been systematically abusing one of the most controversial provisions of the USA Patriot Act: the expanded power to issue “national security letters.” It no doubt surprised most Americans to learn that between 2003 and 2005 the FBI issued more than 140,000 specific demands under this provision … without a showing of probable cause or prior judicial approval — to obtain … sensitive information about U.S. citizens and residents. It did not, however, come as any surprise to me.
Three years ago, I received a national security letter (NSL) in my capacity as the president of a small Internet access … business. The letter ordered me to provide sensitive information about one of my clients. There was no indication that a judge had reviewed or approved the letter, and it turned out that none had. The letter came with a gag provision that prohibited me from telling anyone … that the FBI was seeking this information. Based on the context of the demand … I suspected that the FBI was abusing its power and that the letter sought information to which the FBI was not entitled.
… I contacted lawyers at the American Civil Liberties Union, and … filed a lawsuit challenging the constitutionality of the NSL power. I never released the information … and … the FBI decided that it no longer needs the information anyway. But the FBI still hasn’t abandoned the gag order that prevents me from disclosing my experience and concerns with … the national security letter that was served on my company. …
Living under the gag order has been stressful and surreal. Under the threat of criminal prosecution, I must hide all aspects of my involvement in the case — including the mere fact that I received an NSL — from my colleagues, my family and my friends. When I meet with my attorneys I cannot tell my girlfriend where I am going or where I have been. I hide any papers related to the case …. When clients and friends ask me whether I am the one challenging the constitutionality of the NSL statute, I have no choice but to … lie.
I resent being conscripted as a secret informer for the government and being made to mislead those who are close to me, especially because I have doubts about the legitimacy of the underlying investigation.
Quoted under Fair Use; for complete item and/or copyright info go to http://tinyurl.com/22f5vd
Roger Rabbit Commentary: This link will take you to Editor & Publisher, the news industry’s leading trade journal, who excerpted this op-ed from the Washington Post.
Read that last sentence several times, for it states the essence of what is wrong, not only with the Patriot Act, but with the mentality of the Bush administration and the anti-Constitution traitors who support them. Here it is again:
“I resent being conscripted as a secret informer for the government and being made to mislead those who are close to me, especially because I have doubts about the legitimacy of the underlying investigation.”
This is Stalinist police state stuff, folks. Clear as day. There is no place for it in America. For any reason. Period.
I will say no more. There is no need to. There shouldn’t even be any need for discussion of this, much less any argument over it.
“A caller to the show last night seemed unconcerned with the government snooping into every aspect of his personal life. ‘I’ve got nothing to hide,’ he told me, insisting that secret wiretaps and other intrusions were a small price to pay during ‘a time of war.'”
Reasoning like this is incomprehensibly strange when it comes from the crowd who, not long ago, were screeching that government can’t do anything right. That conclusion certainly would be correct if applied to the Bush administration. Why does it fly over the heads of these numbnuts that if this government has fucked up absolutely everything else it has touched, it won’t fuck up this, too?
Here’s the thing, Mr. Caller. These incompetent idiots are going to mix up you with someone else. Unknown to you, your personal file contains false information that links you to terrorist activities — because some overworked, underpaid, stressed out data entry employee working for a private contractor made a few sloppy keystrokes and confused you with someone else. You are now officially a terrorist suspect, and you don’t even know it.
But you’ll find out, by and by … when they grab you off the street, throw you in a car, “render” you to Syria for “debriefing,” then throw you in a dungeon. No warrant, no hearing, no due process, no opportunity to tell anyone they’ve got the wrong guy; you’re not actually Sheikh Ali Bombbi Salammi, you’re only Joe Doaks of 111 Main Street, Anytown USA, and you make your living as a barber and have been voting Republican your entire life. And, of course, the interrogators won’t believe you when you tell them that, because it says right here in your dossier that you’re Sheikh Salammi. It doesn’t matter that you don’t look at all like the guy in the dossier photo, and can’t speak a word of Arabic. Terrorists are good at faking assumed identities, know what we mean?
Frankly, Mr. Caller, if you take your (and our) civil liberties this lightly, I can’t think of a more deserving guy for it to happen to, except maybe the real Sheikh Salammi — wherever he is.
And, of course, if our government has YOU in custody and thinks YOU are Sheikh Salammi, they aren’t looking for HIM anymore, are they.
Waytago wingnut dumbshits.
Thanks for posting that Goldy and Roger! I knew the situation was bad, but had no idea how truly BAD it was.
It’s so frustrating that wingnuts willfully refuse to understand such simple things. How do you educate a rock? You can’t do anything with these people except institutionalize them.*
* For photo of institution, click here: http://tinyurl.com/227lnd **
** Hey, just kidding! Ann Coulter humor, ya know?
GREAT POST GOLDY. ONE OF YOUR BEST.
FASCISTS LIKE PUDDYBUD, ROBTARD AND TYPICALLEFTY WANT EVERYONE TO LIVE UNDER THIS CLOAK OF FEAR.
@9 After today, there can no longer be any doubt that these trolls are guilty of treason.
Thirty years ago, if someone had told me that I should be careful which books I checked out from the public library, because the government would want to know what I was reading, I would have considered that person a crackpot.
Now my public library system has instituted a policy of purging patron records, as they fear being served with one of these demands, and if I want to read something controversial, I pay cash when I buy the book.
Thirty years ago, if someone had told me that my country would fake evidence to get us involved in a war, I would have said that we had learned that lesson the hard way with the Tonkin Gulf incident and Viet Nam.
Now we’re four years, over 3000 American lives and God only knows how many Iraqi lives into this war.
Thirty years ago, if someone had told me that our country’s leaders would scapegoat an entire religion, branding them the “enemy” I would have said that the whole world had learned that lesson in World War II.
Now we have Republican “leaders” drumming up fear and ranting about “Islamofacists” to cheering crowds of their followers.
Thirty years ago, if someone had told me that my country would violate the Geneva Conventions, use torture and kidnapping as routine instruments of interrogation, I would have said that whatever my country had done, it was always better than that.
I wish that I could still say that.
Betcha anything the guy being investigated by the FBI in that Washington Post op-ed was an anti-war activist. I would put money on it.
“Explosive New Vote Fraud Developments Continue To Rock Ohio and Florida
“by Bob Fitrakis & Harvey Wasserman
“Published on Friday, March 23, 2007 by CommonDreams.org
“Breaking news in vote fraud cases in both Ohio and Florida are feeding a firestorm of controversy that is likely to continue escalating, with major implications for the 2008 election and the future of e-voting machines.
“In Ohio, Jennifer Brunner, the newly elected Secretary of State, has received two of the four resignations she requested from the Cuyahoga County Board of Elections (BOE). The two Democrats on the Board … have complied with her call for their departures from Cleveland’s scandal-ridden election authority. However, Robert Bennett, who chairs both the Cuyahoga BOE and the Ohio Republican Party, has thus far refused Brunner’s request. So has Sally Florkiewicz, Bennett’s fellow Republican on the BOE. Should they continue with their refusal to resign, Brunner has threatened to hold public hearings … [to] force the resignations.
“Meanwhile, the Associated Press reports that a criminal investigation is underway which centers on the Cuyahoga BOE’s conduct of the November 2006 election. Cuyahoga County Prosecutor Bill Mason … [is] investigating ‘possible criminal wrongdoings’ related to ballot security and the scanning of absentee ballots.
“A Cleveland State University Center for Election Integrity study has exposed … election irregularities in Cuyahoga County in the 2006 election. Among the most egregious were the BOE’s failure to secure the dual keys (one for the Dems and one for the Republicans) required for the vote counting rooms; that they allowed shared computer passwords; and that they allowed an unexplained cable connection to the county’s vote counting computer.
“The Free Press also has viewed a video shot by Jeff Kirkby showing Cuyahoga County election workers downloading the county’s election data onto portable laptops that were allegedly allowed to go home with BOE employees. …
“Massive computer failures during the May 2006 primary led in February 2007 to the resignation of Michael Vu, who was the executive director of the Cuyahoga BOE at the time. Both Bennett and Vu pushed for the $20 million purchase of Diebold voting machines over strenuous objections from election protection activists, whose concerns were cablecast in the HBO documentary ‘Hacking Democracy’ shown nationwide just prior to the November 2006 election.
“On March 21, the Dayton Daily News reported that ‘After two days of tests, the results are in: About 2,500 people cast ballots in November on 56 malfunctioning electronic touch-screen voting machines in Montgomery County, said Steve Harsman, county board of elections director.’
“The Free Press has previously reported that there were nearly 30,000 undervotes in Montgomery County during the 2006 gubernatorial race, meaning an abnormally high 13.67% of all voters reportedly recorded no vote for the state’s highest office. … Similar undervote problems exist in Adams, Darke, Highland, Mercer and Perry counties. …
“Meanwhile, in Florida, internal memos from the ES&S voting machine company indicate an e-voting machine created an undervote problem, according to Wired News. In Sarasota County, 18,000 ballots recorded no votes in a hotly contested congressional race. … Reginald Mitchell, lawyer for People for the American Way, told Wired News that [a recently obtained internal memo by the manufacturer] ‘is the smoking gun….’
“The six counties under investigation in Ohio all used Diebold machines suggesting that both major suppliers of e-voting machines have similar flaws that create undervotes.
“These waves of breaking news about serious problems in the conduct of the 2004 and 2006 elections, and in the performance of electronic voting machines in the two states that have decided the last two presidential elections, make it a virtual certainty that we have barely begun to see the full extent of what has really been done to the American democratic system.
“Bob Fitrakis & Harvey Wasserman are co-authors of three books on the presidential election of 2004, and continue to cover breaking election protection issues at http://www.freepress.org.”
Quoted under Fair Use; for complete article and/or copyright info see http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/03/23/33/
Yes Folks the cut and run Democrats are still angered about their lot in life. By April 15 the military that they claim to support will be hampered by the lack of funds and resources to win a war. They have proven that politics is more important to them than winning a war. Now leaving the troops to fend for their own resources like the South Vietnam had to after we claim victory and left them to their own demise. Yes folks they free a Nation from bondage only to turn them over to another dysfunctional Group so our enemies can kill and maimed those who can not defend themselves. The Germans and Japanese enjoyed our presence for over sixty years only to keep the world out of another World War. Yes, you think the Iraqis are smarter and less dysfunctional and doesn’t need that add ional care to succeed to live a free life style like your own. Really what you are telling me is that you support Osama bin Laden more than you support your own troops. They tell me that the last sighting of Osama bin Laden was in Seattle near Jim McDermott house handing out flowers to the children? Now your reward for being such great supporter of terrorist is to become a martyr for bin Laden and enjoy the seventy virgins from Berkley, Ca.
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – President George W. Bush assailed the Democratic-led Congress on Saturday for challenging him over funding the Iraq war and the firing of federal prosecutors, and demanded that lawmakers back down.
Bush has threatened to veto a bill passed by the House of Representatives that ties a deadline for a troop withdrawal to the latest emergency bill to fund the war.
A showdown is also looming as Democrats in Congress seek testimony under oath of Bush’s close political aide, Karl Rove, and other White House advisers over the ouster last year of eight U.S. attorneys.
The White House has offered to allow the aides to answer questions in closed-door interviews but they would not be under oath and there would be no transcripts made. Congress is investigating whether politics motivated the dismissals of the prosecutors.
In his weekly radio address, Bush accused the lawmakers of provoking an unnecessary confrontation.
Bush said the conditions in the $124 billion emergency bill for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan amounted to micromanaging the war and said it was crucial that Congress approve a bill with no strings by mid-April.
“The clock is running,” he said. “The Secretary of Defense has warned that if Congress does not approve the emergency funding for our troops by April 15, our men and women in uniform will face significant disruptions — and so will their families.”
http://www.reuters.com/article.....9820070324
I simply want to call everyone’s attention to the evidence in the “AG Gonzales plays dodge ball with KIRO’s Jane & Tony” thread that rob is lying when he claims to be a veteran. See comments #98 through 129 in that thread for evidence that he’s faking his alleged service as a Marine in I corps … and make up your own mind.
I’m still waiting for klake to explain how sacrificing our soldiers’ lives for an undefined mission in a foreign civil war that we’ve already lost is “supporting the troops.” Seems to me if he really supported the troops he would want to bring them home.
The apologists for the corrupt, incompetent administration that warehoused our wounded soldiers in moldy, rat-infested slums are beyond disgusting.
Roger
I’m still waiting for klake to discover the joys of paragraphs, so that I can find out whether his posts are actually the incoherent rants that I think they are.
This past November, U.S. Army Brigadier General Patrick Finnegan, the dean of the United States Military Academy at West Point, flew to Southern California to meet with the creative team behind “24.” Finnegan, who was accompanied by three of the most experienced military and F.B.I. interrogators in the country, arrived on the set as the crew was filming. At first, Finnegan—wearing an immaculate Army uniform, his chest covered in ribbons and medals—aroused confusion: he was taken for an actor and was asked by someone what time his “call” was.
In fact, Finnegan and the others had come to voice their concern that the show’s central political premise—that the letter of American law must be sacrificed for the country’s security—was having a toxic effect. In their view, the show promoted unethical and illegal behavior and had adversely affected the training and performance of real American soldiers. “I’d like them to stop,” Finnegan said of the show’s producers. “They should do a show where torture backfires.”
I WATCH 24 IF ONLY TO LAUGH AT THE LUDICROUS PLOTS. WHEN IT GETS TOTALLY STUPID I USUALLY STOP. HOWEVER 24 IS A HUGE HIT WITH WINGNUTS. THE NEW YORKER ARTICLE CLAIMS THAT PEOPLE AT THE WHITE HOUSE REALLY LOVE THE SHOW INCLUDING THE PRINCE OF DARKNESS HIMSELF, KARL ROVE WHO HAS HAD MEETINGS WITH THE PRODUCERS.
TORTURE LOVING WINGNUTS LIKE PUDDYBUD, KLAKE THE FLAKE AND TYPICALLEFTY HANG ON EVERY EPISODE. THEY BELIEVE ALONG WITH THE PRODUCERS OF THE SHOW THAT TORTURE WORKS. THE REAL PROFESSIONALS KNOW IT DOESN’T BUT WINGNUTS WOULD RATHER SWIM LAPS IN A CESSPOOL FOR MILES THAN ABANDON THEIR FANTASIES.
READ THE WHOLE THING.
Thirty years ago, if someone had told me that I should be careful which books I checked out from the public library, because the government would want to know what I was reading, I would have considered that person a crackpot.
Now my public library system has instituted a policy of purging patron records, as they fear being served with one of these demands, and if I want to read something controversial, I pay cash when I buy the book.
John today those same Librarians purged the book shelves of books they don’t want you to read because they are not Political Correct. If the books are not recommend by the Professors and are not read they are purged and sold to use books stores. When during Hitler time they just burned them in the streets. John if we don’t win the war on terrorism the only book you will read from will be the Quran.
Thirty years ago, if someone had told me that my country would fake evidence to get us involved in a war, I would have said that we had learned that lesson the hard way with the Tonkin Gulf incident and Viet Nam.
Now we’re four years, over 3000 American lives and God only knows how many Iraqi lives into this war.
John get over the numbers that is the price we pay to bring a conflict to and end for the benefit of this Nation and her Allies. Folks they lost more lives than that in one day during the invasion of Okinawa
John your friends also presented the same evidence to justify entering other conflicts (Yugoslavia to strip them of Kosovo) and supported the same evidence to enter the Middle East conflicts. Besides all Saddam had to due was let the world into his country and see the evidence for them-selves. Nope he wants everybody to think he might have WMD’s, and then he was invaded for failing to meet UN resolution.
Thirty years ago, if someone had told me that our country’s leaders would scapegoat an entire religion, branding them the “enemy” I would have said that the whole world had learned that lesson in World War II.
Now we have Republican “leaders” drumming up fear and ranting about “Islamofacists” to cheering crowds of their followers.
John you are really stretching the truth on that last statement. We as a Nation have gone to great lengths not to brand this War on a religion or stereotype those folks as all being fanatics to a certain group of people. John do you fear that someone will come into your house and haul your family out in the middle of the night to execute them? Now you friend John Kerry believes that of my fellow soldiers will do that to his family. So much on supporting your troops!
Thirty years ago, if someone had told me that my country would violate the Geneva Conventions, use torture and kidnapping as routine instruments of interrogation, I would have said that whatever my country had done, it was always better than that.
I wish that I could still say that.
John you are way out on a limb on this one, who do you know was using torture and kidnapping as routine instrument of interrogation? John do you have any evidence that someone who committed a crime that was not charge and or convicted of those crimes? Today if you don’t surrender, or turn yourself into the authorities you will most likely be dead if a US soldiers show up and you resist. Because you make those outranges statements it is far safer to terminate the enemy rather than try to convert them into a useful citizen. John when you were in the Navy did they encourage you to violate the Geneva Conventions? On the other hand your support Osama bin Laden folks into recruiting children under the age of eighteen to carry explosives into markets and blow up women and children.
Yes Folks the Socialist Democrats are really making it harder for us troops to win a war when you take all our resources away from us and that includes the TIME to win.
I drove my luxury SUV today. I don’t even know how much carbon I produced. I feel fucking terrible.
Do any of you guys know how I can buy some “carbon credits” to absolve myself of my sin?
How many of you are aware that Bubba fired 93 US attorneys when his regime came into power. And there wasn’t a fucking peep about it.
Fucking hypocrites…
how I can buy some “carbon credits”
RIGHT HERE.
Bubba fired 93 US attorneys
THAT HAPPENS WHENEVER THERE’S A CHANGE OF PARTIES IN THE EXECUTIVE. WHAT HARDLY EVER HAPPENS IS FIRINGS WHEN THE “REGIME” IS IN POWER. BUSH FIRED THOSE ATTORNEYS BECAUSE THEY WERE DOING THEIR JOBS INVESTIGATING CORRUPT REPUBLICANS PERIOD END OF STORY. YOU KEEP REPEATING THE SAME DEBUNKED BULLSHIT AND THE TRUTH HASN’T SUNK INTO YOUR PUNY MIND. BUT WE KNEW THAT WOULD BE THE CASE AT THE START.
NOW PAY THE FUCKING GAMBLING DEBT YOU OWE TO GOLDY.
No wingnuts have addressed the substance of this outstanding post. How about it Klake or Redneck? Are you such pathetic apologists for the Bush Regime that you would support the government’s actions as described in the Washington Post article? You faux-patriots who scream about the need for smaller government, why do you support the most intrusive actions a government can take? The America you idiots desire has never existed. You boys aren’t going to get your police state. Go to your rooms and leave reasonable people alone. The rest of us need to get to the business of saving this nation from those who don’t understand the concept of liberty.
Roger Rabbit says:
I’m still waiting for klake to explain how sacrificing our soldiers’ life for an undefined mission in a foreign civil war that we’ve already lost is “supporting the troops.” Seems to me if he really supported the troops he would want to bring them home.
Roger the mission is already defined but you are not listing to the messenger. To begin with your friends the Democrats defined the war, they put no boundaries on where it’s to be fought, and by what means. The only hold out was Jimmy McDermott who was in Iraq for a very short period of time had proclaim it free of WMD’s. Jimmy didn’t present any evidence of such missing material or weapons, so Saddam lost. Roger no matter where the battle is committed your enemies will join the party just to make a point. Afghanistan is not the real or best battle field for this war, but Iraq, Libya, Syria or Iran was ripe for engagement and Iraq lost. Civil Wars are a real nightmare for you, and those who engage in them always vanquish, maybe flash backs from Viet Nam Roger? Do you remember the French civil war (Revolution) where the entire French elitist lost their heads? Power shift and a new government began, and yes we had one here in the United States. They did teach you that in History class in Seattle? Roger we already won the war in Iraq and we are in a different phase of the conflict to restore law and order in the country. What you are seeing is a power struggle between two or more religious groups and they are blowing up mosques and each other to make a point. Now the terrorist are also blowing up women and children to destabilize that country. Roger if we don’t win in Iraq these folks will follow us back home blow up your neighborhood just like New York on September 11, 2001. They would be free to commit any crime they wish, and you would be unable to stop them unless you return to their homes and destroy them and their families. Roger this is not Viet Nam and the rules of engagement are by far different. Viet Nam did not invade this country nor supported countries or terrorist to destroy our friends or citizens by blowing up innocent people to just make a point. NO ROGER you do not support our TROOPS by bringing them home before the job is finish, Remember Gulf War One when President Bush declared the war over and brought the troops home without cleaning up the mess? Now his son got saddled with that and a lot more after 911 because he didn’t finish the job. So Roger you really believe in repeating history by making the same mistakes?
Upon taking office, in an unexplained departure from the practice of recent Administrations, Miss Reno suddenly fired all 93 U.S. attorneys. She said the decision had been made in conjunction with the White House. Translation: The President ordered it. Just as the best place to hide a body is on a battlefield, the best way to be rid of one potentially troublesome attorney is to fire all of them. The U.S. attorney in Little Rock was replaced by a Clinton protege.
Clinton fired them because he was under investigation in Arkansas.
Fact.
Case Closed.
Assuming that klake actually believes everything he’s posted above, I have to simply shake my head in wonder.
“John today those same Librarians purged the book shelves of books they don’t want you to read because they are not Political Correct.”
Well, I haven’t seen the works of George Lincoln Rockwell at my local library, but Ms. Coulter and Mr. Limbaugh still “grace” the shelves.
“John get over the numbers that is the price we pay to bring a conflict to and end for the benefit of this Nation and her Allies. Folks they lost more lives than that in one day during the invasion of Okinawa”
Somehow this makes it ok? And the last time I checked, while the overall causualties in Okinawa were, indeed, greater than the causualties so far in Iraq, that battle went on for quite some time.
Or, are you only concerned with American casualties? I admit that our casualties are, thankfully, limited, although they are still too high. But Iraqi widows miss their husbands just as much as American widows, and Iraqi orphans miss their parents just as much as American orphans.
“Today if you don’t surrender, or turn yourself into the authorities you will most likely be dead if a US soldiers show up and you resist. Because you make those outranges statements it is far safer to terminate the enemy rather than try to convert them into a useful citizen.”
So, you’re of the impression that since kidnapping and torture are no longer an option (because folks like me have condemned them), that our troops are now simply killing civilians? I really doubt that. Apparently you think that our troops are wanton murderers. I disagree. Our troops are better than you seem to think they are.
(Even I can’t actually believe that klake thought through his statement there. Please, klake, tell me that you really didn’t mean what you said in that one.)
“Yes Folks the Socialist Democrats are really making it harder for us troops to win a war when you take all our resources away from us and that includes the TIME to win.”
We’re up to four years now. How much longer should we wait before finally figuring out that the folks that got us into this war have absolutely no idea of what “victory” would be? George Orwell, in his novel “1984” spoke of perpetual war. Is that what we should accept?
Democrats are currently trying to ban ATVs for my kids.
No one steals everyday liberties as well as the demonrats.
I wrote a letter to the bills sponser. He said it was his job to protect my kids.
Democrats are trying to steal my fundamental right to raise my own children.
I could care less about some obscure bullshit. I’m more concerned with the huge chinks of freedom that democrats steal from me every legislative cycle.
John forget about that library card check and stay away from the Mexican Border maybe the National Guard will see someone breaking the law. Yep don’t want to give them criminals any breaks or you might be their next victim. I do remember some judge forbidding us from using inferred equipment for it was too intrusive for the criminal rights. Want make a bet that same judge will let Aparicio-Lopez off for his crimes because we didn’t get his permission to use unmanned aircraft to catch this poor fellow. Now we will all get stuck with a new citizen who can’t speak English and can vote for one political party. The really bad part he will be living next door to Roger and playing with his grand children. But Roger prefers Lopez rather than a Republican raiding his pea patch.
Border drone spots suspect in child rape
Jennifer Sullivan
Seattle Times
Mar. 23, 2007 10:17 AM
SEATTLE – An unmanned aircraft used to patrol the U.S. border with Mexico has helped nab a Washington state man wanted in King County on suspicion of child rape.
Leopoldo Aparicio-Lopez, 24, was among six men spotted by the camera-equipped aircraft while they were traveling from Mexico into Arizona late Monday night, said U.S. Customs and Border Protection spokesman Mike Milne. While arresting the men, Customs and Border Protection agents also confiscated 395 pounds of marijuana.
Aparicio-Lopez has been sought by authorities since March 5, 2006, when a 15-year-old girl told police that he had impregnated her during their six-month relationship, according to charging documents filed in King County Superior Court. He fled after he was charged.
http://www.azcentral.com/news/.....23-ON.html
Flaky klake @20 “John today those same Librarians purged the book shelves of books they don’t want you to read because they are not Political Correct.”
Just a reminder, klake: Posting falsehoods is not the same thing as debating.
@21 “Do any of you guys know how I can … absolve myself of my sin?”
Paying your gambling debt, welsher.
@21 (continued) Then get down on your knees and beg the Lord’s forgiveness for abandoning your dead crack-whore wife.
@21 (continued) While you’re down there, you’d better throw in some kind words for Guliani and Gingrich, too, or they may end up as your roommates in Hell.
@22 Nothing hypocritical about it. The distinction is that you lack the critical faculties to understand the distinction between replacing partisan appointees when a new administration comes into office, and replacing your own appointees because they’re investigating your party’s corruption. The latter is called “obstruction of justice” and it’s a felony (not to mention an impeachable offense).
Didn’t Bush take an oath — twice — to uphold the laws of our land? He seems to have forgotten. So have you.
@24 klake and redneck are closet Stalinists.
@25 “The only hold out was Jimmy McDermott who was in Iraq for a very short period of time had proclaim it free of WMD’s.”
Amazingly, turns out he was right.
“Today if you don’t surrender, or turn yourself into the authorities you will most likely be dead if a US soldiers show up and you resist. Because you make those outranges statements it is far safer to terminate the enemy rather than try to convert them into a useful citizen.”
So, you’re of the impressions that since kidnapping and torture are no longer an option (because folks like me have condemned them), that our troops are now simply killing civilians? I really doubt that. Apparently you think that our troops are wanton murderers. I disagree. Our troops are better than you seem to think they are.
(Even I can’t actually believe that klake thought through his statement there. Please, klake, tell me that you really didn’t mean what you said in that one.)
John you miss the point or did not comprehend what was being said, maybe you read too much from move on dot org? Reverent John the enemies of this state or nation can turn themselves into the local authorities and confess their sins or they can surrender on the battle field according to the rules of the Geneva Conventions.
Now Brother John if they RESIST they will be TERMINATED not kidnap or torture but treated strictly by the Geneva Conventions. Resist also means they are still engage in a deadly battle and refused to surrender. Johnny you should know that American Troops are not allowed to kill civilians at will. Now you went to the same classes I did on conflict of war and they don’t encourage abuse of civilians. So you best tell your friends in the Middle East not to engage US troops holding up in mosques, schools, hospitals, and anyplace civilians might get harmed or killed in the crossfire. Reverent John safety of our troops and the civilians are paramount on our minds but the last though on our enemies. Please don’t twist my words to distort its meaning to justify your argument or point of view. Your friends don’t believe that our troops are doing a great job, and accuse them all chart blanch as members of the evil empire and war atrocities. But they believe that Osama bin Laden builds hospitals, roads, daycare facilities, and educate children of good religious beliefs. Didn’t Patty Murray make a statement along those lines in a school in Vancouver Washington?
Which leads me to think McDermott would have made a better president than Bush is.
Roger Rabbit says:
@25 “The only hold out was Jimmy McDermott who was in Iraq for a very short period of time had proclaim it free of WMD’s.”
Amazingly, turns out he was right.
WHO Roger Jimmy or ME?
@25 (continued) I can’t comment on the rest of this post because it’s so incoherent and illogical it makes no sense whatsoever. I have no idea what the fuck you’re babbling about, except you seem to think we shouldn’t be in Afghanistan — the one place everyone else agrees that we for sure should be in.
@26 This is fascinating. I’d like to know more. Can you provide the name of the U.S. attorney in Arkansas who was fired? What was he investigating? Wasn’t there a subsequent investigation by a partisan Republican witch hunter, at a cost to taxpayers of $70 million, that came up with absolutely nothing except the fact Clinton cheated on his wife and fibbed about it? I’m all ears. I want to see what you’ve got.
Roger Rabbit says : I’ le m waiting for tonne klake explain how sacrificing our soldiers’ LIFE for undefined mission dans un a foreign civiux était calmement dessus that we’ ve already tire is « supporting the troops. » Aux Seems tonne ME if he really supported troops he would tonne want the apporter home them. Roger mission the is already defined you acres urgence liste but tonne the plus messenger. La tonne begin with your friends Democrats the defined the était, they un put no d’on boundaries IT where’ s tonne accélérateur de prise, and by what fought means. The only hold que Jimmy McDermott who out ce que dans les Iraq for l’a voir very period of temps had proclaim IT of WMD free short’ des Jimmy didn’ t any evidence present of cherchait missing de matériel or weapons, Saddam tire ainsi. Roger no is committed your enemies battle the plus mat where veut join la fête the tonne just a make point. L’Afghanistan is urgence vraiment or battle best the field for this est, Iraq but, Libya, Syria or que d’Iran for l’engagement ripe tire and Iraq. Civil Wars d’acres a vraiment nightmare for you, and who those engage dans them always vanquish, flash backs from Viet Nam Roger maybe ? DO you French the civiux remember était (révolution) des French entire the where elitist tire their heads ? Pouvoir décalages and a new government began, and yes we had United States the here one. They did teach you that dans les History class dans les Seattle ? Roger we already won the était dans les Iraq and we des acres dans a phase of tonne restore conflict the different law and ordonnait dans the country. What you acres seeing is a pouvoir two or religious groups and they acres more between struggle blowing up and each d’other tonne mosques a make point. Now terroriste the d’acres ainsi blowing up and de tonne children women that destabilize country. Roger if we don’ t win dans les Iraq thèse folks veut follow les États-Unis cuisait blow des up home your neighborhood on like de New York en septembre 11 just, 2001. They would accélérateur de prise tonne free any crime commit they wish, and you would accélérateur de prise tonne arrêt unable unless you return tonne their and destroy and their de families them homes them. Roger this is urgence Viet Nam and of engagement rules the d’acres by lointain different. Viet Nam did urgence this country nor supported or terroriste tonne countries invade destroy our friends or citizens by blowing up tonne people innocent a make just point. Le no ROGER you DO urgence appui our TROOPS by bringing emploi the before home them is finition, Remember golfe était des One de President Bush when declared the était over and troops cleaning up without home the brought des de mesure the ? Now his son saddled with and a fil à plomb that got afters more 911 he didn’ t finition because emploi the. Ainsi Roger you really believe dans repeating history by making mistakes same the ?
Roger does that help?
@28 I think the state should take your kids away from you and let you drive the ATV wherever you please. http://www.rareads.com/scans1/29186.jpg
@39 Why do you even need to ask?
@42 No, it’s only slightly clearer than your previous post.
Роджер миссии уже определено, но вы не меню, курьер. Начнем с друзьями демократов определяется войны они положили не на границы, где он будет бороться, и какими способами. Только открывают Макдермотт был Джимми, который был в Ираке в течение короткого периода времени были провозгласить свободного от оружия массового уничтожения в. Джимми не представил каких-либо доказательств такого материала или пропавших без оружия, Саддам потерял. Роджер независимо от того, где совершается битва Ваши враги будут вступать в партию, чтобы добиться хотя бы точкой. Афганистан – это не реальная или лучше на поле битвы этой войны, Ирак, Ливию, Иран и Сирия готова к участию и Ираке потеряли. Войны гражданской настоящий кошмар для вас, и тех, кто их всегда победим, может мигать спиной из Вьетнама Роджера? Вы помните французского гражданской войне (революции), когда весь французский элитный потерял голову? Смены власти и новых государственных начал, да и мы здесь в Соединенных Штатах. Они научат вас, что в классе История в Сиэтле? Роджер мы уже выиграли войну в Ираке, и мы находимся в другой фазе конфликта к восстановлению законности и правопорядка в стране. То, что вы видите – это борьба за власть между двумя или несколькими религиозными группами, а они взрывают мечети друг друга и, чтобы доказать свою правоту. Теперь террористов также взорвать женщин и детей для дестабилизации этой страны. Роджер, если мы не выигрывали в Ираке этих ребят придет после нас домой взорвать ваш окрестность подобно Нью-Йорке 11 сентября 2001 года. Они будут вольны совершать любое преступление, они хотят, Вы и не сможет остановить их, если не вернуться в свои дома и разрушать их и членов их семей. Роджера это не Вьетнам и правил применения вооруженной силы, как никто иной. Вьетнам не вторгнуться в эту страну и не поддерживает страны или террористической уничтожить наших друзей и граждан, взрывая деятельности ни в чем не повинных людей просто сделать замечание. NO ROGER Вы не поддерживает нашу ВОЙСК путем приведения их домой до завершения задания, Запомнить заливе Один, когда президент Буш объявил войну и принесли в войска домой без очистки беспорядок? Теперь его сын получил в наследство и, что намного больше после того, как 911 потому что он не только не прекратили работу. Таким образом, Роджер вас действительно верят в повторение истории, сделав те же ошибки?
Maybe someting you learned at home will help
No one steals everyday liberties as well as the
REPUBLICANS. SEE GOLDY’S ARTICLE.
YOU CAN RAISE YOUR KIDS TO POLLUTE THE AIR AND WATER OR RUIN THE PUBLIC LANDS FOR OTHERS – BUT THAT DOESN’T MAKE IT RIGHT.
I TAKE THAT BACK. THAT MAKES IT RIGHT WING!
LMAO!!
ووضع الحدود التي لا على انه ينبغى ان يحارب ، وبأية وسيلة. الوحيد الذي كان يحمل جيمي مكديرموت الذى كان فى العراق لفترة قصيرة جدا من الزمن قد اعلن وهي خالية من اسلحه لل. جيمي لم يقدم اى دليل على هذه المواد المفقودة او اسلحه صدام حسين ، حتى ضاعت. روجر مهما كان المكان الذي ارتكبت المعركه اعدائك سينضم الحزب مجرد ابداء وجهة نظر. افغانستان ليست المعركه الحقيقية او افضل مجال لمثل هذه الحرب ، ولكن العراق وليبيا سورية وايران قد حان لاشراك العراق وخسرت. الحروب الاهليه هي كابوس حقيقي لأنك والقائمين بها دائما ، هزيمة ربما ظهور الوميض من فييت نام روجر؟ تذكرون الحرب الاهليه الفرنسية (الثورة) حيث كامل النخبه الفرنسية فقد رؤوسهم؟ انتقال السلطة وتشكيل حكومة جديدة ، وبدأ نعم كان لدينا هنا في الولايات المتحدة. انهم لا يعلمون ان التاريخ لكم في الصف في سياتل؟ روجر بالفعل نحن سنكسب الحرب في العراق ، ونحن في مرحلة مختلفة من الصراع الى اعادة القانون والنظام فى البلاد. أنت ترى ما هو صراع على السلطة بين دولتين او اكثر من الجماعات الدينية وهي تفجير المساجد والآخر لابداء وجهة نظر. ان الارهابيين هم ايضا بتفجير النساء والاطفال الى زعزعة استقرار هذا البلد. روجر واذا لم نحقق النصر فى العراق هذه سيخلفوننا اهل البيت الى نسف الحي لكم اسوة نيويورك في 11 ايلول / سبتمبر 2001. وسوف تكون حرة في ارتكاب أي جريمه ، واود وأنك لن تستطيع الا انك منعهم من العودة الى ديارهم وتدميرهم واسرهم. روجر ليس هذا فييت نام وقواعد الاشتباك التي لا تختلف كثيرا. فييت نام لم يغزوا هذا البلد او البلدان التي تدعم الارهاب او تدمير او اصدقائنا المواطنين تهب حتى الابرياء لمجرد ابداء وجهة نظر. لا روجيه انك لا دعم قواتنا من المنزل قبل تحقيق هذه المهمة النهاية ، تذكر حرب الخليج واحد عندما أعلن الرئيس بوش الحرب على القوات والى البيت بدون تنظيف فوضى؟ ان ابنه محملة على ذلك ، وبعد الكثير 911 لانه لم يكن لانجاز المهمة. روجيه لانك حقا نؤمن تكرار التاريخ من يرتكبون الاخطاء نفسها
Now your friends can read it also?
OOPS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sorry Goldy the FBI will now be reading your web site because I posted in Arbic. Well the only thing bad that happen will be that Rogger will have to move to Canada. No good carrots will grow up their but he might like the BC bud.
When the party in the White House changes hands, it is common for the new president to fire all the sitting U.S. attorneys, as
Ronald Reagan did in 1981 and
Bill Clinton in 1993. By contrast, Bush allowed some to stay on the job for several months when he took office in 2001, although all were replaced eventually.
In the current controversy, Democrats have accused the Justice Department of playing politics with the prosecutors’ jobs. They suggested some of the prosecutors were fired for either investigating Republicans or failing to pursue cases against Democrats. Several of the ousted prosecutors have told Congress they were improperly pressured by Republicans on pending cases.
SEE HERE.
KLAKE IS A nAZI.
Wow… I can cleanse myself for only eighty bucks. What a country.
Nah…
BTW, how many of you are aware that global warming causes CO2, not the other way around as your gawd algore preaches in your religion.
Dumass gullible fucking ijits
It’s fun to watch the lefties work themselves into a lather.
You’re all pumped up. Gonna get Rove.
Never happen. You sheeple will eventually need to be culled.
John Barelli says:
Assuming that klake actually believes everything he’s posted above, I have to simply shake my head in wonder.
We’re up to four years now. How much longer should we wait before finally figuring out that the folks that got us into this war have absolutely no idea of what “victory” would be? George Orwell, in his novel “1984″ spoke of perpetual war. Is that what we should accept?
John Barelli is what you envision your country representing today and with it your fears of what it might become? Please John would you describe what victory is from your point of view, and what the maximum amount of time you would require to achieve that task? John when you were a little boy did you sleep with the lights on in the whole house just to keep the Boogeyman away? You appear to be living with a lot of ghosts in your closet when you talk about George Orwell. By the way those folks you are talking about getting us into a war is also your Democrat friends John.
Big Brother’s political opponent (therefore a criminal) is the hated Goldstein, a Party member who had been in league with Big Brother and the Party during the revolution. Goldstein is said to be the leader of the Brotherhood, a vast underground anti-Party fellowship. It is never truly explained whether the Brotherhood exists or not, but the implication is that Goldstein is either entirely fictitious or was eliminated long ago. Party members are expected to vilify Goldstein, the Brotherhood, and whichever super state Oceania is currently warring via the daily “Two Minutes Hate.”
A typical Two Minutes Hate is depicted in the novel, during which citizens ridicule and shout at a video of the hated “bleating” Goldstein as he releases a litany of attacks upon Oceanic governance (indeed, the image ultimately morphs into a bleating sheep) on a background of enemy soldiers (in the book’s portrayal of the Two Minutes they are Eurasian, but after the switch to the war with Eastasia, it is expected that the background changes to Eastasian soldiers).
The three slogans of the Party, on display everywhere, are:
• WAR IS PEACE
• FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
• IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH
Each of these is of course either contradictory or the opposite of what is normally believed, and in 1984, the world is in a state of constant war, no one is free, and everyone is ignorant. The slogans are analyzed in Goldstein’s book. Though logically insensible, the slogans do embody the Party. For instance, through constant “war”, the Party can keep domestic peace; when freedom is brought about, the people are enslaved to it, and the ignorance of the people is the strength of the Party. If anybody (like Winston) becomes too smart, they are whisked away for fear of rebellion. Through their constant repetition, the terms become meaningless, and the slogans become axiomatic. This type of misuse of language, and the deliberate self-deception with which the citizens are encouraged to accept it, is called doublethink.
One essential consequence of doublethink is that the Party can rewrite history with impunity, for “The Party is never wrong.” The ultimate aim of the Party is, according to O’Brien, to gain and retain full power over all the people of Oceania; he sums this up with perhaps the most distressing prophecy of the entire novel: If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face — for ever.
It’s fun to watch
TYPICALLEFTY OVER-COMPENSATE FOR HIS REPRESSED GAYNESS.
MATT DRUDGE., MATT SANCHEZ AND JEFF GANNON CAN’T WAIT TO HONOR YOUR SERVICE.
AS THEIR BUTT-BOY THAT IS.
I can cleanse myself for only eighty bucks.
FIRST THERE’S THE LITTLE MATTER OF $100 YOU OWE TO GOLDY.
PAY YOUR FUCKING GAMBLING DEBT – FIRST.
The compliance of hardcore Republicans to their leaders’ directions is stunning. Ten years ago, they drove around with “I love my country but fear my government” bumperstickers. Why? Because the people they listen to told them to. Then, in 2000, they pulled out the razorblades and got rid of the stickers. Why? Because the people they listen to told them to. Then, in 2001, they allowed themselves to be cowed by one event. Why? Because the people they listen to told them to. Then, as the government kept trimming back our rights, they argued that it was okay, because they have nothing to hide. Did they think up that response? No. It was what the people they listen to told them to say. Then, when their leaders told them to get pissed off over Democrats stealing elections in this state, they did so with gusto, despite the Republican Secretary of State, the Republican Attorney General, the Republican election observers and a conservative judge in Wenatchee who all publicly agreed that there was no evidence supporting the allegations. Then, as federal discretionary spending went through the roof in a thoroughly Republican administration, these folks parroted their opinion makers who continued to promote the party line about how Democrats are the ones who are fiscally irresponsible. Then, as evidence piled up higher and higher that the people they voted into office were corrupt through and through these same folks stuck their fingers in their ears and began yelling “lalalalala” as loud as they could.
And on and on it goes. The ability of these people to thoroughly reject views that virtually defined them just a few years ago is simply amazing to witness. I have no idea where it will end, as the Republican core of supporters seems more than happy to continue to stand firm against the onslaught of reality, however relentless it may be.
goldy, i don’t get it
we’re at war and FBI wants info. Give them all they want.
While the Publicans have proven they’re hard core liars, cheats, cowards, traitors and frauds over the past six years, nothing compares with the damage they’ve done with the so-called Patriot Act. This one simple thing – PARTICULARLY the way the Publicans have used it, makes it very clear to me that we’ve already lost. Osama got ten times more than he planned on when Baby Bush and his ilk came up with the PA. In fact, reports are that Osama uses the fact to brag about his destruction of America. And he’s right. We’ve lost our freedoms. What better outcome for an American – hating asshole like Osama? He couldn’t have done this much damage to us. Only the Publican party could manage to take away our civil rights and destroy America. It’s fucking outrageous and we need to keep locking these traitors up. Now if we could only get the really evil assholes at the top in front of a judge they didn’t own. That would be the first step to taking America back from the traitors on the right.
YOS LIB BRO says:
GREAT POST GOLDY. ONE OF YOUR BEST.
FASCISTS LIKE PUDDYBUD, ROBTARD AND TYPICALLEFTY WANT EVERYONE TO LIVE UNDER THIS CLOAK OF FEAR.
Clueless: You need to get things correct before posting on ASSWipes!
Fascists in the 1930s took away the right to own guns in Germany. The Holocaust happened.
Fascists (libtards of the donkocrapic party) in the 21st Century want to take away the 2nd Amendment from the American people. What will be the next Holocaust event?
YOS LIB BRO says: Bubba fired 93 US attorneys
THAT HAPPENS WHENEVER THERE’S A CHANGE OF PARTIES IN THE EXECUTIVE. WHAT HARDLY EVER HAPPENS IS FIRINGS WHEN THE “REGIME” IS IN POWER. BUSH FIRED THOSE ATTORNEYS BECAUSE THEY WERE DOING THEIR JOBS INVESTIGATING CORRUPT REPUBLICANS PERIOD END OF STORY.
Clueless: I call Bullshittium again:
“At the time, President Clinton presented the move as something perfectly ordinary: “All those people are routinely replaced,” he told reporters, “and I have not done anything differently.” In fact, the dismissals were unprecedented: Previous Presidents, including Ronald Reagan and Jimmy Carter, had both retained holdovers from the previous Administration and only replaced them gradually as their tenures expired. This allowed continuity of leadership within the U.S. Attorney offices during the transition.
Equally extraordinary were the politics at play in the firings. At the time, Jay Stephens, then U.S. Attorney in the District of Columbia, was investigating then Ways and Means Chairman Dan Rostenkowski, and was “within 30 days” of making a decision on an indictment. Mr. Rostenkowski, who was shepherding the Clinton’s economic program through Congress, eventually went to jail on mail fraud charges and was later pardoned by Mr. Clinton.”
http://www.opinionjournal.com/.....=110009784
Clueless: If you only knew your facts.
BTW Why didn’t Democrat John McKay investigate voter fraud”
“Take sacked U.S. Attorney John McKay from Washington state. In 2004, the Governor’s race was decided in favor of Democrat Christine Gregoire by 129 votes on a third recount. As the Seattle Post-Intelligencer and other media outlets reported, some of the “voters” were deceased, others were registered in storage-rental facilities, and still others were convicted felons. More than 100 ballots were “discovered” in a Seattle warehouse. None of this constitutes proof that the election was stolen. But it should have been enough to prompt Mr. McKay, a Democrat, to investigate, something he declined to do, apparently on grounds that he had better things to do.”
So Clueless: If the attorneys are all neocon as you put forth, why did GWB have a Moonbat! in FUWA as the USA?
Wm F Buckley has is down with the “Mooonbat! scandal”
http://www.townhall.com/column.....l_pleasure
If you libtards took a few minutes and read the email exchange, your new golden boy Kyle Sampson (resigned aid of AG) sent out some emails we all can read. Sampson’s e-mail of 11/15/06 to Harriet Miers and William Kelley at the White House had an attachment called “USA Replacement Plan.doc”:
Harriet/Bill, please see the attached. Please note (1) the plan, by its terms, would commence this week; (2) I have consulted with the DAG [deputy Attorney General], but not yet informed others who would need to be brought into the loop, including Acting Associate AG Bill Mercer, EOUSA Director Mike Battle, and AGAC Chair Johnny Sutton (nor have I informed anyone in Karl’s shop, another pre-execution necessity I would recommend); and (3) I am concerned that to execute this plan properly we must all be on the same page and be steeled to withstand any political upheaval that might result (see Step 3); if we start caving to complaining US Attorneys or Senators then we shouldn’t do it — it’ll be more trouble than it’s worth.
We’ll stand by for the green light from you. Upon the green light, we’ll (1) circulate the below plan to the list of folks in Step 3 (and ask you to circulate it to Karl’s shop), (2) confirm that Kelley is making the Senator/Bush political lead calls, and (3) get Battle making the calls to the USAs. Let me know.
Now we learn Nov 21st the list was circulated in the White House. Didn’t some Moonbat! blog November 2004 Rove knew of the list?
Hmmm… Moonbat!s, looks like another rush to judgment from the Voice of Chalk Scratching NorthWest ASSWipe Division?
PUDDYFOOL:
YOU’VE BEEN FOOLED AGAIN BY THE WSJ EDITORIAL PAGE NUTCASES. I’LL REPEAT: YOU ARE THEIR FOOL!!!
I’D CALL YOU THEIR BUTT-BOY BUT I’LL SAVE THAT EPITHET FOR “TYPICALLEFTY”.
I LINKED TO THE AP’S STORY. WHO FREAKING CARES IF THEY’RE REPLACED ALL AT ONCE OR “GRADUALLY”? THE FACT IS THEY ARE ROUTINELY REPLACED AT CHANGE OF PARTY IN THE EXECUTIVE.
I REPEAT FOR YOUR PEA-BRAIN: IT IS HIGHLY UNUSUAL AND SUSPICIOUS FOR USA’S TO REPLACED MID-STREAM ESPECIALLY WHEN THE USA’S IN QUESTION HAVE INVESTIGATED CRIMINALS IN THEIR OWN PARTY!!!
why did GWB have
HOW F’ING STUPID ARE YOU? USA’S ARE NOMINATED BY THE PARTY LOCALS!!!
YOU CALL MCKAY A “MOONBAT”? HE CO-CHAIRED BUSH’S ELECTION COMMITTEE IN THIS STATE IN 2000!! REICHERT JUST RE-NOMINATED HIM FOR USA!! ROB MCKENNA SAID YOUR CHIMP MADE A MISTAKE!!
IT’S A DOCUMENTED FACT THAT ANOTHER WINGNUT, TOM MCCABE OF BIAW CALLED MCKAY A DEMOCRAT!! YOU WINGNUTS JUST WARP REALITY AS YOU GO.
BUT THERE’S ANOTHER NAME FOR THAT: SHEER STUPIDITY!!
Why didn’t Democrat John McKay investigate voter fraud
MCKAY DID INVESTIGATE: HE FOUND NO EVIDENCE OF FRAUD!!
YOUR STUPID PARTY SPENT 2 MILLION PLUS AND THEIR CASE WAS DISMISSED WITH PREJUDICE BY A REPUBLICAN JUDGE.
ALL THAT CRAP THE WSJ LISTS HAS BEEN HASHED HERE BEFORE. NO FRAUD.
FOR PUDDYBUD: IF THE RIGHT-WING IDIOTS OF WSJ EDITORIAL PAGE SAYS IT – IT MUST BE TRUE!! FOOL!!
Fascists in the 1930s took away the right to own guns
YEAH THEY TOOK ALMOST ALL THE GUNS AT ONCE BECAUSE THE SHEEPISH GERMAN PEOPLE WHO WORSHIP AUTHORITY LET THEM. AMERICANS ARE A LITTLE MORE SKEPTICAL SO THEY HAVE TO DO IT GRADUALLY.
FIRST THEY’LL COME FOR THE MUSLIMS. YOU ARE NOT A MUSLIM SO YOU WILL BE SILENT.
THEN THEY’LL COME FOR THE IMMIGRANTS. YOU ARE NOT AN IMMIGRANT SO YOU WILL BE SILENT.
THEN THEY’LL COME FOR THE LEFTIES. YOU ARE NOT A LEFTY, SO YOU WILL BE SILENT.
THEN THEY’LL COME FOR THE LIBERALS. YOU ARE NOT A LIBERAL SO YOU WILL BE SILENT.
THEN THEY’LL COME FOR YOU AND BY THEN THERE WILL BE NO ONE TO SPEAK FOR YOU.
PUDDYFOOL: I AM PRO SECOND AMMENDMENT ASSHOLE. I NEED A WEAPON AND WEAPONS TRAINING TO DEFEND MYSELF FROM FASCISTS LIKE YOU WHO VOTE FOR RIGHTS-DESTROYING TINPOTS LIKE THE CHIMP IN THE WHITE HOUSE.
Mr. Rostenkowski, who was shepherding the Clinton’s economic program through Congress, eventually went to jail on mail fraud charges and was later pardoned by Mr. Clinton.
YEAH OLD DAN WAS CROOKED BUT HE GOT BILL CLINTON’S ECONOMIC PROGRAM THROUGH AND THIS COUNTRY HAD ONE OF THE BIGGEST PERIODS OF ECONOMIC GROWTH THIS COUNTRY HAS EVER SEEN.
THIS COUNTRY WAS IN SURPLUS WHEN WJC LEFT OFFICE AND NOW IT’S MIRED IN BOTTOMLESS DEBT!!
SO BILL GOT DAN OUT OF JAIL AFTER A DECENT INTERVAL TO RETURN THE FAVOR. I’M SURE YOUR CHIMP WILL RETURN THE FAVOR TO LIBBY FOR BEING A FIREWALL ON THE PLAME DUSTUP. AND I BET THERE’S A BUNCH OF OTHER CROOKS WHO’LL BE LET OUT AT THE END OF THE CHIMP’S TERM. JUST THE CHIMP’S WAY OF THUMBING HIS NOSE AT THE RULE OF LAW.
IMPEACHMENT SHOULDN’T BE OFF THE TABLE.
THIS COUNTRY HAS BEEN TURNED INTO A BANANA REPUBLIC COMPLETE WITH SYCOPHANTIC THUGS LIKE “TYPICALLEFTY”.
“How many of you are aware that Bubba fired 93 US attorneys when his regime came into power. And there wasn’t a fucking peep about it.”
Wrong, wrong, wrong. The Wall Street Journal’s editorial page continued their jihad against Clinton by condemning his routine firing of all 93 U.S. Attorneys. (They of course did not condemn G.W. Bush for doing the exact same thing eight years later.)
“Fucking hypocrites..”
Yes, holding up Clinton’s behavior as acceptable, after eight solid years of condemning everything the man did, makes current apologists for Gonzales’ Stalinist purge look like total hypocrites indeed. Thank you for admitting this.