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Pretty much par these days. I’m cancelling my Time subscription tomorrow, btw.
LOL… Good catch.
Is it just me, or does single cover of TIME this year sport a stock photo atop a white background?
I hate to admit it, but the terrible graphic design bothers me a lot more than the terrible politics.
To tell you the truth, I don’t have a problem with teaching the Bible’s influence on our culture in public schools, or using it as a text for study of ancient cultures. The only thing public schools can’t use it for is promoting religion.
I don’t think it is a good idea.but it does bother me the way the media, Hollywood, and politics have put the Christian Faith in a negative light . Kids should not have to feel they have to hide their Christian Belief in school , but I sure do not want the public school teaching their version of the Bible In school .. In our state they have not got Math down yet .
Oh Alberto…you got s’more ‘splainin to do.
http://www.wnd.com/news/articl.....E_ID=54861
Well, it’s a little funny, but…
Time Magazine is a professionally-run outfit. Their job is to sell magazines. In doing so, they understand their market.
Overseas:
American expats (a generally fairly well-heeled and reasonably well-educated lot) and a smattering of advanced English students. Possibly interested in an article on the inner machinations of Waziristan.
US:
Moderately-educated, mostly older households. Lots of doctor’s offices. Not a downmarket crowd, but not regular readers of Foreign Affairs either. Can’t find Waziristan on a map. Has trouble finding Pakistan and probably had to check the atlas. Has grandchildren in public school and is probably more interested in that article.
Time trolling for the Xtian right? So what’s new? In the US it’ll sell. They know better for the rest of the world. Hypocrites all the way round? Yes. Of course.
Um… separation of church and state period. I’m over Christian trolls spreading their vile propoganda, hatred and hypocrisy.
This is telling about how incredibly fucked up and how out of touch we are as a nation with our priorities.
“…but it does bother me the way the media, Hollywood, and politics have put the Christian Faith in a negative light.”
What bothers me Mick is that you can spout such a nonsensical assertion such as that one, and expect anybody to take you seriously. Since this anti-religious meme is so pervasive, perhaps you could actually cite three examples from each of media, hollywood, or politics, which demonstrate conclusively that your hypothesis has any merit.
Shocking. Time shold be like McDs..same everywhere!
SeattleJew @ 11:
Nonsense. McD’s isn’t the same everywhere.
They sell almost-drinkable coffee in Seattle because the local market demands it. They sell veggie burgers in India because many locals won’t eat beef. The burgers in Malaysia and Indonesia taste a little different because the beef is halal, and so on…
(I could go on, but I’ll prefer to let my memory lapse. I have to be pretty sick of the local food to stoop to eating McDonalds)
McDonald’s sells beer in Germany and wine in France.
And the Bible article wasn’t the only U.S. article in the current issue of Time. There were several U.S. articles, including one about Rudy Giuliani, that didn’t appear in the international edition.
I fail to see any problem or controversy here. Presumably, Time is trying to attract attention and increase its supermarket sales in the U.S.
goldy, good news in this is you don’t lie about your bias the way your polished candidates do.
maybe you should meet a live Christian, rather than read about them. truly most are not like what you might think them to be
of course i know the politics matters most to you. Tar your opponents in any way possible.
Just as a quick aside – the “Talibanistan” story is featured in the US version as well, just not on the cover. The US version appears to have much more content overall than any of the overseas versions.
Which corresponds with something I remember from occasionally picking up Time overseas. It seemed a lot thinner and sparser.
I can see why the story about teaching the Bible in public schools would be of little interest to many folks living overseas, since the schools there work under completely different rules.
For both Robinseattle and Righton
Goldy seems to get along pretty well with me, and has been respectful of other Christians that post here as well, although some of the individual posters seem to be devout evangelical Atheists.
And to the point of separation of church and state, I’ve always believed that it is at least as much for the protection of the church as for protection of the state. When the church becomes a center of secular power, it invariably corrupts the church.
As for the assertion that mass media is deliberately putting Christianity is a bad light, well, cases for both sides of that argument can easily be found, although I have noticed that pro-religion tv shows seem to do decently in the ratings, yet are rarely “cloned” the way other popular shows are.
We’ve almost to “CSI Fresno” and “Law and Order, Parking Enforcement” but they yanked “Joan of Arcadia”, although this may have more to do with demographics than philosophy.
maybe you should meet a live Christian,
I WAS RAISED CATHOLIC MYSELF BUT MY NEIGHBORS ARE BORN-AGAIN EVANGELICALS. HELL THE GUY IS A PREACHER OF SOME BACKWATER SECT. SEEMS TO HAVE FINANCIAL SUPPORT FROM THE MOTHERSHIP. HIS SECT REGARDS SEATTLE AS AN OPPORTUNITY OF SORTS SEEING AS WE HAVE SO MANY GODLESS PAGANS HERE IN SEATTLE WHO WANT TO BE “SAVED” BUT DON’T KNOW IT YET.
LET’S GO DOWN THE LIST:
ONE OF THE KIDS IN THIS FAMILY SAYS HE WANTS TO LEARN HOW TO “HURT PEOPLE”. WANTS TO BE A SOLDIER WHEN HE GROWS UP.
THE KIDS PLAY WITH TOY GUNS AND SHOOT BEEBEE GUNS IN THEIR BACK YARD AFTER SUNDAY SERVICES.
THE KIDS ASKED MY KIDS WHO MY WIFE AND I VOTED FOR IN 2004. THEY SAID KERRY WANTS TO MAKE EVERYONE GAY!
THE KIDS ARE HOMESCHOOLED. MY WIFE SAW SOME OF THEIR HOMESCHOOLING MATERIAL. PISS-POOR WITH RIGHT-WING CHRISTIAN PROPAGANDA ON EACH PAGE.
THE KIDS ASKED MY KIDS IF WE GO TO CHURCH. WHEN THEY SAID NO THEY RESPONDED, “BANG. YOU’RE DEAD.”
THE KIDS ASK ABOUT MY RELIGIOUS LEANINGS. MY KIDS TELL ME I WAS RAISED CATHOLIC. THEY ASK, “WHAT’S A CATHOLIC?”
OTHERWISE THEY’RE FAIRLY QUIET NEIGHBORS. THEY KNOW WELL ENOUGH TO LEAVE US ALONE.
I dunno, religious kooks are covered in both stories.
McD to buy McLife
Ahhh … but you miss the spirit of the atter. McD has passed beyond mere franchisehood and replaced Time as a news source. Soon McD will offer it own newsmag!
Sources inside the GRWC (Great Right Wing Conspiracy) have confirmed that McD is BUYING Life magazine from Time. The move is a joint venture with Murdock and the Beijing Army owned channel 11.
The plan is to create a world vision that can be read ANYWHERE without fear of criticism. The synergism with a lifestyle built around 3 squares a day at the McDs is clear. “Breakfast mac and Mc Life please!”
McD will not charge for McLife! The mag will be free with any full meal. Instore customers will be abkle to read McLife on table top monitors. They expect to fund this fully from advertising.
McLife wll be locally customized and is expected to pout an end to conventional newspapers. United Airlines is discussing plans to bring back food, or at least McFood, using McLife to replace the current magazines.
re 14: Many Christians are good-hearted enough, they just don’t think about what they are saying. Someone I worked with was trying to explain to me that homosexuals are an “abominition of the Lord”.
I agreed and told him about my friend’s 6 year old son (a close friend of my daughters)who had all his life been a very effeminate little boy.
My friend, being a very macho person,was very concerned. He asked me, “Headless. What’s wrong with him? What can I do?”
I explained that there was nothing he could do, and that furthermore, his son was an abomination in the eyes of the lord.
My Christian co-worker looked at me in horror and said,”You are a horrible person! How could you say that about your friend’s child?”
I explained that they were not my words, they were God’s! He appeared not to get the joke.
Well, Lucy, assuming that you made the “abomination” comment to the father, you were, at least, very insensitive to the feelings of that parent. If that Christian had made that comment, I would presume that you would have objected immediately, and considered the Christian to be both insensitive and rude, and you would get no argument from me. (On the contrary, I tend to hold Christians to a higher standard of conduct.)
So, in making your “joke”, you got a small chuckle for yourself at the expense of two co-workers. Depending on the faith of the father in this conversation, you may have caused him some real pain, for no reason other than your own personal pleasure.
Another question I have for you. The Christian in this scenario. Did you initiate that part of the conversation, or did (s)he? My experience is that those conversations are often initiated by folks trying to bait me, although that is only my own personal experience.
@4:
It would also be a very good thing, over the long run, for every high school to require a Comparative Religion course for each student. Ignorance is what usually leads to violence, and combating that is always a good thing.
I say this even though I suspect there would be some serious arguments regarding how the “Catholics” (which would include Lutherans and Escopalians), “post-Catholics” (Baptists, Methodists, Presbyrterians), Pentacostals and the Mormons each interpret Christianity, let alone interpretations of Judaism, Islam and Bhuddism versus Christianity.
But they do this in western Europe, and it is probably one of their most beneficial factors in creating religious tolerence there.
My two bits…
I don’t really think that most who attempt to bring religion into public schools concern themselves with the cultural or historical understanding that study of the Bible could offer. Even lower on the meter would be promotion of understanding among Christians and other religionists.
What is desired, I think, is a return to the situation prevalent in the first half of the 20th century, where children attending schools in almost exclusively Jewish neighborhoods started each day reciting the Lord’s Prayer.
I guess Americans realizing that fighting the war on drugs and the war on terror together creates an even more spectacular failure is too much to have on the cover…
21 “It would also be a very good thing, over the long run, for every high school to require a Comparative Religion course for each student.”
Absolutely agreed. Think of all the people who vote whose understanding of what Muslims believe came from Michael Savage.
Good Point John Barelli.
When watching a protest separated by sidewalks and a street, it’s the Athiests who come over to the Christian side and try to instigate a confrontation. Shall I show some of those Portland or Washington, DC pictures again?
Clueless@16: Come visit my church. We’ll welcome you with open arms, feed you lunch and make your children feel at home. And… you may learn something from the Bible too………
In fact Clueless, you show up for Church and if we are not serving lunch, I’ll take you to MY HOUSE and feed you.
Would you do that for Puddy’s family?
An Incriminating Correlation
Yesterday, Washington Post columnist Daniel Froomkin pointed out that, “Last April, while the Justice Department and the White House were planning the firings, Rove gave a speech in Washington to the Republican National Lawyers Assoc iation. He ticked off 11 states that he said could be pivotal in the 2008 elections. Bush has appointed new U.S. attorneys in nine of them since 2005 ….”
Puddy @ 26
Then, your church will teach its congregants to love war, hate gays, judge everyone else, feel self-righteous, demand more capital executions, etc. I am forever at a loss to understand how rightwingers like you can reconcile your “religious” views with the Gospel, particularly with passages such as Matthew 25. Permit me to let you in on something: the Bible consists not only of the Old Testament, but the New Testament as well.
Laugh Of The Day
Stefan has posted this entertaining piece on his sucky little blog:
“Vehicles burn; I suspect human error
“Local Media News
“by Stefan Sharkansky, 09:55 PM
“P-I: ‘Vehicles burn in suspected arson’
“Twelve city vehicles are charred ruins after they deliberately were set on fire early Monday morning in a city lot on South Royal Brougham Way, Seattle fire and police officials said.
“I’m confused. There’s no suspect to indict. No smoking gun. (okay, 12 smoking vehicles, but no smoking gun). … There is zero evidence to attribute this conflagration to a human being, let alone to a criminal act. Why should the police even investigate?
“All of this innuendo about felony arson when it was obviously an innocent mistake or an act of God is just not the way things are done …”
http://www.soundpolitics.com/
Roger Rabbit Commentary: Funny how Stefan manages to see a conspiracy under every mushroom when it comes to elections, but thinks 12 city vehicles going up in smoke is spontaneous combustion.
29 PL, we don’t know exactly where (or really, if) Puddy goes to church. Therefore we have no idea what, if any, relationship might exist between what they’re trying to teach him there and what he’s actually learned.
Well, Puddybud, I would also caution my fellow Christians that we are held to a higher standard of conduct. We have brothers and sisters that shout hateful things at gay pride parades, and make hateful comments in public.
Somehow I doubt that those comments are made with the expectation that the folks hearing them will somehow change.
You and I could have an interesting conversation about differing schools of thought within the Christian community, but that is for another venue.
What we agree on is that whatever we do or say must be for the benefit of the recipient. When we shout in anger and express hatred for anyone, we are bringing discredit upon all Christians, and disregarding commandments far greater than any of the rules regarding sexual behaviour.
And we’re the folks that are supposed to know better.
PUDDYBUD: I RESPECTFULLY DECLINE YOUR OFFER TO VISIT YOUR CHURCH. I AM AN ATHEIST AND I’M NOT CURRENTLY UP TO MIXING WITH A FLOCK OF FERVENT BELIEVERS. I HAVE ATTENDED SUCH GATHERINGS BEFORE. THE PEOPLE WERE FRIENDLY BUT PROBING AND WORE THEIR AGENDA ON THEIR SLEEVE WHICH WAS TO “SAVE” ME. I VALUE MY PRIVACY. I VALUE BEING LEFT ALONE TO GO MY OWN WAY.
I APPRECIATE THE SENTIMENT WHICH ON THE SURFACE APPEARS OPEN-HEARTED BUT NO THANK YOU.
NOW WOULD I INVITE YOU TO MY HOUSE? I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST YOUR WIFE AND CHILDREN. I HAVE NO DOUBT THEY’RE WONDERFUL PEOPLE. HOWEVER, YOU AND I HAVE SERIOUS ISSUES. WE DO BATTLE HERE ON THIS COMMENT BOARD DAILY. SO NO I WOULD NOT INVITE YOU TO MY HOUSE. AT THIS TIME AT LEAST I DON’T THINK IT WOULD PROFIT EITHER ONE OF US.
HOWEVER IF YOU AND YOUR FAMILY WAS IN DIRE NEED OF FOOD, SHELTER, ETC, IN TIMES OF NATURAL, SOCIAL OR ECONOMIC CALAMITY AND I HAD THE MEANS TO HELP – THERE WOULD BE NO HESITATION.
ONE THING YOU SHOULD KNOW ABOUT ME: I AM A MAN OF THE LEFT BECAUSE OF MY ATTITUDE TOWARDS AUTHORITY. I WILL ALWAYS CHALLENGE IT NO MATTER WHO IS IN CHARGE. I STRIVE FOR FREEDOM IN MY LIFE NOT SUBMISSION TO ANYONE OR ANYTHING. CALL IT PRIDE, CALL IT WHATEVER YOU WISH. IT IS HOW I LIVE MY LIFE.
Puddybud wrote:
“Puddybud says:
Good Point John Barelli.
When watching a protest separated by sidewalks and a street, it’s the Athiests who come over to the Christian side and try to instigate a confrontation.”
Really, Puddybud???
Ever been to an anti-abortion protest/rally? They’re truly assholes. In fact, some people on the right have been convicted of murder and domestic terrorism for killing empolyees and blowing up buildings.
Nice!
YOS LIB BRO:
You and Puddybud should have lunch some time. I’ll referee. Puddybud’s a big man, but I’m no slouch. Plus, I know Puddybud’s weakness and how to exploit it in an instant.
You guys go Dutch Treat and split the cost of my lunch for the referee services. (Can’t pass up on free lunches.)
Puddybud @ 27:
What’s on the menu at your house? Just in case there’s no lunch at your Church.
Puddybud:
Me you and PacMan should have lunch again. I believe it’s PacMan’s turn to buy lunch, isn’t it?
Or, just you and me can get together for lunch, too.
GBS @ 35
CLEVER, GBS, CLEVER. SO CLEVER I MIGHT HAVE TO TAKE YOU UP ON THAT.
Pud
Sure pal, Christians would not “instigate a confrontation?”
Uh-huh. http://www.godhatesfags.com/main/index.html
jsa on commercial drive
I think they serve lamb or mutton in the Indian Mickey D’s.
YOS LIB BRO:
Let’s do it, man!
Puddybud is stong in his beliefs in convictions and I respect him for that, but, it doesn’t make him right.
He knows it. Once you talk with him face-to-face you’ll know what his main issue is for being conservative. Once you understand that, you understand a lot about Puddybud.
It was a private lunch, so I won’t say here on HA what that one items is, but you’ll figure it out.
Hell, I hope YO doesn’t see all my typos and bad grammar at 42, but it is what it is. You can figure out what the Hell I’m trying to say.
Well, barely.
@9
Could you do me a favor? I’m looking at the 1st ammendment right now.
Can’t find the Separation of church and state clause. Where is it?
33 – “I AM A MAN OF THE LEFT BECAUSE OF MY ATTITUDE TOWARDS AUTHORITY. I WILL ALWAYS CHALLENGE IT NO MATTER WHO IS IN CHARGE. I STRIVE FOR FREEDOM IN MY LIFE NOT SUBMISSION TO ANYONE OR ANYTHING.”
Finally, someone on this board who would support massive tax cuts and calls for the government to get out of the way…..
“…CALL IT PRIDE, CALL IT WHATEVER YOU WISH. IT IS HOW I LIVE MY LIFE.”
How about being selfish?
44 – “Could you do me a favor? I’m looking at the 1st ammendment right now.”
It is located in America, right next to the 2nd.
TypicalLefty @ 44:
Here’s a starting point:
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/...../01.html#4
You can play outhouse lawyer and say the establishment clause merely prohibits the establishment of a Church of the United States, but we have 200 years of case law that argues against that interpretation, and to the best of my knowledge, not a single ruling in a high court that argues for it.
My church says that caps lock abusers will burn in hell.
Finally, someone on this board who would support massive tax cuts and calls for the government to get out of the way…..
I SUPPORT FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY. SOMEONE HAS TO PAY FOR WARS OF CHOICE AND FANCY MILITARY HARDWARE. THE DEFENSE DEPARTMENT IS THE ONLY FEDERAL ENTITY THAT CANNOT PASS A GAO AUDIT. THIS HAS TO CHANGE.
DWIGHT EISENHOWER FOR EXAMPLE REFUSED TO CONSIDER TAX CUTS. SOMETHING HAD TO PAY FOR THE KOREAN ACTION AND THE COLD WAR.
IF THE FREE MARKET FAILS TO ADEQUATELY ADDRESS PRESSING SOCIAL NEEDS LIKE HEALTH CARE THEN THE GOVERNMENT WILL SOONER OR LATER HAVE TO ACT. WE THE PEOPLE ARE THE GOVERNMENT IF WE DON’T ABDICATE OUR RESPONSIBILITY.
TypicalLoony @ 44
Which church should we establish as the state church? Not yours, I hope. How about mine? I’m a Lutheran of the liberal variety, and we’re a pretty tolerant bunch (just check out how having the Lutheran church as the state church of Norway and Sweden has made those folks religious). Anyone who suggests what you are suggesting has never thought through the consequences.
TL @ 44:
Well, there you go again!
Acting like you love America, but don’t know a fucking thing about our history.
The separation clause comes from a letter written to the Democratic President Thomas Jefferson from the Danbury Baptist. Since President Jefferson was there during the drafting of the Constitution he had a great understanding of what they meant.
In the letter to President Jefferson the leaders of the Church were asking for clarification of the 1st Amendment. President Jefferson responded with a letter and in it he cites the 1st Amendment, and since he was writing to social conservatives — like you– he knew it would need some clarification and he wrote the famous line: “I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should “make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;” thus building a wall of eternal separation between Church & State.?
Clear enough for you?
Now, it they only explained the 2nd Amendment a little more clearly we’d know not every Tom, Dickless, and Harry were meant to own a firearm.
Moron.
Now you know why you’re values are aligned with the Taliban. If you had a fucking clue about the country you claim to “love” you’d never make such an asinine statement!
Dick!
Conservatives what a bunch of proganda swallowing morons.
I just love they drape themselves in the flag of my beloved country and say ignorant shit like TL.
What a DIIIIIIIICK!
If you hate America and hate the Constitution, TL, just say so. At least we know where you stand, like bin Laden, and we’ll know how to deal with you (ka-boooom!).
Know what I mean?
Loser.
How about being selfish?
SELFISHNESS IS OUT OF CONTROL DEFICIT SPENDING. CONSENTING TO SCAMS AND BOONDOGGLES THAT HOODWINK THE GULLIBLE, ENRICH THE FEW AND THEN PASS THE BILL TO A FUTURE GENERATION.
TL @ 44:
2nd Amendment states: “A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.”
In order to own a firearm you need to belong to a “well regulated militia” that doesn’t mean a bunch of yahoos running around the forest pretending to be Army “men.” It means a state sponsored militia. And, the second qualifier, the militia also needed to be “necessary to the security of a free State”.
When this was written it referred to people like the Massachusetts Minute Men, ordinary citizens who could be called upon at any moment to defend their state. Thus, the necessity of common citizens to own guns.
Look it up some time, ass hole.
But don’t worry, you want to be a “strict constitutionalist” conservative, but us “Living, breathing document” Liberals will save you from your own ignorance and fight for your right to keep and bear arms as it has become to be interpreted.
Ass hole.
@ 44:
Finally, someone on this board who would support massive tax cuts and calls for the government to get out of the way…..
Another dumb shit conservative who isn’t good with math. You cannot give a tax cut while you are running a deficit.
Deficit spending means we are borrowing money from other countries to pay the bills.
So if you’re not raising enough revenue to the treasury with taxes then how can you reduce those revenues and borrow money to fill the shortfall?
When you “borrow” money, you have to pay it back. The “pay back” is a tax burden on future generations of Americans to shoulder.
So the taxes are being deferred to future generations of Americans.
Bush did not give a tax cut, but tax deferment and massive tax INCREASE to future generations of Americans.
The national debt, as it stands now, 50% is attributable to GWB and the Republicans. President Clinton was the ONLY sitting president in the last century to pay DOWN the debt, so he has none of the burden on him. GWHB and Ronald Reagan make up 35% of the rest of the national debt.
In total 85% of the debt we owe now are attributable to Republican executives who requested congress borrow the money.
Last year we spent $300 billion dollars on Ronald Reagan’s borrowing. Basically, the cost of the Iraq War.
You want to reduce taxes, get Republicans out of office, they’re responsible form the vast majority of our debts.
YOS LIB BRO:
Lunch with Puddybud???
C’mon, it won’t hurt.
sure would hurt you people to open up a bible every now and then.
and if you opened a bible or went to church sometime you just might understand what they are talking about.