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Goldy — obvious satire and parody is not a basis to sue for libel, slander, defamation or anything else. Hustler Magazine v. Falwell, 485 U.S. 46 (1988)
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/.....8;invol=46
Hustler Magazine wrote a story that Jerry Falwell’s “first time” was during a drunken incestuous rendezvous with his mother in an outhouse. Falwell sued, and a jury awarded him $200,000 in damages. The U.S. Supreme Court overturned this, holding that satire and parody are protected by the First Amendment.
Neither you nor Stefan have any basis to sue each other. Nor do David Irons or Ron Sims based on what you or Stefan are saying about them.
I couldn’t get through a week without that even if I didn’t read SP.
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Hey in the state of drunk supreme court justices, I’m sure there is enough liberal juice to keep you safe Goldy. Go ahead and libel away, we all know those rules only apply to the righties anyway..right?
No, David, you idiot, I never said that you defamed me.
You’re defaming David Irons’ real webmaster by depriving him/her of the due recognition.
And I would never waste my time suing you. The judge would take one look at you and declare you incompetent.
Did I forget to mention that you’re an idiot?
Stefan @4,
Doo-doo-head.
Stefan @4
“You’re defaming David Irons’ real webmaster by depriving him/her of the due recognition…”
Goldy –
You’re defaming David Irons’ real webmaster by implying that he’s Stefan.
Hustler Magazine wrote a story that Jerry Falwell’s “first time” was during a drunken incestuous rendezvous with his mother in an outhouse.
The zinger of this exchange is that Stefan feels that being accused of being associated with David Irons as his webmaster is as injurious to him as the Penthouse story was to Jerry Farwell.
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“You’re defaming David Irons’ real webmaster by depriving him/her of the due recognition.”
Hmmm … wonder what the measure of damages is for that? Say, Stefan, how come you still have your home address posted on your web site?
Goldy’s drinking game would actually lead to greater intoxication if the players were limited to HA.
When stefan called you an idiot, it was not a falsehood. In fact he understated your lack of intelligence.
YAAAWWWWWNNNNNN…
Goldy,
Something for your list of site upgrade requests: Could you please set something up to notify me by e-mail when anything of substance is posted on HA? You seem to be running out of material.
Goldy hates Stefan. Oooooh! Big News!
David Irons Vigil? Maybe worth a single post & an update.
Crawford Cindy? Ms. Sheehan, meet Ms. Schiavo. You’ve got 15 minutes, ladies.
Especially lately, your posts and the threads on HA have become predictable and have done little to enlighten or even entertain. Your readers’ comments sound like a bad sitcom. Roger Rabbit, Donna, Lucy … the counterparts on the Right… all one-dimensional characters who spout something close to catchphrases. [Yeah, we get it, Lefties. You hate Bush like the Far Right hated Clinton. Again, yaaawwwwnnnnn.]
About the only thing to generate any sort of real discussion is gas taxes. At least people are (selectively) quoting something approaching facts. The SCOTUS talk a while back wasn’t too bad, either.
HA could really be something interesting — even if it is from a Lefty perspective. You want to launch a radio career? Think about this… Has Kirby ever treated you (or any other Lefty guest) with disrespect?
Gary – and apparently we have (to quote Bushy) misunderestimated your lack of intelligence
**Hustler Magazine wrote a story that Jerry Falwell’s “first time” was during a drunken incestuous rendezvous with his mother in an outhouse.**
The zinger of this exchange is that Stefan feels that being accused of being associated with David Irons as his webmaster is as injurious to him as the Penthouse story was to Jerry Farwell.
Perhaps… as it is also well known that Stefan’s first time was in an outhouse with West and Gannon after watching Thai porn with Neil Bush
A very credible source has told me that Stefan Sharkansky butt fucks David Irons on Tuesday and Thursday nights.
Why am I not surprised that Goldy does not want to talk about Cindi Laws anti-Semetic comments. You can read them in the PI.
JC @ 14
In Goldy’s defense… IIRC, he has stated on more than one occasion that this is a LEFT WING blog and that balance is not its/his goal. Fair enough. This is his soapbox.
There are all kinds of topics that Goldy deliberately avoids: Cindi Laws, Able Danger, Dem PDC fines and so on. But he has the right to.
My only advice would be to either look elsewhere for balanced news — the Christian Science Monitor being one of the most reputable — or carve out your own corner of the blogosphere.
Thanks Mark, I’m glad to see I’m not the only one who thinks Goldy’s been not firing on all cylinders lately.
No offense, Goldy, but why do you care what Sharansky thinks or says?
So you all think Goldy has run out of material or is loosing his edge?? Lets just get back to what this is REALLY all about. That would be Sharks bullshit remarks about Sims fixing the upcoming election.
Shark, you are full of shit and that kind of talk fuels the voter fear. I hate talking about Ohio or Florida with friends because I see them get so turned off on the whole voting process. You create apathy when you spout that crap. Be responsible. If there is a problem with KC, state or national elections you could be more objective than to just lob grenades at the political figures for which you have discontent.
Mark @11,
Tell you what… when you have thousands of people coming to your website on a regular basis, curious to see what you have to say on the latest issues of the day, you can come back here and give me advice on how to run my blog. Personally, I’m pretty satisfied with my 2000 percent growth in traffic from this time last year. In fact, August is on track to be my best month ever, so I must be doing something right.
As to treating Stefan with respect… I treat him with all the respect he deserves, and considerably more respect than he shows others. The fact that I do take the time to ridicule and refute the lies and exaggerations that constitute the bulk of his blathering, proves exactly how much I really do respect him… or at least, respect the potential impact (u)SP could have if not appropriately countered. When we, as bloggers, criticize politicians and the media, we make ourselves fair game, and when Stefan attempts to score political points by cruelly maligning others, he makes himself an inviting target for my whimsy. Indeed, Stefan seems unperturbed at exchanging barbs… when he thinks he has the upper hand.
Hey asswipe @15,
I have a fucking life. I posted at midnight and then, sorry to disappoint you, went to sleep. This morning I had to feed my daughter breakfast, get her ready for day camp, then drive her through rush hour from South Seattle to the Seattle Center, and back. And then, you know… it actually takes me a few minutes to write.
Finally, after I do post my say on Cindi Laws, I come back to this thread and find your turd of a comment. So let me repeat for you what I’ve repeated a dozen times to others… I write for myself, what I want to read, and on my own schedule. You don’t like it, then leave.
Goldy,
Take a deeeeep breath…
“I write for myself, what I want to read, and on my own schedule.”
Which is exactly what I said you had every right to @ 16.
Now, as to your traffic growth and whatnot. Are you saying that audience is the sole measure of quality? If so, Limbaugh, Hannity, O’Reilly and Coulter have you soundly beaten.
My point was the QUALITY of your topic selection and the related discussions. You’ve slid to the point of being a intellectual circle-jerk for the Left Wing. But, it is YOUR BLOG. You can be McDonald’s or you can be Met Grill. Your choice.
Goldy @ 19: “when you have thousands of people coming to your website on a regular basis, curious to see what you have to say on the latest issues of the day”
Or could it simply be that people want to see the car-wreck that is the discussion thread after each posting?
Boy, the minnow has his knickers in a twist.
“David, Speaking of libel, you know very well that I am not “David Irons’ webmaster” yet you post that silly statement multiple times anyway with reckless disregard for the truth”
Yep, I can see that he really meant by that that Goldy was not giving proper credit to David Iron’s Webmaster. And, of course, not giving proper credit is libel…, well, I guess, but only in the same universe where anything you are not happy with is fraud and all part of a conspiracy of Republicans and Democrats to keep the truth from coming out.
And, lets face it, if the minnow had a first time, would he be so uptight? If there has ever been a man more in need of a blow job…, Maybe we can fix him up with the rights other manwhore/”reporter” Jeff Gannon, they have the same level of integrity, and have never let the truth get in the way of a softball question for their handlers or a good piece of propoganda.
And if the minnow is going to hang out on this board more than his own (and who can blame him, given the drivel of his board), will he at least explain why he changed his last name? What was wrong with Sharansky?
The car wreck can be seen on (u)SP as well. It sucks wading through that to read a few insightful comments.
22 sums up 23….
Jimmy @ 23: “The car wreck can be seen on (u)SP as well.”
As can the mutual intellectual masturbation. Though I’m Center-Right, I read HA far more because I
findfound it to have at least slightly more back-and-forth discussion.And, as you point out in 24, 22 is pretty much par for the course these days.
He called you an idiot? I guess that’s OK, so long as he didn’t call you a Jew idiot…
I just wonder, is being the Anti-Stefan really your goal?
I don’t argue that the two of you are at odds politically, God’s what an understatement that is.
But honestly I think you worry more about him then you need to.
Karl:
And yet it is the minnow that always comes here to swear and post. Shows which blog is more interesing, doesn’t it.
It’s the minnow’s own fault. If he and the followers of the lord of lies were not so scared of any one who thinks differently, you might have some lively exchanges over at the minnow’s site. The problem with all fundamentalist is the are scared of anything that is 100% in agreement with them.
JDB @ 28: “If he and the followers of the lord of lies were not so scared of any one who thinks differently, you might have some lively exchanges over at the minnow’s site. The problem with all fundamentalist is the are scared of anything that is 100% in agreement with them.”
And that includes “fundamentalist liberals,” too. Show me one time when one of the vocal Lefties on this site has even said, “OK, I see your point, but…”
A little jab here and there is all in good fun. But just like any joke, it becomes boring and even irritating the 50th time you’ve heard it. So, how about we retire everything from “minnow” to “leftist pinhead” and get back to some adult conversation?
“Stefan called me an idiot.”
What an honor, Goldy!
11
“Roger Rabbit, Donna, Lucy … all one-dimensional characters who spout … catchphrases.”
Repetition is the only thing that works on small children, career criminals, unruly dogs, Republicans, and other unteachable creatures.
Hey Mark, if HorsesAss is flat reading, what accounts for your spending so much time here?
idiot===a feeble-minder person having a mental age not exceeding 3 years and requiring complete custodial care.
I would have to say that Stefan was certainly in the ballpark!!
moron==a feebleminded person or mental defective with a potential mental age between 8 and 12 who is capable of doing routine work inder supervision.
Stefan–
I’d be willing to “split the difference” with you. Goldy probably exceeds the definition of idiot status. However he certainly has yet to exceed the MORON level.
Comment on 20
“Are you saying that audience is the sole measure of quality? If so, Limbaugh, Hannity, O’Reilly and Coulter have you soundly beaten.”
Are you serious? I contribute more to society in 1 fart than these professional haters contribute put together.
Anyone who uses the words “quality” and “Coulter” in the same sentence dooms himself to never be taken seriously. Look at the shit this woman writes: Liberals are “traitors” who should be put in “concentration camps” or “executed.”
Coulter is nothing but a smut peddler; a mercenary who’s in it for the money, and laughs at the idiots who pay her money for the filth that spews from her poison pen.
According to a recent Time magazine article, Coulter lives in fear of being assassinated. Well, what does she expect, when she makes her living by inciting hate? Serves her right. Why do the media give the time of day to this lunatic?
OK, I see your point, but…
Mark, that doesn’t work. Allan Colmes says that dozens of times to Sean Hannity.
If you bring up a point and people don’t comment then assume people are in agreement with you.
The publicity Coulter gets isn’t the result of “liberal media bias.” The so-called “liberal media bias” is one of the right-wing noise machine’s biggest and most ridiculous lies. The only reason anyone has ever heard of Coulter is because the U.S. media is pervasively and powerfully biased in favor of the Far Right.
Roger @ 32: “…if HorsesAss is flat reading, what accounts for your spending so much time here?”
1. Democrats are pessimists. Republicans are optimists. I keep hoping things will improve. [yeah, I know I’m setting you up for some Demo diatribe about national politics]
2. Glad to see I’m on your radar. But you should also have noticed that I’ve been here less and less often lately. Sometimes a thread catches my fancy, but zey haff alzo kvikly become tiresome.
Roger @ 31: “Repetition is the only thing that works on small children, career criminals, unruly dogs, Republicans, and other unteachable creatures.”
So are you saying Dems are like small children (naww, you guys don’t whine, cry and throw tantrums), unruly dogs (hmmm… anyone wanna go protest something?) or career criminals (that one is too easy…)? [since you line-itemed Republicans, they obviously aren’t a subset of the other categories you mention]
Comment on 22
“Boy, the minnow has his knickers in a twist.”
Yeah, no kidding! Stefan has a thin skin. He’s so afraid of Roger Rabbit he pretends I don’t exist.
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Comment on 27
Somebody needs to be the Anti-Stefan, because Stefan lies through his ass.
Roger @ 35
Goldy was the one that brought up the “if I get lots of traffic, I’m doing something right” logic. I wasn’t endorsing those people, just pointing out that their audiences make Goldy’s numbers look smaller than a rounding error.
29
Get real, Mark. Right wingers have declared war on liberals. We come to HorsesAss to shove their bullshit up their collective ass. They give no quarter, and neither do we.
When and if you wingers ever decide to rejoin the human race, stop lying through your teeth, and treat the other side (us) with respect, then you can have all the give-and-take debate you want.
But don’t expect us to be doormats for you assholes to wipe your feet on. We tried that for years, and it doesn’t work. Your side wanted war, and war is what you’re gonna get.
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Don’t let the door hit your ass on your way out.
Mark and Roger Rabbit:
Here is the great difference between Liberals and Conservatives.
If Liberals fear they are biased, they insist on getting someone else from the other side. Hence, the popularity of Ann Coulter (although, lets face it, if she hadn’t slept with Hannity and Drudge, no one would ever have heard of her).
Conservatives, it they think they are biased, either get a weak liberal to beat up, or shut them out.
Look at the difference between this board and the ss minnow’s site. Here, both sides have at it. At the minnow’s site, contrary voices are banned.
It is really that simple.
So, Mark, stay around, you may seldom be right, but you sometimes are. (I’m willing to admit when I think there are good ideas from conseravitves. I also can point out to some conservatives both here and, gasp, at the minnow’s site, that aren’t insane). Heck, while Cynical seems to be drifting into some form of dementia, he even occasionally has a good point, if only we could just teach him to lay off the cap locks (ALL CAPS ARE FOR FOURTEEN YEAR OLD WAREZ KIDS!!!).
We are better off when we can discuss our differences, even in the childish ways that sometimes domiates blogs. If this was just an echo chamber, it wouldn’t be much of a blog (look at the way the minnow’s site is going down the drain since he threw off most of the liberals).
@38 I like the ‘republicans are optimists’ bit. Thats why they’ve spent so much time pefecting the campaign of the smear. The “Southern Strategy” is also a triumph of optimism!
also, @11
How can you talk about these things Mark, and accuse people of being ‘one dimensional catchphrase mongers’ and not mention MR. CAPSLOCK PINHEAD?
windie @ 44
I did make reference to Cynical, but lumped him in with “the counterparts on the Right.” I didn’t mention every verbally-vomitting Leftie, either, but merely named a few that are particularly monotonous. I also tend to skip the rants with lots of caps, so I don’t pay attention who writes those. Roger, Donna et al are more devious and at least have the outward appearance of logical, reasonable posts.
As for the “campaign of the smear,” that is not solely a GOP strategy. Besides, what one side calls a “smear,” the other side calls “revealing information the public needs to know.”
Roger @ 42
You’re a simpleton. The whole world isn’t black and white. Not all people with an interest in politics are partisan automatons like you, Donna, Lucy…
Since I know you’ve had one or two reasonable things to say in the past, I can only presume that when you get all wound up, it is a meds issue or perhaps the onset of dementia or senility.
Mark: Roger Rabbitt is a prime example of the axiom “The party in power is arrogant and smug, the party out of power is insane.”
44
Yikes! Someone actually SLEPT with Ann Coulter? You mean … like … sex? Eeeeek! Did Hannity and Drudge get, you know, bugs?
46
A smear, by definition, is a lie. For example, the Swift Boat Veterans ran a smear campaign, not an “information” campaign, against John Kerry because what they said about him were lies.
47 & 48
Hmmm let’s see. The right calls liberals “commies,” “socialists,” “traitors,” “anti-American,” “un-American,” “unpatriotic,” and “terrorists;” and Ann Coulter says liberals should be put in “concentration camps” and “executed.”
You’re accusing ME of “getting wound up?”
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You guys are a riot! :D
You’re right about 1 thing, Mark: I’m a simple bunny. When somebody says they’re gonna take me out, I lock and load! What’s “insane” about that? Seems utterly rational to me.
For example, the Swift Boat Veterans ran a smear campaign, not an “information” campaign, against John Kerry because what they said about him were lies.
What lies?
Rufus:
Outside the fact that John Kerry actually served in Viet Nam, name one truth in the Swift Boat ads.