He proposes more drilling offshore and then the Gulf of Mexico is hit by an oil disaster. Maybe tri-strangulation has limits.
Try that shit in the Pacific Northwest, motherfucker. God this party sucks.
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Drill baby drill! all you people opposed to drilling, please go sell your car and resort the riding your bike…you cant have it both ways.
“God this party sucks.”
Yeah but the other party sucks much worse.
“Try that shit in the Pacific Northwest”
Not gonna be a problem. The Pacific Northwest has NO oil or natural gas. The geological conditions needed to create it never existed here. A couple of the oil majors did exploratory drilling off our coasts years ago and the core samples showed there’s no reason to ever spend another dime on oil and gas exploration here.
Jon
Great timing, wasn’t it? I think Obama might just be blessed. I’m quite sure he knows his drilling proclamation is full of it, but he’s got other priorities to press. Just before this wretched blow in the Gulf of Mexico, he announces his support for drilling. Then, the blow occurs. How many coastal states are going to be waving their hands for offshore drilling when that oil hits coastlines in a day or two? Now, the Administration can say, “for fuck’s sake,” to the oil industry and change positions. Blessed by God, I say, blessed by God.
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@1 Typical of the thoughtful response we’ve come to expect from righties. America has 5% of the world’s oil and consumes 25% of its oil production. Drilling can’t get you there, baby.
The largest oilfield found in the Gulf of Mexico to date is Thunderhorse, which holds an estimated 1 billion recoverable barrels of oil. The U.S. consumes a billion barrels of oil every 50 days. An oilfield containing a million barrels of oil would supply the U.S. for about 1 hour.
State of the art technology, a drilling rig designed to be pretty much unsinkable, a sophisticated blow out device installed at the head of the well on the floor of the sea and yet it is still leaking 5,000 barrels a day!
What a clusterf**k!
And Sarah says,
“Drill, baby, drill.”
Yeah, that really works out well, doesn’t it?
Puddy, Klynical, Maxie, Mark, Troll, et al. Your comments, please.
You can’t have it both ways, proud Hopium-huffing leftist.
Sarah isn’t president…OILbama is. Oilbama is the one who signed off on Drill, baby, drill.
Let’s hope that this sad disaster will at least protect the Chesapeake from suffering the same fate under Oilbama’s misguided plan.
Lefty prayers are answered; admit it, you love this, gives you and glorious leader freedom to limit drilling
(his earlier opening up of drilling was orwellian, did no such thing). Now you can really crack down.
Enough said.
Amazingly Louisiana Governor, Bobby Jindal, has not called upon America’s foremost energy expert, half-term governor Sarah Moosilini Palin, to help. Wonder why.
Bobby knows Me.
#1 Actually it’s far worse. It’s not just driving (gasoline). Sure we can all drive electric cars. Much of the oil is used for industrial purposes, making plastics and such products:
* Plastics
* Fertilizer
* Synthetic rubber
* Polyester
* Ethane and other short-chain alkanes used as fuel
* Diesel
* Fuel oils
* Jet fuel
* Kerosene
* Alkenes (olefins) manufactured into plastics
* Lubricants (produces light machine oils, motor oils, etc)
* Wax
* Sulfur or Sulfuric acid (useful industrial material)
* Bulk tar
* Asphalt
* Petroleum coke (used in speciality carbon products)
* Paraffin wax
* Aromatic petrochemicals to be used as precursors in other chemical production.
So we’ll be drilling for oil even if we give up our cars for electric or bikes.
Eventually we will replace it with something better for us/environment. IN THE MEAN TIME, the biggest problem is us having to beg for oil from the middle east. You think George W. Bush would have been kissing and holding hands with the Saudi prince (who’s probably funding half the terrorism in the middle east) if we didn’t need their oil? If we could JUST limit it to our domestic oil production for industrial uses I’d be (somewhat) happy.
@9 “Oilbama is the one who signed off on Drill, baby, drill.”
It takes 10 years to develop an offshore oilfield. This well didn’t appear overnight. It was authorized by the Bush administration, jackass.
@10 I’m impressed by your ability to prove every day that you’re stupider than you were the day before. You continually transcend the mathematical limit to how stupid a person can become.
@1
It’s not our fault that you can only engage in all or nothing thinking.
http://www.iep.utm.edu/fallacy/#Black-or-White
@3 Drat, you beat me too it.
@14 “IN THE MEAN TIME, the biggest problem is us having to beg for oil from the middle east.”
I need to correct this. Only a small percentage of the oil consumed in the U.S. comes from the middle east. We import 63% of our supply, but it mostly comes from our own hemisphere. Our two biggest oil suppliers are Mexico and Canada. We get some oil from Saudi Arabia, but the middle east collectively supplies less than 10% of our needs. Middle east oil primarily goes to Europe and Asia. In the Pacific Northwest, virtually all of our gasoline comes from Alaskan crude.
I understand the political calculation that O et al made when he endorsed off shore drilling — it allows Ds like Begich and Webb to vote for the energy / climate bill. It sucks, but I get it.
But here’s the thing:
http://www.energybulletin.net/node/52603
That’s a quote from a report by the US Joint Forces Command in early April 2010 — the senior military leadership.
I wish I could post the graphic at the link.
Take a close look, it should scare the fuck out of you. It should be burned into the retinas of all Americans. Because it says we’re well and truly fucked. Life as we know it, the so called American Dream and the days of Happy Motoring will soon be a memory. And it will really, really suck.
As Alki notes above, oil is deeply embedded in everything we have come to know and love. It’s not just driving and powering ourselvees and our economy, lots of us will struggle just to feed our families.
So forget about C02 and climate change — they matter but we’re going to change our energy habits whether we like it or not and for most us, it will not be pretty.
Think the Teahadists are crazy now? Just wait.
The Gulf blowout is shaping up to become the worst oil spill in U.S. history, and one of the worst environmental disasters of all time. This event proves beyond argument how tragically wrong the “drill, baby, drill” crowd were. We already know how wrong conservatives were about the economy, Iraq, and foreign policy. Conservatives haven’t gotten a damn thing right. Only idiots vote for conservatives.
@19
Yup! Peak Oil is here and it isn’t pretty.
I wonder if I could power something with the two-week old buckwheat crepe batter that I just found in the back of my fridge? It looks like oil and is off-gassing, it might work!
I couldn’t be happier; the timing couldn’t be better. “Peak Oil” is an evocative term which I think polarizes the debate and turns off status quo consumerists (and that’s most of us, really) but it’s coming (or may be here) and I’d rather people start thinking about and planning for a future when we use less than be shocked into irrational and panicked confusion when we’re forced to use less.
As for Sportsmans Paradise? God must hate them or something.
Michael, that off gassing is probably CO2 – you’re contributing to climate change!
how sick and disgusting. People are actually HAPPY for this oil spill, because they think it helps push their political agenda.
what the fuck makes you any different than the assholes who hoped for a terrorist attack while obama is in office, just to make him look bad.
NOTHING!
Just another group of sick fucks who put politics above everything else
fuck off
Well, that’s what happens when you drill, baby, drill: inevitably someone will spill, baby, spill.
glob +1
Well so is this guy (kind of):
http://energyfromthorium.com/2.....1-missing/
He doesn’t strike me as a total lefty.
The solution is at hand. It’ll take 10 years of concentrated effort but we’d better start soon.
@24
Do righties call crepes “freedom pancakes”?
28 – Oh and another thing…
The solution is being delayed by what else?
POLITICS..
It does cover somewhat the political spectrum but everyone should know that not disturbing the status quo is primarily an attribute of the right.
RR & 18: Yes, it’s true that only a small part of U.S. current oil consumption comes from the Middle East. But it doesn’t matter. Oil is a commodity, and supply issues anywhere in the world result in shortages/price swings everywhere else. A lot of Americans were upset in the early 1980’s to find that Alaska crude would be shipped mostly to Japan, but that just freed up other oil for us to use. But I think you know that, and were just making the clarification for everyone’s benefit.
Besides, one of the biggest producers of oil in the Western Hemesphere is Venezuella, and we aren’t on very good terms with them right now, either.
Zotz @ 19: Since my youth “experts” have always said that serious oil shortages, except for those caused by political events like war in the middle east, are always fifty years or more in the future. Just long enough so we don’t worry about it too much, and no politician ever got elected to office promising to extract personal sacrifices from voters in order to solve a problem a half-century away.
But I’m now in my 50’s, and despite the discovery of oil researves in northern Alaska and offshore drilling in the Gulf and North Sea, that “fifty-years in the future” prediction is rapidly about to hit us like a freight train. California reserves are just about exhausted, Texas & Oklahoma wells have only a little longer life, and U.S. domestic production will be limited to offshore wells and drilling in environmentally sensitive ares after that, which will not fill the void but might delay the day the taps run dry for a few more years.
In the face of this diminished supply, Chinese consumption of oil has rapidly cut into the available production and allocated reserves. What might have lasted for another twenty years looks like it might now last for five. It’s like trying to ration water from a canteen with holes in it.
So the short answer is that we have to make the conversion – quickly – to alternative sources of energy, so that what oil is available can be used for production of other products. We might find that we will need to use concrete to build our roads and parking lots, rather than asphalt. There’s no reason why we can’t put solar panels on every house in America over the next fifteen years or so, which will at least provide enough electricity for most of that house’s needs, thereby reducing requirements for oil or coal-fired electric generating plants.
You must be feeling lucky, punks.
Or you foolishly feel that our friend, who is a good man, will choose to stay friendly with shit-eating shits like you. Joke would be on you if our friend, who is a Christian and a gentleman, chose to backslide for four minutes at the Montlake some Tuesday eve.
Four minutes. That’s how long it would take our briefly backsliding friend to wipe the yuks off your faces. One minute to put away the two of you who try to make a stand, three minutes to catch the one who tries to run. You know who are, little sister.
Then our friend would revert to Christian charity. He’d help you with your new halos, help you deploy your new Strykers, maybe help you blog some clever scat at HA.
But he won’t help you piss through a hose or shit in a bag. You’ll have to do the dirty work yourselves.
At last we have the solution to our Rabbit problem. Send Judge Rabbit, who’s a judge in about the same way that Judge Reinhold is a judge, to the Supreme Court. There he can blather himself silly (sillier) with Scalia while perhaps giving us a blessed break.
Larcency is the sincerest form of flattery. Am honored that variations of my tags often end up at the top of Mr. DeVore’s excellent posts.
Alluded a couple weeks ago to Heckuva Job Brownie. Was obliquely making the point that it’s been a very long time since goldy had a score.
Yesterday’s suggestion that the Gulf’s spill-baby-spill (how’s that for larceny and flattery) is ELF-like sabotage of Obama’s commitment to off-shore exploration is inoperative today. Today the buzz is that everything’s back to normal. No need to blame or impugn the left. Just do what we always do at times like this, blame Halliburton.
Big Oil’s Big Swingin’ Dick Cheney, one way or another, is trying to kill the coast. Show trials will start any day now. Bet on it.
A little scat, there.
Notice how rhp tries to be the little plastic bride on every wedding cake and the corpse at every funeral? Kind of puts himself at the center of everything?
A couple days ago our good friend Puddy started to tell us about DWB, something he’s maybe seen up close, and rhp launched a long soliloquy about his ride-alongs. Absolutely fascinating stuff, of course, but isn’t it possible that Puddy has better information? Stuff that’s even more fascinating about the 3-P topics of profiling and police power that are in this week’s news?
@31, rhp: Amen to all that.
I should have made this clearer in my comment relevant to O’s decision to allow offshore drilling (beyond the crass political calculation):
It wasn’t the DFHs who inhabit this little progressive web space named after a horse’s nether regions and others like it saying we’re out of oil, it was the top echelon of the US military leadership. A couple months ago, the Kuwaitis also admitted that the game was up (2014).
O et al must be keenly aware.
It sucks to drill. It’s dirty, nasty, filthy stuff and it’s killing us and the planet.
But we’re gonna drill — because there is no alternative to oil for things like industrial scale agriculture.
The key is making sure we do it with the minimum amount of damage possible and work toward using it for things that have no other alternative — in the context of managing a severely damaged economy absolutely dependent on it.
So long clarification short, I was basically responding to Jon’s criticism of the President: O is doing what must be done and this latest spill, as catastrophic as it is, isn’t gonna change that.
@36…..agree 100%.
32 – HNMT – take your meds dude.
The “gentleman” you refer to has nasty fantasies about his ideological adversaries’ daughters and brags about his organ size to his sockpuppet.
No I don’t care to meet him anywhere, anytime. I don’t need people like him or YOU in my life. This forum is as close as it gets.
I’ve chided him about enrolling his kids in a socialist university over the virtues of practicing enhanced interrogation in blood-soaked combat theatres of choice but nothing about peddling their flesh to nearest Republican politician.
So get real – heh. Like that’ll ever happen.
With energy cheap enough, you can synthesize any compound needed for agriculture. All you need is heat.
You can make organic molecules of anything that contains carbon like ag/forest wastes or even municipal waste. Again all you need is cheap energy.
Where do you get it? You can hold a lifetime’s supply of it in the palm of your hand. It’s four times more abundant than uranium.
See the link at 28.
@39: I know about thorium. Hope it happens.
I have doubts about cheap and ownership by the nuclear industry establishment.
Let the Navy Nucs (not the NRC) run it and I’d be (a little) more positive.
No one with a profit motive should be allowed anywhere near nucs of any kind.
I have nasty fantasies about you. So?
If our friend were NOI instead of Millerite, or whatever his preference is, the ignoble ease of your wasted life would be over. Your life would still go on, because our friend is a gentleman, but the slothful ease you’re accustomed to would be forever over.
@40: No one with a profit motive …
And the preferred alternative is rampant manic regulation? The kind that let almost-China Syndrome TMI happen?
On the other hand, the regulatory state has permitted about fifty good years of nuclear power here. The problem is that a melding of regulation and quasi-corporate capitalism in nuclear power means socialized risk and privatized reward, which twists risks, rewards, and incentives.
40 – I hear you. I rail against the status quo nuke industry every chance I get. And you’re right. The LFTR is so disruptive, it damages their business model beyond recognition.
Navy nucs ran TMI. Navy nucs have always dominated nuclear power. But LFTR is completely different. More of a chem plant operators’ kind of thing.
And it’s inherently safe. If it overheats, it just drains into a safety tank. No substitute of course for sensible regulation and top-flight training of operations people.
41 – I care nothing about your miserable life. You seemed to be obsessed with mine..
It’s too amusing.
@42:
It’s all about priorities; laissez-faire is suicide:
1. Safety (construction and maintenance; training and oversight of operators and staff, etc.)
2. Service / supply to users
3. Cost
No corporation is ever going to have the above priorities in the correct order.
In fact, by law, a corporation’s sole reason for existence, its fiduciary obligation, is to maximize profit to its shareholders. Which means their priorities will always be suspect and therefore must be strictly regulated if we’re smart.
I would be OK with a cookie cutter, government owned — contractor operated set up. The best outcome would be a national nuclear PUD.
Dr. Dre does have a point here.
liars….you guys would never let a nuke reactor get built. heck, if you can’t handle windmills of nantucket, i doubt you’d ever build a nuke in the US.
i used to hate nukes…but if done right, i guess they are our only option, save for living in tents in some 8th century existance.
46 – You get more disconnected from reality each day you post.
We generally laugh when the right wing takes our advice and goes further to the right to solve their problems.
In your case, it’s kind of depressing. It’s horrible to witness.
so 47, we have growing population, and a touch choice (go dark ages, hope for alternatives, or add nuclear). Just asking ya.
Yes here’s a heck of a job Odumba…
“Iran’s unchallenged election, at a meeting in New York Wednesday, came just over a week after Iranian media quoted a senior Islamic cleric in Tehran as saying that immodest dress and behavior by women was to blame for an increase in earthquakes.
More than 200 Iranian women’s rights activists sent an open letter to the U.N. earlier this week, warning that Iranian membership would be “a serious threat” to the CSW’s “goals and mission,” and that the government would use it “to curtail progress and the advancement of women.””
Odumba.. asleep at the switch!
Righton,
When the dumb brick arschloch attacks you, wear it as a badge of honor! Remember the “catalyst’ said this above…
Yep, the king of hot air is telling all of us how to produce… Puddy bets the arschloch is one of those agricultural hybrids you hear on the news…
“to curtail progress and the advancement of women.”
Good grief, Puddy, that’s exactly what you wingnut throwbacks want. Put those bitches back in the kitchen and the bedroom where they belong! One would think you’d be thrilled. A theocracy with oppressed women. What’s not for a wingnut like you to like?
48 – Can’t you fucking read? I guess you can, sort of, because you called me a liar which puts you a step ahead of reading comprehension challenged Stupes @ 50.
Yeah, I’m pro nuclear but are LWRs (the only kind in production) the answer? Fuck no. There’s only a little over 400 of them in the entire world. Why? They’re too damn expensive.
We’d have only 1000 mainframe computers in the entire world if the computer industry had the mentality of the nuke power industry.
Nuclear power is a THREAT. A threat to the most politically powerful and well-connected industry in the entire world – fossil fuels. When you can hold a lifetime’s supply of energy in the palm of your hand – that scares the crap out of bloated executives standing in line to cash in their stock optionsl
I’m sorry. We’re only going to have the status quo if shit head right wingers are in charge. All rhetoric – no action. You’ll see dozens more coal plants go up all around the world for each nuke that right wing ribbon cutters will smile for the cameras to show off how pro nuke they are.
the oil spill in Mexico would surely be one of the greatest environmental disasters for this year.:.,
great post as usual!