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I challenge each and every one of you gullible fucking idiots to ride a fucking metro bus to DL to do your part to reduce your “carbon footprint”.
Your gawd algore would be proud of you.
C’mon…”do the right thing”.
Here’s a great topic for you to discuss tonight… algore being a fucking empty skirt on iraq
youtubeDOTcom/watch?v=9JE48XHKG64
Hey Goldy – How’s the donations jar lookin’ lately? Since you have no marketable skills, life must be tough for you.
Are you up to one tenth of one percent of what Tim gets from his supporters? Let me know when ya get there.
OHHH, GawWwwwd [JCH] you are ATLAS!!!! Grab that STEM, buhhday and RIDe that 500 pound TOMMYHAAAWWWWK to freedom-a quarter ton of pure unadultered CONSERVATIVE JIZZZUMMM—–SHRUGGAH-SHRUGGAH-SHRUGGAH….Oh, Oh, Oh, aaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh!!!!! You are some humpa-humpa ringa dingahhhh do wHHHAAHHH Dooooodeey, BAY-OH-BAY!!!!!!!
How’s the weather today in Algona? Per my lawyer’s instructions, send money.
COME ATLAS! Come. Come. Come. YOU ARE The [MTR]LOOOOOOoooRD! You have grasped the STEM and raised the HOLY SHAFT of RIGHTEOUSNESS!!!
OH, MY! OH, MY! OOOOOOH MY gawwwwwwwwwd!!! You are one HUMPA HUMPA flagellante DINGY DONG AROOOOO!!!!!!!
SHRUG,
SHRUGGAH
SHRUGGAH
SHRUG.
You are one wicked bitch [MTR]
I will be jailed soon. Weep for me my Atlas, and (always) send money.
@4: MTR has taken the place of the cowardly JCH. Plus he claims to have money.
Editing is HARD!
[MTR] , you ARE ATLAS!!!! The world sh—udddddders when you SHRUG. The very BOWELS of Pacific (You’ll have to explain that one to me oh GREAT SHRUGGER!!! I always thought Pacific was an ocean) RUMBLE with RIGHTEOUS WRATH when the OUTRAGEOUS SHAFT OF CONSSSSSSEEEERRRRRRVVVVATIVE REDEMPTION is RAIZZZED on high!!!!!!!!
You are ONE lapilooooooooooooozzzzza ringa dingahh, [MTR]. My blood races in the presence of your 500 pound TOMMMY-HAWK. Raise it high and shrug, [MTR]!!!!
SHRUG! SHRUGGAH-SHRUGGAH!! Ahhhh-oooooooo, booghah, booghah!!!
Please continue to send monetary donations, [MTR]. Incarceration commences shortly.
Come to me [MTR]. Come. Come, come COME, [MTR]. Keep COMMMING, COMMIING, COMING, [MTR]. MY ATLAS, COME, COME COME!!!!!!! I shall be imprisoned soon, and the LOOOOOORRRDDD! Is my Shepherd, and you, [MTR] will be MaaaHHHYYY BAR OF SOAP. Oh [MTR]!!! You BITCH SCHLLLAPPPING FOOL , you. You are my hero, ATLAS!!!!
Raise the SHAFT of your all powerful LOONLY individualism, AND SHRUG, [MTR]!! SHRUGGAH, SHRUGGAH….SHRUG!!! eeeeeeeyyyyyooooooooooooooooowwwwhoooooo!!!! Oh, [JCH]…MY ATLAS!!! You truly are an island. Oh, oh, oh, oh …..oh ohohohoh. Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!
Send money, Atlas. Send until it drops with righteous exhaustion, but send. It is your destiny, my little soap bar.
Maybe you moonbats can splain sumfin to a redneck.
The worst president this country has ever had (TWPTCHEH) says that GWB is “criminal” for not recognizing Hamas.
newsDOTyahooDOTcom/s/ap/20070619/ap_on_re_eu/carter_us_palestinians
Now if I understand things, Hamas is A FUCKING TERRORIST ORGANIZATION and idiot fucking jimmy carter calls GWB “criminal” for not recognizing them? What the fuck is wrong with TWPTCHEH? Has he lost his fucking mind? And this guy is a “peace prize” winner?
Double digit inflation. Enery crisis and double digit unemployment.
Shaaaaapoooooooopy
Take that to the worst ever president bank.
But he is so ‘peaceful’
Economic woes vs. pointless death of our armed forces and absolutely incompetent foreign policy.
Which is worst?
http://seattletimes.nwsource.c.....urs19.html
This wouldn’t be necessary if you chickenshit chickenhawk Publicans would support our troops by taking their place. You claim we need this war – well go fight in it you fucking cowards.
Most of you should consider not drinking and posting. Especially, you, MTR.
Sorry to miss this evening. It’d be fun to meet thehim. Have fun all.
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My foriegn policy consisted of me bending over and spreading my ass cheeks while the other dictator tyrant wiped his balls off on my face.
Shaaaaapoooooooopy
Take that to the (worst ever president) bank.
Their performance on this thread demonstrates a compelling need to raise the legal drinking age for Republicans. Indeed, absent a terminal disease, I believe we should not let them have access to intoxicants at all. Sober, they are incapable of reason. Drunk, they cannot even type a coherent sentence.
Why do the Publicans support the terrorists?
Why does AWOL George hate our troops?
MTR was using some PudWax-speak. Stay in character.
Rather funny. One of our resident wingnuts has started making up stories about President Carter in a rather pathetic attempt to keep our current President from being considered the absolute worst President in the history of the United States.
Said wingnut is having to fabricate rumors about a former President because our current one has managed to do such a poor job at everything he has attempted that he is no longer in a race for the worst, but has left the pack behind and is in a class entirely by himself.
And while our current President is far and away the worst President in history, most of the people that are in the race for second worst are Republicans, so he(?) can’t use them to deflect the title from GWB.
President Carter is around the middle of the pack, as Presidents go. He was honest, a bit too trusting of his advisers, worked hard and tried to do a good job for the country. He inherited a mess left over from Presidents Nixon and Ford, and he did what he could with it, while being honest with the country.
Telling people that it would take hard work and a few years to fix an economic nightmare is honest, but unpopular, as is holding to our convictions in not negotiating with terrorists, even when they hold our people hostage.
Promising magic cures to the economy (voodoo economics) while secretly selling missiles and fighter parts to the Iranians in order to get our hostages back is much more popular.
President Carter isn’t even in the running for worst President. Our current leader has that title all to himself.
Second could go to President Nixon, although Presidents Grant, Taft and Hoover are also in the running. But my vote for second worst would have to go to Warren G. Harding, who could be considered to be the architect of the Second World War, by keeping us out of the League of Nations, effectively ruining any chance of that body being an effective international forum.
President Carter needed to be a more effective communicator. His speeches were not stirring, and he didn’t gloss over unpleasant truths. While not the worst President, he also wasn’t the best.
But George Walker Bush, forty-third President of the United States of America has the title of “Worst President Ever” tied up.
God help us if he ever loses it.
1, 2 Keep pumping my gas into your SUV, Redneck! And pay your fucking gambling debt.
Man I just LOVE the idea of Redneck funding Hugo Chavez’s leftist revolution in South America.
@10 Why do wingnuts always impersonate Democrats? Are they too ashamed of Republicans to impersonate Republicans?
@16 Republicans shouldn’t be allowed to drink at any age. They shouldn’t be allowed to vote at any age, either.
@20 We wouldn’t be paying $3.50 for gas if Ronnie Raygun hadn’t scrapped Carter’s energy plans.
Isn’t Jimmy Cahhhhhhrter the one who titled his book: Peace not Apartheid? Has he been to South Africa during apartheid?
@20: John, James Buchannan was pretty bad.
@25: Roger, yes, better to spend our wealth on the Star Wars boondoggle.
Proud:
Yes, President Buchanan was a man far behind his times, although I’ve always had a bit of sympathy for him, ever since I had to do a report on his Presidency back in grade school. He never wanted the job in the first place.
He’s also a wonderful example of compromise gone bad. I have mentioned that moderates look for consensus more than compromise. President Buchanan is an excellent lesson as to the reason for that.
President Buchanan certainly wasn’t a great (or even good) President, and was way over his head with the events of the day, but was honest, diligent and tried to do a good job, although his stand on a couple of issues (most especially slavery) do place him in the lower ranks of Presidents overall.
He believed the propaganda of the time regarding slavery, and that will forever taint him. Another good example of a President ignoring unpleasant facts in favor of personal beliefs.
Wrong man for the job, but he wasn’t in it for personal gain or cronyism, and he also recognized the fact that he was the wrong man for the job and refused to run for a second term.
Now that Rompin Rudy’s South Carolina campaign chief got busted for coke posession (something he has in common with the Commander and Thief) who will Rudy find to replace him and can’t you fucking Publican drug addicts put the pipe down for even five minutes? No wonder you fucked up the passport situation, grew the largest budget deficit in history, lost the Iraq war and left hundreds to die in Katrina – you’re all fucking stoned out of your minds.
Goldy,
Read this:
http://blogs.nypost.com/movies....._on_m.html
Yeah, Kyle Smith is talking about you when he says:
The silliness of Moore’s oeuvre is so self-evident that being able to spot it is not liberal or conservative either; it’s a basic intelligence test, like the ability to match square peg with square hole.
What’s really Sicko is that you are actually smarter than you let on. You know full well that socialized medicine won’t solve the problem, just like you could do quite well on an intelligence test. But you pander to Moore’s lies because it fits your agenda. That’s sociopathic.
Like Kyle Smith also notes, this is not a right – left issue. We can all agree that insurance companies are sucking right now, and that the costs are mostly high because there’s no checking force within the system.
But, you need to get a job and work within the current system if you want more and better healthcare like the rest of your middle and upper middle class peers. Otherwise, STFU and stop pandering to Michael Moore who is an obvious and proven liar.
30 I worked “within the current system” for years, and I know many other people who still do, including the occupant of the other side of my bed. Almost all of ’em are agreed that the system is bad and getting worse at an accellerating pace, and there’s little if anything they can do about it.
BuyIt2 said:
Ok, Mr. Buyit. Here is where we can find common ground to discuss this issue.
Certainly single-payer health insurance has its own set of problems. Many of us, myself included, think that those problems are less critical than the problems with the current system, and we have some reasonably good single-payer systems to point at as examples.
But they aren’t the only answer.
Some of the folks objecting to single-payer systems make the perfectly valid claim that folks with enough money to purchase medical care that would be better than the overall plan are often frustrated by the fact that the single-payer system either uses up the available resources, or that laws are enacted forbidding people from using their resources to obtain better treatment.
Often both problems occur simultaneously.
Politicians will also be under pressure to reduce costs, and therefore the niceties of the current system will likely be the first to go. Elective surgery will become difficult to obtain.
None of these problems will make much difference to the vast majority of individuals using the system, as those of us on HMO plans have been dealing with these pressures for years.
Those few individuals that have sufficient resources to provide for the very best in medical care will likely object, as they will not like having to pay for the single-payer plan and also pay again for top-tier care (that most of us don’t get now).
Apparently we agree that the current system is broken. Analysis of health care costs shows clearly that the cost to the taxpayers and general public is significantly higher because the poorest of us are not provided with adequate health care, and hence use the emergency rooms as their primary care provider, at high cost to the hospitals (and hence to all health care users).
Do you have solutions that would work better than single-payer? I’m listening.
@32: Nice try John, but you have to understand you are dealing with a hateful, spiteful piece of political dreck whose whole argument comes down to a series of unsupported assertions (you know, like, “…Moore is a proven liar”*, etc., etc.). You might as well try to convince paint on the wall to change color by itself.
Curiously, the Buy It person refers to the lack of a “checking force” wrt to health care costs. WTF did he have in mind? If the market rations health care, like it rations Bentleys then there certainly is a “checking force”. Perhaps he is refering to divine intervention, who knows?
The info on Buchannan is greatly appreciated.
*Of course an assertion totally irrelevant to the question at hand, but folks like Buy It are simply dishonest. It follows that they are not worthy of rational discourse, but only our derision and our scorn.
Take care, John.
Proud:
Probably so, but always worth the attempt. Once in a while I get pleasantly surprised. Sometimes it’s simply that they’ve only heard the propaganda, and a dialog will get them thinking.
And once in a very great while, it turns out they actually have an idea.
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Maybe so, but unless I miss my guess (an educated guess based on almost three decades online) I would say that 98% of the trolls on here are just here to push our buttons. What a psychologist friend of mine used to call “poking the monkeys through the bars with a stick.” They don’t care about debate. They get off on watching us react. Usually I try not to give them the satisfaction.
Of course there is always the chance that someone else will learn something from the attempt at informing the trolls. I learn a lot by just reading the posts here.
I participate in the system to the tune of $150 Every. Single. Bloody. Week. And what does it get me?
This morning I got to pay a $40 copay to a specialist for 15 minutes of her time to renew some prescriptions.
Tomorrow I get to mail the prescriptions off to the mail-order pharmacy. I am getting off easy in this case — they are only going to charge me about $500 for three months worth of medicines and other supplies.
Then I get to contact my dental provider to find out when they are going to pay $600 worth of claims for routine periodontic cleaning that should be automatic, but they claim that I have some sort of waiting period before I can receive benefits (which is bullshit).
I don’t really see why I should have to jump through hoops like these just to stay alive. Between me and the rest of the family I’m paying over $1000 a month on the average just for health care. God forbid I should lose my job or get seriously sick.
THE WINGNUTS ARE GOING TO GO INTO A FROTH OVER MOORE’S SICKO. THEY’RE GOING TO COPY AND PASTE TALKING POINTS IN A FRENZY NOT SEEN SINCE SCHIAVO.
THE PUPPETMASTERS OF COURSE ARE THE RNC, THE MEDICAL INSURANCE INDUSTRY AND BIG PHARMA.
ONE TERM BEING REPEATED OVER AND OVER IS “SOCIALIZED MEDICINE”. OVER AND OVER IT’S REPEATED. SOCIALIZED MEDICINE IS WHERE THE HOSPITALS AND CLINICS ARE OWNED AND RUN BY THE GOVERNMENT LIKE IN GREAT BRITAIN. ALL HEALTHCARE WORKERS WORK FOR THE GOVERNMENT. NOBODY IS FOR THAT.
I WANT SINGLE PAYER NATIONAL HEATH INSURANCE BUT I ALSO WANT THE PAYROLL TAX REPLACED BY A CARBON TAX. IF WE CAN GET THE LATTER I BELIEVE WE CAN EASILY GET THE FORMER.
WE CAN RATCHET DOWN THE PAYROLL TAX WHILE RATCHETING UP THE CARBON TAX WHILE OVER TIME ADDING MORE CLASSES OF CITIZENS TO THE NATIONAL HEALTH INSURANCE ROLLS. THOSE WHO ARE CURRENTLY UNINSURED SHOULD OF COURSE BE FIRST.
THE CARBON TAX WILL OVER THE YEARS BECOME THE MOST AVOIDABLE OF TAXES. JUST BE ENERGY EFFICIENT, LIVE AND CONSUME MORE GREEN. THE MARKETS WILL PROVIDE A HOST OF CHEAP GOODS AND SERVICES TO HELP PEOPLE DO JUST THAT.
June 19, 2007 – China has officially surpassed the United States in CO2 emissions.
Hmmm… So I guess…
The US is not the leader…
Global warming is good now… or maybe non-existent again…
I guess GWB was correct not to give in…
Maybe Algore’s new movie can be titled “an inconvenient fact”…
Maybe Algore can sign the Kyoto accord for the whole world…
Maybe Algore needs to get China to create some environmental laws…
Wait a minute… Algore would need to purchase carbon credits to fly to China…
Did you know you are breathing China’s pollution…
BTW Idioto@37: The above is not printed in a US MSM fish rag!
PUDDYSTUPID: WHY DON’T YOU GO ONE BETTER AND CONVINCE CHINA YOURSELF. YOU CERTAINLY HAVE EGO ENOUGH FOR IT.
OH I GET IT. GLOBAL WARMING IS A SIGN OF THE “END TIMES”.
YOU CALLED IT PUDDY ‘CUZ YOUR SOME GENIUS OR SOMETHING OR YOU GOT THE INSIDE SCOOP FROM THE MAN UPSTAIRS.
YEAH RIGHT.. DREAM ON, PFOOL..
OH AND IDIOT @ 38 THANKS FOR NOT HIDING THAT BEHIND TINYURL. I CAN SEE AT A GLANCE IT’S WORTHLESS.