The Seattle Times editorial board excoriates the Bush administration today for its warrantless eavesdropping program, and congratulates a federal judge for ruling it illegal and unconstitutional.
Congress has been utterly useless in holding the administration accountable for key parts of its national-security policy and its handling of the war in Iraq. In the face of an outright abandonment of oversight of the chief executive, the task has fallen to the judicial branch.
Of course, I agree.
But it raises a question. I’ve been willing to bet dollars to doughnuts that the Times endorses both Mike McGavick and Dave Reichert in November’s general election — if only to cater to its publisher’s fetish for repealing the estate death Blethen Tax. And yet the editorial board acknowledges that we are in the midst of “a fundamental struggle over the rule of law and checks and balances.”
Hmm.
I am curious to see whether the Times lives up to its own oversight obligations, or instead chooses the narrow economic interests of its owners over the welfare of the nation by endorsing candidates who would sustain a Republican majority that has willfully abdicated Congress’ role as a coequal branch of government?
It is time for the conservatives in this country to understand that that the end does not justify the means. For years they have assumed much power not granted by the constitution. It is my hope that even though the Supreme Court is convservative, that it will use its independence and uphold the law, rather than “legislate from the bench”.
Now off topic for a bit. Mark the Red Nekkid asshole left a post for me in the last couple of days on another thread. The post follows along with my answers to his incendiary questions. This man is ignorant, incapable of compassion and one of the most hateful, arrogant, biggoted conservative assholes walking upright (barely).
Mark the Red Nekkid Asshole @ 69,
Following is your post with my answers in caps. I can wait to see you childish response when I tear apart your carefully worded (loaded) questions.
Carl Grossman ? Proud Librul Democrat
You have eloquently stated your hatred for conservative ideals. That means you pass the first test of being a moonbat; an ideology based on blind hate. Congratulations, you should be proud of yourself.
But I?ve yet to see you engage in any substantive debate of moonbat policy issues. So just to get the ball rolling, please comment on any or all of the topics below so we can all get to know you better, and see if you?re a real seattle librul or just a wanna-be. Good luck?
1) Do you hate The Producers? Do you hate people who are more successful than you because they are better educated, work harder, and provide more value to society? Do you think these people should be punished for being successful through confiscatory rates of taxation? I DISLIKE ANYONE,INDIVIDUALS OR CORPORATIONS WHO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF OTHERS, BE IS EMOTIONAL, PHYSICAL OR FINANCIAL. TIME AND TIME AGAIN THE CORPORATIONS HAVE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF TAX LOOPHOLES, USED BANKRUPTCY TO SAVE THEMSELVES (WITNESS THE THE RECENT SPATE OF AIRLINES USING THE BANKRUPTCY COURT TO UNDO PENSION PLANS, SLASH WAGES AND OTHERWISE INJURE INNOCENT EMPLOYEES) ALL THE WHILE FAILING TO MENTION THAT THEY WILLINGLY ENTERED INTO THESE AGREEMENTS THAT THEY NOW CLAIM ARE KILLING THEM, DUMPING MILLIONS AND MILLiONS OF PENSION DEBT ONTO THE TAXPAYERS. WINGNUTS DON’T WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS. WHY? BECAUSE WINGNUTS WANT TO PROTECT CORPORATE AMERICA, THAT IS THERE BASE SUPPORT. THIS IS AMERICA, OF COURSE I BEGRUDGE NO ONE SUCCESS. I RESENT THOSE WHO ARE SUCCESSFUL AND SPEND THE MAJORITY OF THEIR TIME FINDING WAYS TO PAY LESS THAN THEIR FAIR SHARE. THE AVERAGE WORKER IN THE COUNTRY LOSES 33% OF HIS WAGES TO TAXES. THE AVERAGE CORPORATION, LESS THAN 10%. THERE IS NO WAY TO JUSTIFY THIS. THE SALARY LEVEL OF CEO’S IS OBSCENE IN THE FACE OF LAYOFFS, PLANT CLOSURES AND OUTSOURCING. SO WHO IS PAYING CONFISCATORY RATES? KINDLY, GO BACK TO THE INTERNET MARK AND READ, RESEARCH AND THINK!
2) Do you hate the initiative process that allows The People to have a loud and decisive vote on major policy issues? Do you believe that political issues are far too complex for the average voter to comprehend? Do you believe that political elites should make the rules and their subjects should simply follow those rules without question? MARK, THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS MAKING AND CHANGING THE RULES AT WILL TO SUBJECT US ALL TO IT WHIMS AND DESIRE, MOSTLY MANIPULATED IN AN ATTEMPT TO STAY IN POWER. IT IS OPERATING ON “KEEP THEM SCARED, KEEP THEM STUPID” PLATFORM. PROBLEM IS, TOO MANY VOICES ARE BEGINNING TO CRY OUT AND WE CAN’T ALL BE SILENCED. THE GOVERNMENT IS FOR THE PEOPLE AND BY THE PEOPLE (WELL UNTIL THE WINGNUTS GOT TO POWER) WE ARE SUPPOSED TO CHOOSE OUR DESTINY, DECIDE THE ISSUES AND LIVE PEACEFULLY. AS FOR THE INITIATIVE PROCESS, I AM FIRM BELIEVER IN IT. YOU DON’T LIKE IT WHEN ONE INDIVIDUAL ABUSES IT AND CAN’T GET HIS INITIATIVES TO EVEN QUALIFY FOR THE BALLOT, SO YOU SCREAM DEMOCRAT CONSPIRACY. FACT IS, I SIGNED THE FIRST $30 DOLLAR TAB PETITION. WHEN I FIGURED OUT THE GUY WHO CIRCULATED IT WAS 1. TOO STUPID TO WRITE IT PROPERLY. 2. WAS LYING AND 3. WAS STEALING AND LYING ABOUT IT, WELL, LIKE MOST OF WASHINGTON I REFUSED TO SIGN HIS BALLOT MEASURES AND WHEN THEY QUALIFIED, I VOTED THEM DOWN. THIS WAS JUST A WAY FOR SOME RICH REPUBLICANS TO RUN AND END AROUND STATE GOVERNMENT.
3) Do you believe that socialism is the answer to America?s problems? Do you believe that the only reason that socialism has never worked is that it just hasn?t had the right people in charge yet? Do you fear big corporations and embrace big government? Do you believe that oppression comes from multinational corporations and freedom comes from government? I AM OPPOSED TO SOCIALISM. THE REST OF YOUR QUESTION IS SO WITHOUT MERIT IT WARRANTS NO ANSWER. I FEAR NOTHING OTHER THAN EXTREMISTS LIKE YOU ATTEMPTING TO EXPLOIT EVERYTHING THEY TOUCH FOR THEIR OWN BENEFIT. TO WIT: TOM DELAY, DUKE CUNNINGHAM, BILL FRIST AND ON AND ON.
4) Do you believe that some people should get special privileges and be exempt from societal norms if their skin is brown, if they have a vagina, or like to take it up the ass? THIS COUNTRY IS BASED ON EQUALITY FOR EVERYONE, NOW READ THIS NEXT PART CAREFULLY: WITHOUT REGARD OF RACE, COLOR, RELIGION, EDUCATION. WE HAVE SINCE ADDED SEXUAL ORIENTATION. THAT WAS NECESSARY BECAUSE SMALL MINDED, BIGOTED INDIVIDUALS, SUCH AS YOURSELF, LIKE TO USE ANY AND ALL OF THE FOREGOING TO DISCRIMINATE, JUDGE, HARASS AND HARANGUE OTHERS YOU DEEM TO BE LESS THAN YOUR SELF. IN OTHER WORDS, IF I AM NOT LILLY WHITE, CHRISTIAN, WEALTHY AND REPUBLICAN. YOU BELITTLE EVERYONE WHO DOES NOT THINK LIKE YOU. THEREFORE WE NEED LAWS TO PROTECT, NOT GIVE SPECIAL PRIVILEGES, BUT RATHER TO HELP INSURE THAT THEY ARE ACCORDED THEIR BASIC RIGHTS. THIS WAS MADE NECESSARY BY MORONS LIKE YOU WHO LIKE TO USE COLOR AND SEXUAL ORIENTATION AS A BASIS OF CHARACTER ASSASSINATION AND DISCRIMINATION. I KNOW YOUR MIND HATES PEOPLE, WHILE MINE HATES DISCRIMINATION AND PREJUDICE. I HAVE COMPASSION, YOU HAVE FEAR OF WHAT YOU DON’T KNOW, UNDERSTAND OR AGREE WITH.
5) Do you believe that lasting peace comes from understanding your enemy?s position and negotiating a compromise, or from destroying their ability to make war? THERE IS A TIME TO FIGHT. THERE IS A TIME TO TALK. I DON’T BELIEVE THAT OVERWHELMING FORCE MAKES RIGHT. I ALSO DON’T BELIEVE IN TURNING THE OTHER CHEEK. BALANCE IS THE ANSWER, NOT OUR LEADERS FORCING THEIR WILL, LYING TO US TO JUSTIFY IT, AND THEN HAVING NOT THOUGHT FAR ENOUGH AHEAD TO HAVE AN EXIT STRATEGY, AND THEN LEAVING THE MESS FOR THE NEXT ADMINISTRATION TO CLEAN-UP AND FINALLY COMPLAINING ABOUT THE CLEAN-UP PLAN. MILITARY FORCE IS SOMETIMES STRONGEST WHEN IT USED AS A THREAT, NOT AN ACTION. THIS IS LESSON ONE IN STRATEGIC PLANNING.
6) Do you believe single mothers are the pillars of society? WHAT ARE YOU SMOKING. THIS IS ASININE. THIS IS NOT A QUESTION, THIS A STATEMENT. WHAT, ARE YOU JEALOUS NO WOMAN WILL HAVE YOUR BABY?
7) Do you think The People in the Second Amendment are a different group of People than those in the First, Fourth, Ninth and Tenth? THERE IS NOT ENOUGH SPACE ON THIS SERVER FOR ME TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION WITH ANY JUSTICE. HOWEVER, DUMBASS, EACH OF THESE AMENDMENTS STANDS ON ITS OWN, PROTECTING US ALL. NONE IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE OTHER. THIS QUESTION IS AKIN TO ASKING ME WHICH EYEBALL I WANT YOU TO POKE OUT. LOOK ASSHOLE, ALL THESE FREEDOMS ARE IMPORTANT, NONE MORE SO THAN THE OTHER. I AM JEWISH, I OWN WEAPONS, NO ONE KNOCKS ON MY DOOR (WELL THE CURRENT ADMINISTRATION IS TRYING TO USE “TERRORISM” TO SUBVERT THE BILL OF RIGHTS AND COME TO MY HOME PHYSICALLY AND ELECTRONICALLY WITHOUT WARRANT) AND I VOTE IN ALL THE STATE ELECTIONS. AGAIN, READ, LEARN THINK, DUMBASS!
8) Do you think that people who have fucked up their lives through a lifetime of bad choices are entitled to help themselves to the fruits of others? labor in order to cover up the consequences of their own choices? WE HAVE A SOCIAL RESPONSIBILITY TO HELP THOSE LESS FORTUNATE THAN US. UNFORTUNATELY, YOU LIKE TO FOCUS ON THIS PART OF WHERE YOUR TAXES GO, FORGETTING THAT OVERWHELMING PERCENTAGE OF YOUR TAXES GOES TO BASIC SERVICES AND INFRASTRUCTURE. POLICE, FIRE, STREETS, HIGHWAYS, MILITARY, ETC ETC. NEXT TIME YOU ASK A QUESTION THAT YOU THINK IS SO SMART AND SMARMY, READ IT AGAIN AND BE SURE YOU ARE NOT SHOWING YOUR ASS INSTEAD.
9) Do believe that the guilty should be spared and the innocent should be murdered? INNOCENTS ARE ALWAYS MURDERED, WHY DO YOU THINK THEY ARE REFERRED TO AS INNOCENT, FOR FUCKS SAKE, MARK. THE DEATH PENALTY IS WRONG. THE MAJORITY OF WESTERN CIVILIZATION HAS ABOLISHED IT PRACTICE. LIFE IN PRISON WITHOUT PAROLE IS CHEAPER THAN THE UNENDING APPEALS PROCESS NOW USED. IF YOU DON’T BELIEVE ME, READ SCOTT TUROW’S BOOK “ULTIMATE PUNISHMENT”. THE RESEARCH IS CLEAR, THE DEATH PENALTY IS NOT APPLIED EQUALLY WITH REGARD TO ETHNICITY AND OTHER FACTORS. AGAIN, YOU ASKED A QUESTION YOU BELIEVED TO BE UNANSWERABLE. AGAIN, YOU SHOWED YOUR ASS.
10) Which do you think contributes more to solar warming? The SUN or the SUV? MARK, FUCK YOU. THERE IS SO MUCH MORE TO THIS ISSUE THAN SUV’S. YOU DON’T FULLY UNDERSTAND IT, NEITHER DO I. BUT MORE AND MORE OF THE WORLDS MOST RESPECTED SCIENTISTS ARE GETTING IN LINE WITH THE GLOBAL WARMING PROBLEM AND NAMING ITS CAUSES AND EFFECTS. YOUR RELIGION, THE WINGNUT EXTREMIST THAT YOU ARE, PRECLUDES YOU FROM OPEN THINKING AND ACCEPTING THE POSSIBILITY THAT YOU ARE WRONG. WHICH, IN THIS CASE, YOU ARE.
NOW, I SPENT ENOUGH TIME ANSWERING YOUR QUESTIONS. IT IS TIME FOR YOU TO ANSWER MINE. WHY DO YOU CONTINUE TO COME HERE, POST AND INCITE USING RUDE, CRUDE INVECTIVES THAT, IN PUBLIC, WOULD GET YOUR ASS KICKED BY ANY NUMBER OF PEOPLE? WHY DO YOU CONTINUE TO HIDE BEHIND A FAKE NAME, AND NOT IDENTIFY YOURSELF? WHAT ARE YOU AFRAID OF, BESIDES CHANGE AND YOUR OWN SHADOW?
CARL GROSSMAN
LIBERAL, DEMOCRAT AND MARK THE REDNECK ASS KICKER!!!!!!!!!!!
RE: The Above
Wow! I didn’t realize “War and Peace” would fit on one thread.
Libertarian,
MWS wrote the War part, I answered with Peace. I just have had enough with Wingnut talking points, no substance and his biggoted, confrontational statements.
Carl Grossman
Liberal, Democrat and ready for breakfast!
By the way, I am aware of the syntax errors in my post. I don’t need a WingNut to go off because because I typed “it” instead of “is” or “you” instead of “your”. It was late, I was passionate and stopping to correct or proofread only serves to interupt my thoughts.
So with apology to all my English Literature instructors……
Carl Grossman
Liberal, Democrat and at least I can spell.
Where in the hell is McG on the wiretapping issue? For that matter where is Cantwell? It would be nice to find an issue where they disagree — before November. Let’s see, Iraq, gay rights, abortion, Leiberman — oh, nevermind that last one, only McGavick is supporting the Dem on that one. Er, I mean Independent.
And Carl, sorry to interupt (sic) your thoughts but really, take a deep breath and relax. Taking a full page and half to answser a post from a totally different thread is a waste of bandwidth and countless index fingers to scroll it. geesh…
@2 Curiously, the Gaelic name for the tune commonly called “The Campbells are coming”, actually their Clan March, can be translated roughly to the question: “War? Or Peace?”
@6 That’s gotta be rhp6033! Too many options on firfox, mebbe?
none specified @ 6,
The blog is to express thoughts. I know I broke a “rule”. I apologized and I won’t make a habit of it.
Carl Grossman
Liberal, Democrat
We don’t got no steenkin’ rules!
Well, maybe a few self-imposed ones. . . .
Interrupt is correct, typo’s happen.
Carl Grossman
Liberal, Democrat and willing to admit a mistake
So, Tree Frog Farmer, you suppose the Feds are going to be kicking our doors, listening to us on the phone and checking our bank records because we are a threat to their way of life by simply speaking out? I keep waiting for the amendment to the constitution that will limit free speech to mean “only words supporting the Republican way of life and thinking are permitted”.
Rut Roh, there is someone breaking in…Good God, Dick Cheney is here, send helppppppppppppppp
Carl Grossman
Liberal, Democrat, part time humorist
The Campbels were a pretty pugnacious group of people, just like the Maccabbees. Their Clan March could have just as easily been called “Oh,Oh! Here comes Trouble!” by other clans.
Myself, I always liked the Motto :”Don’t Tread On Me!”, when it was explained to me as a little tad.
Great job (as usual) Carl…and a completely wasted effort.
This asshole (MtR) knows no logic…no reason…and, as a defining characteristic of his ilk, will twist everything you stated to reinforce his (and by extension…their) view of the “way things ought to be”.
So the troll-fucks go on their merry way delightfully oblivious to the real damage their misbegotten philosophy and policies are doing to the rest of us.
I found it telling…and amusing that at some point you remarked that what the jerk had written was asinine. His arguements went downhill from THERE.
If they didn’t repeat the same swill over and over and over and over…oh well. they’re done now anyway. And if we weren’t paying such a really high cost for their deadly folly…the collapse would be really funny.
I suspect cantwell and murray are quiet on the wiretapping issue because they have seen information that has not been made public.
What is interesting is that the legal community is in pretty much agreement, both left and right, that this decision is poorly written and misses the point. It will be interesting to see what the appeals court does with it.
We are not in an era of evolving understanding of political science, or adaptation of constitutional theories of checks and balances to changing historical circumstances … we are in an era of leadership malfeasance shaped by one man’s intellectual deficiencies and autocratic personality pathologies.
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Carl, don’t get too worked up over Reddick’s rantings. He’s a 16-year-old sophomore with a bad case of acne who is a paid troll (he’s paid by the word).
Carl Grossman librul kook – Thanks for the reply. Great stuff. I’ll correct some of your misconceptions later.
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P.S.: One key to understanding wingnuts like Mark is to realize they are all F R E E L O A D E R S. Wingnut freeloading takes many forms, but is all geared to one thing: Gaining wealth, power, and position on the labors of others. Some common forms of rightwing freeloading:
1. They don’t do any work; they make people do all the work.
2. They don’t fight their wars; they send other people’s children to fight their wars.
3. They don’t pay for their wars; they make our children and grandchildren pay for their wars.
4. They don’t want to pay taxes, but they use public infrastructure and services paid for with other people’s taxes.
5. They want freedom to pollute the environment, and want someone else to pay for cleaning it up.
6. When running businesses, they take all the profits (if any), and transfer all the risks and losses to the shareholders.
7. They transfer as many costs of doing business to society or taxpayers as they can, in order to increase their own profits. This includes: Wages, pensions, legal liabilities, financial losses, and pollution. Example: The $500 million liability cap on nuclear power plants, which transfers (without compensation) to surrounding communities and property owners the risk of contamination for an accident, so plant operators don’t have to pay insurance premiums (or operate their plants carefully).
8. They want wage earners to pay all the taxes, while capital gains, investment income, and inheritances get a free ride.
9. Above all — they are exponents of CHEAP LABOR policies, the net effect of which is to transfer all of society’s work to one class of people, while another class of people takes for themselves all of the economic output produced by the working class’s labor.
Any questions?
Mark,TheRetarded@ I think Carl is free from misconceptions. . . he just may not realize how bitter you are after running your balls through the blender. . .
Roger@19 Say, good buddy, Divorce Decrees are public records, generally,yes?
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Carl, to further aid your understanding of ideologues like Mark the Welsher/Red Dick, I offer the following insightful analysis:
“When you cut right through it, right-wing ideology is just ‘dime-store economics’ – intended to dress their ideology up and make it look respectable. You don’t really need to know much about economics to understand it. They certainly don’t. It all gets down to two simple words. ‘Cheap labor’.
“That’s their whole philosophy in a nutshell – which gives you a short and pithy ‘catch phrase’ that describes them perfectly. You’ve heard of ‘big-government liberals’. Well they’re ‘cheap-labor conservatives’.
“‘Cheap-labor conservative’ is a moniker they will never shake, and never live down. Because it’s exactly what they are. You see, cheap-labor conservatives are defenders of corporate America – whose fortunes depend on labor. The larger the labor supply, the cheaper it is. The more desperately you need a job, the cheaper you’ll work, and the more power those ‘corporate lords’ have over you. If you are a wealthy elite – or a ‘wannabe’ like most dittoheads – your wealth, power and privilege is enhanced by a labor pool, forced to work cheap.
“…(L)et’s apply this principle, and see how many right-wing positions become instantly understandable. Cheap-labor conservatives don’t like social spending or our ‘safety net’ (b)ecause when you’re unemployed and desperate, corporations can pay you … next to nothing. You see, they want you ‘over a barrel’ and in a position to ‘work cheap or starve’.
“Cheap-labor conservatives don’t like the minimum wage, or other improvements in wages and working conditions (because) these reforms undo all of their efforts to keep you ‘over a barrel’.
“Cheap-labor conservatives like ‘free trade’, NAFTA, GATT, etc. … (b)ecause there is a huge supply of desperately poor people in the third world, who … will work cheap.
“Cheap-labor conservatives oppose a woman’s right to choose (because) unwanted children are an economic burden that put poor women ‘over a barrel’, forcing them to work cheap.
“Cheap-labor conservatives don’t like unions … (b)ecause when labor ‘sticks together’, wages go up. …
“Cheap-labor conservatives constantly bray about ‘morality’, ‘virtue’, ‘respect for authority’, ‘hard work’ and other ‘values’ … (s)o they can blame your being ‘over a barrel’ on your own ‘immorality’, lack of ‘values’ and ‘poor choices’.
“Cheap-labor conservatives encourage racism, misogyny, homophobia and other forms of bigotry. Why? Bigotry among wage earners distracts them, and keeps them from recognizing their common interests as wage earners.
“The Cheap-Labor Conservative ‘Dirty Secret’: They Don’t Really Like Prosperity
“Maybe you don’t believe that cheap-labor conservatives like unemployment, poverty and ‘cheap labor’. Consider these facts.
Unemployment was 23 percent when FDR took office in 1933. It dropped to 2.5 percent by time the next Republican was in the White House in 1953. It climbed back to 6.5 percent by the end of the Eisenhower administration. It dropped to 3.5 percent by the time LBJ left office. It climbed over 5 percent shortly after Nixon took office, and stayed there for 27 years, until Clinton brought it down to 4.5 percent early in his second term.
“That same period – especially from the late forties into the early seventies – was the ‘golden age’ of the United States. We sent men to the moon. We built our Interstate Highway system. We ended segregation in the South and established Medicare. In those days, a single wage earner could support an entire family on his wages. …
“These facts provide a nice background to evaluate cheap-labor conservative claims like ‘liberals are destroying America.’ In fact, cheap-labor conservatives have howled with outrage and indignation against New Deal liberalism from its inception in the 1930’s all the way to the present. You can go to ‘Free Republic’ or Hannity’s forum right now, and find a cheap-labor conservative comparing New Deal Liberalism to ‘Stalinism’.
Cheap-labor conservatives opposed virtually all of the New Deal, including every improvement in wages and working conditions. Cheap-labor conservatives have a long and sorry history of opposing virtually every advancement in this country’s development going right back to the American revolution.
“Cheap-labor conservatives have hated Social Security and Medicare since their inception.
“Many cheap-labor conservatives are hostile to public education. They think it should be privatized. … Cheap-labor conservatives opposed universal public education in its early days. …
“Cheap-labor conservatives hate the progressive income tax like the devil hates holy water.
“Cheap-labor conservatives like budget deficits and a huge national debt … (because) a bankrupt government has a harder time doing any ‘social spending’ …
“‘Free Trade’, globalization, NAFTA and especially GATT are intended to create a world-wide ‘corporate playground’ where national governments serve the interests of corporations – which means ‘cheap labor’.
“The ugly truth is that cheap-labor conservatives just don’t like working people. They don’t like ‘bottom up’ prosperity (because) … lords have a harder time kicking them around. Once you understand this about the cheap-labor conservatives, the real motivation for their policies makes perfect sense.
“Remember, cheap-labor conservatives believe in social hierarchy and privilege, so the only prosperity they want is limited to them. They want to see absolutely nothing that benefits the guy – or more often the woman – who works for an hourly wage. …
“See how easy it is to understand these cheap-labor conservatives. The more ignorant and destitute people there are – desperate for any job they can get – the cheaper the cheap-labor conservatives can get them to work.
“… Every time you respond to a cheap-labor conservative … look for the ‘cheap labor’ angle. Trust me, you’ll find it. I can even show you the ‘cheap labor’ angle in things like the ‘war on drugs’ and the absurd conservative opposition to alternative energy.
Next, make that moniker – cheap-labor conservatives – your ‘standard reference’ to the other side. One of the last revisions I made to this article was to find every reference to ‘conservatives’, ‘Republicans’, ‘right-wingers’, and ‘righties’, and replace it with ‘cheap-labor conservatives’. … If enough people will ‘get with the program’ it won’t be long before you can’t look at an editorial page, listen to the radio, turn on the TV, or log onto your favorite message board without seeing the phrase ‘cheap labor conservatives’ – and have plenty of examples to reinforce the message. By election day … every politically sentient American should understand exactly what a ‘cheap labor conservative’ is, and what he stands for.
“Now if you stop right here, you will have enough ammunition to hold your own with a cheap-labor conservative, in any public debate. … But if you really want to rip the heart out of cheap-labor conservative ideology, you may want to invest just a little bit more effort. It still isn’t all that complicated, though it is a bit more detailed than what we have covered so far. …
“Less Government and Cheap Labor.
“’Less Government’ is the central defining right-wing slogan. And yes, it’s all about ‘cheap labor’.
“Included within the slogan ‘less government’ is the whole conservative set of assumptions about the nature of the ‘free market’ and government’s role in that market. In fact, the whole ‘public sector/private sector’ distinction is an invention of the cheap-labor conservatives. They say that the ‘private sector’ exists outside and independently of the ‘public sector’. The public sector, according to cheap-labor ideology, can only ‘interfere’ with the ‘private sector’, and that such ‘interference’ is ‘inefficient’ and ‘unprincipled’. Using this ideology, the cheap-labor ideologue paints himself as a defender of ‘freedom’ against ‘big government tyranny’.
“In fact, the whole idea that the ‘private sector’ is independent of the public sector is totally bogus … ‘the market’ is created by public laws, public institutions and public infrastructure.
“… (T)he cheap-labor conservative isn’t really interested in ‘freedom’. What he wants is the ‘privatized tyranny’ of industrial serfdom, the main characteristic of which is – you guessed it – ‘cheap labor’. For proof, you need only look at exactly what constitutes ‘big government tyranny’ and what doesn’t.
“It turns out that cheap-labor conservatives are BIG supporters of the most oppressive and heavy handed actions the government takes. (They) are consistent supporters of the generous use of capital punishment. They say that ‘government can’t do anything right’ – except apparently, kill people. Indeed, they exhibit classic conservative unconcern for the very possibility that the government might make a mistake and execute the wrong man.
“Cheap-labor conservatives complain about the ‘Warren Court’ ‘handcuffing the police’ and giving ‘rights to criminals’. It never occurs to them, that our criminal justice system is set up to protect innocent citizens from abuses or just plain mistakes by government officials — you know, the ones who can’t do anything right.
“Cheap-labor conservatives support the ‘get tough’ and ‘lock ‘em up’ approach to virtually every social problem in the spectrum. In fact, it’s the only approach they support. As for the 2,000,000 people we have in jail today – a higher percentage of our population than any other nation on earth – they say our justice system is ‘too lenient’.
“Cheap-labor conservatives – you know, the ones who believe in ‘freedom’ – say our crime problem is because – get this – we’re too ‘permissive’. How exactly do you set up a ‘free’ society that isn’t ‘permissive’?
“Cheap-labor conservatives want all the military force we can stand to pay for and never saw a weapons system they didn’t like. (They) support every right-wing authoritarian hoodlum in the third world. (They) support foreign assassinations, covert intervention in foreign countries, and every other ‘black bag’ operation the CIA can dream up, even against constitutional governments elected by the people of those countries.
“Cheap-labor conservatives support ‘domestic surveillance’ against ‘subversives’ – where ‘subversive’ means ‘everybody but them’. Cheap-labor conservative believers in ‘freedom’ think it’s the government’s business if you smoke a joint or sleep with somebody of your own gender. (They) support our new concentration camp down at Guantanamo Bay (and) these ‘secret tribunals’ with ‘secret evidence’ and virtually no judicial review of the trials and sentences. Then they say that liberals are ‘Stalinists’.
“And let’s not forget this perennial item on the agenda. Cheap-labor conservatives want to ‘protect our national symbol’ from ‘desecration’. They also support legislation to make the Pledge of Allegiance required by law. Of course, it is they who desecrate the flag every time they wave it to support their cheap-labor agenda. …
“… (C)heap-labor conservatives have a peculiar definition of ‘freedom’. I mean, just what do these guys consider to be ‘tyranny’? … Take a look.
“’Social spending’ otherwise known as ‘redistribution’. While they don’t mind tax dollars being used for killing people, using their taxes to feed people is ‘stealing’.
“Minimum wage laws.
“Every piece of legislation ever proposed to improve working conditions, including the eight hour day, OSHA regulations, and even Child Labor laws.
“Labor unions, who ‘extort’ employers by collectively bargaining.
“Environmental regulations and the EPA.
“Federal support and federal standards for public education.
“Civil rights legislation. … Apparently, federal laws ending segregation were ‘tyranny’, but segregation itself was not.
“Public broadcasting – which is virtually the only source for classical music, opera, traditional theatre, traditional American music …. This from the people constantly braying about the decay of ‘the culture’. The average cost of Public Television for each American is a whopping one dollar a year. ‘Its tyranny I tell you. Enough’s enough!’
“See the pattern? Cheap-labor conservatives support every coercive and oppressive function of government, but call it ‘tyranny’ if government does something for you …. Even here, cheap-labor conservatives are complete hypocrites. Consider the following expenditures:
“150 billion dollars a year for corporate subsidies.
“300 billion dollars a year for interest payments on the national debt … that are a direct transfer to wealthy bond holders and buy us absolutely nothing.
“Who knows how many billions will be paid to American companies to rebuild Iraq ….
“That’s all in addition to the Defense budget – large chunks of which go to corporate defense contractors.
“Is the pattern becoming clearer? These cheap-labor Republicans have no problem at all opening the public purse for corporate interests. It’s ‘social spending’ on people who actually need assistance that they just ‘can’t tolerate’.
“And now you know why. Destitute people work cheaper, while a harsh police state keeps them suitably terrorized.”
http://tinyurl.com/lnzs3
Hey asses,
Since Goldstein is accusing the Bush Administration of making up the plot to blow up several airliners over the ocean, I wonder if that “plot” included the staging of martyrdom videos too?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/5265182.stm
Terror police find ‘martyr tapes’
Police investigating an alleged plot to bring down airliners have found several martyrdom videos in the course of their searches, the BBC has learned.
An unofficial police source said the recordings – discovered on laptop computers – appear to have been made by some of the suspects being questioned.
Scotland Yard has refused to comment on what officers are finding.
Police are continuing to search woodland at High Wycombe in Buckinghamshire and 14 addresses.
Also, you leftwing nutjobs can explain how the supposedly utterly moronic incompetent George W Bush was able to put all that together without anyone finding out. Hardly something one would expect of a moron that cannot even pronounce NUCLEAR correctly.
C’mon, leftwing nutjobs, let’s hear your national security minimizing spin.
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Yes (in most cases).
While public access to court records is not an absolute right, General Rules (GR) 31 (d)(1) provide: “The public shall have access to all court records except as restricted by federal law, state law, court rule, court order, or case law.” A dissolution decree would be in the publicly accessible portion of a court file except in the most unusual cases, and would be restricted only upon order of a judge for some sort of good cause shown.
General Rule (GR) 31 covers all court records; GR 22 has additional provisions applicable to family law and guardianship cases.
For complete text of GR 31, see http://tinyurl.com/ovznz
For GR 31 FAQs, see http://tinyurl.com/jw62o
For complete text of GR 22, see http://tinyurl.com/syebt
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Carl, these fuckers try to wear you down. Patience, my friend. Every time they post their bullshit, we post our rebuttal. We’ll do it as many times as they do it. Until the end of time, if necessary. We will leave no lie, myth, or fabrication unanswered.
There are exceptions to this principle, of course. Feel free to ignore JCH — he’s a demented old man living out of dumpsters on a seedy off-the-beaten-path beach on a minor island of the Hawaiian islands who acts out his misanthropic impulses on a keyboard. It’s pointless to respond to a raving lunatic like JCH. Also, as GBS has pointed out, JCH washed out of Navy flight school … and LIED on this board about his military service.
“I am curious to see whether the Times lives up to its own oversight obligations, or instead chooses the narrow economic interests of its owners over the welfare of the nation by endorsing candidates who would sustain a Republican majority that has willfully abdicated Congress’ role as a coequal branch of government?”
I am curious to see whether the Times lives up to its own obligation to the truth, or instead chooses to bend to the latest political rabble rousers for readership points over the welfare of the nation by endorsing a Democrat majority that will abandon the war on terror because they think there is no terrorist threat and fail to execute the congressional role of providing for national defense in time of war.
Honestly, where COULD Maria Cantwell be on the NSA wiretapping policy. If only there were some way to search through a bunch of online information and find such items…
http://cantwell.senate.gov/iss.....erties.cfm
National Security Administration (NSA) Wire Tapping
Maria believes it is wrong and illegal to wire tap without a warrant. We need to make sure our intelligence programs and officials are getting the job done of protecting the U.S. and maintaining our national security. Maria believes that Congressional checks and balances are needed to make sure that the oversight of our intelligence programs is effective. We must protect both national security and civil liberties.
@25,
“We will leave no lie, myth, or fabrication unanswered.”
You mistyped, what is should have said was:
“We will leave no lie, myth, or fabrication unspoken on behalf of liberals everywhere.”
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They’re not hard to deal with them. Just remember that everything they say and do is about CHEAP LABOR and putting our MONEY in their own pockets. Yes, it’s that simple — all the trolls are greedy, selfish pricks who are focused on one thing, getting rich at our expense.
THen there’s Mike! Mcgavick:
http://www.wa-democrats.org/pr.....php?id=130
McGavick Defends Bush’s Domestic Spying Program
McGavick: I think that the program, having been used in the emergency following 9-11 and having been the subject of routine briefings of congressional leadership, was initially justified. I believe, however, that when such programs become “routine” they should be subject to the logic of the separation of powers. And if the existing judicial approval process was inadequate, I would have been open to some reform of it, but not to ignoring it. [The Hill online chat, 5/10/06 (http://blog.thehill.com/), emphasis added]
“As someone that lives in a gated community, Mike McGavick obviously values his own privacy. Sadly, he has less respect for the privacy of the millions of other Americans whose rights may have been violated by the Bush administration’s unconscionable spying program,” said Dwight Pelz, Chair of the Washington State Democrats. “Once again, McGavick is demonstrating he would be another reliable rubberstamp for Bush’s failed policies, even on an outrageous wiretapping program that violates the privacy of Americans while doing nothing to make us more secure.”
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For example, they don’t give an unholy damn about our soldiers in Afghanistan and Iraq. How do I know? Simple. All their braying about “patriotism” and “supporting the troops” is cheap talk that doesn’t cost them a cent.
But if you ask them to donate $99 to Operation Helmet (http://www.operation-helmet.org/), a private not-for-profit charity that buys battle helmet upgrade kits for our troops to protect them from head injuries from roadside bombs … well I did (donated $99 to Operation Helmet, and asked them to donate) … and not one of them is willing to part with 1 cent to save an American soldier’s life.
In other words, when you ask one of these sunshine patriots to put his money where his mouth is, he won’t. And, of course, none of them are in Afghanistan or Iraq …
I even make it easy for them to “support our troops.” Here’s the link to Operation Helmet:
http://www.operation-helmet.org/
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Where is McGavick period? His position on every issues seems to change depending on what audience his selling his snake oil to.
We do know where McGavick stands on Social Security, though. He’s FOR Bush’s plan to loot the Social Security Trust Fund for “private accounts.” That, alone, is reason enough why he should NEVER serve in the U.S. Congress.
Man speaking of “syntax errors” … let’s try that again.
Where is McGavick period? His position on every issue seems to change depending on what audience he’s selling his snake oil to.
pbj
“you leftwing nutjobs can explain how the supposedly utterly moronic incompetent George W Bush was able to put all that together without anyone finding out.”
He didn’t put anything together besides pressuring Scotland Yard to go through with prematurely arresting a group of idiot wannabes like our Miami guys, guys who have no equipment, no training, no money, not contacts, and no means to make their own “moronic” wannabe plans into any kind fo relity. “artyrdom videos” n the other hand, adre relatively cheap, easy to make, and help them feel like big, bad men. Not exactly evidence of of an advanced plot. I had a nephew who when he was 10 would make tapes of him and his friends rapping, gave themselves monickers such as “DJ Risk” or some such bullshit, but it didn’t make them musicians and it wasn’t a record. Anyone can make a tape.
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Whatsamatter, your scroll arrow not working? Maybe some of us want to read what Carl wants to say to Mark Retardo/Liar/Welsher.
Speaking of lying, Mark Retardo/Liar/Welsher claimed in a previous thread that cutting taxes ALWAYS raises revenue. Now let’s do a reality check:
2000 – $1,372,376,000,000 (baseline year)
2001 – $1,297,063,000,000
2002 – $1,152,413,000,000
2003 – $1,069,364,000,000
(From official U.S. government revenue statistics)
See what I mean? Retardo is a liar. Of course, he was lying when he told Goldy, “I bet you $100 that I-912 will win by 15 points.” I don’t mean about I-912 winning, I mean about paying Goldy $100 if it didn’t. I-912 went down by 10 points almost a year ago, and Retardo/Welsher/Liar still owes Goldy the $100.
Remember what I said above about wingnuts/cheap labor conservatives? Where money is concerned, these guys are a black hole. Any money that comes within their gravitational field falls into their hole, but no money ever comes out. They don’t pay for anything, they just take. You can be sure that if I-912 had passed by 15 points, Retardo Welsher would have had his hand out, demanding payment from Goldy. But the idea that he would ever pay a foolish bet he LOST — or donate 1 cent to Operation Helmet to save an American soldier’s life — forget it. Black hole, these guys are a black hole, where money is concerned. Money in, no money out. That’s what they’re all about. Remember that at all times.
Go to babalublog.com to see lots of photos and learn more about the REAL Castro’s Cuba (not the one you’re told is so wonderful for everyone).
Retardo Welsher even bitched and moaned on this board about having to pay CHILD SUPPORT for his own kid, for chrissakes. Yes, you guessed it, in addition to being a bet welsher he’s also a deadbeat dad.
He also LIED about how much child support he paid.
He claimed he paid $500,000 of child support for one kid. Under Washington’s child support laws, that’s utterly impossible.
The maximum payment for 1 child is $986 per month for a child under 12, and $1218 per month for a child 12-17. http://tinyurl.com/oqfe4
This means the maximum cumulative obligation for 1 child from birth to emancipation is $232,464.
What Retardo actually did was lump the property settlement with child support — and try to get us to believe the whole $500,000 he paid to his crack-whore ex-wife, now dead, was “child support.”
Obviously, Mark made some “bad choices” when he hopped into bed with this crackhead and married her. Now he wants sympathy from us for his financial problems. Half a million bucks down the drain …
F I VE H U N D R E D T H O U S A N D D O L L A R S
$500,000.000
All I can say is …
HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR
Mark the Red Nekkid Asshole:
Thank you proving your arrogance once again @ 18.
I do not need, nor want, your advice, correction or input. You think you are correct on the issues. I know you are wrong. So please, save your energy and words for someone who cares. I certainly don’t.
Carl Grossman
Liberal, Democrat
MTR and the fantasy of $500,000. You can’t lose what you never had.
Carl Grossman
Liberal, Democrat, Skeptic of all uttered by MTR
15.
What is interesting is that the legal community is in pretty much agreement, both left and right…
When Lawrence Tribe and Jonathan Turley are supportive of Judge Taylor’s decision, your asseertion that liberal scholars are “pretty much” in agreement doesn’t track reality.
Laurence Tribe, a constitutional law professor at Harvard Law School, said in an e-mail that Taylor did a “splendid job” of demonstrating that the “”administration acted in an inexcusably lawless manner.”
Jonathan Turley Every time a judge rules against the administration they are either too Democratic or too tall or too short or Pisces. All this spin – this effort to personalize it is doing a great injustice to our system. The problem is not the judge. The problem is a lack of authority. When Gonzales says ‘I got something back in my safe and if you could see it you would all agree with me’. Well, unless there’s a federal statute back in his safe, then it’s not going to make a difference.”
So re-fighting Vietnam. Jeez that was nearly 50 years ago.
I could not give one flying flip about eavesdropping. This government is too inept to use any power successfully. With CIA Agents like Vanity Plame we are in a world of hurt. With a President who can speak english, eavesdropping is the least of our problems as he wouldn’t understand what he heard anyways. With Islamofascists empowered with their victory over Israel we could be a few years away from a genocide of the Jews in Middle East, and we are worried about someone listening to our conversations. Good Lord, have any of you said anything that anyone would want to listen to anyways … oohhhh, listen to the call about the need to pick the kids up from soccer ….
Everyone is all up in arms about the Patriot Act … like 11 people (none real terrorist targets) have been targetted with it. About 390 are very low level criminals who the Bush admin likes to say were caught by the Patriot act but weren’t. If 1% of the energy spenting fighting over the Patriot act were actually spent finding terrorist we would be much farther ahead.
All the ditictorial powers in the world would not have got a single glass of water to the victims of Huricane Katrina, or prevented Israel from losing the war in Lebannon. When an adminstration is inept — it doesn’t matter if you are dictator or not — you still suck.
Don’t like Bush or the inept Republicans — November is coming. I’m one conservative who is sick of them.
PBJ @23,
Nobody accused the Bush administration of “making up” a plot. I accused it of greatly exagerating its imminence and its threat.
There may in fact be a group of wannabe terrorists intent on killing thousands. Whether they’re actually capable of acting on their paranoid fantasy is another issue entirely.
McDonald – Look, GWB is a disappointment to real conservatives. Instead of leading forcefully like Ronald Reagan he made the mistake of trying to get along with his opponents across the aisle.
But make no mistake; the worst republican is still better than any democrat. Whether it’s national security or the economy or the integrity of the judicial system, we cannot allow moonbats to have power. They may take the House; the Senate is probably safe especially since they lost Lieberman and he’s going to win. I actually hope that Pelosi and gang do start impeachment proceedings just so they can illustrate how petty they are. That would lay a great foundation for 08 to ensure that The Smartest Woman In The World is defeated.
So Goldy, would you dissolve TSA and go back to the way it was before 9/11 just to see if they’ll really do it?
Or would you err on the side of caution?
In addition to agreeing with Goldy @ 44, I am also troubled by the administration’s penchant for taking credit for the work of others, see Englands work on plane terror plot. I am also insulted that they attempt to use this “propaganda” for political gain. I am not stupid and I resent being treated as such.
Carl Grossman
Liberal, Democrat
MTR, you have lost all sight of reality. One extreme to the other. You have lost the House and the Senate. Your President is going to be frozen in time for two years.
As for impeachment and pettiness. The attempt on Clinton was not petty? Vindictive? Please, goose-gander. This is how it works.
Abuse of power does not go unpunished. No matter how much you scream it is in my best interest, eventually I wise up and vote you out. By they way moron, just who do you think Lieberman is going to side with? There is also nothing to prevent him from swithing back after the election. Quit smoking crack and walk toward the light.
Carl Grossman
Liberal, Democrat
Roger Rabbit @ 24
There are UNUSUAL cases where the ENTIRE dissolution file is SEALED, including the dissolution decree itself:
JSM064 SEARCH INDEX KING SUPERIOR 08-19-06 13:38 1 OF 1
CASE TYPE : 3 NAME: OTTINGER, MARY
SEARCH TYPE: A (U=UNWEIGHTED, W=WEIGHTED, A=ALPHA LIST)
YEAR(S) FILED: THRU (OPTIONAL. LEAVE BLANK TO SEARCH FOR ALL YEARS)
LITIGANT NAME WGT CASE NUMBER CONN. FILED CAUSE
OTTINGER, MARY A * 94-3-02290-7 SEALED DIS W/CHILD
Such as King County Superior Court No. 94-3-02290-7 SEA, the dissolution case between now-suspended King County District Court Judge Mary Ann Ottinger and Bellevue drunk-driving defense attorney Stephen W. Hayne d/b/a http://www.theduifirm.com/
They signed an agreed sealing order in the ex-parte department on March 18, 1994, the very day they filed their dissolution case. No specific reason was given for sealing the ENTIRE file.
Wonder what they are hiding from the public?
43.
The concern isn’t over eavesdropping per se, it’s about how it is authorized, and the procedure put in place to protect against abuse of power. Accusing opponents of wanting to coddle terrorists is a red herring. Everyone want terrorists identified and stopped before they strike. Giving a blank check to this president, or any other president is the danger that must be ameliorated. I’ll gladly explain why I made a mistake and mis-dialed the leader of a terrorist cell, but I want some assurance that the fact I have been questioned won’t be used against me in unrelated matters. I also want assurances that I won’t be hauled off to Guantanamo before I get a day in court.
Going back to the Vietnam era gets us to Richard Nixon, and his actions as president exemplify the concern liberals have about unfettered presidential power being ceded to George Bush.
Grossman – Bill Clinton was impeached and disbarred because he lied to a Grand Jury in an attempt to conceal a pattern of predatory behavior in an assault case that he settled for Eight Hundred Thousand dollars. It had nothing to do with BJs in Oval Office.
The thought always runs through my mind “What if a ‘crack-whore’ wasn’t a crack-whore? Merely a confused, or immature young woman who woke up one day to find she was married to a monster. . .?
Tree Frog Farmer @ 52…..
OMG, the truth shall set you free!!!!
MTR, can’t help but notice you ignored the real meat of my post. Could this be because you know the truth?
Carl Grossman
Liberal, Democrat
Bill Clinton was suspended for five years, not disbarred. Clinton was eligible to have his law license reinstated on 01/19/2006, but has not done so:
Attorney Record
Name: William J. Clinton
Address: 15 Old House Lane
Address: Chappaqua NY 10514
Date First Licensed: 09/07/1973
Disciplinary Actions
Date Action Summary
02/21/2001 SUSPENDED Notice of Suspension of Attorney’s Privilege to Practice Law from the Supreme Court Committee on Professional Conduct. Suspended 5 years effective 1-19-01.
http://courts.state.ar.us/atty.....um=++73019
Grossman, still writing reply to original rant. Get ready pal…
Pope – Thanks for the clarification. Either way, they pulled his ticket because of his illegal behavior. Certainly no role model for anybody. Serial sexual predator…
Rodent@31, “For example, they don’t give an unholy damn about our soldiers in Afghanistan and Iraq. How do I know? Simple. All their braying about “patriotism” and “supporting the troops” is cheap talk that doesn’t cost them a cent.”
Commentby Roger Rabbit— 8/19/06@ 11:46 am
Tell us again how you support our troops,rodent:
“It should be obvious what the exit strategy is. We’’re going to lose, and we’’re going to pack up and go home. On our way out, the last Americans will be lifted off rooftops by helicopters. I hate to sound like a pessimistic, but as we learned in Vietnam and the Russians learned in Afghanistan, even superpowers can’t defeat a determined, sustained, indigenous guerilla resistance. There is no reputable military thinker in the world who claims to know who to win an urban guerilla war, or who believes it can be done.”
Comment by Roger Rabbit —— 4/12/06 @ 10:45 am
“I don’t belong to an organized political party. I’m a Democrat.” – Will Rogers.
pbj wrote:
“C’mon, leftwing nutjobs, let’s hear your national security minimizing spin.”
Gotta hand it to you, pbj. Us leftwing nutjobs keep cutting the budget for Homeland Security in order to fund our pet projects.
Wait, that was the Bush administration.
Still, the Republicans in Congress have been in the forefront of attempts to bring more resources to Homeland Security in an effort to keep our nation safe.
Wait, that was the Democrats, and the Republicans stopped them.
Of course, the Republicans made such a public clamor over the need for a Homeland Security Agency in the first place, that the Democrats just had to finally give in.
Wait again. Sorry, that was the Democrats that forced the White House and Congressional Republicans to give in on that.
Say, what exactly are the Republicans doing to help safeguard the lives and personal freedom of average Americans anyway? Oh yes, I remember. Listening in on private telephone calls. Just how many arrests have been made using that program?
Well, at least the listeners get to enjoy the conversations on those late night 900 numbers.
Pathetic Blog J>paid troll. Paid by the word.
Pathetic Blog Jockey is a paid troll. Paid by the word.
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“I could not give one flying flip about eavesdropping.” Commentby John McDonald— 8/19/06@ 12:57 pm
That’s why everyone here thinks you’re a Stalinist.
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They pulled his ticket for lying to a grand jury. If I or Pope did that, we’d be disbarred. When you do it, you want everyone to believe there wasn’t a bet in the first place.
Pay your gambling debt, you lying welsher.
Mark Retardo couldn’t get into law school because he can’t pass the character test.
The Retarded one had better hurry along with his marvelous post. I want to do a keyboard check. . .I want to make sure my delete key is still working. . . . .
Like he should talk about other people’s character …
From today’s Seattle Times — former Creek County, Oklahoma judge Donald Thompson sentenced to four years in prison for offensive courtroom misconduct:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.c.....dge19.html
You will have to read this story for yourself.
It is bad when a judge has to do something so outrageous in order to get removed from office.
“Character test for law school”… LMAO… that’s a good one rabbit.
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And you’re “supporting” them by imprisoning them in a quagmire? I saw on TV news a couple nights ago that some Alaska reservists who just got home to their families were told they have to go back. Some of the wives and children were in tears. That’s your idea of “supporting” the troops. You’re a dickhead.
How about supporting our troops in a meaningful way by donating $99 of your cash to http://www.operation-helmet.org/? Until you do, you’re just another cheap-talking conservative blowing smoke out of his ass.
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Uh-oh, did Redneck trade his penis pump to the judge in exchange for leniency on unpaid parking tickets?
ROGER RABBIT POLL
How many more U.S. troops should die in Iraq so wingnuts like Fascist Fuck can assert they’re “supporting the troops?”
[ ] 1. 1 million
[ ] 2. 100,000
[ ] 3. 10,000
[ ] 4. 1,000
[ ] 5. None
@16- “we are in an era of leadership malfeasance shaped by one man’s intellectual deficiencies and autocratic personality pathologies.”
Why do you youngsters always think it was invented today- whichever “it” we want to talk about. Today we are NOT talking about retreaded rock tunes, but “autocratic personality pathologies.”
GWB doesn’t even get consideration alongside LBJ and RMN- it is as pathetic as preferring some candy-striped sixteen year old wannabe and her friends’s version over Jefferson Airplane. Folks today have no clue what REAL “autocratic personality pathologies” in the White House really looks like.
Lighten up- it ain’t hat bad…
I don’t see the analogy that Goldy is drawing here. The idea of “checks and balances” is precisely the opposite of the idea that an individual or business or branch of government needs to consider the welfare of others as well as its own. The idea of “checks an balances” is that it can push as hard as it wants for its own self-interest and the negative effects of that action will be “checked” and “balanced” by other actors doing the same.
I suppose the “check” on a self-interested newspaper heir would be for someone to start a competing newspaper. Which is, in a sense, what Goldy and many other bloggers have done.
Libertarian, MWS wrote the War part, I answered with Peace. I just have had enough with Wingnut talking points, no substance and his biggoted, confrontational statements. Carl Grossman
Liberal, Democrat and ready for breakfast! Commentby My Left Foot— 8/19/06@ 9:02 am
Carl: Since you have the IQ of “Forrest Gump”, Stupid is as stupid does. MTR Kennedy wrote the questions MORON! To steal another person’s line: You better pull down you pants and start looking for your balls. Another femi-man!
Carl Grossman: Proud member of the 3 inch penis crowd!
Carl Grossman: You better keep the left brain side occupied because the right brain side is sleeping!
His “arguements” went downhill from THERE.
Do tell us rujerx!
PBJ: I delivered the martyrdom argument yesterday. Moonbats had no answer then either! They check on Kos for the moonbat daily theeeeooooory and then trumpet that theory all over the moonbat universe!
Speaking of checks and balances: Why do moonbats write checks to purchase foreign automobiles and convert them to moonbatmobiles with the No War, No Iraq, Kerry/Edwards, PETA, etc. stickers? Now we see the balance of why moonbat union hacks are losing their jobs. NW based moonbats don’t care about their midwest brothers and sisters.
PBJ @23, Nobody accused the Bush administration of “making up” a plot. I accused it of greatly exagerating its imminence and its threat.
There may in fact be a group of wannabe terrorists intent on killing thousands. Whether they’re actually capable of acting on their paranoid fantasy is another issue entirely. Commentby Goldy— 8/19/06@ 1:05 pm
Are you saying you don’t read your own blog? Look at another Gold”y” generated thread at the moonbats who accused GWB and Karl Rove of making this up and then when it died down of resuscitating Jon Benet Ramsey story. You are truly delusional Gold”y”!
daddy love @ 27:
“Maria believes it is wrong and illegal to wire tap without a warrant. We need to make sure our intelligence programs and officials are getting the job done of protecting the U.S. and maintaining our national security. Maria believes that Congressional checks and balances are needed to make sure that the oversight of our intelligence programs is effective. We must protect both national security and civil liberties.”
This is kind of a mom-and-apple-pie commment. It says absolutely nothing about the court decision regarding NSA and tapping phones between terrorists over-seas and whoever they happen to be talking to. The WAPO thought the decision was ill conceived, and they are against the administration on this one.
What does maria think we should do when a suspected terrorist in Pakistan calls the US? I agree – they need to go to FISA and at least get approval after the fact. But this court case did not allege that this didn’t happen. The US citizens were arguing that they were discouraged from talking to their terrorist buddies because the govt might be listening. Geez, I hope so. This case will be tossed out for lack of standing. And maria won’t even have to speak up on the actual facts of the case.
Roger,
If I was one of those soldiers, I would be celebrating. Sounds bad, but the opportunities for making an extra 1000 bucks a month don’t exist too often in the military. I’d be sad about leaving my family, but I’d smile all the way to the bank.
And what is up about all of the people dying in car accidents every day recently????
2.
I don’t know what the specific death rate among National Guard members is, but the death rate in the US among the age groups military personnel fall into is about 3.85 per 1000. I don’t see how stateside duty in the Guard would change that much.
The death rate among the US military in Iraq is 5.87 per thousand (763 deaths per year among 130,000.)
Increase your chances of death by 50% for $1000 per month? I think that’s selling oneself a little cheap.
Stick to the freeways.
83 is in reference to #82 from sgmmac, not #2.
“Nobody accused the Bush administration of “making up” a plot. I accused it of greatly exagerating its imminence and its threat.
There may in fact be a group of wannabe terrorists intent on killing thousands. Whether they’re actually capable of acting on their paranoid fantasy is another issue entirely. “
You make the insinuation without directly stating it. You are quite the excellent propagandist that way, I will give you that.
At what point do ignored “wannabe’s” become actual killers? Richard Reid was a “wannabe”. The 19 911 hijackers were also wannabe’s who were successful. Wasn’t it Democrats that were telling us all we needed to be “thinking out of the box”?
It is quite an easy thing to sit back and criticizes that these are wannabe terrorists yet if they had been allowed to continue and were successful, who here doubts you’d have been opining about how more should have been done to stop them?
You see, that is why liberals will never be in charge of national security. It is fine to criticize but then the onus is on you to say what could be done better in something other than feel good generalities such as “get Osama” or “chase the terrorists”.
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