The FEC reports are in and Democratic challenger Darcy Burner has outraised Republican incumbent Dave Reichert for the third straight time. Daniel’s got the scoop.
During the two-month, pre-primary reporting period of July and August, Burner raised $311,980 compared to Reichert’s $198,043. Burner’s lead in individual contributions (a measure of broad support) was even more impressive, leading Reichert nearly two-to-one, $217,000 to $111,959.
Reichert still leads in cash on hand, $1,131,479 to $727,607, but with your help Burner expects to continue to narrow that gap between now and the election.
It is interesting to note that despite Burner’s fundraising prowess thus far, very few of her contributors have yet to “double-max”… that is, give the maximum contribution for both the primary and the general election. I mention this both to point out Burner’s fundraising potential over the next few weeks, and to needle all you big-money donors out there to max out now.
This is good news for Democrats in WA’s 8th Congressional District. Both Burner in WA-08 and Peter Goldmark in WA-05 have the better message than their Republican opponents. They don’t need to raise the most money to win, they just need to raise enough to stay competitive, spend wisely, and get their message out.
So far, so good.
merp spews:
I wouldn’t be surprised to see Reichert outraise Burner in the next cycle, since Karl Rove is coming into town next week to fundraise for the Republican Party and Reichert specifically. It’s a $1k/head event so I wouldn’t be surprised to see it bring in a good amount for Reichert.
Pretty impressive showing for Burner.
Facts Support My Positions spews:
How many of you “Americans” are going to protest the appearance of a KNOWN TRAITOR in Bellevue? I will be there. Rove should be tried for treason, for leaking the identity of an undercover agent to the press, and helping destroy the company she worked for.
Thinka about it. A person who damaged our country arguably as bad as Benedict Arnold will be raising money for Reichert.
Be there.
Lyndon the Roach spews:
This is fantastic news. Now Reichert’s hoping to score some easy cash from his borrowed brain Karl Rove next Friday. David is not up to this challenge or he would be better able to raise funds on his own. Have you noticed how much of his money is coming from events attended by a few of his powerful puppet masters? Darcy on the other hand is slowly but surely gaining ground on Sherrif Haircut.
If Darcy’s team can win this weekend’s DCCC vollunteer turnout contest she’ll win a party-backed fundraising boost of $70-100K. Anyone interested in helping her should go to darcy’s website and sign up to vollunteer or get details to contact the campaign.
N in Seattle spews:
merp says:
I dunno. Aside from the observation that the Rove thing will be small (100 attendees) and aimed at people who are already hefty contributors to Reichert (and thus may not be able to throw more that $1000 — or less, if they’ve double-maxed — at Dave), it’s my belief that a photo of Turdblossom arm-in-arm with Sheriff Hairspray could be worth quite a bit in contributions to Darcy’s campaign.
Besides, what “intelligence” can Rove offer to Reichert? He’s already Bush’s brain, so he probably doesn’t have a brain left over to fill the vacuum between Reichert’s ears.
klake spews:
I know that at 130+ posts, this is about to be a dead thread, but I was browsing through some articles online about CCR, and just couldn’t help chuckling at the lyrics to “Fortunate Son”, and their uncanny resemblance to George W. Bush. I’m sure others have noticed the resemblance also.
As you will recall, Senator (and later President) George H.W. Bush pulled some strings to get his son, George W. Bush, out of the draft and instead into the Texas Air National Guard, where he was to bravely defend the shores of Texas from the pending invasion by godless communist Vietnamese hordes.
So in honor of the anonymous soldier who went to Vietnam in place of George W. Bush, I offer the following lyrics, authored by John Fogerty and performed by CCR:
“Some folks are born made to wave the flag,
Ooh, they’re red, white and blue.
And when the band plays “Hail to the chief”,
Ooh, they point the cannon at you, Lord,
It ain’t me, it ain’t me, I ain’t no senator’s son, son.
It ain’t me, it ain’t me; I ain’t no fortunate one, no,
Yeah!
Some folks are born silver spoon in hand,
Lord, don’t they help themselves, oh.
But when the taxman comes to the door,
Lord, the house looks like a rummage sale, yes,
It ain’t me, it ain’t me, I ain’t no millionaire’s son, no.
It ain’t me, it ain’t me; I ain’t no fortunate one, no.
Some folks inherit star spangled eyes,
Ooh, they send you down to war, Lord,
And when you ask them, “How much should we give?”
Ooh, they only answer More! more! more! yoh,
It ain’t me, it ain’t me, I ain’t no military son, son.
It ain’t me, it ain’t me; I ain’t no fortunate one, one.
It ain’t me, it ain’t me, I ain’t no fortunate one, no no no,
It ain’t me, it ain’t me, I ain’t no fortunate son, no no no.
http://www.kriechhammer.at/music/ccr.htm
Commentby rhp6033— 9/8/06@ 9:09 am
Rhp you make a great point, but you can add Bill Clinton to the list and he did not join any military, but supported the NVA. Oh I did correct a few spelling errors but left John Fogerty song along. You chaps should avoid looking up a dead horse ass and come up with some new, but the song is one of my favorites.
Daniel K spews:
Rove coming to town isn’t going to make any more difference than when Bush came to town for Reichert and Burner STILL out raised Reichert. Rove’s connections to Reichert will simply drive more money Burners way.
Janet S spews:
Facts Support My Positions: Got any facts to support your accusations? No? Thought not. Too bad your sign off is a lie, just like the rest of your post.
Rove didn’t commit treason.
But Maria Cantwell did funnel taxpayer money to her boyfriend so he could pay off her loan. Nothing like violating Senate ethics rules for a little personal benefit.
horse whisperer spews:
The combination of Pam and Karl is great. Talk about a loose nuke! Hopefully cameras will be there. Please let Pam TALK.
Art Vandelay spews:
Just sent another $25 Burner’s way in honor of Bush’s Brain’s visit. I’m guessing this might be more of a fundraising coup for Darcy.
Janet S spews:
Maria Cantwell is evading taxes. If she collected on her loan from Dotzauer, she would have to pay taxes on the accrued interest. If she has no intention of collecting on the loan, it makes it a gift that is substantially over the gifting limit, and therefore triggers the gift tax.
Why do we want a Senator that violates ethics rules and evades taxes?
klake spews:
Goldy and Gang does Burner support this source for her information for not fighting the War on terror?
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/WTC_STF.htm
THE DANCING ISRAELIS
Like most Americans, I was gripped by senses of profound shock, horror, revulsion, sadness, and rage as I watched the horror of September 11, 2001 unfolding live on my television screen. Watching the mass murder of thousands of innocent people live on television was the most upsetting experience of my life. How could any person of sound moral character not be enraged at witnessing this horrific act of barbarism? To read about some faraway, long-ago genocide in a newspaper or a book is distressing enough. But to actually witness the mass murders of what was, at first, believed to have been tens of thousands of innocent people is truly heart stopping and traumatic. I barely slept for two nights afterwards and suffered nightmares. Polling data would later reveal that 65% of Americans actually shed tears on 9-11.
Art Vandelay spews:
How the Bush apologists love their straw men. No one is suggesting not fighting terrorism, but of course you know that.
Democrats and enlightened Republicans are pointing out the futility and pointlessness of our occupation of Iraq, and demanding a shift in emphasis to tactics that work – for example, the robust intelligence and police work that captured the would-be British liquid bombers.
Libertarian spews:
and therefore triggers the gift tax.
Why do we want a Senator that violates ethics rules and evades taxes?
Commentby Janet S— 9/8/06@ 10:18 am
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Currently, gifting over $12,000 to any one individual triggers an event, but does not necessasrily trigger the gift tax. Suppose I give you $15,000 today. That gift exceeds the standard $12,000 tax-free gift amount. Let’s further assume I have yet to use any of my estate exclusion, so I can pass $1,000,000 to my heirs through the “gift” of my estate. By since I’m giving you $15,000 today, I’m “using” $3,000-worth of that $1,000,000 this year ($15,000 – $12,000 = $3,000).
The IRC requires me to file a gift form because I’ve exceeded the $12,000 limit, but no taxes will be due because all I’ve done is “use” $3,000 of my $1,000,000.
If I drop dead in a few years and make no more gifts to anyone, the amount of my estate that can pass tax-free to my heris is $997,000 because I “used” $3,000 this year.
So, just because Maria Cantwell “gives” somebody some money by not collecting a debt-owed does not necessarily she is avoiding taxes. Most likely, she would only be using-up a little of her $1,000,000 tax-free transfer amount.
rhp6033 spews:
Klake at 5: You had me worried. I saw that post, and wondered if I hadn’t double-posted by accident. Then I saw your comment at the end, and realized you had posted it for me.
And yes, Bill Clinton avoided the draft, as did Rove, Cheney, and Limbaugh, and I think Dean, also. Lots of people did back then. Even Rev. Pat Robertson served in the military but his father used his influence to get him off a troop ship to Korea. Of the post-WWII generation of politicians still active in national politics today, I can think of only a handful who actually served in Vietnam: Gore (although his was a non-combat desk job), Kerry, and McCain. I’m sure there must be more, but I can’t think of them right now.
A friend of mine (who served during the Vietnam years in the JAG Corps) once told me that there were lots of ways to get out of going to Vietnam – some required advance planning and hard work (he went to law school), others required political connections to get into the Guard or Reserve. It was generally the poor and working-class that ended up in the jungle, except for a few who volunteered for patriotic reasons (which diminished in number considerably as the war progressed).
And no, Clinton did not support the NVA, he protested against the war. Trying to get the bus driver from driving head-on into a brick wall doesn’t mean you are doing it because you love the wall.
Libertarian spews:
It was generally the poor and working-class that ended up in the jungle, except for a few who volunteered for patriotic reasons (which diminished in number considerably as the war progressed).
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rhp6033,
Good point! The same could also said about the War Between the States, a.k.a. The Civil War Lots of folks weren’t too keen on getting killed or dying of disease. There were ways of avoiding service, on both sides of the conflict!
rhp6033 spews:
Funny, isn’t it? We had all those posts from Republicans complaining that Darcy Burner’s rallies were being held in Seattle, rather than in the district.
Yet just about every Republican fund-raiser or appearance this side of the mountains has been held in Medina. Is that the only safe place for them? The only place they can be guaranteed a private audience of enthusiastic supporters?
And has “Sheriff Dave” held a truly public event during this campaign season? I assume there must have been AT LEAST ONE that I haven’t heard about. I guess I’m not on his mailing list.
I also notice that McGavick’s new ads don’t say anyting on the issues, but have lots of applause dubbed and cheering while he speaks. But it sounds kind of funny – I can’t imagine McGavick getting wildly enthusiastic cheering for comments about his “civility” campaign, it seems out of place. I wonder how McGavick’s campaign got the sound that was dubbed in. It would be really embarrassing for McGavick if it turned out it wasn’t really from any of his appearances, but was instead purchased commercially or came from another candidate’s appearances.
Janet S spews:
rhp – this is painful, but I have to agree with you in regards to Reichert’s campaign. I haven’t seen much evidence of one being waged, I’m not sure what he is waiting for. It is frustrating.
Libertarian spews:
Yet just about every Republican fund-raiser or appearance this side of the mountains has been held in Medina. Is that the only safe place for them?
Commentby rhp6033— 9/8/06@ 10:57 am
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Given the make-up of King County, my guess would be “yes.” The anothter place in KC that might not be too hostile could be Mercer Island. There may also be some areas in eastern King County that Republicans would not view as a combat zone.
jsa on commercial drive spews:
And no, Clinton did not support the NVA, he protested against the war.
Sit down dear, we need to talk.
You see, in this world if you protest the war, you are in fact supporting the NVA.
If you are skeptical of the war in Iraq or the squeezing of civil rights by anti-terrorism laws, you want the terrorists to win, you want to be praying to Mecca five times a day, and you want to have your mothers, wives, sisters, and daughters wrapped in burkas.
If you aren’t convinced that cutting taxes and privatizing everything in the public sector that isn’t nailed down is a good idea, you hate capitalism and want everyone dressed in badly fitting blue clothing like they did in that 1984 book.
As long as the world is explained with the correct with-us-or-against us mentality, everything makes perfect sense, and you will understand why we believe how we believe.
歡迎大右派文化大革命
(If you install Chinese fonts on your machine, that will read: “Welcome to the Great Conservative Cultural Revolution!” Since we believe in traditional values, we don’t use any of those newfangled simplified characters the commies do over in Mainland China neither)
dutch spews:
(No)Facts support my position:
Armitage is coming to raise money for Reichert…Wow
rhp6033 spews:
Libertarian at 15: Yes, the “War Between the States”, (or the “American Civil War”, or the “War for Southern Independence”, or the “War to Preserve the Union” depending upon your point of view) was probably the first war which earned the label “rich man’s fight, poor man’s war”. This was true of both sides.
Under the Conscription Act in the north, someone with enough money could either (a) pay a fee to get a “bye” from the current draft lottery, but he was still subject to being called again in the next lottery, or (b) hire a substitute to serve for him. Wealthy citizens also financed supplemental bonuses to be paid to recruits from their districts – if enough volunteered locally, there would be no draft in that district. But the Union soldiers and commanders had very poor opinions of the qualities of conscripts, substitutes, or “bonus men”, feeling that they required to much effort to guard and supervise them, and that they tended to “melt away” in actual combat, but would mysteriously “re-appear” when it was time to eat.
The Confederates enacted more or less universal conscription much earlier, and encompassing a wider age range (up to 45 for most of the war, I think it was 55 at the very end). But it had some important exemptions, including provisions exempting overseers of slaves and some militia members (there was a ratio of slave to overseer which applied, but I don’t remember it right now). U.S. Grant said in his autobiography that by the end of the war, virtually every Southern male was in the military in one form or another.
I think WWII was probably the war which was most “democratic” in terms of both rich and poor serving. This was probably due to the social stigma which attached to any male of military age which didn’t have a good reason for not being in uniform. But even then, the exemption available for college students gave an “out” to any family with enough money to send their son to college. FDR supported the exemption, saying that he didn’t want to denude America intellectually of trained young people. It could also have been supported on the grounds that otherwise, colleges might have been forced to close due to lack of enough students to support their budgets. But back then, before the G.I. Bill, and the availability of student grants and loans, only the rich could send their sons to college, and therefore only the rich had that method of getting out of the draft.
I did know of one fellow during WWII who not only was not drafted, but was rejected from volunteering three times. He failed the physical, as his eyes were “too slanted”. He was Nisei, the son of Japanese parents. He wasn’t sent to relocation camps because he already lived in Yakima, and as he said, “they couldn’t think of anywhere worse to send us”.
ArtFart spews:
The Republicans hold fundraisers in Medina for precisely the same reason Willie Sutton gave for robbing banks: “That’s where the money is.”
John Barelli spews:
“I don’t belong to an organized political party. I’m a Democrat.” – Will Rogers.
Commentby Janet S— 9/8/06@ 10:18 am
“Maria Cantwell is evading taxes. If she collected on her loan from Dotzauer, she would have to pay taxes on the accrued interest. If she has no intention of collecting on the loan, it makes it a gift that is substantially over the gifting limit, and therefore triggers the gift tax.”
Two questions on this. First, what evidence do you have that she does not intend to collect on the loan? I’ve made loans to friends in the past, some of whom have yet to repay me. They will when they can, although it might be years.
Second, what evidence do you have that she is charging Mr. Dotzauer interest? When I loan money to friends I do not ask for interest, even on some rather large loans. Of course, I haven’t loaned anyone $50K, but my personal resources are somewhat more limited than Ms. Cantwell’s.
From an earlier post:
“Maria Cantwell did funnel taxpayer money to her boyfriend so he could pay off her loan. Nothing like violating Senate ethics rules for a little personal benefit.”
Perhaps I missed something, but this is a new claim for me. Exactly what are you talking about here?
Oh, and by the way. While I’m not a big fan of Mr. Rove, I do agree that with the (rather convenient and very delayed) confession of Mr. Armitage, there is what a jury would call “reasonable doubt” that Mr. Rove did deliberately reveal Ms. Plame’s name to the press. So, perhaps we should refrain from calling him a “traitor”, a term that the right wing seems to equate with all Democrats and liberals.
Still, he may not be the best person to send out on a fund-raising mission for local Republicans. Hmmmm. Wait a minute. From my perspective, he is exactly the person I want the Republicans to send out. Please, could you have him stand just a bit closer to Mr. Reichert and Ms. McMorris? That’s right. Arm over the shoulder. Good. Now, everyone smile for the camera…
John Barelli spews:
Oh, just an afterthought. Could Mr. Rove also do some fundraising and a few “grip and grin” photos for Mr. McGavick? Please?
Doctor JCH Kennedy spews:
Remember, Vote early, Vote often, Vote Democratic!!!!!!!!!!
-Commentby My Left Foot— 9/7/06@ 7:58 pm The democratic party would be the REPUBLICAN PARTY. I believe what you are so ineptly attempting to say is ‘vote democrat’… you do understand the difference, don’t you? Commentby howcanyoubePROUDtobeanASS— 9/7/06@ 8:20 pm
No he be too stupid to comprehend the semantic differences of life!
Commentby Puddybud Mo Money Ray Nagin [……………………………………………………………………….Correct, PUD Kennedy Nagin, Carl Grossman, liberal idiot, is too stupid to understand the difference!]
Doctor JCH Kennedy spews:
26, cont………PUD, your use of “Ebonics” was helpful for the HA.ORG Democrats to follow your post.
For the Clueless spews:
To the bet-welshing, lying coward called MTR:
1) Pay off the bet YOU LOST to Goldy!
2) A “moonbat” publication called The Economist otherwise know as the voice of global capitalism has just editorialized the following:
Mr Bush has got two years left in the job. He would like to be remembered as a straightshooter who did the right thing. Tackling climate change would be one way to do that.
Read it and take your chi-squared bullshit over there.
Janet S spews:
Here is the AP story detailing the Maria Cantwell’s payoff:
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/s.....TE=DEFAULT
When Dotzauer registered as a lobbyist, why didn’t he pay this off? She has to list it every year in her disclosure statement, reminding the world that she has a financial entanglement with a registered lobbyist. Are both Dotzauer and Cantwell so new at the game that they can’t see that it wouldn’t play well? Or is there something more going on?
rhp6033 spews:
JSA at 19: You didn’t refer to my entire quote. I said:
“And no, Clinton did not support the NVA, he protested against the war. Trying to get the bus driver from driving head-on into a brick wall doesn’t mean you are doing it because you love the wall.”
I remember well when Bill Clinton had the Navy launch cruise missles at Iraq (forcing them back into the inspection program), and the Republicans louldy complained that he was only taking that action to divert attention from his domestic problems. I guess this means that since they were protesting the President’s actions against Iraq, that means they supported Saddam Hussein?
Lets be consistent here. I’m tired of Republicans applying double-standards. Anybody is free in the U.S. to criticize a government official if they think their policy is wrong, without being labeled a traitor. That includes both Democrats and Republicans, and regardless of who is in office.
I’m actually a pretty conservative fellow myself (fiscally and culturally). I believe in a balanced budget, but support reasonable taxes and well-planned investments in infrastructure. I also happen to be an evangelical Christian. I also believe in a strong defense which is only applied overseas sparingly and wisely. I grew up in the South, I’m of Scots-Irish descent, and I was a marksman (BB gun by age eight, 30.08 calabre at 14, M-14 by age 16). I was also an Eagle Scout.
But here I am, a Democrat. Why is that? Because over the past forty years or so, I saw large discrepencies between what the Republicans say, and what they actually do.
Republicans say they want to balance the budget, but actually increase budget deficits by several orders of magnitude in order to support their tax cuts (Reagan and W. Bush presidencies). They say they want a strong defense, but are complete idiots when they apply it overseas without any knowledge of the history, culture, or the real current politics or social conditions of the area. (Instead, they tend to think only in black-and-white terms which may not apply to a local situation: Communists vs. Anti-Communists, Islamic-Fascists vs. Christians/Jews, etc.). They rally votes from fundamentalist Christians with cultural issues, but put their issues on the lowest priority when it comes to their real agenda (tax cuts for the wealthy and federal contracts for their supporters), and they tend to confuse “cultural” with “Christian” issues.
And the hypocrasy is just amazing. I remember in 1992 hearing Republicans insist that only a combat veteran (George H.W. Bush) is qualified to ever serve as President (yet in 2004 they reversed course, saying any military service is the same). In 2000 they righously huffed that no one should criticize George W. Bush for serving in the Texas National Guard, or question the details of his service, yet in 2004 they financed a smear campaign against Kerry, a real combat veteran. In 1980 they claimed that all budget deficits were bad, but by 1984 they were insisting that there was nothing wrong with budget deficits, because “we owe it to ourselves” (a convenient argument which ignores the distinction between taxpayer and bond-holder, and doesn’t take into account the T-bills held by foreigners and their governments).
In short, every time I’ve gotten mad with the Democratic party and start to look for alternatives, the Republicans remind me why I don’t vote with them. The Democrats engage in pecadillos from time-to-time, but the Republicans loot the national treasury and try to sell of our public assets.
By the way, I do have Kanji fonts loaded on my computer, but I still can’t see your reference to Chinese characters – it only shows square blocks.
John Barelli spews:
“I don’t belong to an organized political party. I’m a Democrat.” – Will Rogers.
Commentby Janet S— 9/8/06@ 11:47 am
Ok, I read the story, and didn’t see any reference to “Maria Cantwell did funnel taxpayer money to her boyfriend so he could pay off her loan.”
Perhaps if he did pay off the loan, you might actually have a valid point here.
Considering his client base, I’m really not very happy that Mr. Dotzauer has the ear of Ms. Cantwell. They may be friends, but I really don’t like most of his client base. They read like a “who’s who” in the Republican party, and she has voted with the Republicans on a couple of issues that have troubled me.
Still, the loan has been properly disclosed, and even without this “financial entanglement”, he would still be a close friend and confidante of Ms. Cantwell. Is something unseen going on? That could be asked of any candidate, but Ms. Cantwell has at least chosen to keep this friendship out in the “sunlight” where we can all see it. Perhaps not the best move from a political standpoint, but it is certainly honest.
Facts Support My Positions spews:
I am really sorry if you have a problem with me calling a traitor a traitor.
Maybe I am just supposed to sit quietly by, and watch Bush, and his Republican criminal friends destroy my country.
Not me baby.
N in Seattle spews:
Small point for rhp6033 @ 14:
Howard Dean did not “avoid” the draft, unless you consider having a draft board physician declare you 4-F to be “avoiding”. It was for a back problem.
Doctor JCH Kennedy spews:
WASHINGTON – Washington Sen. Maria Cantwell helped arrange more than $11 million in federal money in the past year for projects benefiting clients of a lobbyist who is advising her re-election campaign and still owes her money from a personal loan. Cantwell, a Democrat who is in a tight re-election race…–snip–Ethics experts…said she should have avoided helping the clients or made sure the loan was repaid before she helped.
Everybody forgets that Maria Cantpay got elected by pledging her stock in a dotcom start up that tanked … so she didn’t have enough $$$$ to pay off the loans.
She had to sell herself to Hillary! and others, including crooked RAT infested lobbyists and others to pay off her fraudulent loan.
Don’t see much of that in the paper. But Lord help us if Tom DeLay has an unpaid parking ticket … Stop the presses!
Janet S spews:
Facts – lots of blathering, but no, well, facts. I am just curious what Rove did that you think qualifies as being a traitor. Unless and until you do, I will have to believe that you are suffering from BDS, and your judgement is clouded.
John Barelli spews:
“I don’t belong to an organized political party. I’m a Democrat.” – Will Rogers.
Commentby Facts Support My Positions— 9/8/06@ 12:03 pm
“I am really sorry if you have a problem with me calling a traitor a traitor.”
Not really. My personal opinion of Mr. Rove is probably not much different from yours. The term “traitor” has been so over-used these days that it no longer seems to hold much meaning.
I think that the Republicans are making a terrible mistake in using him for fund raising. Perhaps they’ve already given up on these races, and are simply trying to get a bit more $$$ from the local party faithful for other races where they think that they still have a chance.
Now, if we could just get them to do a few more photo ops with the Vice President and the local Republican candidates, that would probably put this election in the bag for us.
sillyguy spews:
28 To the bet-welshing, lying coward called MTR:
1) Pay off the bet YOU LOST to Goldy!
How about discussing the facts of the current thread…It makes much more interesting reading.
rhp6033 spews:
N in Seattle at 33: I was working hard to be over-inclusive, bringing in people from both parties. Others have alleged that he didn’t really have much of a back problem, I just haven’t had time to look at that issue yet.
I don’t have anything against 4-F. Apparantly I would have been draftable during the WWII or Vietnam drafts, but when I actually volunteered for the reserves in 1980 I was rejected due to my poor eysight.
Of course, it depends upon how badly they need warm bodies. I have a nephew who got into some minor scrapes with the law as a juvenile, which was enough for them to reject him for military service when he turned 18 in 2003. But now they are telling him its not a problem, and they are actively recruiting him.
I’m not sure at what stage Dean was declared 4-F, but as a medical doctor, John Dean could have been called into the military on rather short notice if he was really needed. He was probably more valuable to the military being “on the shelf”, going through medical school on his own dime, than he would have been as a draftee.
klake spews:
Democrats and enlightened Republicans are pointing out the futility and pointlessness of our occupation of Iraq, and demanding a shift in emphasis to tactics that work – for example, the robust intelligence and police work that captured the would-be British liquid bombers.
Commentby Art Vandelay— 9/8/06@ 10:40 am
Art since you know so much about war, write us a book on winning the war on terror. Second though may you should stick to reading funnie papers.
John425 spews:
SO, Goldy…is Cantwell diddling Dotzauer or vice-versa?
klake spews:
And no, Clinton did not support the NVA, he protested against the war. Trying to get the bus driver from driving head-on into a brick wall doesn’t mean you are doing it because you love the wall.
Commentby rhp6033— 9/8/06@ 10:45 am
The best one I saw was the chap stuck a mouse up his ass so the doctor could only see the tail. I work they help him out the door and told him not to come back.
rhp6033 spews:
JCH is off to hs usal rants at # 34, with no attempt to relate it to facts. Just to set the record straight: Cantwell gave a loan TO a personal friend and campaign manager who later became a lobbyist. That means he owes HER a favor, not the other way around. As a conflict-of-interest allegation, this makes NO SENSE. JCH quoted: “Ethics experts…said she should have avoided helping the clients or made sure the loan was repaid before she helped.” But as someone posting above pointed out, repaying the loan before bringing the clients to Cantwell would have been more of a potential problem than if it were allowed to remain as an unpaid loan.
JCH continued: “Everybody forgets that Maria Cantpay got elected by pledging her stock in a dotcom start up that tanked …”
Again, a misrepresentation of the facts on several fronts. Cantwell won the election on the issues, and her opponant was quite well financed too. RealNetworks did not “tank”, it is still in business, although the stock value did diminish in value during the collapse of the technology stocks and post- 9/11 stock market crashes.
JCH said: “She had to sell herself to Hillary! and others, including crooked RAT infested lobbyists and others to pay off her fraudulent loan.”
Nothing fraudulent about the loan, and your claim otherwise is an outright lie. And your allegations of Cantwell turning to “RAT invested lobbyist” is completely unsupported and also a lie.
This thing is just an attempt to try to muddy the waters to cover McGavick’s receipt of an apparant 28.4 million campaign contribution/bribe from Safeco. Trying to call Cantwell’s campaign contribution to herself, duly reported, as a “fraudulent loan” is outright laughable in comparison with McGavick’s apparant post-resignation bribe from Safeco.
JCH said: “But Lord help us if Tom DeLay has an unpaid parking ticket”. This is an obvious blatant misrepresentation of DeLay’s attempts to launder an illegal campaign contribution through multiple fronts, which is only one instant of many highly ethically-challenged money issues with which he was involved.
I really loved the one where the State of Texas established a public-relations department in Washington D.C. to support its interests there (isn’t that what DeLay was supposed to be doeing?), then used taxpayer money to hire a lobbying firm on its behalf, which then made large contributions to Republican candidates and PAC’s. Nothing like making the taxpayer pay for your re-election campaign to preserve power (unless its gerrymandering)!
rhp6033 spews:
Klake at 41: I don’t even understand that post at all, I doubt anybody does.
proud leftist spews:
Klake
You are illiterate. Your posts are grammatically incomprehensible. Such inability to write a coherent sentence indicates that your thoughts could not possibly be organized. Of course, that explains your political views. Keep your thoughts to yourself rather than embarrassing yourself publicly.
treasonous pickle spews:
The Phase 2 or the Senate intellingence report on Iraq is out. A bipartisan committee has determined that BUSH LIED US IN TO WAR.
If this isn’t a reason for impeachment, then what is???
rhp6033 spews:
“According to a White House announcement, American Idol runner up, Clay Aiken will be appointed to the Presidents Committee for People with Intellectual Disabilities. Clay said he is going to start working immediately on President Bush and then continue with the rest of the White House.”
http://www.bobrivers.com/onthe.....de=article
For the Clueless spews:
How about discussing the facts of the current thread…It makes much more interesting reading.
Gee I apologize. I suggest if you don’t like it go back to (un)SP.
Maybe you can talk about the Minnow’s crank calls to Dean Logan’s house.
klake spews:
Klake at 41: I don’t even understand that post at all, I doubt anybody does.
Commentby rhp6033— 9/8/06@ 1:31 pm
The best one I saw was the chap stuck a mouse up his ass so the doctor could only see the tail. I work they help him out the door and told him not to come back.
Sorry rhp about the clicks and burps. In the year of 1966 we were all doing medical checkups to determine who was going to be drafted. Before your time, darning the Viet Nam War they required everyone to show up for a physical. One chap didn’t want to be drafted into the military, so to get a 4F rating he stuck a mouse up his ass. Mind you the mouse was alive before he left home. The doctors discovered the mouse along with those chaps whose sphincter mussel would not stay shut. The dude with the mouse was mentally off and the others were considered gay. Those lucky chaps were excluded from the military. As you can see you did not have to join the National Guard to avoid Viet Nam.
Daddy Love spews:
Janet S
“Maria Cantwell did funnel taxpayer money to her boyfriend so he could pay off her loan. Nothing like violating Senate ethics rules for a little personal benefit.”
Got any facts to support your accusations about her intentions? You can read Maria Cantwell’s mind? No? I thought not.
klake spews:
You are illiterate. Your posts are grammatically incomprehensible. Such inability to write a coherent sentence indicates that your thoughts could not possibly be organized. Of course, that explains your political views. Keep your thoughts to yourself rather than embarrassing yourself publicly.
Comment by proud leftist— 9/8/06@ 1:32 pm
I really wanted your proud support, and you being smarter than everyone you only embarrassing yourself publicly. Remember love and peace.
My Left Foot spews:
Vote Early, Vote Often, Vote Democratic!!!!! A clean Democratic sweep is coming…..Get your Wingfuck asses out of the way.
Daddy Love spews:
Wow, that was cool.
rhp6033 spews:
“The doctors discovered the mouse along with those chaps whose sphincter mussel would not stay shut. The dude with the mouse was mentally off and the others were considered gay. Those lucky chaps were excluded from the military. As you can see you did not have to join the National Guard to avoid Viet Nam.
Commentby klake— 9/8/06@ 2:08 pm”
I’m still confused. Does that mean you were mentally off, or considered gay? If not, how did you avoid Vietnam without joining the guard?
rhp6033 spews:
An actual Vietnam draft story, as told to me by someone who was personally involved (but was not the draftee):
During the early 1970’s, the college student deferrment was eliminated, and the traditional draft board selection process was replaced with a nationwide lottery. The order in which your birth date was drawn determined your likelihood of being called up during the next year. It really was a much fairer system, although “what’s your number?” became a common subject of discussion (and anxiety) on college campuses.
One fellow who was facing a near-certain draft decided to put his studies to work for him. He was double-majoring in sociology and psychology, and his studies of BF Skinner and “conditioned response” led him to believe that if the right stimuli were applied, he could be made to flunk the physical.
So with the help of several “assistants” (fellow students), he set up an experiment utilizing a blood-pressure monitoring device, and an electric-shop therapy. Basically, everytime they put the blood pressure cup on him and started pumping it up, they gave him a series of unpleasant electric shocks.
Soon, the very sight of a blood pressure cuff would cause his blood pressure to jump through the roof.
When he took his physical, the physicians suspected something was wrong. After all, he was a young man in apparantly good physical condition, why should his blood pressure be so high? So they put him in the hospital for several days, taking blood tests on a regular basis in addition to the blood pressure tests, to see if he had been using some drugs to automatically elevate his blood pressure. No such luck for them, his pressure continued to remain high every time they tested him, and no drugs were found in his system.
So they gave him a 4-F, and he didn’t have to worry about the draft any more. But on the other side of the coin, he still cannot buy life insurance – he fails the physical every time they take his blood pressure.
CaughtInTheMiddle spews:
#45 BUSH LIED US IN TO WAR:
Exactly what did Bush lie about — something he knew to be untrue but passed off as true? Please be specific so we can see how stupid you are.
Daddy Love spews:
CaughtInTheMiddle @ 55
How about:
“There’s no evidence Saddam Hussein had a relationship with Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and his Al-Qaida associates, according to a Senate report on prewar intelligence on Iraq. Democrats said the report undercuts President Bush’s justification for going to war. ”
“The declassified document being released Friday by the Senate Intelligence Committee also explores the role that inaccurate information supplied by the anti-Saddam exile group the Iraqi National Congress had in the march to war.”
“It discloses for the first time an October 2005 CIA assessment that prior to the war Saddam’s government ”did not have a relationship, harbor, or turn a blind eye toward Zarqawi and his associates.”
CaughtInTheMiddle spews:
57. Not one of your reasons addresses the reason(s) he used for going to war — hence I see no lying on his part.
Facts Support My Positions spews:
Do you want the lies Bush told, or the lies Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Rice told too?
As for lying, Bush asked for authorization to use force from congress claiming he would only use force as a last option, even after telling the British (downing st memo) when the bombing was to begin.
Every time they mentioned mushroom cloud, it was a lie. Saddam had not nuclear weapons program, and they knew it. Sorry Dick.
Atta did not go to Checkoslovakia. Sorrry Dick.
Head of CIA Drumheller told them he had an insider on Saddam’s council, and they told him there were now wmd’s. They told him it was a matter of regime change, not intelligence.
The list goes on, and on. I am getting tired of typing.
If you think Bush, and his lying cabal did not lie you must live in an alternate universe. In the real world a lie is a lie.
Oh remember North, South, East, and West of Tikrit and Baghdad Rumsfeld? He “knew” where the WMD’s were.
They lied. Deal with the fact that our leaders committed what amounts to treason.
Facts Support My Positions spews:
Mushroom Cloud, Mushroom Cloud, Mushroom Cloud, Mushroom Cloud, Mushroom Cloud, Mushroom Cloud, Mushroom Cloud, Mushroom Cloud, Mushroom Cloud, Mushroom Cloud, Mushroom Cloud, Mushroom Cloud, Mushroom Cloud, Mushroom Cloud
Lie, Lie, Lie, Lie, and on into practically infinity.
In your anternate universe a lie is the truth, war is peace, slavery is freedom, and what was Orwell’s other ones?
And to think they tried to impeach Clinton because he though a bj was not the same as having sex.
Republican = Nuclear Powered Hypocrite
For the Clueless spews:
Hey Wingnuts,
Check out this traitor!
I don’t agree with some of what he says but he sure is pissed!
Had enough? Vote Democrat!
CaughtInTheMiddle spews:
59/60. Lie. I think EVERY politician lies. Because they are a necessary evil, I tend to side with the ones who tend to keep government out of my knickers. Don’t know your politics, but from your comments I’d say you tend to like the ones that redistribute wealth and resources so all can be at the same misery level while they live high on the hog aka Soviet Union…
For the Clueless spews:
I tend to side with the ones who tend to keep government out of my knickers.
Then you don’t want to vote for the Republicans.
howcanyoubePROUDtobeanASS spews:
This is for John Barelli… the ONLY liberal around here with a sense of humor.
NEW YORK – A public school teacher was arrested today at John F. Kennedy International Airport as he attempted to board a flight while in possession of a ruler, a protractor, a set square, a slide rule, and a calculator.
At a morning press conference, Attorney General Alberto Gonzalez said he believes the man is a member of the notorious Al-gebra movement. He did not identify the man, who has been charged by the FBI with carrying weapons of math instruction.
“Al-gebra is a problem for us,” Gonzalez said. “They desire solutions by means and extremes, and sometimes go off on tangents in a search of absolute value. They use secret code names like ‘x’ and ‘y’ and refer to themselves as ‘unknowns,’ but we have determined they belong to a common denominator of the axis of medieval with coordinates in every country. As the Greek philanderer Isosceles used to say, ‘There are 3 sides to every triangle.’
‘When asked to comment on the arrest, President Bush said, “If God had wanted us to have better Weapons of Math Instruction, He would have given us more fingers and toes.” White House aides told reporters they could not recall a more intelligent or profound statement by the president.
rhp6033 spews:
Okay, getting back to Darcy, and her recent poll results and fundraising numbers:
I think Reichert must have been seeing these same numbers last week, hence Rove’s trip out here to support the Reichert campaign. It really is a testiment to Darcy’s campaign, and the anti-Bush backlash, that a seat which was considered “safe” for the Republicans just a few months ago is now in serious jeapardy.
Reichert’s original strategy was to ignore the challenger, in order to not give her any greater name recognition or credibility as a “real” challenge. But I think with Rove’s appearance, we are seeing that strategy being tanked. Instead, I expect the Republicans to begin putting some real money into the race, probably with a blitz of negative TV ads, probably by third-parties so Reichert can take the position that he is “above the fray”.
Facts Support My Positions spews:
All I can say is go to my actblue.com fundraising page and give Darcy some $$$
Show up at her campaign headquarters tomorrow so she can win the contest for an easy $70,000
http://www.actblue.com/page/timeforchange
help me help Darcy
And Rove Is Still A Traitor
jsa on commercial drive spews:
rhp6033 @ 30:
Thanks for taking the time to explain yourself.
I was making a rather facetious comment. Don’t read too much into it.
I don’t know why my hanzi scribblings aren’t showing up. There is not a single character set that is used to display DBCS fonts. (i.e., when we write in English, it’s always ASCII or a close superset thereof. A single character set). I know of at least five that are still in common use in Asia, and there are doubtless others I’m not aware of. It’s not that interesting to read Chinese anyhow.
YO spews:
JOHN @24 DID I NOT TELL YOU TO GET YOUR ASS BACK TO THE GOAT LOCKER.OH YA DID I TELL YOU THAT YOUR AN IDIOT.
John Barelli spews:
“I don’t belong to an organized political party. I’m a Democrat.” – Will Rogers.
Commentby howcanyoubePROUD — 9/8/06@ 4:24 pm
Just spotted this one. Thanks. Very funny.
Commentby YO— 9/8/06@ 10:55 pm
Um, YO? – Hmmm. On second thought, never mind. Your post speaks for itself. Carry on.
Cliff spews:
I am SOOOOOOOOOOOO going to laugh at you guys when you lose both these races.
You thinking you can win WA8 is acceptable. Wrong, but it’s not looney. You thinking you can win WA5 is just downright silly. It’ll be fun to come here and make fun of you guys then.
Anonymous spews:
My mind is like a fog.
I don’t care.
That’s how it is.
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