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Me and Joe

Yup. That’s a picture of me with Sen. Joe Lieberman. And I’m smiling. I wonder how this is going to play with folks in the “peace and justice” movement?

Comments

  1. I’ve blocked out the other faces to protect the innocent, but of course, the picture was taken during the run up to the 2000 presidential election. (In the full picture, Vice President Al Gore is standing a few feet to my left.) So I have an excuse.

    That said, while I’m smiling, my then three-year-old daughter seems to be a bit apprehensive about standing so close to “Joementum.” Wise beyond her years.

  3. Kissing pictures?!!? Damn, Goldy, you smooch in high company!

    Seriously though… the problem I have with Lieberman is not his stance on the war per se so much.

    My problem is his using his adopting Republican rhetoric and memes on the war, privitization of Social Security, bankruptcy bill, restriction of contraception to rape victims, etc….

    Furthermore, he then goes onto every news outlet he can find and does maximum political damage to the Democrats by reinforcing Republican lines and giving Bush political cover.

    If he really thought he could do this in sapphire blue CN without drawing some opposition he was sadly deluded.

  4. Lieberman is the only democrat that i would vote for if he were running for president. he’s smart, aware and would do a great job.
    the fact that he was “saddled” with that turkey gore before is the reason why he wasn’t elected. if they had only turned the ticket around they might have gotten somewhere.
    that being said…what are you trying to do? ruin his chances???LOL.

  7. Liebermann lost me when you was the first Democrat to blast Bill Clinton about Monikagate. What an asshole Joementum is.

  8. Harry,

    Let’s not trot out the “Monikagate Dog & Pony Show.” That was tedious then and ancient history now.

  10. Another STUNNING defeat for the right and their attempt to bring the KKK-wing of the GOP to the forefront in an attempt to stop people from voting. When the righties complain about wanting all the votes counted ask yourself this…who’s always behind every law, court case and other move to stop people from voting. It’s ALWAYS the GOP!

  11. 8.

    So, Lieberman blasting a Democratic president for a sexual peccadillo is OK, but turning a blind eye on a Republican president who is lied us into an unnecessary war is A-OK.

    That’s why the Democrats are seen as a bunch of wimps.n

    Name a Republican in the senate rose and chastised Dick Cheney for outing a CIA agent.

  12. No, Harry, what I meant but did not spell-out clearly is that the Monikagate stuff is meaningless today, about as relevant as the plot of a 1960s soap opera. I was trying to communicate that I wish to hear no more about Bill Clinton and Ms. Lewinski, regardless of who’s doing the telling. Taht story’s fifteen minutes of fame was up years ago.

  16. Left Turn is perfect example of the ‘out of control’ poster that Goldy needs to manage if he wants to have an effective Blog. There is no discussion points possible with him and several other posters here. Goldy’s comments “But I work hard on many of my posts, and once in a while I’d like to generate a little substantive discussion” will never be possible with posters like Left Turn.

  18. 12.

    Monikagate isn’t the issue, Joe Lieberman jumping in front of the cmeras to denounce Clinton at the drop of a hit is the issue.

    Sheesh!

  21. Monicagate is old news. If righties were at all rationale, Bush would be impeached. Let’s not go over old ground and old stories.

    Sillyguy, you are determined to point out every little ad hominem and slight sarcasm but it will be to no avail because absolutely nothing that anyone has said on this liberal thread even comes close to the commentary spewed that was the topic of discussion on the other thread. So, lighten up and join the party or get lost. Nobody needs a wannabe monitor. Okay?

  22. http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/001115.php

    Republican crook number 8383093736. Exposed.

    And no doubt many of the righties want me gone. I cause them too many problems. And as soon as Klake, JCH, Puddbut et. al. are banned or clean up their act I will to. Until then I am giving you right wing traitors and cowards shit 24.7. Deal with it punk.

  25. 25 I disagree. That’s a horrible insult to people whose parents didn’t happen to be married when they were born.

  27. If dems were serious about putting one of their guys in the white house, they’d nominate Lieberman. He could easily pull the swing vote.

    But you moonbats won’t stand for that. You push kooks like algore and JFK and TSWITW. You will keep losing as long as you put out extremists like them.

  28. 23

    What a crock – The democrats are upset because this guy likes to gamble?

    “A persistent government critic and former state police casino licensing commander Bradley Beecher sent emails early this week raising questions about Schlesinger. The ones that have Republicans talking are that their Senate candidate is, in casino parlance, a card counter and has used a “Wampum Card” (the Foxwood casino loyalty card that gets gamblers points for spending money) under the assumed name of “Alan Gold”

  29. The MSM in the US proper are nearly supine in relationship to the current administration and the current Republican Leadership. The comment threads get a lot of international ‘hits’ because they are one of the very few signs of any reality based thinking in the American body politic. The rightwing trolls here parrot talking points, falsehoods, and distorted facts/analysis like you can get by picking up any Murdock dominated paper, or listening to any dog-n-pony-snow-job at a Whitehouse ‘Press Conference’. It seems the ‘smackdown’ aspect is an attraction.
    That being said, I still advocate some regulation of rightwing trolling. This is a liberal blog not to be available as a handy megaphone for rightwing nonsense, agitprop, or snarky attacks. When you come into someone’s parlor you do not shit on the floor, nor stubb out you cigarettes on the furniture. I will echo what Roger Rabbit has said elsewhere.

  30. As to “lack of substantive discussion”, I will grant the signal to noise ratio is lousy, but my point is: If you read US Newspapers, or listen to US TV, there is very little critical commentary, or even dissent. Just the fact that there is even a ‘food-fight’ going on here can be reassuring to an ex-pat who watched the debacle of the past two ‘preznidental elections’ through foreign media. Otherwise, the choir of Amens from our media to the most astonishing BS can be rather unnerving.

  31. 30

    Your post started off quite nicely in the first sentence but then degenerated into pablum. Amarica needs the discussion of different points views otherwise you should stand in your closet and recite your talking points. Blogs are for discussion of different points of view – to blindly put labels such as “rightwing nonsense, agitprop, or snarky attacks” is a disservice to Goldy’ blog. Likewise, I would say the same of folks posting the same thing on conservative blog.

  32. Go to your conservative blog and say it. Go now do not pass go, and don’t let the door hit you on the way out. I know a ‘sock-puppet’ when I see one. Today you pose as a ‘reasonable’ sillyguy. Among the regulations I advocate to reduce or eliminate trolling is registration of a valid e-mail and the elimination of ‘sock-puppetry’.

  33. 33

    You do have good idea of having to post with a vaild email address. That could possibly reduce of the trolling and name calling that occurs here. I do disagree about your thoughts on ‘sock puppets’ as you have no idea what all of my points of view are just the same as I don’t know yours. So please feel free to further define ‘sock-puppetry’ and how you would plan to eliminate it from HA.

  34. You know, sillyguy, I give the benefit of the doubt and if you are one of the four trashers in disquise, well, we liberals open the door to you as long as you keep yourself disguised! Afterall, that’s what Bush and Rove excel at – disguising motives! I think you will tire trying to keep up that level of civility however.

    But, if you wanna leave, up to you.

  36. Follow an ugly moonbat moby troll home and see if someone ugly opens the door for him/her!

  37. wow! left turn and killatroll…are you serious? left turn you are just absurd in that not funny just vulgar kind of way. and kill a troll…so anyone with a different point of view from you or goldy is a troll that should be silenced? geez…that’s so old soviet union don’t you think?
    as long as the “progressives” [and god…that is a funny thing for them to call themselves in the first place] keep wanting to shut up anyone with a different viewpoint you will be the cheeping minority.
    have you ever noticed that nothing gets “progressively” better?
    yup…it’s a thinker alright………….

  38. The more the inbred child rapists on the right attack me personally, the more I realize how much my work is needed here. It’s just like fuel in my gas tank. Keep it up you cowardly morons. You deserve every piece of shit I throw your way. And besides, you need something to eat don’t you?

  39. How is it that the New York Times, running a piece about a government program (that the government acknowledged three years ago) is treason, but outing a CIA agent is not? Death is too good for Karl Rove. We should turn him over to the towell heads and let them have their way with him.

  40. now that’s exactly what i am talking about left turn. boring to the point of silly. you are just crude and unevolved.”inbred child rapists”???? where do you come up with this stuff? and more to the point…every time you say something like that, all we really think is 1. god…you’re so dumb, and 2. ted ‘i really did kill someone and rape isn’t out of the picture either’ kennedy.
    if you were even remotely interested in goldy’s “future” career or the democratic party looking less silly than it does now…would you be posting this mental effluent?
    hmmmmmm…maybe you are the troll after all?

  41. towell heads????
    left turn if you are going to use racial slurs perhaps you should learn how to spell them?

  42. @33 Yet no doubt you, like Goldy, do not support forcing voters to register at a valid residence for elections. Are you trying to set higher standards for HA than for KCE?

  43. Give it up Michael. No amount of harping, carping, lying and spinning changes the facts. . .this election you are still snivelling about was adjudicated in a court of law. The Republicans spent two million dollars to prove four fraudulent votes in the state. . .all cast for Rossi. Tell me, were the Republican Lawyers so incompetent, or the Republican Leadership so dumb and inept that they could not produce any credible evidence to support your whining in that court of law? Michael, you are so Lame!

  44. So, if as the judge decreed, all we have to do is put the felons on the stand and ask them who they voted for, then why do we even have a criminal justice system? Can’t we just ask all accused criminals whether or not they are guilty? Because surely they all tell the truth.

  45. 28 – “faux redneck” – You’re winning with extremists so why shouldn’t we? Besides, “Iwannabeasenatoragainplease” Leibermann needs to out himself. He’s a dem in name only.

    45 – Michael – Are you telling a conservative judge in a republican county that he doesn’t know how to administer jurisprudence? Or are you just whining again . . . ?

  46. You still haven’t addressed whether there is any method of proving how an illegal voter voted other than asking them. There isn’t. And we all know how trustworthy convicted felons are.

  47. Hello.

    Killatroll/saveaBlog, I am not some right-wing whack job. Rather, I am a former Democrat who has had to become an Independant a couple years ago. You mention that only the Righty-tighties parrot talking points and do not want any actual discussion. I am here to say that is not true.

    I come to this site (and Sound Politics) with an open mind and with questions that I would like answered from both sides. I am always polite, I attempt to make my point clear and concise, and try to keep away from a set mindset. And I am here to say that while a few here on this sirte actually try to do the right thing and engage in discussion, the Lefty-looseies do nothing other than insult, slander you with the current talking point Du Jour, and in general treat you like outcast if you do not follow in lockstep with what the DNC is telling you to think. (I will not mention any names.) It is one of the reasons I rarely post anymore. If I wanted to be insulted, I would have kept my old job as a convience store clerk.

    Now I try to give Goldy a chance, even on occasion listening to his show on the radio. (A quick aside- Goldy, I think you should have your guests face the callers a LOT more often, it creates good radio. But that is just me.) And while he may be crude at times, and also at times gives the appearance of someone a little TOO comfy with certain party officials, he at least tries at times to do more than ad hominem attacks. This schoolyard mentality of who can insult quicker and more than anyone else is killing all attempts at civility. So you claim the other side started it? Does that mean you have to get even nastier? I would like to think the Democrats are better than that. I know that since you are reletively anonymous online, it makes being insulting easier, but I would like to think we are all people, not a bunch of knuckledraggers who scratch our asses and then smell our fingers.

    Anyways, that is my two cents on the political debate issue. As to Leibermann? He doesn’t seem too bad, although I harbor a personal grudge against him for his stand on video games. But I will not try to destroy him for that, he seems to be having enough problems as of late.

    Domo.

  48. 48 “I am not some right-wing whack job. Rather, I am a former Democrat who has had to become an Independant a couple years ago. You mention that only the Righty-tighties parrot talking points and do not want any actual discussion. I am here to say that is not true. . . the Lefty-looseies do nothing other than insult, slander you with the current talking point Du Jour. . . ”

    ROFLOL ROFLOL ROFLOL ROFLOL ROFLOL ROFLOL ROFLOL ROFLOL ROFLOL ROFLOL

    I don’t know which of the trashers you are . . . but I”m still laughing!

  49. and kill a troll…so anyone with a different point of view from you or goldy is a troll that should be silenced?

    Commentby christmasghost— 7/12/06@ 8:38 pm

    …

    christmasghost,

    Nice point. I’ve noticed more virtiol against those who disagree with the main characters on this blog than on other blogs. Opposing points of view are automatically labeled “troll” and attacked vigorously.

    Goldy is great about allowing opposition to his point of view, but his “followers” aren’t quite so magnamimous.

  51. Libertarian, ChristmasGhost has established her credentials as a troll nbeyond question, and seldom has any substance to contribute. However, I will deconstruct the folowing post in this thread to elucidate that point:
    #

    wow! left turn and killatroll…are you serious? left turn you are just absurd in that not funny just vulgar kind of way. and kill a troll…so anyone with a different point of view from you or goldy is a troll that should be silenced? geez…that’s so old soviet union don’t you think?
    as long as the “progressives” [and god…that is a funny thing for them to call themselves in the first place] keep wanting to shut up anyone with a different viewpoint you will be the cheeping minority.
    have you ever noticed that nothing gets “progressively” better?
    yup…it’s a thinker alright………….

    Commentby christmasghost— 7/12/06@ 8:38 pm
    Now when a homeowner, or his trusted guests ask you not to light the furniture up, is that exercising undue control? To compare the exercise of that control on as similar to the des]potism of the Soviet Union is so Incindiary as to be beyond comment. That is why she will not be missed.

  52. There’s are reasons you don’t see the vitriol on other blogs Libertarian. You aren’t looking for it. Or if you’re looking for it at Steffy’s USP you won’t find it because just like Russian President Putin, Steffy doesn’t allow dissent. And most righties wouldn’t if they could figure out how. So live with the vitriol or leave. It’s up to you. And by the way, look at the crap that comes out of the mouths of some of your fellow right wing pals here like Klake, JCH, YO, Puddybutt and their ilk. Your cries against the vitriol would be more believable if they weren’t so one-sided.

  53. ‘To continue in deconstructing: as long as the “progressives” [and god…that is a funny thing for them to call themselves in the first place]”
    It is precisely this sort of ad hominem which is the hallmark of a troll. What we call ourselves, is miz pocha entrez-nous if you will. such comments from outside are boorish at best, and precisely trollish.

  56. Actually I see some diagreemnents on Stefan’s blog, but Stefan has his software reject certain posts that contain certian words. You have to disguise cusswords to get the post onto the site.

    A few liberals venture over to Stefan’s site, but they seem to stay here, mostly. I see nothing but Libertarians on the local blob, laceylibertarian.com.

  57. Hello.

    Thank you Skagit for proving my point perfectly for me. I posted an even-handed post, and what does the FIRST person after me do? Accuses me of being one of the ‘trashers’ posting under a different name. And Goldy wonders why his site isn’t taken seriously as a site of debate…

    Domo.

  58. Your words spoke for themselves. I didn’t need to prove them . . . The trashers on this blog are in plain sight and they are not the “leftie loosies” whatever that is. And you apparently think that discussing issues equals the right’s penchant for talking points. So, it is hard to take your criticism seriously.

    Keep looking. Maybe you’ll find that perfect blog for disingenuous exdems.

  59. “Lefty-loosie” means turn the nut to the left wit yer wrench to maken’ it come off, and “righty tighty” means turn the nut to the right to tighten ‘er down.

    Git ‘er done!

  60. Hello.

    Larry, thank you for explaining it. I adopted the terms from my mechanic days. I didn’t pick one over the other, I mentioned them both. I never said I am a follower of the right’s talking points. You just went off and assumed that in your instant attack on me. Did I say anywhere I prefer the right to the left? Did I say anywhere the Republicans are always right? Did I say anywhere the Democrats are always wrong? No. But you saw someone who doesn’t follow everything you think I should and you lashed out. Fine by me if you want to be that way. I shall go back to lurking, another person wanting to help Goldy make this blog a better site, but shall instead just forget about it. It is not worth any grief I get for daring to ask questions or state my personal views in a discussion. Maybe I should just look elsewhere for answers…

    Domo.

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