Gerald Ford, the 38th President of the United States died today. He was 93.
The man was President. He lived a full and relatively healthy 93 years. You don’t mourn a death like that. You celebrate the life.
I’m a pretty partisan guy, but apart from pardoning Richard Nixon, I hold nothing against President Ford. In fact, I think we were pretty lucky to have somebody like him in the White House at that very tumultuous moment in our nation’s history. While I was only 13 at the time, I actually secretly preferred Ford over Jimmy Carter in the 1976 general election. (My personal misgivings about Carter were misplaced, but my political instincts proved to be dead on.)
Hmm. I wonder if President Ford will be given the same sort of lavish state funeral afforded President Reagan?
Nicely said goldstein.. I’m actually quite impressed.
President Ford was good people.
Funeral Arrangements
The Military District of Washington, which oversees state funerals, retains the funeral plans written out by Ford prior to his death. Ford requested a state funeral and a burial in the courtyard of his presidential museum in Grand Rapids, Michigan. Services are likely to be held later this week.
Upon the death of U.S. Presidents, the nation’s flags are usually flown at half staff for 30 days after the death.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G.....rangements
President Ford was the kind of man that could never have won the Presidency, but exactly the kind of man that was and would be best for it.
He didn’t want the job.
He made decisions based on what he thought would be in the long-term best interest of the country, even when those decisions would be immediately unpopular.
He was personally and professionally honest.
Even the decision that many liberals still take issue with (the pardoning of President Nixon) was, I believe, made honestly and with the best interests of the country at heart. While I may disagree with his reasoning and many of his philosophies, I truly believe that he was honest with us, even when it hurt him politically.
When I make a distinction between “conservatives” and “neo-cons”, President Ford is the model I use for “conservative”. He was a man of great patriotism and integrity.
He would not have made it through the primaries with either party, as he knew that the world and the issues of the world were too complex to be reduced to a ten-second sound bite, and refused to try.
Tomorrow, flags all over our country will be at half-mast in mourning. Mine will be one of them.
But our grief will not be for President Ford, but for ourselves. We have lost a statesman, and we are in short supply of them.
76 was the first election I could have voted in. I failed to do so, freshman in college, like. I would have voted for Ford, and he did carry Washington.
I’m pretty sure, that he was the last time I would have voted Republican :)
We’re down to three ex-Presidents, all who have pluses and minuses. The guy I should have voted for in 76 (Carter) is still the best ex-president we’ve ever had!
A very good man as well as sincere. Too bad the vp deal didn’t go forward with Reagan in 1980, as the crowning of boy wonder probably would not have taken place. How history could have changed for the better.
The Nixon pardon no doubt cost him his re-election but I think was the right thing for the country. He also pardoned the guys who avoided the Viet Nam draft to help heal the country.
I liked him, and I really like his wife. Last of the Republicans not tied to the Religious Right.
He could debate without being partisan…Im afraid those days are gone forever.
Well, he certainly grew into being president. When he was in the House he tried three times to get an impeachment resolution against William O. Douglas. When he was in the House, he was a narrow, partisan asshole. When he became president he really did change.
He had less than two years as president, but he made some spectacularly good appointments. Ed Levy, his attorney general, cleaned up a DoJ that had suffered years of corruption by Nixon (Anybody remember Robert Bork?).
Mostly he slowed the progress of the cancer that eventually took over the Republican Party. I wish he had been more successful.
I voted for Mr. Ford in 1976. While I didn’t like the Nixon pardon, I understood it. It was the move of a statesman rather than a politician. The same with pardoning the draft dodgers.
He is one of the few Republicans I’ve voted for.
Gerry Ford was the last ‘moderate’ GOP POTUS. Thouroghly decent man.
Also, he was dead on in pardoning Nixon. He was right to spare the country the distraction.
With all due respect to you Einsteins, I thought Carter pardoned the vets immediately after inauguration . . . Was it Ford? Got me wondering here.
A year or so ago at work we were explaining to a recent immigrant that it was a big deal for Gerald Ford when he became president that he was able to butter his own English muffin!! She was surprised to learn that his buttering ability would be such big news.
Gerald Ford’s passing reminds us of the moderate part of the Republican Party which, sadly, no longer exists.
It actually saw its highest points between 1973 and 1974, even while the cancer which was the Nixon presidency was dying. Conscientious Republicans such as Sen. Howard Baker (R-TN) searched for the truth in the Watergate hearings, asking over and over again: “What did the President know, and when did he know it?” And Rep. Gerry Ford stepped up to serve their country in a position they neither asked for or desired, and were willing to make unpopular decisions because they knew it was the right thing to do. Those were the days when I would seriously consider voting for a Republican. Unfortunatley for the nation, those days have passed.
I thought he was a stupid pig.
Getting Dick off the hook was the deal.
How time has dulled the reality of this almost incompetent
right winger.
Betty is another topic. I bet she cheated on him all the time with every hot guy in DC.
Um. Don’t like the guy. Anti-Equal rights, pardoning a criminal, lets not forget the ridiculous “WHIP” program, plucking Rumsfeld and Cheney out of obscurity into the spotlight.
Worst was a pardon for a criminal president. Judging by our current situation, it “emboldened the enemies of democracy… “
Decent guy..served his country honorably…Ford pardoned Nixon..Carter pardoned draft dodgers..both actions were controversial, but necessary for healing..I think history has borne that out..
I think it was the ridiculous WIN program (I still have the lapel pin), which stood for Whip Inflation Now.
Gerald R. Ford was President of the USA for 29 months.
His Director of the CIA was George H.W. Bush. Donald Rumsfeld was Sec. of Defense. Elliot Richardson was Sec. of Commerce. His chief-of-staff was Richard B. Cheney, who was also campaign manager for the 1976 re-election attempt.
On Apr. 29-30, 1975, as “Operation Frequent Wind” dragged on, Saigon fell to the Viet Cong. Henry Kissinger was still Sec. of State & tried to “stay the course.”
The USA economy was in a cost-price-wage shambles and the interest rates were moving into hyper-inflation. “Whip Inflation Now” was the slogan–no program, just a slogan. He inherited an idiot, Arthur Burns, appointed by Nixon, as the Federal Reserve Chairman, & in combination with Nixon’s monetary, jackass William Simon, Sec. of Treasury, Ford’s gang of merry conservatives (just becoming neo-cons) successfully established the underpinnings of Carter’s economic woes & the beginnings of Reagan’s “Great Depression of 81-82.”
The Ford presidency set in motion the people, the style, the programs & the foolishness that Project for a New American Century has activated in the Bush XLIII regime & which was the motivator for Iran-Contra in the Reagan years.
Also, as a member of the Warren Commission, Ford was the master manipulator of the “magic bullet” charade to explain several incongruous elements of the Kennedy assassination.
The Nixon pardon established “non-responsibility” and alibi management by GOP administrations. They seem never to be accountable for any of their actions. So it is proper that “Mr. Nice-guy” go to his grave with all the alibis intact for Nixon, himself, Reagan, Bush XLVI & the current nincompoop-in-charge, Bush XLVIII. Yup, from the appointed to the annointed, our USA presidency moves on.
Mr. Ford was the ESSENCE of modern rethuglicans & probably their progenitor, sponsor & enabler. Dick Cheney as chief-of-staff!!!!!!!
FOR A GUY WHO “PLAYED TOO MUCH FOOTBALL WITH HIS HELMET OFF”, (WHO SAID THAT? DOLE? LBJ?) IT’S AMAZING HE LIVED TILL 93. I’LL GIVE HIM THAT.
LOOK AT THE FALLS THE GUY TOOK! CHEVY CHASE HAD ZIP ON HIM.
WHAT I CAN’T FORGIVE HIM FOR IS LOOKING THE OTHER WAY WHEN HIS HIS WHITE HOUSE WAS TAKEN OVER BY SITH LORDS RUMMY AND CHENEY, ONE OF THE MOST EGREGIOUS POWER GRABS IN THIS COUNTRY’S HISTORY. GERRY FORD IN GOOD PART BROUGHT ABOUT WHAT WE HAVE TODAY. RIP.
“Hmm. I wonder if President Ford will be given the same sort of lavish state funeral afforded President Reagan?”
Probably not…..Reagan was an Icon, Ford was a stand in.
A little note on lavish spending………..
The Times December 23, 2006
Speaker celebrates with a four-day party
TOM BALDWIN, WASHINGTON
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-2516837,00.html
Well well well……..The hypocrisy…………
Remember the hero of the left, Baghdad Jim Mcdermott, and his comments regarding the INNAGURATION OF THE PRESIDENT?
Here let me remind all of you…
“Mr. Weiner and Rep. Jim McDermott, Washington Democrat, in a letter to President Bush said that a celebration during the war on terror is inappropriate and the money could be better spent, saying the funds could be used pay for 690 Humvees and a $290 bonus for each soldier serving in Iraq.”
http://washingtontimes.com/nat.....-1062r.htm
Too Rich.
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17: Yep, it was the WIN program, whereby people would voluntarily forego demands for cost-of-living increases, in an attempt to derail the “wage-price spiral”.
Didn’t work. It was a dumb idea.
But in all fairness, Ford was hit by the economic slump caused by the Arab oil embargo and the resulting recession of 74-75. It was simply bad luck for him that his abbreviated presidency didn’t have time to recover from the double-whammy of the discontent over the Presidential pardon and the recession, and the recession was an event over which he had little control or responsibility.
It was our first experience with both a recession and inflation occuring at the same time. Carter struggled with it also during the second oil crises, caused by the OPEC cartel exercising its market muscle. He didn’t have much better luck at it, and it hurt him a lot during his re-election campaign.
I heard yesterday that Stretch told Tony Bennett NOT to sing “I Left My Heart in San Fransisco” at her coronation. Apparently she does not want to be known as a San Francisco librul.
Could it be???
Four days wasted when we could have been looking for Osama……..
rhp – Carters problem was that he was a fucking idiot. I think that’s why he didn’t get reelected.
Gee, Jimmy what happened in Iran 78-79? Jimmy?
MTR – WITH ALL THOSE LETTER PAST YOUR NAME, WHY CAN’T YOU PAY YOUR FUCKING GAMBLING DEBT?
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I thought for sure that Ford had at least proposed amnesty for Vietnam era draft dodgers. I thought it was one of the issues that the right was using again him in the 76 primaries with Reagan.
Possibly he just proposed it and had his head shot off from the right, as he was never a favorite of that group of nuts.
Ford was the first of our wooden dummy puppet pResidents. Chosen for his stupidity to replace the insanely corrupt Agnew by the same cabal that then picked Ronnie, he was the very prototypical model of our current horrific nightmare W. Aren’t these guys in that cabal great? I just can’t wait for their next selection.
27: My memory may be off a bit, but I think there is good reason for confusion between the Ford and Carter amnesty programs.
Ford proposed a way for Vietnam-era draft dodgers to earn amnesty by doing alternative service in hospitals, etc. At that point many of them had established their lives in Canada or under alternate identities in the U.S., so very few were interested. Carter did away with the alternative service requirement.
For the most part, the only difference was that it allowed people who had become permanant Canadian residents, with families, to visit their families occassionally without worrying about being arrested at the border.
Doonesbury did a hilarious cartoon series on the subject at the time, whereby two draft dodgers were at a press conference, praising Ford’s amensty program which included a generous pension and office budget for the rest of their lives. When it was explained to them that those benefits applied only to Nixon’s pardon, and that they were expected to work for their amnesty with no financial benefits, they started singing “O Canada”.
Off Topic:
Looking ahead to 2008.
While most of the media will be transfixed by the Presidential election, the Republicans are quietly preparing their campaign to take back the Senate. With the Democrats only one vote up in the Senate, all they need is to keep their current seats and win one Democratic seat.
Things are probably more settled in the House. Except for deaths or retirements, the last election probably shook out of office the vulnerable Republicans, the “low-hanging fruit”. But once they find themselves in the minority, there may be a few Republican Representatives who decide to retire rather than face years (if not decades) of being out of power.
But with only one-third of the Senate up for re-election last year, there are quite a few Republican senators who have not been tested in the new political environment.
My question(s): How many Senators from each party are up for re-election in 2008? And which current Republican senators will be most vulnerable in 2008?
Skagit invited me to call him at his place of work when he posted the following:
skagit says:
“…You truly need my help. Call me . . . 253-850-3371
12/24/2006 at 3:30 pm
I googled the phone number and found it was for the Education Station on Kent’s East Hill. http://www.edukstation.com/hom e.html The owner of the schools is someone named Emilie Bonney. Skagit may be Ms. Bonney or perhaps is an employee.
From the Education Station website,they have this mission statement:
Emilie Bonney’s mission with Education Station is to bring success, ease, and joy to her students. Students of all ages learn effective skills and strategies to apply to their work, school, recreation, and lives. By realizing their gifts and (for some) dissolving their learning and doing blocks, they become increasingly confident and happy.
In response to a post I made, skagit responded:
Ah, Mark, your testosterone is showing again. I can only hope you get a really big case of cancer, your kidneys go, and and it metastizes to the brain . . . you use us all your health account, you can’t work and you lose you income, and your kids and wife (as if anyone would even consider becoming your spouse) become homeless.
Yes, I find it very easy to wish that upon a misanthrope like you. You deserve it.
How many of you think skagit has “effective skills and strategies to apply to his work and life”? Is wishing sickness, death, poverty, and homelessness on others one of those skills?
How many of you think that skagit has a “doing block”?
I need you moonbats to weigh in on this: How many of you would send your kids to the Education Station on Kent’s East hill when one of the staff members there is so narrow minded that he can’t even discuss viewpoints that disagree with his. How many of you would want your kids to be taught be someone who wishes sickness, death, and poverty on those with whom he disagrees.
Are people like skagit who we want teaching our kids?
Hey Skagit – I suggest you spend today and next coupla days making a list of “transferrable skills”. And maybe also develop some “coping strategies” for dealing with being unemployed. Unlesss of course you have a “doing block”.
Did Ford also pardon the draft dodgers also ? I believe he did …Maybe Carter did , it was a while back ..
MTR: I would rather be educated by Skagit’s school system than any school you attended. “By your results you will know them”.
@31
There have always been idiots, bullies and miscreants – only now we all have internet access.
Redneck,
Perhaps you should enroll in the Education Station. Your education appears to have skipped some fundamentals like, for instance, critical thinking. Idiocy is not a virtue, Mark. It’s not even cute. And, arrogant idiocy, your actual affliction, is downright ugly. Head off to school, old boy, time’s a-wastin’.
uh oh invisible hand (on my shrinking manhood), chi-squared, uh, uh, letters past my name, uh, vaginas, uh well
i’ll go to (un)sp to worship stefan now. he’s intelligent.
As I recall, the vet pardon was one of Carter’s campaign promises that he vigorously exploited.
I liked Carter. His downfall was that he took his job too seriously and micromanaged. Had he been better at delegating, he’d have a better legacy today.
Let’s not forget the October surprise. Those Republicans seem unable to win anything decently. How is it you people on the right forget these things . . . But I guess so much corruption eventually destroys the whole organization.
Also, I recall Ford – whom I liked as president – was sort of mean-spirited. He voted against everything that would help regular people like minimum wage, unions, education . . .
Time has a way of minimizing faults. He was an okay pres.
rhp6033 @ #30. Apology for the length, but it may be a useful referral list. Democratic party folks think they may win about 20 to 22 of these seats, nyuk–nyuk–nyuk. GOP hacks think they will hold steady or pick up one seat. The rethuglicans are praying at the sepulchre of Saint Ronnie RayGun. The Democrats will probably pick up (gain) about 12 to 15 seats–unless Bush XLIII “wins” a war somewhere & maybe Saint John McCain wins the presidency. The GOP is like so fucked!
This list is copied, by me, from DailyKos, stated to be public domain.
http://www.dkosopedia.com/wiki.....tion,_2008
State…………. Incumbent Party Status
Alabama………… Jeff Sessions Republican
Alaska……………. Ted Stevens Republican
Arkansas……….. Mark Pryor Democrat
Colorado……….. Wayne Allard Republican
Delaware……….. Joe Biden Democrat
Georgia………….. Saxby Chambliss Republican
Idaho…………….. Larry Craig Republican
Illinois…………….. Richard Durbin Democrat
Iowa………………. Tom Harkin Democrat
Kansas……………. Pat Roberts Republican
Kentucky……….. Mitch McConnell Republican
Louisiana……….. Mary Landrieu Democrat
Maine……………… Susan Collins Republican Retiring
Massachusetts. John Kerry Democrat
Michigan…………. Carl Levin Democrat
Minnesota………. Norm Coleman Republican
Mississippi………. Thad Cochran Republican
Montana…………. Max Baucus Democrat
Nebraska………… Chuck Hagel Republican
New Hampshire. John Sununu Republican
New Jersey…….. Frank Lautenberg Democrat
New Mexico……. Pete Domenici Republican
North Carolina… Elizabeth Dole Republican
Oklahoma……….. James Inhofe Republican
Oregon……………. Gordon Smith Republican
Rhode Island….. Jack Reed Democrat
South Carolina.. Lindsey Graham Republican
South Dakota…. Tim Johnson Democrat
Tennessee………. Lamar Alexander Republican
Texas………………. John Cornyn Republican
Virginia……………. John Warner Republican
West Virginia…… Jay Rockefeller Democrat
For some reason blog wants to leave a hole here; maybe it knows something about Enzi.
Wyoming………….. Michael B. Enzi Republican
“I wonder if President Ford will be given the same sort of lavish state funeral afforded President Reagan?”
Of course not. It will be an archetypal state funeral, but unaccompanied by the emotive gnashing of teeth, wailing of babes, and women throwing themselves upon pyres, etc., that marked the passing of the Savior of the Universe or whatever the hell the wingnutties think Ronny Raygun did.
In response to several of the posts above…
Ford was physically a large man who had a messed-up knee, that started from an old football injury and was made worse years later by skiing. He finally had it operated on (after he was out of office, as I recall), but until then was plagued by a great deal of pain and the tendancy for that leg to buckle out from under him virtually without warning. He wasn’t a clumsy oaf–he had a genuine handicap.
I have to fault him for placing Cheney and Rumsfeld in high positions and allowing them to conjure up the beginnings of what became the PNAC and foist off the Soviet nuclear satellite hoax that perpetuated the Cold War long enough for Ronny Raygun to “win” it.
Economically, the real effects of the Vietnam war and our dependence on foreign oil were just catching up to us. I think it was in 1973 that we reached the watershed point where the productivity of the American worker reached its peak–it’s been declining ever since. We’ve compensated by making the two-income household commonplace, and more recently, by mortgaging our asses away. Ford’s efforts to deal with this seem feeble in retrospect, but in reality there may not have been a whole lot that could have been done without some real dislocations. Nixon had tried price and wage controls, and we wound up in miles-long lines waiting to buy gas. Carter tried to maintain the status quo and we got 20% mortgage rates. Since then we’ve basically busted wages and let the government do the borrowing in an orgy of corporate socialism.
Ford, as President, at least seemed to be attempting to serve the best interests of all Americans. To do so may have already been an impossible task. I don’t know that any of his successors have even bothered to try.
ROGER RABBIT POLL
Ronny Raygun saved
[ ] 1. The entire fucking universe
[ ] 2. The Milky Way galaxy
[ ] 3. The solar system
[ ] 4. The whole fucking planet
[ ] 5. The U.S.
[ ] 6. California
[ ] 7. His own ass
from
[ ] A. A supernova
[ ] B. Climate change
[ ] C. The Red Menace
[ ] D. Some nuns in Central America
[ ] E. Impeachment
by
[ ] i. Brilliant statemanship
[ ] ii. Delegating important decisions to Nancy
[ ] iii. Consulting a ouija board
[ ] iv. Dumb luck
[ ] v. Sleeping through his entire presidency
4 My understanding is the pardon was part of a deal negotiated with Nixon to get him to resign.
Carter, not Ford, pardoned the draft dodgers (on Jan. 21, 1977, the day after he was inaugurated).
Since George W. Bush and Dick Cheney didn’t technicall “dodge” the draft, they weren’t pardoned. Therefore, they and all the other yellowback Republicans who resorted to shady but technically legal means to weasel out of serving in Vietnam have not received the nation’s forgiveness and are officially still chickenshit assholes.
18 Looks like you have too many Roman numeral “V”s in there. You made Bush Sr. no. 46 and Bush Jr. no. 47.
Hey, Mark, you home engineering that Lionel in your basement? Choo-choo, choo-choo . . . are we having fun?
No wonder the Romans couldn’t build a construction crane that would stay up or any buildings taller than three stories. Just try doing engineering math with Roman numerals sometime.
20 Icon of what? Wingnut mythmaking? Of all the people responsible for the fall of the Soviet Union, Reagan certainly ranks below Gorbachev and Pope John Paul II; but in the end, the ultimate mastermind of communism’s eventual collapse probably was Lenin himself.
And, of course, all those guys were merely catalysts; the USSR’s demise was really due to the unsung millions of ordinary people of the subjugated countries who risked their lives to defy tyranny and the people and soldiers of the democracies who for decades manned the front lines and outposts, paid the taxes that bought the weapons and fed the armies and navies, and stood up to the Bolshevik bullies.
@20 Ain’t that just like a wingnut sore loser to whine about private donors spending their own money to maximize the p.r. impact of swearing in a DEMOCRATIC speaker. Eat shit, righties!
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I don’t think MTR got that genuine railroad conductor’s hat that he asked Santa for. That’s why he’s been in such a surly mood lately. He wanted to be able to put the hat on while playing with his Lionel and watching Thomas the Tank Engine. Poor Mark. Maybe if he’s nice next year instead of naughty . . .
20 Furthermore, that “HAR HAR HAR” line is my fucking COPYRIGHTED tag line so keep your sticky fingers off it, you fucking Republican crook!
21 I think LBJ’s and Nixon’s credit-card financing of the Vietnam war had as much — or more — to do with the double-digit inflation of the 70’s as the Arab oil embargo did. That structural inflation was there long before the real inflation caused by higher oil prices struck the economy. Monetary and credit policies also played a role.
But Ford was the archetypal conservative: He expected unions and workers to forego cost-of-living raises, but paid only lip service to businesses foregoing price increases. How the hell did he think people were supposed to live if prices went up and wages didn’t?
Coney @ #46. Yep. Fat-fingered those vees like I was in a 101st Fighting Keyboardists regimental posting contest.
23 “Right Stuff says: Four days wasted when we could have been looking for Osama…….. 12/27/2006 at 10:17 am”
Is this some sort of dumb wingnut joke? Who the fuck has been running the Pentagon for the last 6 years — AND STILL IS? Since when is catching Osama the speaker’s responsibility? Isn’t that the president’s job? Good Gawd, you wingnuts have your heads up your asses!
24 Your problem is that you’re a fucking liar and crook! Pay your gambling debt, welsher!
25 Carter tried to rescue our hostages in Iran. Your “icon” paid ransom for them. Nuff said.
whl at 39: Thanks, that’s a lot more info than I expected. I don’t know a lot about most of the names on the list. No Washington senators are up for re-eleciton in 2008. I know Lamar Alexander in Tennessee is untouchable, as long as he doesn’t do something really stupid. Joe Biden in Deleware (Dem) may pass up the Senate seat to run for the Presidency? I think Dole (Rep-NC) and Sununu (Rep-NH) and Dominichi (Rep-NM) are also safe seats, but I might hedge my bets with Sununu.
So by my rough count, we’ve got 21 Republican seats against 12 or 13 Democratic seats up for re-election. It seems that the numbers, at least, are on our side.
How many more American lives have been lost in the Middle East because Reagan paid ransom to terrorists and kidnappers?
That was, as I recall, the start of a rash of kidnappings of Americans in the Middle East.
ArtFart at 41 said: “Economically, the real effects of the Vietnam war and our dependence on foreign oil were just catching up to us. I think it was in 1973 that we reached the watershed point where the productivity of the American worker reached its peak–it’s been declining ever since. We’ve compensated by making the two-income household commonplace, and more recently, by mortgaging our asses away.”
I would agree completely. Add to that the virtual dissapearance of our manufacturing base which began in earnest during the early Reagan administration. If we were in a serious war, we couldn’t build our way out of a paper bag right now.
30 There are twice as many GOP senators up for re-election in 2008 and Democrats stand a good chance of picking up 4 to 6 additional seats. In any case, barring some catastrophe befalling Democratic election prospects, the Democrats should strengthen their Senate majority in the next election cycle.
31 Anybody who thinks you deserve to be a homeless pauper has my vote! Pay your gambling debt, welsher!
41 AF, you hit on a very important point about the economy. The post-WW2 economic boom was the high point of the middle class. In the ’70s & 80’s, the middle class held on by sending mom into the workforce; by the 90’s and ’00’s, the middle class held on by taking 2nd and 3rd jobs and resorting to borrowing. Now the country is under a political administration that is hostile to the middle class, and the backbone of middle class economic security is melting away — job security, affordable health care, pensions, and for their kids, access to higher education and access to home ownership. And these brass-balls conservative assholes are even assaulting the bedrock of our old-age security, Social Security! What’s ahead for today’s children of the middle class is a lifetime of job insecurity, indebtedness, with nothing to look forward to in old age. I fear for them.
The Decline of the American Empire has begun. W is the American counterpart of Nero.
As I posted yesterday, the Pentagon is giving serious consideration to recruiting foreigners to fill the ranks of our depleted military, offering U.S. citizenship in exchange for mercenary services.
As I recall, the Romans were overthrown by the foreign mercenaries they hired to fill their legions.
42…Roger, wasn’t that supposed to be L. Ron Hubbard?
63 & 66…Yup. The chair you’re sitting on is being hacked out from under you to fuel the fire of what’s left of the American economy. It may be that since we were dumb enough to base our entire economy on the automobile and foreign oil, that we’ve really been doomed and there isn’t much that anyone could do other than slow down the spiral enough that we might build the foundation for something sustainable. No doubt whatsoever, that the right has just been pushing us over the cliff all the faster. Basically, they’re scraping up everly last bit of capital–through madcap borrowing, robbing wage earners of their retirement and health care, and generally cooking the nation’s books–to allow the fat cats to worship in the Wall Street Temple of Mammonism for just a little longer. It’s an economic “Apocalypto”…and we ordinary folk are the ones getting our hearts ripped out.
Shell Oil has hired Gale Norton, one of the most anti-environment Secretaries of Interior in U.S. history, to be the general counsel for their shale oil development. http://tinyurl.com/y5ux8o
Getting oil from shale involves two huge environmental problems: The process requires enormous amounts of water (that are not available in Colorado and Wyoming, where the oil shale is located), and the retorting process expands the oil-bearing rock by about 30%, leaving more rubble than can be disposed of by dumping it back into the open pit mines it came out of.
The only way you can cost-effectively develop oil shale is by (a) stealing the Pacific Northwest’s water, and (b) dumping the mining tailings on the surface landscape, where they will leach toxins into the surrounding environment in perpetuity.
Sounds like Norton’s perfect for this job.
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RR @ 72
The development of shale oil, if there is an upside to such land raping, is that promoting shale oil causes conflict between two of the GOP’s more dependable interest groups–the oil and ranching industries. Because landowners in Wyoming and Colorado typically cannot limit activity on their lands by owners of subsurface mining rights (the oil industry), and shale oil production causes significant disruption of traditional ranching activities, many ranchers are not thrilled about the prospect of shale oil development. Naturally, in Bush world, the oil industry interests trump the interests of little old ranchers. So, the ranchers will get buttfucked if the Bushites get their way. Then, the ranchers may recognize their natural political ally–the Democratic Party. The GOP has already lost Colorado. Losing Wyoming, one of the reddest of red states, would show just how far the GOP has tumbled in the Mountain West.
73 Your screed is hardly worthy of a response, but first of all, would you have preferred it if Carter (or one of your guys, had he been in the Oval Office) dumped on our dear friend the Shah to prevent what eventually happened?
American Hostages saved by REAGAN? Lessee…they were released on Inauguration Day, right. So, unless Ronny Boy somehow accomplished a miracle in fifteen minutes, that must mean that by golly, he and/or his campaign, or his buddies in the CIA/NSA/Pentagon, without the knowledge and/or consent of the Commander in Chief or the Congress, were working some sort of back-channel deal with the Ayatollah and his buddies in Tehran. Hmmm…isn’t that something like TREASON, or something like that?
“Longest period of peace and growth”? For the marines who got blown to pieces in Lebanon? For all those former members of the middle class who we saw out on the street with their families, begging? For whoever bought it in Ronny’s illegal, covert war in Nicaragua, or the kids who died smoking the crack that may or may not have helped pay for that war, but which in any case proliferated like crazy while Ron and Nancy were blathering about “just saying no”? Oh, yeah…remember Lloyd Bentson’s comment about all the “hot checks” that created our illusion of prosperity in the late 80’s…that Bush 1 had to raise taxes to try and pay off?
Somehow it doesn’t look the same way to some of the rest of us as it does to you, RS.
RR: Yep, Reagan and Bush I managed to get everybody in the middle east pissed off at us. They sent the USS Missouri offshore of Lebanon to lob shells to support Christian militia in the mountains, and assumed that Muslim militias in Beirut would be able to distinguish between the Navy offshore and the Marines guarding the airport. Funny thing, they didn’t, and the Marine barracks was brought down by a suicide bomber. Predictable.
They they tried to trade arms for hostages. Funny thing, for every hostage released, a few more were taken. It became a growth industry. Predictable.
Then while they were selling arms to Iran they were giving the Iraqis access to U.S. intellegence to make sure they wouldn’t lose the war. They gambled that the Iranians wouldn’t find out about it. They did. More hostages taken, Iranian gunboats start shutting of oil shipping through the Persian Gulf, requiring us to send U.S. warships to escort foreign oil tankers. Predictable.
And when Iraq complains about Kuwait not paying enough for the war against Iran, the U.S. Ambassador under Bush I says that’s a problem between Iraq and Kuwait, and we won’t get involved. The Iraqi invasion wasn’t predictable, but given Saddam’s history, the ambassador should have been more careful.
So now we commit large scale troops to Saudi Arabia to protect our oil interests in the middle east. We win the war. But because Saddam is still in power, we decide to keep a military presence in Saudi Arabia indefinately. This upsets Muslim fundamentalists who believe Saudi Arabia is a holy land which shouldn’t be poluted by the feet of infidels, and America becomes their target. Yes, it was predictable, and was actually predicted.
In the intervening time, under Reagan’s watch lots of weapons and training were routed to the Afganistan Muhadeen, to fight the Soviets. Some of those fighters later turned their weapons on the next infidel they saw, the U.S.
One of the continuing movers and shakers throuout this period was Donald Rumsfield, who felt he had a Machiavelian ability to thread his way through the byzantine mazes of middle eastern politics. He didn’t.
And yet the Wingnuts still try to blame everything that goes wrong in the middle east on Carter. The only mistake he made was letting the Shah into the U.S. for medical treatment. Blaming him for anything else is like blaming the rescue worker for the building collapse.
OOOOps, I forgot a one,
Carter-anti-Israel
OOOOps copyrighted by any 2 year old (used with permission)
@75,76
“Holy Lib Logic”! You’re right, how could one be so stupid, Reagan was so terrible he just barely won re-election….
OOOPs (used with permission)
“Holy Lib Logic”! copyrighted by Robin (used with permission)
Reagan – anti communist/socialist champion of USA
Carter – Castro wannabe
77
“Carter anti-israel”??? HUH?
Oh, you mean because he brokered the Camp David stuff instead of just sending ’em more bullets to shoot at the hated infidels?
Excuse me….I guess I was assuming you might not be one of the total wackos promoting the Hal Lindsey grand vision of the tribe of America/Israel controlling “all the land from the Nile to the Euphrates” as a prelude to the Rapture.
Even if that’s your bag, now try and explain your way around the Reagan/Bush/Cheney/Rummy gang peddling arms to all those Islamic countries. I suppose they expected them to use them all to kill each other off instead of shooting anything at Isrealis or Americans…or were they even thinking about that?
Reagan – anti communist/socialist champion of USA
Carter – Castro wannabe
RIGHT STUFF: DIPSHIT LOSER. SEE NOV 7.
74 Hell, them cowboys might even lynch Dickless Cheney!* They hung horse thieves for a lot less.
* Not serious; just Ann Coulter humor.
73 What is chiefly memorable about the Reagan economy is …
a) The worst depression since the 1930s
b) The worst deficits of all time until Bush43
c) A drastic widening of the income gap between rich and poor
d) Record numbers of homeless people
e) Ruthless union-busting
Yep, Reagan fired the opening shots of the War Against the Middle Class.
77 “Carter-anti-Israel”
Either you’re fucking nuts, or you’re a sociopathic liar, or both! Carter made genuine efforts to settle the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, which is more than anyone can say for Shrub, the boy-president who set back world peace by at least 50 years with his sophomoric diplomacy.
78 Man, facts are toxic to these guys … pour on more facts, everybody, until everyone last one of these wingnut cockroaches is writhing in his death throes!!!
@79
Check out “Palestine, peace not Apartheid”
and google “Jimmy Carter, CNN, blitzer”
read his most recent interview, especially about Hamas…
I am pro Israel, pro peace, pro Palestinian state.
On a side note, unlike other presidents whom held the office and understand and respect the “institution” of the presidency and it’s importance to our country…..Why is it you only see Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton out there shooting their yaps off, undermining the “office of the president”? you didn’t hear Bush 41 running around during Clinton, nor Nixon, Ford or Reagan for that matter….why?
Class for one.
Duty for one.
The ability to put the country before their own ego..
Most importantly, they respect the “Office” and understand what it symbolizes around the world.
Every time Clinton and Carter jump on some tv and blast the office they only cheapen their own legacy (hard to do, as they are already tarnished)
@84
Facts
1976 election results
Carter 50.1% pop vote/ 297 electoral votes
Ford 48.0 pop vote / 241 electoral votes
1980 election results
Carter 41% pop vote / 49 electoral votes
Reagan 50.7 pop vote / 489 electoral votes
1984 election results
Reagan 58.8 pop vote / 525 electoral votes
Mondale 40.6 pop vote / 13 electoral votes
Raid in hand spray commencing….
Ronald Reagan, may God have mercy on his soul, did so much damage to this nation and to world relations that historians will line up to piss on his grave. He truly was the “Teflon President.” Just read the adulation that his apologists still spew. Amazing. The guy was not the Second Coming, people. He was an accident of history.
RS, You may have a point in #84 (although your had probably covers it), but what in the name of heaven are you talking about in #83?
87 “Ronald Reagan, may God have mercy on his soul, did so much damage to this nation and to world relations that historians will line up to piss on his grave.”
That yet remains to be seen…it’s still too recent. What we’re dealing with is still press-agentry, not history.
What may make Reagen look better than he would have otherwise is to have his tenure compared with the gawdauful mess our present fuckup-in-chief has managed to make of things.
One thing most of you “far left liberals” will never understand is; Ronald Reagan gave hope and pride back to this nation. That’s why you hate him so much. The majority on this blog hold the USA in contempt most of the time. You have never evolved past the counter culture/ anti establishment, distrust of the Country. People like Reagan believed in the county, the frame work, the values and inherent goodness of the United States.
And before anyone starts in with the coolaid crap. check the election results during his tenure…A vast majority believed in Ronald Reagan.
Wish we still had his leadership right now….
RS at 85 said:
“unlike other presidents whom held the office and understand and respect the “institution” of the presidency and it’s importance to our country…..Why is it you only see Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton out there shooting their yaps off, undermining the “office of the president”? you didn’t hear Bush 41 running around during Clinton, nor Nixon, Ford or Reagan for that matter….why?
Class for one.
Duty for one.
The ability to put the country before their own ego..
Most importantly, they respect the “Office” and understand what it symbolizes around the world.”
I really find that comment utterly laughable, in light of what Jimmy Carter has done in the world since he left office. He promoted democratic elections around the world (until the 2000 election scandal tarnished American credibility on the subject). He helped found one of the foremost self-help anti-poverty housing projects the world has ever seen, “Habitat for Humanity”, and worked at it tirelessly, even swinging a hammer from time to time (and not just for photo ops – he would spend several days working on a project).
Your comment is one of the whole problems with wingnut philosophy. You think any comments against Democratic presidents is fair game, but get all rightous in defense of the “institution” of the Presidency as soon as someone points out the errors made by a Republican president.
Carter has more class in his little finger than the (extended) Bush family has as a whole.
RS @ 90
I had a great deal of hope and pride in this nation until Reagan came around. He made people feel good about their worst attributes. He made selfishness (just read MTR’s posts) into a virtue. He was like the talented prostitute who can make an impotent man feel like he’s God’s gift to women. We’ll see how history treats him.
rhp @ 91
You hit the proverbial nail on the head. Jimmy Carter’s post-presidency has shown his integrity, foresight, and humanity. Reagan didn’t do a goddamned thing after being president but earn money. That may be why opinion polls now show Carter to be a more popular ex-president than Reagan. Funny how such things work.
Mourn the 200,000 Timorese
Wish we still had his leadership right now….
WHAT’S WRONG WITH DUBYA RS? DON’T YOU WORSHIP HIM LIKE ALL THE OTHER WINGUTS?
HE’S STAYING THE COURSE. IN FACT HE WANTS TO “SURGE” (BETTER WORD THAN ESCALATE).
AREN’T YOU FOR THAT?
LMAO!!!
Yep – Carter help found Habitat For Humanity in his post presidential era but did nothing while President. I do remember paying an enormously inflated house payment because of his inflationary policies.
USS REAGAN
Seeing it next to the Arizona Memorial really puts its size into perspective……………….ENORMOUS
Please read about the USS Reagan. Also notice the respect that the crew gives the Arizona Memorial when passing it.
This is absolutely beautiful!
BEAUTIFUL!
When the Bridge pipes “Man the Rail” there is a lot of rail to man on this monster: shoulder to shoulder, around 4.5 acres. Her displacement is about 100,000 tons with full complement.
Capability
· Top speed exceeds 30 knots, powered by two nuclear reactors that can operate for more than 20 years without refueling
· Expected to operate in the fleet for about 50 years
· Carries over 80 combat aircraft
· Three arresting cables can stop a 28-ton aircraft going 150 miles per hour in less than 400 feet
Size
· Towers 20 stories above the waterline
· 1092 feet long; nearly as long as the Empire State Building is tall
· Flight deck covers 4.5 acres
· 4 bronze propellers, each 21 feet across, weighing 66,200 pounds
· 2 rudders, each 29 by 22 feet and weighing 50 tons
· 4 high speed aircraft elevators, each over 4,000 square feet
Dates
· Dec 8, 1994 Contract awarded to Newport News Shipbuilding
· Feb 12, 1998 Keel laid
· Oct 1, 2000 Pre-commissioning Unit established
· March 4, 2001 Christened by Mrs. Nancy Reagan
· May 5, 2003 First underway
· July 12, 2003 Commissioned
· July 23, 2004 Arrived at home port in San Diego, CA
Capacity
· Home to about 6,000 Navy personnel
· Carries enough food and supplies to operate for 90 days
· 18,150 meals served daily
· Distillation plants provide 400,000 gallons of fresh water from sea water daily, enough for 2000 homes
· Nearly 30,000 light fixtures and 1,325 miles of cable and wiring 1,400 telephones
· 14,000 pillowcases and 28,000 sheets
· Costs the Navy approximately $250,000 per day for pier side operation
· Costs the Navy approximately $25 million per day for underway operations (Sailor’s salaries included).
****
US Navy welcomes the USS Bill Clinton
Sunday July 2nd ‘06 Vancouver, BC, Headed for Seattle, WA.
The US Navy welcomed the latest member of its fleet today.
The USS William Jefferson Clinton (CVS1) set sail today from its home port of Vancouver, BC.
The ship is the first of its kind in the Navy and is a standing legacy to President Bill Clinton “for his foresight in military budget cuts” and his conduct while president. The ship is constructed nearly entirely from recycled aluminum and is completely solar powered with a top speed of 5 knots. It boasts an arsenal comprised of one (unarmed) F14 Tomcat or one (unarmed) F18 Hornet aircraft which although they cannot be launched or captured on the 100 foot flight deck, form a very menacing presence.
As a standing order there are no firearms allowed on board. The 20 person crew is completely diversified, including members of all races, creeds, sex, and sexual orientation. This crew, like the crew aboard the USS Jimmy Carter, is specially trained to avoid conflicts and appease any and all enemies of the United States at all costs.
An onboard Type One DNC Universal Translator can send out messages of apology in any language to anyone who may find America offensive. The number of apologies are limitless and though some may sound hollow and disingenuous, the Navy advises all apologies will sound very sincere.
The ship’s purpose is not defined so much as a unit of national defense, but instead in times of conflict the USS Clinton has orders to seek refuge in Canada. The ship may be positioned near the Democratic National Party Headquarters for photo-ops and can be used extensively for social experimentation and whatever other worthless jobs, the ex-commander-in-chief and his wife can think of.
It is largely rumored that the ship will also be the set for the upcoming season of MTV’s “The Real World.”
The ship was renamed and commissioned USS William J Clinton when someone realized the USS Blowfish was already taken.
An interesting article on Carter and his failures!
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/.....llwell.DTL
The USS Reagan…
$25 million a day. Every dime borrowed from China.
Roger Rabbit said:
Whether the pardon was discussed as part of getting Nixon to resign will probably never be known. All the speculation about it is just that. Speculation.
Now, would President Ford have agreed in advance to pardon Nixon in order to get him to leave the Presidency and avoid putting the country through an impeachment and trial? Perhaps, and if that was the case, I won’t second guess him at this point. I still tend to doubt it, as I believe that he publicly stated that there was no advance deal.
He was, however, probably presented with some very convincing arguments for granting the pardon.
History (at that point) told us what a partisan mess would be made with an impeachment. Later, the Republicans somehow lost their history books, but that is another story.
ANTI-LIBERAL: RONALD REAGAN WAS THE SECOND WORST PRESIDENT WE’VE EVER HAD IN MY OPINION. HE DIVIDED THE AMERICAN PEOPLE LIKE NO OTHER MAN IN HISTORY.
CARTER AND CLINTON WERE NO GREAT SHAKES BUT A HELL OF A LOT BETTER THAN THE WORST TWO.
They used to say Ford was the only President to lose a war.
Now, he is only the first President to lose a war.
Roger Rabbit @53 says: 20 Furthermore, that “HAR HAR HAR” line is my fucking COPYRIGHTED tag line so keep your sticky fingers off it, you fucking Republican crook!
12/27/2006 at 1:28 pm
You mean like my TRADEMARKED ‘Nuff SAID! libtards WA state-wide love to steal from me?
Happy New Year librul moby troll donk moonbat libtards!
On topic: Gerry Ford was a good man. Twice All-American Football player. He was good enough to make the NFL! He received offers from two professional football teams, the Detroit Lions and the Green Bay Packers. How many libtards can claim that?
He was a full-time coach of the Yale football team while in law school. Ford earned his law degree in 1941, graduating in the top 25 percent of his class. Where in ranking did John Effin Kerry graduate law again?
Did you libtard moonbats know in 1963 President Lyndon Johnson appointed Ford to the Warren Commission investigating the assassination of President John F. Kennedy? Of course not. You be idiot moonbats.
Did you know Ford opposed President Johnson’s escalation of the Vietnam War when he was House Republican minority leader? Of course not you be idiot libtards!
History bore out his decision to pardon. Nixon. Sure Nixon was a skunk, but Nixon opened an avenue to China. Think of all those cheap chinese goods all over the libtard homes today. Most libtards couldn’t afford their VCRs, DVD players, surround sound systems if they were made in the USA. Isn’t that why jobs left moonbats? The middle class couldn’t afford the Zeniths and Magnavox systems when made in the US?
So why do libtards destroy a man after his death? It’s the libtard way!
Another thing to think about when you are dissing Ford libtards, when did the Church Commission occur? 1975! Ford had to deal with a lefty Congress and this idiot moonbat Church, erected the precursor to the Gorelick wall! Google it libtards. I know you can type!
Happy New Year librul moby troll donk moonbat libtards!
For the IDIOT who said Carter was the best president ever:
Afghanistan
Betrays the Shah fall & Iran goes fundy islam
Iran and Hostage Crisis
Oil & Gas prices escalate
Church guts the CIA
Panama Canal
Post Mortem on Carter Presidency – Read Alan Dershowitz in the Huffington Post. Yeah libtards, another good post skipped by Goldy because it doesn’t wash with his stances!
http://72.14.253.104/search?q=.....&cd=1
Hmmm… yeah, right!
@82
“73 What is chiefly memorable about the Reagan economy is …
a) The worst depression since the 1930s
b) The worst deficits of all time until Bush43
c) A drastic widening of the income gap between rich and poor
d) Record numbers of homeless people
e) Ruthless union-busting
Yep, Reagan fired the opening shots of the War Against the Middle Class.”
A) Reagan inherited Carters failed economic policy, turned the ship around and set the table for a massive peace time surge in the US economy.
B)Understood that the means to defeating our enemies was to out produce and build up our depleted military capablity. History bares this out as successful policy.
C)”
Median Household Incomes. Real median household income rose by $4,000 in the Reagan years–from $37,868 in 1981 to $42,049 in 1989, as shown in Figure 2. This improvement was a stark reversal of the income trends in the late 1970s and the 1990s: median family income was unchanged in the eight pre-Reagan years, and incomes have fallen by $1,438 in the anti-supply-side 1990s, following the 1990 and 1993 tax hikes. [14] Most of the declines in take-home pay occurred on George Bush’s watch. Under Bill Clinton’s tenure, there has been zero income growth in median household income.”
Also Reagan inherited 9.7% unemployment rate, which under his watch dropped to 5.5%
D)Media generated myth. Reagan cut the FAT out of HUD. But homelessness didn’t start with Reagan and end with clinton. This was a myth exagerated by the media. Why? Because Reagan was and is a very popular president, see his election results for proof. Check the US Census special reporting data. Good info on homelessness/transitional housing population.
E)As I stated earlier, Reagan fought communists on all fronts.
As for war on middle class. That statement is nothing more than a lib talking point. Economic history shows that the median income for all americans rose faster under Reagan than the two previos presidents and median income growth was near 0 in the Bush41/Clinton years.
@102
You are obviously refering to Kennedy. Right?
@91
Jimmy Carter is not a bad man, I didn’t say that the man hasn’t done good deeds in his life. I absolutely acknowledge that HH is a wonderful legacy. I simply comment on the history of his presidency and his comments about the USA and the office of the president and it’s current tenent.
Me: Prediction comes true again == YOS LIB BRO says:
Reagan – anti communist/socialist champion of USA
Carter – Castro wannabe
RIGHT STUFF: DIPSHIT LOSER. SEE NOV 7.
He only has two comments – Welsher pay you gambling debts and Nov 7. Anything else is too much for the single cell amoeba he calls his brain!
Mike Webb SUCKS says:
Me: Prediction comes true again == YOS LIB BRO says:
Reagan – anti communist/socialist champion of USA
Carter – Castro wannabe
RIGHT STUFF: DIPSHIT LOSER. SEE NOV 7.
He only has two comments – Welsher pay you gambling debts and Nov 7. Anything else is too much for the single cell amoeba he calls his brain!
And his keyboard is obviously stuck with the “caps lock” in the ON position.
proud leftist says: rhp @ 91 You hit the proverbial nail on the head. Jimmy Carter’s post-presidency has shown his integrity, foresight, and humanity. Reagan didn’t do a goddamned thing after being president but earn money. That may be why opinion polls now show Carter to be a more popular ex-president than Reagan. Funny how such things work. 12/27/2006 at 5:47 pm
I call Bullshittium (approved use by Puddybud) on this post.
June 1st 2006 Quinnipiac University Poll best president – Reagan 28% Clinton 25%. http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x19096.xml
Strong Democratic sentiment pushes President George W. Bush to the top of the list when American voters pick the worst U.S. President in the last 61 years. Bush is named by 34 percent of voters, followed by Richard Nixon at 17 percent and Bill Clinton at 16 percent
also found here: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories.....3345.shtml
YLB – Clueless it’s on CBS you STUUUUUUUUUUPIIIIIIIIIIIIIID Moonbat! Or as one poster called SEE BS!
MWS: I HAVE ANOTHER COMMENT FOR YOU.
MWS IS A LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSER!!!!
HEY MWS AND PUDDYBUD:
I HEARD A FUNNY TODAY.
CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE OF EVOLUTION:
KANSAS POLITICIANS SWITCHING FROM REPUBLICAN TO DEMOCRATIC.
YOU GUYS ARE SUCH LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSERS!!!!
HEY PUDDY:
YOU KNOW ABLE DANGER IS BULLSHIT, RIGHT? HERE’S THE LINK. NOW CRAZY CURT WELDON IS OUT ON HIS ASS. LIKE ATTRACTS LIKE. CRAZY CURT REELS IN CRAZY PUDDY.
NOW WHY YOU’RE STILL GOING ON ABOUT THE GORELICK WALL? THE INDIAN FIGHT SLADE GORTON SAID, “THERE WAS NO WALL”.
WHY DID HE SAY THAT? CUZ’ IT’S WINGNUT BOOOOOOOOOOOLSHIT! GORTON’S A WINGNUT BE HE’S SMART ENOUGH TO DRAW A LINE UNLIKE YOU LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSERS!
YOU AND MWS WILL SWALLOW ANY PILE OF CRAP COMING FROM THE RIGHT WING PROPAGANDA MACHINE BECAUSE YOU’RE ADDICTED TO IT. IT STIRS YOUR BLOOD LIKE DOPE DOES TO A DOPE FIEND.
Clueless@114: I am glad the charade is over. Just admit you are Yos Lib Bro and the game is over.
Lee Hamilton admitted Able Danger was real. Curt Weldon overstepped his facts.
http://www.cooperativeresearch.....sionadmits
Clueless: Even the NYT admitted it.
http://www.cooperativeresearch.....mesreveals
Puddybud: Thanks for dismissing the YLB-Clueless or… mindless one. Able Danger was real Clueless. For him to write something more than Nov 7 and Welsher pay your gambling debt must mean he bought a few more amoebas or some highly active paramecium. Anyway, we know he has issues with facts because facts hurt the librul mind!
Clueless: Chew on this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Able_Danger
Oh and Clueless if Able Danger didn’t exist why did the IG admit 2.5 terabytes of Able Danger data were destroyed?
http://www.milnet.com/archives.....Danger.pdf
You are so fucking clueless Clueless – YLB! Just write it for all of us. Here let me help you. “I, For the Clueless, am Fucking Clueless!”
Now that YLB-Clueless has his sorry ass handed to him by the FACTS; NEXT?
The New York Times notes that just a few days later, “Mr. Felzenberg said the uniformed officer who briefed two staff members in July 2004 had indeed mentioned Mr. Atta.” Hamilton, too, quickly “readjusted” his initial comments to admit that, indeed, the commissioners heard of Atta after all. Felzenberg acknowledged the commission had been briefed on this information but rejected the testimony of a uniformed officer on the grounds that his evidence did not match their preconceived timeline; it indicates Atta was active from February-April 2000, whereas the commission believed Atta entered the United States for the first time that June.
Preconceived timeline. Don’t let the facts interfere with preconceived timelines. Don’t let the facts affect the publication. Don’t let facts interfere with Lee Hamilton being on the talk show circuit or him being on the ISG and that scurrilous document that will sell out the Kurds per te Kurds themselves.
So I think something stinks here. It’s either a clintonite’s ass or a bushite’s ass being covered here and it stinks.
Gerald Ford,
Wasn’t he the guy who was falling down wherever he went?
Good riddance to bad rubbish.
If Goldy liked him it shows that he was bad.
I wonder if he is going to fall out of his coffin.
We never really saw what Ford could do, it was a shame.
Thanks for giving him the honor he deserves.
HERE’S THE FACTS:
In particular, Weldon and other officials have repeatedly claimed that the military analysts’ effort, known as Able Danger, produced a chart that included a picture of Atta and identified him as being tied to an Al Qaeda cell in Brooklyn, N.Y. Weldon has also said that the chart was shared with White House officials, including Stephen J. Hadley, then deputy national security advisor.
But after a 16-month investigation, the Intelligence Committee has concluded that those assertions are unfounded.
“Able Danger did not identify Mohammed Atta or any other 9/11 hijacker at any time prior to Sept. 11, 2001,” the committee determined, according to an eight-page letter sent last week to panel members by the top Republican and Democrat on the committee.
YOU GUYS JUST RECYCLED OLD BOOOLSHIT. TYPICAL FOR SUCH LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSERS!
NEXT!
I honor you Mr. Ford. May you rest in peace, and I thank you for your efforts trying to heal our land.
Clueless – You stupid Moonbat! You accept the fix? Of course, your guy Hamilton was a fixer. There can be no other “acceptable” response (or report) to the various government agencies. Preconceived timelines. And this is swallowed by Clueless of all persons, who claims the government lies everytime it opens it’s mouth! All the basic data was destroyed. They admit 2.5 TB was erased. Now everyone is gonna say I knew nothing!
MWS – IT CAN’T BE SAID SAID ENOUGH. YOU’RE A COMPLETE LOSER. THE L.A. TIMES ARTICLE JUST REPORTS THE CONCLUSION OF THE WINGNUT DOMINATED SENATE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE. HERE IT IS AGAIN FOR YOUR PUNY MIND.
THE REPUBLICAN SENATE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE SHOOTS DOWN ALL THE WINGNUT BULLSHIT. THERE WAS NO 9/11 HIJACKERS IDENTIFIED BY ABLE DANGER. SLADE GORTON SAID THERE WAS NO GORELICK WALL. HE ALSO SAID ABLE DANGER DIDN’T MEAN SQUAT.
ABLE DANGER IS COMPLETELY DEBUNKED WINGNUT FANTASY DESIGNED TO BLAME 9/11 ON BILL CLINTON. 9/11 HAPPENED ON BUSH’S WATCH. YOUR DEAR LEADER DIDN’T WANT WORRY HIS “BEAUTIFUL MIND” ABOUT OBL. IT’S A FACT.
THAT 2.5 TB OF DATA WAS RAW DATA COLLECTED FROM THE INTERNET. IT HAD THE VALUE OF POLICE OR CITIZEN BAND SCANS. IT DIDN’T MEAN SHIT EXCEPT TO LOSERS LIKE YOU.
YOU’RE SUCH A STUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUPID LOOOOOOOOOOSING WINGNUT, MWS!!!!
Ahhh yes Clueless: Your real colors are shining through. Anyone can sumit a report. How about all the speculation over the Warren Report on Kennedy’s assassination?
You said Able Danger was not real. You said it didn’t exist. Now when the 2.5 TB of data is admitted to now it’s real?
I would enjoy seeing the document from which the LA Times is selectively quoting and then compare the conclusions there with the declassified statements and testimony of the Able Danger officers.
I smell a politically motivated finesse job here. It would pay to carefully parse each and every conclusion in this report.
So you are saying sworn officers who defend our constitution and under oath are liars? Why do you believe anything coming from Wesley Clark’s mouth? Stupid Moonbat!