If only our government operated as efficiently as the private sector, I guess it wouldn’t know the name of its own legislators either.
The hit piece above, mailed to 41st LD voters (click through to see the whole piece), is not only dishonest in its message (far from criticizing her, the Seattle Times actually endorsed Rep. Marcie Maxwell), but it also stupidly names the wrong state senator. Of course that’s 41st LD state Sen. Randy Gordon’s picture, yet the mailer twice names 48th LD state Sen. Rodney Tom.
Adding to the irony is that the hit piece was paid for by Americans for Prosperity, New York billionaire David Koch’s far-right, ultra-conservative, faux-think-tank front group dedicated to privatizing Social Security… because, you know, the private sector is always more efficient than government. Or something.
Yup. These are the kinda folks I want handling my retirement account.
But then that’s just par for the course in this election isn’t it? An out-of-state billionaire funneling money through a secretive front group into a legislative race for chrisakes, against a local Democrat whose name he can’t even bother to learn. That’s American democracy for ya.
And here’s some Democrat spine for ya:
Democratic Senate campaign chief says party is open to temporary extension of Bush tax cuts for wealthy
By Chris Moody – The Daily Caller | Published: 11:30 AM 10/31/2010 | Updated: 8:54 PM 10/31/2010
Get ready for The Pain.
Susie Mandrake at crooksandliars http://crooksandliars.com/susi.....nts-way-yo penned the following letter to her US Rep.:
Per Susie, if you have a “centrist” Rep, feel free to copy the letter, or write a similar one.
I wonder if in King County there is a higher incidence of Republican ballots being excluded because “the signature doesn’t match exactly?”
Fortunately, Goldy, The One has been one step ahead of you for quite some time now:
Obama Meets With Buffett to Discuss Economy, Jobs
Jul 14, 2010 … July 14 (Bloomberg) — President Barack Obama met today with Berkshire Hathaway Inc.’s Warren Buffett to discuss the economy, …
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....04272.html
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@3: Trool (co-dependent idiot)
Maybe you should learn how to write your name in script and spell it correctly, then.
You probably stopped paying attention or going to school when they got to that part of the elementary school curriculum.
Gee, Bob sure sounds like Puddy. Another sock puppet for the off-target right wing shill?
Obama meets with Buffet is NOT the same as the KLoch brothers buying elections – except in the very small mind of a right wing excuse maker who shills for corporate interests.
Only a fool would eve try to make that analogy.
Social security works great. Like ALL things, from Microsoft to the U.S. Army, there’s always room to fix things, but it works pretty darn well. The only reason these folks want to “privatize” it is to steal the money. They want their “fees” for managing your account…they want private banks/corporations to suck up billions from these accounts. Just simple straight forward greed.
I’d consider this idea if this “movement” to privatize was coming from actual people, but I’m 41 years old and have NEVER meant an actual person in real life from Iowa to Seattle who really wants to get rid of social security and just replace it with ANOTHER IRA (which you can already buy if you want). No, this “movement” is 100% paid for by the banks and financial institutions that want to raid the social security system and skim their 5%-10% off the top (billions and billions and billions for them). Of course they’ll spend $50 million for the chance to make billions. It’s understandable and in their interest, but it’s in THEIR interest, not the citizens.
@6: Who’s Puddy?
Perhaps, then, I could have mentioned Ned Lamont. Or that guy who lost to Meek in the FL Senate primary. Or even Soros.
Bottom line, if billionaires are influencing elections (a point I will not argue), does it matter whether they’re called out by name, or not? Does it really? To quote Bob Schieffer: Is that the best you can do?
Find something else to whine about. You are about to have your ass handed to you because you deserve it, not because you are being outspent.
No Billionaire would spend 55 Billion in Debt just in October…the entire net worth of Bill Gates, pissed away!
How much is that gold plated 3 day trip to India costing the taxpayers. Anybody heard of a teleconference?
Yes it does “Bob” especially if they’re telling lies.
Don’t you believe in holding liars accountable?
And if it wasn’t such a big deal, the Senate would have let the Disclose act pass.
recreational war of choice to outshine daddy in Iraq costing the taxpayers?
@10:
The ‘Pants On Fire’ argument.
Left-wing implosion is complete.
12 – the ad hominem argument. The right wing eruption is complete.
Do you take your lies neat or with branch water Bob?
No they’d just keep it off the books and then pass a continuing resolution of some sort.
Business Boards of Directors LOVE the idea of privatizing social security. Why? Well it is quite common for folks to invest in stock funds rather than direct stock ownership. You as an owner of those stocks in say an index fund do not get the vote the shares you own. They get voted as the BOD sees fit. More power to the BOD and dillution of shareholder power. Geat setup, huh?
@8: If you could only hand my ass to me…instead you blithely ignore the actual facts that the large majority of corporate spending (in record amounts since the shameless Supreme court decision (thanks to Thomas, Scalia et al. and republican in the senate who filibustered the fix) is to untraceable and shadow republican groups headed by former NIXON lackeys is going to repuiblicans.
Either you are ignorant of this, or you are deliberately lying. In either case, you are clearly not making a cogent argument above the third grade level.
Oh yeah, these are some of the same guys who helped out NIXON before Watergate (Malek and Rove).
Here are the facts (and we only have some of them because the corporate contributors can hide their money now):
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http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10.....gewanted=2
@10 YLB
The Disclose Act failed for multiple reasons. There was unequal treatment of unions and corporations. It was written outside of committee and not subject to mark-ups It was introduced and voted on without a single hearing. Imagine if that had been done by the GOP, how much complaining there would be from the Left, yourself included I would imagine. From what I read there was thought given to stripping all out of it except the transparency part although that wasn’t done for some reason. Maybe because then things would be so transparent it would be readily apparent to all how much unions are spending to fund Dems. But that’s just a guess. You would have to ask Senator Reid, but you only have about two months to do it, so I would hurry were I you.
@12 YLB
When you are successful at eliminating or even substantially reducing ‘lies’ in campaign ads NOT funded by billionaires, let me know. It’s disingenuous to bitch about billionaire lies when the falsehoods perpetuated by both sides, both time-honored traditions, will continue regardless of any regulation of billionaire input that might occur. I do not believe hanging a tag ‘Pants On Fire’ to your whine about the ‘lies’ you complain about is ad hominem. It’s sarcasm directed at your willful ignorance of the inherent dishonesty present in so much of what we see, because you seem to find that dishonesty perpetuated by billionaires is just so much more objectionable than rank dishonesty perpetuated by, say, SEIU. Now, calling you willfully ignorant might be ad hominem, I admit. It depends on whether you are truly willfully ignorant, or if you are just naturally ignorant, I suppose.
The “government needs to operate more like private business” meme is getting stale – the Seattle Times used it again today in their story on bus drivers and other unionized government workers foregoing cost-of-living raises.
Private businesses exist to deliver profits to their owners and/or shareholders – if that’s how Conservatives (including the Seattle Times) want government to operate, they why are they against government increasing revenues? Doesn’t Wall Street love it when businesses report increased revenues?
The EFF has a new employee? Bob should be thankful for the minimum wage law.
Here’s some good raw data showing the reverse correlation between the sitting president’s popularity and the seats won by the opposing party. From pre WW2 to 2006 there were only two exceptions to the rule.
@YLB
Apologies for referring to you as ignorant. Just saw your blog site. You have the ability to cause some serious damage, and I don’t want to be a target, at least not for that.
About all the other stuff, my explanation of why the Disclose Act was so unpalatable to those on the right and the allegations of ‘lies’ by billionaires while making no mention of the ‘lies’ by everyone else, I stand pat.
@19
Double-edged sword there. I saw stuff like this written in another form over the weekend.
You provide statistical information pertaining to what will happen tomorrow that is NOT Obama’s fault.
An over/under, in other words.
Everything OVER those historical averages, it might follow, can and will be blamed on Obama.
“You provide statistical information pertaining to what will happen tomorrow that is NOT Obama’s fault”.
Come again? Obama is the sitting president. The correlation is tied to his popularity. His popularity is his ‘fault’.
Your reasoning is skewed by an apparent failure to process information.
Interesting. Grandstanding buffoon extraordinaire Alan Grayson blatantly lies about his opponent in a campaign ad, so Goldy immediately chastised him roundly, right?
Well… no. I seem to remember deafening silence from him on that.
Money spent on campaigns should come from local people who have a legitimate interest in them, right?
I guess the answer for Goldy on this one is… maybe. If he agrees with the political viewpoint of the doner, they can spend as and when they like. Unions can contribute millions unchallenged (of course these millions come from workers wages, who may or may not agree with the politics of how they are spent.) Goldy can call for Seattle area libs to donate to a campaign in Virginia or Minnesota or anywhere else. But heaven forbid a political viewpoint that doesn’t strictly align with his be represented!
It’s a darn good thing that all the hyypocrisy libs accuse conservatives of isn’t confined to the right. I was beginning to worry.
Roll these words over your tongues, liberals. Former Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi.
Because it can’t be said too often, here’s a Q&A on recent events from Jed Lewison (I’ve reformatted it to pair the answers with their questions, noted sources for the answers, and added emphasis):
Your reasoning is skewed by an apparent failure to process information.
Very nice line. It should be the only response anyone on the internet gives to a troll.
The reason so many Republicans are suspected of being gay is because when they try to stick their heads up their asses, they can’t find their own ass, and end up licking somebody else’s.
Well thanks “Bob”. My little project is to hold right wing liars accountable for the propaganda they spew in these comment threads.
Anyone with a smidgin’ of programming skill can do the same in any open political forum. Not all that hard to do.
If you’re honest, you have nothing to fear from someone like me.
Hell if you’re a shameless liar you have nothing to fear either. I don’t WANT TO KNOW who the freak you are. It’s depressing enough to know that people who don’t care a whit about being honest and solving problems exist in this world. To them it’s all about winning and carving out more for them and theirs.
And “Bob” you distorted what I said. I know lying and shading the truth happens in all sorts of political discourse. All I want to see is the promulgators stand out in the light of day. Another strike against you pal.
Enjoy your victory lap tomorrow “Bob”. Lincoln’s old adage will be born out yet again.
@27
If your project were to hold all ‘liars’ accountable for their propaganda, regardless of ideology, it would be laudable.
That’s not what you said. You’re out to get the right, while the left gets a pass from you.
The only thing I pointed out is that the money is greater coming from ilk such as SEIU/AFLCIO and other organized labor than it is from Billionaires for Bush and Co. And I could point out that the distortion and dishonesty from the former is as great as if not greater than that from the latter, but I could not prove that so I won’t make that point.
You went after the billionaires because you think transparency is important, and I have no doubt that you believe this to be true. When Dems considered reducing the Disclose Act to the issue of transparency and nothing else, so that they could get it through the Senate, instead they decided not to bring it to a floor vote again.
I wonder what it is about a bill mandating election funding transparency, and nothing else, that the Dems found objectionable? Unless it would expose more Leftist financing than was desirable, if they couldn’t injure the Right more than the Left in the process.
Any idea why the Dems dropped it? I got my account from thehill.com.
A fool and his money are soon elected.
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Will Rogers
Everything is changing. People are taking their comedians seriously and the politicians as a joke.
Will Rogers
It isn’t what we don’t know that gives us trouble, it’s what we know that ain’t so.
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If the Lord can see His way clear to bless the Republican Party the way it’s been carrying on, then the rest of us ought to get it without even asking.
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The difference between a Republican and a Democrat is the Democrat is a cannibal. They have to live off each other, while the Republicans, why, they live off the Democrats.
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Things ain’t what they used to be and never were.
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@17 “Bob”:
Umm, the disclose act did not fail because of “unequal disclosure” – because the unions already have to disclose all their contributions, unlike the corporate money that can be funneled to Karl Rove and other ex-Nixon bagman at will.
And your incredibly weak complaints about it being written outside of committee and not having anough time to read it…umm, it was publically available on the web – do your republican lackeys not have the “google”.
http://www.discloseact.com/
What a lying idiot you are!
It failed because republicans (and their corporate sponsors) threatened to filibuster it.
Are you just stoopid (and watching Faux News) or are you deliberately lying?
The liar says this:
show the proof!
First, the union money is traceable and thecorporate money is NOT. Thanks to your republican corporate lackeys.
Second your statement is demonstrably FALSE.
See the graph for 2010:
http://www.opensecrets.org/out...../index.php
Again, why are you lying?
28 – “Bob”, this is a liberal comment board where right wingers feel especially free to copy and paste propaganda from their favorite websites. Why not have fun at their expense? That’s all it is. They’re pretty much doing the same thing in the other direction.
You can assail the left all you want from your favorite right wing website. I separate fact from fiction all the time. I know what I believe to be true and I support that.
And I believe I know right wing bullshit when I see it. I like to call it out. That’s what I do from time to time. And that’s what that ad Goldy highlighted is all about. Gee a liar has to know what the truth is. A BULLSHITTER DOESN”T CARE! Bingo – there you have the core of what Goldy is pointing out!
So why don’t right wing billionaires and multi-millionaires want to stand by the garbage they put on the public airwaves? What are they afraid of “Bob”? If their motives were strictly patriotic why wouldn’t they just volunteer the information just like when some poor slob stands on a soapbox somewhere?
Try to distract from the ad all you want with a rant about the Senate Dems “Bob” – heaven knows they aren’t perfect.
You’ll fail every time with me and my friends here.
First non-white Speaker of the House John Boehner?
The DISCLOSE Act “failed” because Republicans voted in lockstep to oppose it (as they do with all Democratic legislation), so with Harry Reid voting against cloture to preserve his power to bring the bill to the floor again, the vote for cloture failed 57 to 41.
It will come to the floor again in the lame-duck session.
And far from an y concernas about unions, etc., no Republican will vote for this biull under ANY circumstances and we all know this. They are depending upon undiclosed donations to win.
Time for little “Bob” to run away after his lies have been thoroughly dissected and skewered.
Come on back little Bob when you actually have a point to make and not some obviously wrong propaganda to put out.
Still waiting for “Bob” to come and defend his lies….
The real question is: Why do Bob and the republicans want to hide corporate donations that can influence elections?
And why do Bob and republicans support anonymous donations and undue corporate influence on elections?
Bob?
Bob?
@30,35
I never claimed the Disclose Act wasn’t available to be read before voting. I read, and repeated, that it wasn’t brought up in committee so that amendments to modify could be offered, and that it was brought up for a vote without a hearing beforehand.
If any of that is a lie perhaps you can explain why that is. I always thought a lie was an intentional falsehood and do not think you can make a case for that in what I have posted. Of course, methinks a ‘lie’ to you is anything spoken or written by another that you would prefer not to hear.
I also pointed out that Dems gave consideration to stripping out from it all except the transparency language, but then decided not to bring that back to the floor and instead let the bill die. I questioned why they made that decision, if they thought they could get a GOP vote or two (they were gunning for the ME Senators) if they had done it, which would have given them 60 or 61. Any of you ask that question?
@32 It’s always nice to be amongst friends. Does wonders for groupthink.
I’m not thrilled about losing Feingold (all but a given) and Murray (flipacoin is the latest I read). Once you and your friends are done pointing out GOP obstructionism for not totally caving to your whims, look back to the time you had 60 in the Senate, House control, and the White House. Was what you accomplished worth it?
I’m not thrilled about losing Feingold (all but a given)
Amazing, and she is not even up for reelection; just staggering how that can happen. Oh wait, it is little Bob? Sorry.
The Dems never had sixty in the Senate, Squirt. Thirteen or fourteen of them are outright R’s. And then there’s Lieberman.
The House passed a ton of progressive bills. The unconstitutional system in the Senate killed them.
@39 Don’t forget to move the goalposts back to where they were when you’re done.
From your comments, then, I assume you were an enthusiastic supporter of Bill Frist when he was discussing his ‘constitutional option’ in ’05.
@39
better call 911, looks like we need waaaambulance.
fuck dude, the democrats win huge in 2008, then cant get anything done – and you have the gall to blame everything else but them.
wake up and smell some reality….the dumbass progressive voters drank the kook-aid and got played like the little children they are….
hows that obama smoke-n-mirrors-fancy-talk working out for you? You were told the guy and his lackies were a fraud, and now your mad because its come true.
smell the crow…smell it!
@41 Just a short while ago the Left was high-fiving themselves over their wit at coining the alternate meaning of the term ‘Santorum’.
Now there’s a run on the pharmacy for it in advance of the ass-pounding they’re about to take.
Laughing at the 30 Tea Party attendees in some small eastern TN gathering about 18 months ago didn’t help them. Screaming racism and getting Garofalo to blame it on angry white men didn’t work. Making up Teabonics didn’t help them. Starting their own Coffee Party didn’t help them, especially because the participants were more rabid than they accused the Tea Party attendees of being. The foreign money claim didn’t work – hell, even Schieffer called them on that. They spent three months trying to take down Angle, and all of that was undone in a single debate when Harry Reid opened his mouth and made her look every bit as senatorial as he. Their anointed one to take Obama’s seat personally approved huge loans to mobsters and his excuse was, hey, I knew they were bad, but I didn’t think it was Bad bad. They’re out of time. They’re desperate. They’re looking around for someone to blame and all they can see is each other.
Humor is in short supply around here.
They don’t need an ambulance. They need Kleenex, and Depends.
@42
They don’t need an ambulance. They need Kleenex, and Depends.
….and some maxi-pads.
Ahhh… The fantasies of right wingers..
and the misogyny. Nice bunch that wants to chart our country’s future.
See what happens when good people do nothing?
@44
in your case, a box of tampons for all the bleeding and crying you are going to be doing come Wednesday.
Myth: Tea Party is full of racists because only white people show up at their rallies.
Mythbuster: Did you happen to see the solid sea of white yuppies at the John Stewarts weekend rallies? Holy Shit Batman, not a minority in sight!..even in Seattle! lefty racist rallies?
@44 YLB
You said: See what happens when good people do nothing?
The reality: An awful lot of those ‘good people’ are still doing something. They’re just voting differently than they have in the past. Look at the poll data. GOP is just as solidly GOP. More of them, sure. But that will only swing a small number of districts, if it’s only increased GOP turnout.
What will take down the Dems this year is other Dems deserting them, and huge numbers of independents going red and going Big Red.
You blame those who do not vote, I surmise. You would not need nearly as many of them if you could hold the ones who are voting, but just aren’t up for being fooled again.
Obama claimed to be post-partisan. He’s anything but. Pelosi claimed to establish the most ethical Congress in history. Er, not so much.
The stimulus bill was stocked with too many giveaways to union labor, idiotic projects that didn’t create/save jobs, or projects that were nowhere close to being ‘shovel-ready’, as claimed. Then, rather than continuing to focus on the economy, Dems pivoted to reward their base by ramming down the throats of the objecting electorate a horribly flawed bill that almost none of them now are willing to take credit for having passed. Remind me again what date and what time the Senate vote took place for that?
Stupidity should be painful. Learn from it. Stop looking for others to blame.
Yawwnn. It is painful Bob, painful to read from the likes of you.
Are you a “Kochhead” Bob?
@48
1.2 out of 10
Gee and your friend mythbusters has a horror of female menstruation. Some OB/GYN he’d make.
I just love people on the right. You have to laugh at their mental maladies if not for crying.
marcie maxwell has the same glamor shot on her real estate website….its at least 7 years old.
Mythbusters: do you believe the stork delivered you to your parents?
@50
no worries…we are busy laughing at you anyway.
@52
no, it was a bald eagle.
do you believe a homeless whore and her pimp delivered you to your parents?
@48 Perhaps I should suggest you reconfigure your ’08 OFA kneepads to ’10 maxipads (@45) but that would be criticized as misogynistic, so I won’t, although it would be in keeping with the discourse.
Nope, I’m not. I think Goldy and Sharkansky do a service to the community, actually. I learn tons from both sides and learn more from the Left. The only Fox News stuff I see is forwarded to me by my dKos-reading nemesis who is probably further to the left than I am to the right.
YLB, your side is in trouble for a reason. They were given a gift, and it was wasted.
Pain is being called a racist for daring to have an opinion that differs from our president’s. Tomorrow is a little bit of retributive justice. People differed from GWB43, you may recall. It wasn’t racist back then. It was the highest form of patriotism, I believe.
YLB, you would have been far more impressive had you asked me why I will miss Feingold. Or why I like people like Phil Bredesen. Ahh, but work calls. Enjoy your afternoon and evening, learn from the events of tomorrow. Fare well.
Kneepads.. Hmmm. See the World Series Bob? Did 43 driving across the field of dreams with 41 make you tear up? If only we could return to the days of anyone with a pulse getting a mortgage, to the days when we showed the man on the street in Baghdad the what-what in Abu Ghraib, you know, pre-TARP.. Signed into law by whom?
dkos-reading nemesis?? Could that be Goldy? I think not but just the other day I noticed in a database search that foxnews is the one website Mr. Cynical links to most often that is when he isn’t pasting the good news from Scott Rasmussen around 700 times since 1/1/2009.
And nemesis??? How could that be Bob? What did Goldy or anyone else here do to you? Did we call you a racist for knee-jerking Obama as a muslim or born in Kenya or a “jigaboo? Yes I’ve seen all that here in the comment threads and not from any Obama supporter I could see.
Gee I’ve been called a racist here for the simply lambasting Dubya’s feckless abstinence policies. If those policies didn’t work in the South where Republicans are popular, I was a racist because African Americans still live there in some numbers.
I don’t care a whit about your supposed support for Feingold Bob – not after “ass-pounding” and other “painful” non-sequiturs you’ve propounded here.
Nasty piece work you are.
And on the right..
Thanks for making my point.
My nemesis: He’s a friend. Someone smarter than me, except when I’m smarter than him. First time I heard about Iran and 1953, I heard it from him.
Jesus, YLB, must everything in your world be hand-to-hand combat?
And, yeah, it was nice to see GWB43 fire one in there. Same way it was/is nice to see Obama sink a three. It’s good to have the feeling that one’s leader is healthy. It avoids the jokes that Cheney endured/endures due to his heart, and the negative imagery that befell Carter when he nearly collapsed while doing a 10K and had to be held on his feet by his Secret Service detail. Sue me.
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something that a person cannot conquer, achieve, etc.: The performance test proved to be my nemesis.
I’m not aware of any such jokes Bob but I’m aware of the joke that he can’t shoot straight – with not the best of consequences for the guy on the receiving end. Harry Whittington’s current condition is not very well known. And luckily his aim towards Iran was deflected by Condi Rice who thankfully had the ear of 43. The consequences of THAT would have been disastrous indeed.
Yes and those of the much more fit 41 not holding down the fine cuisine of Japan too well.
Oh and the second term of Raygun being guided in part by Astrology?
@59
Whittington was in the news a week or so ago. Cheney didn’t apologize or something. Didn’t skim beyond the headline.
Ah, yes. Bushusuru. ;)
And beyond that you digress. Not bitin’, sorry.
“We” – that “we” who don’t have the cojones to link to some remarks I supposedly made about southern blacks.
See Bob? Painful indeed. Let your friend mythbusters clue you in if you don’t get my drift.
@61 I’m sure Bill Clinton felt the same way after SC primaries in ’08. It doesn’t need to be explained to me, trust me.
62 – Not nearly in the same galaxy but I know not to expect all that much from you Bob.
Enjoy what you wish for tomorrow. And I do hope you get it.
I’m sorry I am not the mind-reader you apparently expect me to be, YLB.
that would be the “we” that constantly owns your unemployed, basement dwelling ass, you racist little twerp.
you got TEH DATABAZE, you look it up.
I know your type anyway: the good blacks are the ones that stay poor and keep their place by voting D. The uppity ones are the independent thinkers who dont need your big govt handouts and have seen through the charade and govt slavery that been perpetuated on them for the last 50 years.
the one and only racist YLBasement…he’s like our very own little yapping poodle…
Hey Bob – let’s count your lies then:
1. You lied about unions spending more then the coporate interests.
2. You either misunderstood or deliberately lied about the disclose act. First unions ALREADY have to disclose all their money contirbutions – so you cited a FALSE issue when you said that unions were not included in the act.
3. You lied when you said they did not have “time to read the act – it was available on the web. You are obfuscating th eissue when you said it did not go to committee – it did but amendments were excluded to prevent the republicans from screwing up the bill – a common practice.
Under all your rhetoric – you support unlimited funds from unknown corporations to pervert the poilitical system.
You disingenously blame democrats who did not have 60 votes to over come the republican led veto.
You lie, you confuse the issue and you argue incessantly for corporations and against real people.
I will admit that you are clever and a liar. But really, you support corporations over people – and that is your bottom line.
@47
the GOp has won the battle of the big lies. Democrats certaily are to blame becuase they could not hold a 60 vote majority in the Senate and too many weak democrats failed to pus the public option on health care.
In the meantime, the Rove-led coporate donors are pushing the budget deficit issue (you know, the deficit that Bush caused (the more than 1 trillion wasted in Iraq) and Rove said did not matter).
OPh, and they are lying about the health care bill saying it costs 1 trillion when it actually saves money.
Any idiot who thinks the insurance companies are a good thing for health care should have thier head examined. Our health should not be a for profit enterprise -period. No other civilized country on earth does that.