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Open thread

by Goldy — Thursday, 9/21/06, 10:52 am

It’ll probably be a light posting day for me as I have a busy schedule. At noon I’ll be moderating a panel discussion on initiative and judicial races before a meeting of the executive council of SEIU Local 925, and this evening I’ll be emceeing the Seattle Follies at Town Hall.

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  1. JDB spews:

    Thursday, 9/21/06 at 11:03 am

    How good is Bush doing on Homeland Security?

    Last week, we have a guy on crack (John Craig, were you in DC), drive up to the capital and run through its halls with a gun.

    And now this:

    Two teenagers Wednesday drove a stolen car onto the U.S. military base that commands much of the war on terror, triggering an investigation into the security breach, police and military officials said.

    http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/09/.....index.html

    Yep, Bush is doing just great on Homeland Security. Let’s home the terrorist don’t think about just driving on to our basis or up to the capitol.

  2. just sayin\' spews:

    Thursday, 9/21/06 at 11:09 am

    What is it with the SEIU? Is expanding government power at the expense of citizens’ rights REALLY the only thing they care about? I mean, sure, that does translate into more union dues, but you’d think they’d be more moderate in their approach. Right now, all they want in a justice is a fawning sycophant who’ll coo “OOOO, government lawyer, yes, yes, I’ll validate what you want, that [insert one or more: excessive tax,/pretext for condemning property/misleading ballot proposition language].” It’s just so shallow and contrary to the fundamental notion that at some point government should just leave people alone.

  3. Libertarian spews:

    Thursday, 9/21/06 at 11:10 am

    It’s shaping up to be a good year. My investments are up about 9% and my retirement accounts are closing in on 10%, on a yearly basis.

    The Fed is behaving fairly well, and it looks like the Republicans will lose control over one house of government in November. This is good because a government that is divided can do less harm. Once you have one party running the show, that’s when the trouble starts.

    That’s the theory, anyway.

  4. Doctor JCH Kennedy spews:

    Thursday, 9/21/06 at 11:38 am

    “Bush no good! Bush no good! Bush no good!”

    Comment by My Left Foot [……… “If we all convert to Islam, and say prayers in Muuuuuuuslim, the terrorists have assured me they will land the plane safely at JFK!” [Carl Grossman, Jewish Democrat]]

  5. Doctor JCH Kennedy spews:

    Thursday, 9/21/06 at 11:40 am

    The 16-year-old who was arrested early Wednesday after a police chase in which a law enforcement officer fired his gun at the fleeing driver’s vehicle faces deportation, Mecklenburg County Sheriff Jim Pendergraph says. Jorge Luis Marin, of Charlotte, was taken into custody early Wednesday morning after being captured on Maywood Drive, off The Plaza. He is charged with assault with a deadly weapon, possession of a stolen vehicle, possession of a firearm by a minor, carrying a concealed weapon, resisting arrest, and numerous traffic offenses.

    The only way to solve this problem is to vote–and vote Republican.

    This November go to the polls. Get your family and friends to the polls. Call your neighbors and get them to the polls.

    The Democrats want fully open borders–and they want us to lose in Iraq–just so they can have power.

    This election is critical. Vote.

  6. Doctor JCH Kennedy spews:

    Thursday, 9/21/06 at 11:41 am

    No ID: No vote! [Sorry, illegals!]

    One citizen, one vote! [Sorry, Detroit, Gary, Philly, and Cleveland!]

    Voter fraud: capital punishment [Sorry, Democrats in Milwaukee!]

    Not a citizen? No Vote! [Sorry, South Central LA!]

  7. Doctor JCH Kennedy spews:

    Thursday, 9/21/06 at 11:41 am

    “I did not defend my husband.”

    Teresa

    Commentby Mrs Left Foot […………Right!!! ROTFLMAO!! Perhaps you could sue everyone who makes fun of Carl! That should keep you busy!!]

  8. Doctor JCH Kennedy spews:

    Thursday, 9/21/06 at 11:44 am

    Hey Carl, How many other posters on HA.ORG have to get their wives to “protect” them on this web? hehe, JCH

  9. Doctor JCH Kennedy spews:

    Thursday, 9/21/06 at 11:46 am

    Wal-Mart, the nation’s largest retailer, said it would begin selling generic versions of widely prescribed drugs to its workers and customers at sharply reduced prices, a move that could force rival pharmacies to do the same.The giant discount chain, which has used its size to knock down the costs of toys, clothing and groceries, will sell 300 generic drugs for as low as $4 for a one-month supply. /break/ The drugs covered by the program treat common conditions like allergies, cholesterol, high blood pressure and diabetes.

    Take that Democrats and you union thugs. Millions of HAPPY Wal-Mart customers are ready to vote Republican!!!!

  10. Mrs Left Foot spews:

    Thursday, 9/21/06 at 12:02 pm

    Being on vacation this week I have more time to read HA.

    I was wondering something, and maybe one of the regulars can help me.

    Is JCH on crack or speed? Has he always stuttered this much? Just how obsessed is he with my husband? Any idea how old he is?

    Thanks,

    Teresa

  11. JDB spews:

    Thursday, 9/21/06 at 12:11 pm

    It’s syphilis. Sad that he won’t have it treated, but there is not much of his mind left now.

  12. americafirst spews:

    Thursday, 9/21/06 at 12:33 pm

    Hey Carl, How many other posters on HA.ORG have to get their wives to “protect” them on this web? hehe, JCH
    Commentby Doctor JCH Kennedy— 9/21/06@ 11:44 am
    ===================================================
    Be fair,JCH, Carl is probably pussy-whipped like most libs and can’t stop her.

  13. Doctor JCH Kennedy spews:

    Thursday, 9/21/06 at 12:40 pm

    Be fair,JCH, Carl is probably pussy-whipped like most libs and can’t stop her.

    Commentby americafirst […………………………………..Teresa, Is Carl a little “PWed”? Just “axing”……]

  14. Doctor JCH Kennedy spews:

    Thursday, 9/21/06 at 12:41 pm

    Carl and Teresa, Who are you going to threaten to sue today?

  15. Anonymous spews:

    Thursday, 9/21/06 at 12:48 pm

    JCH @ 5, 6, 7:

    Notice how all the things you are complaining about are happening on the Republican’s watch? And, getting worse by the day on their watch!

    Voting Republican only means getting more of the same failed government.

    If conservatism was really the great model of government you knuckle draggers think it is, you wouldn’t have to resort to fear mongering or shouting like a lunatic to remind people to vote for the Rubberstamping Republicans who are in lockstep with Bush.

    Your side is panicking and it shows. You dummies played the “Only Republicans can keep you safe” card one too many times and now your inability to resolve real world issues is about to bite you in the proverbial ass.

    RMAOTFLOL at you dorks.

  16. Libertarian spews:

    Thursday, 9/21/06 at 12:58 pm

    I’m kind of concerned about this guy Chavez from Veneuela (SP?). He seems like a nutcase to me. Could he be trouble?

  17. Anonymous spews:

    Thursday, 9/21/06 at 1:02 pm

    Mrs Left Foot @ 11:

    JCH is about 50. IF were to believe his claims of military service. However, that is highly suspect since he’s been caught out and out lying on this blog regarding his military service.

    Hey, JCH, tell Mrs Left Foot which version of your military service applies to you.

    A) You washed out of flight school, or
    B) I just made up all that shit about you and flight school.

    Don’t let JCH bother you. I’ve taken on the role of beating the crap out of him on the blog. JCH IS my blog bitch. I control him. In fact, people used to have meaningful, adult conversations with him until I exposed him for the lying son of a bitch that he is.

    JCH also suffers from LMS. Little Man Syndrome. By litlle I mean both in stature, maturity and, of cours, his teeny, tiny penis that he’s never used with a woman. JCH, your blow up doll doesn’t count. Or should I say your “rubber maid.”

    JCH was one of those whiny, snot nosed, kids that lacked self-esteem that you might have read about in that study earlier this year. Basically, they observed over decades of study that shitty little kids tend to grow up to be conservatives, while well adjusted, self assured kids tend to grow up to be Liberals.

    Sorry, JCH, but you just need to be exosed for what you are from time to time. Acutally, I’m not sorry and if I could care less about you, I would.

  18. americafirst spews:

    Thursday, 9/21/06 at 1:02 pm

    Moonbat Democrats have a new hero:
    ===============================

    NEW YORK — Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, appearing Thursday at a Harlem Church for an oil-for-poor event, repeated his ‘devil’ reference hurled a day earlier at President Bush during a speech at the United Nations.

    “They told me that I should be careful after I called him the devil — and I think he is the devil — because he might kill me” Chavez told a crowd packed into the Mount Olivet Baptist Church in Harlem. Source:
    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,214973,00.html

  19. Anonymous spews:

    Thursday, 9/21/06 at 1:08 pm

    @ 17:

    You should be afraid, very, very afraid if you plan on voting for Republicans. BOOOOOOOO!!! Boogie man’s gonna getcha!

    Otherwise, the only thing we have to fear is fear itself.

    See that’s the difference between Republicans and Democrats. Republicans are afraid of their own shadow and over react to small problems, whereas, Democrats are the self confident types that don’t dwell on fearful items of concern.

    That’s why Bush won’t talk to the Iranians, he’s afraid. Whereas people like President Clinton know they are strong, have nothing to fear, and can prove they have nothing to fear by engaging in dialouge with anyone.

    Only someone who is about to piss their pants won’t speak to the bully. Bush is about to piss himself.

  20. GBS spews:

    Thursday, 9/21/06 at 1:10 pm

    Sorry, I forgot to put in my name. Although, JCH knows who the fuck I am.

    GBS posted at 16, 18 20.

  21. Doctor JCH Kennedy spews:

    Thursday, 9/21/06 at 1:17 pm

    “Sorry, JCH, but you just need to be exosed” [GBS] […………………”exosed”? “Patya” Beach? E-3 GBS, back to mess cranking!!!!]

  22. Doctor JCH Kennedy spews:

    Thursday, 9/21/06 at 1:17 pm

    No ID: No vote! [Sorry, illegals!]

    One citizen, one vote! [Sorry, Detroit, Gary, Philly, and Cleveland!]

    Voter fraud: capital punishment [Sorry, Democrats in Milwaukee!]

    Not a citizen? No Vote! [Sorry, South Central LA!]

  23. GS spews:

    Thursday, 9/21/06 at 1:45 pm

    Mayor Numbnuts is about to dig his own waterfront view grave.

    And it better be wide enough for a few city council members and the queen.

    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

  24. Anonymous spews:

    Thursday, 9/21/06 at 1:48 pm

    C Chan
    M Colwell

    Are you a good neighbor or an ass?
    Do they like you?

  25. Anonymous spews:

    Thursday, 9/21/06 at 1:49 pm

    we already know you can’t answer, won’t answer.

  26. Commander Ogg spews:

    Thursday, 9/21/06 at 2:02 pm

    Doctor JCH (Just another Conservative Horses ass?), as close as you are to the Bush Administration, I imagine respect for the law does not interest you. Fortunately when it comes to the Republicans effort to keep black citizens from voting, the Courts keep telling them that this is a tisk, tisk, and a naughty, naughty:

    Voter ID law loses another round

    Judge says no to photo ID

    Of course my Republican friends in Congress, known to be both racist and stupid, continue to try bringing back the good old days of Jim Crow:

    House approves voter ID bill

    If I live a thousand years, I will never figure out why these crazy crackers keep passing laws that they know will be overturned by the Supremes.

  27. Doctor JCH Kennedy spews:

    Thursday, 9/21/06 at 2:18 pm

    No ID: No vote! [Sorry, illegals!]

    One citizen, one vote! [Sorry, Detroit, Gary, Philly, and Cleveland!]

    Voter fraud: capital punishment [Sorry, Democrats in Milwaukee!]

    Not a citizen? No Vote! [Sorry, South Central LA!]

  28. Doctor JCH Kennedy spews:

    Thursday, 9/21/06 at 2:22 pm

    A radio commercial for a local gun shop advises Houstonians to arm themselves against “Katricians,” adding to the growing tension between Houstonians and the Katrina evacuees who have been blamed for a rising crime rate.

    Gun shop owner and radio talk-show host Jim Pruett said today he started running the ad a few weeks ago after hearing a local television interview with a Katrina evacuee living in Houston who implied he would have to turn to crime if his government assistance ran out. [………..Just Democrats at play! No “guvment” check???……well, “MoFo”, Gives me your MoFo Wallet, MoFo!!”

  29. JDB spews:

    Thursday, 9/21/06 at 2:22 pm

    They’re Insane and Need To Be Locked Up

    But it’s the Bush Administration, so instead they get a promotion!

    NPR reports that the same bunch of dangerously incompetent lunatics who worked the Pentagon’s Iraq policy desk have been shuffled over to the Pentagon’s brand-new Iran policy desk.

    http://www.wonkette.com/politi.....202371.php

    Kids, let this be a leason for you, sometimes when you get something wrong, you shouldn’t just keep trying until you get things right.

  30. ArtFart spews:

    Thursday, 9/21/06 at 3:03 pm

    19 Chavez’s claim might put him in agreement with the late (and increasingly missed) John Paul II.

  31. ArtFart spews:

    Thursday, 9/21/06 at 3:04 pm

    31 Excuse me….John Paul thought Bush might be the Antichrist.

  32. Anonymous spews:

    Thursday, 9/21/06 at 3:33 pm

    Another Bush Conspiracy!
    Michael Medved was among a group of talk show hosts who visited President Bush for an off-the-record briefing last week, and on his TownHall.com blog he describes the meeting. He ends with this:

    Twice during his meandering conversation, the President deployed the word “nuclear.” Both times, he pronounced it flawlessly–as “new-clee-ar,” not “nuke-cule-ar.” Considering the huge press attention on the mis-pronounciation [sic] of this single word, nothing shocked me more about meeting the president than hearing him, in private conservation, avoid a mistake for which he’s become celebrated in public.

    If he can say “nu-clee-ar” in private, why does he still say, “nuke-cule-ar” when he speaks on camera? Could it be possible that there’s some mischievous intent here–that the President deliberately gives his own spin to the word just to provoke pompous pundits into paroxysms of supercilious rage? It seems like a far-fetched explanation, I’ll admit, but after seeing the President’s infectiously feisty mood this Friday, I wouldn’t put it past him.

    On the other hand, Sen. Maria Cantwell (look for the ad titled “Port” if the link doesn’t take you directly there) is just inarticulate.

    I guess talking is another thing maria can’t-do-too-well!

  33. Jack Burton spews:

    Thursday, 9/21/06 at 3:51 pm

    @ 27 How does showing an ID equate to being racist?

    If that’s the case ALL the banks in America are racist and so is any other business or government agency that ask for ID before providing services.

    This also means that ALL Law Enforcement Officers in America are racist as they routinely ask for ID from the people they deal with.

  34. CaughtInTheMiddle spews:

    Thursday, 9/21/06 at 4:04 pm

    I still don’t understand why insuring identification for voting is “racist”. It would be required for everybody.

    When I use a credit card I always thank the person for asking for proof of ID to insure it’s my card.

    I like this idea in voting as it helps insure my vote isn’t diluted by potential illegal voters.

  35. John Barelli spews:

    Thursday, 9/21/06 at 4:49 pm

    Commentby CaughtInTheMiddle— 9/21/06@ 4:04 pm

    “I still don’t understand why insuring identification for voting is “racist”. It would be required for everybody.

    When I use a credit card I always thank the person for asking for proof of ID to insure it’s my card.”

    The idea is not racist, but the implementation can be. Actually, not so much racist, as difficult for the poor and homeless. They are citizens too, and have a right to vote.

    That’s the other part of this question. You do not have a right to use a credit card. The Constitution does not guarantee your right to whip out the Discover Card. If you have poor credit or don’t have a stable address, you may not be able to get one, and that’s just the breaks.

    You have a right to vote. Neither the government, nor any individual may take that right except under the circumstances described in the Washington State Constitution.

    The US Constitution recognizes that the states run elections. Even for federal offices, what you are voting for is the person that the state will send to represent us.

    In Presidential elections, you are voting for the electors who will cast their votes in the electoral college, not for the actual candidate.

    There are ways of doing this that would probably pass constitutional muster. Some have been suggested, all have been rejected by the Republican majority in favor of methods that are more intrusive and more difficult for the poor, elderly and homeless. Oddly enough, these are the folks tend to vote Democrat.

    At this point we begin to suspect that the real goal here is not to prevent illegal votes (of which there seem to be very few) but to discourage legal votes from folks that traditionally vote Democrat.

    This is why we tend to be so suspicious of these attempts. It would be relatively easy to write rules that would address the issue of illegal voting, but would not discourage any legal voter. The Republicans choose not to do it that way.

    So we choose not to believe them when they tell us their goal is simply to reduce illegal voting.

  36. Mike Webb SUCKS spews:

    Thursday, 9/21/06 at 4:58 pm

    President Clinton know they are strong, have nothing to fear, and can prove they have nothing to fear by engaging in dialouge with anyone.

    Yes GBS, Clinton stopped North Korea alright! He sent Albright and Carter. That worked real well. NK was developing all during Clinton’s Admin. Clinton stopped Osama alright. Did you already forget Clinton’s 2002 speech on Long Island?

  37. headless lucy spews:

    Thursday, 9/21/06 at 5:09 pm

    re 2: You can be as alone as you want in America. Just ask the unabomber. If you wend your way into the New Jersey Pine Barrens no one will even bother to look for you. Go now!!!! And find your very own private briar patch!!!

    PUDDYBUD (Bre’r Rabbit)

  38. Mike Webb SUCKS spews:

    Thursday, 9/21/06 at 5:09 pm

    I have family in the DC area. This Virginia race is interesting between Jim Webb and George Allen. Writing now on more of Goldie’s ignorance to the left and how they hate Jews look at this:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/...../20/AR2006 092001965.html

    Henrietta “Etty” Allen said Wednesday that she concealed her upbringing as a Jew in North Africa from her children, including Sen. George Allen (R-Va.), until a conversation across the dining room table in late August.

    She said Allen asked her directly about his Jewish heritage when he was in Los Angeles for a fundraiser. “We sat across the table and he said, ‘Mom, there’s a rumor that Pop-pop and Mom-mom were Jewish and so were you,’ ” she recalled, a day after Allen issued a statement acknowledging and embracing his Jewish roots as he campaigns for a second term in the U.S. Senate.

    At the table in Palos Verdes, Calif., Allen’s mother, who is 83, said she told her son the truth: That she had been raised as a Jew in Tunisia before moving to the United States. She said that she and the senator’s father, famed former Redskins coach George Allen, had wanted to protect their children from living with the fear that she had experienced during World War II. Her father, Felix Lumbroso, was imprisoned by the Nazis during the German occupation of Tunis.

    “What they put my father through. I always was fearful,” Etty Allen said in a telephone interview. “I didn’t want my children to have to go through that fear all the time. When I told Georgie, I said, ‘Now you don’t love me anymore.’ He said, ‘Mom, I respect you more than ever.’ ”

    Now see the moonbats in action:

    “George Allen’s New Jew Revue” http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/41884/

    “They seriously want us to believe that Allen never knew why his grandfather was thrown in a concentration camp?” [actually, yes –.ed] http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/9/19/164828/708

    “[Allen has] something against Jews” http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/9/19/164828/708

    “[either] 1) he’s an anti-Jewish bigot, or 2) he’s afraid he’ll lose the bubba vote if people think he’s a Jew.” http://www.dailykos.com/storyo.....123120/518

    “George Allen has a nasty, sadistic, vicious, violent streak” http://www.raisingkaine.com/sh.....aryId=4573

    “What did [George Allen’s mother] tell her son all these years, that her father was imprisoned by the Nazis because he was gay or a gypsy?” http://americablog.blogspot.co.....her-didnt- bother.html

    I always thought DailyKos was a racist son-of-a-bitch and his kool-aid drinkers like Clueless, Tree Frog Farmer, Goldie, McCrainium, and other Furballettes here are Black, Hispanic and Jewish racists. Their own blogs prove it in their posts.

    You lib boys had an opportunity to bury Macacas as one idiot here called himself. Then there was Monkey Fest http://www.qando.net/Details.aspx?Entry=4544
    where lefties dressed as monkies to mimic black people speaking to Allen?

    Puddy is oh so right! Leftist loony tune libruls hate minorities!

    Oh So Clueless and other Moonbats: Using Kos to make a point will continue to paint you as a racist. Do you want the public to measure you for what you are or whom you associate with? Don’t use that arcane Air Force Academy issue against us because you have a KOS problem.

    Goldie, did you link this post back to Kos so he can see how thinking people view his worthless racism.

  39. Anonymous spews:

    Thursday, 9/21/06 at 5:15 pm

    This is about scaring the voting public and painting the GOP as “evil racists.” This is about keeping the status quo in order to better facilitate voter fraud. This is about liberal desperation.

    I guess it’s racist to have to present a short list of IDs at the bank to cash a check, too. *shrug*… or a welfare check…

    Somehow I doubt the truly homeless even know what year it is let alone who the hell is running in an election.

  40. John Barelli spews:

    Thursday, 9/21/06 at 5:15 pm

    Commentby Jack Burton— 9/21/06@ 3:51 pm

    “This also means that ALL Law Enforcement Officers in America are racist as they routinely ask for ID from the people they deal with.

    Well, two points here. If a Law Enforcement Officer asks for a driver’s license at a routine traffic stop, there is no issue. There is no constitutional right to drive a vehicle. If I’m driving, I can be required to produce a drivers license.

    My passenger cannot. He or she may do so voluntarily, upon request. Or not.

    There is no legal requirement that I carry identification on my person. So long as I’m not driving or participating in some activity that requires a license, I can tell the officer “no”. I will certainly ask the officer why he or she needs to see it before producing ID. Then I will decide whether or not to cooperate.

    Before the common answer of “and then he’ll teach YOU some manners” comes out, I would point out another few things.

    First, you’re assuming that a Law Enforcement Officer would deliberately violate my rights. Most of them are better than that.

    Next, for the few that might give in to temptation, many departments have started putting video cameras in the cars and making voice recordings of all stops. Good Officers don’t like having people lie about what happened, so they like the idea.

    Some Officers disliked the idea so much that they left law enforcement. Darn. Watch that door on your way out, fella.

    In essence, no. Asking politely for ID is not racist. Demanding that I provide ID to avail myself of my Constitutional Right to Vote may not be, depending on how it is done. So far, nobody has really tried to find a way that is not apparently a thinly disguised way of discouraging poor, elderly and homeless voters.

    But it could be done. It wouldn’t even be that hard. I wonder why the Republicans don’t do that, or at least take us up on some of the alternatives that have been suggested?

    Oh, and on a side note. Whatever happened to the folks that swore out (under penalty of perjury) the bogus claims about invalid voter registrations. Are they in jail yet?

  41. Mike Webb SUCKS spews:

    Thursday, 9/21/06 at 5:16 pm

    I guess talking is another thing maria can’t-do-too-well! Commentby Anonymous— 9/21/06@ 3:33 pm

    Maria Moonbat! is her name and stealing other congressional bills is her name!

    I named her Maria Moonbat! first but others can use it at will.

  42. Mike Webb SUCKS spews:

    Thursday, 9/21/06 at 5:20 pm

    John Barelli: In federal elections which law has precedence, local, state or federal?

    If you say federal, then which constitution has precedence, state or federal?

    Just two simple questions sir!

  43. John Barelli spews:

    Thursday, 9/21/06 at 5:25 pm

    Commentby Anonymous— 9/21/06@ 5:15 pm

    I guess you don’t actually read any of the responses to this topic.

    I also guess you don’t read through the alternatives that were proposed, but voted down in committee on a party-line vote.

    And from your comment, I guess that you’re pretty happy with the idea of disenfranchising the poor and homeless. After all, they must not know what they’re doing, because they vote against all your candidates.

    Let’s see. That bit in the Washington State Constitution about voting being a right really means that you can vote as long as you are a right-winger.

    Vote fraud is bad, but the right wing only seems to think that Democrat vote fraud (which seems to include poor folks voting) is bad. Swearing out false claims about “invalid” voter registrations is ok.

    Or did I miss it when those folks were arrested and convicted. Please, tell me that I missed that trial and the perpetrators are currently behind bars.

    No answer? Since that would also constitute “vote fraud” under any reasonable definition, it seems that the Republicans are ok with it, so long as it benefits them.

  44. Anonymous spews:

    Thursday, 9/21/06 at 5:39 pm

    Even Howard Hean won’t support Darcy!

  45. John Barelli spews:

    Thursday, 9/21/06 at 5:43 pm

    Commentby Mike Webb SUCKS— 9/21/06@ 5:20 pm

    Easy. Long settled law. The states run all elections. Period. You are welcome to speak to any Constitutional scholar on this. Your friendly lawyer will do fine, or stop by any American Government class on any junior college. Most of the students will be able to tell you how it works, assuming they have not slept through the class. (It can be dull stuff. I know, because I’ve taken the course.)

    “Federal” elections are actually internal state affairs, and this is recognized by the US Constitution.

    Senators and Representatives are elected at the state level, and sent to represent the state and the people of the state. The US Constitution sets out the requirements that these people must meet, but within those requirements, the state is paramount.

    Presidents are not elected by vote of the people. The people elect “electors” that vote in the Electoral College. Those electors answer to the state.

    The last time the federal government told the states to change something in their election laws, it took a Constitutional Amendment to do it. (Voting age to 18 – 26th Amendment.)

    It’s called “Federalism”.

    “The House of Representatives shall be composed of members chosen every second year by the people of the several states”

    “The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each state, elected by the people thereof“

  46. John Barelli spews:

    Thursday, 9/21/06 at 5:51 pm

    Oh, one last comment. The various federal laws and court cases about voting rights all refer back to the Constitution. Essentially, the federal Constitution is paramount, but within its restrictions, the states are supreme.

    Yes, it is confusing at times. The US Constitution guarantees certain rights to all citizens, and denies the states the ability to discriminate against its citizens. (Several amendments speak to this).

    Within those guidelines, the states are supreme. Only when there is a question that the state may have violated the US Constitution can the federal courts intervene.

    It is a weird system, with a lot of odd rules. The one thing it has going for it is that it is the best system anyone has ever managed to come up with.

  47. John Barelli spews:

    Thursday, 9/21/06 at 6:11 pm

    “Even Howard Hean won’t support Darcy!

    Commentby Anonymous— 9/21/06@ 5:39 pm

    Ok, exactly how did you get that from the linked NY Times story entitled “G.O.P. Gains Big Fund-Raising Advantage”?

    Did you actually read the story? It was pretty interesting, telling how the GOP central party coffers are full, so they’ll be sending out piles of money, while we don’t have that kind of money to throw around.

    Of course, our local fundraising has been doing better than the GOP, so we don’t need as much. Most of our money will go to “rebuilding state organizations across the country”.

    I presume you meant Howard Dean in your little comment, but I saw nothing there that indicated that he is not supporting Ms. Burner. You are welcome to contact his office, but I’m pretty sure he’s a Darcy fan. (If my assumption is wrong here, then please tell me why I should care who “Howard Hean” is supporting.)

    But don’t let little things like facts stop you from posting a happy headline, at least for the Republicans. Enjoy making comments that nobody will believe, but make you feel good. Smile, be happy.

    For now.

  48. americafirst spews:

    Thursday, 9/21/06 at 6:16 pm

    This is why we tend to be so suspicious of these attempts. It would be relatively easy to write rules that would address the issue of illegal voting, but would not discourage any legal voter. The Republicans choose not to do it that way.
    Commentby John Barelli— 9/21/06@ 4:49 pm
    ==============================================================
    “It would be relatively easy to write rules that would address the issue of illegal voting, but would not discourage any legal voter.”
    More lib bullshit. If it’s so easy to write them go ahead and tell us your proposed rules. Anything that you come up with will be laughable. Democrats want illegal votes.

  49. John Barelli spews:

    Thursday, 9/21/06 at 6:35 pm

    Commentby americafirst— 9/21/06@ 6:16 pm

    You mean the several amendments to HR 4844 that were voted down along party lines? Oh wait, they also contained additional penalties for interfering with a legitimate voter. Can’t have that. Someone might actually enforce those laws, then you couldn’t put in another bogus batch of registration challenges.

    Americafirst considers any Democrat vote to be illegal, and I’m beginning to think that if he could manage it, they would be. Only in that context does his statement make any sense.

    Republicans like americafirst just want to hold on to power. There are some honest Republicans still in the party. Americafirst and his buddies over at the Phalange would call these folks “RINOs”.

    And if you’re going to reply to any more of my posts in such an insulting manner, have the courage to put your own name on it. Cowards annoy me.

  50. Anonymous spews:

    Thursday, 9/21/06 at 6:52 pm

    john john john, that was SARCASM, interpretive license and innuendo (the kind golstein and his herd of asses like) taken from this bit in the article

    “The disparity is caused by the decision of the Democratic National Committee chairman, Howard Dean, to take a longer view of turning around the party by devoting most of the money he has raised to rebuilding state organizations across the country. Last week, the committee said it would provide $12 million to finance voter turnout efforts, only $2.6 million of which would be directed toward House campaigns, a point of bitter contention among Democrats and relief among Republicans.”

  51. americafirst spews:

    Thursday, 9/21/06 at 6:58 pm

    50.And if you’re going to reply to any more of my posts in such an insulting manner, have the courage to put your own name on it. Cowards annoy me.
    Commentby John Barelli— 9/21/06@ 6:35 pm
    ==================================================
    “It would be relatively easy to write rules that would address the issue of illegal voting, but would not discourage any legal voter.”
    I knew you couldn’t do it, John Barelli. As I said, just more lib bullshit.
    The comment wasn’t insulting, just challenging. As for using my real name, fuck you, I’ll use any name I like. You’re the one who makes statements he can’t back up; I find that cowardly and insulting.

  52. Doctor JCH Kennedy spews:

    Thursday, 9/21/06 at 9:37 pm

    No ID: No vote! [Sorry, Democrat illegals!]

    One citizen, one vote! [Sorry, Democrats Detroit, Gary, Philly, and Cleveland!]

    Voter fraud: capital punishment [Sorry, Democrats in Milwaukee!]

    Not a citizen? No Vote! [Sorry, Democrat South Central LA!]

  53. RightEqualsStupid spews:

    Thursday, 9/21/06 at 10:15 pm

    128 – number of Bush regime officials indicted or arrested SO FAR

    48 – number of Bush regime officials pleading guilty or being convicted SO FAR

    GOP = CROOK!

  54. John Barelli spews:

    Thursday, 9/21/06 at 11:00 pm

    Phalangist:

    From the Library of Congress

    DEMOCRATIC ALTERNATIVE

    Ranking Member Millender-McDonald offered a perfecting amendment in the Committee in the nature of a substitute to H.R. 4844, which was rejected by the Majority 4-3.

    If adopted, the amendment would have improved voter access to the polls, prevented election fraud, and supported election integrity. The amendment proposed to:

    (1) establish uniform standards for the treatment of provisional ballots;

    (2) create uniform standard for treatment of provisional ballots cast at incorrect polling places;

    (3) clarify criminal penalties for voter fraud under the HAVA;

    (4) codify a Federal Court decision that HAVA matching requirements are intended as an administrative safeguard, not as a restriction on voter eligibility; and

    (5) provide to the states additional fraud prevention methods.
    Congresswoman Lofgren offered an amendment that would have prevented H.R. 4844 from taking effect unless the EAC reports to Congress on the anticipated impact of the Act on voter participation, and the report concludes that implementation of H.R. 4844 will not disproportionately affect voter participation by the elderly, disabled and racial minorities. This amendment was also rejected 4-3.

    The Federal Elections Commission noted in its 1997 report to Congress that photo identification entails major expenses, both initially and in maintenance. Such a requirement also presents an undue and potentially discriminatory burden on citizens in exercising their basic right to vote.

    Partisan attempts to burden our Nation with troublesome proof of citizenship requirements are not the direction our Committee or the country should be heading. This Committee should focus on ensuring that all Americans, who are eligible to vote, are able to do so without having to wait for many long hours to cast a ballot. Further, this Committee should be concentrating on ways to ensure all Americans that their ballots will be fully accounted for, and their votes will be accurately counted. The Congress and this Committee should be addressing the real voter fraud issues, because electoral fraud perpetrated on Americans: voter intimidation, threats; misinformation, and other forms of voter suppression are still disenfranchising hundreds of thousands of American citizens today.

    The Republicans weren’t looking to prevent fraud, they were looking to disenfranchise people they thought might vote Democrat. They’re running scared, trying to get this through now because they know that their days are numbered.

    And all we need to do is wait. First, the Senate will likely kill this. If it doesn’t, then it will be challenged in the courts. It’s so obviously unconstitutional that I expect that even the far-right wingers on the Supreme Court won’t be able to bend the Constitution enough to let it go.

    At this point, I was going to include a long diatribe about you and your little Phalange friends, hiding in your basement. But you just aren’t worth the effort. Remember, boys. The eye holes on the sheets go in front.

    Coward.

  55. americafirst spews:

    Thursday, 9/21/06 at 11:51 pm

    55. This is why we tend to be so suspicious of these attempts. It would be relatively easy to write rules that would address the issue of illegal voting, but would not discourage any legal voter. The Republicans choose not to do it that way.
    Commentby John Barelli— 9/21/06@ 4:49 pm
    ==============================================================
    “It would be relatively easy to write rules that would address the issue of illegal voting, but would not discourage any legal voter.”
    More lib bullshit. If it’s so easy to write them go ahead and tell us your proposed rules. Anything that you come up with will be laughable. Democrats want illegal votes.
    Commentby americafirst— 9/21/06@ 6:16 pm
    ==================================================
    If adopted, the amendment would have improved voter access to the polls, prevented election fraud, and supported election integrity. The amendment proposed to:
    (1) establish uniform standards for the treatment of provisional ballots;
    (2) create uniform standard for treatment of provisional ballots cast at incorrect polling places;
    (3) clarify criminal penalties for voter fraud under the HAVA;
    (4) codify a Federal Court decision that HAVA matching requirements are intended as an administrative safeguard, not as a restriction on voter eligibility; and
    (5) provide to the states additional fraud prevention methods.
    Commentby John Barelli— 9/21/06@ 11:00 pm
    ===================================================
    Like I said, anything you come up with will be laughable. You quote general intentions rather than rules. Try to figure out the difference between intent and rule, dumbshit.

    I see why you post under your own name; you want people to feel sorry for you and not call you on your bullshit.

  56. Anonymous spews:

    Friday, 9/22/06 at 12:05 am

    how is it the poor, the homeless, the aged, the whatever can manage to have ID for welfare, meals on wheels, medicare, booze and cigarettes but can’t manage it for voting?

    im sick and tired of MY country passing out its “rights” to those who have NO RIGHT to them. If you want to participate step up and prove yourself eligible. If you can’t or refuse to the stay the hell home.

    you are wrong about the courts. GA voter ID is going to go to appeals and the court will overturn it.
    GA offered to go to the homes of ANYONE that called to process their FREE id cards.

    A state ID cost $6 fucking dollars in California… how much is a damned pack of cigarettes.

    It’s the lousy, cowardly, cheating liberals that run whining and screaming “UNFAIR” and “RACISM” to the most basic common sense things. It’s the damned bastard liberals that perpetuate class and race warfare pitting one against the other. Its the bastard liberals that keep citizens from succeeding. It’s the bastard liberals that kiss the ass of other bastards like chavez and castro.

    I want voter ID

    I want airport screening and I sure as hell want police profiling and INS deportation of the thieving fucks that are stealing my votes and stealing from my country.

  57. Doctor JCH Kennedy spews:

    Friday, 9/22/06 at 12:13 am

    Anonymous—[57] Outstanding post. Just outstanding. JCH

  58. jaybo spews:

    Friday, 9/22/06 at 6:36 am

    Why is it that the following rally was never covered by the mainstream media?

    Thursday, Sept. 21, 2006 5:32 p.m. EDT
    Pro-Israel Rally Virtually Ignored at U.N.
    The Associated Press, Reuters and many other news organizations reported that a few thousand people took part in a protest against the war in Iraq near the United Nations headquarters on Wednesday.

    But the mainstream media ignored another, much larger rally taking place outside the U.N., with an estimated 35,000 people expressing their support for Israel and condemning Iranian President Mamoud Ahmadinejad.
    The main speakers at the rally in Dag Hammerskold Plaza included U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. John Bolton, who told the cheering, flag-waving crowd that the Bush administration “would not hesitate” to pursue financial sanctions against Iran if it proceeds with its nuclear program.
    Noble laureate Elie Wiesel chastised the U.N. for welcoming Ahmadinejad, saying: “A man who brings shame to the world has no place anywhere. He must be excluded from all groups of international nations,” according to the New York Sun, one of only a handful of newspapers that gave the rally any coverage at all.
    New York Gov. George Pataki said: “We stand with those who defend freedom in every corner of this globe. We must stand with the free independent people of Israel.”

    Professor Alan Dershowitz discussed an indictment to be drafted against Iran and its leader, accusing Ahmadinejad of inciting genocide against the Jewish people.
    Also on hand was Diana Hagee, wife of Pastor John Hagee of San Antonio, Tex., founder of the advocacy group Christians United for Israel.

    Many in the crowd held signs demanding the release of three Israeli soldiers held hostage by Hezbollah and Hamas.

  59. Daddy Love spews:

    Friday, 9/22/06 at 6:49 am

    Anony @ 33

    So a group of right-wing sycophants CLAIM that in a private meeting the president does not make the stupid mistakes that we have all heard him make erpeatedly and consistently in public for over a decade. Sure thing.

  60. Daddy Love spews:

    Friday, 9/22/06 at 7:06 am

    57

    “im sick and tired of MY country passing out its “rights” to those who have NO RIGHT to them.”

    Poeple have rights that they have no right to? That’s just a very weird and internally inconsistent thought. Don’t tell me; let me guess. You’re Republican. Are you trying to claim that the right to vote is a right to which people have no right? Good job.

    The problems with voter ID ar mor or less plentiful. In striking down the Missouri law the judge said, “…for the elderly, the poor, the undereducated or otherwise disadvantaged, the burden can be great if not insurmountable.”

    In goergia the judge ruled that it disenfranchises citizens who are otherwise qualified to vote. Even though they changed the law to make IDs available without cost, the courts ruled the burden was still too high on the poor, elderly, disabled, and other disadvantaged people.

    It seems that there are almost no cases of voter fraud based on identity. The most rabid proponents have been unable to ever find more than handful, if that. Advocates of voter ID are perfectly happy to disenfranchise thousands of voters in the name of eliminating that questionable handful of cases, as long as the disenfranchised voters are Democrats.

    I think that reveals their motives rather plainly.

  61. Anonymous spews:

    Friday, 9/22/06 at 8:46 am

    COURT RULES FOR MEDICAID CITIZENSHIP REQUIREMENT

    “A federal court in Chicago upheld Department of Health and Human Services regulations requiring proof of American citizenship to receive Medicaid benefits. Fifteen plaintiffs, organized by the Washington, DC, advocacy group Families USA, brought the litigation, claiming the law violates the due-process clause of the Fifth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.”

    “The group’s director also stated that he believed the documentation requirements somehow endanger the Medicaid benefits of victims of natural disasters, the homeless and disabled persons. That contention was nothing more than conjecture, ruled U.S. District Judge Ronald Guzman, when the plaintiffs were unable to prove any injury from the regulation. The plaintiffs didn’t challenge the law requiring such proof, only the implementing regulation.”

    “As President Ronald Reagan once quipped, “Trust, but verify.” While we trust the Medicaid system to weed out unworthy recipients, merely verifying their identity is certainly a sensible step in the right direction.”

    NOW SUBSTITUTE THE WORD VOTE FOR MEDICAID… GET THE POINT?

  62. CaughtInTheMiddle spews:

    Friday, 9/22/06 at 8:49 am

    @36 on others:

    Thank you for not coming back as most on this blog do — like assholes. You present clear and distinct arguments for your beliefs.

    Is the glass half empty or half full? I think the idea of the reason for voter id is seen in pretty much the same way by the right and the left. You chose your way, I chose mine.

    The poor, elderly, etc. all seem to be able to identify themselves well enough when they need our(taxpayer)(government) help.

    You attribute sinister desires on those who want voter id. Those of us who want it are looking to uphold the validity of the vote as a right for US citizens. We are not looking to exclude any legal voter. I believe anybody who can make an informed vote can insure they have a way to identify themselves that insures those at the polls know the right person is voting.

  63. Anonymous spews:

    Friday, 9/22/06 at 8:51 am

    THIS IS A (ANOTHER) LOSING ITEM ON VERY LONG LIST OF LOSERS ON THE LIBERAL AGENDA.

    WITH THE EXPLOSION OF IDENTITY THEFT, WITH THE ADVENT OF BIOMETRICS IN THE MAINSTREAM (WE ALREADY OWN A LAPTOP THAT ONLY RECOGNIZES A FINGERPRINT TO LOG ON), WITH THE FLOOD OF ILLEGALS, IT’S ONLY A MATTER OF TIME….

  64. jaybo spews:

    Friday, 9/22/06 at 9:52 am

    More proof of the antsemitic nature of the mainstream press.

    Israel: Foreign reporters’ vehicles may be used terrorists Government Press Office director warns Shin Bet that armored vehicles used by foreign news agencies may serve hostile groups to carry out attacks against Israel
    Itamar Eichner; Published: 09.22.06, 09:23

    Armored vehicles that were given to foreign news agencies operating in the country with the authorization of the State of Israel, may be used by hostile groups to carry out terror attacks against Israel, Director of the Government Press Office Danny Seaman warned in a letter addressed to Shin Bet Head Yuval Diskin.
    On August 27 an Israel Defense Forces helicopter hit an armored vehicle that belonged to the Reuters news agency in Gaza. According to Seaman, the incident illustrated the failures in overseeing the use of armored vehicles granted to the foreign media agencies with the permission of the State.
    The vehicle’s presence in Gaza in itself constituted a violation of its license terms, and moreover, the jeep was carrying only Palestinians – one with links to Hamas who was not a Reuters employee.
    Licenses for armored vehicles are granted by the State to foreign news agencies in Israel for the purpose of carrying out journalistic missions in the West Bank and Gaza. The State has even agreed to extend the permits for more than the one year stipulated by the law, on the condition that the license holder is a foreign national and that he alone will drive the car.
    “To the best of our knowledge, all of the vehicles’ owners have been violating the conditions for a long time now, despite our requests. This is not the first time we are warning that these vehicles will be used by hostile agents to carry out a terror attack against Israel. The recent incident in Gaza only illustrates the danger,” Seaman wrote the Shin Bet chief.

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articl.....72,00.html

  65. GBS spews:

    Friday, 9/22/06 at 10:30 am

    @ 64:

    Explain nearly $10 TRILLON of national debt.

    Also, explain in detail how it’s going to be paid for? Considering that George W. Bush and the Rubberstamp Republicans voted to raise the national debt more times than all the presidents combined from George Washington to Bill Clinton.

    That includes the number of times the national debt limit was raised AND the total number of dollars borrowed.

    Go on, let’s see your brilliance.

  66. John Barelli spews:

    Friday, 9/22/06 at 11:00 am

    Commentby americafirst— 9/21/06@ 11:51 pm

    “Like I said, anything you come up with will be laughable. You quote general intentions rather than rules. Try to figure out the difference between intent and rule, dumbshit.

    Why I bother with you is beyond me, but let’s try one last time. Maybe someone that actually could do something about this is watching.

    You want me to come up with an acceptable way to show identity that would not be an impediment to legal voters, but would reduce the possibility of fraud and allow easier detection and prosecution of anyone attempting it. Ok, as I said, pretty easy.

    Add one additional method of identification. Sworn statement with thumbprint.

    It would be possible for someone to vote more than once under this method, but the photo id method does not prevent that either, as some folks do manage to get multiple photo ids. The advantage here is that if someone does vote more than once, the evidence is available, which would not be the case with a simple photo id check.

    It would actually be a bit more dangerous to vote using the sworn statement and thumbprint than using multiple ids, as it would leave an excellent evidence trail for prosecution.

    It costs the legitimate voters nothing other than a moment to wipe a bit of ink off their thumbs.

    In fact, after a bit of thought, perhaps we should simply use that method in favor of photo ids. Take a thumbprint at time of registration. As technology gets better, faster and cheaper, real time positive identification should become available at polling places.

    Remembering that with all the rhetoric that the Republicans are putting out, they have yet to show that fraudulent voting is a problem. That was the gist of the Democratic alternative that you dismissed so casually. Essentially, it contained a requirement that someone demonstrate that there was a problem.

    Of course, the real goal of the Republicans seems to be a law that reads something like:

    Voter Reliability Act

    1. All voters must register with and swear allegiance to a political party.

    2. Anyone registering with any party except the Republican party is guilty of a felony and subject to whatever time in prison is necessary for their re-education.

    a. As they have proven their unrelibility as voters by attempting to register as anything other than Republicans, their voting priviledges may not be restored.

    b. Children of people in this category may also not register or vote. If they are already registered to vote, that registration is immediately cancelled. All of that persons earlier votes will be immediately scrutinized for non-Republican tendancies.

    c. Grandchildren of people in this category may be permitted to register and vote upon successful completion of a political reliability course and the unanimous approval of the political reliability board. This permission is provisional, and may be revoked at any time, should any tendancy to vote in any manner other than the approved Republican way be observed by any Republican.

    3. Any person, registered as a Republican, that shows any tendancy to vote in a way that is not officially sanctioned by the Republican Party Leadership shall be deemed to be a “RINO”. This is punishable by death, and all immediate family members will be imprisoned and sterilized.

    That is the difference between intent and rule.

  67. Doctor JCH Kennedy spews:

    Friday, 9/22/06 at 2:10 pm

    One citizen: One vote [Sorry, Detroit!]

  68. GBS spews:

    Friday, 9/22/06 at 3:47 pm

    JCH casts his vote for bin Laden.

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