The cops are out in full force this Labor Day weekend looking for drunk drivers, so I suggest you follow Mike?™ McGavick’s example and just stay home, pull down the shades, pop open a 12-pack of Guinness and tune in to “The David Goldstein Show” on Newsradio 710-KIRO, tonight from 7PM to 10PM.
The lineup could change in response to breaking news, but here’s what I think I’ll be talking about tonight:
7PM: I was going to talk about Pastor Joe Fuiten and his efforts to evict a community of retired pastors, missionaries and lay people from the Cedar Springs Bible Camp. But apparently a peace offering has been made by Fuiten’s attorneys and I wouldn’t want to do anything to jeopardize a settlement that would allow the residents to live out their retirement in peace and security. So instead, I’ll just spend most of the hour slamming Mike?™ McGavick, who, as it turns out, may have a connection to the unfolding Alaska pipeline scandal.
8PM: Do I appease fascists? On Wednesday Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld compared critics of the war in Iraq to those who appeased Hitler, saying we suffer from “moral or intellectual confusion” for failing to recognize the rise of a “new type of fascism.” Hmm. I guess if anybody’s an expert on appeasing fascists, it’s Donald Rumsfeld.
Both Keith Olbermann and Frank Rich have spoken eloquently in response. I’ll attempt to stumble my way through a rebuttal too.
9PM: Sandeep Kaushik, spokesman for the No on I-920 campaign (and a Podcasting Liberally regular) joins me to talk about the initiative to repeal Washington’s estate tax, and what impact that might have on both the state and the nation. And you may not believe this, but it turns out I-920’s backers are shockingly selling the initiative with lies. Who’d a thunk?
Tune in tonight (or listen to the live stream) and give me a call: 1-877-710-KIRO (5476).
They sold the Anti-smoking initiative with lies, why not the anti-estate taxes initiative?
What does the “TM” in Mike stand for? Transcendental Meditation? With six lines of the finest African Ibogaine on a retro Betty Boop mirror and a half-drunk bottle of Johnny Walker Red?
Enjoy your weekend, “Redline Mike” – The Insurance Guy!!!!!!!!!!
They sold the Anti-smoking initiative with lies, why not the anti-estate taxes initiative?
They’re not the same “they” sgmmac. The “Birth Lottery Winners’ Tax Relief Initiative” is being pushed by professional liars, not amateurs.
Say, is that Saddam guy standing on a shoe box or is Rummy just short? Some say Rummy’s umbrella was deliberately cropped from this famous photo.
I wouldn’t be suprised.
Goldy asks : Do I appease fascists? Yes you do … You let all the Christofashist republican blow hards bloveat all day and night on your blog . So I would say yes you do …………………
What does the “TM” in Mike stand for? It stands for Tranny Mansex……. It’s a pretty common thing with republicans they usual wake up in a drunken stupor in a pile wanabee man culter transvestite escorts…..
:-/
Yamahas suck real men ride Suzuki’s………..
An Harly Davisons suck they leak more oil then a corroded Alaskan pipe line ……………
And the only one that can aford to buy one are yuppy 57 year old lawyers.
In keeping with Northwest tradition, somebody should introduce a “MIKE!” label MIKErobrew … so after a long day’s doorbelling we can kick back and really slam “MIKE!”.
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does this mean I have to give up my Billy Beer ?
I am makeing an awsume meat loaf!!!!!!!
http://www.ichef.com/
Real MEN can take care of them selves with out realying on some skirt…..
I guess everyone is passed out on Mikeikin High Life Beer :-/
That’s true I wish the Communist dictators of the past would start allowing freedoom of the press and free and fair election.
Im mostly upset at China then Cuba .
China is becoming a horrible Capitalist monster with no care at all about the working people and the poor .
They give Socialism a bad name ..
oops wrong blog sorry
Wow. There are rave reviews for the ABC mini series “A path to 911”. It is based on a true story which led up to 911. It airs on September 10 & 11th at 7:00pm CT. I hope everyone watches.
Answer…… Insurance Company reform
Oops my bad I meant Insurance deregulation
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You mean how Bush ignored 17 intelligent reports about terrorist flying planes in to sky scrapers Buttnutz?
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Watch and find out.
I thought when Rummy was talking about nazi appeasers in ww2.. I thought he was referring to W’s Grand Pappy Prescott Bush that was selling arms to Hitler threw out the war….
I don’t have cable Buttnutz and I can’t really pick up ch 4 on my rabbit ears….
Mabye some kind soul will post it to usenet ..
oh here a republican Christofashist documentery……….
This video starts innocently as the two ‘Christian’ presentators warn you that the endtimes
are coming because they see analogies with prophecies out of the book of Daniel.
Then things take a strange turn: Salivating they tell you that the AntiChrist is coming but
not to worry because this means that Jesus is coming next !
AND THEN (right near the end) THEY TELL YOU NOT TO WORRY ABOUT BEING CHIPPED AND JUST DO IT !
You do not mean to prevent the coming of the Lord by not cooperating with the New World Order,
don’t you ????
So… If you need samples of demonic possession, these two people are one of the strongest
cases I ever saw…
I think I will down load it just for giggles
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Well crash out at someone’s place that has TV and watch it.
Are you going to watch the “path to 911” Goldy?
You can find this video at the alt.binaries.multimedia.documentaries news group
If anyone else want’s a good laugh to night. :-)
Why are so hot for this show it is just going to remind people how bush after 5 years still hasn’t caught Bin Bin ladin…
It is not going to help you you no…….
Go watch the history channel and try to learn something for a change.
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It puts 911 in perspective. Watch it, you will learn something.
Demercrats are a bunch of pussy’s thats why I left and join the Socialist Party
Once again David Gold”ie” Goldstein forgets his history. We supported Saddam because we hated the Ayatollah of IRAN like he did. Remember the impotent one Jimmy Cahhhhrrrrrter? NUFF SAID
Come on Goldie, you can’t fool certain of us with history. Saddam was the enemy of our enemy.
I guess you support Bashar Assad because he told Kofi Annan he promises to stop arming Hezbollah!
Stupid fools you donks!
It must be some republicans neo con propaganda
Hey it is on ABC, a lefty friendly channel. It’s not like Fox is carrying it. What do you have to lose.
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Who is we kingosomee?
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I suppose you believed bush when he sead he was going to get osma bin ladin dead or alive…
IM so sure abc nbc cbs cnn and the rest are all owned bye the Military industrial complex you fool . That’s why you don’t get any real news
Go listen to the BBC or CBC for Christ sake you will be shocked at what the main stream media fails to report on..
I mean give me a break CBS just hired Katty Curic to ancore CBS eving news for christ sake ……
Buttnutz you should grab a 6 pack and go for an evening drive :-)
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Well there you go. All the more reason why you should watch “the path to 911”. You will be shocked at what the MSM failed to report. It sounds like this series is right down you alley.
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Yeah that would be the Kennedy in me. No girls to kill today though. hehe
you mean like the fact that bush was told over and over again the terrorists were wanting to fly planes in to sky scrapers?
Rufus- Bush was in charge when 9/11 happened. What was he doing to prevent it?
You mean like Iraq had nothing to do with 911?
And explain to me again why Iraq? Even Bush himself now says there was no link to 9/11. Yet it did distract from the hunt for Bin Laden, weaken our military and turn world opinion against us.
Buttnutz you know that Laura bush ran her boy friend over with her car when she was in her 20s
But you don’t here democrats bringing that up every 5 minutes because we have more class then that ……..
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/.....raq18.html
Bush said yesterday there was no attempt by the administration to try to confuse people about any link between Saddam and Sept. 11.
“No, we’ve had no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved with September the 11th,” Bush said.
Rufus- Bush was in charge when 9/11 happened. What was he doing to prevent it?
Commentby K— 9/3/06@ 9:17 pm
It shows the short comings of the Bush administration. Bush definitely made some errors in office leading up to 911 that is for sure. You should watch.
Buttnutz you know that Laura bush ran her boy friend over with her car when she was in her 20s
But you don’t here democrats bringing that up every 5 minutes because we have more class then that ……..
Commentby The Socialist— 9/3/06@ 9:20 pm
Your right.
Buttnutz you know that Laura bush ran her boy friend over with her car when she was in her 20s
But you don’t here democrats bringing that up every 5 minutes because we have more class then that ……..
it’s true you didn’t no that?
Rufus-
So when did you come to believe the “MSM” are a source of truth? When they spout your ideas? From what I heard, they blame Clinton, the only mantra you guys have left. My recollection is that the guys who bombed the WTC when Clinton was in office are in jail.
And where is Bin Laden?
Laura Bush: 1963, ran stop sign & killed boyfriend
Miscellaneous News Keywords: STRANGE
Source: AP
Published: 5/3/00 Author: JIM VERTUNO
Posted on 05/03/2000 16:12:46 PDT by Jethro Tull
Wednesday May 3 6:13 PM ET Report: Laura Bush in 1963 Car Wreck
Report: Laura Bush in 1963 Car Wreck
By JIM VERTUNO, Associated Press Writer
AUSTIN, Texas (AP) – At 17, Laura Bush ran a stop sign and crashed into another car, killing her boyfriend who was driving it, according to an accident report released to The Associated Press on Wednesday.
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Yes I have heard that. I am not arguing with you. Iam not saying it is true or not, it may very well be. The Kennedy schtick was fun for a while but it is getting old. I still have fun with. It’s republicans acting like dems that is all.
And the question is where do we go from here? The guys who got us into this are unwilling to consider they made mistakes. Remember the statement there were “tactical” errors in Iraq? This administration actually blamed the troops. They have demonstrated clear incompetance, from the initial rationale for entering Iraq, to their plan for conquest and post conquest governing to their reconstruction efforts.
Look at their record and tell me they deserve more time in charge.
P.Budfucker: “Come on Goldie, you can’t fool certain of us with history. Saddam was the enemy of our enemy.”
Why bother to fool a fool? Psst….Saddam was STILL the ememy of Iran in ’03, but don’t let the obvious shock you.
yeah its really old like Senator Bird belonged to the KKK yawn
Seniter Bird probibly was a founding father of the KKK for christ sake lol
I think we should raise property taxes to pay for the inhearitense tax
We gota help them poor rich folk out right buttnutz?
yeah its really old like Senator Bird belonged to the KKK yawn
Commentby The Socialist— 9/3/06@ 9:32 pm
You lefties have thin skin. If you bring up a couple facts from the past abut lefties and they get pissed. The left makes a movie about assisinating a sitting republican president and it is freedom of speech and artistic. Typical lefty.
They might have to down size to 3 mansions instead of 4 .
We can’t have that can we
Well anyways remember to watch “the path to 911” on Sept 10th and 11th.
Damned hate filled lefty morons…
“ So 17-year-old Laura Welch did cause the death of a friend by running a stop sign, but to see more in the story than that is to surrender oneself up to baseless imaginings. Yes, it is always easier to attribute malice to bad outcomes, but that does not mean malice is an integral component of tragedy, especially those involving people Fate later chooses to exalt. “
Claim: While a teenager, future First Lady Laura Bush caused the death of a classmate in a car accident.
And these hate-filled little pricklets think they should run the country.
that’s a british movie … Yeah I herd about that
It seems like the British aren’t very happy with bush
heheheheeee
I actually thought that was really to far … But what can you do there ferners…….
hey buttnutz started it
I mean, give {Give] me a break “.” CBS just hired Curic to ancore [anchor] CBS eving [evening] news for christ sake …… “.”
Commentby The Socialist [………..Billions for Democrat NEA run public schools, and please note the results.]
The police report indicates no charges were filed. That section of the report was left blank.
“As far as we know, no charges were filed,” said Midland city attorney Keith Stretcher. “I don’t think it’s unusual that charges weren’t filed.”
I droped out of school butnutz that why i can’t speel
:-)
Should someone post a link to what the swimmer did to Mary Jo. I think they should. Good ole Teddy.
“Cute” Katie
I don’t appease fascists. I bash ’em every time I post!
GOP = fascist
Fascist-bashing is fun — and patriotic, too!
GOP = unpatriotic
It’s funny how rich people never seam to get charged for anything thing
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Hey Socialist — are you Roger Rabbit in disguise?
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But do you kill like your fellow liberals like Haq. We know that Haq was a liberal because:
Haq’s friend said he couldn’t believe the timid, “geeky” man he knew from the tutoring center was capable of such violence.
“Are you sure we’re talking about the same person?” he said Sunday………….
He said Haq was not a devout Muslim and often complained that the Tri-Cities were too politically conservative.
“I’m beginning to think I was his only friend in the Tri-Cities. I don’t recall him hanging out with anybody else.”
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“Buttnutz you know that Laura bush ran her boy friend over with her car when she was in her 20s
But you don’t here democrats bringing that up every 5 minutes because we have more class then that ……..
Commentby The Socialist— 9/3/06@ 9:20 pm”
I can fix that problem right now. Laura Bush killed a guy when she was 17 — and she wasn’t even drinking! Which makes you wonder whether it was, you know, intentional?
I herd Ken Lay is even going to be found not responsible for enron now he is dead . So his estate will be off limits to law suits…
wow i thought she was in her 20’s egads that’s even worse :-)
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“The left makes a movie about assisinating a sitting republican president and it is freedom of speech and artistic. Typical lefty” Commentby RUFUS Fitzgerald Kennedy— 9/3/06@ 9:40 pm
Lefties? What wall did you peel that off? Sounds to me like these guys are just businessmen trying to make a buck. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/More4
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Haq is a fundie wingnut.
Rarebit Rodent is not a complete idiot — Some parts are missing.
Me @ 52 and 56- I continue to be disappointed but no longer surprised at our righty friends ubwilingness to actually engage on serious issues.
Their typical default is to their silly BS.
And so to bed………….
“Woman Who Filed Sex Suit Against Bush Dead
Clipped from a Yahoo board: 11-10-3
“Woman who filed sexual assault lawsuit against bush confirmed dead, cause of death listed as ‘gunshot wound to head’…
“I finally got some confirmation from an obit in the Houston Chronicle that Margie Schoedinger, the woman who filed a sexual assault lawsuit against Bush last year, died in September.
“I called the Harris County Medical Examiner’s office, which lists her cause of death as a ‘gunshot wound to the head’ and ‘suicide.’ Anyone versed in CIA/Mafia lingo knows that ‘suicide’ sometimes means ‘murder’ or at least carries with it some pressure to commit suicide by outside parties, such as those against whom that person has filed a lawsuit. I’m not yet saying this is a murder – you draw your own conclusion.
“When I talked to Schoedinger in July she sounded in good health. She was only 38. It’s another weird tragedy surrounding the Bush administration …
“Here is the info and link from the paper:
“Paper: Houston Chronicle
“Date: Saturday 09/27/03
“Section: A
“Edition: 3
… “MARGIE D. SCHOEDINGER expired Monday, 9/22/03 . Visitation: Friday, 9/26/03 , 7 to 9pm, McCoy & Harrison Chapel. Funeral Service: Saturday, 9/27/03 , 1:30pm, McCoy & Harrison Chapel. Interment, Houston Memorial Gardens. …
“Here are the two stories about the lawsuit which were widely circulated on the net:
“http://www.rense.com/general32/charged.htm
“http://www.rense.com/general32/bhh.htm”
Hey — I didn’t make this up, somebody else did: http://tinyurl.com/eh5rs
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Yeah the woman was a nut case, but so what? The story makes a good smear. Why should Republicans be the only ones to smear their opposition? We should do that, too! Always follow the Golden Rule, I say … which is: Do it to them before they get a chance to do it to you!
I can fix that problem right now. Laura Bush killed a guy when she was 17 – and she wasn’t even drinking! Which makes you wonder whether it was, you know, intentional?
Commentby Roger Rabbit— 9/3/06@ 9:55 pm
It wasnt like she left him to drown or anything…. geeeesh.
Day Two of my request for Goldie to link Haaretz and Jerusalem Post to ASSHeads so moonbats can receive unsanitized info of the middle east instead of the crap from MSM!
How about it Goldie?
Breaking news:
The crocodile hunter is dead. Apparently he got to close to a sting ray. Ouchhhhh!!!
The “path to 9/11” is wingnut propaganda.
The plane hit the towers on Bush’s watch. Bush was warned. He was too busy vacationing to bother worrying about bin Laden.
72 – Haq is a mentally ill baptized Christian – like DOOFUS.
No. 2 al-Qaida leader in Iraq arrested
By ELENA BECATOROS
The Associated Press
BAGHDAD, Iraq – Iraqi and coalition forces have arrested the second most senior figure in al-Qaida in Iraq, Iraq’s national security adviser announced on Sunday, saying the group now suffered from a “serious leadership crisis.”
Hamed Jumaa Farid al-Saeedi, known as Abu Humam or Abu Rana, was captured north of Baghdad a few days ago “along with another group of his aides and followers,” Mouwafak al-Rubaie said.
He was the second most important al-Qaida in Iraq leader after Abu Ayyub al-Masri, who took over the group after Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was killed by a U.S. air strike north of Baghdad on June 7, al-Rubaie said.
“We believe that al-Qaida in Iraq suffers from a serious leadership crisis. Our troops have dealt fatal and painful blows to this organization,” the security adviser said.
What!!!! This has to be a misprint. According to K Bush said that there was no link between Sadam and al-quida! Right K?
91 – Nice find DOOFUS. We’ll let you run with that for a while.
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72 – Haq is a mentally ill baptized Christian – like DOOFUS.
Commentby For the Clueless— 9/3/06@ 10:52 pm
Not exactly. He hated conservatives. The fact he killed Jews just futhers the argument that he indeed was a lefty.
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Maybe you should read the entire article K posted from the Seattle Times and get back to me. [/snicker]
Furball lies again: Haq is a fundie wingnut. Commentby Roger Rabbit— 9/3/06@ 10:13 pm
A fundie wingnut is not a muslim, and does not claim muslimism when he starts shooting. A crazed moonbat like the new white American Al Qaeda does though! I wonder if he was moonbat like John Lindh was (Marin County – Nancy Pelosiland).
Keep up the lie Furball. The Furballettes like reading your lies.
93 – Do lefties walk into a church, learn the Bible and get baptized?
Oh by the way, these righties Jew haters. They’re just not mentally-ill enough to kill any – yet.
Are those your peeps DOOFUS?
Oh Clueless: How do you explain John Walker Lindh – the original American Taliban? He was moonbat through and through. His parents are/were well heeled and well known Marin County Moonbats. They may have moved by now.
I wonder if Scott Peterson is/was moonbat? In prison he’s now the San Francisco treat! Kill your spouse to get the money. Sounds moonbattic to me!
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Only in lefty land can a muslimmmm who hates conservatives be considered a fundie wingnut. Of course it makes sense because everything else they say is lies.
94 – Tell you what DOOFUS, keep repeating that Preznit Shrub said there WAS a link between Saddam’s regime and al-Qaeda.
Repeat it over 60 times like the Haq story. Repeat it 1000 times if you like.
93 – Do lefties walk into a church, learn the Bible and get baptized?
Commentby For the Clueless— 9/3/06@ 11:02 pm
He probably couldn’t make up his mind if he was going to knock off a Jew or a Christian. Did he attend church often? We know he said he hated conservatives often.
94 – Tell you what DOOFUS, keep repeating that Preznit Shrub said there WAS a link between Saddam’s regime and al-Qaeda.
Repeat it over 60 times like the Haq story. Repeat it 1000 times if you like.
Commentby For the Clueless— 9/3/06@ 11:06 pm
No need to, you did it for me.
Clueless has left planet earth. Thanks for the link clueless. I guess you only read the first five paragraphs. Good enough for me, he defended Reagan.
The cannonball head is a jew and christian hater. Sounds to me he’s related to Goldie! Sounds to me his moonbat!
Wecan’ttakeyouseriouslywhenyouareamoonbat=clueless
WOS – I can explain Lindh easily – hold up a mirror.
Just like some people become Moonies and some become Scientologists and some become Wahabists –
Some people become wingnuts. I hear the entry drug is Limbaugh.
No. 2 al-Qaida leader in Iraq arrested
Commentby RUFUS Fitzgerald Kennedy— 9/3/06@ 10:53 pm
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Bin-Laden might have to give up his volunteer work as a speech writer for the Democrats while he searches for a replacement.
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No, she just flattened him with her car.
Tell you what WOS – change your name to Goldman, enter the air-force academy and see how long it takes for someone to ask you why you killed Jesus Christ.
WOS – lame and insane.
No need to, you did it for me.
I knew it. You’re hearing voices. Take your risperdal DOOFUS.
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You know — he’s road pizza … like this: http://tinyurl.com/s736f
HEY REDNECK!!! Stick THIS in your ear!!!
“WASHINGTON – The federal deficit appears on track to register less than $300 billion for the budget year ending Sept. 30, as … tax collections are surging … reflecting … strong growth in taxes paid on corporate profits and income taxes paid by wealthier people ….” http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13758782/
(Since you’re too fucking lazy to read a newspaper, watch TV, or do your own fucking research, I decided to shove this article up your ass where it belongs.)
So clueless are you “men in white coats too”? Telling people to take drugs again? Interesting.
I knew it. You’re hearing voices. Take your risperdal DOOFUS. Commentby For the Clueless— 9/3/06@ 11:13 pm
Oh by the way WOS and DOOFUS those Jew haters at the Air Force Academy are fundie wingnuts.
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You can tell by look at the swarmy punk he is a liberal. The
truth keeps on pouring in on the left.
Oh by the way WOS and DOOFUS those Jew haters at the Air Force Academy are fundie wingnuts.
Commentby For the Clueless— 9/3/06@ 11:21 pm
So what you are saying is that Jew haters on the right, if any, call Jews names while on the left they kill them. Thanks for shedding light on that.
Furball placed this: “strong growth in taxes paid on corporate profits and income taxes paid by wealthier people ….” http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13758782/ (Since you’re too fucking lazy to read a newspaper, watch TV, or do your own fucking research, I decided to shove this article up your ass where it belongs.)
Wasn’t it moonbats who said it was tax breaks for the rich? Wasn’t it moonbats who said it was corporate welfare?
WTF? It looks like Furball contradicted the lemmings frogmarch! Richa nd corporations are paying their fair share after all!
117 – if any? Nice try Doofus. They exist. They’re being sued by Weinstein.
And they’re your peeps! Give ’em a high five next time you’re in CO Springs.
RUFUS: This is like going to the Evergreen Fair and shooting the water gun at the clown face hole. Watch the moonbats heads blow up and BLAM they explode!
Clueless: I visit Co Sp every so often. I’ll tell them you send regards!
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HEY GASBAG! YEAH YOU — REDNECK WELSHER GASBAG!! In case you have trouble understanding what this news story signifies, here’s some illuminating analysis from a REAL ECONOMIST (as opposed to a wingnut ignoramus like you who pulls shit out of his ass):
“July 17, 2006
“Income Redistribution and Tax Revenue
“If Dooh Nibor, the reverse Robin Hood of the Second Gilded Age, uses his political and economic powers to take a dollar from the poor and give it to the rich, what happens to tax revenue in a progressive tax system? Greg Ip and Deborah Solomon look at the recent increase in tax revenues and note that while tax revenues and output both exceeded projections, the amount that output growth exceeded projections was small. This implies the unexpected increase in tax revenue is largely a compositional effect rather than a consequence of higher than expected economic growth:
“As Bigger Piece of Economic Pie Shifts To Wealthiest, U.S. Deficit Heads Downward, by Greg Ip and Deborah Solomon:
“In announcing a big drop in its estimate of this year’s federal budget deficit, the Bush administration was quick to credit itself. ‘Tax cuts worked to generate economic growth, and economic growth is now working to raise revenues,’ White House budget director Rob Portman said …(.) But this explanation falls short. While tax revenue is growing far faster than the Bush administration forecast …, the nation’s economy isn’t. What has changed isn’t the size of the economy, but how the economic pie is divided.
“The share of national income going to corporations and the wealthiest individuals, already large, has expanded, while the share going to typical wage earners has shrunk. Because corporations and the wealthy generally pay income tax at higher rates than does the typical wage earner, that shift benefits the federal Treasury.
“U.S. tax revenue for fiscal 2006 … is expected to be 5% — or $115 billion — higher, than the administration projected in February. Largely as a result, the budget deficit is expected to be $296 billion this year, instead of $423 billion. But total economic output is expected to be just 1% larger, before adjusting for inflation …. After adjusting for inflation, it is projected to be just 0.1% larger. … So, the tax windfall is another piece of evidence that income inequality in the U.S. continues to grow ….
“Rudolph Penner, a senior fellow at … a Washington think tank, and a CBO director picked by Republicans in the 1980s, says a supply-side effect ‘doesn’t come close to explaining the revenue surge.’ … He notes the administration itself puts the tax cuts’ maximum supply-side boost at just 0.7% of GDP, stretched over many years. Mr. Penner says the revenue surge reflects not a supply-side effect but a replay of the late 1990s, when the 1% of richest taxpayers prospered most ….”
“Update: Gene Sperling has more on the lack of evidence for supply-side claims:
“Inconvenient Facts and Bush’s Supply-Side Boast, by Gene Sperling, Bloomberg:
“… Judging from the White House’s recent economic bragging, when it comes to their tax cuts, only positive news can be allowed into evidence. They are like the student who wants to throw out all of his bad tests scores and be graded only on occasional shows of improvement. … [I]t is hard to swallow the Bush White House’s assertions of direct causation between their tax cuts and any improvement in economic projection.
“You just can’t ignore the fact that this recovery shows the worst job creation on record and that when you look at the complete recovery — as opposed to its best couple of years — growth and investment have been weak. It is also hard to ignore that since the 2001 tax cuts were passed, median family income declined every single year, and since the 2003 tax cuts were passed, typical hourly and weekly wages fell in real terms.
“Finally, there is the 2006 deficit, which the administration initially projected at a $500 billion surplus. It now will be a $300 billion deficit. In other words, the Bush White House is celebrating an $800 billion deterioration. (Even in 2002 — after factoring in the tax cut, the aftermath of recession and Sept. 11 — the administration still projected a $127 billion surplus for 2006.)
“But we are instructed to ignore all these disappointing facts and focus only on how much revenues have improved over recent projections. Yet, … Revenues over the last several years have been dramatically lower than what the Bush administration projected when it took office in 2001. … In total, revenues between 2003 and 2006 fell short of the 2001 forecast by $1.8 trillion. …”
(These articles are quoted under the Fair Use doctrine; for complete stories and/or copyright info, see http://tinyurl.com/kp4dt
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Did you catch all of that, Gasbag? Let’s summarize:
1) A Reagan administration supply-sider says “a supply-side effect ‘doesn’t come close to explaining the revenue surge’ and says “the revenue surge reflects not a supply-side effect” but more of the nation’s income going to “the 1% of richest taxpayers.”
2) This recovery “shows the worst job creation on record” and “weak” growth and investment.
3) Since Bush’s 2001 tax cuts, “median family income (has)declined every single year” and since the 2003 tax cuts “typical hourly and weekly wages fell in real terms.”
4) The Bush administration sold its tax cuts by predicting a $500 billion surplus in 2006, and is now celebrating because the deficit is “only” $300 billion — in other words, they were off by 800 HUNDRED FUCKING BILLION DOLLARS!!!
5) Actual revenues for 2003 to 2006 are 1.8 FUCKING TRILLION DOLLARS LESS than what Bush and his lackeys predicted.
Any questions? I have a question, Gasbag … which community college did you say you got your four degrees from? (I want to look into their accreditation.)
Redneck just got skewered by a 12 3/8-lb. rabbit! For picture of Redneck, click here: http://tinyurl.com/ltmor
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MWS is another wingnut who seems confused, not only by what it all means, but as to what I said. God, can I ask a question? Why did You make wingnuts so stoopid? Are they what came off Your assembly line after You ran out of brains?
Adam Gadahn [Pearlman] was moonbat: http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=239727
Gadahn was born Adam Pearlman, the son of 1960s psychedelic musician Phil Pearlman[………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………….Could be related to Carl Grossman!!!!]
I work the graveyard shift, and it’s time for me to hop up the hill to eat Stefan’s garden and shit on his lawn! Later, trollfuck traitors! I’ll see you when I see you — unless they hang you first!
RUFUS
Hey, is that an acronym? ANyway:
“There are rave reviews for the ABC mini series “A path to 911″.”
Funny, that’s not what I’m hearing. I’m hearing that it’s a cheap hit job that kisses Bush’s ass while blaming Clinton for 9/11, and that it represents ABC trying to influence the fall election with questionable GOP propaganda. No wonder you’re looking forward to it.
RUFUS @ 90
“Iraqi and coalition forces have arrested the second most senior figure in al-Qaida in Iraq”
Again? How many times are they going to catch the “#2 man?”
I won’t bother explaining the history of Saddam’s contacts and lack of operational cooperation with al Qaeda, as it was covered by both the media (not abnough, apparently) and the 9/11 commission, of teh history of the group Montheism and Jihad, called “Al Qaida in Iraq” by the American media, and the lack of operational cooperation between Osma’s al Qaeda and them.
But OF COURSE Bush and his people hyped a connection between Saddam and Osama. Where the fuck else did half of Americans get the idea?
Sheldon Rampton explains a few of the problems with “Path to 9/11”:
http://www.firedoglake.com/200.....cking-911/
On the previous thread:
Tuttle – Glad you’re here. Here’s one of your best:
“This most recent round of tax cuts will continue to explode the deficit by giving away over $900 Billion to the super-rich over the next ten years. [4/5/06 NYTimes]
Commentby Harry Tuttle aka Voter Advocate— 4/24/06@ 5:17 pm
Commentby Mark The Redneck KENNEDY— 9/3/06@ 12:49 pm
I’m glad you liked it, MTR, though I had to look to see what the context of the post was. It turned out to be a “press release” from Billionaires for Bush that I posted in toto. That makes it a quote within a quote.
One could go to tbe Brookings Institute paper for the original analysis, but the following source should suffice:
http://www.cbpp.org/2-6-06bud.htm
Tax cuts for high-income households account for a large share of these sizeable tax-cut costs. Analysis by the Urban Institute-Brookings Institution Tax Policy Center shows that when fully in effect, the tax cuts enacted in 2001 and 2003 (including AMT relief) will provide an average tax cut of $650 for the middle fifth of households, but of $136,000 for people who make over $1 million a year. (These figures are in 2004 dollars.) The tax cuts, if made permanent, would provide an estimated $900 billion in tax cuts over the next ten years to the top one percent of households, with more than $600 billion of this amount going to the 0.2 percent of households that make over $1 million a year.
But the tax cut is only part of the picture:
The richest 10% of all taxpaying households in the U.S. saw their share of total annual income rise from 33% in 1970 to 48% by 2000—a gain of 15%. Conversely, the remaining 90% of the approximately 134 million taxpayers saw their share of national income each year decline by the same 15%–from 67% to 52%.
Fifteen percent may seem like a small number, but when it is 15% of a $6.2 trillion annual U.S. economy it amounts to approximately $900 billion a year. Had the 15% shift not occurred, each of the approximately 100 million working class Americans who make their living almost exclusively from hourly wages today would be getting $9,000 more in their paychecks this year.
Even more noteworthy is that the 15% / $900 billion is not divided proportionately among the richest 10% taxpayers. The richest 90-95% (the bottom half of the richest 10%) realized no increase in their share of national income from 1973 to 2000, according to the US Census Bureau. Although their incomes rose substantially over the period, their share of the total income pie was still flat.
Remember when Kerry and the dems constantly told us that we had to work with our european allies?
I wonder if this is what they had in mind…..
Last update – 17:01 04/09/2006
Europe nixes landing rights for El Al planes with IDF cargo
By Zohar Blumenkrantz, Haaretz Correspondent
A number of European states are refusing to allow El Al cargo planes carrying Israel Defense Forces equipment from stopover landings in their airports.
The refusal came from states considered friendly with Israel, including Britain, Germany and Italy, according to Captain Etai Regev, the chairman of El Al’s pilots’ union.
Regev sent a letter of complaint on the matter to Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and to the Defense Ministry, the Finance Ministry, and the Tourism Ministry.
According to Regev, El Al flights bearing heavy loads that arrive from U.S. bases “are not given approval by European states to make stopover landings for refueling, for political reasons.
“As a result, cargo planes are taking off from the U.S. with much lighter weight, and are reaching Israel with significantly fewer munitions than needed.”
Regev called this “a substantial blow to state defense.”
In his letter, Regev complained about the government’s decision last month to allow Italy’s flag carrier, Alitalia, to fly Israeli state employees abroad for the first time.
“Israel’s response to this is the transfer of labor to Italian pilots at the cost of Israeli pilots,” he wrote.
Tuttle – Obviously you’re too fucking stoopid to understand what I meant… Geez, you’re so fucking stoopid you don’t even know how fucking stoopid you are…
How the fuck does government “give” anything to wealthy people? Tell me the name of the department(s) that wrote $900B in checks to wealthy people.
There aren’t any you fucking idiot.
What you refuse to understand is that not stealing money from somebody is not the same as giving them something.
BUSH’S WAR AGAINST THE INNOCENT
The Associated Press reports this morning that a Syracuse University study of Justice Department data reveals that federal prosecutors rejected more 90% of the terrorism cases referred by the FBI, Customs, Immigration, and other federal agencies between September 1, 2005 and May 31, 2006. The most common reason was insufficient evidence or no evidence that a crime had been committed.
And despite a sharp increase in prosecutions, 47% of those convicted received no jail time and only 1% were sentenced to 20 years or more — suggesting the administration frequently overcharges defendants and/or labels ordinary crime as “terrorism.”
The article quotes James Dempsey, policy director of the Center for Democracy and Technology, as saying “terrorism is actually very rare – far more people are killed in ordinary street crime.”
A Justice Department study released in June 2006 painted a rosier picture, but former New York Times reporter David Burnham, the Syracuse group’s co-director, said DOJ officials refused to give them the definitions used in compiling their numbers on grounds that might undermine anti-terrorism enforcement.
Steven Aftergood, director of the Federation of American Scientists’ government secrecy project, said, “An empirical study like (Syracuse’s) cuts through the rhetoric (and) lets us see just how many terrorists are being brought to justice. The data suggest that some of the official rhetoric is misleading.”
The Bush administration, of course, criticized the Syracuse study. DOJ spokesman Bryan Sierra claimed prison sentences are “not the proper measure of the success of … counterterrorism efforts … (whose) goal … is to detect, disrupt and deter terrorist activities.”
By prosecuting innocent people, or labeling ordinary street criminals “terrorists”? Yeah, right.
For the AP article, see http://tinyurl.com/f74gh
It is true that I struggled with abnormal psychology, so I do have a hard time understanding the ramblings of sociopaths like you, MTR, but maybe an example will help you understand what normal human beings get.
Let us say your palatial estate sits in northern New Hampshire, and that some dimwit non-producer comes around everytime it snows and clears your walks and driveways with a snow blower. You’ve been paying him to do it, and evertime he shows up you go out and complain about how he’s ripping you off, and he grows so tired of your yammering he quits billing you. He continues to do the work though, because you threaten to fire his non-producing wife who cooks your meals and cleans your house. Instead of going to the poorhouse, he raises the rate for his services on all his other customers.
That poor fuck has given you the price of his services. He should have run you over with the blower, but folks just keep giving you passes. God only knows why.
BUSH’S WAR AGAINST EFFECTIVE PROSECUTIONS
The same article says, “At the penalty trial of … Zacarias Moussaoui, the government acknowledged that it has captured most of the Sept. 11 ringleaders” but can’t prosecute them because it “has never disproved persistent allegations they were tortured during interrogations”.
Meanwhile, Dempsey faults the Bush administration for “arresting people and making a big media splash” on flimsy evidence that doesn’t pan out and results in a large percentage of “terrorism suspects” being released without charges, or prosecuted for minor offenses.
The Syracuse study is more evidence of what I and others have been saying all along: The Bush administration is ineffective, is just plain fucking incompetent, and is violating the rights of innocent people wholesale.
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“The truth keeps on pouring in on the left.” Commentby RUFUS Fitzgerald Kennedy— 9/3/06@ 11:21 pm
Does your home have one of those 1950s nuclear bomb shelters? Anytime a wingnut starts throwing around the word “truth,” run for cover!!!
Now that Roger Rabbit has been educated about the relationship between tax rates, federal revenue, and deficits, we can move onto the next topic.
Roger Rabbit is full of shit when he talks about unemployment. Here’s a quote from the furry little rodent: “Republicans… deliberately pursue polices that create high unemployment and tear holes in the safety net in order to create a large pool of desperate workers who will accept low wages and bad working conditions to survive.” Comment by Roger Rabbit— 1/2/06@ 11:45 pm
The table below from BLS ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/suppl/empsit.cpseea1.txt proves just how full of shit Roger Rabbit is. Unemployment is lower now than it was during most of Clinton’s administration. There was a spike in unemployment after the 9-11 attacks, but it quickly came back down and has been going down ever since as the economy has strengthened. Clearly, Republican policies put people to work so they don’t need a government “safety net”. Now that’s real compassion.
Year Unemployment Rate
1992 7.5
1993 6.9
1994 6.1
1995 5.6
1996 5.4
1997 4.9
1998 4.5
1999 4.2
2000 4.0
2001 4.7
2002 5.8
2003 6.0
2004 5.5
2005 5.1
2006 4.7
137 – Is it just me? Can anybody make any fucking sense out of Harry’s post at 137 and what the fuck it has to do with the challenge I gave him @ 135? Geez…
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Could it be those European governments are reluctant to facilitate the transfer of weaponry to Israel because they don’t want to provoke terrorist attacks against their citizenries? Ya think?? Du-uuhh.
Sheldon Rampton explains a few of the problems with “Path to 9/11″: http://www.firedoglake.com/200.....cking-911/ Commentby Another TJ— 9/4/06@ 8:13 am
You present a moonbat author as refutation? HA HA HA HA HA
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
Apparently Sheldon Rampton didn’t read Deriliction of Duty by Lt. Col. Patterson (Retired). It would have seared his eyes with the truth. He details the July 1996 Wimbledon event where Clinton would not answer Berger’s requests to take out Bin Laden. End of Story
You See ATJ, you need to read more than one source. At that time he was Major Patterson and he had the nuclear football with him in England that day.
You are the missing link: DISMISSED WITH PREJUDICE!
Decades after a German U-boat sank the Lusitania, spurring U.S. entry into World War I, the public finally learned the truth from declassified archives: The Lusitania’s holds were full of arms, including over 4 million rifle cartridges, over 1,000 cases of artillery shells, and thousands of tons of explosive munitions listed on the manifest as “cheese.” (The Lusitania had no refrigeration facilities capable of storing cheese.)
It was (and is) illegal to ship explosives on passenger vessels, and the presence of this cargo made the ship a legitimate military target. But the passengers (and possibly crew) weren’t told this. They were unwitting guinea pigs for government perfidy.
Now — some trollfuck was saying something about landing rights for El Al plans carrying military cargo — ??
planes not plans
By prosecuting innocent people, or labeling ordinary street criminals “terrorists”? Yeah, right. For the AP article, see http://tinyurl.com/f74gh Commentby Roger Rabbit— 9/4/06@ 8:53 am
Pelletizer, you dipshit, you’ll be the first to SCREAM & HOLLER if a terrorist attack happens on US soil again. And when it’s determined the ACLU and their cronies such as most leftist librul moonbat exploding heads on ASSHeads were the reason a person passed through the crack, your position will become NULL & VOID!
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“Unemployment is lower now than it was during most of Clinton’s administration.” Commentby Mark The Redneck KENNEDY— 9/4/06@ 9:07 am
What Gasbag conveniently fails to mention is that unemployment has been below 5% only during the last 6 months, and was high during the first 5 years of the Bush administration.
Don’t be shy, Gasbag; let’s show ’em ALL the unemployment figures for Clinton and Shrub:
1993-01-01 7.3
1993-02-01 7.1
1993-03-01 7.0
1993-04-01 7.1
1993-05-01 7.1
1993-06-01 7.0
1993-07-01 6.9
1993-08-01 6.8
1993-09-01 6.7
1993-10-01 6.8
1993-11-01 6.6
1993-12-01 6.5
1994-01-01 6.6
1994-02-01 6.6
1994-03-01 6.5
1994-04-01 6.4
1994-05-01 6.1
1994-06-01 6.1
1994-07-01 6.1
1994-08-01 6.0
1994-09-01 5.9
1994-10-01 5.8
1994-11-01 5.6
1994-12-01 5.5
1995-01-01 5.6
1995-02-01 5.4
1995-03-01 5.4
1995-04-01 5.8
1995-05-01 5.6
1995-06-01 5.6
1995-07-01 5.7
1995-08-01 5.7
1995-09-01 5.6
1995-10-01 5.5
1995-11-01 5.6
1995-12-01 5.6
1996-01-01 5.6
1996-02-01 5.5
1996-03-01 5.5
1996-04-01 5.6
1996-05-01 5.6
1996-06-01 5.3
1996-07-01 5.5
1996-08-01 5.1
1996-09-01 5.2
1996-10-01 5.2
1996-11-01 5.4
1996-12-01 5.4
1997-01-01 5.3
1997-02-01 5.2
1997-03-01 5.2
1997-04-01 5.1
1997-05-01 4.9
1997-06-01 5.0
1997-07-01 4.9
1997-08-01 4.8
1997-09-01 4.9
1997-10-01 4.7
1997-11-01 4.6
1997-12-01 4.7
1998-01-01 4.6
1998-02-01 4.6
1998-03-01 4.7
1998-04-01 4.3
1998-05-01 4.4
1998-06-01 4.5
1998-07-01 4.5
1998-08-01 4.5
1998-09-01 4.6
1998-10-01 4.5
1998-11-01 4.4
1998-12-01 4.4
1999-01-01 4.3
1999-02-01 4.4
1999-03-01 4.2
1999-04-01 4.3
1999-05-01 4.2
1999-06-01 4.3
1999-07-01 4.3
1999-08-01 4.2
1999-09-01 4.2
1999-10-01 4.1
1999-11-01 4.1
1999-12-01 4.0
2000-01-01 4.0
2000-02-01 4.1
2000-03-01 4.0
2000-04-01 3.8
2000-05-01 4.0
2000-06-01 4.0
2000-07-01 4.0
2000-08-01 4.1
2000-09-01 3.9
2000-10-01 3.9
2000-11-01 3.9
2000-12-01 3.9
2001-01-01 4.2
2001-02-01 4.2
2001-03-01 4.3
2001-04-01 4.4
2001-05-01 4.3
2001-06-01 4.5
2001-07-01 4.6
2001-08-01 4.9
2001-09-01 5.0
2001-10-01 5.3
2001-11-01 5.5
2001-12-01 5.7
2002-01-01 5.7
2002-02-01 5.7
2002-03-01 5.7
2002-04-01 5.9
2002-05-01 5.8
2002-06-01 5.8
2002-07-01 5.8
2002-08-01 5.7
2002-09-01 5.7
2002-10-01 5.7
2002-11-01 5.9
2002-12-01 6.0
2003-01-01 5.8
2003-02-01 5.9
2003-03-01 5.9
2003-04-01 6.0
2003-05-01 6.1
2003-06-01 6.3
2003-07-01 6.2
2003-08-01 6.1
2003-09-01 6.1
2003-10-01 6.0
2003-11-01 5.9
2003-12-01 5.7
2004-01-01 5.7
2004-02-01 5.6
2004-03-01 5.7
2004-04-01 5.5
2004-05-01 5.6
2004-06-01 5.6
2004-07-01 5.5
2004-08-01 5.4
2004-09-01 5.4
2004-10-01 5.4
2004-11-01 5.4
2004-12-01 5.4
2005-01-01 5.2
2005-02-01 5.4
2005-03-01 5.1
2005-04-01 5.1
2005-05-01 5.1
2005-06-01 5.0
2005-07-01 5.0
2005-08-01 4.9
2005-09-01 5.1
2005-10-01 4.9
2005-11-01 5.0
2005-12-01 4.9
2006-01-01 4.7
2006-02-01 4.8
2006-03-01 4.7
2006-04-01 4.7
2006-05-01 4.6
2006-06-01 4.6
2006-07-01 4.8
2006-08-01 4.7
Source: Bureau of Labor Statistics
http://tinyurl.com/rt9hy
(Of course, these figures don’t take into account any monkeying with definitions and such by the dishonest Bushies; actual unemployment is higher than official figures indicate, because the government doesn’t count at “unemployed” people whose unemployment benefits have exhausted, who have given up looking for work, or who are working part time because they can’t find full time work.)
Man it’s easy to take apart that bullshitter, Gasbag.
So Pelletizer, you are saying we shouldn’t have been sending arms to our friends/allies the British?
Just want to be sure I read you correctly. Through your posting on ASSHeads you CONDONE the slaughter of innocent life because the ship had munitions? How would the Germans known unless some moonbat alerted Germany, “There’s muntitions on the Lusitania. Torpedo it” Only from the mind of a moonbat!
RR
AND that a big component of the drop in the unemployment rate in 2006 was fueled by people DROPPING OUT OF THE WORKFORCE (the so-called “discouraged workers”), as opposed to the Clinton era when it was because people GOT JOBS.
Since it was Clinton’s FY2001 budget Bush was operating under look at how unemployment was rising.
2000-10-01 3.9
2000-11-01 3.9
2000-12-01 3.9
2001-01-01 4.2
2001-02-01 4.2
2001-03-01 4.3
2001-04-01 4.4
2001-05-01 4.3
2001-06-01 4.5
2001-07-01 4.6
2001-08-01 4.9
2001-09-01 5.0
I guess that dot bomb explosion under Clinton really helped Bush all the way back to 5%! Thanks for the break out Pelletizer.
#144,
Evidently, you were afraid to read the link. Thanks for playing.
[Boy, Judge Bridge’s decision really got under your skin. He he.]
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“So Pelletizer, you are saying we shouldn’t have been sending arms to our friends/allies the British? Just want to be sure I read you correctly.” Commentby Puddybud Ray Nagin Kennedy— 9/4/06@ 9:47 am
No, I’m not saying that, and you are NOT reading me correctly. What I’m saying is we shouldn’t have shipped arms to our friends/allies the British on a passenger liner (which was a violation of U.S. law) without telling the innocent passengers (who lost their lives) they were sitting on top of a floating bomb that was a prime target for German subs. That’s what CARGO VESSELS are for, dumbass! Why is it necessary to explain this? Why are wingnuts like you so fucking dense?
So Gasbag … now that you’ve had your tax revenue bullshit shoved back up your ass, have you decided to change the subject to unemployment? My advice is: Don’t go there, you’ll only make things worse for yourself! I suggest you stick to something the Bush administration is good at, such as … um … er …
Democrats believe in good government, government that works for all the people.
Republicans believe in crony government, government that lines the pockets of Republicans.
Vote against corruption and cronyism. Vote Democrat.
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“Thanks for the break out Pelletizer.” Commentby Puddybud Ray Nagin Kennedy— 9/4/06@ 9:49 am
You’re welcome, Pudpacker! Let’s recap:
1) Official unemployment was 7.3% when Clinton took over from Bush 41.
2) Unemployment fell steadily under Clinton, and was under 5% a couple of months into his second term.
3) Unemployment stayed below 5% throughout Clinton’s second term, and was under 4% when he turned over the presidency to Bush 43.
4) Under George, unemployment began increasing immediately, and continued its steady upward marched for the next two years, then leveled off above 6% for a few months, before beginning a slow drift to the upper-4s.
5) At no time under Bush 43 has official unemployment been lower than when Clinton took office.
Any questions?
And that’s before you take into account falling real wages under the Bush administration — i.e., even those with work are worse off!
Face it, wingnuts, Bush’s economic performance is miserable and you won’t get any traction with economic arguments. Try calling us “commies” and “appeasers” — that isn’t much, but it fools some of the kool-aid drinkers some of the time, and it’s all you’ve got left.
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Rabbit is full of shit as usual. Unemployment under GWB is lower than it was during MOST of Bubba’s adminsitration. The data doesn’t lie:
Year Unemployment Rate President
1992 7.5 WJC
1993 6.9 WJC
1994 6.1 WJC
1995 5.6 WJC
1996 5.4 WJC
1997 4.9 WJC
1998 4.5 WJC
1999 4.2 WJC
2000 4.0 WJC
2001 4.7 GWB
2002 5.8 GWB
2003 6.0 GWB
2004 5.5 GWB
2005 5.1 GWB
2006 4.7 GWB
#144, Evidently, you were afraid to read the link. Thanks for playing. [Boy, Judge Bridge’s decision really got under your skin. He he.] Commentby Another TJ— 9/4/06@ 9:52 am
No, the “Dismissed with Prejudice” is your line hehehe. Since many moonbats like using my Nuff SAID! I’ll do the same in the interest of sane postings.
I did read it. There are many points I could easily dispute in the public record using Moonbat based MSM and books you can buy from Amazon but you’ll never read because Facts hurt librul minds.
Cheap labor conservatives aren’t interested in creating jobs or prosperity for working people. They like high unemployment because it forces down wages. All you have to do is look at the historical facts:
Jobs created as percentage of workforce:
Democrat Roosevelt 5.3%
Democrat Johnson 3.8%
Democrat Carter 3.1%
Democrat Truman 2.5%
Democrat Clinton 2.4%
Democrat Kennedy 2.3%
Republican Nixon 2.2%
Republican Reagan 2.1%
Republican Coolidge 1.1%
Republican Ford 1.1%
Republican Eisenhower 0.9%
Republican Bush Sr. 0.6%
Republican Bush Jr. (0.7%)
Republican Hoover (9.0%)
From 1921 (Harding – R) to 2003 (Bush – R):
–Democrats held the White House for 40 years and Republicans for 42.5 years.
–Democrats created 75,820,000 jobs, Republicans 36,440,000.
–Average jobs created per year was 1,825,200 Democrats, 856,400, Republicans.
–Of 9 Republican presidents during that period, 6 presided over depressions or recessions.
–The Dow average grew 52% more under Democrats.
–The GDP grew 43% more under Democrats.
Comparing Clinton to Reagan:
–Jobs grew 43% more under Clinton.
–GDP grew 57% more under Clinton.
–The Dow average grew 700% more under Clinton..
–The NASDAQ composite average grew 1,800% more under Clinton.
–Federal spending grew 28% under Clinton, 80% under Reagan.
–Fedearl debt grew 43% under Clinton, 187% under Reagan.
–Deficits grew 112% under Reagan, while Clinton eliminated deficits and achieved a surplus, resulting in the lowest inflation rate of the last 50 years.
–National income grew 100% more under Clinton.
–Personal income grew 110% more under Clinton.
SOURCES-Bureau of Labor Statistics (www.BLS.gov)
Economic Policy Institute (EPI.org)-Global & World Almanacs from 1980 to 2003 (annual issues)
“The ugly truth is that cheap-labor conservatives just don’t like working people. They don’t like ‘bottom up’ prosperity … (they) believe in social hierarchy and privilege, so the only prosperity they want is limited to them. They want to see absolutely nothing that benefits the guy – or more often the woman – who works for an hourly wage.” http://tinyurl.com/lnzs3
Man I love it when wingfucks debate economics with us, because it’s so fucking easy to take them apart! Their economic arguments are highly vulnerable, because their economic policies are designed to benefit the rich at the exp;ense of the working class. The rightwing is waging class war against workers.
Pelletizer: Again you lie and deflect. GWB did not write FY2001 US Budget, CigarMan did. Anything that happened in that year upto October 2001 is CigarMan’s legacy. Since 9/11 happened in 9/2001 it was still in CigarMan’s budget legacy. Do you need remedial assistance in federal budget writing.
http://www.gpoaccess.gov/usbud.....budget.pdf
See page 13 Pelletizer and review the name on it!
One consistent feature of rightwingers is they’re self-destructive. They apparently don’t realize that if their economic policies succeed in concentrating most of the nation’s wealth in the hands of a few — which is the objective of their economic philosophy — at the expense of 98% of the population, the likely result is revolution, overthrow of the capitalist system, and repossession by the working class of the wealthy class’s ill-gotten gains. They’re too fucking stupid to realize that the regulated capitalism invented by liberals saved American capitalism and private ownership of property in the 1930s, following a decade of Republican laissez-faire rule that led to economic collapse. What makes wingnuts think the great mass of Americans will tolerate a third-world economic scenario in which 2% of the population owns 95% of the property and receives 95% of the income? That’s asking for revolution.
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Wouldn’t the same argument apply to the defense budget? Are you ready to admit that Bush went to war in Iraq and Afghanistan with a military that was modernized and equipped by Clinton? Or does this budget-cycle thing only apply to economics? Do I whiff some hypocrisy in your post? Phew!!!
As a bunny, I have a very sensitive nose, and I pick up the stench of wingnut hypocrisy from a long way off.
For example, I can smell JCH’s stink all the way across the Pacific Ocean.
Hey pudpacker, explain to me again how ordinary working Americans are benefitting from Bush’s economic policies — in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary?
Besides Pelletizer, who was Por-NAFTA?
While you are at it: Here is all of the wonderful crap you fail to post about your great economic progress under Clinton. I held this back for the right time: NOW!
This is what Clinton/Gore did upto 1996.
The passage of the “salvage logging” rider that is causing the destruction of ancient public forests and critical watersheds.
The signing of the Panama Declaration, which undermines protection or marine mammals including dolphins and whales.
The continuation of the use of methyl bromide, a highly toxic pesticide known to destroy the Earth’s ozone layer.
The weakening if not the gutting, of the Endangered Species Act through administrative changes in its rules and regulations.
The passage of NAFTA and GATT, international trade agreements that represent the biggest sellout of American workers in U.S. history and effectively remove environmental protections passed by Congress because any legislation deemed to “restrain free trade” can be declared illegal by international tribunals dominated by large scale corporate interests.
The lowering of grazing fees on public land, despite promises by candidate Clinton to raise those fees. As a result, Clinton is subsidizing the cattle industry while overtaxing people and land.
Continuing to subsidize the sugar industry in Florida, which is poisoning the Everglades and diverting large amounts of water needed by wildlife.
Opening wildlife refuges to hunting and fishing by presidential decrees.
Weakening the Safe Drinking Water Act by allowing increased levels of lead and arsenic in drinking water supplies.
Reversing the ban on the production of and importation of PCBs (polychlorinated biphenyls), which may cause more than 40,000 fatalities in the Great Lakes region alone.
Increasing our dependence on Middle East Oil by breaking the promise to not allow the export of Alaskan oil.
http://www.debatethis.org/gore/enviro/
The best you wingnuts can do is wave your impotent little hands to dismiss the professional research of dozens of respected economists and scholars who come up with study after study showing that rightwing economics hurts the majority of Americans, and that Bush administration economic predictions are bullshit.
Pathetic. Just fucking pathetic.
What wingnuts are asking drowning men to do is believe they’re sitting in deck chairs sipping margaritas.
Ahhh yes I do pack a big pud!
Did I just read Cheap Labor Moonbats?
I did! I did!
P.S., and overlook the fact it was wingnuts who threw them overboard.
So where’s Gasbag? Did he cut-and-run after getting his ass kicked by a 12.5-lb. rabbit?
“Some GOP Candidates Distance Themselves From Bush
“By DAVID HAMMER
“AP
“WASHINGTON (Sept. 4) – Republicans who were once cozy with President Bush are distancing themselves from both the president and their party in campaign ads.”
http://tinyurl.com/jhh7v
Hey wingnuts — how’s that GOP brand name working for you these days?
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Posts #172-174 COULD HAVE BEEN WRITTEN IN ONE ENTRY. Apparently Pelletizer can’t create cogent thought past a sentence or two unless he’s copying other material.
Take a deep breath Pelletizer. Focus. Think. Type. Next paragraph. Repeat.
I will grant you the dot com explosion helped create employment. You forget the dot bomb implosion which occured under your CigarMan started bringing down employment.
In other news, I see the Bush administration is trying to fuck with the food labeling rules so cattlemen can sell grain-fed feedlot beef full of hormones and antibiotics as “grassfed” natural beef — without telling consumers what’s in it.
Post #178 is Pelletizer giving up!!!
Amazing when facts hurt the librul mind!
I tell my veterinarian not to prescribe any medication approved by the FDA since January 15, 2001 — because I don’t want to get killed by the shit Bush is letting his drug company buddies sell to consumers.
The Republican answer to dangerous products is to outlaw lawsuits or at least cap jury awards so their pals don’t have to pay for the deaths and injuries they inflict on us.
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Looks like Hail Mary time for wingnuts … either that, or pudpacker woke up with one hell of a hangover and discovered all he’s got in the kitchen cupboard is decaf.
Well, I’m going on vacation starting tomorrow, and I’ve got a lot of packing to do, so I’m outta here. Later, trollfuck traitors! I’ll see you when I see you — unless they hang you first.
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Could it be those European governments are reluctant to facilitate the transfer of weaponry to Israel because they don’t want to provoke terrorist attacks against their citizenries? Ya think?? Du-uuhh.
Commentby Roger Rabbit— 9/4/06@ 9:24 am
Yeah that is working out great. Just ask France. hehe
Roger Rabbit will be on vacation from Sept. 5 to Oct. 9. I’m going to hop down to Vegas and tour the salad bars of the casinos — YUMMY!!! :D :D :D
I’m trusting my liberal pals to hold the fort here, while I’m gone. I may check in once in a while to see how things are going, if I happen to have access to a computer. But I’m mostly going to be on the road for the next six weeks. It’s a long hop to Vegas and back.
9/4/2006 12:55:45 PM
Hot Tubs
(Of course, these figures don’t take into account any monkeying with definitions and such by the dishonest Bushies; actual unemployment is higher than official figures indicate, because the government doesn’t count at “unemployed” people whose unemployment benefits have exhausted, who have given up looking for work, or who are working part time because they can’t find full time work.)
Commentby Roger Rabbit— 9/4/06@ 9:44 am
And you trust Clinton definitions. Have you figured out what “is” is yet? Hahahahaha
I did read it. There are many points I could easily dispute in the public record using Moonbat based MSM and books you can buy from Amazon but you’ll never read because Facts hurt librul minds.
Yeah, and after that you’ll produce the NY Times article you’ve been relentlessly searching for that will prove you’ve not a liar.
http://www.horsesass.org/my-co.....ent-178207
I think that thread was the first time I quoted the election challenge decision to you. Thanks for the memories.
Wouldn’t the same argument apply to the defense budget? Are you ready to admit that Bush went to war in Iraq and Afghanistan with a military that was modernized and equipped by Clinton? Or does this budget-cycle thing only apply to economics? Do I whiff some hypocrisy in your post? Phew!!!
Commentby Roger Rabbit— 9/4/06@ 10:34 am
So it was Clinton fault that we do not have enough armored carriers in Iraq. Thanks for clearing that up.
“The truth keeps on pouring in on the left.” Commentby RUFUS Fitzgerald Kennedy— 9/3/06@ 11:21 pm
Does your home have one of those 1950s nuclear bomb shelters? Anytime a wingnut starts throwing around the word “truth,” run for cover!!!
Commentby Roger Rabbit— 9/4/06@ 9:03 am
You dems always do. The truth hurts a liberal.
Rabbit 166 – Geez, you’re having a bad day. Just pulling stuff out of your ass. Unfortunately for you, MTR is here with facts:
First the source: http://www.federalreserve.gov/.....ll0206.pdf
Page A5 of the report shows change in income from 2001 to 2004. “Income also shows a strong positive association with education; in particular, incomes for families headed by
persons who have a college degree are substantially higher than for those with any lesser amount of schooling.
Poor people CHOOSE to be poor by CHOOSING not to learn marketable skills. The door is open to them anytime, but they CHOOSE not to take it. They get what they deserve.
Page A8 of the report shows net worth changes from 2001 to 2004.“Median and mean net worth rose or held about
steady for all percentile groups of the distribution of
net worth except for families in the lowest 25 percent
of the distribution of net worth.”
So much for the idea that only the rich are doing well under the current administration. Clearly the middle class is doing well. The poor continue to be poor because of their bad choices.
@145 “Decades after”? Roger Rabbit- I learned that the Lusitania was carrying munitions, against the Laws of War, in school- decades ago. Now, admittedly, that was also decades after the Lusitania sank, so you might be technically accurate- if you mean “In the 1960’s- or earlier- decades after…”
But it sure isn’t new news that Woodrow Wilson lied to the people.
Bet-welsher:
A long time ago you admitted to being a member of a labor union.
So why are you a Republican?
Bashing organized labor is a Republican pathology, to the point where unions are referenced with terms reserved for military targets. In his 1996 article, headlined “GOP Readies for War With Big Labor,” conservative columnist Robert Novak cheered the creation of a “GOP committee task force on the labor movement” that would pursue a “major assault” on unions. As one Republican lawmaker told Novak, GOP leaders champion an “anti-union attitude that appeals to the mentality of hillbillies at revival meetings.”
The hostility, while disgusting, is unsurprising. Unions wield power for workers, meaning they present an obstacle to Republican corporate donors, who want to put profit-making over other societal priorities.
Think the minimum wage just happened? Think employer-paid health care and pensions have been around for as long as they have by some force of magic? Think again — unions used collective bargaining to preserve these benefits. As the saying goes, union members are the folks that brought you the weekend.
Happy labor day, bet-welsher. Why don’t you redeem yourself and send a f*cking $100 postal money order to Goldy for the bet you lost.
@149- Roger Rabbit- Actually, for decades the unemployment figures have counted only those looking for and willing to work. Do you have any proof that the definitions have changed under Bush? I thought not…
And the figures you present simply show that the economic downturn fueled by the Clinton dot.com bubble bursting- all those phony accounting schemes used during the ’90’s having failed to be sustainable- and exacerbated by 9/11 is finally coming to an end.
@163- Wabbit, you are getting too silly here. FDR and LBJ created war-time jobs- in fact, the Great Depression was ended only by WWII. Clinton “created” jobs by allowing the dot.com bubble and phony accounting- and you blame Bush because those fake jobs disappeared.
Democrat recipe for job growth- complete mobilization for war and phony accounting practices- and pay the piper later…
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It’s just you, dummy.
142. It’s just you dummy.
“union members are the folks that brought you the weekend.”
Commentby For the Clueless [ Union members are the folks that brought you bankrupt companies, and “guvment” Democrat union hacks that act like parasites.]
Failing business such as steel and auto, were bankrupted by Republican politicians.
Had the vision of the New Deal and Great Society to provide a security net for citizens that would provide health care and reasonable pension benefits as part of government, the major costs that influenced failure in these industries would have been spread out over all taxpayers, as in Europe.
And here I thought our auto industry was bankrupted by its lack of vision and desire to keep producing gas guzzlers well into th 1970’s; and neither American NOR European steel can compete with Asian steel. Of course, Democratic politicians deciding to upgrade- in fact, to build new, state of the art- steel mills for Europe might have had something to do with what happened to American steel in the interim…
Sorry for the DeLay ATJ. I was pruning black berry bushes and our crop is gonna be large this year.
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/08.....7BAMF.html
“In the wake of the French intelligence report (see August 22, 2001) on Zacarias Moussaoui, FBI agents in Minnesota are “in a frenzy” and “absolutely convinced he [is] planning to do something with a plane.” One agent writes notes speculating Moussaoui might “fly something into the World Trade Center.” [Newsweek, 5/20/2002] Minnesota FBI agents become “desperate to search the computer lap top” and “conduct a more thorough search of his personal effects,” especially since Moussaoui acted as if he was hiding something important in the laptop when arrested. [Time, 5/21/2002; Time, 5/27/2002] They decide to apply for a search warrant under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA). “FISA allows the FBI to carry out wiretaps and searches that would otherwise be unconstitutional” because “the goal is to gather intelligence, not evidence.” [Washington Post, 11/4/2001] Standards to get a warrant through FISA are so low that out of 10,000 requests over more than 20 years, not a single one was turned down. Previously, when the FBI did not have a strong enough case, it allegedly simply lied to FISA. In May 2002, the FISA court complained that the FBI had lied in at least 75 warrant cases during the Clinton administration, once even by the FBI director. [New York Times, 8/27/2002] However, as FBI Agent Coleen Rowley later puts it, FBI headquarters “almost inexplicably, throw[s] up roadblocks” and undermines their efforts.”
So, the article you provided supports my position, and demonstrates that you screwed up. Thanks for the clarification.
You’re dismissed… with prejudice.
Failing business such as steel and auto, were bankrupted by Republican politicians.
Commentby Harry Tuttle […………………..Funny how the “nonunion” steel and auto companies are doing quite well. Unions only are successful with “guvment” employees because they can blackmail the Democrat hack pols with votes.]
Presidential Medal of Freedom recipient George Tenet called of the bin Laden “snatch.” He said that given the recommendation of his chief operations officers, he alone had decided to “turn off” the operation. He had simply informed Sandy Berger, who had not pushed back. Berger’s recollection was similar. He said the plan was never presented to the White House for a decision.
The CIA’s senior management clearly did not think the plan would work. Tenet’s deputy director of operations wrote to Berger a few weeks later that the CIA assessed the tribals’ ability to capture Bin Laden and deliver him to U.S. officials as “low.”
Ahhh ATJ there is more: “At Sept. 11 Trial, Tale Of Missteps And Management By Scott Shane and Neil Lewis, New York Times”
“Recent interviews of intelligence officials by The New York Times suggest that the Bureau had a reason for growing cautious about applying to a secret national security court for special search warrants that might have supplied critical information.”
“The F.B.I.,” officials told the Times, “had become wary after a well-regarded supervisor was disciplined because the [FISA] court complained that he had submitted improper information on applications.”
The secret court went so far as to discipline Michael Resnick, the F.B.I. supervisor in charge of coordinating terrorist surveillance operations, saying they would no longer accept warrant applications from him. Intelligence officials told the Times that the FISA Court’s decision to reprimand Resnick, who had been a rising star in the FBI, “resulted in making the Bureau far less aggressive in seeking information on terrorists.”
Gripping testimony came from Mr. Samit, who arrested Mr. Moussaoui on Aug. 16 and quickly became convinced that he was a terrorist who knew about an imminent hijacking plot. Mr. Samit said that he had sent about 70 warning messages about Mr. Moussaoui, but that they had produced no results.
The agent said he had been puzzled at the reluctance of Michael Maltbie, a supervisor with the Radical Fundamentalist Unit at bureau headquarters, to seek a search warrant for Mr. Moussaoui’s belongings from a special intelligence court.
Mr. Samit seemed unable to satisfy Mr. Maltbie’s demand that he provide a tangible link between Mr. Moussaoui and a foreign power, a requirement for a warrant from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court. He thought he had sufficient evidence from two French intelligence reports showing Mr. Moussaoui had recruited someone to fight in Chechnya for an Islamist group allied with Mr. bin Laden.
You’re dismissed with Prejudice!
More for you ATJ:
“From the New York Times article linked to below:
May 27, 2002
F.B.I. Inaction Blurred Picture Before Sept. 11
By NEIL A. LEWIS
This article was reported by David Johnston, Neil A. Lewis and Don Van Natta Jr. and written by Mr. Lewis.
WASHINGTON, May 26 — The day of Aug. 6, 2001, broke in the capital with the steamy torpor of deep summer. Congress was in recess, and President Bush, away on a working vacation at his Texas ranch, was out jogging before the temperature began its climb above 100 degrees. He later hacked brush in a sweltering gulch and fished for bass in a stocked pond. Maybe, later, his aides said, he would finish reading a biography of John Adams.
But it was on that morning, not long after his four-mile run, that Mr. Bush sat down in his ranch house for his daily intelligence briefing. It was delivered not by his usual briefer, George J. Tenet, the director of central intelligence, but by a low-level C.I.A. officer. At some point, the briefer told Mr. Bush that Osama bin Laden‘s followers in Al Qaeda might hijack commercial jets in the United States — a dated fragment of information based on a single 1999 British intelligence report.
What Mr. Bush was not told that morning, and what his C.I.A. briefer did not know, was that crucial pieces of Al Qaeda‘s intentions in the United States did exist elsewhere inside the nation‘s counterterrorism agencies.
A re-examination of events before Sept. 11 clearly suggests that the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the agency most directly responsible for protecting against an attack on American soil, failed to assemble a coherent picture of the available danger signals. Nor did it fully communicate what it knew to the C.I.A. or other intelligence agencies.
Interviews with more than a dozen current and former senior policy-makers and law enforcement and counterterrorism officials suggest that in the summer of 2001 the government‘s counterterrorism apparatus was too lumbering, too compartmentalized and too inattentive to grasp the emerging pattern. Also, perhaps, a bit unlucky.
In addition, recent interviews of intelligence officials by The New York Times suggest that the bureau had a reason for growing cautious about applying to a secret national security court for special search warrants that might have supplied critical information. The F.B.I., the officials said, had become wary after a well-regarded supervisor was disciplined because the court complained that he had submitted improper information on applications.
“It‘s too bad that someone had not connected the dots — they had the dots,” said a retired senior F.B.I. official, who would not speak on the record on such a sensitive subject.
Beyond the apparent inability to detect any pattern, a question of willful negligence has been raised. In a memorandum that is the subject of Congressional scrutiny, an F.B.I. agent in Minneapolis argued last week that there was enough evidence in August to obtain the special search warrant for a computer and other belongings of Zacarias Moussaoui, a French-born flight student. The agent, Coleen Rowley, wrote to the F.B.I. director, Robert S. Mueller III, that a search could have yielded significant clues, if not warnings, about the Sept. 11 attacks.
But Ms. Rowley, in anguished tones, wrote that officials at the bureau‘s headquarters repeatedly thwarted the efforts of agents in the field to investigate Mr. Moussaoui, a man who officials believe was meant to be the 20th hijacker.
The issues “are fundamentally ones of INTEGRITY,” Ms. Rowley wrote, making her point in capitals.
Ms. Rowley wrote that the evidence was so persuasive at the time that the bureau could not hide behind a “20-20 hindsight is perfect” argument. A bipartisan group of senators demanded this weekend that Mr. Mueller answer the issues raised in the Rowley memorandum.
While Bush administration officials have said that no information was available that could have thwarted the attacks, Mr. Mueller has acknowledged that the bureau paid insufficient attention to the signals. In response to an outpouring of criticism in Congress — and from his own agent ranks — Mr. Mueller has promised to build up the bureau‘s analytical ability.
His plans have not deterred Democrats in Congress who have proposed an independent commission to investigate the attacks even as the chairmen of Congressional intelligence committees have announced hearings on them for June.
John L. Martin, a former senior Justice Department official who spent a career involved in national security, said he believed that the administration should welcome, not resist, a review of its performance.
“When you see a bad play on a football field, you know it,” Mr. Martin said. “And you know the coach has to review it to make it right for the next time.”
Mr. Bush and his closest advisers never got the information that on July 10 an F.B.I. agent in Phoenix had warned in a memorandum that Mr. bin Laden might be sending operatives to American flight schools to prepare for terrorist operations. Mr. Bush did not learn of the memorandum until long after the attacks.
“They had the concept that this could happen. This guy in Phoenix added some detail, and then you had the Moussaoui case,” said the retired senior F.B.I. official. “It was all there for someone to piece together. That‘s their job.”
On Aug. 16, an instructor at a Minneapolis flight school called the F.B.I. to report his suspicions about Mr. Moussaoui. The next day, Mr. Moussaoui was arrested on immigration charges. Two days later, F.B.I. agents in Minnesota asked Washington to obtain a special warrant to search his laptop computer, but the request was repeatedly resisted by F.B.I. headquarters.
Other signs came and went, seemingly without being fitted into the growing file on Al Qaeda. For example, in the summer of 2001, Mr. Bush‘s national security team was told about the extensive F.B.I. debriefings of Ahmed Ressam, an Algerian arrested in December 1999 at the Canadian border by a Customs Service agent in what became known as the millennium bombing plot. Mr. Ressam provided a firsthand account of his training in Afghanistan and his plan to detonate a bomb at Los Angeles International Airport.
“Ressam gave us a template for an Al Qaeda operation in the United States,” a senior law enforcement official said. “But because it was prevented, because the bomb didn‘t go off, it didn‘t set off the alarms like it should have.”
The F.B.I. clearinghouse for Al Qaeda intelligence was the bin Laden and radical fundamentalist units in its counterterrorism division. The units had complete access to the Phoenix memorandum, the Moussaoui case and the Ressam debriefings. But the agents assigned to these units did not understand the broader meaning of the signs, senior law enforcement officials acknowledge.
“No one was looking at any overall picture,” one of the former officials said. “It‘s hard, scruffy, dirty work to do these analytical things. You get a lot of criticism within the bureaucracy if you send up a paper that someone feels won‘t carry the day.”
The bureau‘s reluctance to press new applications for national security search warrants stemmed, some officials believe, from an incident late in the Clinton administration.
In the fall of 2000, the seven judges on the secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court in Washington summoned Attorney General Janet Reno to their secure courtroom. The judges, in a letter signed by Chief Judge Royce C. Lamberth, had complained to her of a serious breach. Misleading affidavits had been submitted to the court, which approves warrants to eavesdrop on people suspected of being foreign agents or international terrorists. At the meeting, Ms. Reno agreed that the problem was serious, the officials said.
All of the flawed affidavits had been submitted by Michael Resnick, the F.B.I. supervisor in charge of coordinating the surveillance operations related to Hamas, the militant Palestinian group. The judges said they would no longer accept applications from Mr. Resnick.
In response, the F.B.I. director at the time, Louis J. Freeh, ordered a broader review of the eavesdropping applications — including those related to Al Qaeda. That review, the officials said, turned up disturbing signs that Al Qaeda applications were also flawed.
For Mr. Resnick, who had been a rising star in the bureau, the complaint from the judges and especially their refusal to have him appear before them again was a blow to his career that angered some of his colleagues. Ms. Reno turned over the complaint to the department‘s Office of Professional Responsibility, which is still investigating Mr. Resnick.
Intelligence officials said the event resulted in making the bureau far less aggressive in seeking information on terrorists. Other officials said the Resnick case prompted bureau officials to adopt a play-it-safe approach that meant submitting fewer applications and declining to submit any that could be questioned.
Several former and current officials said the F.B.I. legal counsel‘s office may have been correct, based on what was known at the time, in deciding not to apply for a warrant to search Mr. Moussaoui‘s computer. The office was not given any evidence that Mr. Moussaoui was acting on behalf of a foreign power, a requirement of the law. But the officials said it appeared that the bureau had not stirred itself to fill that gap.
Ms. Rowley complained in emphatic language in her memorandum that an official at headquarters was determined to thwart the field office‘s efforts to obtain a surveillance warrant from the court to examine Mr. Moussaoui‘s computer. She charged that the supervisory agent, to make the application not viable, had played down information obtained from French intelligence sources about Mr. Moussaoui‘s links to foreign terrorist organizations.
Excerpts from the text of the memorandum that were posted on the Time Web site this weekend show Ms. Rowley pleading with Mr. Mueller to be careful not to continue to say that the bureau did not have any information that could have helped prevent the Sept. 11 attacks.
She said that the headquarters supervisory agent had perceived that pressing the application for the warrant was an unnecessary career risk. Although she did not name the official, Senators Patrick J. Leahy of Vermont, Charles E. Grassley of Iowa and Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania have identified David Frasca, who was in the unit that was assigned to monitor Islamic radical terrorists, as responsible.
A spokesman said the F.B.I. would not comment on Mr. Frasca‘s role or on Ms. Rowley‘s memorandum.
“I have deep concerns that a delicate and subtle shading/skewing of facts by you and others at the highest levels of F.B.I. management has occurred and is occurring,” Ms. Rowley wrote. “The term `cover-up‘ would be too strong a characterization, which is why I am attempting to carefully (and perhaps overlaboriously) choose my words here.”
She added that she believed certain facts “have up to now, been omitted, downplayed, glossed over and/or mischaracterized in an effort to avoid or minimize personal and/or institutional embarrassment on the part of the F.B.I. and/or perhaps even for improper political reasons.”
The issue was whether the information from the French security services identified Mr. Moussaoui as someone with radical Islamic ideas, as headquarters officials contended, or described links to specific groups, as the Minnesota office believed.
“That would have been the clincher,” said one senior government official familiar with the intelligence court. “The mention of groups would have gotten the bureau the warrant that Minneapolis wanted.”
Ms. Rowley also wrote that the supervisor threw up roadblocks to a search warrant in the Moussaoui case even after Sept. 11. as a defensive reaction to how his earlier unwillingness would now appear.”
A requirement by law is the tie-in I was referring to by the FISA court referenced above.
Twist in the wind all you want ATJ!
You claimed the FISA court rejected the warrant application. You were wrong, and with each successive post, you reinforce that. Thanks a bunch. Buh-bye.
And everyone the discouragement of the FISA court and the requirement for a link to a foreign power is from above:
“In May 2002, the FISA court complained that the FBI had lied in at least 75 warrant cases during the Clinton administration, once even by the FBI director. [New York Times, 8/27/2002]”
Who da thunk Clinton law enforcement peeps lying for FISA warrants.
Why did you skip over this ATJ?
More the prejudiced ATJ:
http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0316/lee2.php
The lower FISA court had earlier refused to permit the lower standard, because the FBI had admitted to misrepresenting information in FISA cases 75 times.
Damn Roger,
I will be in Vegas for a week around Sep 19. My Dad lives there, so I am flying home for a short break! Check out the Mexican Restaurant in the Palms, they have great food.
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I only want the lettuce and carrots. YUMMY!!! I LOVE carrots!!! :D :D :D
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Uh … pudwhacker … that looks like more than an EXCERPT which takes you outside the Fair Use doctrine and into the realm of copyright infringement … what do you guys think, should we turn him in?
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“Ahhh yes I do pack a big pud!” Commentby Puddybud Ray Nagin Kennedy— 9/4/06@ 10:39 am
Find a good medical site and search for articles on “skin tags.”
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You should be worrying about your own content problems.
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“Poor people CHOOSE to be poor by CHOOSING not to learn marketable skills. The door is open to them anytime, but they CHOOSE not to take it. They get what they deserve.” Commentby Mark The Redneck KENNEDY— 9/4/06@ 11:09 am
Yeah right, Gasbag — poor people CHOOSE not to go to Hah-vahd and other colleges charging $40,000 a year tuition; meanwhile, Republicans in congress gaily hack away at Pell grants and other student financial aid so they can give more tax breaks to billionaires.
“Cheap-labor conservatives constantly bray about ‘morality’, ‘virtue’, ‘respect for authority’, ‘hard work’ and other ‘values’. Why. So they can blame your being ‘over a barrel’ on your own ‘immorality’, lack of ‘values’ and ‘poor choices’.” http://tinyurl.com/lnzs3
Hmmm … does that sound like anyone we know?
Speaking of “poor choices,” Gasbag married a dead crack whore.
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F I V E H U N D R E D T H O U S A N D D O L L A R S
$500,000.000
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222, Marxist class warfare. Typical Democrat whining.
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It’s you who’s being silly, Jim Wingnut. Let’s try something.
ROGER RABBIT POLL
Which political party looks out for the working man (and woman)?
[ ] 1. Democrats
[ ] 2. Democrats
[ ] 3. Democrats
[ ] 4. All of the above
Don’t like the choices? Sorry, there are no other contenders. Like the Model T Ford, pro-labor political parties come in only one style and color: Democrat.
Rabbit 222 – Harvard charges helluva lot more than 40k, not that you would know…
But if a person wants to get a university eduction, they can attend taxpayer subsidized universities where they only have to pick up 20% of the true cost. Is that too much to ask?
Yes, cheap labor donk at it before Bush came along.
http://www.counterpunch.org/food.html
Daddl Love: Navigate over to the Mike? thread for an answer.
Kind Regards,
Pudster