Oh my gosh! Paid signature gatherers lying about an initiative..? Who knew?
by Goldy — ,
Oh my gosh! Paid signature gatherers lying about an initiative..? Who knew?
I no longer use Twitter or Facebook because Nazis. But until BlueSky is bought and enshittified, you can still follow me at @goldyha.bsky.social
Republicans talking = republicans lying.
NO EXCEPTIONS!
Republicans talking = republicans lying.
NO EXCEPTIONS!
We haven’t heard much from Goldy about his child’s school, Graham Hill (maybe he has the good sense to be embarassed about printing a photo of children without their parents’ permission on the Internet). He likes to tell us how united and one this school is and yet, if you look at his postings at the Graham Hill Yahoo group it appears the school is as it appears…very confused and dominated by Montessori parents.
Several parents write and ask why the focus is on the Montessori program and express uneasiness about the focus. Others say they didn’t even know the Montesssori elementary program was free and assumed it was pay since the pre-K is. How can you be at a school with two programs and completely not know this? Goldy himself weighs in and asks for people to “investigate” any ties between Zion Prep and members of the CAC (there aren’t any, just more of his conspiracy fantasies). And, he ponders if the Montessori program moved to another school how the parents at the new school would feel if the Montessori parents took over their PTA (absolutely what he wrote). Graham Hill a united school? No, it’s two separate schools with the minority dominating the majority whether it’s running the PTA or academic achievement. And how come he never asks the question, why do the Montessori kids perform better than the regular ed kids? It doesn’t seem to trouble him a bit.
This kid can do it, so why can’t Rubberstamp Reichert do it? http://www.merchantsbay.com/eI.....t_Full.jpg
Stefan, why didn’t you share the proceeds of your lawsuit against King County with the generous donors to your “legal action fund” who helped pay for the lawsuit?
Education Activist: I’ll answer that and I DARE GOLDY TO REFUTE ME!
Goldy, you put pictures of minors on the Internet and no lefty complained? Goldy when Richard Pope placed the population demographics of your beloved school you called him a liar. When he URL’d the Seattle School Distric document did you apologize? HELL NO! Libruls lie and then when caught don’t mea culpa, they want everyone to forget it. Let a conservative get caught in a lie and it’s national news time.
So I ask you Goldy, do you support the school demographic “racist” policies? Seems to me when you were confronted by Richard Pope you could have said “Richard, that’s news to me!” I would have bought it Goldy. Now I see otherwise!!! Let the poor black kids effin get bad schooling as long as my daughter gets good schooling. Good job Goldy. BTW while sitting on that fat ass on Sunday night tell the whole 90 listeners (ASSHead Members of the Goldy Northwest Division of Lunatic Moonbats) why you didn’t run for school board. If you put that on this blog anytime B4 the next show, your listenership will break 1000 as us whom think right would tune in! But we know that will never happen! Why? Goldy would have to admit he is the problem, NOT THE SOLUTION!!!!
Watch now peeps. DJ will be the first to come to Goldy’s rescue. He always does!
Does ANYBODY understand the ramblings of this inbred fuck Puddybutt? I swear I have no idea what he is trying to say most of the time. But I do know it’s stupid.
Just a reminder that today, like every day, hero of the right, drug addict Lush Flimbaugh is peeing into a cup in front of his probation officer. Another shining example for the republican youth!
Clear as a Sunny Seattle day to me LeftTurd Blossom! I wait for the Goldstein to answer the charges above!
Here is the Palm Beach County Court Order LeftTurd. I see no peeing in a cup. You have no argument so you repeat yourself… no you pee all over yourself with another lie! BTW this is not right-wing site Clueless! Slate – Run by left wing morons!
http://slate.msn.com/id/2140956/entry/0/
LeftTurdBall: Why would the ACLU back Limbaugh?
“The American Civil Liberties Union, hardly a political ally of Limbaugh’s, joined the case, arguing for special notification to patients if their medical records are going to be taken. The ACLU said Wednesday it would continue to join with Limbaugh in his appeals.
“Rush Limbaugh’s celebrity status is secondary to the fundamental privacy issues that arise in this case,” said Randall Marshall, legal director of the ACLU of Florida. “What is at stake here is the medical privacy of millions of people in Florida and the need to protect people against unnecessary government intrusion into their medical records.””
It was a witch hunt TurdBall or is that DingleBerry?
“From each, according to there abilities, to each, according to their needs, and us Democrats have unlimited needs!” Hillary Clinton and Karl Marx
” … Limbaugh acquired more than 2,000 painkillers over a period of five months.” (See link in #10)
Man, that explains a lot! Now … I wonder what Coulter is on?
Almost an hour has past and no answer from Goldy on Puddy’s challenge. Maybe he’s drinking liberally on a Thursday night!
Timeout from politics —
Thursday Evening Poetry in session:
Guitar Lesson #1
Hold her close
Let your chest feel
her smooth back
Settle her deep curves
Upon your thigh
Wrap your arm
Around her bottom
And gently brush
With one hand
While
You pinch slightly
Without hurting
Your other hand
Upon her sensitive neck
Settle for a moment
But not too long
Just enough pressure
To make a beautiful cry
You know … Ann Coulter … the Nazi bitch who committed VOTING FRAUD and is trying to procure the MURDER of a congressman.
DO YOU SUPPORT THE TROOPS?
Roger Rabbit does! I sent $99 to OPERATION HELMET because our GOP-run government is too fucking cheap to buy equipment for our troops in Afghanistan and Iraq.
All the time, we hear trolls dribble how they “support the troops” and we liberals don’t. Well, I wonder how many of THEM have sent a donation to OPERATION HELMET. None, I’ll bet. Like Mark the Turdfuck, they talk a good game but when it’s time to step up to the plate they’re welshers.
I liked Rogre Rabbit. Actually gave you stature!
ROGER RABBIT POLL
How many of the brainwashed troll asswipes who post on this board have put their money where their mouths are, and supported the troops by sending a donation to OPERATION HELMET?
[ ] 1. Are you serious?
[ ] 2. You’re kidding, right?
[ ] 3. Is the moon made of green cheese?
[ ] 4. Do you believe in UFOs?
[ ] 5. HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR — that’s funny!
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Well, that’s easy to fix! Now, are you gonna support the troops, or are you a welsher like Mark the Redturd?
Or how about this one? So how about it — are you gonna support the troops or not?
HEY TROLLS! HERE’S YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO PUT YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTHS ARE — AND SUPPORT THE TROOPS!!! I DID!!! DO YOU WANT YOUR GRANDCHILDREN TO THINK, “ROGER RABBIT SUPPORTED THE TROOPS, BUT MY SKINFLINT GRANDDAD DIDN’T?”!!!
http://www.operation-helmet.org/
Uncle Sam wants YOU to support the troops! Roger Rabbit did!
Rubberstamp Reichert doesn’t support the troops. He’s so cheap, he won’t even spend other people’s money to buy helmets for the troops. So it’s up to the patriots like Roger Rabbit to pick up the slack from the poopers like Rubberstamp Reichert and the HA menagerie of trollfucks.
Republicans say they “support the troops,” but they don’t actually support the troops. They want Roger Rabbit to do it for them! Well, I did, and gladly!!! A soldier’s life is more important to me than another tax cut for millionaires. Too bad everyone doesn’t feel that way.
GOP = all hat, no cattle
all republicans are traitors and cowards
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they don’t pay their gambling debts or support the troops, either, but i bet they’d suck bunny dick — for a good time call 1-800-SUK-ROGR
“The composition of the new Congress also lends support to the allegations that the Republicans have become the “party of the military.” Nineteen Republicans and 16 Democrats are senators with military experience. Sixty-eight Republicans and 46 Democrats are veteran House members. Of the new veteran legislators of any age, six are Republicans, three are Democrats. All 10 of the volunteer-era veteran legislators are Republicans.”
” The growing presence of women in the U.S. Congress also changes the mix. While hundreds of women have graduated from service academies and ROTC programs, and thousands have served the military in enlisted capacities, only one female veteran is in the new Congress — Rep. Heather Wilson (R-N. Mex.), a former Air Force officer.”
http://www.usm.maine.edu/mcr/n.....anoped.htm
Liberals are the cocksuckers of the world. Forget Log Cabin Republicans; just visit cornholeland… San Francisco. Castro Street. On a building in San Francisco: “For a good time call a liberal man from Seattle. They even let horses fuck them”!
Try and refute that one girly men!
Call Mayor Gavin Newsom of San Francisco. He makes laws for cornholing cocksucking liberal Girly men. California Supreme Court shot him down. Now what was Roger Rabbit saying about the military? Didn’t YO say you were rear eschelon? Oh yes, nothing worthwhile! Just like LeftTurd Blossom. Nothing about peeing in a cup! All made up!
Puddy: Goldy won’t answer you. He was caught in a lie, has no alibi, and now his daughter is going to cry when she finds out Goldy sat on his ass and let her school fry. Gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Goldy! Yeah!
Republicans talking = republicans lying.
NO EXCEPTIONS!
Commentby LeftTurn— 6/22/06@ 6:08 pm
Here here LT. I am not getting quoted on this am I? Courage, courage.
Just a reminder that today, like every day, hero of the right, drug addict Lush Flimbaugh is peeing into a cup for LeftTurd Blossom to drink that yellow nectar!
Hey Rabbit – Didja see today somebody did a survey of CEO salaries and found the average CEO makes 622 times as much as low level loser bureaucrats like you? Does it piss you off that The Producers have more than poor pathetic losers like you?
Didja also see GOP decided NOT to pay people more than they are worth by raising minimum wage?
Just thought I’d let you know…
A lot of slime and no substance form our righties today. They must be concerned.
Explain to me tonight (since no one would last night) why when the Repub administration lied about the reasons for war (no WMD,no link to 9/11), had no plan for after the fall of Saddam (those IED come from the arorries we did not secure) and inadequately supplied our troops (insufficient armor for troops or vehicles)should not be considered treasonous?
Just wondering.
Then explain why we picked Iraq which was no direct threat and left business unfinshed in Afganistan and weakened us so much that North Korea, a real threat, cannot be confronted.
Still wondering.
Lot of unhinged right-wing slime tonight!
Yes the 13 year old boys must all be locked up tonight so the right wingers can’t find any ass to rape so they’re going off here at HA!
Lost in the noise of #35 &36 is the lack of tangible answers to today’s problems!!!
Now watch Cluelesscocksucker accuse me of right-wing propoganda. I’ll answer back: “figure it out dummy”!
Madeline Half-Bright & Jimmie Carter said North Korea was our friends in the 90s. Isn’t that when they were developing nuclear weapons? Yes, vote Democrat, we’ll let the bad guys develop bad weapons under our eyes. We could wipe Kim Il Dong Jong off the map in 30 minutes!
Saddam was supposed to totally destroy his WMDs. 14 resolutions from the “It takes a Village UN”. He didn’t. We found the rest of his cachet. You all claimed what? He didn’t have any? We didn’t secure them. Are you saying Clinton didn’t do the job like getting Osama in 1996? If the weapons were NOT destroyed, what are they then? WMDs?
#37 – Aren’t you a friend of NAMBLA, along with TFF, GT, LT, FTC and others?
39 – perfect example, of the right-wing slime, that is.
38 – Whew! Talk about delusional…
Ummm, Cocksuker, what WMD did we find? Where are the tools for that mushroom cloud? Conventional expolsives, which are killing out troops now, are not WMD. Cut the bullshit.
If ther is a lack of tangible answers, look to the party in power for that lack. WHile North Korea and Iraq were bad actors during the Clinton era, they were contained. The restart of the N. Korean nuclear program is on Bush’s head, as is that in Iran. We have squandered internatioal support and the rogue actors are running free.
In another thread rhp6033— 6/22/06@ 8:17 am said:
“And I don’t accept your premise about Haditha. The difference is, I’m willing to consider the need for an investigation and trial, if warranted, rather than a knee-jerk reaction that “OUR TROOPS would NEVER do THAT!”. The military has already indicated, from their initial investigation, that there may be some substance to the allegations. The Iraqis (and the world) already assume that atrocities were committed, without any help from the Democrats, with the resulting damage to American influence throughout the Muslim world. That’s the real problem created by current U.S. policies (or lack of management) which Abu Grahib, Guantanimo, and CIA flights of suspects to countries who can torture with impunity, etc. – it makes all other charges more believable. The Bush administration – and Cheany & Rumsfield in particular – believe that to win this war, we have to get as dirty as our opponants. They don’t recognize that when that happens, the terrorists have already won.”
Let me ask this: ” These Marines were in the hotbed of the Sunni Triangle. They were being shot at. A sunni comes out and says this and that. The liberal media immediately say wow he MUST be telling the truth. John Murtha condemns them before their trial. Typical democrats guilty before proven innocent. Now anytime the Marines start kicking islamofascist asses they will run to the press and claim atrocities by killing their own people and blaming us. See what this gets us liberals? Dead American soldiers!
BTW liberals, do you know what the Iraqi police do to the bad guys? D E C A P I T A T I O N! IT’S THE ONLY LANGUAGE THEY KNOW!
Those two tradically killed soldiers died because they fell for a trap. Fake attack drew off the majority of the force leaving behing three green troops. THey were surrounded and captured and killed. Their attackers are evil people. Our troops were negilgently putinto that position. WHy no answetr to my questions at 35? Why did we go in there with inadequate planning and inadequate supplies?
Let’s repeat this about LeftTurd:
Just a reminder that today, like every day, hero of the right, drug addict Lush Flimbaugh is peeing into a cup for LeftTurd Blossom to drink that yellow nectar!
Let’s repeat this again about LeftTurd:
Just a reminder that today, like every day, hero of the right, drug addict Lush Flimbaugh is peeing into a cup for the local hero of the left LeftTurd Blossom, to drink that yellow nectar!
@ 44- And is that what we went in there to establish? THen explain to me how it will be better than Saddam? Yes he was evil. Do we expect to leave something better, where the police decapitate? And where Islamic law irules the land. What exactly are we hoping to accomplish?
Poor sh*thead at 47. Lush Flimbaugh was probably his entry drug to a lifelong addiction to wingnuttery.
BTW liberals, do you know what the Iraqi police do to the bad guys? D E C A P I T A T I O N! IT’S THE ONLY LANGUAGE THEY KNOW!
Is that after a trial and verdict by a jury of peers? Something that would happen in a democracy under the rule of law?
Sounds like this sh*thead is envious.
Bad guys Clueless! Al Qaeda types Clueless. The problem with Clueless types, everyone is so good. Clueless navigate to Michaelsavage.com. Watch the Berg beheading. These people need a trial by their peers? WTF Clueless? You are Clueless!!!
51 – Hey sh*thead – take a trip to Iraq and look for the WMD. We know you’ll find it. Just ask Saddam and while you’re at it dig out the 9/11 support and the links to Al Qaeda, but watch that road from the airport – it’s a doozy..
The author at the stranger is a liar. The death tax affects 250 new estates every year, not 250 estates in the state of Washington as the author claims.
250 estates a year and the population of Washington is like 6.2 million or so? That’s a really widespread effect. Will you admit the paid signature gatherers were lying out their asses?
I passed some signature gatherers for I-920 with a table set up in front of the Houghton Thriftway the other day. They were flagging down anyone with grey hair and trying to convince them that the estate tax would take away all their retirement benefits.
Somebody should ask Rubberstamp Reichert whether he sent a donation to Operation Helmet to save the life of an American soldier in Afghanistan or Iraq. I did! I’ll bet he didn’t, and he doesn’t hug rabbits, either. He’s as useless in Congress as he was on the Green River Task Force.
Estate tax opponents have always been egregious liars. The last time Washington had estate tax repeal on the ballot, they put up billboards showing granny in her rocking chair on the curb in front of her little cottage with the white picket fence. What a crock! If this POS gets on the ballot, we should put up billboards depicting millionaires lighting illegally imported Cuban cigars with $100 bills.
Roger,
Even if a guy is a total jerk, if he builds a fortune in his lifetime (or even if he just adds to something he inherited), he has a right to leave the wealth to whomever he chooses.
DO YOU SUPPORT THE TROOPS?
Roger Rabbit does! I sent $99 to OPERATION HELMET
I sent money to the Wounded Warrior Project, but I’m glad to see you’re supporting the folks inthe military.
@54 250 estates a year and the population of Washington is like 6.2 million or so?
Yes, if you live paycheck to paycheck, the estate tax probably won’t take anything from you. $2 million is not a unrealistic amount for even a middle class employee. $2 million is the goal I have for how much I want to retire on, and I am by no means rich.
I ran into the signature-gatherers at QFC in Bellevue last weekend. A couple of interesting things I noticed:
(1) I was with my boss, a Japanese national who speaks English with a noticeable accent. The signature gatherer asked if he was a Washington voter. He didn’t understand her question. She told him he should sign the peitition anyway, and register to vote later.
(2) At another entrance to the store (just a few feet away), another signature gatherer was going on to some elderly gentleman about “double taxation”, and how businesses and family farms are going bankrupt because of the “death tax”, and how it requires “every estate to go into probate, costing hundreds of thousands in lawyers’ fees”. I called him on it, pointed out that family farms are exempt from the tax, and asked him why he was lying. He started shouting -very loudly, about I DON”T KNOW THE FACTS, I SHOULD QUIT LISTENING TO THE LYING MEDIA, AND TAKE HIS WORD FOR IT BECAUSE HE HAS INVESTIGATED IT THOROUGHLY AND HE KNOWS WHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT.
The next ten minutes were kind of fun. I asked him if he had ever read the RCW provisions for the estate tax, as I had. I asked him if he supported the repeal of the federal estate tax also (he did). Then I asked him who was going to pay for the taxes lost, and he used the tired old “there’s enough fraud and waste in government” argument, so I asked him specifically which programs he was going to repeal, or which other taxes he was going to raise, to make up the repeal of the estate tax. He started to wimper again about “double taxation”, and I pointed out that we all pay multiple taxes – on income, on sales, on property, for car rentals & hotels, etc., so why should those taxes be increased so those with large estates pay less? Is it a good ideat to increase taxes on the middle class (income, sales tax, etc.) so the rich heirs can pay less? Just in case the crowd that assembled nearby didn’t get the point, I asked him why the petitions were unfairly labeled – they should be labeled THE PARIS HILTON TAX RELIEF ACT. That got a good chuckle.
I should have stuck around for the rest of the afternoon, and spoiled his day, but I had to go. As I was getting into my car, once again, I heard him shouting to new passers-by…. “NO DOUBLE TAXATION”. I guess getting the bucks for signature on paper is more important than knowing your subject.
Actually, I wouldn’t mind having a careful revision of the estate tax to take into the account the inflation in housing prices. The tax could provide an exemption for the decedent’s principle residence (up to 500K, for example), and an automatic CPI increase each year (or one more specifically tied to housing prices). Even Gregoire has indicated that the estate tax is worth looking at, given the effects of inflation.
But even with such a revision, don’t expect the proponants of estate-tax repeal to change their tune.
rhp6033,
In the long run, the estate tax issue will be worked out through compromise. It will not be eliminated (as I would like), but there will be changes for the very reasons you mention above.
I could support a change that would allow anyone to leave some amount of wealth to any single individual without any taxes due. For example, let’s say the amount in question is $1,000,000. A person could leave up to that amount to any single individual without any taxation. Any amount over the $1,000,000 left to an individual would be taxed at one flat rate, say 10% or 20% of the excess. Therefore, a person with a $5,000,000 estate could pass his or her entire estate to five individuals provided he or she left no more than $1,000,000 to each person. This exemption amount would of course have to be indexed for inflation and adjusted over time, just as a lot of things in the tax code are adjusted.
I think this idea is a good compromise between those who wish to repeal estate taxes entirely and thouse who want to have heavy estate taxation. Leaving $1,000,000 to a son or daughter is not enough to establish a family dynasty (like the Rockefellers), yet is allows for many folks whose wealth is tied-up in their homes and family businesses to pass the wealth to their heirs intact.
What do you think?
DYNASTY!!!
That’s the ticket!!!
Repeal of the Estate Tax: THE DYNASTY PRESERVATION ACT!!!
For all you old Dynasty fans from the eighties.. Any of you wingnuts ever go to Dynasty parties at the frat or sorority?
For all you old Dynasty fans from the eighties.. Any of you wingnuts ever go to Dynasty parties at the frat or sorority?
Commentby For the Clueless— 6/23/06@ 9:25 am
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Yeah, that’s funny, but what do you think of my idea?
The same misrepresentations of the estate tax also occur on talk radio, trying to say all estates are taxed. So what’s new.
The limit in Washington State is estates over $2 million dollars. Family farms and timber lands are excluded if they represent over 50% of the estate, according to the PI.
Without an estate tax, large accumulations of wealth escape any taxation. Since the estate under $2 million dollars escapes taxation, it means any capital gains on either stocks or property pass tax free to the next generation.
While you are alive you pay capital gains tax on stock sales. But passing that on to heirs escapes taxation under $2 million. In truth probably a fairer way would be to have estate money you receive taxed at the same rates as the rest of your income. And the basis of your stock would be the purchase price, not the price at the time of death.
But we don’t have that, and those 250 estates each year in Washington State that exceed $2 million would pay nothing if I-920 passes. The Committee to Protect Our Children’s Legacy, which opposes I-920 says that repeal would gut the Education Legacy Fund of some $200 million per biennium.
The Education Legacy Fund is where all the collected Washington estate taxes goes. It helps fund State Needs Grants for tuition aid for some 10,000 Washington students It also helps fund reduced classroom size in our public schools and the Learning Assistance Program.
So you have a choice with letting the very wealthy when they die escape any taxation on their gains or helping fund education in our state. Letting the wealthy escape any taxation would result in more concentration of wealth in the hands of the few. It gives them a special tax break that allows them to accumulate more wealth that they have no incentive to reinvest in the economy. Funding education helps more people participate in the economy by getting a good education.
65 – Don’t think too much of it. Gimmicky and gimmicky leaves loopholes. The power to tax is the power to destroy and the estate tax should destroy CONCENTRATED wealth (nothing wrong with a diversity of wealthy people). CONCENTRATED wealth is a threat to both democracy and a healthy economy.
CONCENTRATED wealth is an aristocracy and anyone who has read some history knows how well that worked out.
CONCENTRATED wealth is an aristocracy and anyone who has read some history knows how well that worked out.
Commentby For the Clueless— 6/23/06@ 11:06 am
Yeah, but the current estate tax has done nothing to stop family dynasties. Heck, even the Kennedy’s are a rich family dynasty, and they’re about as liberal as rich white folks can get.
I think a more reasonable approach, which is hardly a gimmick, is to let those with wealth to pass on their wealth without taxation for amounts less than a certain amount PER HEIR. This meets your criteria of avoiding CONCENTRATION of wealth and supposts diversity (buzzword – sop for the liberals). Plus, my idea is about as simple as you can get. What’s not to like? Now we need to get the Dems and Reps to work out the details, but that’s another discussion for another thread.
If your argument in favor of the death tax is that it doesn’t hardly affect anyone, then would it really affect the budget if it were eliminated?
Liberarian, the problem with dividing it up “per heir” is that any good estate & tax lawyer will arrange so that their are enough heirs so that no tax will accrue. If there are not living persons, they will use trusts, corporations, etc. An example is the “generation skipping” tax strategies already used. Why give it to five children, when you can give it to the five children, five spouses of children, and then to their children (i.e., grandchildren) , and then to grandchildren’s spouses, and then into individual trusts for each of their “future great-grandchildren”, and so forth. It would take a bit of work, but I could easily see a 50 million dollar estate divided in ways which would frustrate any tax at all. And then we’d have to have enforcement investigation and litigation to determine who was the “beneficial owner” of the estates, and lots of appeals, regulations, and tax court decisions to determine where the proper line is in the matter.
I think the current method is simpler and better, if for no other reason is that the law is pretty well settled.
rhp6033,
The whole point of my idea is for the owner of the wealth to give it to whomever he or she chooses. Of course, that means he or she can essenutially “divide up” his or her estate so as to avoid estate taxation entirely, but in doing so, the wealth is divided among many as compared to a few.
If you think the current system is simpler, do a little investigation into estate planning services. The law profession has made millions creating credit shelter trusrts, by-pass trust, A-trusts, B-trusts, and other complicated plans for estate tax avoidance. Life insurance agents have made lots selling life insurance trusts. The acounting porfession has done very nicely handling estate taxation issues. Heck, all those folks stand to lose out big time if we had a simpler system.
My idea seems to be a good compromise between those who wish to entirely eliminate estate taxation and those who wish to have a rigorous tax in place. With my idea, people avoid estate taxes by passing their wealth on to more individuals, thereby “de-concentrating” wealth, and I believe this wealth re-distribution is one of the progressives’ major goals. Don’t progressives want to see wealth distributed?
Gee, not unlike Gregoire when she talks about lowering taxes.
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