You know, when Field & Stream starts editorializing against the Bush administration… the Republicans are neck-deep in their own shit.
Rod and gun in hand, and backing the Second Amendment right to own firearms, President George W. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney have won the hearts of America’s sportsmen. Yet the two men have failed to protect outdoor sports on the nation’s public lands. With deep ties to the oil and gas industry, Bush and Cheney have unleashed a national energy plan that has begun to destroy hunting and fishing on millions of federal acres throughout the West, setting back effective wildlife management for decades to come.
This is Field & Stream for chrisakes.
That’s why the governors of Wyoming and Montana are Democrats. In fact, Montana Gov. Brian Schweitzer brought a coalition of enviros and guys who like to hunt and fish together to fight for sensible enviro laws.
Goldy you have to be kidding this writer is from the far left and he is expressing his own political opinions at the expense of the Field and Streams.
http://www.kerasote.com/catchdeny.html
“Catch and Deny”
Heart of Home 2003
by Ted Kerasote
Jack Turner, who looks like a cross between a jolly medieval monk and the Buddha, gave up trout fishing because of birds.
“It was in Berkeley;’ he says, “maybe ’88 or ’89. I heard this recording done .by the Royal Academy or someone like that. It was of fish being caught and trying to escape. You didn’t have to be an expert to know that these were creatures in distress. The only thing I could think of was birds:’
It’s after dinner, and we’re standing on the town square of Jackson, Wyoming, which is virtually empty because it’s April and off-season. Turner, one of the principal guides at the Exum School of Mountaineering, based just north of town in Grand Teton National Park, wears his usual tweedy coat, T-shirt, and shortly trimmed white beard, making him look both weathered and wise. Besides having led hundreds of climbers up the Grand Teton, Turner is also known for his mountain explorations (he was the first American to reach the north side of K2), his retrospects of the early days of Yosemite climbing, and lately his lyric writings on everything from Buddhism to the lives of white pelicans. He has also been a fishing junkie since the age of four.
“Trout, eels, everything,” he says. His grandfather was halfowner of a Pennsylvania fishing and hunting lodge, and Turner grew up with a rod in his hand before turning to the mountains and teaching philosophy. It was his bent for philosophy, for making unusual connections and disquieting comparisons, that finally caught up to him.
Klake @ 2: Typical right wing loonatic response–attack the messenger. Why am I not suprised? The fact that Field & Stream gave him a platform to express this “far left” viewpoint means nothing to you? What, you think he held a gun to their heads and made them print his essay?
Sigh.
Naw, klakker thinks F&S prints things the editors don’t read.
The fact that Field & Stream gave him a platform to express this “far left” viewpoint means nothing to you? What, you think he held a gun to their heads and made them print his essay?
Sigh.
Commentby Proud To Be An Ass— 4/14/06@ 9:55 am
Proud To Be An Ass point well made but that is the problem with the Seattle two newspapers. Now they are not good for wrapping fish in today. Both are looking at bankruptcy and a declining readership due to subject matter and catering to a declining market.
Naw, klakker thinks F&S prints things the editors don’t read.
Commentby Voter Advocate— 4/14/06@ 10:01 am
Dean Logan what makes you think the editor knows what he is reading?
You’re really short-sighted as far as identifying cause and effect.
Newspapers all over the country have been suffering reduced readership for years. There are books published covering all the causes, but catering to the readership of the target market isn’t one of them.
GEORGE BUSH IS PRESIDENT!GEORGE BUSH IS PRESIDENT!GEORGE BUSH IS PRESIDENT!GEORGE BUSH IS PRESIDENT!GEORGE BUSH IS PRESIDENT!GEORGE BUSH IS PRESIDENT!GEORGE BUSH IS PRESIDENT!GEORGE BUSH IS PRESIDENT!GEORGE BUSH IS PRESIDENT!GEORGE BUSH IS PRESIDENT!GEORGE BUSH IS PRESIDENT!GEORGE BUSH IS PRESIDENT!GEORGE BUSH IS PRESIDENT!GEORGE BUSH IS PRESIDENT!GEORGE BUSH IS PRESIDENT!GEORGE BUSH IS PRESIDENT!GEORGE BUSH IS PRESIDENT!GEORGE BUSH IS PRESIDENT!GEORGE BUSH IS PRESIDENT!GEORGE BUSH IS PRESIDENT!
And guess what KLOWNS??!!!
George Bush is President until 2008…..and won’t run again!!
I’m a Conservative who doesn’t happen to think Bush is a Conservative….like Clinton, Bush is a Trotskyite.
However I fail to see the Dems putting forth any viable candidates at this point. I don’t consider Algore, Hillary & Kerry as candidates that will somehow “heal” our nation.
The hate of the LUNATIC LEFTISTS (that means you KLOWNS on this Blog) is blinding you to a legitimate opportunity. You would be much better served to develop & push a very, very specific agenda.
The problem is, you don’t have one that the majority of folks can get behind. In fact, you KLOWNS have no real agenda at all! It’s shallow, hollow & deceitful promises. Instead, you focus on hate, fear-mongering and out-and-out lunacy in your quest for “power”.
Refocus….cuz:
GEORGE BUSH IS PRESIDENT!GEORGE BUSH IS PRESIDENT!GEORGE BUSH IS PRESIDENT!GEORGE BUSH IS PRESIDENT!GEORGE BUSH IS PRESIDENT!GEORGE BUSH IS PRESIDENT!GEORGE BUSH IS PRESIDENT!GEORGE BUSH IS PRESIDENT!GEORGE BUSH IS PRESIDENT!GEORGE BUSH IS PRESIDENT!GEORGE BUSH IS PRESIDENT!GEORGE BUSH IS PRESIDENT!GEORGE BUSH IS PRESIDENT!GEORGE BUSH IS PRESIDENT!GEORGE BUSH IS PRESIDENT!
And then, in January, 2009….Bush will be a “former” President. He’s not running again you feeble-minded PINHEADS!!!
what makes you think the editor knows what he is reading? Commentby Klake— 4/14/06@ 10:06 am
F&S appears to be satifying its target audience, since it has been published all my life, and probably for decades before.
I con’t know which is the more amazing assumption on your part — that the editors don’t read copy or that they don’t understand what they read.
Either way, klakker, your stance is completely nonsensical.
And, again, Mr. Comical weighs is claiming that he isn’t much of a fan of GWB. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
It was predicted that the rats would start jumping that ship several weeks ago.
When are you going to start scrambling down the anchor line, klakker?
CYNICAL CLOWN: “Bush is a Trotskyite.”
By far the funniest remark you have ever posted here. Insanely wrong, mind you, but hilarious.
Let’s get why F&S put the article in their pages, shall we?
For example, in Wyoming, Montana, Utah, Colorado, and New Mexico, the Bureau of Land Management has approved over 75 percent of the energy industry’s applications for exemptions to work in critical winter range, heretofore closed to protect wildlife—sage grouse, mule deer, and pronghorns, in particular (the Federal Land Policy Management Act of 1976 gave agencies the means to close critical habitat).
The results of these actions—billed as promoting national energy security—have begun to turn vast tracts of the western United States into industrial landscapes. The winners are the energy companies, which have been able to acquire their leases for as little as $2 per acre. The casualties are big game, upland birds, cold- and warmwater fisheries, the traditional interests of hunters and anglers, and the economic welfare of communities whose livelihoods are based on outdoor recreation and ranching.
Pretty soon, those shots of Montana in “A River Runs Through It” will be all that’s left, like in “Solient Green”.
#8. MRS. CYNICAL BOTH BUSH AND CHENEY ARE DRAFT EVADERS WHO DO YOU BELIEVE ABOUT THE WAR IN IRAQ? MILITARY LEADERS OR DRAFT EVADERS BUSH AND CHENEY?
It is unprecedented for former military brass to rise up and denounce the Secretary of Defense in such scathing terms and call for his resignation.
The extraordinary “Revolt of the Generals” continued yesterday with another high-ranking senior military leader calling for Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld’s head.
Retired two-star Maj. Gen. John Batiste, who commanded the Big Red One – the Army’s 1st Infantry Division – in Iraq until November, said Rumsfeld must go for ignoring and intimidating career officers.
Batiste was adding his voice to a chorus already made up of retired Marine Gen. Anthony Zinni, former head of the U.S. Central Command; retired Army Maj. Gen. Paul Eaton, who oversaw training of Iraqi forces, and retired Marine Corps Lt. Gen. Gregory Newbold, former director of operations for the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
“You know, it speaks volumes that guys like me are speaking out from retirement about the leadership climate in the Department of Defense,” Batiste told CNN
BOTH GEORGE W. BUSH AND DICK “DUCK” CHENEY (DICK CHENEY DUCKED THE DRAFT FIVE TIMES) ARE DRAFT EVADERS.
WHO DO YOU BELIEVE ABOUT THE WAR IN IRAQ MRS. CYNICAL THE PARTISANS OR THE MILITARY LEADERS OR DRAFT EVADERS BUSH AND CHENEY?
Six Retired Generals With Major War Responsibilities Have Called on Rumsfeld to Resign as the Architect of the Iraq Military Disaster.
Who are You Going to Believe: These Military Leaders or Draft Evaders Cheney and Bush?”
IT IS A SIGN OF HOW DEEPLY FLAWED AND FAILED THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION IRAQ WAR POLICY AND ANTI-TERRORISM EFFORTS HAVE BEEN THAT IT HAS COME DOWN TO THIS: AMERICANS AND THEIR ELECTED OFFICIALS MUST CHOOSE BETWEEN EXPERIENCED MILITARY ANALYSIS AND ADVICE OF THE MILITARY LEADERSHIP WITH WARTIME EXPERIENCE OR THE STUBBORN PARTISAN BELIEFS OF TWO DRAFT EVADERS WITH NO WARTIME EXPERIENCE. DICK (FIVE TIME DRAFT EVADER) AND NO WAR TIME EXPERIENCE GEORGE W. BUSH.
ADD TO THAT, DONALD RUMSFELD WHO SERVED IN THE MILITARY BUT NEVER HAD COMBAT EXPERIENCE.
In whose hands do you think America is safer in terms of wars: the generals or the DRAFT EVADERS AND BUMBLERS at Bush Inc?
PUT PARTISANSHIP ASIDE IS AMERICA SAFER WITH BUSH? NO.
Pretty soon, those shots of Montana in “A River Runs Through It” will be all that’s left, like in “Solient Green”.
Commentby Voter Advocate— 4/14/06@ 10:28 am
Dean Logan they will be eating off your dead ass like beef jerkey. How was Italy Dean?
“… and we talked about some old friends, and drank ourselves some beers”
klakker, still irrelevant, after all these years.
Roger Rabbit is a hunter! Roger hunts dogs! RR loves to chase dogs! Republicans are rapidly destroying dog habitat. By the time Republicans get through with the environment, Planet Earth won’t be fit for a dog! Then there will be no more dog hunting. (sigh)
A fundamental fixation of contemporary American conservatism is a fantasy about rigid masculinity, that somehow only the misogyinistic chest-pounders of the right wing truly represent American males. This fixation produces the oft-repeated nonsense about liberalism equating wimpiness. Getting anglers and hunters to see past this fantasy is not easy, but is starting to happen. One hunting and fishing group of which I’m a member, the Montana Wildlife Federation, does a helluva job in Montana of pointing out that Republican policies not only lead to depletion of fish and game, but by privatizing public lands in the West, will ultimately leave us nowhere to fish and hunt. At some point, self-interest for those who love the outdoors, and who love to get out there and prey upon God’s lesser creatures,makes apparent that the Republican party is anti-hunting and anti-fishing. Way to go, F & S!
Of course, the president of Exxon has to increase his salary from $69M a year and his pension fund of $400M, so GWB has to make sure he gets to ruin our public lands to extract petroleum we should be retaining.
No amount of greed is too obscene for Republicans.
Bush failed to listen to the generals when this Iraq business started. He used too few troops, and it has gone on too long, and now everybody’s sick of it.
If we’re not going to wage war to beat the crap out of the enemy util he quits fighting, then there’s no point in fighting.
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“A fundamental fixation of contemporary American conservatism is a fantasy about rigid masculinity, that somehow only the misogyinistic chest-pounders of the right wing truly represent American males.”
The fact none of them have been laid in the last 10 years should give them a clue about what women think of chest-pounding males.
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“Bush failed to listen to the generals when this Iraq business started. He used too few troops, and it has gone on too long, and now everybody’s sick of it. Commentby Libertarian— 4/14/06@ 11:00 am”
Geez, Liber, that’s what I’ve been saying in these threads for over a year! Welcome aboard! I’m gonna sue you for plagiarism.
The pump is primed for a conservative democrat. Can it be delivered or will the Democratic Party continue its mis-read of what the public wants? Stop dithering with Hillary and Kerry and take a hard look at Bill Richardson and Evan Bayh. They are the future viability of your party.
18.
We did beat the crap out of the enemy, we simply didn’t follow the shelved State Department plan to replace the civil infrastructure once we had destoyed what exited before.
The Defense Department has an incompetent leader, given his free reign by and incompetent president.
22. “what existed before”
“an incompetent president”
Roger & Voter Advocate,
I believe we all agree that it’s time to end this Iraqi adventure. Sooner rather than later. We are learning, as did the British Empire, that projecting power into foreign lands is a very, very costly endeavor. It can bankrupt a country.
RR @ 19
Blue balls is a wretched condition, which plainly does explain much of the bitterness and warmongering of Republicans. If you can’t get laid, going out and shooting somebody takes the edge off, I suppose. Even when they do get laid, you know it’s only for procreational purposes, and how much fun can that be?
25.
Today’s the first day for the replacement for Andy Card, Josh Bolton. Speaking of Republican non-procreational sex.
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“If we’re not going to wage war to beat the crap out of the enemy util he quits fighting, then there’s no point in fighting. Commentby Libertarian— 4/14/06@ 11:00 am”
I have to say that Libertarian isn’t much of a military strategist. The additional troops the generals wanted were not for fighting, but so there would be NO FIGHTING. They would have been used to seal the borders. This would deprive the so-called “insurgents” of weapons, resupply, and reinforcements from across Iraq’s borders and limited their war-making ability to indigenous personnel and materiel on hand when the conflict started. Secondly, a heavier troop presence would have discouraged resistance; there might not have been an insurgency at all if the Iraqi elements opposed to U.S. occupation were faced with such an overwhelming military presence that resistance would be futile. A weak force, on the other hand, invites attack.
In Vietnam, civilians overruled the military professionals and did everything wrong, although the commanders were idiots, too. Especially Westmoreland. The U.S. tactic was to find the enemy by walking around until you got shot at. This allowed the enemy to decide whether to engage, to choose the terms and conditions of engagement, and to disengage at will; and, as well, always gave away to the enemy the advantages of surprise and favorable terrain (U.S. soldiers usually had to fight uphill), and often allowed him to fortify and otherwise prepare the battlefield. The predictable result was that nearly all Vietnam battles were inconclusive, and the enemy was able to sustain his war effort indefinitely. This enabled a patient enemy to wait out America’s occupation of South Vietnam, then take over the country immediately after we left.
While the terrain and tactics are different in Iraq, we face a similar strategic situation there. We have given the enemy freedom of movement, open borders through which to rearm, resupply, and reinforce, and above all, we have given the enemy the initiative. He attacks us where and when he will, avoids pitched battles, and disengages at will when fighting is disadvantageous to him, thereby surviving to fight another day and being able to pick the time and place of battle. Once again, stupid civilians overruled the professionals, with predictable results.
And the stupid trollfucks don’t even realize America has already lost the war in Iraq. They don’t know a losing war or a lost cause when they see one. They don’t even know what the fucking mission is! Neither do I — is there one? Saddam is out of power, there are no WMDs, so what is the fucking mission? To win the hearts and minds of Iraqi civilians? To steal Iraq’s oil? We don’t seem to be making much headway with either. Righty trollfucks are too stupid to put two-and-two together to realize that you don’t get people on your side by bombing their homes, killing their women and children, and arresting and torturing them! WHY THE FUCK ARE WE STILL THERE? Hang Saddam and get the hell out.
The Iraq debacle was completely predictable (and was predicted), yet there are still die hard Bushies trying the justify spending $2 trillion and the immense blood letting.
Obscene greed mixed with extreme stupidity. A bad combo.
I have to say that Libertarian isn’t much of a military strategist.
Commentby Roger Rabbit— 4/14/06@ 11:26 am
Maybe my comments are simplistic, but it boils down to this: doing a half-assed job results in half-assed acomplishments, if you’re lucky, and disaster if you’re not lucky.
And if the goal was to hang Saddam, a special ops team of a few well-trained men could have accomplished that goal in six hours with a total cost to welcher “provider” taxpayers like Gay Mark Redneck (oops, sorry, he undoubtedly cheats on his taxes, but you get the idea) of perhaps $1,000,000.
The Iraq conflict will be seen by history as the single biggest scam to take public monies and hand them to private companies in the history of the world. And the public, and especially the small-weenied right, fell for it. Way to go, guys.
Why is everybody picking on me? Sure, I’m a corrupt mendacious hypocrite, but I got lots of looooooooooooooove for y’all!!!!!
Stick it to me, tookie!!!! I looooooooooooooove it all over.
24. Libertarian
That’s the smartest thing you’ve ever written. Now, if we could just change your brain-dead ideas about taxes…
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Good one, Cyn. You take the cake, Buddy.
On the surface, sportsmen — hunters and fishermen — ought to be FOR Democrats, because it’s the Democrats who protect the environment necessary for game and fish habitat, it’s Democrats who fight for union jobs and family wages — these are expensive sports, and you can’t pursue them on a Third World income — and it’s Republicans who help the oil companies pick sportsmen;s pockets at the pump (most hunting and fishing is far from urban centers, and gas for travel, not to mention gas for boats, ATVs, and other sportsman toys is a major expense in these sports).
But Democrats have stupidly pandered to the anti-gun crowd, and Republicans have brilliantly exploited sportsmen’s irrational but nonetheless real fears of having their guns confiscated. Yes, there are a few liberals who oppose gun ownership and would like to confiscate all privately owned guns, but they’re just pissing in the wind — and playing right into the Republicans’ hands by giving all Democrats a bad name among sportsmen!
Some years ago, Washington voted on an initiative to require handgun registration, and training for handgun owners. It lost at the polls by a 3-to-1 margin, and even lost heavily in heavily Democratic King County! Now, it’s obvious that 75% of Washington’s voters aren’t Republicans, or we wouldn’t have Democrats holding both houses of the legislature, both U.S. Senate seats, 2/3rds of the state’s House delegation, and 7 of 9 statewide elective offices. It’s OBVIOUS that a TON of Democrats voted AGAINST the gun-control initiative! And, if you stop to think about it, it OUGHT to be obvious that sportsmen — who typically are blue-collar guys — ought to be part of Democrats’ natural constituency. For one thing, if RepubliCON environmental depradations continue, eventually there won’t be any place left to hunt or fish!
Republicans are converting public lands to private ownership.
Republicans are blocking public access to public lands.
Republicans want to log public forests as fast as possible.
Republicans want to deregulate the pollution that kills forests and lakes (acid rain) and fouls water (lakes, rivers, aquifers).
Republicans are giving developers a green light to drain wetlands (no wetlands = no birds or game).
So why would ANY sportsman vote for any RepubliCON? Because the RepubliCONS have pried these voters away from the Democratic Party by demagoging the gun issue. And stupid Democrats who pander to tiny minorities with quixotic agendas like the gun-confiscation bunch or anti-hunting/anti-fishing animal rights extremists are helping the Republicans fan sportsmen’s fears and are driving them away from the Democratic party.
Stupid, stupid, stupid. Every bit as stupid as helping the Republicans win elections by refusing to vote for Democratic candidates who don’t satisfy some litmus test or other.
Yes, some liberals are dummies, when it comes to electoral strategy. They bite off their own dick to spite their dick! And sportsmen are right up there with them. They’re throwing away the environment, without which there will be no hunting or fishing, to spite the liberal dummies — and screwing themselves in the process.
There seems to be plenty of stupidity to go around — and, unlike land, they’re making more of it.
I’m pretty sure some of my liberal pals are going to give me shit over that last post. Stop! Not so fast! THINK BEFORE YOU PUT YOUR TYPING FINGERS IN GEAR! You couldn’t control guns no matter how much you wanted to; there’s more guns than people in this country, and any attempt to require gun registration would result in nearly universal civil disobedience. And WHY should you even WANT gun control? We need MORE guns, not LESS guns! That’s because rightwing nuts who think Armageddon is just around the corner — and, if it doesn’t get here soon enough, are eager to make it happen — are armed to the teeth! Moreover, they think they have all the guns! That’s not quite true, but it’s way the hell too true. Liberals need to change their mindset. Clear that gun control nonsense out of your head! Learn to love guns, and above all, buy guns! Those fuckers are armed, and they want to exterminate us!
LIBERALS MUST ARM!
“24. Libertarian … That’s the smartest thing you’ve ever written. Commentby Karl Marx— 4/14/06@ 11:47 am”
You may want to revise that assessment after reading my post #27. In any event, I encourage you to read #27 before you jump to conclusions. Libertarian is no strategist, and he’s no tactician, either. I wouldn’t want him in MY foxhole, and I sure as hell wouldn’t want him to be my COMMANDING OFFICER.
Bushes, Cheneys Get Whopping Tax Bills [Hey Commie Libs…. Compare this to Al Gore’s $437 to charity on earned income of 4 to 5 hundred grand. I wonder if Hillary is still deducting Bill’s used BVDs???? hehe…Fuck you, Democrats!!! JCH]
WASHINGTON — President Bush reported adjusted gross income of $735,180 for last year, on which he paid $187,768 in federal taxes, according to the president’s return released Friday by the White House.
In 2004, the president and first lady Laura Bush reported $784,219 in adjusted gross income and paid $207,307 in federal income taxes.
On their 2005 return the Bushes listed as income his presidential salary – about $400,000 – and investment income from trusts that hold their assets.
The White House also released the 2005 tax return filed by Vice President Dick Cheney and his wife, Lynne. According to the return, the Cheneys have overpaid their taxes this year and are entitled to a refund of about $1.9 million.
The couple contributed $75,560 to churches and charitable organizations, about $2,200 less than last year. Those included the American Red Cross and the Salvation Army’s funds for hurricane relief in the United States and Pakistan; Martha’s Table, which provides food and services to the underprivileged in the Washington area; the Archdiocese of New Orleans Catholic Charities; and the Mississippi Food Network.
The Bushes paid $26,172 in state property taxes on their ranch near Crawford, Texas, up about $4,000 from the year before.
The Cheneys reported adjusted gross income of nearly $8.82 million, which was largely the result of exercising stock options that had been set aside in 2001 for charity.
The Cheneys donated just under $6.87 million to charity from the stock options and royalties from Mrs. Cheney’s books. That left about $1.9 million in income on which the Cheney’s owed $529,636 in taxes.
Over the year, the Cheneys paid $2,468,566 in taxes through withholding and estimated tax payments. As a result, the Cheneys are entitled to a refund of $1,938,930.
Reread number 37, commie libs!! Fuck you!!! “Tookie” fuck you, too!!! Enjoy your Democrat HIV AIDS homo queer anal sex in Seattle and San Francisco!!!
Hey libs…Tookie is still voting Democrat in 06!!!
AIDs HIV Democrats run up millions in medical bills, and if anyone bitches, they are racist [or is it sexist???] hehe……Fuck you Democrat queers!!!
This is a good postin’. Enjoy. Then do something about it. Please.
The last thirty odd years has been the big screw. Regular people have not seen any wage increases, and have taken on debt, while the rich have gorged themselves till the money they bought by corrupting politicians has left them morally corpulent and without the least regard for their fellow citizens. Feeling that nothing they do matters, a near majority of US citizens don’t even bother to vote – why bother when both the choices will simply vote for the interests of those who bought them years ago?
The first step to fixing all this is just to admit it. Yeah, there has been a class war and the rich won. The majority of Americans have spent the last thirty years being trickled on, and being told they should like it, beg for it, ask for more, and show gratitude for it to their betters.
The last class war was lost by ordinary Americans. The next war, the question of the next twenty years, is about whether the rich get to keep it all, and the middle class gets to pay off all the US’s debts, while giving up good wages, their pensions and any chance at decent healthcare.
Which side are you going to be on? Because there are only going to be two sides, in the end.
Oh yeah, I was gonna say something about Bush the Trotskyite. Far from being silly, that remark was right on the money — the neocons ARE recycled Trotskyites. Read this:
“GEORGE W. BUSH, TROTSKYITE
“Is the U.S. really launching a ‘global democratic revolution’?
“It’s just a coincidence that George W. Bush gave a speech announcing that the U.S. was leading a ‘global democratic revolution’ on the eve of Leon Trotsky’s birthday, but it is one that neatly illustrates the militant revolutionism at the core of American foreign policy in the post-9/11 era.
“The proximity to Trotsky’s birthday was fortuitous, but the venue of this revolutionary proclamation was not: it was a speech commemorating the twentieth anniversary of the founding of the National Endowment for Democracy (NED), the brainchild of neoconservative ideologues, many of whom have their roots on the Trotskyite Left. Having given up the dream of revolutionary socialism for the more practical project of global ‘democracy,’ the troublesome little sect of neoconservatives, not so affectionately known as ‘neocons,’ is at last having its moment in the sun.
“The NED was a sop thrown to the neocons during the Reagan administration, so they could have a little domain of their own, a small but strategically placed contingent of ‘Socialists for Reagan’ embedded deep in the bowels of the U.S. government. The first President of the group, Carl Gershman, was a longtime member of the Social Democrats, USA, formerly the Socialist Party, a group dominated by the legendary Max Shachtman. The founder of ‘third camp’ neo-Trotskyism, Shachtman broke with Trotsky in the 1940s and evolved, over the years, into a firm supporter of U.S. military intervention worldwide, while retaining – like Sidney Hook – his dedication to the ‘democratic’ socialist cause.”
And George W. Bush has embraced these COMMIES whole hog! Bet you thought George W. Bush was a conservative, didncha? The huge government spending, the massive deficits, the unconstitutional wiretapping of U.S. citizens on American soil all flew right over your trollfuck pointy heads, didn’t they? You trollfucks are clueless, CLUELESS. The Bush administration is full of fucking COMMIES!
Don’t take my word for it, read the rest of the article here http://www.antiwar.com/justin/j111003.html.
Maybe it’s copyrighted, maybe not, hell I don’t know and don’t care, I don’t worry about copyrights because I quote excerpts from published materials written by other under the “Fair Use Doctrine” and if you want to know whose copyright I’m not violating, look it up yourself!!! I’m not your fucking research assistant. I’m a fucking bunny.
BOCA GRANDE, Fla. — Death and taxes may be life’s only certainties, but for folks in this upscale island town, add iguanas. And another tax. In three decades, the resort community on Florida’s Gulf Coast has been overrun by the black, spiny-tailed, nonnative lizards that demolish gardens, nest in attics and weaken beach dunes with burrows…. (T)here are up to 12,000 iguanas on the loose, more than 10 for every year-round resident. [Democrats rush to register new iguana voters!!! Sign them up!! Count every vote!!!!!! hehe..fuck you, commie third world garbage libs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!]
Roger,
I don’t get it. In your comment at 20, you seemd to say complimentary things about Libertarian, then your comments went negative. Wha’t the deal?
Reread number 37, commie lib queer Democrats!!!!!!!!!!!
Speaking of fucking bunnies, have you noticed the recent upsurge in rabbit sightings at Green Lake Park? Especially baby rabbits? Who the hell says I DON’T WORK??? I work much harder than any of the trollfuck blathermouths (e.g., MTR, JCH, et al.) who SAY they work and PRETEND to work but devote themselves body and soul to making money off other people’s work. ROGER RABBIT WORKS HARD EVERY DAY TO MAKE SURE GLP DOESN’T RUN OUT OF CUTE FLUFFY BUNNIES despite the evil, un-Christian, animal-hating, environment-detroying trapping of rabbits by the Seattle Parks Department fascists!!! Who the fuck wants to live in a CONCENTRATION CAMP?!!
Roger Rabbit Enterprises: Our business is making cute fluffy bunnies 10 at a time!
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Well, I suppose you could imply a “compliment” from my statement that Libertarian FINALLY figured out what I’ve been saying for over a year, although saying that it took him a year to realize the obvious isn’t much of a compliment.
Funny no comments here about darcy being called a third tier candidate, with little chance to win.
But they did get the microsft executive part. How is it, if her actual title never included the term, that she gets to use it? I suspect the inflated title will come back to harm her, if it hasn’t already.
Peter Brimelow writes [04-13-06]: This is what Senator Edward Kennedy said when he was piloting the 1965 Immigration Act….
“First our cities will not be flooded with a million immigrants annually. Under the proposed bill, the present level of immigration remains substantially the same…Second, the ethnic mix of the country will not be upset…Contrary to the charges in some quarters, [the bill] will not inundate America with immigrants from any one country or area, or the most populated and deprived nations of Africa and Asia” [You can ALWAYS count on Democrat Teddy “Oldsmobile” Kennedy [D- Black Velvet] to be wrong. ALWAYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
37.
This wasn’t much of a story when it was first covered in 1998, and is even less so in 2006.
The explanation was and is that the Gore’s charitable contributions fluctuate from year-to-year, in some years they were in the $50,000 range.
Of course, this is the tension between the handout or hand-up approches.
This situation wasn’t what stole the presidency from Gore. That was accomplished by the Supreme Court.
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Not so, RR, I’m going to start visiting the shooting range in preparation for the coming hostilities.
Janet S:
Ms. Burner is not using the word “executive” as a title, but rather as a description. Under the common meaning of the word she was an executive at Microsoft. The fact that Microsoft may have had a category of positions classified “Executive” is irrelevant.
Of course, the irritating part of this is that the claim that Burner lied or over-stated her position will be repeated over and over by the wingnut echo chamber. If the charge is not challenged, it could stick, like the bogus claim that Gore said he “invented the Internet.”
37.
This wasn’t much of a story when it was first covered in 1998, and is even less so in 2006.
The explanation was and is that the Gore’s charitable contributions fluctuate from year-to-year, in some years they were in the $50,000 range.
Of course, this is the tension between the handout or hand-up approches.
This situation wasn’t what stole the presidency from Gore. That was accomplished by the Supreme Court.
Commentby Voter Advocate— 4/14/06@ 12:25 pm [Now, let’s pretend Newt or Ronald Reagan gave next to nothing to charity. You libs would be holwing about greeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed!!!!!! What a double standard!!!!!!! Classic!!! No wonder most Americans laugh at you dumb ass libs!!!!!!!!!!!
53.
Not so. In fact, I can’t recall that charitable donations were ever much of an issue.
If you want to look at some real Scrooges, check out coporate giving.
BIG OIL SUPPORTERS ARE COMMITTED TO DEFEATING MARIA CANTWELL FOR HER LEADERSHIP IN PROTECTING THE ARCTIC REFUGE AND PROMOTING REAL ENERGY INDEPENDENCE.
WE ARE SEEING BIG OIL $$$$ PUTTING THEIR SLIMY OILY PROFITS WHERE THEIR MOUTH USED TO BE BY HOSTING A $500,000 OILY FUNDRAISER IN ANCHORAGE, ALASKA FOR MARIA’S OPPONENT Republican Mike MCSAFECO’S big oil patrons know he would be a sure vote in the Senate for drilling in the Arctic Refuge and the rest of their anti-environment agenda.
Today is supposed to be a big day for Mike McGavick’s campaign. The huge checks coming in from these oil executives will be a welcome addition to the Republican’s campaign warchest, and McGavick will be on hand to collect them personally.
MIKE MCSAFECO MCGIVEME KOWTOWS TO SPECIAL INTERESTS. CANTWELL UNLIKE MIKE MCSAFECO MCGIVEME IS COMMITTED TO DEFEATING BIG OIL’S AGENDA $$$$ IN THE SENATE.
BIG OIL $$$$ IS HELPING MIKE MCSAFECO MCGIVEME AND DUCK (FIVE TIME DUCKED THE DRAFT) CHENEY IS COMING TO WASHINGTON STATE TO RAISE EVEN MORE MONEY FOR MARIA’S OPPONENT.
THIS SHOWS THE KIND OF RUBBER STAMP $$$$ RUBBER DUCK MCSAFECO IS RECEIVING. QUACK QUACK.
“No wonder most Americans laugh at you dumb ass libs!”
Wow, someone is not paying attention to the polls.
But then again [Just another Chicken Hawk] is not a part of the reality based community.
Good!
[Just another Chicken Hawk}
You know, we don’t come down to where you work and slap the dick out of your mouth.
But, since you brought up Reagan and immigration, isn’t it interesting that you attack Ted Kennedy and the ’65 immigration bill? After all, Ted was rigth, and it was not until Reagan’s amnesty bill that you had real problems.
Again, like the killing of the Marines in Lebanon, most of today’s problems trace their roots back to Reagan’s mistakes.
More Retired Generals Call for Rumsfeld’s Resignation
The widening circle of retired generals who have stepped forward to call for Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld’s resignation is shaping up as an unusual outcry that could pose a significant challenge to Mr. Rumsfeld’s leadership, current and former generals said on Thursday.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04.....ref=slogin
To: RR at 27:
Enjoyed your essay on the problems of the military strategy in Vietnam. However, I think we lost that war between 1963 and 1965, long before those strategy/tactics came into play. And the reason we lost is relevant to our current situation in Iraq.
In South Vietnam there were, roughly, four classes of people. The first were the buddist peasants which made up most of the population, especially in the countryside. The second were the merchants, many of Chinese descent, who formed a small middle class (mostly in the large cities). The third was the Catholic elite who controlled the government and the official army – many of them new to S. Vietnam, having fled N. Vietnam. The fourth class was the Montagnards (sp?) in the mountains, who were looked down upon by virtually everybody else, the “hillbillys” of Vietnam.
When the U.S. became involved in Vietnam, we listened to the Catholic elite. These were the ones who were the administrators to the former French colonial masters, and many could speak English as well as French. Our country formed its opinion of the conflict based upon their stories of oppression by the brutal Communists of the north. They assured us that most South Vietnamese would support a true democratic government, if only the U.S. would provide enough protection for them to safely show that support. So American troops were commmited, to buy time while the South Vietnamese army was trained and organized to deal with the Communists.
Because the initial troop count was limited, American advisors instituted a campaign to get tens of thousands of widely dispersed small villages to consolidate into larger ones which were more easily defended against the V.C. A “home guard” system of defense was set up to train the villagers to defend themselves against such incursions, and they were supplied with weapons to use in those efforts.
The whole effort was a dramatic failure. First of all, most of the rural S. Vietnamese had no interest in preserving the Catholic elite in Saigon. They hated them for their bribary and extortion attempts, their smug condensension as they looked down upon the peasants, and their connections to French imperialism. Second, even if a rural peasant wasn’t V.C. themselves, they probably had extended family members who were. They weren’t going to go shooting blindly at any V.C. who appeared in the night. Third, the consolidation of the rural villages forced the villagers from their ancestoral home and farmlands, surrendering the countryside to the V.C. and making hundreds of thousands of families permanant refugees. Fourth, the larger village chiefs and government beaurocrats considered the policy a godsend – it allowed them extort bribes and rent from the refugees, and to charge them for the materials which the Americans provided to build them homes. Fifth, and most importantly, the “home guard” turned into an excellent opportunity for the V.C. At a time when N. Vietnam was not exporting any arms to S. Vietnam due to economic difficulties, the Americans trained and armed a whole army of V.C. themselves. The villagers would slip off into the night as V.C., and return to the villages during the day to continue their life as farmers or refugees.
In the meantime, the S. Vietnamese government wasn’t fighting the Communists. That goal was reserved for the U.S. forces. Instead, the largest, most reliable portion of the S. Vietnamese army was stationed in Saigon to protect against an anti-government coup, and the remainder was fighting against private war-lords who had control of areas around Saigon.
So what the U.S. did was intervene in a civil war, taking the side of the rich elite (Catholics) and the poorest minority (Montagnards) against the majority of Buddist peasants. But they never realized this – and many today still don’t accept that our basic viewpoint of the war was flawed. We saw the situation the way we wanted to see it, because (in part) those with a self-interest in promoting our intervention fed us the intelligence we wanted to believe.
Now we also became involved in Iraq, in part, because Iraqi politicians who thought they could come to power with our assistance told Bush and his advisors what they wanted to believe -that there were weapons of mass destruction, that the Iraqi people would welcome us with open arms, etc. Instead, we find ourselves in the middle of the opening stages of a civil war between rival factions that really hate each other, although many groups are more than willing to try to manipulate the use of our troops for their own advantage.
This should not be a surprise to anyone – it was discussed prior to Gulf War I as being a reason why we should avoid a direct invasion of Iraq. At the time no invasion was considered possible, because (a) there was no support among our Muslim allies for invasion of Iraq, (b) there was no viable plan for governing a post-Saddam Iraq, and (c) the U.S. military didn’t want to get bogged down in a police action in an urban environment. None of these factors changed, but G.W. Bush went ahead anyway.
@54: Saint Ronnie was also a notorious piker when it came to charitable giving.
“Breaking”– Vice President Dick Cheney directed his then-chief of staff, I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby, on July 12, 2003 to leak to the media portions of a then-highly classified CIA report that Cheney hoped would undermine the credibility of former Ambassador Joseph C. Wilson
NEO CON REPUBLICANS HATE AMERICA AND SECURITY FOR AMERICA:
“Dick Cheney directed his then-chief of staff, I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby, on July 12, 2003 to leak to the media portions of a then-highly classified CIA report that Cheney hoped would undermine the credibility of former Ambassador Joseph C. Wilson, a critic of the Bush administration’s Iraq policy, according to Libby’s grand jury testimony in the CIA leak case and sources who have read the classified report.
There is a growing body of information showing that at the time Plame was outed the vice president was deeply involved in the effort to undermine her husband.”
“The March 2002 intelligence report was a debriefing of Wilson by the CIA’s Directorate of Operations after Wilson returned from a CIA-sponsored mission to Niger to investigate claims, later proved to be unfounded, that Saddam Hussein had attempted to procure uranium from the African nation, according to government records.”
“The previously unreported grand jury testimony is significant because only hours after Cheney reportedly instructed Libby to disclose information from the CIA report, Libby divulged to then-New York Times reporter Judith Miller and Time magazine correspondent Matthew Cooper that Plame was a CIA officer, and that she been involved in selecting her husband for the Niger mission.”
“Both Libby and Cheney have repeatedly insisted that the vice president never encouraged, directed, or authorized Libby to disclose Plame’s identity. In a court filing on April 12, Libby’s attorneys reiterated: “Consistent with his grand jury testimony, Mr. Libby does not contend that he was instructed to make any disclosures concerning Ms. Wilson [Plame] by President Bush, Vice President Cheney, or anyone else.”
“BUT THE DISCLOSURE THAT CHENEY INSTRUCTED LIBBY TO LEAK PORTIONS OF A CLASSIFIED CIA REPORT ON JOSEPH WILSON ADDS TO A GROWING BODY OF INFORMATION SHOWING THAT AT THE TIME PLAME WAS OUTED AS A COVERT CIA OFFICER THE VICE PRESIDENT WAS DEEPLY INVOLVED N THE WHITE HOUSE EFFORT TO UNDERMINE HER HUSBAND.” husband.
A spokesman for the vice president declined to comment. HA HA
DUCK CHENEY DUCKING OUT FIRST DUCKED OUT OF MILITARY SERVICE NOW DUCKS OUT OF COMMENTING.
On April 5, the special prosecutor in the CIA leak case, Patrick J. Fitzgerald, asserted in a court filing that Joseph Wilson’s July 6, 2003 op-ed piece in The New York Times criticizing the Bush administration’s Iraq policies “was viewed in the office of Vice President as a direct attack on the credibility of the Vice President (and the President) on a matter of signal importance: the rationale for the war in Iraq.”
Moreover, on July 12, 2003, the same day that Libby spoke to both Cooper and Miller, Libby and Cheney traveled aboard Air Force Two for the dedication of a new aircraft carrier in Norfolk, Va. During the flight either to or from Norfolk, Cheney, Libby, and Cathie Martin, then-assistant to the vice president for public affairs, discussed how they might rebut Wilson’s charges and discredit him, according to federal court records, and interviews with people with first-hand knowledge of accounts that all three provided to federal investigators.
It has long been known that Cheney was among the first people in the government to tell Libby that Plame worked for the CIA. The federal indictment of Libby — who has been charged with five counts of obstruction of justice, perjury, and making false statements to federal investigators in the CIA leak case — states: “On or about June 12, 2003, Libby was advised by the Vice President of the United States that Wilson’s wife worked at the Central Intelligence Agency in the Counterproliferation Division. Libby understood that the Vice President had learned this information from the CIA.”
Fitzgerald asserted that just days before Libby divulged Plame’s identity to Miller and Cooper on July 12, “Vice President Cheney, [Libby’s] immediate superior, expressed concerns to [Libby] regarding whether Mr. Wilson’s trip was legitimate or whether it was a junket set up by Mr. Wilson’s wife.” Although contained in a public court filing, this second conversation between Cheney and Libby had gone unreported.
The new disclosure about the CIA report further raises questions about the vice president’s role in directly authorizing the leak of classified information outside the formal declassification process. Last week it was reported that Libby also testified to the grand jury that Cheney told him that as part of the effort to rebut Wilson’s criticism, President Bush had authorized the leaking of portions of a then-classified National Intelligence Estimate concerning purported attempts by Iraq to develop nuclear weapons.
The Bush administration has asserted that presidents have the constitutional right to declassify information. Although vice presidents haven’t shared such authority, President Bush issued an executive order in March 2003 allowing Cheney to share such authority with him. According to Fitzgerald’s April 5 filing, Libby has also testified that in July 2003, then-Counsel to the Vice President David Addington “opined that Presidential authorization to publicly disclose a document amount to a declassification of the document.”
Jeffrey Smith, a former general counsel for the CIA, said in an interview, however, that while there are executive orders that apparently allow the vice president “on his own to determine what to declassify and to whom,” that authority should “not exempt him or anyone from exercising prudence or good judgment” in doing so. “You would want the president or the vice president to seek the views of the CIA or any other intelligence agencies… to make sure that there is no potential disclosing an intelligence source” or some other sensitive information.
Criticizing the decision to leak portions of the NIE, Rep. Jane Harman, D-Calif., the ranking member on the House Intelligence Committee, said last week: “Leaking classified information to the press when you want to get your side out or silence your critics is not appropriate. If I had leaked the information, I’d be in jail. Why should the president be above the law? I am stunned.”
In his grand jury testimony, according to Fitzgerald’s filing, Libby portrayed himself as a reluctant subordinate in July 2003 who took orders from higher ups. Libby “testified that he at first advised the Vice President that he could not have this conversation with [Judith] Miller because of the classified nature of the NIE,” said the special counsel’s filing. “[Libby] testified that the Vice President later advised him that the President had authorized [Libby] to disclose the relevant portions of the NIE.” It was during this time that Libby says he spoke to Addington on the matter.
Steve Aftergood, a senior research analyst with the Federation of American Scientists, who tracks government secrecy and classification issues, said that Libby “presents himself in this instance and others as being very scrupulous in adhering to the rules. He is not someone carried on by the rush of events. If you take his account before the grand jury on face value, he is cautious and deliberative in his behavior.
“That is almost the exact opposite as to how he behaves when it comes to disclosing Plame’s identity,” Aftergood said. “All of a sudden he doesn’t play within the rules. He doesn’t seek authorization. If you believe his account, he almost acts capriciously. You have to ask yourself why his behavior changes so dramatically, if he is telling the truth that this was not authorized and that he did not talk to higher-ups.”
Libby has insisted that the vice president never authorized or told him to discuss Plame’s identity. Although Libby discussed Plame with Miller and Cooper on July 12, 2003 — the same day he says he was authorized by Cheney to leak portions of the NIE and the CIA report — Libby insists the two actions are unrelated.
The new disclosure also raises the question whether President Bush or his aides knew that Cheney may have been deciding on his own to authorize the leaking of classified information. Senior government officials said that top Bush aides — including then-deputy National Security Adviser Stephen J. Hadley and White House Communications Director Dan Bartlett — were not aware that Cheney had authorized the disclosure of the CIA report on Wilson’s Niger mission. These officials raised the possibility that Bush himself was unaware at the time of Cheney’s action.
Regarding the release of Plame’s name and CIA employment, a senior administration official said that even if Cheney did not directly authorize Libby to leak the information to the press, the vice president might have set a climate in which his aides viewed it as routine to release classified information whenever it served their purposes.
The administration was interested in discrediting Wilson because the former ambassador asserted in his op-ed piece that he found no evidence in Niger to substantiate Bush administration claims that Saddam had attempted to purchase uranium from that country. Wilson alleged that the administration had misrepresented intelligence by making that claim in its case to go to war with Iraq. Six days after the Times published Wilson’s piece, Libby leaked Plame’s identity to Miller and Cooper.
Cheney and other Bush administration officials also believed that the CIA debriefing report might undermine Wilson’s claims because it showed that Wilson’s Niger probe was inconclusive on the uranium questions. Wilson was restricted on the persons he was able to interview in Niger, and he was denied some intelligence information before undertaking the trip.
In reportedly directing Libby to disclose portions of the March 2002 CIA report on Wilson’s mission, Cheney apparently kept in the dark a number of administration officials who were working to declassify that very same document.
According to Fitzgerald’s recent filing, Libby “testified that on July 12, 2003, he was specifically directed by the Vice President to speak to the press in the place of Cathie Martin (then the communications person for the Vice President) regarding the NIE and Wilson. [Libby] was instructed… to [also] provide information contained in a document [he] understood to be the cable authored by Mr. Wilson. During the conversations that followed on July 12 [Libby] discussed Ms. Wilson’s [CIA] employment with both Matthew Cooper (for the first time) and Judith Miller (for the third time).”
The purported Wilson cable refers to the classified CIA debriefing of Wilson, according to sources who have read the document. Wilson never himself authored a cable on his Niger mission. Rather, the CIA Directorate of Operations, which sent Wilson to Niger in February 2002, produced a March 8, 2002 report based on Wilson’s debriefing by intelligence officers. The report did not name Wilson, or even describe him as a former ambassador, but rather as a “contact with excellent access who does not have an established reporting record” to protect the-then covert nature of the trip.
The report was then “widely distributed in routine channels,” according to a 2004 Senate Intelligence Committee report on the CIA’s prewar intelligence on Iraq. It is unclear whether Cheney or his office received the report at the time it was distributed, or sometime later.
But two government officials with first-hand knowledge of events said during the summer of 2003, Libby and other White House officials sought any reports and other classified information regarding Wilson’s Niger trip, and it was provided at that time.
A relatively small amount of information derived from the March 2002 report was revealed on July 11, 2003, when then-CIA Director George Tenet released a statement regarding Wilson’s trip to Niger in which he disclosed some aspects of the debriefing described in the document. But other portions remained highly classified at the time that Cheney directed Libby to leak portions of the report, two senior government officials said in interviews. These officials say the White House abandoned its attempt to declassify all or part of the March 2002 report when Tenet released his statement.
The federal indictment of Libby states: “On or about June 9, 2003, a number of classified documents were faxed to the Office of the Vice President to the personal attention of Libby and another person in the Office of the Vice President. The faxed documents, which were marked as classified, discussed, among other things, Wilson and his trip to Niger, but did not mention Wilson by name. After receiving these documents, Libby and one or more persons in the Office of the Vice President handwrote the names ‘Wilson’ and ‘Joe Wilson’ on the documents.”
It is unclear if one of the documents in question, or the one with Wilson’s name handwritten on it by someone in the Vice President’s office, was the March 2002 CIA report, but the fact that it did not mention Wilson by name suggests that it possibly was indeed the one with the handwriting.
Cheney, Libby, and others wanted to leak and declassify portions of the report because they believed that it would undercut the perception that Wilson’s mission had disproved the allegations definitively that Iraq had attempted to procure uranium from Niger, two senior government officials said in interviews.
Among other things, Wilson had agreed only to interview former Nigerien officials, instead of current ones, so as not to step on the toes of the State Department or its then-ambassador to Niger, and he was disadvantaged in his inquiries, the two senior government officials said.
In an interview, Wilson said it was unnecessary to interview current Nigerien officials because the then-U.S. ambassador was conducting her own inquiry, and a decision was made for him to speak to former Nigerien officials while the ambassador made her inquiries of the current government.
“When I arrived in Niger, I spoke to the ambassador who thought that she had already debunked the allegations with current Niger officials,” Wilson said. “We agreed then that I would speak to former government officials, who I knew better than she did because I worked with them while I was on the NSC staff at the White House, and thereafter. So that was the division of labor.”
Wilson also said that the ambassador told her that a “four-star Marine general had also already talked to current officials, and that he too had concluded and reported that he believed there was nothing to the allegations.”
National Journal April 14, 2006
I see JCH is still around, still obsessed with black men and homosexual sex, as always.
He’s added a pathetic new wrinkle to his man-lust today: a worshipful note about his own, personal Brokeback Mountain fantasy boy, Dick Cheney. JCH loves Dick. Dick just pleases him so. He can’t get enough of Dick. Dick, Dick, Dick, that’s all he thinks about and he keeps begging us to read about the hero of his pathetic fantasies.
Right, forget the fact that his precious Dick is a greedy fuck who sold out his government connections to a corrupt contractor – oh, and that’s provably corrupt. He thinks we will worship Dick, the way he worships Dick because Dick PRODUCED. What did he produce? Billions in revenue for Halliburton. That’s BILLIONS OF TAX DOLLARS OF COURSE, but JCH doesn’t mind getting fucked on the measly taxes he pays because of his measly income because of his own negligible production. As long as Dick is involved, JCH kinda likes gettin’ fucked.
You have to feel a little sorry for JCH, the old queen. He lives in Hawaii (at least in his imagination) and yet he’s one of those angry, repressed gays who gets drunk and dangerous.
He was so shocked by that 82nd Airborne gay porn. He looked at it of course, and now he’s all confused again. He knows hejoined the military because Daddy told him to (between intimidating and smacking his mother) but JCH has to ask himself “Did I enjoy it for the wrong reasons?” Did his nipples get so hard around all that military man-flesh because of esprit de corps, or was there something more sexual going on?
Of course the answer is obvious: he surfs, he dives, he reads surfing and diving magazines: more male nudity. All his hobbies and interests seem to involve men. Hmm, why could that be? JCH is the kind of guy – you know that kind of guy who talks to you in the locker room naked too much. Like he seems to sort of enjoy not getting dressed. And it’s usually a macho type so you’re thinking “what the fuck is up with this guy?” The you realize “Aaahh, pathetic repressed homosexual”.
I love the way JCH calls Democrats gay niggers. Of course for us that’s like calling us Norwegian and Scottish. Maybe we’re gay or black, but what the hell do we care. But for him the shame is so unimaginable. Yes, of course he thinks obsessively about black men. He can’t stop. He’s NAMED HIMSELF after a black man, but his man-lust can never get the dark-skinned satisfaction it craves because he is such a self-hating loser.
It’s pathetic when a tax-cheating homo defines patriotism as bigotry and self-hatred, but that’s the Republican party for you.
-GEORGE BUSH IS PRESIDENT!GEORGE BUSH IS PRESIDENT!GEORGE BUSH IS PRESIDENT!GEORGE BUSH IS PRESIDENT!GEORGE BUSH IS PRESIDENT!GEORGE BUSH IS PRESIDENT!GEORGE BUSH IS PRESIDENT!GEORGE BUSH IS PRESIDENT!GEORGE BUSH IS PRESIDENT!GEORGE BUSH IS PRESIDENT!GEORGE BUSH IS PRESIDENT!GEORGE BUSH IS PRESIDENT!GEORGE BUSH IS PRESIDENT!GEORGE BUSH IS PRESIDENT!GEORGE BUSH IS PRESIDENT!-
The final, pathetic defense for conservatives now that their “movement” is in absolute shambles. Pretty hilarious, Mr. Cynical.
AND JUST HOW BIG IS YOUR TOTAL TAX BITE? [Readon, lib assholes!!! READ ON, Democrat Parasites!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!]
The Georgia Public Policy Foundation steered me to a rather interesting (though not shocking) facts on taxation in America. The source is an article by Michael K. Evans posted on IndustryWeek.com. Do you have any idea just how huge your total tax load is? Take a look at these facts.
First – and this fact is now beyond debate – all taxes are paid by individuals. All taxes are levied against wealth, and only individuals hold wealth. For those of you who attended government schools, and are thus a little slow on concepts like this, corporations are not wealthy. Corporate shareholders hold that wealth. Individuals. So … for the sake of Evan’s article, he says that the taxes are paid by employees or proprietors, the owners of small businesses. Now .. the tab:
Total federal income taxes collected last year: $932 billion. That works out to $6,650 per employee.
In addition to income taxes, the federal government collected another $1.286 trillion in taxes, mostly Social Security taxes.
The total state and local tax burden amounts to $1.14 trillion.
The grand sum here – paid by employees and proprietors – is $3.358 trillion. That’s $3,358,000,000,000.00
This works out to $24,000 per employee.
The total compensation earned by employees and individual proprietors last year was $8.2 trillion.
This means that 40% of income goes to taxes of some sort.
That rate, of course, is much higher for those earning higher incomes. Much lower for those in low income brackets.
Nice, huh?
Now … grab this fact. Where did most of this money go? National defense? Homeland security? Hardly. In terms of Federal expenditures you have:
$495 billion for national defense.
$272 billion spent by the federal government for the purchase of goods and payment of employees
$1.69 trillion sent to someone else. $1.69 trillion in income redistribution.
This is just fine with those on the left who believe that income is distributed, not earned. For the rest of us? Well, I don’t know about you, but I have a wee bit of a problem with all of this.
Leaving aside JCH’s insane, imaginary federal budget, I think we can see why he’s pissed off at San Francisco:
http://www.madkats.com/Queer/S.....rDudes.htm
If I’m not mistaken, that’s him all the way on the right, facing away. Imagine going all that way and not even getting a decent picture taken
I’m not a member of an organized party. I’m a Democrat.
JCH
Your taxation and budget numbers are delusional. I think your syphilus has reached your brain. You know, old buddy, it’s 2006. It’s okay for you to acknowledge that you prefer men to women. You’ll feel better. Now, run along, and remember to go somewhere private when you need to beat off.
I love the fact that JCH, a retiree is concerned about transfer payments when the biggest transfer payment program IS HIS FUCKING SOCIAL SECURITY CHECK, you moron. Oh and Medicare, also for retirees. You remember Medicare, the program that your President increased ENORMOUSLY. Who do you think gets this “income redistribution”. YOU DO, YOU IDIOT!
So be quiet and stop making a fool of yourself.
Here’s a thought:
Just divide (that’s like the opposite of multiply, JCH) $1.5 trillion by $30K a year. You get 50 million people.
That would be 50 million people who get 30K a year in government transfer payments, according to the JCH lunacy. There are only a hundred million households in America.
The median FAMILY income is $45K. So apparently the US government is paying two thirds of the income in half the households in America.
JCH, you are an insane old fairy.
Still, you’re welcome here. We accept people of all sexual orientations and levels of insanity. We’re Democrats.
What we don’t like are greedy, whining fucks who think funding the American government is a job for the Chinese Communist Party. Why don’t you figure out how much your beloved Dick and Co. have borrowed from the commies this year?
JCH;
Leaving aside any question of your numbers (I just don’t have the time to research the numbers and then argue about it again);
What’s the difference between payment for “goods and services” and “transfer payments to individuals”? Isn’t the Republican philosophy that private individuals and business can spend federal tax money more efficiently that the government can? So if the government gives a Katrina refugee $2,000 in emergency funds for hotel rooms and food, and a Haliburton subsidiary $120,000 to purchase a trailer for emergency housing, which is the the more proper exenditure of federal funds? Is a retiree who is receiving his social security check less worthy of the money than a Haliburton subisidiary that charges the government to supply water for soldiers in Iraq and then doesn’t bother to treat the water?
If the government is wasting so much money, then why don’t the Republican controlled House, Senate, White House, and Supreme Court put a stop to it? No – don’t tell me, the Democrats wont let them???????? This is a blatant attempt to mislead by pushing numbers into broad catagories with misleading labels in order to make a political point. He wants to force us into defending the federal budget so he can then argue that Democrats are responsible for the budget deficit, high taxes, etc.
Step 1: Its the “big lie” we hear over and over again, one the Republicans have been preaching since the 1960’s – blame the Democrats for federal spending. It just isn’t true. The reason Republicans haven’t reduced the domestic budget is because they know their own constituants will be affected and they will lose votes. Cutting the budget seems easy in the large sense, but “the devil is in the details”. The domestic budget has actually grown since the Republicans took over Congress. In truth, both parties adjust the budget depending upon their supporters: the Republicans give federal money to large businesses and wealthy individuals in terms of federal contracts or tax cuts, and the Democrats support working families and people who need assistance with direct benefits or tax credits.
Step 2 of the Big Lie – Republicans cut the taxes which support the budget, and then leave it to the Democrats to fix the mess. This is just an attempt to get the benefit of paying off their own supporters with tax cuts, and then transfering the political reprocussions of paying for them to the other party. It doesn’t matter what a fiscally responsible Democrat does to try to fix the mess, the Republicans will blame them for (a) not cutting spending, (b) raising taxes, (c) cutting benefits, or (d) not dealing with the deficit.
It really hasn’t changed much since David Stockman was hired as Reagan’s first budget director. He thought he was being hired to cut the deficit, because Reagan had campaigned on that theme. Instead he found that he was being told to manufacture numbers to conceal the size of the budget deficit so the Republicans could protect their tax cuts for the wealthy. When he complained about this to a reporter, he was “taken to the woodshed”, and fired a few months later. Six years later Bush I was caught in the “read my lips – no new taxes” campaign pledge, and the deficit continued to grow.
It wasn’t until Clinton became President that a bi-partison Congressional action allowed taxes to be adjusted and the deficit to fall – but the Republicans then campaigned that Clinton engineered “the largest tax increse in history”, telling the BIG LIE again. Under Clinton the deficit was finally going to be a surplus by 2001, but Bush II’s first priority was to cut taxes again, and he insists on keeping the tax cuts despite the money wasted in Iraq and the expenses associated with the 2005 hurricanes. But the deficit is a problem which Bush will leave for future Presidents to handle, just as he plans to leave them with the Iraq situation.
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“Maybe my comments are simplistic, but it boils down to this: doing a half-assed job results in half-assed acomplishments, if you’re lucky, and disaster if you’re not lucky. Commentby Libertarian— 4/14/06@ 11:33 am”
Gee, Liber, I can’t argue with you there. That’s why I didn’t vote to elect a COKE HEAD president! As for people who did, I can’t imagine what they were thinking.
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“How is it, if her actual title never included the term, that she gets to use it? I suspect the inflated title will come back to harm her, if it hasn’t already. Commentby Janet S— 4/14/06@ 12:25 pm”
Because the term “executive” has a generic meaning, dummy! Just because I never had the offical title “rabbit” doesn’t make me an armadillo. I’m still a fucking rabbit, and Darcy Burner is an “executive” because she had management responsibilities, was in charge of projects, and supervised other people.
Sheesh. Keep milking that cow for all she’s worth, Janet! If you’re still milking next winter, maybe Bossy will give ice cream.
-I love the fact that JCH, a retiree is concerned about transfer payments when the biggest transfer payment program IS HIS FUCKING SOCIAL SECURITY CHECK-
Well, dlaw, somebody’s gotta pay for JCH’s internet connection. Remember – the transfer of wealth is aok, as long as it’s going towards angry, racist, anti-semitic, money grubbing, old white guy Republicans.
Speaking of “transferring wealth” we blue state residents will be doing a lot more of that kinda thing by paying our federal income taxes:
…of the 32 states (and the District of Columbia) that are “winners” — receiving more in federal spending than they pay in federal taxes — 76% are Red States that voted for George Bush in 2000.
Indeed, 17 of the 20 (85%) states receiving the most federal spending per dollar of federal taxes paid are Red States.
In contrast, of the 16 states that are “losers” — receiving less in federal spending than they pay in federal taxes — 69% are Blue States that voted for Al Gore in 2000. Indeed, 11 of the 14 (79%) of the states receiving the least federal spending per dollar of federal taxes paid are Blue States.
Gee, you think any of the budget went to pay Bush’s federal deficit?
Don’t be flat out stupid, JCH
From the EPA, September 18, 2001
EPA Administrator Christie Whitman announced today that results from the Agency’s air and drinking water monitoring near the World Trade Center and Pentagon disaster sites indicate that these vital resources are safe
From the news today:
In the cold, clinical language of the autopsy report of a retired New York City detective that was released this week, there were words that thousands of New Yorkers have come to anticipate and to fear.
“It is felt with a reasonable degree of medical certainty that the cause of death in this case was directly related to the 9/11 incident,” stated the report from the medical examiner’s office in Ocean County, N.J.
Once again, this administration lied and people died.
That “reasonable degree of medical certainty” — coroner language for “as sure as I can be” — provides the first official link made by a medical expert between the hazardous air at ground zero after the trade center collapse and the death of someone who worked in the rescue effort.
Dlaw…….A little Hawai’i background news. The New Orleans Levy Board [ALL Democrat….mostly black] LOVED to have their “conference” in Kapalua, Maui each and every year. The “civil servants” were armed with “guvment” credit cards and spent taxpayer money like water at the PGA golf courses and the Plantation Estate for expensive meals and entertainment. Nothing like black “civil servants” with “guvment” credit cards to run up huge bills and ass fuck the New Orleans Levy Board for the cost. Still………………… Somehow Bush is at fault!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [hehe] Fuck you, JCH
-I love the fact that JCH, a retiree is concerned about transfer payments when the biggest transfer payment program IS HIS FUCKING SOCIAL SECURITY CHECK-
Commentby LiberalRedneck— 4/14/06@ 6:31 pm [Er……………………………..Lib, I’m 50!!!!!!!! How does one collect Social Security when one is only 50? You fucking dumbass!! Answer the question!!!!!!!!! Hopw totally fucked up are you????????]
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