I was talking to Darryl last night, and he wants you all to know he is very, very, very sorry that he missed yesterday’s Drinking Liberally thread. It’s a deep sadness. It probably kept him up last night. He’s wearing a hare shirt.
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openthread
This week 3 of my dinners have been Rainier cherries. I don’t think it’s good for me, but it’s still pretty great. I was talking to one of the people selling them at Pike Place, and she said they were not from Washington yet. I may be done with them by the time the Washington crop is selling, but I doubt it. Hopefully the price comes down a bit.
I did have a minor ethical issue. On Tuesday night I had 2 pounds of cherries before going to Drinking Liberally. I wasn’t hungry. I don’t normally drink on weekdays. So I wasn’t going to spend money. Is it ethical to do that in a group if you’re a regular who normally gets food? I eventually felt bad and got the smallest thing on the menu, and over tipped.
Open*Thread
It’s Tuesday night and I’m on the bus back home from Drinking Liberally. I just realized that I haven’t written anything for the open thread, and I just want to go to sleep when I get home. So here’s not much. Sorry.
2 things: I love talking the bus home, but this is the second week in a row where the post 11:00 bus has some unfortunate smells. Also the driver is really shouting at some driver parked in a bus stop.
Hope this isn’t too incoherent.
Editorial Dissent (Open Thread)
Only several hours after Ed Murray decided against running for reelection, the HA Editorial Board decided to endorse Ed Murray not running for reelection. Unlike The Seattle Times or other editorial boards, the HA Editorial Board encourages dissent (at Drinking Liberally last night).
So no, Ed Murray can run if he wants. Nothing has been proven. That said, if he decides to run, or even just in his public statements and defense in court, he should stop the victim blaming. And obviously, fuck him if he did it.
Carl Ballard
Live Blogging the First Presidential Debate
Okay…the debate is about to begin. Have at it in the comment threads. I’ll post my nuggets of wisdom from the folks at Drinking Liberally and from Twitter.
[6:05] Opening topic: reducing income inequality in a period of low unemployment.
Clinton: Invest, invest, invest.
Drumpf: CHINA! CHINA! CHINA!
Trump claims that U.S. doesn’t have the largest, most sophisticated manufacturing facilities in the world. Ummm…Mr. Trump, ever hear of Boeing’s plant in Everett? Largest in the world.
TRUMP: THE WALL IS TO KEEP YOU IN
— LOLGOP (@LOLGOP) September 27, 2016
Ford is not leaving. Trump is lying #debatenight
— Cliff Schecter (@cliffschecter) September 27, 2016
[6:13] Drumpf, “The U.S. doesn’t know what it is doing” in manufacturing. Unbelievable!
[6:14] Drumpf is starting to fall apart already, with his little aside to Clinton.
[6:15] Drumpf’s import tax bring to mind Bill Murray’s famous SNL lounge skit: “Trade Wars / If they had made wars / Let there be trade wars / ooohhh oh yeah.
What's w/the sniffing #Trump? She hasn't even spanked you yet. #debatenight
— esd2000 (@esd2000) September 27, 2016
[6:19] Again and again, Drumpf tells us what we “have to do” without any concrete proposals.
[6:20] Clinton successfully holds off Drumpf’s attempt at disruption.
Trump is so good at deflecting the "how" questions. #debatenight
— Julian Gottlieb (@JulianGottlieb) September 27, 2016
[6:21] Hello? Moderators?
Here we go. Trump is losing control. He tried hard, but she is getting under his skin. #Debate
— Samuel Minter (@abulsme) September 27, 2016
.@realDonaldTrump is doing a masterful job running for Shouter In-Chief. #debatenight
— (((Goldy))) (@GoldyHA) September 27, 2016
[6:26]: Drumpf completely LOST IT! “No wonder you have been fighting ISIS your entire life.” ISIS didn’t even exist when she last held a government position.
Can't wait until Lester Holt shows up.
— Ken Rudin (@kenrudin) September 27, 2016
Baby has a lot of tantrums #DEBATES
— Sarah Silverman (@SarahKSilverman) September 27, 2016
Trump: "I'm going to bring back the jobs that left under Bush by giving rich people the tax breaks Bush gave them."#Debates2016
— Top Conservative Cat (@TeaPartyCat) September 27, 2016
Trump hasn't completed a sentence this whole debate. And he's not willing to let Clinton complete either.
— LOLGOP (@LOLGOP) September 27, 2016
Mr Trump, your two minutes: #debatenight pic.twitter.com/TYvZ7CUfCk
— Lizz Winstead (@lizzwinstead) September 27, 2016
Hillary: "You're just going to blame me for everything."
Trump: "Why not!?"An adult just said that on national television.
#debatenight— Rap Critic (@itstherapcritic) September 27, 2016
[6:33]: Drumpf has an audit conspiracy.
Trump calls Clinton "all talk." Let that sink in. #debates
— Sydney Brownstone (@sydbrownstone) September 27, 2016
[6:39]: “We spent 6 trillion dollars in the middle east” and we didn’t even take all of their oil….
[6:40]: Clinton may have used a private email server, but at least she paid her IT subcontractors.
Trump social media team deleted the tweet. The Internet never forgets you morons. pic.twitter.com/hXy10P5Asb
— Redeye (@PaulChaloner) September 27, 2016
[6:43]: Drumpf has calmed down, but is having trouble focusing.
[6:44]: Drumpf things Hillary is afraid to say “law and order”. WTF?!?
[6:48]: Drumpf is rattling off endorsements. What’s next, poll numbers?
[6:50]: Donald Trump wants to take guns away…from dark-skinned people.
[6:52]: Clinton makes a passionate argument for justice reform. Trump’s response, “she won’t law and order!” and “stop and frisk!”
It'll be VERY interesting to see if Trump gets crushed in the press for that Al Gore sigh.
— David Waldman (@KagroX) September 27, 2016
"we'll help them get off" – the best thing Trump has said all night #debatenight pic.twitter.com/AxHQUZssBS
— Grace Parra (@GraceParra360) September 27, 2016
[7:00]: Dear @realDonaldTrump Obama produced the standard Hawaii birth certificate in 2008.
Trump on being fined for racial discrimination: “it’s just one of those things.”
— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) September 27, 2016
OMG, the only thing worse than a "I have a black friend" answer is "I let them into my private club."
— Justin Wolfers (@JustinWolfers) September 27, 2016
[7:12]: DJT uses “Cyber” incorrectly. Clearly new to the word. Norbert Weiner spins in his grave.
[7:15]:Drumpf blames Obama/Clinton for leaving Iraq. You know…the withdrawal that was set up by Bush’s failure to come to an agreement with Iraq.
[7:22]: At the end of a crazy, defensive tyrade, “I have better judgement than her.”
[7:24]: Trump is sniffling a lot. Is he well enough to be President?????????
[7:26]: Clinton’s “caviler attitude about nuclear weapons” segment was potent.
[7:27]: Holy shit. @realDonaldTrump understanding of defending other countries amounts to gangster movies.
The Esquire article to which Trump refers was not "right after" the war. It was 17 months after the war.
— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) September 27, 2016
Here's a 3-minute explanation on how Bush,not Obama, created Isis by @Thom_Hartmann https://t.co/37WZ4sD7hK #debatenight #CrashingTheParty
— Danielle Guilday (@DanielleOnRadio) September 27, 2016
Everyone should read this. https://t.co/Ire1HfUuzS
— Chris Cillizza (@TheFix) September 27, 2016
[7:33]: Clinton’s strategy: say something clear. Let Drumpf babble.
[7:35]: No shit on Clinton’s statement on stamina. Look at her freaking schedule while SOS! Brutal travel and meeting schedule.
The Minimum Wage Survives
Darryl mentioned it in this morning’s Drinking Liberally thread, but it’s kind of a big deal that the US Supreme Court won’t hear the Seattle minimum wage case. There are 2 reasons why it’s mass rad. First, for Seattle and other places where we want to set a minimum wage, and are going to have the sort of slow, multi-tiered implementation that we got. We can keep the law in place without this imaginary legal hurdle. For the fast food workers and other franchise employees who’ll get a raise going forward, it’s worth it on its own.
But, it also signals that with Antonin Scalia off the court, maybe the country won’t slip further into a new Lochner era. Maybe we won’t decide as many cases primarily on the basis of what’s good for business.
Systemic
When liberals and conservatives have conversations about things like homelessness, it can be frustrating. Conservatives want individuals to take personal responsibility. And while liberals find individual responsibility important, we also understand that there are systemic problems that have to be dealt with. That it’s really tough to bootstrap yourself into a house if you’re homeless and there isn’t enough supply. So, sometimes we talk past each other. Jason Rantz tries to circle that square by showing how liberals being tolerant is the real systemic problem (h/t).
I’ve been meaning to do a longer piece for a while, but it keeps being nice out. After like 4 days, it’s still too nice of a day to do a metacommentary piece on the whole thing, but here are some highlights:
But why so many in this neighborhood? I’ve never seen as many until recently. As other neighborhoods are engaged in trying to help deal with the problem, Capitol Hill seems like they’re allowing it to develop unfettered. I think I know why: ideology.
Homelessness is everywhere. I don’t know what neighborhood doesn’t have homeless people. Including suburban and rural places in King County. Also, is Cap. Hill’s tolerance new? Because otherwise, it doesn’t really apply to this supposedly new problem. Also, too, I walked from the light rail station to Drinking Liberally last Tuesday, and back fairly late at night. It was after reading this piece, so I was on the lookout for homeless people. It didn’t seem like a whole lot, at least compared to other neighborhoods. Sure, I passed by some people sleeping in doorways, but I don’t think more than Downtown or Belltown. Certainly not more than, say, the Terminal 91 Bike Path or SoDo, if we’re trading anecdote for data.
Progressive ideologues like to preach how tolerant they are. You ask them and they’ll proudly tell you. Now, they don’t support ideological diversity, but they’re pro-LGBT, pro-people of color, pro-atheist, pro-multicultralism, pro-whatever. The only things they’re against seem to be capitalism and cisgendered white Christian Republican men. And to show how tolerant they are, they seek to ban microaggressions; they support college students who need “safe spaces” from opinions that make them uncomfortable. They like to declare themselves allies of any group they believe to be oppressed.
Atheism and multiculturalism are both ideologies. So that third sentence is self-refuting. Some progressive ideologues are against capitalism, but I think most aren’t. Also, I don’t know what against “cisgendered white Christian Republican men” even means. Like, don’t think they should dominate the conversation, sure. But progressives are not the ones trying to regulate where cis people can poop or poised to nominate someone who wants a travel ban on Christians. Anyway, I guess we should just be glad he learned the word cisgendered and this isn’t a rant about that.
Oh my God there was so much wrong with that paragraph. OK. Keep going.
Nobody is trying to ban microaggressions. Pointing out how harmful they are? Sure. You can go yell racial epithets (macroaggressions if you like) in the park, and nobody is going to ban you. But you think a ban on microaggressions is in the works? Also, safe spaces and being allies to the oppressed is pretty rad. Like everywhere should be unsafe in general and harmful to oppressed people? What the fuck even is that? In fairness, he walks that back a bit in the next couple paragraphs, that I’m skipping. But still.
I think some ideological activists won’t help the homeless because they subconsciously want to live around them. They can say that they don’t judge people based on their appearance or status as someone who lives on the street, and this gives them a sense of superiority to those of us who want to intervene.
This describes literally nobody. The solutions to homelessness include build more housing and make it affordable. It isn’t just tolerate it. The closest thing I can think of to being tolerant as a policy was housing for chronic public inebriates, but that has been a success story among King County’s mixed-at-best record.
Open Thread 3/21
So this happened over the weekend.
You guys! pic.twitter.com/9YAy9I2deh
— Carl Ballard (@BallardCrl) March 19, 2016
If you care about the opening of the new line, other people have said more interesting things than me. But here’s my 2 cents anyway.
This isn’t such a new thing in the way that the line from the airport to Westlake was. That being the first line and all. But it being on time and under budget, as well as a useful extension is promising. The stations are beautiful, and in great locations.
the only real negative for me was that I was a bit claustrophobic getting off at the U-Link station. I wandered around a bit before getting on the escalators but still felt boxed in. I hope at some point we get better as a city at stand to the right walk on the left.
All in all, quite good. I imagine I’ll take it pretty regularly. It’s a bit far from the Capitol Hill station, but if it isn’t raining too bad, you can take the train to Drinking Liberally.
Open Thread 2-3
This (autoplays) is a few days old (they make Iowa Caucus predictions) but I just listened to it yesterday on my way to Drinking Liberally. It got me thinking about the foreign policy philosophies of the Democratic candidates. I would dispute that Clinton’s foreign policy philosophy is just about competence. I’d say that women’s rights are human rights was an animating idea during her tenure at State and in the Senate.
I asked a few people at Drinking Liberally how they would sum up Sanders’ foreign policy. And we found some interesting things about his record, but I don’t know if it’s predictive for voters or for the bureaucracy if he gets elected. I’d very much like to know more about his foreign policy, but I haven’t seen it yet. It’s one state down, so we may well see something that crystallizes it going forward.
(this has been edited a bit to make it clear I’m just talking about foreign policy)
The Socialist State of the Union Response!
Assuming I get my blown-out tire replaced in time (thanks, I-5 through Tacoma!), I’ll be at Drinking Liberally live tweeting the State of the Union. But afterwards I invite you to join me for what’s become a Seattle tradition these past few years: city council member Kshama Sawant’s annual Socialist response.
I’ve embedded the live stream above. And remember all you Bernie-come-latelies: we’ve been electing Socialists here in Seattle since before it was cool!
Open Thread 1-6
Now that Jim McDermott has made it official, it’ll be interesting to see who replaces him. I don’t have any favorites really, but I’d sort of prefer not voting for a person who thought they should primary him. One worry that came up at Drinking Liberally would be someone running as a Prefers Republican Party candidate could slip past a crowded primary field and make it into the general if there are enough Democrats. I don’t think that’s an issue.
So, any preferences?
Rep. Jim McDermott rumored to retire without first dying
Seattle’s “Congressman for Life” Rep. Jim McDermott (D-WA-07) will, apparently, defy his appellation and retire from the House without first dying.
McDermott is expected to announce his retirement on Monday. If KING 5’s sources are correct, that is.

The 79 year-old psychiatrist-turned-politician was first elected to the Washington state legislature, representing the 43 district, in 1970. He was elected to the U.S. House in 1988, taking office on Jan 3 of 1989.
McDermott had several causes in Congress including health care issues of all types and, generally, pissing off the Republican leadership. His battle against Newt Gingrich over Gingrich’s violation of a House Ethics committee agreement was epic (but cost McDermott a lot of money). McDermott also fought an unorthodox battle to strike the phrase “one nation under God” from the Pledge of Allegiance.
McDermott once showed up the the Seattle Chapter of Drinking Liberally. A couple of College Republicans decided to stop by that same evening and pestered the Congressman. He largely ignored them. But, then again, he hasn’t been back.
Maybe he’ll have more time for recreational politics and beer next year.
G.O.P. Debate Open Thread
The debate should start at 5:30. I’ll be at Drinking Liberally and live-blogging the event (internet bandwidth permitting).
To get this thread started, here is an interesting video that was released today:
Does this provide any insights about one particular G.O.P. candidate’s (1) truthfulness, (2) great memory, (3) campaign substance?
5:10: The kiddie debate is over. Caught the closing statements. Sen. Man-on-dog wins just because he had such an upbeat way of talking about death.
Oh lord. That was the kiddie debate. What fresh hell is the grown-up freak show going to bring?
— digby (@digby56) December 16, 2015
Santorum, a Catholic, outraged that children are coming to US in desperation.
#NoRoomAtTheInn
#NoRoomInTheStableEither
#MerryChristmas
— emptywheel (@emptywheel) December 16, 2015
5:25: What the fuck, CNN? “Trump arrives at debate” isn’t fucking news.
5:33: Someone named “Rinse Prius” or something is giving some bullshit talk. He sounds like a used car salesman.
5:36: Is Donald Trump holding up the show? Holy fuck…start without him!
Jeb Bush is trying to smile like a human being backstage. This could be his night!
— Civic Skunk Works (@civicskunkworks) December 16, 2015
5:43: Rand Paul has morphed into Ron Paul: Unelectable oddball.
5:44: Red ties are in.
5:46: Again?!? Seriously? The national anthem? This debate better involve some sort of physical test of skill!
5:48: Did Paul just say the Constitution is wrong?
5:52: Hey, Chris Christie, those LA father’s are probably thankful they aren’t crossing a bridge in NJ!
5:55: Jeb Bush: “I’ll keep our country safe, secure, and free”…just like my Brother did.
5:58: Carson pauses for a moment of silence. Don’t be fooled…he just REALLY needed to close his eyes.
6:02: Jeb: “Trump would be a Kaos president.” Get Smart!
6:05: Cruz is a one issue candidate tonight: “Obama won’t say ‘radical Islamic Terrorism’, so vote for me.
6:08: Is Christie wearing a “junk” pin on his lapel?
#ChrisChristie is looking into the camera to try to make us believe him. #NotWorking #GOPDebate
— GottaLaff (@GottaLaff) December 16, 2015
Pretty sure Cruz taking that sip of water was a Rubio taunt. #GOPDebate
— Michael Maddux (@michaeljmaddux) December 16, 2015
.@MarcoRubio voted for unconstitutional mass surveillance of innocent Americans, which hasn't identified a single tangible threat #GOPDebate
— TimKarr (@TimKarr) December 16, 2015
6:20: Christie needs to make an executive decision to straighten his tie.
6:22: Carson bails on a question…and looks really bad doing it. Wow.
To Carson: Who was right on last debate question? Carson: Sorry, I wasn’t listening.
— Samuel Minter (@abulsme) December 16, 2015
6:26: Fiorina throws around “CEO” as if Americans have a positive association with the term.
Trump has a Ted Stevens-level grasp of the internet
/p>— Joshua Green (@JoshuaGreen) December 16, 2015
It would have been awesome if Trump has called it the intertube
— Taegan Goddard (@politicalwire) December 16, 2015
6:36: Aaaaaaahhhh…a Muslimey looking questioner! Everyone duck under your podiums!!! (podia?)
6:39: Actually, Donald, Bush seems a little more energetic than you do this evening….
Jeb Bush: "Donald, you're not going to be able to insult your way to the presidency." Boom!
— Jim Brunner (@Jim_Brunner) December 16, 2015
Bush's "attack Trump" policy is four months out of date.
— Civic Skunk Works (@civicskunkworks) December 16, 2015
Carson: “Death by a thousand pricks” – sounds like a description of this debate
— Samuel Minter (@abulsme) December 16, 2015
Anyone who lets Ben Carson perform brain surgery on them after this debacle is crazy.
— Murtaza Hussain (@MazMHussain) December 16, 2015
7:08: This debate has become exceptionally empty and repetitive.
7:11: “Punch Russia in ‘The Nose'” Nikolai Gogol smiled.
7:12: Earth to Fiorina: The withdrawal from Iraq was Bush’s doing.
In a fairly deep level of hell, you hear GOP presidential candidates swaggering around talking & acting tough on an infinite loop.
— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) December 16, 2015
By my count, so far nothing Carly F has said is true.
— James Fallows (@JamesFallows) December 16, 2015
7:19: Trump hurt himself with his juvenile “tough guy” insults to Jeb and then talking poll numbers. He should save that crap for campaign events.
"We do need more fencing" will be a great line for Jeb Bush's Home Depot ad after he drops out of the race in February.
— Civic Skunk Works (@civicskunkworks) December 16, 2015
7:32: Donald Trump. A totally low energy debater. Low ENERGY. Am I right?
7:37: Kasich says stuff that doesn’t sound extreme. But doesn’t really say anything at all.
7:45: As President, Dr. Carson could do brain surgery on “unstable” Kim Jong Un
7:45: Carson memorized a bunch of military stuff!
#Zing! RT @SarahWoodwriter Fiorina knows a thing or two about China, after all, that's where she sent all the HP jobs. #GOPDebate
— Left Out Loud (@LeftOutLoud) December 16, 2015
7:47: Ummm…Jeb Bush used a private email server while Gubernator of FL.
Ted Cruz has a strategy for propagating tautologies by saying he would definitively do what he says he intends to do. #GOPDebate
— Greg Greene (@ggreeneva) December 16, 2015
7:55: At this point Carson seems almost incapable of speaking…
One of you being elected is the biggest threat to our national security. #GOPDebate
— Lizz Winstead (@lizzwinstead) December 16, 2015
.@tedcruz wants to keep our children safe. Who kept the children of #SandyHook safe? #GOPDebate
— Linda Sarsour (@lsarsour) December 16, 2015
8:03: Jeb bush stumbles his way through his closing comments. He was doing okish until then.
8:04: Rubio: “Now millions of Americans feel left behind”…like most Muslim Americans?
8:05: Carson’s “exceptionalism” closing statement makes him sound like he munched on lead paint chips as a lad.
Wrap-up. Another retched debate. My complaints is that WAAAAYYYYYY too much time was spent on security and terrorism. Fact is…foreign terrorism is a pretty minor threat in the U.S. Domestic terrorism is a much bigger threat, but no real discussion of that. That’s because IT DOESN’T SCARE VOTERS enough. I missed a chunk of the debate, but I didn’t hear anything about climate change, the environment, air polution, the economy, health care, domestic infrastructure, gun safety, white collar & Wall Street crime, higher education, primary education, mass transit & reducing traffic congestion, tax relief for the poor, reducing income inequality, energy independence, credit card fraud, etc., etc. These are issues that affect Americans every single day. And there was nothing.
These guys are in a political campaign bubble, and completely out of touch with the real America. But they got that fear thing going….
GOP Debate open thread
- Okay…it is not clear whether we can watch the debate here at Drinking Liberally, but I’ll be streaming and listening on a laptop.
Feel free to go at it in the comment thread.
5:58: Okay…audio and video are up and running here at the Roanoke.
When did we start with the national anthem before debates?
— Taegan Goddard (@politicalwire) November 11, 2015
6:00: National anthem before a debate suggest this is some kind of fucking sporting event! Let there be BLOOOOOOOODDDDDDD!!!
6:03: Holy fuck…get on with it already.
6:04: Why is Paul in there? Most pollsters don’t even bother doing Clinton-Paul match-ups anymore.
Ha ha it’s a hoax debate everyone! Here’s $10!
— David Waldman (@KagroX) November 11, 2015
6:08: Carson blatantly lies about the effect of raising minimum wage.
Carson is about 50 times more animated in this debate than in the last one. And, no, he is still not that animated.
— Chris Cillizza (@TheFix) November 11, 2015
6:10: Shorter Rubio: America is great because we have poor people for the rich to exploit.
Raising the minimum wage works. #GOPDebate pic.twitter.com/b1KkxLNUqk
— The Democrats (@TheDemocrats) November 11, 2015
Rubio – “We need more welders, not philosophers.” Umm… Didn’t your party ship all the welding jobs overseas? #GOPDebate
— Left Out Loud (@LeftOutLoud) November 11, 2015
6:14: Kasich on balancing the budget. I recall that Clinton did that, and that Shrub shot that to hell. Lesson: If you are fiscally responsible don’t elect a Bush or a Republican.
Kasich has choppy hands.
— Ana Marie Cox (@anamariecox) November 11, 2015
#GOPDebate: Reducing #deficit emerged as top Republican priority shortly after Obama took office pic.twitter.com/p659yrpsPB
— Alec Tyson (@alec_h_tyson) November 11, 2015
6:18: FAUX debate moderator doesn’t appear to understand “participation rate”.
6:20: Jeb Bush’s new platform: Repeal Everything Obama.
6:21: Fiorina uncomfortably wedges a anecdote in to a profound non-answer.
https://twitter.com/DanteAtkins/status/664266627417030656
https://twitter.com/jonfavs/status/664273075299418112
https://twitter.com/jbarro/status/664289601788313600
Well, that was awful.
Last Chance
I’m sure all of you have your ballots in by now. But for serious, get your stuff postmarked by today or in the dropbox by 8:00.
Also, once you’re done, Seattlish has the campaign parties. I’m not sure if I’m going to Drinking Liberally or just going to enjoy their idea of Belltown pub crawl.
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