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  1. Sorry I am not sure I saw this before on HA, but I found it on Cool Aqua. And since we are now Mike? 24/7…here you go.

    http://coolaqua.blogs.com/cool.....onate.html

    Interestingly enough, a significant contributor to the Speakers Roundtable appears to be Safeco Insurance. It seems that Safeco, while Senatorial Candidate Mike McGavick was its President, donated usage of a Skybox at Safeco Field (Mariners) to the Speakers Roundtable.

    As we read day after day about how Jack Abramoff used a Skybox to Lobby on his and the RNCs behalf in Washington, I couldn’t help but notice the similarity with Safeco’s action.

    Is it just a coincidence that while Mike McGavick was CEO, that Safeco funded the Speakers Roundtable, which is now attempting to slander his Senatorial opponent, Maria Cantwell (D), by sending out mass mailing to a significant number of Washington legislative districts that try to associate Democrats with sex offenders?

  2. Careful- Safeco is a significant contributor to EVERYBODY…

    Their largest contribution during the 2006 election cycle is to the Harry Truman Fund- the state House Democrats. Safeco has NOT contributed to the Speaker’s Roundtable this election cycle- and their combined 2002 and 2004 contributions to that fund were equal to the 2000 contributions to the Harry Truman Fund- then their were the additional contributions to the Harry Truman Fund in 2002 and the Roosevelt Fund (the state Senate Democrats) in 2004.

    So, the Speakers Roundtable has done its dirty work under the current House Republican leadership WITHOUT Safeco’s help.

  4. As for the use of Safeco Field, Safeco made the same in-kind contribution to all four caucuses, and does so each election cycle… $3,600 to each caucus…

  6. #3

    Unless you count a $28 Million dollar 2 month consulting fee.

    By the way how is that shareholder lawsuit coming?

    Goldy get you lazy ass back to work.

  7. @7- The point, danw, is that Safeco is a major Washington corporation- just like Boeing- and their money as contributions goes out bipartisanly. And it should be reassuring that some entities have apparently backed off from the Speakers Roundtable over the tactics pursued on sex offender mailings.

    Even the Devil deserves credit for a good deed…

  8. Yes, Goldie:
    How is the “Lawsuit” coming, the grandaughter of the “filty rich” Bullitt family?
    I wonder if these donk pay their fair share of taxes?
    Do they support Support Greg “Rub My” Nickels new tax plan?
    Are they of the tax and spend mindset?
    Did they get a tax cut for the rich?
    Did they spend it on themselves or was it an investment in the common man (trickle down economics)?

    Yes Goldie, thanks for exposing this “poor” little waitress.

  9. puddybud

    Do you think there is something wrong with being rich, or is it only being a rich Democrat that makes one “filthy?”

    “I wonder if these donk pay their fair share of taxes?”
    I would guess that the family as a whole pays considerably more than you, and that their waitress grnadadughter owes very little.

    “Do they support Support Greg “Rub My” Nickels new tax plan?”
    Possibly, if they support tranportation infrastructure improvements. You all COULD let it all crumble, but that’s for Seattle voters to decide. I am not one.

    “Are they of the tax and spend mindset?
    I am guessing that they are NOT of the “borrow and spend even more” mindset.

    “Did they get a tax cut for the rich?”
    The rich ones did. Do they support rolling back the “tax cuts for the rich” so that they pay their fair share and we stop plunging trillions of dolalrs deeper into debt? Quite possibly.

  11. The “Religion of Peace” strikes again.

    SUDAN: Editor kidnapped and beheaded

    New York, September 6, 2006—The Committee to Protect Journalists deplores the kidnapping and beheading in Sudan of a newspaper editor. Masked gunmen bundled Mohammed Taha Mohammed Ahmed, editor-in-chief of the private daily Al-Wifaq, into a car outside his home in east Khartoum late Tuesday. Police found his severed head next to his body today in the south of the capital. His hands and feet were bound, according to a CPJ source and news reports.

    Mohammed Taha had previously angered Islamists by running an article about the Prophet Muhammad. He had also written critically about the political opposition and armed groups in Sudan’s western Darfur region, according to press reports. No group has claimed responsibility for the killing, Reuters reported.

    Mohammed Taha, 50, was an Islamist and former member of the National Islamic Front. But in May last year, he was detained for several days, his paper was closed for three months, and fined 8 million Sudanese pounds (US$3,200), after he offended the country’s powerful Islamists by republishing an article from the Internet that questioned the ancestry of the Prophet Muhammad. Demonstrators outside the courthouse demanded he be sentenced to death for blasphemy. Sudan is religiously conservative and penalizes blasphemy and insulting Islam with the death penalty.

    Six-months ago, unidentified assailants set fire to the offices of Al-Wifaq, badly damaging the building. The perpetrators were never identified, a CPJ source said.

    “We condemn the brutal murder of Mohammed Taha Mohammed Ahmed,” CPJ Executive Director Joel Simon said. “We call on the Sudanese authorities to find those responsible for the heinous act and bring them to justice.”

    Several Sudanese journalists gathered at the Khartoum morgue to protest the murder and demand government protection for the press.

    The Arabic-language satellite news channel Al-Jazeera said Mohammed Taha had fought many battles with the government and the opposition parties over his writings and made many political enemies. Because of the article about the Prophet he had received telephone threats from militant Islamic groups in Sudan.

    Over the past month, freedom of the press in Sudan has been heavily curtailed. On August 30, Khartoum police beat Ibrahim Muhammad, a cameraman for the Qatar-based satellite channel Al-Jazeera, and seized his camera during a banned demonstration against rises in fuel and sugar prices, Reuters reported. On August 26, a court in El-Fasher charged Paul Salopek, a Pulitzer Prize-winning reporter for the Chicago Tribune, along with his Chadian interpreter and driver, with espionage, illegally disseminating information, and writing “false news.”
    Tomo Kriznar, a Slovenian freelance photographer was detained in Darfur on July 19 and sentenced on August 14 to two years in prison on what CPJ considers a spurious charge of espionage. Read CPJ’s protest letter.

  12. jaybo – when are you and your LGF friends organizing a protest against these anti-semites?

    Weinstein says Curtis recounted eight or nine separate incidents in which cadets and officers had made anti-Semitic remarks. One came in the heat of athletic competition, when an upperclassman taunted: “How does it make you feel to know that you killed Jesus Christ?”

    As for that Sudanese journalist – you should be overjoyed!! Taha was an Islamist!! One more towards the goal of a billion you freaks want to kill!

  13. Jim, let us not forget the $28,000,000 Safeco gave to the elect Mike? campaign. Bet they wish they could have that bad investment back.

  14. Clueless @ 16,

    That has got to be the most ironic part of the Islamo-Fascist movement. By far, they have killed more of their fellow muslims than other “infadels” in their attempt at purging Islam of heretics.

    Thanks for pointing that out to us!

  16. Did you ever think that the Democrats will work hard to impeach Bush if they get control of the Senate & House in November? Will they try to impeach Bush to get even for the Republican’s impeachment of Bill clinton?

  17. Howcan @19 I think you missed the point of the story. Mcsafeco gave a half assed confession and with his campaign lacking any issues to talk about, he was not given a pass on the inaccuracies (at best) in his open letter. Fact is both the press and blogs could see this as the shallow story controlling ploy that it was and were not going to go along with it if Mike? was going to be so greedy as to understate the facts at the same time.
    Mike? got what he had coming and the fact that he has yet to talk about where he is on the issues is no ones fault but his own.

  18. Mike McGavick: blackout drunk
    by Goldy, 09/05/2006, 3:39 PM

    “ Enough of McGavick soap opera “

    “ To me, this is not a big deal. He made a bad mistake. He hasn’t repeated it. End of story. “

    “ Since he voluntarily copped to drunken driving, the shrillest lefties have called McGavick “dishonest,” “immoral” and a “blackout drunk.” A Seattle P-I columnist, after first praising McGavick for possessing the courage of Socrates, turned on him with a vengeance, essentially calling him a liar. “

    “ I don’t see why this distinction matters, either. The point is the guy was drunk, he drove and he got busted. We wouldn’t know any of this if he hadn’t told us. He even recounted his precise blood-alcohol content, an embarrassing 0.17 percent. And for all this, he gets branded a liar? “

  19. ” The shrillest lefties… ”

    Clearly, Westneat knows you H’ASSes quite well

  20. Muslim jihadists in Iraq have used the following techniques on American prisoners. Is it torture?

    The first: the attention grab, involving the rough shaking of a prisoner.

    Second: the attention slap, an open-handed slap to the face.

    Third: belly slap, causing temporary intense pain, but no internal injuries.

    Fourth: long-term standing and sleep deprivation, 40 hours at least.

    Fifth: the cold room. Prisoners left naked in cells kept in the 50s and frequently doused with cold water.

    Sixth: so-called “water boarding,” in which a prisoner’s face was covered with cellophane, and water is poured over it–meant to trigger an unbearable gag reflex.

    Is this torture?

  21. jaybo

    “Mohammed Taha had previously angered Islamists…Mohammed Taha, 50, was an Islamist…”

    From what source (since you provided none) did you glean these little pearls of right-wing wisdom? The constant drumbeatf “Islamist…Islamist…Islamist…” is for the wingnut unwashed to lap up.

  22. Jaybo – and thank you jaybo for expressing your joy here at HA.org! Joyous moments are getting hard to come by these days for wingnuts in the run up to November.

    So are you and your fellow Christian Zionists going to support Mikey Weinstein and protest the Air Force Academy? CO Springs must be your kind of town. Get a bus going like the civil rights days.

    After CO Springs, keep the bus going east. Do a demonstation at the Pentagon. Anything to fight those anti-semites!

  23. BTW, jaybo, it seems from reading your unattributed article that, just like in Iraq, it is far more likely that the government kidnapped and beheaded him (to silence the press) than that any “Islamist” group did.

  24. Jaybo at 15: Perhaps you would prefer that we send in a bunch of Blackhawk helicopters to Sudan, loaded with Marines, Army, Rangers, and Delta Force, to maintain order there…

    Wait, already tried that in the Horn of Africa, didn’t work out to well, did it?

  25. McGavick – lying, drunk, insurance industry shilling, thief!

    Go Maria Cantwell!!!

  26. “for all this, he gets branded a liar? ”

    Nope. It’s for saying that he received a citation and was not arrested when the TRUTH is that he was arrested, handcuffed, and taken to the precinct, and for “shading the truth” in the Clintonian sense when he cliamed he had (paraphrased) “cut a yellow light too closely” instead saying he had run a red light. TRUTH v. McGavick. McGavick lost. THAT’S why he has been branded a liar.

  28. Regarding the ABC docufalsehood series:

    James Taranto acknowledges the obvioius comparsion: “The Clintonites may have a point here. A few years ago, when the shoe was on the other foot, we were happy to see CBS scotch ‘The Reagans.'”

    How I love the hypocrisy of wingnuts!

  29. I never thought I’d write these words, but give Taranto credit. He acknowledged the truth. It’s the others who should be ridiculed.

  30. So Bush claims that torture is just wonderful because torturing Abu Zubaydah led him to “identif[y] one of KSM’s accomplices in the 9/11 attacks — a terrorist named Ramzi bin al Shibh?” Really? Well, not so much. Spencer Ackerman writes:

    A Nexis search for “Ramzi Binalshibh” between September 11, 2001 and March 1, 2002–the U.S. captured Abu Zubaydah in March 2002–turns up 26 hits for The Washington Post alone. Everyone involved in counterterrorism knew who bin Al Shibh was. Now-retired FBI Al Qaeda hunter Dennis Lormel told Congress who Ramzi bin Al Shibh was in February 2002. Abu Zubaydah getting waterboarded and spouting bin Al Shibh’s name did not tell us anything we did not already know.

    That’s a month before Zubaydah’s capture, for the record. And, presumably, the FBI knew something about this matter before revealing it in public statements to congress. Bush is, once again, just making stuff up. Had enough?

    Bush-style routine application of torture is a genuinely unsound investigative technique. There’s a reason this is the best example Bush can come up with of the utility of his methods — his methods don’t work. Historically, the main use of torture has been to generate bogus confessions. Sometimes, this is deliberate policy — Stalin very much wanted a lot of bogus confessions and by using torture he got them. Why, exactly, Bush is so interested in ginning up this kind of pseudo-information I couldn’t say, but pseudo-information is precisely what he’s getting.

  31. Clinton the human slurpee is afraid the world we learn the truth.

    I’m totally disgusted with you traitorous apologists and I know you are too yellow cowardly to watch the video, you miserable pricks.

  32. The 30 million dollars ABC paid to produce this drivel mini-series was protection money paid to the Karl Rove gang.

    Somebody ought to file a RICO lawsuit against Rove.

  33. Proud ASS climbs out of her cave to show us Her intelligence. Must be a full moon.

  36. 20 “Did you ever think that the Democrats will work hard to impeach Bush if they get control of the Senate & House in November?”

    God damnit I hope so.

    Will they try to impeach Bush to get even for the Republican’s impeachment of Bill clinton?

    No, they’ll do it to stop him from killing people and fucking up our country and the rest of the world.

  37. ASS

    The truth is that the 9/11 attack occurred 8 1/2 months after Clinton left office, after his National Security Advisor told the Bush transition team to focus on bin Laden, and after Richard Clarke had presented a detailed plan to attack al Qaeda to the Bush transition team. Specifically, he proposed to “break up” al-Qaeda cells and arrest their personnel, to systematically attack the orgnaization’s financial support for its terrorist activities, freeze its assets, and stop its funding from fake charities. He poposed giving aid to nations where al-Qaeda was causing trouble: Uzbekistan, the Philippines, Yemen. Most importantly, Clarke proposed a dramatic increase in covert action in Afghanistan to “eliminate the sanctuary” where al-Qaeda had its terrorist training camps and where bin Laden was being protected by the radical Islamic Taliban regime. Clarke supported a increase in American support for the Northern Alliance, the last remaining resistance to the Taliban. That way, terrorists graduating from the training camps would have been forced to stay in Afghanistan, fighting (and dying) for the Taliban on the front lines. At the same time, according to his proposal, the U.S. military should start planning for air strikes on the camps and for the introduction of special-ops forces into Afghanistan. Wouldn’t that have been nice to be doing all this through 2001? We could started all this in January 2001 (Clarke finished his plan in Dec. 2000, but the Clinton administration did not want to hand the incoming Bush administration a war in progress), but instead the Bushies went on a tear about “missile defense” and, as we have seen from them again and again, ignored the advice of experts to pursue an ideologically-dictated goal.

    Not coincidentally, the 9/11 attack also occurred one month after Bush received a PDB titled “bin Laden determined to strike US,” sat his dumb ass back down in the recliner, and stayed on vacation until a week before we were hit.

  38. Tough season for inbred wingers like proud ASS. Senate repugs cancelled the vote on Bolton as they couldn’t find 60 votes to stop a Dem filibuster. RMTF LMAO

  39. “Did you ever think that the Democrats will work hard to impeach Bush if they get control of the Senate & House in November? Will they try to impeach Bush to get even for the Republican’s impeachment of Bill Clinton? ”

    I think it’s not likely. One: It takes two-thirds of the Senate to convict. Two: Democrats will have a slim majority, and the last impeachment made Republicans unpopular (their electoral victories came from other factors). Three: there’s too much slime to uncover to waste time and enrgy on an impeachment inquiry. Democrats know what we need is OVERSIGHT and ACCOUNTABILITY.

  40. How does it feel to hate your country, yellow cowards? Commentby howcanyoubePROUDtobeanASS— 9/7/06@ 10:04 am

    How does it feel to be so full of hatred for your fellow citizens? Life must be a real challenge for a person like you who hates at least half the citizens of this nation, as at least half the citizens of this nation disagree with you politically. The one attribute that most consistently characterizes the rightwing in this nation is hatred. What you don’t understand, you hate. That is why the right is incapable of governing.

  41. Yes, 9/11 happened in Bushes presidency, but it wasn’t implemented overnight: the human slurpee pig in chief was in power and in charge while the terrorsit plotted, planned and gained the hutzpah to carry out the terror attack. The slurpee pres CUT AND RUN from the terrorism launched and carried out on his watch; the slurpee pres said ‘no thanks’ when he was offered Bin Laden.

    Sorry sweetcheeks, the human slurpee wouldn’t be screaming like the stuck pig he is if he wasn’t in yellow fear about the truth of his inactions and cover-ups coming out.

  42. DL, there’s also the issue of the VP. Dick Cheney is Bush’s insurance policy. If Bush is removed from office, imagine how much worse things would be under Darth.

  43. ASS – we love our country, that’s why we’re trying to save it from the likes of people like you.

  45. Nice try lefty, you aren’t worthy of so big an emotion as hatred. You are akin to little gnats: annoying but utterly and ultimately insignificant.

    ***

    I noticed you all jumped right up and expressed your sadness at the horror of the video I linked.

    Yeah, right. You’re probably conflicted hoping for another to blame on Bush, yet worried that another would show his leadership and manhood which would, by comparison, highlight the missing testicles of you girls.

  46. * First New York World Trade Center attack 1993;
    * Dhahran , Saudi Arabia Khobar Towers Military complex 1996;
    * Nairobi , Kenya US Embassy 1998;
    * Dares Salaam , Tanzania US Embassy 1998;
    * Aden , Yemen USS Cole 2000;

    Golly gosh gee whiz… under whose presidency did these terrorost attack happen… and go UNANSWERED?

    The slurpee pres.

  47. Proud ASS, how does it feel to see your fantasies evaporating? Must be tough to watch your side becoming an ever smaller MINORITY. Too bad honey butt!

  48. Which presidency allowed the burning alive and dragging the bodies of US soldiers go unanswered?

    The slurpee pres.

  49. ASS

    “slurpee pres CUT AND RUN from the terrorism launched and carried out on his watch; the slurpee pres said ‘no thanks’ when he was offered Bin Laden.”

    Wrong. Richard Clarke (he was there, remember?), former counterterrorism czar for Bush I, Clinton and Bush II, and now counterterrorism adviser to ABC:

    1. Contrary to the movie, no US military or CIA personnel were on the ground in Afghanistan and saw bin Laden.

    2. Contrary to the movie, the head of the Northern Alliance, Masood, was no where near the alleged bin Laden camp and did not see UBL.

    3. Contrary to the movie, the CIA Director actually said that he could not recommend a strike on the camp because the information was single sourced and we would have no way to know if bin Laden was in the target area by the time a cruise missile hit it.

    Roger Cressy, former NSC director for counterterrorism:
    “Mr. Clinton approved every request made of him by the CIA and the U.S. military involving using force against bin Laden and al-Qaeda.”

  50. yellow cowards

    Ok ASS be truthful now. Are any of your kids in Iraq or Afghanistan protecting our country from this existential threat?

    Our country is in severe danger ASS. Any able-bodied person should be on the front lines under the vigorous leadership of the chickenhawk-in-chiefpreznit.

    If so my hats off to them for having the courage of their convictions.

  51. SEPTEMBER 6, 2006

    SPEAKERS: CULLY STIMSON, DEPUTY ASSISTANT SECRETARY OF DEFENSE FOR DETAINEE AFFAIRS

    LIEUTENANT GENERAL JOHN KIMMONS (USA), ARMY DEPUTY CHIEF OF STAFF FOR INTELLIGENCE

    KIMMONS: …No good intelligence is going to come from abusive practices. I think history tells us that. I think the empirical evidence of the last five years, hard years, tell us that.

    Moreover, any piece of intelligence which is obtained under duress, through the use of abusive techniques, would be of questionable credibility, and additionally it would do more harm than good when it inevitably became known that abusive practices were used. And we can’t afford to go there.

    Some of our most significant successes on the battlefield have been — in fact, I would say all of them, almost categorically all of them, have accrued from expert interrogators using mixtures of authorized humane interrogation practices in clever ways, that you would hope Americans would use them, to push the envelope within the bookends of legal, moral and ethical, now as further refined by this field manual.

    We don’t need abusive practices in there. Nothing good will come from them.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....01442.html

  52. First New York World Trade Center attack 1993;

    Unanswered?

    Two men were convicted Wednesday afternoon of conspiring to bomb New York’s World Trade Center in 1993, an attack that killed six people and injured more than 1,000.

    After three days of deliberation, a federal jury convicted Ramzi Yousef, 29, and Eyad Ismoil, 26, on murder and conspiracy charges for their roles in a plot by Islamic extremists to topple the trade center’s two 110-story towers.

    The men now face a maximum sentence of life in prison.

    http://www.cnn.com/US/9711/12/world.trade.center/

  53. Unanswered?

    Nearly five years after a powerful truck bomb ripped through a U.S. military housing complex in Saudi Arabia – killing 19 Americans and wounding 372 – terrorism charges have been brought against 13 members of the pro-Iran Saudi Hizballah, or “Party of God.” Another, as yet unidentified, person who is linked to the Lebanese Hizballah has also been charged in the attack.

    http://www.fbi.gov/pressrel/pressrel01/khobar.htm

  54. the missing testicles of you girls

    ASS – you found your calling. Advocate for hermaphroditism. You think girls should have testicles.

    You should move to the other Washington. The fish swimming in the Potomac show characteristics of both sexes. Just drink the water.

  55. Yes, leftist ASShole, my stepson served in Iraq and my nephew served in Iraq, as well as the slurpee presidents “war” in Bosnia… they were shot at while yellow armchair cowards like you whined.

  56. Get current aptlynamedclueless, the only ‘men’ in the liberal pigpen are the likes of Hitlary and queen chrissy. The rest of you are emasculated girlie-men they allow to worship them.

  57. Uanswered?

    Nairobi , Kenya US Embassy 1998;
    Dares Salaam , Tanzania US Embassy 1998;

    The U.S. response was twofold: militarily and economically. To retaliate on an economic level, President Clinton signed Executive Order 13099 on August 20, 1998 that prohibited transactions with terrorists who threatened to disrupt the Middle East peace process. 13099 further alleged that bin Laden and the Islamic Army Organization were the perpetrators of the attacks on the embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. The executive order attempted to freeze assets owned by bin Laden and al Qaeda and stipulated that U.S. citizens and firms could not do business with them. President Clinton ordered Operation Infinite Reach, a series of cruise missile strikes on terrorist targets in Sudan and Afghanistan on August 20, 1998, announcing the planned strike in a primetime address on American television. The choice of targets, the secrecy of the Administration’s deliberation, and the decision to pursue a military response in general all incited criticism and complaint.

    The criminal investigation ended with three hundred counts against the defendants. These counts included the utilization of weapons of mass destruction (WMD) against American targets, conspiracy to kill officers and employees of the U.S. government, conspiracy to murder U.S. nationals, and conspiracy to destroy U.S. buildings by the use of explosives. Defendants included:

    – Wadih El-Hage, the leader of the East African al Qaeda cell who arranged for the facilitation and delivery of false travel documents.
    – Mohammed Odeh, a technical advisor to al Qaeda operatives responsible for carrying out the bombings.
    – Mohamed Al-Owhali, an expert in explosives, hijacking and bombings who asked bin Laden for an assignment to execute jihad and personally threw stun grenades in an effort to force the embassy guard to allow him entry into the parking garage.
    – Khalfan Khamis Mohammed, who purchased the white Suzuki used to transport the components of the bomb, rented the house in Tanzania which operated as a bomb factory, helped put the bomb together, and loaded the bomb into the truck.

    In a federal trial in New York City that ended in June 2001, Mohamed Rashed Daoud Al-Owhali, Mohammed Odeh, Wadih el Hage, and Khalfan Khamis Mohamed were convicted of perpetrating the Nairobi bombing and were sentenced to life imprisonment without the possibility of parole.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1.....y_bombings

  58. Clueless @ 26,

    “Christian-Zionist”?

    So I guess that your opinion to any Jewish readers is Keep your “Jewishness” to yourself and we’ll get along just fine.

    “So are you and your fellow Christian Zionists going to support Mikey Weinstein and protest the Air Force Academy? CO Springs must be your kind of town. Get a bus going like the civil rights days.”

    In truth, many traditional Jews do not want to restrict the free expression of religion in public forums.

    In most cases, the ACLU and other groups use secular and Jewish atheists (like Goldy) to conduct their war against religion. Which, in reality is a war against any Jew that dares to freely express their “zionistic” beliefs as clueless so aptly posted…..

  59. President Clinton signed Executive Order 13099 on August 20, 1998 that prohibited transactions with terrorists who threatened to disrupt the Middle East peace process

    Worked real well, did it?

  60. Which presidency allowed the burning alive and dragging the bodies of US soldiers go unanswered?

    ASS – well the current Preznit did respond to a similar incident in Fallujah in a manner you approved of I’m sure.

    Where did it get us?

    Saddam is in jail. Zarqawi’s dead. Has it helped? Is the insurgency in its “last throes”?

    The chickenhawk-in-chief’s policies have failed and you’re too blind to see it.

  61. The executive order attempted to freeze assets owned by bin Laden and al Qaeda and stipulated that U.S. citizens and firms could not do business with them.

    The executive order attempted to freeze assets owned by bin Laden and al Qaeda and stipulated that U.S. citizens and firms could not do business with them.

    whoop de do

  62. Uanswered?

    Aden , Yemen USS Cole 2000;

    On 12 October 2000

    The U.S. government offered a reward of up to US$5 million for information leading to the arrest or conviction of those persons who committed or aided in the attack on Cole.

    Of course, it’s been six years now and Bush was on television yesterday STILL promising to bring the perps to justice. Talk about “unanswered!” I mean, yeah, sure, I believe him. Not.

  63. 19 Proud to show her fat ass:

    Care to show us where Westneat mentioned Goldy? How do you post something that has NOTHING TO DO WITH GOLDY and attempt to smear him with it. The piece mentions “another PI writer” and does not mention names.

    What a shit flinging bitch you are. Anything to make your side “right”.

  64. howcanyoubePROUDtobeanASS

    “Executive Order 13099…Worked real well, did it? ”

    I’m guessing that Republicans continued to do business as usual.

  65. PROUDtobeDELUSIONAL
    George W. Bush is as cowardly a president as this nation has ever had. Sending other people’s children into a war under false pretenses does not require courage. It requires chutzpah. That is an attribute that Bush and his boys have in spades. You don’t know what courage is. By the way, why do you hate your own gender so much? You equate cowardice with being feminine. If you are still claiming to be a woman, you must be full of self-loathing. I’ve met countless women who have courage to spare. Cowardice is a characteristic that men have at least as frequently as women. Bush and Cheney, who support wars in which they’re unwilling to serve, are good examples of male cowardice.

  66. ASS

    So where’s bin Laden? I thought your boy was gonna git ‘im dead or alive? That “worked real well” too, didn’t it?

  67. You cute little pink koolaid drinkers follow orders really well.

    Anti-war rant — “Chicken Hawk!”

    Chicken hawks: “cowards” who support the Iraq war, but never served in the military.

    An e-mail going around the Internet purports to list “chicken hawks,” including Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Vice President Dick Cheney and others. It includes people like myself, who applied for and received student deferments during the Vietnam War.

    Many oppose the Iraq war in good faith, believing the war ill-advised, while questioning its prosecution. But the anti-war critics’ sudden respect for military service simply astonishes. Call them born-again GI Joes. When did military experience become so important?

    Former President Bill Clinton remains rabidly popular among Democrats. The former president continuously offers his opinions about world affairs, including the war in Iraq. But where were the chicken hawk accusers when Clinton ran for president? Recall that Clinton campaigned — not once, but twice — against two opponents who not only served, but served heroically and with distinction.

    Clinton first, in 1992, defeated George Herbert Walker Bush. Bush-41 enlisted in the Navy on his 18th birthday, and after completing 10 months of training, he became the youngest naval aviator in the war. On a mission to attack Japanese installations in the Pacific, Bush’s plane was shot and the engines caught fire. Bush completed his attack — releasing his bombs scoring several damaging hits — then flew several miles out to sea where he bailed out, and rescuers fished him from the water hours later. Bush received the Distinguished Flying Cross, three Air Medals and the Presidential Unit Citation awarded to the USS San Jacinto.

    Clinton, running for re-election in 1996, defeated Sen. Bob Dole, R-Kan. Fighting the Nazis in the hills of Italy in April of 1945, Dole’s platoon came under attack. His radioman hit, Dole crawled out of his foxhole to assist the downed man. Nazi machine gun fire tore into his upper right back and arm. His right arm was so badly damaged it was unrecognizable. He was not expected to live. The extensive therapy for his rebuilt arm took about three years and nine operations. Dole, twice decorated for heroic achievement, received two Purple Hearts for his injuries and the Bronze Star Medal for his attempt to assist the downed radioman.

    As for Clinton’s own record, his student deferment ended in 1968 following his final undergraduate year at Georgetown. A prominent Arkansas lawyer and former judge interceded, persuading the county draft board chairman to put Clinton’s draft notice in a “back drawer” for a while. But in his first year at Oxford, Clinton received a draft notice. Influential friends helped Clinton get into the ROTC — even though he already had an induction notice — and Clinton managed to get accepted to the Arkansas ROTC program 11 days before his scheduled induction. The military expected him to attend Arkansas Law School in the fall and begin ROTC after his basic training.

    Clinton, instead, returned to Oxford for the next school year. After the first draft lottery, Clinton’s number was so high it was not likely to be chosen. Clinton then changed his ROTC reserve status — which he had never fulfilled — back to “ready to serve.” In his letter to the Arkansas ROTC, explaining why he reneged on his agreement, he stated that he “loathed” the military.

    Clinton, at the 2004 Democratic National Convention, hailed the military record of the party’s standard-bearer, Sen. John F. Kerry, D-Mass. In endorsing Kerry, Clinton stirred up the convention with the refrain “Send me” — contrasting Clinton’s own non-service with Kerry’s willingness to serve.

    And yes, Kerry did serve honorably. But, according to the Harvard Crimson, Kerry first received four student deferments before graduating from Yale. He then applied for a fifth deferment so he could study in Paris, but the military turned him down. Shortly before he was to be drafted into the Army, Kerry joined the Naval Reserves.

    Filmmaker Michael Moore, former President Jimmy Carter’s seating companion at the 2004 Democratic National Convention, once called President George W. Bush “a deserter.” How, one wonders, does the filmmaker feel about the service record of the chairman of the Democratic National Committee, Howard Dean?

    Dean, during a military physical, carried with him X-rays and a letter from an orthopedist noting a back condition called spondylolisthesis. U.S. military doctors classified Dean 1Y — a medical deferment. Yet Dean spent the next year pouring concrete and enjoying skiing in Aspen.

    Do those who call non-military war supporters “chicken hawks” wish to confine the Iraq debate to only current and former members of the military? This excludes over 90 percent of living Americans. But, for the sake of argument, let’s confine the Iraq war debate to those who served in the military, active and reserve, current and retired. Polls show 70-80 percent of military personnel supported Bush’s re-election.

    We are at war against Islamo-fascism. Reasonable people can debate the validity and prosecution of the war in Iraq. But reasoned debate and cheap shots are two different things.

  68. So where’s bin Laden? I thought your boy was gonna git ‘im dead or alive? That “worked real well” too, didn’t it?-Commentby Daddy Love— 9/7/06@ 10:56 am

    We’d ALL know where he was if the slurpee pres hadn’t chosen a blow job over a terrorist.

  69. I don’t want to get techincal with a moron, proudtoshowmyfatass, but Islamo-fascism is not really a term. They are mutually exclusive. You might try googling. Dumb bitch. It is a term your president came up with, it sounds bad and paints him as a cowboy again, but it really has no meaning.

  70. proudtoshowmybigfatass,

    I bet your husband would like a blowjob. Maybe John Craig or Pussypud can help him out. I am sure he does not come anywhere near you, you bitter, dried up old prune.

  71. George W. Bush is as cowardly a president as this nation has ever had. Sending other people’s children into a war under false pretenses does not require courage. It requires chutzpah. That is an attribute that Bush and his boys have in spades. You don’t know what courage is. By the way, why do you hate your own gender so much? You equate cowardice with being feminine. If you are still claiming to be a woman, you must be full of self-loathing. I’ve met countless women who have courage to spare. Cowardice is a characteristic that men have at least as frequently as women. Bush and Cheney, who support wars in which they’re unwilling to serve, are good examples of male cowardice. -Commentby Anonymous— 9/7/06@ 10:56 am

    1. Your slurpee pres… where did serve?
    2. I never “claimed” to be woman…. nor a man…
    3. refer to number 1… add Dean

  72. Your hero pres, where did he serve? He spent his service time avoiding service. I guess that is what “Mission Accomplished” really meant.

  73. God, I just love it when you girls can’t argue… you turn to personal attacks… and are about as effective as an attack Chihuahua.

  74. Personally, I don’t care if a candidate had a DUI 13 years ago, and hasn’t repeated it since. It is not an automatic disqualifier from public office. The same rules apply to McGavick as apply to Justice Bobbie Bridges.

    I don’t care whether or not he told the officer he had two or three beers, when he obviously had quite a few more. Everybody does that when they are pulled over on suspician of DUI.

    I do think he tried to minimize his culpability in his public statement, saying he pushed a yellow light (when he really busted right through a steady red light), and that he had “too much” to drink, when he was really very drunk (enough to blow a 1.7 BAT and fall asleep at the police station). Again, a bit of a natural reaction for all of us to understate an embarrasing moment in our lives, so not an automatic disqualifier.

    But this really was a self-inflicted wound. Even I, a real novice in the political world, would know enough to make sure I had a copy of everything, including the arrest report and any booking photos, before I disclosed it publically. If McGavick had made the disclosure and released the arrest report himself, it would be the non-issue he originally wanted it to be. His assumption that everyone would automatically accept his version of the events, without checking it out further, seems to be a bit arrogant. But I’m actually more concerned that perhaps it shows that he shoots from the hip, relies upon his recollections when he should be checking the details, and doesn’t do his homework.

    But I’m even more concerned about his comments on the radio, on the “Ron and Don” show, and later on the “Dorin Monson” show, when both DJ’s pressed him on whether he would quit drinking, or at least promise not to drink and drive. He refused each time, being a little offended at the suggestion, only saying that he wouldn’t drink as much and drive at the same time.

    That might be within his rights legally, but if I were running for public office and I had a DUI on my record, the first thing I would do was pledge not to take another drink until after I left public office. It really isn’t that big a price to pay for one of the highest offices in the land. But McGavick’s refusal to do that, and insistence that he would continue to drink, indicates to me that alchohol is a bit too important in his life for my comfort level.

  76. ASS – well, well, well – we have two approaches to combating terrorism both of which seem to have mixed results.

    One results in almost 6000 dead (yes 9/11 happened on Shrub’s watch), thousands of limbs lost and PTSD warped minds, a huge recruitment drive for more terrorists from all the collateral damage, a perilous national debt and an almost universal disdain throughout the world.

    The other results in un-paralleled american prosperity, a balanced budget, reduced debt, neglible lives and limbs lost and preserves America as a beacon of hope throughout the world. Terrorists like Ramsi Youseff are captured and jailed and other terrorists are steadily targeted and put out of business.

    I know which approach I prefer.

  77. @17- Particle man- when you get a court to agree with you, I’ll take your rantings seriously.

  79. ASS

    Clinton did not support the Vietnam war and avoided it. A lot of people did not vote for him because of this.

    Shrub supported the Vietnam war and avoided it and got special favors to help him avoid it. His last two years in the TANG, he was more or less MIA. Some people voted him in spite of this!

  80. Still waiting for you to tell me when Bush was side by side with John Kerry in that boat on the river in Viet Nam. Oh, that’s right, he was perfecting “Mission Accomplished” in Texas.

    How To Avoid Real Military Service, While Serving Your Country, by George W. Bush.

    Your president can send fine young men to do a job he was afraid of doing.

    My dog is smarter, and braver, than your president!

  81. Shall we find the quotes about how the slurpee pres and his master Hitlary “loathe” the military?

    ‘Loathing’ is a far cry form “avoiding”.

    Some people voted for GW? Um no, I don’t think so… THE MAJORITY VOTED FOR BUSH, because the didn’t believe the lies of FifiKerry, Dan RATher and moron.org.

    Nice try, aptlynamedclueless.

    By the way, WHICH branch did you serve in? Where did YOU get your MBA? How many FIGHTER JETS have you mastered? ps.. SuperNintendo jets don’t count, sweetcheeks.

  82. In order to be a “chickenhawk”, by definition you have to have avoided any “real” military service during a time of war, yet be quite strident about putting other people into harm’s way.

    Cheney, Rove, Limbaough, and others are chickenhawks.

    I previously mistakenly called Rumsfield a Chickenhawk. I think I was thinking of Cheney when I said that. But Rumsfield did serve in the peacetime Air Force, and in the reserves after that. I don’t call him a chickenhawk just because the nation wasn’t at war when he was on active duty, that was just the luck of the draw. I still think he’s a lousy Secty of Defense, but for other reasons (i.e., his record). Gore also served during the War, and actually went to Vietnam, but was in a non-combat position. Again, the luck of the draw.

    Bush falls into a special catagory, joining the Texas Air National Guard, but only after it was assured that he would be safe from going to Vietnam and sfe from actually being put in any danger. In this I don’t distinguish any difference between himself and Dean or Clinton. All used the system to avoid going to Vietnam. The fact that he did it in uniform, while Clinton and Dean used other available deferments, doesn’t make a difference to me.

    Of course, Bush’s situation is compounded by the rather blatant use of his father’s political position to get him into the National Guard, and to excuse him duty while there, and to allow him to skip out of his final years of service completely. Those combined factors, along with his insistence in putting American soldiers in harm’s way without an adequate strategy to complete the task and an exit strategy, makes him a “Chickenhawk”.

    By the way, is that pimple on Limbaugh’s ass still bothering him? That was his excuse for not serving during Vietnam.

  83. Oh, that’s right, he was perfecting “Mission Accomplished” in Texas.

    Oh boy that’s good! Boy George was practicing his cod-piece strut even then!

  84. Fifi Kerry only served because he could no longer scam his deferment. Fifi Kerry joined the Navy because he was afraid of the jungle. Fifi kerry STILL hasn’t released his military records.

    Oh how I hope FiFi Kerry runs for president again.

  85. By the way, WHICH branch did you serve in? Where did YOU get your MBA? How many FIGHTER JETS have you mastered? ps.. SuperNintendo jets don’t count, sweetcheeks.

    Do you even KNOW anyone who served in Vietnam?
    How about Desert Storm?
    Bosnia?
    Haiti?
    Afghanistan?
    Iraq?

  86. ASS

    “THE MAJORITY VOTED FOR BUSH”

    That was 2004. In 2000, a distinct minority voted for Bush.

  87. We killed the PATRIOT Act.”
    — December 17, 2005 Sen. Harry Reid

    Our troops have become the enemy.”
    — November 18, 2005 Rep. John Murtha

    “I don’t really consider ourselves at war.”
    — May 6, 2002 Rep. Nancy Pelosi

  88. Uh oh… poor little pink libs…

    AL JAZEERA BROADCASTS OSAMA MEETING 9/11 HIJACKERS VIDEO

  89. By the way, WHICH branch did you serve in? Where did YOU get your MBA? How many FIGHTER JETS have you mastered?

    ASS – like most people in this country I didn’t have the kind of family wealth and connections to get me into Harvard or get a favor like being put at the head of a line to avoid combat duty in Vietnam so other could serve in my place.

    However, the way I was raised if I did receive such a favor I would have been reminded that others were serving in my place and I owed it to them to serve honorably. Six years is a long time but it’s a small price to pay considering that others died for that privilege.

    Shrub failed that test.

  90. “I don’t belong to an organized political party. I’m a Democrat.” – Will Rogers.

    Howcanyoubeproud (9/7/06@ 11:00 am) stated:

    “Reasonable people can debate the validity and prosecution of the war in Iraq. But reasoned debate and cheap shots are two different things.”

    Wow. Couldn’t have said it better myself.

    9/7/06@ 10:04 am “How does it feel to hate your country, yellow cowards?
    9/7/06@ 10:29 am “Sorry sweetcheeks, the human slurpee wouldn’t be screaming like the stuck pig he is if he wasn’t in yellow fear about the truth of his inactions and cover-ups coming out.”
    9/7/06@ 10:35 am “You are akin to little gnats: annoying but utterly and ultimately insignificant.”
    9/7/06@ 10:46 am Yes, leftist ASShole, my stepson served in Iraq and my nephew served in Iraq, as well as the slurpee presidents “war” in Bosnia… they were shot at while yellow armchair cowards like you whined.
    9/7/06@ 10:49 am “Get current aptlynamedclueless, the only ‘men’ in the liberal pigpen are the likes of Hitlary and queen chrissy. The rest of you are emasculated girlie-men they allow to worship them.”
    9/7/06@ 11:01 am “We’d ALL know where he was if the slurpee pres hadn’t chosen a blow job over a terrorist.”
    9/7/06@ 11:09 am “Do you pee on the floor when you’re nervous too?”

    and one of my personal favorites:

    9/7/06@ 11:08 am “God, I just love it when you girls can’t argue… you turn to personal attacks… and are about as effective as an attack Chihuahua.

    Mind you, this is a short check of posts on this thread.

    Still, I can hope that Howcanyoubeproud might actually read some of the articles he pastes here. Can’t I?

  91. ASS @ 72

    Oh, come on! Your boy has had five years to get him, and he promised he would. You can keep on jabbering about blowjobs, but Clinton left office in early 2001 and bin Laden is sitting around somewhere laughing at us because Dipshit Bush can’t find his ass with both hands, let alone deliver us from our most important threat. No, he’d rather show up his daddy by knocking over a tinhorn Third World dictator and bog us down in a conflict that is draining out treasury and doing NOTHING to keep us safe from (who else?) bin Laden. What a loser.

    Did I mention Bush’s busddies in Pakistan sayoing they’ll just leave bin Laden alone from now on? Talk about effective leadership…Bush hasn’t any.

  92. So, in other words, despite your Hate Bush screed, what you are trying to avoid saying IS YOU DID NOT SERVE.

    Why are you too cowardly to just say it: “I have not served my country.”

    Has your wife? Your son? Your brother? Your dad? Your dog?

  94. 90 – I have not served in the military but we’re not talking about me. We’re talking about the people making the current policy and the people supporting that policy and why.

    Vietnam – Yes
    Desert Storm – Yes
    Bosnia – No
    Haiti – No
    Afghanistan – No
    Iraq – Yes

    I have one person living on my block who works for the army and may be sent to Iraq. Yes, she’s a conservative and we don’t discuss politics. I prefer to quietly fight so that she doesn’t have to go and risk leaving her two children motherless.

  95. “One person living on your block”

    Gee you’ve rally made a sacrifice for your country, haven’t you?

  96. We’re talking about the people making the current policy -Commentby For the Clueless— 9/7/06@ 11:51 am

    Kinda like this patriot, huh?

    Our troops have become the enemy.”
    – November 18, 2005 Rep. John Murtha

  97. “I don’t belong to an organized political party. I’m a Democrat.” – Will Rogers.

    “Why are you too cowardly to just say it: “I have not served my country.””

    In answer to your post at 11:47, yes, I served. 21 years active duty Navy, including the first Gulf war.

    http://www.lonesailor.org/log......me=barelli

    My brother did 8 years active, also in the Navy, my father did four years in the Army back in Korea. My father-in-law served in WWII. Shall I go on?

  98. Hey howcanyoubePROUDtobeanEVILfuckingchristianitBITCH-

    Looks like the first neo-clown is on the way out.

    Bolton’s not going to be nominated again. The petulant little pResident will have to have a hissy fit about something else.

  99. Howcanyoube asked:

    “dear john, do you understand the use of quotes and links?

    I thought not.”

    Oh, my apologies. That comment you posted about reasoned debate was not your actual opinion, you just forgot to edit that part out of your cut-and-paste. My bad.

  100. P.S.-

    It’s probably been brought up here before on this thread, but it’s worth mentioning AGAIN…Bushie the Bubble Boy GOT the memo saying Bin Laden was gonna use airplanes to attack the US and did

    ABSOLUTELY

    FUCKING

    NOTHING.

    And you have the nerve to defend his sorry ass.

    Traitors. BOTH of you. You and your ass-wipe of a HERO.

  101. Well, I sincerely thank you for your service John… however the question wasn’t directed at you.

  102. ASS – again this is not about me. This is about the people making the policy, the people supporting it and why.

    80 sums up why I do not support the policy and why I believe things have to change this November. The people making the policy have not been held to account for their disastrous decisions. The spineless Congress has been MIA as they have been more or less bought off.

    This is corruption. This has to end IMHO.

  105. Our troops have become the enemy.

    Yep, when you lose it and start killing innocent people as happens in every war, you hurt the people you’re trying to help and become the enemy.

    Haditha was a replay of My Lai.

    That’s why if you’re going to fight a war, you better get in quick, achieve your objective, get out quick and have a damn good reason for doing it in the first place. Isn’t this known as the Powell Doctrine?

    Remember him? SecState under Shrub? First term?

  106. BTW, howcanyoubePROUDtobeanEVILfuckingchristianistBITCH-

    Looks like the FISA Amendment is going down, too.

    The assault on the Constitution by your little Neo-Klown Dobsonite buddies is starting to wither.

    Pretty soon…OMG…gay people will be able to marry!!!!

  107. THREE countries now have blossoming democracies instead of despots… but aptlynamedclueless doesn’t support it.

    An avowed enemy of the USA, Libya, has given up nukes, but aptlynamedclueless doesn’t support it.

    I have no doubt that if he had been there, aptlynamedclueless wouldn’t have supported the Revolutionary War, the Civil War, in retaliation for the sinking of the Lusitania or the war in retaliation against the Japanese attacks and German murderous regime…. although I expect he cheered bobmbing that aspirin factory when he came out of hiding.

  108. howcanyoubePROUDtobeanEVILfuckingchristianistBITCH doesn’t give a flying fuck about history, the Constitution, human rights or anything else.

    Just as long as you keep turkey basters out of the hands of lesbians…she’s happy.

  109. “I don’t belong to an organized political party. I’m a Democrat.” – Will Rogers.

    Howcanyoubeproud 9/7/06@ 11:59 am

    Hmmm. Seemed like a general condemnation of every liberal or Democrat on this board, which would include me. Others here can speak for their own service.

    I will be the first to note that right wing posters here are not treated with a great deal of courtesy, and I think that this is a mistake. Ranting and cursing never convinced anyone, and I know for a fact that some of the folks over at SP look over here and go back convinced that most liberals are rude, crude and have no real opinion other than a hatred for all things Republican.

    On the other hand, some of the right-wing posters here seem to be loudly making the same point about conservatives.

    I used to occasionally post over at SP, and finally got tired of the abuse. Mr. Sharkanski is quick to pull posts from liberals, not so quick to call conservatives on the same tactics. Still, it’s his board, and he makes no claim that he is trying to be evenhanded. He’s conservative, and he openly says so. Liberals posting there (even me) should expect a certain level of abuse.

    Nevertheless, when posting in the “other team’s” blog, you could probably carry more weight by keeping the personal attacks out of it. If you wish, you can use that same little “mantra” that I tried to use over on SP. “Never argue with an idiot, they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience:

  110. ASS, a question.

    Can all Americans serve in the Armed Forces? I mean, we have a standing army of about 400,000, out of about 30 million men and women of elegible age. Are the 29 million or so who do not serve to be forever insulted by your lame ass? I mean, by your lame ASS?

  111. So let’s see if we can make sense of your blathering Rugrat… an avowed liberal jurist, rewarded with a bench by PeeNUTS Carter, who happens to live in the most concentrated Muslim city and state in the US and who is a well known and publicly supporter the ACLU ruled in FAVOR of a case brought by the ACLU.

    Sure, no problem there.

    BTW, did you happen to notice how ALJAZEERA celebrated?

    Did you happen to catch the reaction of every other lawyer in the country?

  112. Bushies’ Grandpappy was a financial backer of the NAZI regime. But does howcanyoubePROUDtobeanEVILfuckingchristianistBITCH care?

    Naaaahhhhh.

    The Bushies have been bidnizzz partners with the Bin Laden family for (at least) THIRTY YEARS, but does howcanyoubePROUDtobeanEVILfuckingchristianistBITCH?

    Naaaahhhh.

    President Clinton wanted to beef up Anti-Terrorism operations but KEY REPUBLICAN SENATORS blocked the effort. Does howcanyoubePROUDtobeanEVILfuckingchristianistBITCH care?

    Naaaahhhh.

    The Provisional Authority in Iraq headed by the Bushie and Neo-Klown HAND PICKED “Viceroy” Paul Bremer LOST…

    NINE BILLION DOLLARS

    …belonging to the American People. Does howcanyoubePROUDtobeanEVILfuckingchristianistBITCH care?

    Naaaahhhh.

    Just give her all your TURKEY BASTERS and nobody gets hurt.

  114. John Barelli,

    My fathers mantra was this: The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limit. Fools, like ProudAss believe they are the former, while parading in the latters clothes.

    Carl Grossman
    Liberal, Democrat and I know a fool when I see one.

  115. ASS – I love democracy whereever it sprouts up. I just don’t believe it should come at the end of the barrels of U.S. guns. It’s too freaking expensive and creates more trouble for us. Let the people who want democracy create it for themselves like we did. Then they have a stake in fighting for it and preserving it.

    Gaddafi has given up his WMD programs but he still runs a ramshackle Stalinst dictatorship. We’re going to look the other way because we’ll get at his oil. Any talk of democracy in Libya? Didn’t think so.

  116. Check your history aptlynamedclueless YOUR freedom came at great cost AND at the end of barrels of guns…. but don’t let any facts get in your way.

  117. Well my supercillious little asswipe friend.

    Your hate-filled spew is about all you have to contribute to here…

    So who’s got the facts behind them little miss delusional bitch? Gee, I wonder.

    And please…stay as you are. Your entertainment value is non-pariel!!!

  119. Daddy Love— 9/7/06@ 12:21 pm

    Uh, Daddy Love? A quick point. While I find it outrageous that so many on the right are loudly supporting this war while staying home, save on the La-z-boy, I must also point out that there is no shortage of openings in the Armed Forces.

    The Army is almost to the point where they will take anyone that can manage to fog a mirror.

    Your argument works when folks are being turned away. Of course, there is always the point that, while some anti-war folks have not served, they are also not proposing to send some other person’s kid off to get killed. That seems like a perfectly reasonable point to make.

  121. Wait a minute john. I read that all branches of service are meeting and/or exceeding their recruitment/ re-enlistment goals… particularly the Army and the Marines.

  122. Hey howcanyoubePROUDtobeanEVILfuckingchristianistBITCH-

    Three Little Words:

    MY

    PET

    GOAT.

    THAT’S your fucking “President Bush”.

    Right There.

  123. 122 – No ASS you check your history.

    OUR freedom came at the end of OUR guns. Not Hessian guns or French guns. They helped but WE did the huge bulk of the fighting and the dying.

    Should we help others? Absolutely. But the majority of folks in other places have to really want it and have their act together like WE did. Iraqis should fight for and preserve their freedom. Not Americans. It’s not our place.

    Not to mention the reasons Shrub gave for going in were totally bogus.

    Iraq was the wrong war at the wrong time. BILLIONS have been wasted. We are poorer and no safer. My kids are going to have to pay for this debacle.

    That’s what pisses me off more than anything.

  125. Oh and I just LOOOOVE how the Incredible Shrinking Chickenshit in Chief cowered on Air Force One after the attacks.

    WOW.

    What a beacon of strength and courage.

    This is howcanyoubePROUDtobeanEVILfuckingchristianistBITCH’s idea of a REAL Leader.

  126. Proud ASS, please keep your diatribes flowing. Today has been more fun than the 1st year of ‘Saturday Night Live’!

  127. We are no safer?

    How many attacks since 9/11/01?

    Bad info? Ask the Britons… they supplied it, they verified it, they acted upon it…. you may want to mention that bad infor to Bin Laden and his heaqdhunters who TRAINED in Iraq.

  128. Oh and I just LOOOOVE how the Incredible Shrinking Chickenshit in Chief cowered on Air Force One after the attacks.

    WOW.

    What a beacon of strength and courage -Commentby Rujax!— 9/7/06@ 12:46 pm

    rugrat, surely even you can’t possibly that stupid.

    The fact of the matter is you that WISH he had hurried to the 2nd tower and shouted “come get me”, while they did.

  129. “I don’t belong to an organized political party. I’m a Democrat.” – Will Rogers.

    Howcanyoubeproud 9/7/06@ 12:37 pm

    “Wait a minute john. I read that all branches of service are meeting and/or exceeding their recruitment/ re-enlistment goals… particularly the Army and the Marines.”

    While the numbers appear to be getting better this year, there have been increasing problems with quality, as the standards have been dropped (as happens in any war). Still, some of what is being done to address the shortfalls and meet the quotas has many folks troubled.

    From the AP: “Grueling combat conditions in Iraq, a decent commercial job market and tough monthly recruiting goals have made recruiters’ jobs more difficult, the Government Accountability Office said Monday. This has probably prompted more recruiters to resort to strong-arm tactics, including harassment or criminal means such as falsifying documents, to satisfy demands, GAO states.” (While some may doubt the fairness of the AP, the source for this information is the GAO.)

    Let me be quick to point out that most recruiters from all service do a very tough job honestly and honorably. The exceptions to that seem to be getting more numerous, but they are still exceptions.

    Additionally, even with the current number of recruits, the Army has not been able to rescind the “stop loss” orders, allowing members to leave active duty once they have served their agreed period of years.

    No, I think I can stand by my statement. Recruiting is tough these days, and if someone is willing to sign up, the Army will almost always find a place for him or her. I’ll consider revising my opinion of the folks willing to let other people’s kids go fight when the recruiting offices have waiting lines.

  130. You libs certainly are proof of the saying “The enemy of my enemy is my friend.”

    Proud of your friends, little libs? …

    “Oh followers of (Taliban leader) Mullah Mohammed Omar, oh sons of (Al-Qaeda leader) Osama bin Laden, oh disciples of (slain Al-Qaeda in Iraq leader) Abu Mussab al-Zarqawi … I urge each of you to kill at least one American within a period not exceeding 15 days,” Muhajer said.

    The two broadcasts came four days before the fifth anniversary of the September 11 attacks.

    Muhajer added: “I do not doubt for an instant victory” against US-led forces in Iraq, calling President George W. Bush a “liar” and a “dog.”

    “Do not be proud of the number and the equipment” (of your army), Muhajer said.

    “The war has just begun.”

  131. The young men I know that have volunteered are not bottom of the barrel kids… they are private school graduates with great SAT scores and terrific futures awaiting them. Two that I know are sons of GOP politicians. They joined, not because they need free health care or college tuition… their economic backgrounds certainly indicate they do not. They joined because they believe in the mission, they joined because they love their country.

  132. Proud, I tend to agree with your post @ 137. (No offense intended towards man’s best friend)

  134. 87. “Rumsfield did serve in the peacetime Air Force, and in the reserves after that. I don’t call him a chickenhawk just because the nation wasn’t at war when he was on active duty, that was just the luck of the draw.”

    Or maybe it was that at the time we had something resembling competent leadership.

  135. “I don’t belong to an organized political party. I’m a Democrat.” – Will Rogers.

    Howcanyoubeproud 9/7/06@ 1:00 pm

    “The young men I know that have volunteered are not bottom of the barrel kids…

    Even if they were, signing their name, raising their hands and putting their lives on the line puts them head and shoulders above the rest of that barrel. No argument from me.

    Not everyone that supports this war is either a hypocrite or a warmonger. I try not to use brushes that are quite that broad. Even some of the folks that have never served are still supporting the war because they feel it is the right thing to do.

    Not everyone that does not support this war is a wonderful person, patriotic and true. Some are anti-war because they see an opportunity to advance themselves, and have no care for the men and women that are fighting and dieing. They would be pro-war if they thought that would be a better way to advance themselves.

    Still, I tend to listen more respectfully to people (on both sides of this issue) when they have either served or have a loved one serving.

    But when someone who has not served says “other people’s kids should not have to die for this”, it carries a bit more credibility than when someone who has not served says that this is an issue worth fighting and dieing for.

    A “dove” that has not served retains more credibility than a “hawk” that has not served.

    And as to the young men you know that volunteered, they, along with all of our troops, will be in my prayers.

  136. ASS @ 112

    “THREE countries now have blossoming democracies instead of despots…An avowed enemy of the USA, Libya, has given up nukes…”

    Iraq a “blossoming democracy?” Don’t tell me…you watch Fox Nerws, right?

    I’m guesing you don’t mean our buddies in Uzbekistan, whre opposition parties are illegal and the government tortures dissidents, or Saudi Arabia, who jail members of the press and reformers and tortures prisoners.

    Do you mean Lebanon, where we really had almost nothing to do with Syria leaving that country, but DID encourage Israel to invade and occupy? And presumably Afghanistan, where opium exports since we invaded are now six times world demand, and Hamid Karzai is the proud Mayor of Kabul (when he dares to go out)??

  137. John Barelli @ 125

    My “argument,” to the extent that there was one, was that ASS is impugning the masculinity, courage, and whatever else he can think of, of anyone who has not “served.” My point is that if only about 2% of our population CAN serve, he insults a bunch of people who could not do anything about it even if they wanted to and denigrates anyone who, for example, works in an industry that “supports the troops” while remaing home with the other 98% of his/her generation.

    For example, the Selective Service Administration just switched to Microsoft Office (the Director bragged about it in the report I got my earlier numbers from). Doesn’t that mean that woking for Microsoft is “supporting the troops,” or even “serving your country?”

  138. Ass @

    “We are no safer? How many attacks since 9/11/01?”

    Well if you mean in the US, just the anthrax attacks. Bush really caught THAT guy, didn’t he?

    If you mean worldwide, terrorist attacks tripled from 2001 to 2003, so in 2004 the Bush administration stopped creating the report chronicling such events, for obvious reasons. The Washington Post reported they tripled AGAIN between 2003 and 2004: “655 last year, up from the record of around 175 in 2003, according to congressional aides who were briefed on statistics covering incidents including the bloody school seizure in Russia and violence related to the disputed Indian territory of Kashmir…Terrorist incidents in Iraq also dramatically increased, from 22 attacks to 198, or nine times the previous year’s total.”

  139. ASS @ 134:

    That question you posed cannot be answered accurately since the Bush administration stopped the US State Dept from publishing the number of terrorists attacks around the globe.

    Throughout the ’90’s under President Clinton terrorists attacks around the globe dropped every single year, year over year. Every year under Bush, terrorist attacks have gone up year over year.

    So, to answer your question how many terrorist attacks since 9/11/01 no one knows for certain other than officials in the Bush administration. Their silence speaks volumes considering the opposite of increased attacks would bolster Bush’s false claims of making progress in the War on Terror.

    Nothing could be further from the truth, unless, of course, you’re seeing it from Al Qaeda’s prospective. And, considering the financial ties between the Bush Crime Family and the bin Laden Terrorist Organization they are, in fact, on the same team.

    Of course, you being a cowardly, christian conservative, right-wing, whacko, believer of anything the RNC and Fox News tells you to believe, you probably want to limit the meaning of the number of terrorist attacks to just American soil, regardless of reality.

    Am I right?

    Of course I am. I’m the opposite of you which by definition means I’m correct and you’re wrong.

    Buh-bye you un-American bastard.

  140. “I don’t belong to an organized political party. I’m a Democrat.” – Will Rogers.

    Commentby Daddy Love— 9/7/06@ 1:33 pm

    Well, I still think that the argument would carry more weight if any sizable portion of that 98% was being turned away. Almost anyone willing to serve currently has the opportunity.

    I find it very troubling, even with the current war, that so few are willing to serve. While it may bolster the argument that the war is unpopular, it is also a longer-term trend that does not speak well for the future of our country.

    I do note that the Peace Corps does seem to be meeting its goals, and this gives me some hope. While it isn’t often noted, those folks put their lives on the line in support of our country’s goals, just as much as the military. They just don’t get to shoot back.

    Still, the idea that people should serve their country (or at least make the attempt) seems to have fallen by the wayside. It’s become more important to “make it big” or “get to the top”. Less of a concern for “doing your duty”.

    One of my favorite authors, Robert Heinlein, wrote a book called “Starship Troopers”. (The movie deliberately misrepresented many of Mr. Heinlein’s concepts – read the book.)

    In it, he had a society where a person must volunteer for service in order to earn the right to vote. That service was not always (or even often) military service, but the applicant did not get to choose. Anyone could join, regardless of ability. Except when actually in combat, any member could quit at any time, forfeiting nothing except that they never get a second chance to earn the right to vote.

    Put your own life on the line for two years (even the non-combat service was often uncomfortable and occasionally dangerous), complete your service, (folks in the service did not vote) and you get to vote. You receive that awesome power that so many people take for granted, the power to choose the government.

    At one time, Mr. Heinlein (a veteran himself) proudly made the comment “my country has never fought a preemptive war.” That was before Vietnam and several others that he was not happy about.

    He volunteered for service and encouraged others to do so. He loved his country with a passion that I have rarely seen, while being merciless with its faults, and seemed to believe the whole of the “my country, right or wrong” phrase.

    My country, right or wrong.
    When right, to be kept right.
    When wrong, to be made right.

    Perhaps only 2% can serve, but we can barely find 2% that are willing to serve. I’ve been arguing loud and long with “Howcanyoubeproud”, and I will not denigrate anyone that has not served, but there is a grain of truth in that part of his argument.

  141. If they’re thinking about bringing back the draft, they’d better include women in mandatory conscription, too. We’ve had quite a bit of progress in the women’s movement, so it’s time to take the next step towards “equality:” getting drafted!

  142. Socialist Democrats stifling free speech YET AGAIN:

    Senate Democratic leadership threatens Disney with legal and legislative sanctions
    by John in DC – 9/07/2006 06:02:00 PM

    This letter was sent today by the entire Democratic leadership of the US Senate. This letter is such a major shot across the bow of Disney, it’s not even funny. It is FILLED with veiled threats, both legal and legislative, against Disney. US Senators don’t make threats like this, especially the entire Democratic leadership en masse, unless they mean it. Disney is in serious trouble.

    Read it, then read my analysis of it below:

    September 7, 2006

    Mr. Robert A. Iger
    President and CEO
    The Walt Disney Company
    500 South Buena Vista Street
    Burbank CA 91521

    Dear Mr. Iger,

    We write with serious concerns about the planned upcoming broadcast of The Path to 9/11 mini-series on September 10 and 11. Countless reports from experts on 9/11 who have viewed the program indicate numerous and serious inaccuracies that will undoubtedly serve to misinform the American people about the tragic events surrounding the terrible attacks of that day. Furthermore, the manner in which this program has been developed, funded, and advertised suggests a partisan bent unbecoming of a major company like Disney and a major and well respected news organization like ABC. We therefore urge you to cancel this broadcast to cease Disney’s plans to use it as a teaching tool in schools across America through Scholastic. Presenting such deeply flawed and factually inaccurate misinformation to the American public and to children would be a gross miscarriage of your corporate and civic responsibility to the law, to your shareholders, and to the nation.

    The Communications Act of 1934 provides your network with a free broadcast license predicated on the fundamental understanding of your principle obligation to act as a trustee of the public airwaves in serving the public interest. Nowhere is this public interest obligation more apparent than in the duty of broadcasters to serve the civic needs of a democracy by promoting an open and accurate discussion of political ideas and events.

    Disney and ABC claim this program to be based on the 9/11 Commission Report and are using that assertion as part of the promotional campaign for it. The 9/11 Commission is the most respected American authority on the 9/11 attacks, and association with it carries a special responsibility. Indeed, the very events themselves on 9/11, so tragic as they were, demand extreme care by any who attempt to use those events as part of an entertainment or educational program. To quote Steve McPhereson, president of ABC Entertainment, “When you take on the responsibility of telling the story behind such an important event, it is absolutely critical that you get it right.”

    Unfortunately, it appears Disney and ABC got it totally wrong.

    Despite claims by your network’s representatives that The Path to 9/11 is based on the report of the 9/11 Commission, 9/11 Commissioners themselves, as well as other experts on the issues, disagree.

    Richard Ben-Veniste, speaking for himself and fellow 9/11 Commissioners who recently viewed the program, said, “As we were watching, we were trying to think how they could have misinterpreted the 9/11 Commission’s findings the way that they had.” [“9/11 Miniseries Is Criticized as Inaccurate and Biased,” New York Times, September 6, 2006]

    Richard Clarke, the former counter-terrorism czar, and a national security advisor to ABC has described the program as “deeply flawed” and said of the program’s depiction of a Clinton official hanging up on an intelligence agent, “It’s 180 degrees from what happened.” [“9/11 Miniseries Is Criticized as Inaccurate and Biased,” New York Times, September 6, 2006]

    Reports suggest that an FBI agent who worked on 9/11 and served as a consultant to ABC on this program quit halfway through because, “he thought they were making things up.” [MSNBC, September 7, 2006]

    Even Thomas Kean, who serves as a paid consultant to the miniseries, has admitted that scenes in the film are fictionalized. [“9/11 Miniseries Is Criticized as Inaccurate and Biased,” New York Times, September 6, 2006]

    That Disney would seek to broadcast an admittedly and proven false recounting of the events of 9/11 raises serious questions about the motivations of its creators and those who approved the deeply flawed program. Finally, that Disney plans to air commercial-free a program that reportedly cost it $40 million to produce serves to add fuel to these concerns.

    These concerns are made all the more pressing by the political leaning of and the public statements made by the writer/producer of this miniseries, Mr. Cyrus Nowrasteh, in promoting this miniseries across conservative blogs and talk shows.

    Frankly, that ABC and Disney would consider airing a program that could be construed as right-wing political propaganda on such a grave and important event involving the security of our nation is a discredit both to the Disney brand and to the legacy of honesty built at ABC by honorable individuals from David Brinkley to Peter Jennings. Furthermore, that Disney would seek to use Scholastic to promote this misguided programming to American children as a substitute for factual information is a disgrace.

    As 9/11 Commission member Jamie Gorelick said, “It is critically important to the safety of our nation that our citizens, and particularly our school children, understand what actually happened and why – so that we can proceed from a common understanding of what went wrong and act with unity to make our country safer.”

    Should Disney allow this programming to proceed as planned, the factual record, millions of viewers, countless schoolchildren, and the reputation of Disney as a corporation worthy of the trust of the American people and the United States Congress will be deeply damaged. We urge you, after full consideration of the facts, to uphold your responsibilities as a respected member of American society and as a beneficiary of the free use of the public airwaves to cancel this factually inaccurate and deeply misguided program. We look forward to hearing back from you soon.

    Sincerely,

    Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid
    Assistant Democratic Leader Dick Durbin
    Senator Debbie Stabenow
    Senator Charles Schumer
    Senator Byron Dorgan

    The Senate Democratic leadership just threatened Disney’s broadcast license. Not the use of the word “trustee” at the beginning of the letter and “trust” at the end. This is nothing less than an implicit threat that if Disney tries to meddle in the US elections on behalf of the Republicans, they will pay a very serious price when the Democrats get back in power, or even before.

    This raises the stakes incredibly for Disney.

  143. I am really having a good laugh over all of this hysteria!

    Remember Michael Moore’s President Bush wasting his time getting angry over that piece of trash and threatening to put Moore in jail or even commenting on it for that matter.

    I thought so.

    Now we see just how thin the veneer of confidence is within the liberal democratic party and the “Clintonistas” by this childish display the country is now witnessing. If you moonbats had a lick of confidence in who you are and what you believe, you would simply brush it off as Pres. Bush did with Fahrenheit 9/11.

    Another point.

    Have you ever noticed with ex-President Clinton how it’s always about him? Talk about a narcissist…..

    But you moonbats keep it up, it’s really hard work constantly trying to spin and lie your way to credibility…

    It just too bad that you girls (Pres. Clinton included) can’t learn how to “man-up” instead.

  144. Since I generally have a soft spot for the mentally challenged members of society, I thought I might help with ideas to stop ABC from broadcasting their docu-drama.

    “President Clinton, I have an idea for you. If you don’t want The Path to 9/11 to run, send Sandy Burglar to the ABC Broadcast Center and have him steal the show (using his pants) before it’s supposed to air.” (Rush Limbaugh)

  145. Quote from Jim Cannon, former president of Safeco Insurance Company, “are the people that got us into this mess the right folks to get us out”

  146. oh no, jaybo called Democrats “girls.” Surely we are all cut to the quick! Oh my, I think I have the vapors!

    Laugh it up, dickbreath; we’ll be the “girls” who run Congress come January.

  147. Courtesy Josh Marshall…

    The tide turns? From the NYT …

    Under growing pressure from Democrats and aides to former President Bill Clinton, ABC is re-evaluating and in some cases re-editing crucial scenes in its new mini-series “The Path to 9/11” to soften its portrait of the Clinton administration’s pursuit of Osama bin Laden, according to people involved in the project.

    Among the changes, ABC is altering one scene in which an actor playing Samuel R. Berger, the former national security adviser, abruptly hangs up on a C.I.A. officer during a critical moment in a military operation, according to Thomas H. Kean, a consultant on the ABC project and co-chairman of the federal Sept. 11 commission.

    Devil will certainly be in the details.

    Or guiding the souls of the producers.

    One or the other.

  148. Hey Moonbats!

    Let’s stroll down memory lane for a minute and take a look at what you were saying in another similiar situation.

    Liberal Film Disproves Liberalism?

    “Under pressure from conservative groups, CBS has exiled its highest-profile sweeps project, The Reagans, to Showtime….If nothing else, this act of creative sabotage should put to rest the idea that the media are liberal.”
    – USA Today TV critic Robert Bianco, November 5.

    CBS Feared Conservative Bullies

    Jerry Bowen: “Some analysts contend the conservative pressure is part of the nation’s ongoing culture war.”
    Martin Kaplan, USC Annenberg School: “There’s a well-organized conservative movement in this country that’s in charge of its version of the truth, and they swing a big bat.”
    Bowen: “James Brolin, who plays Reagan, wasn’t talking, but his manager was.”
    Jeff Wald, James Brolin’s manager: “And we seem to be in a very oppressive era where they can censor something before they even see it.”
    – CBS Evening News, November 4.

    Brian Williams: “Do you believe what has happened here with this mini-series on CBS amounts to extortion?”
    Media critic Michael Wolff: “Certainly capitulation….”
    Williams: “So is it hyperbolic to say, you know, when we give all these speeches about freedom in the United States, you can go ahead and stretch your artistic freedom, make a movie about whatever you wish as long as it doesn’t cross a certain political or societal group?”
    Wolff: “Absolutely. If the group is well-organized and there is no group as well-organized as the right wing in America at this point in time, you’re going to be in big trouble.”
    – CNBC’s The News with Brian Williams, November 4.

    Creating a “Soviet-Style Chill”

    “His [Ronald Reagan’s] supporters credit him with forcing down the Iron Curtain, so it is odd that some of them have helped create the Soviet-style chill embedded in the idea that we, as a nation, will not allow critical portrayals of one of our own recent leaders.”
    – Editorial in the November 5 New York Times.

    Reagan Deserved Hitler Treatment

    “If Hitler had more friends, CBS wouldn’t have aired [its Hitler mini-series] either.”
    – Philadelphia Daily News TV critic Ellen Gray, as quoted by the Washington Post’s Lisa de Moraes in a November 4 column.

    Would He Appreciate the Lies?

    “Michael, your dad comes, came from the Hollywood community, and he knows what the issues of artistic freedom are. How do you think he’d react?”
    – ABC’s Charles Gibson to Michael Reagan on Good Morning America, November 4.

    Victory for the “Unholy Trinity”

    “Hallelujah! The Gipper is safe and the hated liberal media humbled. It’s a big victory for the ‘Elephant Echo Chamber,’ the unholy trinity of conservative talk radio, conservative Internet sites and the Republican National Committee….It’s good to know that network docu-dramas are, forthwith, supposed to be ‘true,’ unless, of course, the truth is somehow ‘offensive’ to the myth, then we’ll take the myth, as long as the myth corresponds to the reigning politics of the moment. One thing’s for sure: When they make The Bush Dynasty docu-drama, that ‘Mission Accomplished’ banner won’t be visible in the scene on the aircraft carrier.”
    – Senior Editor Jonathan Alter in a column posted on Newsweek’s section of MSNBC’s Web site, November 4.

    If They Survive the Fire, Tax ‘Em

    “With his state ablaze, California’s Governor-elect was in Washington today asking for federal relief and the question was asked: Could this be the major disaster Arnold Schwarzenegger, the candidate, said was the only way he’d raise taxes?”
    – CBS’s Sandra Hughes in an October 29 Evening News story about the huge wildfires in California.

    Upset by Lack of Price Controls

    “Canadians are spared higher drug prices, in large part, because of price controls….Every industrialized country has price controls on patented medications except the United States.”
    – ABC’s John McKenzie on World News Tonight, Oct. 22.

    GDP Surge “Falls Flat” for ABC

    “In places like Georgetown, South Carolina, where the local steel mill has cut 450 jobs since June, the talk of a 7.2 percent growth rate falls flat….Many economists believe the jobless rate of more than six percent is unlikely to decline for months….While manufacturing continues to slump, the transportation and service sectors are hiring again, but new jobs seldom pay as much as old ones.”
    – ABC’s Dean Reynolds World News Tonight, Oct. 30.

    Abusing Rights, Not Saving Life

    “Abortion rights take a historic hit from Congress. What do women face?…Good evening. It is one of the biggest developments in the battle over abortion rights since the Supreme Court’s landmark ruling supporting a woman’s right to choose 30 years ago. Congress tonight gave final approval to legislation making it a crime for doctors to perform certain types of late-term abortions, legislation President Bush says he will sign into law.”
    – Dan Rather on the CBS Evening News reporting passage of a bill banning partial-birth abortions, October 21.

    Bob Loves Tom’s Talking Points

    “If this is progress, I don’t know how much more progress we can take.”
    – Democratic Senator Tom Daschle on October 28 after President Bush cited U.S. progress in Iraq as a reason why insurgents were increasing their attacks.

    “The President said this week that we are winning and that this violence just shows that the other side is getting desperate. But if this is winning, you have to ask the question: How much of this ‘winning’ can we stand?”
    – CBS’s Bob Schieffer to Senator Richard Lugar (R-IN) on Face the Nation, November 2.

    Same Cliches? Must Be Vietnam

    Author David Maraniss: “Eerily, in October of 1967, you had a President who was claiming publicly that he was going to prevail and that the press was getting it wrong, which has a lot of similarities with what’s going on today.”
    Keith Olbermann: “….I was just old enough to understand the news in 1967, and I was struck, even then when I was a kid, by how unnaturally the wording of the statements coming out of the administration about the war seemed to me, even as an eight-year-old, that they were sort of set pieces rather than answers to questions. Again, your research virtually took you back in time. Are we hearing those same set pieces and cliches about Iraq that we did about Vietnam?”
    – MSNBC’s Countdown with Keith Olbermann, Nov. 3.

    GOP: Most Extreme Party Ever

    “Our political culture has not been infected by some virus from outer space, or from TV. The carrier was Newt Gingrich….Today’s Republican Party is arguably the most extreme – the furthest from the center – of any governing majority in the nation’s history.”
    – Contributing writer James Traub in the New York Times Magazine, October 26.

    Newsweek’s Tardy Admission

    “I think it was a colossal mistake….It was an error in judgment. The story inside, which I helped report and write, was, I think, a good one, but the cover line was over the top and the picture was mean. The picture was George Bush looking like an idiot, standing there in a yellow slicker aboard his powerboat….It was juvenile, you know, and I think we all recognize that and occasionally we make mistakes, and that was one.”
    – Newsweek’s Howard Fineman on MSNBC’s Imus in the Morning on October 29, referring to an October 19, 1987 cover which featured then-Vice President George Bush with the headline “Fighting the Wimp Factor.”

    We’re Liberal Because We’re Nice

    “I think they [most reporters] are on the humane side, and that would appear to many to be on the liberal side. A lot of newspaper people – and to a lesser degree today, the TV people – come up through the ranks, through the police-reporting side, and they see the problems of their fellow man, beginning with their low salaries – which newspaper people used to have anyway – and right on through their domestic quarrels, their living conditions. The meaner side of life is made visible to most young reporters. I think it affects their sentimental feeling toward their fellow man and that is interpreted by some less-sensitive people as being liberal.”
    – Former CBS Evening News anchor Walter Cronkite to Time magazine’s Richard Zoglin in an interview published in the magazine’s November 3 edition.

    Affleck’s Foolish Fury

    “The right-wing media, from Fox News to Bill O’Reilly to Rush Limbaugh – who is, now, I suspect, learning to appreciate the virtues of forgiveness and understanding and who, I am quite sure, is hoping the next judge he sees is a liberal – have kept up the sustained and strident and one-sided cry in defense of policies which are damaging and dangerous.”
    – Actor Ben Affleck in an October 14 speech to the liberal group People for the American Way, in an excerpt shown on MSNBC’s Scarborough Country, Oct. 17.

    Such Thoughtful Analysis

    Craig Kilborn: “Use the words ‘compassionate’ and ‘conservative’ in the same sentence while being neither ironic nor scornful.”
    Actor/activist Tim Robbins: “That’s a tough one. Neither ironic nor scornful?”
    Kilborn: “Yeah.”
    Robbins: “Alright. F*** compassionate conservatives.”
    – CBS’s Late Late Show, October 30. CBS bleeped the F-word.

  150. There was another time when the democratic leadership came out in opposition to a television company’s decision to pull a program.

    How do you spell hypocrite?

    D-E-M-O-C-R-A-T-E.

    CBS Slammed For Prez Veto
    By Bill McConnell — Broadcasting & Cable, 11/10/2003
    Susan Lyne knew it was a bad idea. That’s why the ABC Entertainment president passed on what morphed into The Reagans, CBS’s now infamous—and now scrubbed—miniseries. “Either you were going to get something very soft, and you weren’t going to get an audience for it,” she said. “Or you did something where you played up whatever elements you could and ended up having a bad reaction.”
    Lyne was surprised that CBS would produce a program critical of a popular former president afflicted with Alzheimer’s disease. “A lot of people look at him as a god,” she said during a meeting with investors last Thursday in Los Angeles. “To take him on at this moment seems a little silly.”

    For CBS, its decision to green-light the two-parter on the Reagan presidency this month was far more than “a little silly.” It was a serious miscalculation that is now costing the network money and prestige. The controversy culminated just days after CBS celebrated its 75th anniversary with a televised pat on the back that touted its history of leadership.
    Amid a maelstrom of criticism from Republicans, conservative commentators and Ronald Reagan’s family, CBS last week canceled the Nov. 16 and 18 broadcasts and sold the show to Showtime, a pay-TV network that is, like CBS, owned by Viacom.
    CBS President Leslie Moonves, who accepted responsibility for the cancellation, said it was based solely on the merits—actually, the lack of merit—of the miniseries, in which, conservatives complained, Reagan was wrongly portrayed as a doddering gay-basher whose wife, Nancy, pulled all the strings.

    Democrats ‘concerned’
    Some Democrats on the Hill did weigh in, however. Rep. John Dingell who knocked heads with the Reagan White House in the 1980s, couldn’t resist tweaking outraged Republicans and sent Moonves a letter expressing his own “concern” prior to the cancellation announcement. The final cut, Dingell, said should include “$640 Pentagon toilet seats, ketchup as a vegetable, trading arms for hostages” and other scandals that plagued the Reagan administration.
    Senate Minority leader Tom Daschle later called the decision to pull the show “appalling.” CBS “totally collapsed,” he told National Public Radio.
    Programming executives say canceling a program after it has been produced is unusual. TV historian Tim Brooks, Lifetime Television’s head of research, says canceling any program so close to launch is highly unusual. Had CBS stuck with The Reagans, he noted, the controversy “would have produced a large audience.”
    One industry source estimated that Viacom could take a loss from the switch to Showtime.
    CBS paid an estimated $10 million for the show and turned it over to subscription-only Showtime for $7 million, meaning Viacom will take a $3 million hit that can’t be recouped by ad sales aired by the replacements in the time slots.
    Additional reporting by Paige Albiniak, Allison Romano and John M. Higgins

    http://www.broadcastingcable.com/CA334711.html

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