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GOP Debate open thread

by Darryl — Tuesday, 11/10/15, 5:51 pm

      Okay…it is not clear whether we can watch the debate here at Drinking Liberally, but I’ll be streaming and listening on a laptop.

Feel free to go at it in the comment thread.

5:58: Okay…audio and video are up and running here at the Roanoke.

When did we start with the national anthem before debates?

— Taegan Goddard (@politicalwire) November 11, 2015

6:00: National anthem before a debate suggest this is some kind of fucking sporting event! Let there be BLOOOOOOOODDDDDDD!!!

6:03: Holy fuck…get on with it already.

6:04: Why is Paul in there? Most pollsters don’t even bother doing Clinton-Paul match-ups anymore.

Ha ha it’s a hoax debate everyone! Here’s $10!

— David Waldman (@KagroX) November 11, 2015

6:08: Carson blatantly lies about the effect of raising minimum wage.

Carson is about 50 times more animated in this debate than in the last one. And, no, he is still not that animated.

— Chris Cillizza (@TheFix) November 11, 2015

6:10: Shorter Rubio: America is great because we have poor people for the rich to exploit.

Raising the minimum wage works. #GOPDebate pic.twitter.com/b1KkxLNUqk

— The Democrats (@TheDemocrats) November 11, 2015

Rubio – “We need more welders, not philosophers.” Umm… Didn’t your party ship all the welding jobs overseas? #GOPDebate

— Left Out Loud (@LeftOutLoud) November 11, 2015

6:14: Kasich on balancing the budget. I recall that Clinton did that, and that Shrub shot that to hell. Lesson: If you are fiscally responsible don’t elect a Bush or a Republican.

Kasich has choppy hands.

— Ana Marie Cox (@anamariecox) November 11, 2015

#GOPDebate: Reducing #deficit emerged as top Republican priority shortly after Obama took office pic.twitter.com/p659yrpsPB

— Alec Tyson (@alec_h_tyson) November 11, 2015

6:18: FAUX debate moderator doesn’t appear to understand “participation rate”.

6:20: Jeb Bush’s new platform: Repeal Everything Obama.

6:21: Fiorina uncomfortably wedges a anecdote in to a profound non-answer.

Unemployment is 5%. That's what Romney said he'd get to as a goal. The recovery is because WAGES ARE TOO LOW.

— Dante Atkins (@DanteAtkins) November 11, 2015

That first question on a $15 minimum wage was so riddled with lies it screwed up my streaming feed.

— Civic Skunk Works (@civicskunkworks) November 11, 2015

Carly Fiorina Shares Heartbreaking Story About Father Of 3 Who Couldn’t Meet Sales Goals https://t.co/a5VgUxX4Kc pic.twitter.com/L0gCCf53y9

— The Onion (@TheOnion) November 11, 2015

Great thing about living in WA, if any of these clowns actually wins, this is a Death with Dignity state. #GOPDEbate https://t.co/xM0cMc464J

— #allgoldypanel (@GoldyHA) November 11, 2015

Carly Fiorina is one of the more effortless liars I've heard

— Jon Favreau (@jonfavs) November 11, 2015

Paul: "I want a govt really, really small—so small you can barely see it." Oh. Then just use Paul as your ophthalmologist. Done! #GOPDebate

— #allgoldypanel (@GoldyHA) November 11, 2015

Carly’s extensive business background has taught her that money is fungible.

— Ana Marie Cox (@anamariecox) November 11, 2015

All these #GOPDebates on cable biz/news channels make me proud to be an American who doesn't subscribe to cable.

— #allgoldypanel (@GoldyHA) November 11, 2015

Ted Cruz has very bad ideas about monetary policy but, unlike many of these candidates, he has at least thought about it extensively.

— Josh Barro (@jbarro) November 11, 2015

This has been the most painful discussion of monetary policy since William Jennings Bryan's Cross of Gold speech in 1896.

— Nicholas Kristof (@NickKristof) November 11, 2015

Well, that was awful.

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Drinking Liberally — Seattle (4th GOP Debate Edition)

by Darryl — Tuesday, 11/10/15, 6:04 am

DLBottle

Please join us tonight for an evening of fantasy, whimsy, and war-mongering as Fox Business Network hosts the fourth Republican Primary Debate. Shock and awwwwww (and maybe some drinking games) will prevail at the Seattle Chapter of Drinking liberally.

We meet tonight and every Tuesday at the Roanoke Park Place Tavern, 2409 10th Ave E, Seattle. You’ll find us in the small room at the back of the tavern. Our normal starting time is 8:00 pm, but this week we will start with the debate at 6:00 pm (PST).

Note: We should have sound and video for the debate. But the bar and restaurant has other customers, so the sound may not be as loud as you want, especially with the background of a busy tavern and peripheral conversations. If you are intent on hearing every word, I recommend you bring stuff to stream the audio.




Can’t make it to Seattle tonight? Check out one of the other DL meetings happening this week. Tonight the Tri-Cities, Redmond, and Bellingham chapters also meet. The Bremerton, Spokane, and Kent chapters meet on Thursday. And next Monday, the Aberdeen and Yakima chapters meet.

There are 184 chapters of Living Liberally, including eighteen in Washington state, three in Oregon and one in Idaho. Find—or start—a chapter near you.

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Lisa Herbold Likely to Win Seattle City Council District 1, While District 2 Is Still Too Close to Call

by Goldy — Monday, 11/9/15, 7:56 am

Bruce Harrell

Betcha Bruce isn’t smiling right about now.

 

So, on Election Day I predicted that “several races will be left officially undecided after tonight’s ballot drop,” a prediction I apologized for the very next day, writing: “Some will likely tighten up, but I will be awfully surprised if any of last night’s top-line winners end up losing.”

Well, I apologize for my apology.

Over the past few ballot drops the races in both Districts 1 and 2 have tightened to the point where they really are too close to call. No, wait. I take that back. For although Lisa Herbold still trails Shannon Braddock by a 104-vote, 0.56% margin, I’m calling this one for Herbold. And to understand my confidence, you need understand the way our all vote-by-mail ballot counting works.

It is both an over-simplification and a generalization, but ballots tend to be tallied in the order in which they arrive. Election night results include most of those ballots that arrived through Monday; these are the “early” ballots. Most of the subsequent tallies are of “late” ballots from voters who didn’t cast their ballots until Monday or Tuesday. And as we saw two years ago with Kshama Sawant’s stunning 8-point comeback from election night to the final tally, early voters and late voters can sometimes constitute dramatically different electorates.

On election night, Braddock led Herbold 52.92% to 46.48%, but since then the margin has flipped, with Herbold winning a progressively larger share of each day’s totals. Combined, Herbold has won 52.88% of all late ballots, and 57.25% of the Friday evening drop. Assuming about 3,350 votes left to count (and that’s a complicated and iffy assumption), Herbold needs only 51.55% of the remaining votes to win. Based on my experience tracking previous elections, there’s simply no good reason to expect Herbold to fall below that threshold. I would now be surprised if Herbold didn’t win this election.

Meanwhile, in D2, where incumbent Bruce Harrell held a seemingly invincible 10-point election night lead, we have seen an even bigger late ballot swing, with unheralded challenger Tammy Morales winning an impressive 53.44% of the late vote. But unfortunately for her, Morales may have had too large a deficit to overcome: my spreadsheet suggests Morales will need 57.3% of the remaining votes to take the lead, somewhat above the 55.15% she won in the most recent ballot drop. It’s not impossible. But at this point I’d have to put my money on Harrell squeaking out an embarrassingly narrow victory. But to be clear, had Morales benefited from a Sawant-like GOTV effort, Harrell would be out of a job come January.

In any case, it sure does look like all those post-election post-mortems were way premature. The final tally will tell a much different story than the spin we heard on election night.

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Open Thread!!!!!!!

by Carl Ballard — Monday, 11/9/15, 6:26 am

I saw Mother Courage & Her Children at Seattle Shakespeare. It was pretty good, but there were no title cards.

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HA Bible Study: Galatians 5:12

by Goldy — Sunday, 11/8/15, 6:00 am

Galatians 5:12
I wish that everyone who is upsetting you would not only get circumcised, but would cut off much more!

Discuss.

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Not just debate moderators, G.O.P. candidates cannot handle kids with strong language

by Darryl — Saturday, 11/7/15, 2:14 pm

Last week, Obama made a laughingstock of the Republican Candidates. He pointed out their words about how they would be so “tough” dealing with Putin, and then chided them for their insufferable whining over uncivil debate moderators.

Now they are whining about children expressing anger over Trump’s ugly racism in this ad:

The Donald doesn’t like it one bit.:

“I think it’s terrible, I think it’s just terrible,” the Republican presidential candidate said on Fox Business Network’s “Mornings with Maria Bartiromo.”

Young kids speaking that way “is a disgrace,” he added….

…a disgrace to The Donald because, typically, when little brown kids talk to him that way, he fires their parents.

Marco Rubio is also outraged,

“People are looking at it and say, these people are grotesque. I mean these are little children. What kind of parent allows their children to go on a video like that and use that kind of profanity and what kind of parents allow a kid to do that?”

Rubio, born to two non-U.S. Citizen immigrant parents, might qualify as a non-citizen “Anchor Baby” in Donald Trump’s world.

So…apparently, children using four letter words is more threatening than an opponent who would strip him of his citizenship.

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Friday Night Multimedia Extravaganza!

by Darryl — Friday, 11/6/15, 11:48 pm

Congressional Hits and Misses: The essential John Boehner.

Stephen: Farewell whoever you were.

VSauce: Juvenoia.

Thom: Here’s what Democratic Socialism is:

Ending gun violence.

How to FOIA the NSA for data about you.

White House: West Wing Week.

Ryan Eyes:

  • Members weigh in on Ryan’s first week.
  • Pap: Teabaggers go after Paul Ryan.
  • WaPo: Who is Paul Ryan
  • Maddow: Why Ryan won’t pass 9/11 first responders’ bill.
  • Young Turks: Paul Ryan’s sellout to the banks.
  • Farron Cousins: Paul Ryan’s first act is to screw over the poor.

Maddow: The Teabagger scandal that won’t die.

David Pakman: Teabaggers are at a record low.

Trevor Noah: My first American Health Care experience.

Mental Floss: Why does daylight saving time vary by country.

Thom: Un-Koch my campus.

Redskins vs. Reformed Whores: Let’s get it on!

Was MSNBC too easy on the Koch brothers?

Ann Telnes: More proof that SCOTUS is behind the times.

Chris Cillizza: Why Joe not running matters.

Congressional Hits and Misses of the week.

The 2016 Festival of Clowns:

  • Obama smacks G.O.P. whimps for whining about CNBC moderators
  • Young Turks: Obama mocks the wingnut whiners.
  • Sam Seder: Obama mocks whiney GOP candidates.
  • Seth Meyers: A closer look at Republican debate demands
  • Mark Fiore: The Real Republican Debate.
  • Trevor Noah: Republicans call for babyproofed debates
  • Sam Seder: Even FAUX News is laughing at the G.O.P. candidates.
  • Seth Meyers with Donny Deutsch: Trump vs. Hillary is the reality show we want to see.
  • Latino groups say Donald Trump’s racism has no place in the White House.
  • Maddow: Anti-Trump protests reach Saturday Night Live
  • Mexican Donald Trump hosts Mexican Saturday Night Live
  • Songify: The Donald sings and dances:

  • Donald responds with the Trump rap ad
  • Sam Seder: Trump dismisses Jeb! and talks of riding off into the sunset
  • Stephen: Trump and Jeb! books out.
  • Young Turks: New low for Bush as Jindal passes him in Iowa.
  • PsychoSuperMom: Jeb Can Fix It!
  • Ann Telnaes: Jeb Bush and the divine right of political families.
  • Young Turks: Jeb!’s friends are leaving him.
  • Young Turks: Christie and Huckabee get demoted to the kids table.
  • Matthew Filipowicz: Ted Cruz says climate change is not science. It’s religion.
  • Young Turks: Ted Cruz just cannot still whining about the CNBC debate.
  • “Holy Lunatic Asylum, Batman”: Ben Carson’s unbelievably NUTZ-O theory about the pyramids.
  • Sam Seder: Genius Ben Carson solves the pyramid mystery.
  • Ben Carson thinks the pyramids were built to store grain
  • Hey GOP candidates, no more hating.
  • Richard Fowler: Carson compares rape victims who want abortions to slave owners.
  • David Pakman: Carson and pyramid schemes
  • Farron Cousins: Dr. Malpractice says pyramids were for grain storage
  • Young Turks: Ben Carson’s pyramid scheme.
  • Sam Seder: Ben Carson tells some classic archaeologist jokes
  • Matthew Filipowicz: Rand Paul compares tuition free college to heroin.
  • Trevor Noah: Iowa Republicans are afraid of The Daily Show

Anonymous KKK Hack.

Sam Seder: FAUX News infotainters have difficulty understanding jobs numbers.

Thom: Will ObamaCare survive in Kentucky?

Obama on Keystone XL.

Nancy Pelosi: “The Republican Committee to Attack Women’s Health”.

Seven mistakes in Bill-O-The-Clown’s book about Ronald Reagan.

Simone Sebastian: If you oppose Black Lives Matter, you would’ve abhorred Martin Luther King.

Mental Floss: Misconceptions about famous composers.

David Hawkings’ Whiteboard: Wealth of Congress:

Red State Update: RIP Fred Thompson.

Last week’s Friday Night Multimedia Extravaganza can be found here.

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Opent Thread

by Carl Ballard — Friday, 11/6/15, 6:58 am

It’ll be tougher than usual to figure out if the typos in the title and accidents.

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Fuck You Up the Fucking Fuckhole, You Fucked-Up Fucking Fucktards

by Goldy — Thursday, 11/5/15, 1:02 pm

Because, this:

Seattle Times, fucking idiots

THE most expensive race in state history for a seat in the state House might be tilting a politically divided Legislature even more toward the middle.

In the race to represent Federal Way’s 30th Legislative District, Republican Teri Hickel held an eight-point lead over Democratic Rep. Carol Gregory in Tuesday voting returns. If that lead holds in future vote counts, a win by Hickel would skinny the once-mighty Democratic majority in the House down to a 50-48 margin.

The consequences of this shift should be welcome to Washington voters seeking moderation in Olympia.

Right. Because it’s the Democrats who are immoderate and obstructionist, rather than the Republicans who have pledged not to ever raise taxes ever, for any reason, under any circumstance, no matter what. You know, the Republicans who also oppose marriage equality, reproductive rights, gun responsibility, reducing carbon emissions, teaching evolution, and just about everything else the editors claim to endorse. A Republican Party that is so bereft of ideas or intellect (or, let’s be honest, morality) that it has elevated trickle-down-regurgitating student-harassing child-bride-marrying Matt Manweller to the status of rising fucking star.

That is the party to which the wise editorial board members of our state’s paper of record look to bring “moderation” to Olympia.

Sigh. I try not to wish for the day the Seattle Times shuts down its presses. But honestly—fuck you.

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Surprise: Seattle’s Big Winners on Election Day Were Incumbents and Money!

by Goldy — Wednesday, 11/4/15, 1:11 pm

Okay, first off, let me just say upfront that I was wrong. Yesterday I predicted that a bunch of local races would likely be “too close to call,” when in fact, really, none of them are. Some will likely tighten up, but I will be awfully surprised if any of last night’s top-line winners end up losing.

The tightest race right now is in District 3, where Kshama Sawant leads challenger Pamela Banks by 5.4 points, but the late ballots will surely trend in Sawant’s favor. I guess District 1’s race between Shannon Braddock and Lisa Herbold (52.9% to 46.5%) is technically in the too-close-to-call range, but it’s hard to imagine a sufficient late ballot swing.

So then, what did we learn from last night’s election? Absolutely nothing. Every incumbent won reelection, and in all but one race (District 5, where fundraising was almost even), every winner outspent the loser. As usual. Also, we easily passed another property tax levy. Imagine that.

So much for the disruptive impact of district elections.

Speaking of which, for all the excitement allegedly generated by putting nine council seats up for election at once (four of them open!), voter turnout is likely to hit a historic low. Citywide, Seattle is only on track for about 39 percent turnout, compared to over 52 percent just two years ago.

So yeah, nothing to see here. Incumbents win, money rules, and turnout sucks.

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Open Thread 11/4/2015

by Carl Ballard — Wednesday, 11/4/15, 8:02 am

– Hunger Strike at Texas Detention Center Swells Into the Hundreds

– Why I don’t encourage my patients to report sexual assault

– Well, the rest of the country had not so liberal an election night.

– Good old self-reliance

I mentioned on Monday, I’m going to be taking a bit of a break from writing. Probably just a couple weeks. I’ll still put up open threads, but they’ll be shorter than even this nonsense. See you in a few.

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Election Results Thread

by Carl Ballard — Tuesday, 11/3/15, 9:32 pm

Here are your King County results (.pdf) and here’s Washington.

As far as Seattle City Council, I know Goldy has been talking about low turnout for a while, but I can’t get my brain around there being around 10 thousand votes in district elections after the first drop. Those numbers will obviously go up, but I just don’t have a sense of what it means. Are the candidates who are pretty far behind in percentage but not in absolute numbers sunk? I don’t know. But for now, if it holds, the council will be majority women, and I think a bit more liberal in January than it is now. And we’re going to have a better financing system going forward. Gonzalez’ campaign wins both the most fun party of the ones I stopped by and the coveted first person to email me after their victory. I didn’t give her money, or indicate support in any way, but kudos?

Statewide, the Eyman initiative looks like it’s winning, although it’s both tight and probably unconstitutional. The State House will still be Democratic, but less so. I’m going back out, but use this to discuss stuff a couple hours late.

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Last Chance

by Carl Ballard — Tuesday, 11/3/15, 5:21 pm

I’m sure all of you have your ballots in by now. But for serious, get your stuff postmarked by today or in the dropbox by 8:00.

Also, once you’re done, Seattlish has the campaign parties. I’m not sure if I’m going to Drinking Liberally or just going to enjoy their idea of Belltown pub crawl.

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What to Expect When You’re Electing, November 2015 Edition

by Goldy — Tuesday, 11/3/15, 4:37 pm

Thanks to the shift to district elections, all nine Seattle City Council seats are up for election this year, including an astounding four open seats! So you’d think voter turnout would be sky high, right? Well, not so much.

Turnout is low. Abysmally low. The most recent ballot return statistics suggests that countywide turnout could fall under 40 percent, the lowest general election turnout as far back as I’ve bothered to look.

That’s just awful. And Seattle proper isn’t faring much, tracking toward below 45 percent turnout compared to 52 percent in 2013. So much for district elections generating renewed interest in city council races.

So what does that mean for tonight’s results? I’m not exactly sure. It could mean that voters are just voting really late, and we’ll see a surge of ballots pour in today and tomorrow. Or, since the most reliable voters tend to also be the most conservative, it could be bad news for lefty candidates across the board. (Well, every lefty but Kshama Sawant: D3 is a turnout outlier tracking toward 50 percent thanks to her impressive GOTV efforts.)

One thing I do know is that with “too close to call” stretching toward the 8-point range after Sawant’s 2013 late-ballot comeback, several races will be left officially undecided after tonight’s ballot drop—probably D1, D4, and both Honest Elections and Let’s Move Seattle. Maybe even D8 and D2.

So stay tuned for a week or so of wonky election results analysis.

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Drinking Liberally — Seattle

by Darryl — Tuesday, 11/3/15, 6:22 am

DLBottleHey…today is ELECTION DAY! If you haven’t done so already, fill out that ballot, drop it off at a nearby drop box, and then high-tail it to the Seattle Chapter of Drinking liberally for the 8:00pm ballot-drop watching party. And it isn’t just Washington with some important elections. Michigan, Kentucky, New Jersey and Virginia have some big races, and there are a bunch of congressional special elections happening.

We meet tonight and every Tuesday at the Roanoke Park Place Tavern, 2409 10th Ave E, Seattle. You’ll find us in the small room at the back of the tavern. We start at 8:00 pm.




Can’t make it to Seattle tonight? Check out one of the other DL meetings happening this week. The Long Beach, Tri-Cities and West Seattle chapters also meet tonight. The Lakewood chapter meets on Wednesday. On Thursday, the Tacoma chapter meets.

There are 183 chapters of Living Liberally, including eighteen in Washington state, three in Oregon and one in Idaho. Find—or start—a chapter near you.

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