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Open Thread December 18

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Seattle Police are taking public comments on use of force and crowd control policies. They have decided to make it difficult, so there are several links to PDF’s at the bottom. You can comment at the bottom of those. Nonetheless, it’s worth commenting on.

For me the issue starts with a massive provocation every time the police show up. Namely that they are armed at all. The average beat cop having a gun, bringing long guns to protests, it really makes the police antagonistic.

Then when they deploy tear gas or rubber bullets, they get labeled as “less lethal” as if they are the gentle alternative to firing indiscriminately into a crowd, rather than a last resort. But it shouldn’t be an option!

In much of the world, most police don’t carry guns. There are still problems with policing, but there’s one less.

Anyway, wash your hands right now.

Comments

  5. 5

    It’s about time Biden got around to calling out Lindsey Graham. It’s been a long time coming; I suppose out of consideration for old personal ties. But you can ignore a shit pile only so long before the smell drives you out of the building.

    “President-elect Joe Biden on Thursday expressed dismay that Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) was so slow to accept his victory in the Nov. 3 election.

    “‘Lindsey [Graham]’s been a personal disappointment because I was a personal friend of his,’ Biden told Stephen Colbert ….

    “Graham threw his support behind President Donald Trump’s unsubstantiated theories about voter fraud, arguing that ‘a lot of shenanigans’ had occurred during the election and that the president needed to ‘take all of this to court.'”

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/joe-biden-lindsey-graham-election-2020_n_5fdcdb85c5b650b99adc2e33

    And now, over 50 dismissed lawsuits later, Graham not only looks like a disloyal friend but a shitty lawyer too.

  10. 10

    Roger Dumbfuck Rabbit is sensitive @ 5 to anyone who tries to hone in on his gig as a liberal shitty lawyer.

    And now, over 50 dismissed lawsuits later, Graham not only looks like a disloyal friend but a shitty lawyer too.

    Fear not, Roger Dumbfuck Rabbit. It will be decades before you lose your “Dumbfuck” crown.

  11. 11

    Missing from Steve’s @ 7 “bombshell report” is any evidence that campaign cash was diverted to Trump family members.

    Read it again, Steve. This is the closest you can come:

    “Lara Trump and John Pence resigned from the AMMC board in October 2019 to focus solely on their campaign activities, however, there was never any ethical or legal reason why they could not serve on the board in the first place,” said Tim Murtaugh, the campaign’s communications director. “John and Lara were not compensated by AMMC for their service as board members.”

    Steve has become increasingly pathetic. Recall the poll that Steve shared a couple of months ago, which showed that Harrison was beating Graham in SC – as long as the poll was skewed to include an additional several percent of black voters as poll respondents. WTF, Steve.

    Four years of including the word “Putin” in nearly everything he posted has left Steve nonsensical the few times he posts without mentioning Putin.

    I’m sorry for what has happened to you, Steve. You used to be worthy of something other than pity. No more.

  12. 12

    Roger Dumbfuck Rabbit has taken the term “shitty lawyer” places no one would previously have thought possible.

    Moreover, he has taken handbill.us straight into the toilet.

  13. 13

    When her Democrat colleagues had the opportunity to vote on AOC’s candidacy for an open seat on the House Energy and Commerce Committee, they voted against her, 46-13.

    They voted instead for Kathleen Rice, who did not support Pelosi for Speaker the last time around.

    Hard to make the Green New Deal a reality when your fellow party members find you repulsive, AOC.

  16. 16

    Jared Kushner helped create a Trump campaign shell company that secretly paid the president’s family members and spent $617 million in reelection cash, a source tells Insider

    I wonder if the trumpers feel their contributions well spent?

  18. 18

    15. You got an odd idea what happiness is. Mine is hanging out with my family and friends.

  19. 19

    @ 16

    … a source tells Insider.

    For two years, The Even Bigger Fucking Moron, Adam Schiff told you he had personally seen evidence of Trump’s collusion with Russia.

    The world relies on gullible morons to create winners and losers. Thanks to you, The Even Bigger Fucking Moron, it always will.

  20. 20

    14 it’s not possible to drink when you’re wearing a mask and trying to protect the people you’re around

  21. 21

    Just because you keep repeating the lie that there was no Russian collusion doesn’t make it true

  23. 23

    Winners and losers. Democracy beat the fascists, white supremacists and the theocrats.

  24. 24

    @ 21

    Just because you keep repeating the lie that there was no Russian collusion doesn’t make it true

    Yeah, that’s just what Maddow said. Oh, wait. When the Mueller report came out Maddow cried on national TV. My bad.

    The Even Bigger Fucking Moron, just keep being you. It’s what keeps YLB from being recognized, again, as the most stupid commenter on HA.

  27. 27

    Goldy✔
    @GoldyHA
    Replying to @GoldyHA
    As for me, I’m within a few paces of Nick, because it turns out congenitally dishonest, foul-mouthed propagandists are pretty inessential too.

    52m

    You left out a couple of words, Goldy.

  28. 28

    Pfizer says Trump admin stalling millions of vaccine doses after rejecting offer for millions more. “We have not received any shipment instructions for additional doses,” the company said

    Don’t you wished Republicans were outraged as much about people dying as they care about CNN dick?

  29. 29

    @ 28

    The Even Bigger Fucking Moron, you realize that the first vaccine dose is useless without the booster dose, don’t you?

    One way of ensuring the booster dose will be available to those vaccinated already, when the time comes, is to not overcommit on an initial dose to others.

    Two anonymous Trump administration officials told the Associated Press the doses were in storage on purpose, held back to ensure that people who had their first shot of the two-dose vaccine could get the second one.

    Pfizer is saying it has unshipped product because it hasn’t been told where to ship it. The government is saying that doses need to be reserved for the booster series. It’s likely that both sources are correct – they’re just coming from different perspectives.

    There’s also the Moderna vaccine nearing full approval. If it turns out to be preferable, Pfizer might have unshipped vaccine doses for very good reason – there’s a better one about to hit the market.

    Not everything is as simple as slipping tab A bareback into slot B, The Even Bigger Fucking Moron.

    A few months ago critics were saying Trump would need a miracle to have a vaccine by year-end. Now they’ve shifted to complaining that the distribution of the first of two (so far) vaccines seems not to be perfect.

  30. 30

    Republican Senator Who Voted for Trump’s $1.5 Trillion Tax Cut for the Rich Blocks $1,200 Stimulus Checks

    “Republicans hurting the right people” – all trumpers you know

  31. 31

    Fuck yeah.

    The Federal Reserve on Friday loosened its ban on share buybacks for the largest banks that were put in place earlier this year to ensure the sector had enough capital to continue to function during the coronavirus pandemic.

    The decision follows another round of Fed stress tests that show all banks met capital requirements under two recessionary scenarios.

    JP Morgan up 4.9% after hours on the news at this writing.
    BAC up 4.7%
    C up 5.6%
    WFC up 3.2%

    Share Buybacks + Dividend Increases + YLB’s kids funding Social Security payments = Doesn’t matter that Trump lost.

  34. 34

    So that’s how they’re trying to spin it.

    The logic doesn’t track. If those were the second shots then the amount being sent would be half not a third less so they’re still fucking up.
    It Takes Two Shots so they’re going to give one shot from one company and one shot from a different vaccine? I call bullshit.

  35. 35

    the first time The Even Bigger Fucking Moron has heard the name Josh Hawley.

    Or just about any other general election voter.

    People from Missouri who gained the presidency by election:
    None. Zip. Zilch.

    Truman inherited and managed to barely win a second term with less than half the pop vote.

    It’s good to see Republicans lowering their sights in the face of having recently suffered so much transformative defeat. The Cat Lady is finally showing signs of improving her math skills. Hawley can’t get more than 49% of the popular vote either. At this point going forward, no Republican can or ever will.

    #youbuiltthat

  36. 36

    Doesn’t matter that Trump lost.

    https://youtu.be/EFk9SRzY6io?t=47
    The Cat Lady meant to lose too!

    Everything is going according to her brilliant, secret plan that “normies” can’t possibly understand.

  37. 37

    21,
    The best part is it no longer matters what people like The Cat Lady, Ron Johnson, or Liddle Marcia say. After shitting their pants with Q anon baby cannibalism and obviously contrived claims of election fraud, their credibility is so shot that even Putin himself won’t meet with them.

  38. 38

    And now, over 50 dismissed lawsuits later, Graham not only looks like a disloyal friend but a shitty lawyer too.

    When someone has a picture of you blowing Bob while Bob is blowing the horse then you can’t be surprised when that person succumbs to blackmail.

  40. 40

    Republican Senator Who Likely Will Challenge Kamala Harris for President in 2024 Offers $1,200 Stimulus Checks

    This is likely the first time The Even Greater HA HERO RedReformed has heard the name Josh Hawley.

    Josh Hawley is a social klownservatic nutcase.. Oh the freak makes populist noises out of one side of its mouth while bleating white evangelical klownservatic klownspiracies of “disenfranchisement” out of the other..

    It’s ambition is to remake the Repuke party, the party of the “working class” – the white evangelical working class. Raised methodist, it now practices evangelical presbyterianism. So it believes it is one of the “elect”.

    An elite education was wasted on this freak.

    Kamala Harris is a tough haul for 2024 but not impossible if there is a strong blue wall. Oh and a donald drumpf healthy and fortified with wendy’s and mickey dees..

  41. 41

    I’d call this weird shit but I live in an America ruled by a raging orange man-baby where weird shit is the new normal.

    Come on – bearded ladies would scare the heck out of anyone.

  42. 42

    Share Buybacks + Dividend Increases + Mary Kay’s even more generous donations to liberal causes = smooth sailing for YLB’s kids..

    ftfy..

    now who draws the straw for the gasoline and who gets the straw for the lit match…

  43. 43

    Asked for comment, Rep. Swalwell pronounced himself very relieved that because of this he’ll be remembered for something other than being the presidential candidate to cut the cheese on national TV.

    Sean Davis
    @seanmdav
    ·
    2h
    A source on Capitol Hill confirmed to
    @FDRLST
    today that Rep. Eric Swalwell had a sexual relationship with communist Chinese spy Fang Fang. The FBI finally briefed congressional leaders today on the details of Fang Fang’s interactions with lawmakers on behalf of communist China.

  45. 45

    Bob has never been right about anything. He’s failed at everything he’s done in life. Failed Pro athlete. Failed Doctor. Failed Son. Failed brother. Failed Husband.

    He couldn’t even get Steve to have that beer with him that he kept saying he’d do. He was convinced that he’d have a beet with the guy. Sad.

    What a useless, good for nothing, peice of shit. There’s only one thing he’s ever accomplished in life, and I think we all know what that is…..the poor horse.

  47. 47

    The Trumpalos are freezing the Biden transition team out of Pentagon briefings and lying about it.

    Don’t expect anything from these assholes, and have the sheriff ready to serve the eviction papres on January 20.

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/18/politics/pentagon-dod-transition-briefings/index.html

    Meanwhile, free-as-a-bird convicted felon Michael Flynn is going around making speeches calling for martial law and a coup. He’s a disgrace to the uniform he once wore, and a fucking traitor who deserves a firing squad, but a concrete box in ADX will do for now.

  48. 48

    40,
    Hard to imagine anyone like Hawley surviving the Rapepublican primary process. Think for just a moment who it is he has to elbow past. Good time to be reminded that, before she went “Full Trumpalo” The Cat Lady was an ardent Kasich supporter, then an ardent Cruz supporter, then an ardent McMullen supporter, before settling on going Full Trump. Even if Hawley finished first in South Carolina, he’d face a disaster on Super Tuesday. And all that assumes the GOP even holds a primary contest, having now established the precedent that Trump is The One and no primary is needed.

    The Cat Lady is anticipating a Toddler Torture/Fuck Your Feelings primary with an expanded field. When all indications are there may be no more than four to six credible campaigns in the running. And half of those will be recycled. Smart Hillbillies like this are telling themselves they will be shopping at Van Cleef & Arpels. But it’s shaping up to be more like GUM during a garbage strike.

    I’m afraid it seems like we can expect this from here on out. Republicans are just going to live inside their heads. And whatever happens out there IRL, they’ll just tell themselves “it’s all part of The Plan”. Should be fun to watch.

  49. 49

    Trump shit himself on television.

    It’s going to be decades before anyone tops that.
    Unless the trolls from Proud Boys can be successful in their efforts to draft Don Jr.

    When it comes to the future prospects for even more GOP degradation, hope springs eternal.

  50. 50

    @40 What would be better is if they ran The Donald in a wheelchair connected to a feeding tube. They’ve already demonstrated their willingness, nay eagerness, to follow this fat blob of protoplasm to Hades for as long as it’s pulsating even if there’s no brainwave.

  51. 51

    @32 “This is likely the first time The Even Bigger Fucking Moron has heard the name Josh Hawley.”

    Given name recognition is 90% of everything in electoral politics (just ask Trump), that doesn’t say much for his prospects, does it?

  52. 52

    @14 With Republicans it’s nothing but show. No substance, progress, or solutions. Putting on an act of pretending to govern, that’s all.

  53. 53

    One by one, miserable FOX news fabricators are this week being compelled to humiliate themselves by going on air and point by point take back a month’s worth of GOP/Trump voting machine lies. Dobbs went first earlier today. Pirro, and Barritromo are to follow over the weekend.

    Demand letters are still being drafted.
    Pudiot should check his mail.
    #HugoGetsAnApology

  54. 54

    “Bidens going to kill all the babies!”

    Looks around at all the old people Trump killed.

    Crickets

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