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MORAGA — San Ramon native Deena Burnett returned to the Bay Area from her home in Arkansas on Wednesday to share with college students her experiences on Sept 11, 2001, and to remind Americans freedom is worth fighting for. Burnett said she fell hard the morning of Sept. 11 when her husband, Tom Burnett, called from aboard Flight 93, telling his wife the plane had been hijacked and he and other passengers were planning to ram the cockpit and fight the terrorists. [……………………………………………………………………………….”Tom, Sit down! The Muslim terrorists told me if we all convert to Islam, and chant “BUSH NO GOOD!”, they will land the plane safely at JFK!” [Carl Grossman]]
So much for the “culture of corruption”. Liar Cantwell has certainly fucked up that strategy. You can bet your moonbat ass that Harry Reid certainly has The Liar on his shitlist. Even if she was to be re-elected, there will certainly be no improved committee assignments awaiting her.
Washington state deserves better. Instead of a useful idiot for the nazidemocrats, we need a real statesman. McGavick is the answer.
Day 19 September 9 2006 Where’s Goldy?
Mayor Nickels’
unprecedented tax increase proposal and
Tim Eyman’s opposition campaign not only screws the taxpayers into paying extra for basic services, but it also really puts Goldy and the rest of you seattle moonbats in a helluva predicament. I’ve been taunting Goldy for some time now with my “Where’s Goldy” series, and he still won’t tell us where he stands. No doubt, he’s between a rock and a hard place trying to figure out what to do. So as a true compassionate conservative, I’ll lay out the options here for ya Goldy:
1) Open up your wallet and pay more and more property tax every year until you are forced out of your home. Even if you can do it, do you want to make seattle a place where only the rich can live? Or do you not give a fuck about anybody else?
2) Join Eyman’s campaign to fight defeat the tax increase, and expose yourself to be the fucking hypocrite that you are. Admit that you are wrong about taxpayer rights, and thank Tim in pubic for giving you the right to vote on major policy issues.
3) Support the tax hike and agree that the tax money has to be raised, but make somebody other than you pay. You could take the tried and true class envy approach and make those “rich people” in Magnolia and Queen Ann pick up the tab. Remember, a “fair tax” in moonbat parlance is a tax that the other guy has to pay.
4) Or just keep quiet and hope I go away. That’s not gonna happen.
Why democrats and nazis are the same thing:
Democrat politicians and the so-called “liberal” media consistently use variations of the big-lie technique—just like the Nazis.
The theory of the big-lie technique (associated with Adolf Hitler and the Nazi minister of propaganda, Dr. Josef Göebels) is, the bigger the lie, and the louder and more often you tell it, the easier it is for the public to believe it. The technique was successful because the basically honest public had little insight into the mind of a liar, and instinctively reasoned that no one would dare tell a lie that big. As Hitler stated,“The broad mass of a nation…will more easily fall victim to a big lie than a small one. The greater the lie, the greater chance that it will be believed.”
One of the modern variations developed by Democrats is the many-lie technique, where so many lies are told that we develop a blasé attitude toward the problem.
Another technique, foretold by George Orwell in his once-futuristic book, 1984, is the use of double-speak (called newspeak in Orwell’s book), where terminology is used to mean the opposite of what it sounds like—witness the misuse of the word, “liberal.”
Leading Democrat, Ted Kennedy, as quoted in the January 28, 2002 issue of U.S.News & World Report, smiled and described yet another technique: “…you take someone’s argument and you misrepresent it and you misstate it and you disagree with it. …It’s very effective. I’ve done it myself a number of times.”
The result of the big lies, the many small lies and double-speak is seen in the big truth effect, where the truth now seems so farfetched that people have trouble accepting it—witness the difficulty many will have with this essay.
Shit, there goes “peak production”. There goes the “we are running out of oil” argument.
http://www.chevron.com/news/pr.....-09-05.asp
BRIDGETON — A Bridgeton man charged with participating in the alleged group rape of a 13-year-old Millville girl last week was denied a reduction in bail Friday.
Meanwhile, the Cumberland County Prosecutor’s Office maintains that it has at least five confessions to the rape, in which the girl claimed she was tied up and blindfolded and a tortilla wrapper was used as a condom.
With his bail reduction denied, Alfonso Ponce, 20, of Laurel Street, remained at Cumberland County Jail in lieu of $200,000 bail Friday along with four others charged in the case: Raul Chasares, 24, and Oscar Estrada Lopez, also of Laurel Street; Edson Leones, 19; and Vicente Rodriguez, 25.
Ponce is an illegal immigrant, according to his lawyer, Carlos Andujar. The immigration status of the other four individuals is under investigation. [Hey, this illegal “Democrat-to-be” was just “doing the crimes that Democrat welfare hacks” are to lazt to do!! These fine young Democrats were just “culturally expressing themselves” in a way that young illegal Democrats do!!]
“a tortilla wrapper was used as a condom.” [A new twist on Democrat “Tookie” love, except we are talking Latin Democrat “love” here!!! As long as these young Democrat rapists vote in November, I think we can look the other way here!! BTW, anyu questions here about crimes would be considered racist and insensitive.]
MTR, you fucking Right Wing Authoritarian Follower. Get a clue.
tell us all how Cantwell lied. How is it corrupt to loan someone money before she was a Senator and before he was a lobbiest.
Just keep grasping at straws. Come November, your kind can go take a flying leap
The “appearance of impropriety”. Shit, who knows how rotten she is. Clearly, there is a conflict of interest.
Her computer and freezer should be impounded immediately. And she should have the decency to step down while this whole sordid scandal is investigated.
Not only did she lie about minimum wage reductions, but now she’s involved in a loan and kickback scandal.
Terrible…
Shit, another week gone by and STILL no major hurricanes. So it looks like Algore is full of shit… as usual:
Quoting from the gawd of global warming: “Two thousand scientists, in a hundred countries, engaged in the most elaborate, well organized scientific collaboration in the history of humankind, have produced long-since a consensus that we will face a string of terrible catastrophes unless we act to prepare ourselves and deal with the underlying causes of global warming. Ladies and gentlemen, the warnings about global warming have been extremely clear for a long time. We are facing a global climate crisis. It is deepening. We are entering a period of consequences.” http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0912-32.htm
Unfortunately, the facts don’t support Algore’s ill informed alarmist predictions.
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/pastdec.shtml
Decade Category 3,4,5 Hurricanes
1941-1950 10
1951-1960 8
1961-1970 6
1971-1980 4
1981-1990 5
1991-2000 5
2001-2004 3
2005 10
2006 (as of 9/1) 0
For you moonbats who know how to use Excel, try this: Take the above data and plot it in chart form. Then apply a second order polynomial trendline to it. Notice the strong downward trend and an R^2 value of 89%. Clearly the number of major hurricanes has been decreasing for 60 years while industrialization and human activity has been accelerating. 2005 is what is known in the adult world as an “anomaly.
If Algore was right, we should have had at least 15 major hurricanes in 2006 by now. How many have we actually had? Umm…. Zero. None. Zip. Nada. So where is the “string of terrible catastrophes”?
Could it be that Algore is full of shit? Could it be that the link between hurricanes and global warming is weak at best? Could it be that there is no fucking “crisis”? Could it be that you koolaid drinkers need to re-examine your position? Nah….
got to be a full moon, Mark the Red Dicked Welsher and his gal jch are spewing there talking points with CONVICTion. If MTRDW gets $0.20 per post he can pay his known debt by the time the new Democrat led US Congress is sworn in!
Cantwell didn’t loan him money, where is the proof she loaned him any money? He doesn’t remember receiving the money from the loan and doesn’t know what the loan was for, therefore, there isn’t any loan. Furthermore, he said he doesn’t remember why it wasn’t paid back.
These people don’t even know the loan amount…….
I hope Cantwell isn’t on the Senate Finance Committee!
shit, another week passes and MTR’s mother still lets him go online
LOL sgmmac… too funny.
Do you think they know what a great source of amusement they are? The are so sanctimonious and take themselves oh-so-seriously… do you think they know we are laughing at them?
And I love how they know themselves and name themselves so appropriately…
Drivel
treasonous pickle
For the Clueless
The Socialist
I’m a bit concerned about the Daddy Love name though…. its sounds a bit like pedophiliac braggadocio.
How come the first 5 – 15 comments on any post are from wingnuts and completely off topic? I’ve yet to see anything responding to the ad.
Is OBL a priority for the Republicans or not?
If yes, then how come we’re not pushing Pakistan to go after him?
If no, then Bush and his minions should stop using him as a boogie man.
If you can’t stay on topic maybe you should get your own blog.
Wow, a beautiful late summer weekend, and apparently the wingnuts around here have nothing better to do but to post lies.
Oh, by the way, Mark the Yellowback Nazi, pay Goldy for the bet you lost!
The MTRollfuck saga continues.
The “appearance of syphalitic dementia”. Shit, who knows how rotten his cerebelum is. Clearly, there is a conflict of syphalitic rot and hydrocephalus.
His computer and freezer should be incinerated immediately. And he should have the decency to put a shotgun barrell in his mouth and pull the trigger.
JCH @ 1
I am so in his head. He thinks about me even when I am not here. He dreams about me and the ass whoopin’ he gets here.
Vote early, Vote often, Vote Democratic!!!!!!
Is OBL a priority for the Republicans or not?
If yes, then how come we’re not pushing Pakistan to go after him?
If no, then Bush and his minions should stop using him as a boogie man.
If you can’t stay on topic maybe you should get your own blog.
Commentby loloc— 9/9/06@ 5:57 pm
Of course he’s a priority. You’d have to be a moron to think otherwise. He’s suddenly on everyones lips again because (pay attention now) he JUST RELEASED ANOTHER PREVIOUSLY UNSHOWN VIDEO TAUNTING US WITH HIS PLANNING OF 9/11.
Bush would be remiss if he hadn’t mentioned him…. knoda like you folks are remiss when you despise Bush more than you despise the guy that wants you dead.
*kinda
“ Osama bin Laden had declared war on us years earlier, but we insisted on seeing him as a small menace, not unlike Abu Nidal and the terrorists who had hijacked planes or killed Israelis over the previous decades. However, bin Laden is above all a man of ambition, not grievance, and his ambition is to re-establish an Islamic Caliphate after his own fashion, one that can destroy every trace of what the West represents within its own sphere and, someday, in ours, too. “
Nuf – ‘splain the difference between “cerebellum” and “cerebrum”.
We know which one you don’t have.
LMAO…
Don’t talk about stuff you don’t understand.
Dumass…
@ 21
Of course he’s a priority. You’d have to be a moron to think otherwise.
“I truely am not that concerned about him” George W. Bush.
If you can’t stay on topic maybe you should get your own blog. -Commentby loloc— 9/9/06@ 5:57 pm
Ahem.
You might want to notice that the TITLE of this particular thread is (pay attention now)
Open thread
by Goldy, 09/09/2006, 3:47 PM
Perhaps you thought we were discussing types of yarn?
And, FYI: I think you spelled your ‘name’ wrong. It’s L O C O.
Bush has been lying from the beginning. And all that crap that MTR is spewing about democrats and lying, he’s using those same techniques. It’s really the republicans, that is, the Right Wing Authoritarian Conservatives (you know, those guys who really do act like Hitler), who are telling the lies over and over again until a gulible public (MTR and his inbred kind) believes them.
Hell, people still believe Saddam had something to do with 9/11. Those sheep are the same kind of people that allowed Hitler and Mussolini to come to power.
So, the democraps think terrorism and BinLaden are just a game and they want to play.
@ 21
like you folks are remiss when you despise Bush more than you despise the guy that wants you dead.
The chance that OBL is going to kill me is far less than the chance that I will get killed in a car accident. The chance that GWB will steal my liberties and shred the constitution is 100% and the chance that he will turn this country into a right wing night mare is rapidly approaching 100%.
If you ASSes simply don’t understand this, or refuse to understand this, if your party would rather point fingers at their own countrymen than understand this, then your group does not deserve to be trusted with the lives and safety of America.
QUOTING:
The war in Iraq is alternately criticized as a major strategic blunder, something the U.S. should never have done in the first place; or as a tactical fiasco, a worthy enterprise incompetently executed. We would have more sympathy with the second argument if the history of all warfare were not a (retrospective) study in far greater “incompetence,” from Grant’s Wilderness campaign to the needless slaughter of Marines at Peleliu. We’ve cited many of the Administration’s mistakes over the last four years, going back even before the war to its (largely the CIA’s) reluctance to trust and work with all but its own favored Iraqi exiles. But these columns aren’t about to support a war only to back away when things get rough. The mistakes in Iraq at least have some hope of being corrected.
The deeper Iraq argument is that the U.S. should never have gone to war against a country that “posed no threat,” a point supposedly proved by the failure to discover weapons of mass destruction. In fact, Charles Duelfer’s definitive post-mortem report on Iraq’s WMD painted a different picture: Saddam maintained weapons programs that were in “material breach” of U.N. resolutions. And he intended to reconstitute his former programs as soon as the sanctions regime was lifted, something he was well on his way to accomplishing thanks to the global bribery scheme that was the U.N.’s Oil for Food program.
But the notion that Saddam posed no threat beyond WMD capabilities is wrong, and in hindsight the Administration miscalculated politically by emphasizing WMD as it did. That error owed largely to the pressure it was under to take the case for war to the U.N., where Saddam’s violations of his disarmament obligations served as an actionable cause of war. But the real WMD in Iraq’s arsenal was Saddam himself, the threat he posed to his people and his neighbors, and the misbegotten conceits he inspired in a region hungry for a new Saladin or Nasser, someone to redeem Arab honor by standing up to the West.
This was the boil that most needed to be lanced if there was to be any hope that the societies from which the September 11 hijackers hailed could be meaningfully reformed. Saddam in power meant U.S. forces in Saudi Arabia, a chief grievance in bin Laden’s fatwa against America. It also meant $25,000 checks for the families of Palestinian suicide bombers, and the costly maintenance of the no-fly zones and the preservation of U.N. sanctions, which the war’s current critics once told us were the cause of thousands of Iraqi deaths from malnutrition and the dearth of medical supplies.
Saddam in power meant that virtually no other Arab problem, such as Syria’s occupation of Lebanon, could be addressed, let alone resolved. In short, Saddam in power locked the Arab world–and America’s involvement in it–into shapes and patterns that were the source of so many of its political and social ills, and that could only be broken by his removal. And, to a remarkable extent, that is just what happened in the two years after the war.
The chance that OBL is going to kill me is far less than the chance that I will get killed in a car accident. – Commentby loloc— 9/9/06@ 6:38 pm
I’d bet every
single
one
of these people believed the very same thing.
Quarterly 1040 [ES] third payments due next week. OH, I forgot. Most of you “progressives” are tax receivers, not tax payers. Never mind. Rosanna Rosannadana [SNL]
The chance that OBL is going to kill me is far less than the chance that I will get killed in a car accident. – Commentby loloc— 9/9/06@ 6:38 pm
I’d bet every
single
one
of these people believed the very same thing.
Vote early, Vote often, Vote Democratic!!!!!!
Commentby My Left Foot [……..Voter fraud, Voter fraud, Voter fraud]
Oh before I forget:
Exclusive.
Was the Jew killer a conservative or liberal. In the Seattle Times we have the following quote:
Haq’s friend said he couldn’t believe the timid, “geeky” man he knew from the tutoring center was capable of such violence.
“Are you sure we’re talking about the same person?” he said Sunday………….
He said Haq was not a devout Muslim and often complained that the Tri-Cities were too politically conservative.
“I’m beginning to think I was his only friend in the Tri-Cities. I don’t recall him hanging out with anybody else.”
Now for the other side we turn to Darryl’s story on HA July 30, 2006:
Psssssssssstttttttt…….
Ah it looks like the story was all a bunch of hot air. Well there you have it. Enjoy you Nazi libs
Goldy posts a video filled with GWB telling lies, and the wingnuts accuse everyone else of being liars. The best defense strategy, I suppose.
But, you nuts can’t hide forever. The Senate Intelligence Committee released a bi-partisan report on Friday that said there was no tie between al Qaida and Saddam, and that Saddam was actually trying to arrest Zarcawi, not train his fighters. It found that the Bush administration repeatedly ignored intelligence that belied a tie, and took the word of Achmed Chalibi and “Curve Ball”, instead.
In other words, Bush lied us into a war.
Republicans. Liars and smear artists, nothing more.
One more thing, nut cake righties, when you ignore the substance of the charge and go directly into attack on others, you’re admitting the truth of the original statement.
There’s nothing to say about Bush’s lies about Osama and Iraq, is there. He did it, pure and simple.
Mark the Thieving Redneck @ 11
“For you moonbats who know how to use Excel, try this: Take the above data and plot it in chart form. Then apply a second order polynomial trendline to it. Notice the strong downward trend and an R^2 value of 89%.”
You ignorant fucking moron! Your bin sizes are unequal. To properly fit a polynomial you would have to group the last categories into a similar 10-year category.
But, since you only have 5 years for the last bin, you have a data problem called “right censoring.” One can deal with the right censored data by using a method based on maximum likelihood.
But, given the amateurish statistical errors you make over and over again (e.g. your famous call for an inappropriate chi-squared analysis), I highly doubt you have ever heard of maximum likelihood, let alone have a clue about how to do the analysis correctly
I mean…really, Mark the Thieving Redneck, did you even pass your undergraduate statistics course? Didn’t think so….
Your statistical results are wholly unsound. And I haven’t even gotten to your assumptions. Try again…fucking loser!
He’s been posting that crap, and other excrement, for over a week now. MTR follows the old Republican strategy of repeating a lie, no matter how disreputable it is.
Okay, for all you that didn’t get it from the oh, so carefully edited mainstream media:
In the mid-1980’s, Maria went to work for Ron. Shortly thereafter, she started fucking Ron. Ron helped get her elected to the state legislature. Ron was already a lobbyist at the state level. They’ve been doing each other- and letting us pay for it- for over two decades.
In the mid-90’s, Ron’s wife got fed up with Ron. Then he couldn’t pay up on his divorce settlement. But after getting her ass kicked out of Congress after one term, Maria had landed at Real Networks where she was getting rich. So Maria bailed Ron’s ass out with a loan. Just between “friends”…
And then Ron helps her take some of her new riches and buy a Senate seat. Then Ron decides to lobby not just the state, but Congress. Sweetheart deals all the way.
Is any of it sinking in, yet?
Boy that says it all
Now that we know Mikey is a thief, liar, drunk and child abuser, do you think that the repubs will just try to find another candidate, or are all of their potential replacements also thieves, liars, drunks and child abusers?
Sharapova Wins Open Final
WOO HOO i love that woman
I think there all the same pretty much …. thats why they all look a like. :-/
“The chance that OBL is going to kill me is far less than the chance that I will get killed in a car accident. – Commentby loloc— 9/9/06@ 6:38 pm”
As far as one single person is concerned, you are correct.
Over 1400 females in the US died last year from domestic violence alone – 4 women a day – every day, because their husbands and boyfriends kill them.
More pregnant women die from murder than childbirth every year.
There was over 43 THOUSAND people killed in car accidents last year in the US.
There has been over 2 THOUSAND soldiers killed in Iraq in the last 3 years.
The chances of a soldier dying in a car accident are much greater than that soldier dying in Iraq.
So, QUIT whining about the war!
That Maria and Ron stuff is just to hard to follow.
Mike the drunk.
Mike the liar.
Mike the insurance companies go to guy.
Mike sucking Ted Stevens’ cock.
That I understand.
Anony Moose,
I got it now, no wonder the loan hasn’t been paid………… that’s some real expensive sex!
#46
to much information ack
ASS what an appropriate name you have. Everyone knows that the only functions a wingnut ASS has is to spew shit or engulf Jim Wests best asset.
The Senate Intelligence Committee released a bi-partisan report on Friday that said there was no tie between al Qaida and Saddam, and that Saddam was actually trying to arrest Zarcawi, not train his fighters. -Commentby Harry Tuttle— 9/9/06@ 7:13 pm
Uh, uh, uh, sweetcheeks.
You might not want to take your opinions from misleading NYT headlines.
Those that have actually READ the report say that it actually points out SEVERAL ties, however tenuous they may have been, between Sadda, Al Queda and bin Laden.
Of course the NYT would never skew a headline to advance their politics…. just like the Democraps would never try to stifle free speech… unless of course that free speech happens to be spoken against one of their own.
Of course, maybe Bush just believe the MEDIA:
“ Maybe the Bush administration believed there was a bin Laden-Iraq connection because they believed ABC News. In 1999, ABC’s Sheila MacVicar trumpeted how “ABC News has learned that” a top Iraqi official “made a secret trip to Afghanistan to meet with bin Laden. Three intelligence agencies tell ABC News they cannot be certain what was discussed, but almost certainly, they say, bin Laden has been told he would be welcome in Baghdad.” “
Of course, to believe the NYT, you have to ASSume the bi-partisan gaggle that put together the 2002 Congressional Resolution authorizing the use of force against Iraq got it wrong too.
“ Whereas members of al-Qaida, an organization bearing responsibility for attacks on the United States, its citizens, and interests, including the attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, are known to be in Iraq… “
AJStrata notes that media establishment journalists can’t read:
“ Now I know why journalists get their stories so wrong so often – they lack basic reading comprehension skills. With all the hoopla about the Senate Intelligence report supposedly saying there were no ties between Saddam and Terrorists (despite Iraq documents which log the training of thousands of terrorists, and notes regarding meetings with Al Qaeda) it might behoove people to read them for themselves. “
Ron Dotzauer owns Maria Cantwell. He got money from her that she laughingly classifies as a loan, but will never be paid back. He sends his clients to her for over $10 million in earmarks from the the federal taxpayer, which she willingly uses her Senate power to make happen. He lies in public that he doesn’t remember why she gave him huge sums of money, which makes her look bad, but he doesn’t seem to care.
Do we really want a Senator who has a puppetmaster? Dotzauer has gotten money for himself, for his clients, for his company. What’s his next requirement from his personal Senator going to be?
From Josh Marshall:
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.c.....009704.php
(September 09, 2006 — 10:43 PM EST // link)
The CIA has a videotape that shows Osama Bin Laden walking on a trail toward Pakistan at the end of the battle of Tora Bora in December 2001, when he eluded capture by U.S. forces, according to the WP. Since then his trail has gone “stone cold”:
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The clandestine U.S. commandos whose job is to capture or kill Osama bin Laden have not received a credible lead in more than two years. Nothing from the vast U.S. intelligence world — no tips from informants, no snippets from electronic intercepts, no points on any satellite image — has led them anywhere near the al-Qaeda leader, according to U.S. and Pakistani officials.
. . .
On the videotape obtained by the CIA, bin Laden is seen confidently instructing his party how to dig holes in the ground to lie in undetected at night. A bomb dropped by a U.S. aircraft can be seen exploding in the distance. “We were there last night,” bin Laden says without much concern in his voice. He was in or headed toward Pakistan, counterterrorism officials think.
That was December 2001. Only two months later, Bush decided to pull out most of the special operations troops and their CIA counterparts in the paramilitary division that were leading the hunt for bin Laden in Afghanistan to prepare for war in Iraq, said Flynt L. Leverett, then an expert on the Middle East at the National Security Council.
“I was appalled when I learned about it,” said Leverett, who has become an outspoken critic of the administration’s counterterrorism policy. “I don’t know of anyone who thought it was a good idea. It’s very likely that bin Laden would be dead or in American custody if we hadn’t done that.”
Several officers confirmed that the number of special operations troops was reduced in March 2001.
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In another indication of how seriously the Bush Administration takes the pursuit of bin Laden, his FBI Most Wanted Poster makes no mention of the 9/11 attack.
— TPM Reader DK
ahh, janet s stuffs her awsome two cents worth hn the thread.
More from TPM
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.c.....009707.php
September 09, 2006 — 11:14 PM EST // link)
Back to the excellent WP story on the hunt for Osama bin Laden. While the story goes on at length about how Bush pulled operatives out of the region for use in the invasion of Iraq and about how the trail is now “stone cold,” it also contains this pertinent piece of reporting:
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But in the last three months, following a request from President Bush to “flood the zone,” the CIA has sharply increased the number of intelligence officers and assets devoted to the pursuit of bin Laden. The intelligence officers will team with the military’s secretive Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC) and with more resources from the National Security Agency and other intelligence agencies.
The problem, former and current counterterrorism officials say, is that no one is certain where the “zone” is.
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Playing politics with terrorism? See, just as I’m trying to break the stranglehold cynicism has on me, something like this comes along. I’m not sure there is such a thing as too cynical with these guys.
— TPM Reader DK
OK,OK…One more:
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.c.....009705.php
(September 09, 2006 — 11:35 PM EST // link)
One last takeaway from the WP story on the search for bin Laden. Remember how one of the key breakdowns leading to the failure to prevent 9/11 was institutional resistance to sharing intelligence across agencies?
Looks like things have really improved:
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Bureaucratic battles slowed down the hunt for bin Laden for the first two or three years, according to officials in several agencies, with both the Pentagon and the CIA accusing each other of withholding information. Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld’s sense of territoriality has become legendary, according to these officials.
In early November 2002, for example, a CIA drone armed with a Hellfire missile killed a top al-Qaeda leader traveling through the Yemeni desert. About a week later, Rumsfeld expressed anger that it was the CIA, not the Defense Department, that had carried out the successful strike.
“How did they get the intel?” he demanded of the intelligence and other military personnel in a high-level meeting, recalled one person knowledgeable about the meeting.
Gen. Michael V. Hayden, then director of the National Security Agency and technically part of the Defense Department, said he had given it to them.
“Why aren’t you giving it to us?” Rumsfeld wanted to know.
Hayden, according to this source, told Rumsfeld that the information-sharing mechanism with the CIA was working well. Rumsfeld said it would have to stop.
A CIA spokesman said Hayden, now the CIA director, does not recall this conversation. Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman said, “The notion that the department would do anything that would jeopardize the success of an operation to kill or capture bin Laden is ridiculous.” The NSA continues to share intelligence with the CIA and the Defense Department.
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Today, however, no one person is in charge of the overall hunt for bin Laden with the authority to direct covert CIA operations to collect intelligence and to dispatch JSOC units. Some counterterrorism officials find this absurd. “There’s nobody in the United States government whose job it is to find Osama bin Laden!” one frustrated counterterrorism official shouted. “Nobody!”
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If Republicans don’t pay a steep price politically this November for this kind of malfeasance, I really don’t know what it will take to convince voters it’s time for a change of course.
— TPM Reader DK
Do you think rugrat tilts portside with all those left-leaning rags he depends on for “information” and koolaid bullet points?
I believe that Pam Roach is in fact posing here as Janet S. If you look at the insane comments that Janet has made about Darcy and the same insane comments being made in the paper by the cunt Roach, it is obvious that they are one in the same.
Do we really want a Senator like Mike McGavick who lies about things like high school sports accomplishments? If he can’t tell the truth about that, why bother?
OMG!
I found rugrat’s SOURCE!
He just has to hit the RANT button a couple of times… like Pavlov’s dog!
hells bells…
OMG!
I found rugrat’s SOURCE!
He just has to hit the RANT button a couple of times… like Pavlov’s dog!
WOW rugrat… it only took you 22 minutes to change your screen identity!
Is that a new record?
Rightequalsstupid – what exactly have I said that is insane? That Dotzauer owns Cantwell? Why else hasn’t he paid up his debts? He sure doesn’t seem concerned with her reputation. In fact he seems to be going out of his way to make her look feckless. She looks like the love-sick mistress who gives money to her paramour, just because he asks.
Dialogue deleted from 9/11 miniseries
Posted in Satirist by Sean Fri 8 Sep 2006 @ 9:30 pm
Bowing to pressure from powerful Democrats, the ABC network has deleted a dramatic scene from its upcoming miniseries, “The Path to 9/11.” At enormous personal risk and expense, I have acquired a script of the deleted scene, in which National Security Advisor Sandy Berger makes a momentous decision.
SCENE 185: “BERGER’S CALL”
[Set: mountains, night.]
AFGHAN SOLDIER: There he is, Agent Reynolds. Osama bin Laden himself, right in our crosshairs!
CIA AGENT: Good work, Anwar! Killing this monster now could very well prevent terrorist attacks three years hence!
AFGHAN SOLDIER: Shall I fire?
CIA AGENT: Well, let me just get approval from Washington…
[Set: Berger’s office, day.]
BERGER: What’s that ringing? Do you hear it?
INTERN: It’s your telephone, Mr. Berger, sir.
BERGER: My telephone, you say?
INTERN: Yes, sir. [pause] It’s still ringing, sir.
BERGER: I know that, I can hear it. But where is it? Where is the damned thing?
INTERN: I believe… I believe it’s in your pants, sir.
BERGER: You believe what’s in my pants?
INTERN: Your telephone, Mr. Berger. I mean, I think the ringing is coming from your pants. And I see a telephone-sized lump about…
BERGER: Why, so it is. I’ll answer it. Hello? Berger here.
[Set: mountains.]
CIA AGENT: Mr. Berger, we have acquired Target One, await only your order to neutralize.
BERGER (voice): Huh?
CIA AGENT: I repeat, we have acquired Target One. Confidence is high.
AFGHAN SOLDIER: Tell your superiors that time is short! We could miss this opportunity!
BERGER (voice): Who is this?
CIA AGENT: Um, Agent Reynolds, sir. In Afghanistan? Remember, we were going to assassinate Osama bin Laden today?
BERGER (voice): Oh, yeah, yeah. What about him?
CIA AGENT: We need White House permission to shoot him, Mr. Berger.
[Set: Berger’s office.]
BERGER: Ah. Hold on, let me check with Bill. [to intern] Intern, go ask the President if it’s okay with him to shoot that guy, the one in Amsterdam. [into phone] I’m sorry? [to intern] I mean Afghanistan.
[Set: Door to Oval Office.]
INTERN: [knocking] Mr. President?
CLINTON (voice): Not now!
INTERN: Sir?
CLINTON (voice): I said, not now! Oooohhhhhhh…
[Set: Berger’s office.]
INTERN: Mr. Berger, the President says, “Not now.”
BERGER: Thanks. I’ll just tell this… where’s my telephone?
***UPDATE*** A statement from Sandy Berger’s pants
Here is a how the moonbats are equal to Hamas!
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/n.....E_ID=51909
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/n.....E_ID=51898
Looks like the author of the Dereliction of Duty Book is going on the record!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....05_pf.html
Bin Laden Trail ‘Stone Cold’
U.S. Steps Up Efforts, But Good Intelligence On Ground is Lacking
By Dana Priest and Ann Scott Tyson
Washington Post Staff Writers
Sunday, September 10, 2006; A01
The clandestine U.S. commandos whose job is to capture or kill Osama bin Laden have not received a credible lead in more than two years. Nothing from the vast U.S. intelligence world — no tips from informants, no snippets from electronic intercepts, no points on any satellite image — has led them anywhere near the al-Qaeda leader, according to U.S. and Pakistani officials.
“The handful of assets we have have given us nothing close to real-time intelligence” that could have led to his capture, said one counterterrorism official, who said the trail, despite the most extensive manhunt in U.S. history, has gone “stone cold.”
But in the last three months, following a request from President Bush to “flood the zone,” the CIA has sharply increased the number of intelligence officers and assets devoted to the pursuit of bin Laden. The intelligence officers will team with the military’s secretive Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC) and with more resources from the National Security Agency and other intelligence agencies.
The problem, former and current counterterrorism officials say, is that no one is certain where the “zone” is.
Via Rawstoty:
http://www.rawstory.com/showou.....F609090335
Army official: Rumsfeld forbade talk of postwar
By Stephanie Heinatz
Daily Press (Newport News, Va.)
FORT EUSTIS, Va. – Long before the United States invaded Iraq in 2003, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld forbade military strategists to develop plans for securing a postwar Iraq, the retiring commander of the Army Transportation Corps said Thursday.
In fact, said Brig. Gen. Mark Scheid, Rumsfeld said “he would fire the next person” who talked about the need for a postwar plan.
Rumsfeld did replace Gen. Eric Shinseki, the Army chief of staff in 2003, after Shinseki told Congress that hundreds of thousands of troops would be needed to secure postwar Iraq.
Scheid, who is also the commander of Fort Eustis in Newport News, made his comments in an interview with The Daily Press. He retires in about three weeks.
Scheid’s comments are further confirmation of the version of events reported in “Cobra II: The Inside Story of the Invasion and Occupation of Iraq,” the book by New York Times reporter Michael R. Gordon and retired Marine Corps Lt. Gen. Bernard E. Trainor.
In 2001, Scheid was a colonel with the Central Command, the unit that oversees U.S. military operations in the Mideast.
Lefties doing it commie style. They want to censor a documentory because it tells the truth. Once a commie always a commie. hehehe
http://www.nhgazette.com/cgi-b.....ush_Nazi_2
National News
“Bush – Nazi Dealings Continued Until 1951” – Federal Documents
By John Buchanan and Stacey Michael
from The New Hampshire Gazette Vol. 248, No. 3, November 7, 2003
After the seizures in late 1942 of five U.S. enterprises he managed on behalf of Nazi industrialist Fritz Thyssen, Prescott Bush, the grandfather of President George W. Bush, failed to divest himself of more than a dozen “enemy national” relationships that continued until as late as 1951, newly-discovered U.S. government documents reveal.
Furthermore, the records show that Bush and his colleagues routinely attempted to conceal their activities from government investigators.
Bush’s partners in the secret web of Thyssen-controlled ventures included former New York Governor W. Averell Harriman and his younger brother, E. Roland Harriman. Their quarter-century of Nazi financial transactions, from 1924-1951, were conducted by the New York private banking firm, Brown Brothers Harriman.
The White House did not return phone calls seeking comment.
Although the additional seizures under the Trading with the Enemy Act did not take place until after the war, documents from The National Archives and Library of Congress confirm that Bush and his partners continued their Nazi dealings unabated. These activities included a financial relationship with the German city of Hanover and several industrial concerns. They went undetected by investigators until after World War Two.
At the same time Bush and the Harrimans were profiting from their Nazi partnerships, W. Averell Harriman was serving as President Franklin Delano Roosevelt’s personal emissary to the United Kingdom during the toughest years of the war. On October 28, 1942, the same day two key Bush-Harriman-run businesses were being seized by the U.S. government, Harriman was meeting in London with Field Marshall Smuts to discuss the war effort.
Denial and Deceit
While Harriman was concealing his Nazi relationships from his government colleagues, Cornelius Livense, the top executive of the interlocking German concerns held under the corporate umbrella of Union Banking Corporation (UBC), repeatedly tried to mislead investigators, and was sometimes supported in his subterfuge by Brown Brothers Harriman.
All of the assets of UBC and its related businesses belonged to Thyssen-controlled enterprises, including his Bank voor Handel en Scheepvaart in Rotterdam, the documents state.
Nevertheless, Livense, president of UBC, claimed to have no knowledge of such a relationship. “Strangely enough, (Livense) claims he does not know the actual ownership of the company,” states a government report.
H.D Pennington, manager of Brown Brothers Harriman and a director of UBC “for many years,” also lied to investigators about the secret and well-concealed relationship with Thyssen’s Dutch bank, according to the documents.
Investigators later reported that the company was “wholly owned” by Thyssen’s Dutch bank.
Despite such ongoing subterfuge, U.S. investigators were able to show that “a careful examination of UBC’s general ledger, cash books and journals from 1919 until the present date clearly establish that the principal and practically only source of funds has been Bank voor Handel en Scheepvaart.”
In yet another attempt to mislead investigators, Livense said that $240,000 in banknotes in a safe deposit box at Underwriters Trust Co. in New York had been given to him by another UBC-Thyssen associate, H.J. Kouwenhoven, managing director of Thyssen’s Dutch bank and a director of the August Thyssen Bank in Berlin. August Thyssen was Fritz’s father.
The government report shows that Livense first neglected to report the $240,000, then claimed that it had been given to him as a gift by Kouwenhoven. However, by the time Livense filed a financial disclosure with U.S. officials, he changed his story again and reported the sum as a debt rather than a cash holding.
In yet another attempt to deceive the governments of both the U.S. and Canada, Livense and his partners misreported the facts about the sale of a Canadian Nazi front enterprise, La Cooperative Catholique des Consommateurs de Combustible, which imported German coal into Canada via the web of Thyssen-controlled U.S. businesses.
“The Canadian authorities, however, were not taken in by this maneuver,” a U.S. government report states. The coal company was later seized by Canadian authorities.
After the war, a total of 18 additional Brown Brothers Harriman and UBC-related client assets were seized under The Trading with the Enemy Act, including several that showed the continuation of a relationship with the Thyssen family after the initial 1942 seizures.
The records also show that Bush and the Harrimans conducted business after the war with related concerns doing business in or moving assets into Switzerland, Panama, Argentina and Brazil – all critical outposts for the flight of Nazi capital after Germany’s surrender in 1945. Fritz Thyssen died in Argentina in 1951.
One of the final seizures, in October 1950, concerned the U.S. assets of a Nazi baroness named Theresia Maria Ida Beneditka Huberta Stanislava Martina von Schwarzenberg, who also used two shorter aliases. Brown Brothers Harriman, where Prescott Bush and the Harrimans were partners, attempted to convince government investigators that the baroness had been a victim of Nazi persecution and therefore should be allowed to maintain her assets.
“It appears, rather, that the subject was a member of the Nazi party,” government investigators concluded.
At the same time the last Brown Brothers Harriman client assets were seized, Prescott Bush announced his Senate campaign that led to his election in 1952.
Investigation Investigated?
In 1943, six months after the seizure of UBC and its related companies, a government investigator noted in a Treasury Department memo dated April 8, 1943 that the FBI had inquired about the status of any investigation into Bush and the Harrimans.
“I gave ‘a memorandum’ which did not say anything about the American officers of subject,” the investigator wrote. “(Another investigator) wanted to know whether any specific action had been taken by us with respect to them.”
No further action beyond the initial seizures was ever taken, and the newly-confirmed records went unseen by the American people for six decades.
What Does It All Mean?
So why are the documents relevant today?
“The story of Prescott Bush and Brown Brothers Harriman is an introduction to the real history of our country,” says L.A. art book publisher and historian Edward Boswell. “It exposes the money-making motives behind our foreign policies, dating back a full century. The ability of Prescott Bush and the Harrimans to bury their checkered pasts also reveals a collusion between Wall Street and the media that exists to this day.”
Sheldon Drobny, a Chicago entrepreneur and philanthropist who will soon launch a liberal talk radio network, says the importance of the new documents is that they prove a long pattern of Bush family war profiteering that continues today via George H.W. Bush’s intimate relationship with the Saudi royal family and the bin Ladens, conducted via the super-secret Carlyle Group, whose senior advisers include former U.S. Secretary of State James A. Baker III.
In the post-9/11 world, Drobny finds the Bush-Saudi connection deeply troubling. “Trading with the enemy is trading with the enemy,” he says. “That’s the relevance of the documents and what they show.”
Lawrence Lader, an abortion rights activist and the author of more than 40 books, says “the relevance lies with the fact that the sitting President of the United States would lead the nation to war based on lies and against the wishes of the rest of the world.” Lader and others draw comparisons between President Bush’s invasion of Iraq and Hitler’s occupation of Poland in 1939 – the event that sparked World War Two.
However, others see an even larger significance.
“The discovery of the Bush-Nazi documents raises new questions about the role of Prescott Bush and his influential business partners in the secret emigration of Nazi war criminals, which allowed them to escape justice in Germany,” says Bob Fertik, co-founder of Democrats.com and an amateur ‘Nazi hunter.’ “It also raises questions about the importance of Nazi recruits to the CIA in its early years, in what was called Operation Paperclip, and Prescott Bush’s role in that dark operation.”
Fertik and others, including former Justice Department Nazi war crimes prosecutor John Loftus, a Constitutional attorney in Miami, and a former Veterans Administration official, believe Prescott Bush and the Harrimans should have been tried for treason.
What Next?
Now, say Fertik and Loftus, there should be a Congressional investigation into the Bush family’s Nazi past and its concealment from the American people for 60 years.
“The American people have a right to know, in detail, about this hidden chapter of our history,” says Loftus, author of The Secret War Against the Jews. “That’s the only way we can understand it and deal with it.”
For his part, Fertik is pessimistic that even a Congressional investigation can thwart the war profiteering of the present Bush White House. “It’s impossible to stop it,” he says, “when the worst war profiteers are George W. Bush and Dick Cheney, who operate in secrecy behind the vast powers of the White House.”
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John Buchanan is a journalist and magazine writer based in Miami Beach. He can be reached by e-mail at jtwg@bellsouth.net.
Stacey Michael is a New Orleans-based journalist and the author of Religious Conceit. His most recent book is Weapons of Mass Dysfunction: The Art of “Faith-Based” Politics, due in early 2004. He can be reached by email at staceymichael@religiousconceit.com.
They want to censor a documentory
Translation: Wow this is the propaganda we’ve ever put out. It’s full of our best wingnut fanatasies. It give me a woody just thinking about it.
Yeah, rujax, you just keep on with those conspiracy theories. Are you going along with the one about 911? Please keep it up. The vote in November depends on it.
ASS @ 64: Thanks, that was truly funny.
They want to censor a documentory
Translation: Wow this is the propaganda we’ve ever put out. It’s full of our best wingnut fanatasies. It give me a woody just thinking about it. -Commentby For the Clueless— 9/9/06@ 11:08 pm
“The lady doth protest too much, methinks.”
ps: aptlynameclueless… that’s Queen Gertrude in Hamlet
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Hehehehe Yeah but the only difference is that you donks respond to the rights propaganda by trying to get it censored. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Maybe because it is the truth. hehehehehe
Translation: Wow this is the propaganda we’ve ever put out. It’s full of our best wingnut fanatasies. It give me a woody just thinking about it. Commentby For the Clueless— 9/9/06@ 11:08 pm
Amazing what a moonbat gets a woody over.
yoohoo aptlynamedclueless…
Nothing can come of nothing: speak again.”
ps: that’s King Lear
Mr. Bush has shown for a number of years that Osama Bin Ladin is only a priority at election time. Why should this one be any different.
Prewar intelligence doubted al-Qaida link to Iraq, report says
By Jonathan Weisman
The Washington Post
WASHINGTON — A declassified report released Friday by the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence revealed that U.S. intelligence analysts were strongly disputing the alleged links between Saddam Hussein and al-Qaida while senior Bush administration officials were publicly asserting those links to justify invading Iraq.
CIA said no Al Queda / Saddam links to Bush. Bush said Queda / Saddam links to American People.
Treason. Plain and simple.
Lying about the true threats to our country to start an illegal war.
Treason. Plain and simple.
Too lazy to actually read the report for yourself eh factless? Oh so much easier to let someone else tell you what to think?
What flavor is your koolaid, today?
So now right wing traitor lovers…. Explain to me how lying about threats to our country in order to start a war is not treason.
C’mon. Call your friends. Network. Give me an answer.
Official investingation confirms Bush lied about intelligence. Not speculation. Not partisan attacks. Official finding of fact by bi-partisan committee.
Now how is this not treason.
I guess there are 2 types of Americans. Me = oppose lying traitors , and You = support lying traitors.
Scroll up sweetcheeks.
The link to the report is up there.
Don’t let the 150+ pages daunt you.
My dog is smarter than your president!!!!!!
Vote Early, Vote Often, Vote Democratic!!!!!!
Conservative: One whose mind is so narrow, that it has been squeezed right out of their head.
The “appearance of impropriety”. Shit, who knows how rotten she is. Clearly, there is a conflict of interest.
Her computer and freezer should be impounded immediately. And she should have the decency to step down while this whole sordid scandal is investigated.
Commentby Mark The Redneck KENNEDY— 9/9/06@ 5:00 pm
Not only did she lie about minimum wage reductions, but now she’s involved in a loan and kickback scandal.
Terrible…
Commentby Mark The Redneck KENNEDY
Grow a brain traitor lover.
McGavic = Republican = bad for America
Cantwell = Democrat = good for America
At least I can add.
Appearance of what? What about Cheney and all those no bid Halliburton contracts for BILLIONS????
Crackpot.
LMAO well that was certainly a FAST subject change! Whatsamatter bubbe, the other one get a little too demanding for you?
So tell us, factless, who are those competitors to Halliburton you’re whining about?
Do you know?
{crickets chirping…}
Let me help you factless.
Halliburtons competitors are…
The Bechtel Group, a private contactor run by the BILLIONAIRE Bechtal family who owns the controlling shares it with a whopping 40,000 full time employees.
Schlumberger Ltd, who is only in oilfield management with 60,000 full time employees.
Technip, a FRENCH company offering construction services in the oil business, with a grand total of 21,000 full time employees.
Now let’s look at big, bad, mean old Halliburton…
Various services, products, maintenance, engineering, and construction to energy, industrial, and governmental customers worldwide with 106,000 full time employees.
So let’s recap… considering Halliburton and its only 3 competitors, which company offers MORE and VARIED services? Which company has more employees to offer?
The silence is deafening.
Hunt those talking points, little libs, hunt em hard.
Of course, before Dotzauer, it was Maria’s adoration for Alan Cranston which had brought her to Washington State. Yes, Maria wanted to get one of the infamous Keating 5 elected to the presidency. Nice to know that Ron didn’t warp her- she arrived in this state morally deficient, and just fell in with a similar skunk.
Factless?
Describe the bidding process for the 200 million dollar contract to rebuild the navy base in Louisiana.
Who bid on the contract?
Who was awarded the contract?
http://www.time.com/time/magaz.....11,00.html
By the way, how many terror warnings we were about to be attacked were flatly ignored by the Bushies before 9-11?
I know of about a hundred, including the 54 from the FAA alone.
That freedom of information act reaaly hurts ol bush….
Answer the question Right Wing Freaks.
So now right wing traitor lovers…. Explain to me how lying about threats to our country in order to start a war is not treason.
C’mon. Call your friends. Network. Give me an answer.
Official investingation confirms Bush lied about intelligence. Not speculation. Not partisan attacks. Official finding of fact by bi-partisan committee.
Now how is this not treason?
http://archives.seattletimes.n.....telligence
Lying about Saddam Al Queda links in order to start a war is treason. Always will be.
Go ahead and defend Bush.
And burn in hell where his robot Un-American defenders belong.
87 “Now let’s look at big, bad, mean old Halliburton…
Various services, products, maintenance, engineering, and construction to energy, industrial, and governmental customers worldwide”
Yup. All of it badly.
Six years ago, Osama bin Laden realized his dream of hurting America, by making the most incompetent, amoral boob ever to set foot in the Oval Office look like a hero.
Bah. Mark the Goatroper will no doubt point out how I can’t read a calendar at three in the morning.
Why Republicans cannot be trusted to keep our nation safe from terrorism, as if anyone needs more evidence than 2001-2006:
“Bureaucratic battles slowed down the hunt for bin Laden for the first two or three years, according to officials in several agencies, with both the Pentagon and the CIA accusing each other of withholding information. Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld’s sense of territoriality has become legendary, according to these officials. ”
“In early November 2002, for example, a CIA drone armed with a Hellfire missile killed a top al-Qaeda leader traveling through the Yemeni desert. About a week later, Rumsfeld expressed anger that it was the CIA, not the Defense Department, that had carried out the successful strike.”
” ‘How did they get the intel?’ he demanded of the intelligence and other military personnel in a high-level meeting, recalled one person knowledgeable about the meeting.”
“Gen. Michael V. Hayden, then director of the National Security Agency and technically part of the Defense Department, said he had given it to them.”
” ‘Why aren’t you giving it to us?’ Rumsfeld wanted to know.”
“Hayden, according to this source, told Rumsfeld that the information-sharing mechanism with the CIA was working well. Rumsfeld said it would have to stop.”
“A CIA spokesman said Hayden, now the CIA director, does not recall this conversation. Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman said, ‘The notion that the department would do anything that would jeopardize the success of an operation to kill or capture bin Laden is ridiculous.’ The NSA continues to share intelligence with the CIA and the Defense Department.”
. . .
“Today, however, no one person is in charge of the overall hunt for bin Laden with the authority to direct covert CIA operations to collect intelligence and to dispatch JSOC units. Some counterterrorism officials find this absurd. ‘There’s nobody in the United States government whose job it is to find Osama bin Laden!’ one frustrated counterterrorism official shouted. ‘Nobody!’ “
Why Republicans cannot be trusted with our antions security:
“democrats and nazis are the same thing”
– Mark The Redneck
and not with our nation’s security, either.
MTR
What a maroon.
sgmmac @ 13
“Cantwell didn’t loan him money, where is the proof she loaned him any money? ”
You mean besides the six years that Maria Cantwell has been listing the loan as an asset on her financial dislosure reports?
ASS
hole.
It’s my name, dickbreath.
ASS @ 21
“He’s suddenly on everyones lips again because (pay attention now) he JUST RELEASED ANOTHER PREVIOUSLY UNSHOWN VIDEO TAUNTING US WITH HIS PLANNING OF 9/11.”
Isn’t it funny that UBL rleases a four-year-old video just in time for the Republican “be very afraid” campaign reprise 2006. It’s almost as though he WANTS the Boy Idiot and the Gang that Can’t Shoot Straight to go on unhindered, isn’t it? You can just tell how afraid he is of Bush. He’s never had such good times recruiting and raising money since Bush etablished permanent military occupations in two Muslim countries, announced a “crusade,” and encouraged another invasion That is, Lebanon). Yeah, Bush is all over that bin Laden guy.
Speaking of terrorist attacks on Amercia, when is Bush going to announce an arrest in the 2001-2002 anthrax attacks? I feel MUCH safer now.
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Daddy, There is NO loan. She is listing the loan on the form to get emergency money, or to cover up missing money.
If there really was a loan, then she would be one of the most morally corrupt Senators around.
Who loans their personal friends money from a campaign fund? What else does her campaingn fund pay for?
Does she really believe that people who donate their hard earned money to her CAMPAIGN fund want her to loan it out to her friends?
Especially to pay off their EX-wives?
There needs to be an investigation on this money – now!
“It’s in the P-I!”
Friday, September 8, 2006 · Last updated 2:05 p.m. PT
Whistle-blower slams Iraq contractor
By DEBORAH HASTINGS
AP NATIONAL WRITER
Halliburton subsidiary Kellogg, Brown & Root charged millions to the government for recreational services never provided to U.S. troops in Iraq, including giant tubs of chicken wings and tacos, a widescreen TV, and cheese sticks meant for a military Super Bowl party, according to a federal whistle-blower suit unsealed Friday.
Instead, the suit alleges, KBR used the military’s supplies for its own football party.
Filed last year in U.S. District Court in Washington, D.C., by former KBR employee Julie McBride, the lawsuit claims the giant defense contractor billed the government for thousands of meals it never served, inflated the number of soldiers using its fitness and Internet centers, and regularly siphoned off great quantities of supplies destined for American soldiers.
McBride was hired by KBR in 2004 as a “morale, welfare and recreation” coordinator at Camp Fallujah, a Marine installation about 35 miles west of Baghdad. She was fired the next year after making several complaints about KBR’s accounting practices, the suit says, and was kept under guard until she was escorted to an airplane and flown out of the country.
Halliburton denied McBride’s allegations.
“The claims included in this lawsuit clearly demonstrate a complete misinterpretation of facts as well as a lack of understanding of KBR’s contractual agreements with its customer,” said company spokeswoman Melissa Norcross in an e-mail to The Associated Press.
The Super Bowl incident occurred in January 2005, the suit said. “McBride witnessed a large amount of food that was ordered specifically for a Super Bowl party for the military” taken instead to the company’s lodgings. “About 10 large metal tubs full of tacos, chicken wings, (and) cheese sticks were taken from the military party site to a KBR camp for a KBR Super Bowl Party for KBR employees,” according to the complaint. A widescreen TV was also removed.
McBride worked 12-hour shifts, seven days a week, at Camp Fallujah’s recreation center, where the government was billed according to the number of soldiers using the contractor’s facilities, which included a weight room, video games, Internet cafe, a library and phone bank, the suit says. She alleges that KBR deliberately overstated the number of military personnel using its services by counting the same person several times. For example, a person who used a computer was counted as one. If that person went on the weight room, another count was added to the list of patrons.
“It wasn’t double-dipping, but triple dipping or even quadruple billing,” the suit claims.
Attorney Alan Grayson, who represents McBride, said “millions of dollars have been submitted by Halliburton for recreational services” not provided.
The “qui tam” suit, filed under the federal False Claims Act, allows citizens to sue on behalf of the government against contractors who make false claims for payment. The plaintiffs are eligible to receive a percentage of awarded damages, which are tripled in this type of suit.
Such suits are usually sealed for 60 days while the Justice Department investigates the claims and decides whether the U.S. Attorney’s office will sign on as a co-plaintiff.
The Justice Department declined comment Friday on why it chose not to participate in McBride’s suit.
ASS @ 30
Oh, “quoting” the WSJ opinion page? What a surprising place to find someone who will tell us what a jolly great idea invading Iraq was! That train left the station a long time ago, pal. America thinks you guys are idiots for doing it. And they’re right.
Speaking of quoting, how about actual quotes from the Duelfer report:
“Saddam Hussein ended the nuclear program in 1991 following the Gulf War. ISG found no evidence to suggest concerted efforts to restart the program.”
“While a small number of old, abandoned chemical munitions have been discovered, ISG judges that Iraq unilaterally destroyed its undeclared chemical weapons stockpile in 1991.”
“In practical terms, with the destruction of the Al Hakam facility, Iraq abandoned its ambition to obtain advanced BW (biological weapons) quickly. ISG found no direct evidence that Iraq, after 1996, had plans for a new BW program or was conducting BW-specific work for military purposes.”
“ISG thoroughly examined two trailers captured in 2003, suspected of being mobile BW agent production units, and investigated the associated evidence. ISG judges that its Iraqi makers almost certainly designed and built the equipment exclusively for the generation of hydrogen. It is impractical to use the equipment for the production and weaponization of BW agent.”
I agree that it does seem to be definitive. BTW, a search of the Duelfer report PDFs rveals only one use of the term “material breach,” which was in a quote from UNR 1441. It was not a conslusion by Duelfer.
Aony Mose @ 89
“one of the infamous Keating 5 ”
McCain supporter, are you?
“Do you know why Chelsea Clinton is so ugly? Because Janet Reno is her father.” — John McCain
Janet S @ 63
“Dotzauer owns Cantwell?”
I’m guessing you’ve never had any money and never will. Dotzauer “owns” Cantwell based on a $15K loan between two millionaires? Sure thing, babe. Or “tough as nails” Maria Cantwell is all googly-eyed over a guy she may have dated years ago? Yeah, right. She’ll pull the stones right out of Mike the Civil’s little scrotum, she will.
Those that have actually READ the report say that it actually points out SEVERAL ties, however tenuous they may have been, between Sadda, Al Queda and bin Laden.
The wingnuts are really good at spouting things like the above.
Of course, the writer doesn’t claim to be among those who have read the report, so I’ll provide the opportunity to do so here:
http://intelligence.senate.gov/phaseiiaccuracy.pdf
It, of course, does speak of all the lies made by Chalabi and the INC linking Saddam and al Qaeda, and the majority opinion is that they are bullshit.
But, Roberts, Bond, Hatch and Chambliss attempt to put lipstick on their Propagandist in Chief’s statements in a minority opinion.
I choose to believe the majority as well as, by now, anyone with the slightest acquantance with reality.
sgmmac @
You make a lot of claims that could use some support.
“>i>There is NO loan. She is listing the loan on the form to get emergency money, or to cover up missing money.”
Which is why she has listed it as a loan for six years. What you say, besides lacking documentation, does not make sense. She lists the loan on the form as an asset much like an account receivable on a business balance sheet. How doe sthat get her ’emergency moany,” and why would a millionaire wo had $5 million of campaign funds in the bank want or need “emergency money?” It sounds like you’re just babblng conspiriacy theory nonsense.
“If there really was a loan, then she would be one of the most morally corrupt Senators around.”
I fail to see how a minor ethics rules violation where she received no money whatsoever compares in ANY way with, say, the outright acceptance of bribes for legislative favors of, for example, “Duke” Cunningham or Bob Ney, to name a couple of the GOP’s most egregiously corrupt members.
“Who loans their personal friends money from a campaign fund? What else does her campaign fund pay for? Does she really believe that people who donate their hard earned money to her CAMPAIGN fund want her to loan it out to her friends?”
You seem to have a pretty unique take on the source of the funds. Maria Cantwell’s campaign spokesman, Michael Meehan, said only that “it was a personal loan from Sen. Cantwell to Mr. Dotzauer, made before she was a senator.” Didn’t sound too campaign-y. Again, if you have documentation for your wild claims, I’m sure we’d all love to see it. You may be mistaking the FEC campaign finance disclosure report with the personal financial disclosure forms required of every Congressperson. This has nothing to do with her campaign financial disclosure.
Answer the question Right Wing Freaks.
So now right wing traitor lovers…. Explain to me how lying about threats to our country in order to start a war is not treason.
C’mon. Call your friends. Network. Give me an answer.
Official investingation confirms Bush lied about intelligence. Not speculation. Not partisan attacks. Official finding of fact by bi-partisan committee.
Now how is this not treason?
http://archives.seattletimes.n.....telligence
Lying about Saddam Al Queda links in order to start a war is treason. Always will be.
Go ahead and defend Bush.
And burn in hell where his robot Un-American defenders belong.
The Washington Post:
WASHINGTON — A declassified report released Friday by the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence revealed that U.S. intelligence analysts were strongly disputing the alleged links between Saddam Hussein and al-Qaida while senior Bush administration officials were publicly asserting those links to justify invading Iraq.
Liar Cantwell should step down for a while until this sordid mess can get untangled. Clearly, she can’t be trusted any more. The FBI should seize her computer and freezer immediately. Loans, kickbacks, sleaze, corruption, conflict of interest, possible criminal action…
We should have known something was up when lied about something as trivial as minimum wage…
Jump up and down. Kick your dog. Molest your little sister. All the noise in the world you right wing traitor lovers make does not change the fact that you support animals that lie to you, and me in order to start wars, and carry out their plans for “a new world order” or god knows what.
There was no intelligence failure, unless you count your intelligence. The CIA said no proof of any wmd’s. Bush went ahead and lied about it anyway knowing you sheep would support him no matter how many lies he told.
It feels great that 1/3 of America cares nothing for the truth, accountability, or the rule of law. Republican sheep traitors.
The same people demanding Clinton be impeached because he thought getting a bj was different than having intercourse, and said so under oath.
Republicans make real Americans want to puke.
MTR – that is one unhinged bet-welsher. The closer to November, the more delusional.
Have your read The Economist editorial yet on Global Warming, bet-welsher? Why don’t you take your chi-squared bullshit to the “moonbats” over there?
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Don’t let ABC trash Bill Clinton with lies all over again.
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Screw tiny URLs
Yes, he’s right, there are 2 types of Americans:
Can’tFindAFactIfHeWalkedIntoOne = anti-neocon, and ME = neocon.
Can’tFindAFactIfHeWalkedIntoOne = no terrorists, and ME = moonbats are friends of terrorists.
Can’tFindAFactIfHeWalkedIntoOne = don’t use islamofascist, and ME = call them what they are; islamofascists.
Can’tFindAFactIfHeWalkedIntoOne = won’t attack me, and ME = they’ll attack anyone not islamofascist.
Can’tFindFactsIfHeWalkedIntoOne & Clueless = dumb and dumber, and ME = see them for what they are; moonbats.
So to repeat; this one sums it up:
Can’tFindAFactIfHeWalkedIntoOne = anti-neocon, and ME = neocon.
Notice that Janet S didn’t deny being Pam Roach?
Call me names, while defending an administration that ruined America’s credibility worldwide, destroyed our military, doesn’t take care of our vets, lies repeatedly, added 4 trillion dollars to our national debt while giving huge tax breaks to the top 1%, took our nation to war with a country that did not harbor Al Queda, or have WMD’s, pretends global warming is not real, plans on drilling our way out of our energy problems, and the list goes on, and on, and on. You support these lying traitors. I will support change.
I will take my positions over yours any day, and twice on Sunday.
As far as terror is concerned, I think we should be killing terrorists. You think we should just be creating more….
Every time an innocent muslim dies, the people that hate us get stronger, and we get weaker.
As long as “towlheads” are dying that is all that will keep you happy?
Just name what the 100,000 dead Iraqis did to deserve us causing their deaths by invasion, torture, or negligence?
Did anyone catch this. Clinton wanted to expand “legal” wiretapping to help fight terror, and was blocked by REPUBLICANS. Reading this article could send a chill down any Red Blooded American’s spine.
Why shold Republicans fight terror, when they can play politics with every issue, and make Americans less safe every day.
Better read this.
Be sitting down.
http://americablog.blogspot.co.....h-for.html
Anyone that thinks Republicans would be better at fighting terror should be locked in a rubber room. For life!
Janet S/Pam I noticed that you attacked Darcy for being a mother trying to run for Congress while raising a child. Did it bother you that Mike McGavick admitted abandoning both his son and wife to run a political campaign? If not, why do you have such a double standard? If so, does this mean you will support Cantwell? And by the way, should we take child rearing advice from someone who’s own children turned out so poorly?
http://archives.seattletimes.n.....telligence Vomit by Facts Support My Positions— 9/10/06@ 1:28 am
Can’tFindAFactIfHeWalkedIntoOne:
1) There already is demonstrative evidence in the Senate report part 2 overlooked by the moonbats news services to discredit your “facts”.
2) Didn’t Goldie: Fearful Leader of the NorthWest Division of Lunatic Moonbats blog he couldn’t trust the Seattle Times? Google it moonbats
So why are you throwing this fishrag as your gospel source?
I understand there are people out there that hate America, and want to kill me.
I also understand that because of Bush’s insane actions that even more people hate me and want to kill me.
Bush didn’t create the problem, but he just poured a million gallons of gasoline on the fires of hatred.
“Now let’s look at big, bad, mean old Halliburton… Various services, products, maintenance, engineering, and construction to energy, industrial, and governmental customers worldwide”
Yup. All of it badly. Commentby ArtFart— 9/10/06@ 2:54 am
Prove this dribble with facts, ArtFart. Please fart on this blog so we can see the “facts supporting your position”.
Fact – In Iraq after the three week run to Baghdad, Halliburton constructed full 10 & 20,000 sq ft mess halls in less than two weeks.
Fact – After the three week run to Baghdad, Halliburton tankers fueled the military more efficiently than any other war to date.
Fact – Who used Halliburton in the Balkans before he left office 1/20/2001?
I’ll stop here because facts hurt the librul mind!
Actually it is the Washington Post. It was just printed in the Times. It sucks when reality is 180 degrees from your position…
It kinda sucks then our president is “imagining” terrorist threats, and terror ties.
What is the word I heard yesterday?
Fabricated intelligence.
http://www.capitolhillblue.com.....2518.shtml
Fabricating intelligence is a crime right?
Only to an American. To a fascist it is SOP.
I think they’re right, MTR. You are ihinged. Get thee to Home Depot!
So the FBI is going to seize property from Maria Cantwell for violating a Senate rule, when ty’re not even investigating? Personally, I’d prefer that they catch the anthrax terrorist, but I don’t have much hope of that happening while Bus is president and “yes, sir!” Gnzales is AG. can appreciate the propaganda vlaue of trying to tie her minor ethics infraction to Rep. Jefferson’s (alleged but suspiscous-appearing) bribe-taking, but the mere fact that she never receievd any money from her friend kind of undercuts that, doesn’t it?
I used to think you were a person in here with whom dialog was possbile, but now all I expect is that you’ll ignore the question and either repeat your ridiculous allegations or declare yourself the “winner” again, or both. You’re nothing now if not sad and predictable.
Facts only support my positons. Who at Halliburton was arrested for defrauding the government?
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories.....6644.shtml
I pay my taxes so they give my money to Halliburton, and trust them to treat me fairly since there are no audits, or accountability, or prosecutions for fraud….
Sorry Pud…
No matches
http://www.google.com/search?h.....zes+nation
Okay since moonbats hate Halliburton let me present your favorite one, The Shaw Group, – run by moonbats. Notice we don’t hate Hallibruton, we let the facts speak for themselves; from moonbat sites themselves because moonbats don’t know who run the businesses at the top!
“Reconstruction” of NOLA = “Reconstruction” of Iraq? http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/2873
Submitted by Sussel on Sun, 2005-09-11 16:05. General Discussion
“Reconstruction” of NOLA = “Reconstruction” of Iraq?
By Murshed Zaheed
Posted on Fri Sep 09, 2005 at 12:21:08 PM EST
So the “Shaw Group” lands two $100 million contracts for NOLA reconstruction. Apparently this company is client of Allbaugh (according to TPM). The contract is same as controversial Halliburton contract in Iraq (Indefinite Delivery/Indefinite Quantity) whereby company just bills govt as it goes with profit determined as percentage of costs (gives company incentive to increases costs):
BATON ROUGE, La., Sep 08, 2005 (BUSINESS WIRE) — The Shaw Group Inc. (SGR) today that is has been awarded an Indefinite Delivery/Indefinite Quantity (ID/IQ) contract from the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers to aid in the recovery and rebuilding efforts. Shaw will provide supervision, equipment, materials, labor, logistics, and all means necessary to provide the Corps of Engineers an immediate response for construction contract capability. The contract will provide construction and related services including program planning, scheduling, design, engineering, transportation, construction management, and quality control. Under this contract, Shaw has received its first task of pumping floodwater from the city of New Orleans out and over the levees. Shaw is using temporary pumps and is repairing and restarting the existing pump stations. The $100 million contract has a base period of one-year, with an additional one-year option. Shaw announced earlier today a $100 million ID/IQ contract award by the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) to provide support services in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, including housing assistance for displaced residents.
Why deos Halliburton even get contracts? One of the first things Bush did in office was reverse a Clinton set of regulations barring companies with histories of violations of government laws from getting government contracts.
Democrats clean up government, Republicans just clean up.
Daddy – All I’m saying is that Cantwell can’t be trusted any more. She needs to step aside while this whole thing is investigated. Who knows what other sleazy crap she’s mixed up in?
Vote early, Vote often, Vote Democratic!!!!!!!
Soon, we will have our damn country back!!!!!!
Bush will be the typical lame duck president with no balls!!!!!
Nearly two thirds of this country is fed up with the way the president is handling Iraq and the economy. The personal attacks are increasing, because when you are wrong, you can’t debate issues you have already lost. The alternative is nasty politics, name calling and lying. This time the Amerian public won’t fall for it. Goodbye WingNuts.
Nah Nah Nah Naaaaaah, hey hey, gooooobyeeeeeeee…. let the fat lady sing.
#131 use the whole URL I posted! It’s from http://www.currentsauce.com
Why deos Halliburton even get contracts? One of the first things Bush did in office was reverse a Clinton set of regulations barring companies with histories of violations of government laws from getting government contracts. Democrats clean up government, Republicans just clean up. Commentby Daddy Love— 9/10/06@ 10:30 am
I ask again: Who authorized the use of Halliburton in the Balkans?
Moonbats: Why do you support the UN when they SCREW Israel time and again? Now the French and Italians say they will not stop foreign ships and inspect them for Iranian weapons being sent to Hezbollah.
You are the anti-neocons. You support the UN and French/Italian positions of screwing over Israel.
We are the neocons. We DO NOT SUPPORT the feckless UN and F/I positions over boat inspections.
Why does Goldie support the destruction of his ancestrial home and native land? Where is he true patriot blood? Why doesn’t he want it strong and free? Why isn’t he over there guarding it? Because he can’t admit to these things. GOLDIE IS A MOONBAT ANTI-NEOCON! THROUGH AND THROUGH
I for one, hope we have satellite intel going to Israel on boat loading as Goldie’s friends the Iranians load rocket parts on ships bound for Lebanon! Goldie hasn’t come out supporting Israel (some of him minions have blogged tepid support) so he must be for the other side!
Amazing how a left wing moonbat contradict himself when the facts come out:
http://www.wtnh.com/Global/sto.....8;nav=3YeX
“”He has run such a negative campaign up until this point that he had to reach back eight years to find something new to attack Joe Lieberman about — and in this case, he was so desperate to lash out that he didn’t seem to care that he was completely contradicting himself,” Brown said. “
Hello moonbats: I’ll ask again: Who authorized the use of Halliburton in the Balkans? If they were such great US societal members back then, why do you hate them now?
“Name any major legislation they (Republicans) have passed, and Bush signed into law that helped normal Americans, and hurt the super rich, and large corporations.”
It has been 2 days, and the Bush Apologists have still not answered this question. C’mon. Call Rove or something. Name something. Anything.
As far as raising taxes, the Republicans put us so far into debt the following Democratic presidents have to raise taxes. It is a double edged sward. Go bankrupt, or raise taxes.
As long as the super rich are getting their taxes cut they are happy, and that is all the GOP cares about anyway…..
So, here we are … 5 years past a national tragedy and some Americans are still blaming their fellow countrymen and coddling terrorists.
Here we are … 5 years past a national tragedy in which 2,996 AMERICANS died at the hands of vicious murderers that despise every single thing about the Amerrican way of life, including and especially the freedom of speech that is demonstrated here.
2,996.
What does 2,996 mean today?
2,996 is a tribute to the victims of 9/11. On September 11, 2006, 2,996 volunteer bloggers will join together for a tribute to the victims of 9/11. Each person will pay tribute to a single victim.
So, I just have wonder… where’s la goldie? Which victim of 9/11 whose tragically ended life has he chosen to research and share with us?
***
While many are remembering and mourning those 2,996 today and tomorrow, I am remembering just one person and not in context of 9/11/01.
On September 10, 2002, Lida Roma F. K. died unexpectedly and far too soon. She was my mother. She was a beautiful woman, a wife of 51 years, the mother of 3 and grandmother of 7.
You are loved and you are missed. I nostri cuori rimangono pesare. Prego il nostro Dio, dà la sua benedizione. Nostra Madre, amiamo.
***
Enjoy your sniping and hatred liberals… today (for me) and tomorrow (for us all) are time for neither.
Sorry. I missed a link…
2,996
@108 Daddy Love- anyone who followed the Keating 5 knows that neither McCain nor Glenn had done anything wrong- the Senate Dems kept McCain in the complaints to keep it from being the Democrat-only scandal that it was- and had to keep Glenn in in order to keep McCain in. Cranston was censured. Cranston, Riegle, and DeConcini all refused to face the voters again after their misconduct and retired from the Senate. Both Glenn and McCain were re-elected by their voters. The ethics committee’s special counsel had concluded that of the five, Glenn and McCain were not substantially involved in the influence-peddling scheme.
But Maria’s first great light had helped create the savings and loan crisis… And she has gone on to influence peddling from her bedroom ever since…
And Daddy Love- Dotzauer was not a millionaire when his little hotty bailed him out- he had been repeatedly held in contempt for not making the payments to his ex-wife. With Maria out of office, maybe he just wasn’t doing as well…
Oh, how his tide of fortunes changed when she bought her Senate`seat…
Moonbats and other way out left-leaning librul whack-jobs: Did you see or read Senator Jay Rockefeller? What a liar! Oh yes he’s the “other” senator from West Virginia!
He’s the ranking donko on the Senate Intelligence Committee.
On October 10, 2002, Senator Rockefeller told the Senate that insisting on further intel would put Americans at risk:
“There has been some debate over how ‘imminent’ a threat Iraq poses. I do believe Iraq poses an imminent threat. I also believe after September 11, that question is increasingly outdated. … It is in the nature of these weapons that he has and the way they are targeted against civilian populations, that documented capability and demonstrated intent may be the only warning we get. To insist on further evidence could put some of our fellow Americans at risk. Can we afford to take that chance? I do not think we can.”
Why did he think that? Let’s turn to that Phase II report to see (page 75 forward):
The ability of al-Qa’ida to procure training in chemical and biological weapons (CBW) particularly concerned the Intelligence Community prior to the war. Prewar reporting about training varied in reliability and was often contradictory. Regarding Iraqi provided CB W training to al-Qa’ida, Iraqi Support for Terrorism judged:
Details on training range from good reports from senior al-Qa’ida members to those of second-hand sources of varying reliability, often the result of long and opaque reporting chains or discussions of future intentions rather than evidence of completed training. The general pattern that emerges is of al-Qa’ida’s enduring interest in acquiring
CBW expertise from Iraq.
CIA also stated that:
Some of the most ominous suggestions of possible Iraqi-al-Qa’ida cooperation involve Bin Ladin’s CBW ambitions. Although Iraq historically has guarded closely its strategic weapons information, experts, and resources, Baghdad could have offered training or other support to al-Qa’ida.
The CIA relied heavily on the information obtained from the debriefing of detainee Ibn al-Shaykh al-Lib& a senior al-Qa’ida operational planner, to assess Iraq’s potential CBW training of al-Qa’ida. The January 2003 paper, Iraqi Support for Terrorism, reported that al-Libi told a foreign intelligence service:
Iraq-acting on the request of al-Qa’ida militant Abu Abdullah, who was Muhammad Atif’s emissary-agreed to provide unspecified chemical or biological weapons training for two al-Qa’ida associates beginning in December 2000. The two individuals departed for Iraq but did not return, so al-Libi was not in a position to know if any training had taken place.
The September 2002 version of Iraqi Support for Terrorism stated that al-Libi said Iraq had “provided” unspecified CBW training for two al-Qa’ida associates in 2000, but also stated that al Libi “did not know the results of the training.“ In the June 2002 paper, Iraq and al Qa ‘ida: Interpreting a Murky Relationship, the CIA also stated that al-Libi claimed Iraq had “provided” unspecified CBW training for two al-Qa’ida associates in 2000. That report omitted the qualification that al-Libi did not know the results of the training.
Now he speaks the following lies: “The absolute cynical manipulation, deliberately cynical manipulation, to shape American public opinion and 69 percent of the people, at that time, it worked, they said ‘we want to go to war,'” Rockefeller told CBS News correspondent Sharyl Attkisson. “Including me. The difference is after I began to learn about some of that intelligence I went down to the Senate floor and I said ‘my vote was wrong.'”
Rockefeller went a step further. He says the world would be better off today if the United States had never invaded Iraq — even if it means Saddam Hussein would still be running Iraq.
He said he sees that as a better scenario, and a safer scenario, “because it is called the ‘war on terror.'”
Does Rockefeller stands by his view, even if it means that Saddam Hussein could still be in power if the United States didn’t invade?
“Yes. [Saddam] wasn’t going to attack us. He would’ve been isolated there,” Rockefeller said. “He would have been in control of that country but we wouldn’t have depleted our resources preventing us from prosecuting a war on terror which is what this is all about.”
So another donko sentaor forgetting his past. Oh yes, he’s the “other” senator from West Virginia!
Yes moonbats MWS is a neocon. Now with Saddam gone, we can pressure other whack-job states like Syria and others around Hezbollah support!
@133- Yes, Daddy Love- that is why Maria and Patty went to bat to keep Boeing from being banned from government contracts for ITS violations of the laws. You are so full of bullshit it just can’t help coming out, can it.
In fact, Boeing’s violations were substantially more egregious than Haliburton’s.
Notice that Janet S didn’t deny being Pam Roach?
Commentby RightEqualsStupid— 9/10/06@ 10:04 am
“Do you know why Chelsea Clinton is so ugly? Because Janet Reno is her father.” – John McCain
Commentby Daddy Love— 9/10/06@ 7:39 am
Notice that Janet Reno never denied being Chelsea’s daddy…?
I mourn for the brain of howcanyoubePROUDtobeanEVILfuckingCHRISTIANISTbitch.
Her brain died as the turkey baster entered her…well YOU know.
Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long ons, absent some catastrophic event — like a new Pearl Harbor. Domestic polititics and industrial policy will shape the pace and content of transformation as much as the requirements of current missions.
— Rebuilding America’s Defenses: Strategy, Forces and Resources for a New Century. Project for a New American Century, September 2000
So, 9/11 was such a needed catalyst the neo-cons had yearned for to jumpstart their mad plans. Public breast beating serves only to further that evil aim, not to mourn the deaths of those trapped in the World Trade Center. They were only pawns in the neo-con’s game.
If you believe Richard Armitage, the cowardly lion who used to be a Deputy Secretary of State in this crackerjack administration, “inadvertently” leaked Valerie Plame’s name to columnist Robert Novak you still believe in Saddam having weapons of mass destruction
If you believe Richard Armitage, the cowardly lion who used to be a Deputy Secretary of State in this crackerjack administration, “inadvertently” leaked Valerie Plame’s name to columnist Robert Novak you still believe in Saddam having weapons of mass destruction Commentby My Left Foot— 9/10/06@ 11:35 am
Carl, more facts to hurt your librul mind:
Patrick Fitzgerald (you remember of Goldie’s Merry Fitzmas fame) TOLD Armitage to keep quiet.
All the facts I need to know are in that statement! Goodbye moonbat, you may leave now!
Moonbats why when you are cornered like the democRATS you are want to shut down Disney/ABC?
“We write with serious concerns about the planned upcoming broadcast of The Path to 9/11 mini-series on September 10 and 11. Countless reports from experts on 9/11 who have viewed the program indicate numerous and serious inaccuracies that will undoubtedly serve to misinform the American people about the tragic events surrounding the terrible attacks of that day. Furthermore, the manner in which this program has been developed, funded, and advertised suggests a partisan bent unbecoming of a major company like Disney and a major and well respected news organization like ABC. We therefore urge you to cancel this broadcast to cease Disney’s plans to use it as a teaching tool in schools across America through Scholastic. Presenting such deeply flawed and factually inaccurate misinformation to the American public and to children would be a gross miscarriage of your corporate and civic responsibility to the law, to your shareholders, and to the nation.
The Communications Act of 1934 provides your network with a free broadcast license predicated on the fundamental understanding of your principle obligation to act as a trustee of the public airwaves in serving the public interest. Nowhere is this public interest obligation more apparent than in the duty of broadcasters to serve the civic needs of a democracy by promoting an open and accurate discussion of political ideas and events. …
Should Disney allow this programming to proceed as planned, the factual record, millions of viewers, countless schoolchildren, and the reputation of Disney as a corporation worthy of the trust of the American people and the United States Congress will be deeply damaged. We urge you, after full consideration of the facts, to uphold your responsibilities as a respected member of American society and as a beneficiary of the free use of the public airwaves to cancel this factually inaccurate and deeply misguided program. We look forward to hearing back from you soon.”
Why did your congressional donko friends plan on using the power of the federal government to demand political changes to a program before it airs, which in itself is a dangerous precedent?
When the Reagan “documentary” was being bantied about did congressinal Republicans call for the removal. No!
Did congressional Republicans threaten CBS’ broadcast license? No!
Did congressional Republicans threaten government censorship if they don’t get their own way? No!
Did congressional Republicans whip out lawyers like Clinton has done? No!
Did congressional Republicans Threaten CBS with legislative and regulatory reprisals over content of Reagan Film? No!
Did congressional Republicans threaten the CBS with free speeach writs? No!
So how can Goldie and the Furballettes support this attack on ABC? Only from the mind of a moonbat!
Just asking moonbats: What did Kos or Michael Moore have say this morning? Did you get the latest ingredients for your September 10, 2006 kool-aid?
But whatever Mr. Armitage did, or says he did, in no way alters what Mr. Rove and Mr. Libby did in the days that followed, nor does it change their intentions. It’s a simple concept — two people or more can commit a similar act for entirely different reasons — but evidently it has flummoxed the great minds of contemporary journalism.
— Joe Conason
http://www.prospect.org/weblog....._1360.html
Awww, Poor Mummified Brain Tuttle: In the words of your “black” hero Jesse Hi-Jackson: “Keep Hope Alive” on Karl Rove! Since you and the moonbats here on ASSes multiple Rove attacks of October 2005 and May 2006 fizzled, you keed to “Keep Hope Alive”. Keep on trucking Mummified, you got to keep on trucking (Eddie Kendricks, 1973)
It’s over. Fitzgerald would have indicted them all. Fitzgerald to Armitage to hush about his “leak”. Too bad the formaldehyde is pickling your brain and an ever accelerated rate!
I hit the enter key too fast.
Prospect.Org. Now here is a real librul moonbat web site. Just a step below Kos but it’s moonbatty enough!
Notice the moonbats on the Prospect forget the Senate Report and the Senate Report II have said Joe Wilson said one thing to Congress and another to the NY Times.
How do you know a librul is lying? They run the othe NY Times and write OPed pieces.
Can you say Joe Wilson?
Can you say Paul Krugman?
Can you say Frank Rich?
Can you say Maureen Dowd?
What does Chucky Schumer know and when did he know it?
Erratum: run the othe NY Times … should be run to the NY Times
Herry maybe YouTube is more your speed!
MTR @ 134
“All I’m saying is that Cantwell can’t be trusted any more. She needs to step aside while this whole thing is investigated. Who knows what other sleazy crap she’s mixed up in? ”
Come to think of it. Mike! Mcgavick had a DUI and continues to drink by his own admission. WHO KNOWS how many times has has violated our liquor laws? He should immediately suspend his campaign while we investigate!
Sure, bud. Maria Cantwell violates the letter of a Senate ethics rule (though not its spirit–which is intended to keep Senators wo have benefited financially from ties to lobbyists from doing businesss that in turn benefits the lobbyist) by years-old transaction that was so secret that she declared it on her personal financial disclosure forms every year of her term, and you want us to think that some hughe corruption scandal is brewing. It just isn’t.
You know how ethics rules violations are handled? You should, after Newt Gingrich and Tom Delya were both investigated and penalized. The Ethics Committee wil investigate and, if needed sanction the Member. It’s not external at all; it’s totally a Senate matter.
Step down frm her Senate seat for a triviality such as this? Eevn you can’t gin up a corruption scandal here.
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Halliburton (Kellog, Brown & Root) provided services for hundreds of millions of dollars during the Kosovo Air Campaign, and throughout the Bosnia conflict and occupation. They are still there providing those services. They were a Godsend to those of us in the military who were there. Yes, our Commander in Chief was Clinton and I am very glad that he did not make us go without those life support services.
I liked clean uniforms, toilets, showers and the food was manna from heaven after 3 weeks of eating MRE’s. I wouldn’t have wanted to eat MRE’s for 5 months………….
KBR’s tent upgrades are nice, along with power, lights, and clean water.
Anony Moose
“Dotzauer was not a millionaire when [Maria Cantwell loaned him money]…he had been repeatedly held in contempt for not making the payments to his ex-wife. ”
Really? Do you have hi income tax returns and a list of his assets at the time? Lots of people with money don’t pay their bills–just ask the proprietor of any high-end retail establishment.
“With Maria out of office, maybe he just wasn’t doing as well…”
I guess you wuoldn’t know, would you?
“Oh, how his tide of fortunes changed when she bought her Senate`seat…”
I’m assuming you mean when the people oF Washington elected her to the Seante-you know, when she got more votes than millionaire heir Slade Gorton (who of course never “bought his seat” in your eyes) did.
” KBR’s tent upgrades are nice, along with power, lights, and clean water. ”
And you don’t care what us taxpayers have to pay for these services right?
You righties nuthouse candidates scream for tax cuts like there is no tomorrow, but when someone wants a little accountability, you attack them for being “liberal” or something.
Are you, or are you not in favor of audits of defense contractors?
Hypocrites.
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“(Kellog, Brown & Root) provided services for hundreds of millions of dollars during the Kosovo Air Campaign…our Commander in Chief was Clinton and I am very glad that he did not make us go without those life support services.”
But back then the Halliburton CEO was not the vice-presdent, and the Executive had not set up a phony “Provisional Authority” made up of ideologically selected Heritage Foundation naifs whose job it was to not realize that the GOP sharpies were robbing the US taxpayer blind.
“(Kellog, Brown & Root) provided services for hundreds of millions of dollars during the Kosovo Air Campaign…our Commander in Chief was Clinton and I am very glad that he did not make us go without those life support services.”
Refresh my memory. Was that the war where the Republicans screamed bloody murder while Clinton led and International Effort to stop genocide? Did this action cause America’s standing in the Muslim world to reach an all time high?
Do you thing defending “INNOCENT” Muslims from being slaughtered by heavily armed opponents (Kosovo) is better than slaughtering them (Iraq), when it comes to fighting terror?
Let’s see Halliburton in the Balkans in 1996. “The U.S. Justice Department is investigating Halliburton for possible over billing on government services work done in the Balkans from 1996 through 2000.” Don’t you remember the moonbats bringing up this as ammunition against Cheney when it was later found out he knew nothing about the people doing the work?
Cheney CEO of Halliburton from 1995 till October 1998. Then from Feb 2000 thru July 2000.
I guess another lefty librul lie blown up. Can you say KAAAAA-BLAMMMMMMMMMM!
I know, I know. We didn’t kill all the 100,000 that died in Iraq. We just removed their security, while providing very little security so they could slaugher themselves.
Ever death in Iraq used to be Saddam’s fault. Now it is George Bush, and his supporter’s fault.
This plays real bad to the BILLION muslims that have not decided to attack us yet…..
I know Republicans love seeing the blood of “them” spilled. Well just remember, no matter what the liar in chief, and darth cheney says, there are more, and more of “them” every day.
Do you think we can kill them all?
Are you retarded, or extremely retarded?
HowCan: FactsNeverSupportingHisShittyPosition does change the topic very quickly when his penis is in the pickling jar!
Anony Moose
“Yes, Daddy Love- that is why Maria and Patty went to bat to keep Boeing from being banned from government contracts for ITS violations of the laws./i>”
Well, well, more allegations without support. Who would have thought? Boeing settled with the DOJ, so I wouldn’t imagine it to be a legislative issue at all. But if you have some evidence of unethical or illegal activity on the part of Washington’s Senators, you’re going to have to do a little better than just a snarky comment, son.
So OF COURSE the Senators from a state will go to bat one of for their state’s biggest employers. I would expect no less, and I would expect no less from the Senators from the state that is home to Halliburton.
I would also expect that Senators who care about America to be interested in investigating Halliburton’s fraud, but it seems that neither the GOP Congress or “Yes, sir” Gonzales’ DoJ are.
“You are so full of bullshit it just can’t help coming out, can it.”
OOh, the personal attack. What’s that matter, out of ammunition? Sounds like it.
In fact, Boeing’s violations were substantially more egregious than Haliburton’s. ”
Well, I don’t think htat’s the certainty that you do, and the investigations by the coming Democratic COngress are sure to uncover something interesting there. Boeing was investigated and punished. Let’s do the same with Halliburton.
Oh by the way, how many American Soldiers died in the Kosovo conflict?
Oh, I am sorry that was a war fought for a “noble cause” unlike the current occupation where Bush has never claimed what the “noble cause” was…..
Noble Cause = get reelected as a “war president” (because Republicans love seeing blood, slaughter of civilians, and defenseless conscripted Iraqi soldiers, and torture) and make booku $$$$$ for their friends….
Puddybud
Sure. Cheney never knew about anything, did he? Didn’t know about fraudulent KBR billing in Kosovo. Didn’t know about the asbestos lawsuit when he recommended they buy a company with billions in liabilities. Had to make it up to the company (so they’d let him keep his options) by starting a useless war and letting them skim, skim, skim. The investigations in the coming Democratic Congress should be a great deal of fun. I’m stockign up on popcorn.
“I don’t belong to an organized political party. I’m a Democrat.” – Will Rogers.
Ok, Janet, howcanyoubeproud and others. I really don’t hold out much hope that I can put this Cantwell/Dotzauer thing to rest here, but let me make a try.
Let us, for just a moment, consider some alternatives.
1. Ms. Cantwell is repaid by Mr. Dotzauer immediately before or after becoming a lobbyist.
– The right would have a field day, pointing at the payment and claiming that there was no loan, it was a payoff. They would demand sworn, notorized statements of all the documents surrounding this personal loan between friends. Nothing shorter than an average home loan package with properly recorded liens against real property would serve, and even then some pundits most of the right wing blogs would still claim that it was all a fraud and a coverup for a payoff.
2. Ms. Cantwell simply ignores the loan as an asset, figuring that a personal loan between friends is nobody else’s business.
– She really doesn’t consider it to be an asset, as she’s not really sure when (if ever) Mr. Dotzaur will be able to repay the loan, as he is now a lobbyist, and payments of thousands of dollars from lobbyists to Senators are considered suspect. Maybe once they’re both retired, she’ll bring up the matter, maybe not.
– Still, it really isn’t entirely honest. Along with the ethical concerns, it places her in an uncomfortable position should she and Mr. Dotzauer ever come to a “falling out”, and the loan gets leaked. Some potential for (at least) arm-twisting here.
3. Ms. Cantwell properly discloses the loan, but makes no real effort to get it repaid. She might even have quietly asked Mr. Dotzauer to continue the loan, at no interest, until (once again) they are both retired, avoiding the appearance of a conflict of interest.
– Pretty much what seems to have happend.
I would have a very difficult job getting too worked up about this if it was a Republican Senator. Yes, some of the more vocal among us would probably be making the same sort of noises that I hear from the right, but I doubt that their hearts would really be in it. There’s just not enough here to get excited about.
Lobbyists, when they do their jobs ethically and honorably, use their knowledge of the political system and their relationships with politicians to convince those politicians to vote for or against various things. That is what lobbyists are supposed to do, after all. Some of this is our (Democrats) fault, as we have managed to equate the word “lobbyist” with “evil”. Most lobbyists are simply effective advocates for their employers, ensuring that their employers’ viewpoint is considered. Dear Mr. Abrhamoff has done his profession a great disservice.
Mr. Dotzauer and Ms. Cantwell are friends. Nobody is even trying to deny that. Mr. Dotzauer is a lobbyist, working for several right-wing organizations, and as a freind and advisor to Ms. Cantwell, may well have convinced her to vote for a number of things that, as a Democrat, I’m really not happy with. I have some concern about her choices in friends.
But these are not concerns about her ethics in this situation. I’m concerned that, whether I vote for Ms. Cantwell or Mr. McGavick, I may end up with a Republican in that Senate seat. Some of the more liberal Republicans have voting records that are at least as good (from my perspective) as Ms. Cantwell’s. The only reason I’ll be voting for her is that I think that Mr. McGavick would be much worse.
Oh, and Howcanyoubeproud. My condolences on your loss. My own parents are both gone, and not a day goes by that I do not miss them, nor do I wish to stop missing them. The pain of the loss remains, but I would not trade that pain for any joy. I know that you feel the same way.
Name the topic. State your position, and I will either agree with you, or let you know where you are wrong. Remember my positions are neither “Democrat” or “Republican”, they are only obvious.
Issue by issue, position by position I will provide facts to support each, and every one of my positions.
It is easy…. (Internet)
It has been 2 days and not a single right winger freak has been able to name one single piece of legislation the republicans in congress has passed, and bush signed into law that helped regulare americans, and hurt the super-rich, and large corporations.
(crickets still chirping)
(crickets are even chipring in the daytime now)
(chirp chirp)
God I Love Being On The Side Of Reality!!!!
As far as terrorists are concerned, I do understand they exist. As far as fear is concerned, I am far more afraid of what Bush will do to avoid prosecution than what any “muslims” would do….
Bush never imagined there would be BILLIONS of people like me working to haul him to the Hague for War Crime Trials.
He is lucky there is still a bunch of really blind/stupid/worse
Americans that still support him, along with 99% of the weight of the main stream media.
Bush lied about the Iraq intelligence. If it was Clinton that told the same lies it would be the lead story on every news program intil he was impeached. There is a little perspective for you…..
I challeng you freaks. Name something, or never post on the internet again.
If you can’t defend your position, you shouldn’t be posting….
Anywhere.
You also shouldn’t be voting…..
Better not read this righties….
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09.....r=homepage
Iraq war “RADICALIZING MUSLIMS” just like I have been saying. Every time a news story breaks it always confirms my positions…. I haven’t been wrong for years.
Al Queda was Saddam’s enemy. I said it before the invasion, and friday’s report confirmed what we already knew.
For Bush to say they were “tied” or “working together” has always been a flat out lie.
“I don’t belong to an organized political party. I’m a Democrat.” – Will Rogers.
One more point.
Howcanyoubeproud suggested that we should pay homage to one of the victims of the 9/11 attack. I concur, and would put forward the following individual:
Mohammad Salman Hamdani was a 23 year old New York City police cadet. He was a part-time ambulance driver, incoming medical student, and devout Muslim.
Born in Karachi, Pakistan and moved to America when he was only 13 months old, he was equally proud of his Muslim heritage and American citizenship, Mr. Hamdani was a compassionate, warm-hearted young man whose greatest desire in life was to help others.
When he disappeared on September 11, law enforcement officials came to his family, seeking him for questioning in relation to the terrorist attacks. They allegedly believed he was somehow involved. His whereabouts were undetermined for over six months, until his remains were finally identified.
He was found near the North Tower, with his EMT medical bag beside him, presumably doing everything he could to help those in need. His family could finally rest, knowing that he died the hero they always knew him to be.
Further information about Mr. Hamdani is available at http://usinfo.state.gov/albums/911/ham1.htm
Sources: About.com and usinfo.state.gov
Say what you will, Karl Rove told Matt Cooper about Valerie Plame on the morning of July 11, 2003, three days before Robert Novak’s column appeared in the Washington Post. Rove told Cooper and Scooter Libby told Judith Miller about Plame’s identity. They weren’t confirming things that Cooper and Miller had learned from Armitage. The White House dynamic duo told the reporter.
The veracity of Joseph Wilson’s statement is irrelevant to the treasonous nature of outing an undercover CIA agent. One who was in charge of the operations group in its Joint Task Force on Iraq searching for WMD in Iraq.
Sure. Cheney never knew about anything, did he? Didn’t know about fraudulent KBR billing in Kosovo. Didn’t know about the asbestos lawsuit when he recommended they buy a company with billions in liabilities. Had to make it up to the company (so they’d let him keep his options) by starting a useless war and letting them skim, skim, skim. The investigations in the coming Democratic Congress should be a great deal of fun. I’m stockign up on popcorn. Commentby Daddy Love— 9/10/06@ 1:38 pm
Some mighty words there Big Daddy. Care to prove them with facts? URLs? Internet Postings?
(crickets chirping at a deafening roar)
Friends of the right: The only topic being blogged by the moonbats is Halliburton.
Censureship of ABC by the congressional donkorats – Can’t touch this!
UN and Hilary’s friends the French don’t check incoming ships – Can’t touch this!
Maria Moonbat and her “lobbyist” lover – Can’t touch this.
Sounds like the Donks are singing “It’s Hammer Time”!
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George Bush is a lying sack of shit, says the Senate Intelligence Committee.
You forgot that one, pudfucker.
That’s the one your trying to obfuscate, unsuccessfully, I might add.
Mummified sez: “George Bush is a lying sack of shit, says the Senate Intelligence Committee. You forgot that one, pudfucker.
Commentby Harry Tuttle— 9/10/06@ 2:08 pm
Au Contraire mon ami Mummified – Many of us have spoken to your Senate Report II. We have identified parts overlooked by the MSM moonbats and not read by ASSes Moonbats. What say you to #181 pickled brains breath?
I love how Goldie sends those system busy messages. Did “ye” buy space on Pentium 133?
Somehow pudfucker is not as inventive as Mummified Brain. I guess this demonstrates the lack of mental capacity of the librul lefty moldy mind!
Come on Mummified Moron Moonbat of Miniscule Missives, hit me with your best shot! Fire away!
More information on American Hero and 9/11 casualty, Mohammad Salman Hamdani
I don’t normally go in for simple “cut-and-paste” posts, but this is worded better than I could:
“Mrs. Hamdani says of her son Salman. Star Wars was one of his favorite films, and his license plate read “Yung Jedi.” She remembers when he applied for medical school the first time around and didn’t get accepted. His father told him he might have better luck applying to schools in Pakistan or the Caribbean, but Salman said no. “If I become a physician,” he told his father, “it’s going to be on American soil.” Asked why her son was so adamant about studying in the U.S., Mrs. Hamdani replied, “He was just so proud to be an American.” (Salman Hamdani was subsequently accepted to medical school in the U.S., but died before he could attend.)
Source: usinfo.state.gov
Here are the conclusions of the Senate Intelligence Reports of September 8.
Postwar Findings about Iraq’s WMD Programs and Links to Terrorism and How they Compare with Prewar Assessments
I. Introduction
II. Iraq’s WMD Capabilities
E. Conclusions
Conclusion 1: Postwar findings do not support the 2002 National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) judgment that Iraq was reconstituting its nuclear weapons program. Information obtained after the war support the State Department’s Bureau of Intelligence and Research’s (INR) assessment in the NIE that the Intelligence Community lacked persuasive evidence that Baghdad had launched a coherent effort to reconstitute its nuclear weapons program. The ISG found that, following the Gulf War, aggressive UN inspections forced Saddam Hussein to destroy or surrender Iraq’s nuclear program. The ISG found no evidence that Saddam Hussein attempted to restart the nuclear program, and found that Iraq’s ability to restart the nuclear program progressively decayed after its destruction in 1991.
Conclusion 2: Postwar findings do not support the NIE assessment that Iraq’s acquisition of high-strength aluminum tubes was intended for an Iraqi nuclear program. The findings do support the assessments in the NIE of the INR that the aluminum tubes were likely intended for a conventional rocket program.
III. Iraqi Links to al-Qa’ida
G. Conclusions
Conclusion 1: Postwar findings indicate that the CIA assessment that the relationship between Iraq and al-Qa’ida resembled “two independent actors trying to exploit each other,” accurately characterized bin Ladin’s actions, but not those of Saddam Hussein. Postwar findings indicate that Saddam Hussein was distrustful of al-Qa’ida and viewed Islamic extremists as a threat to his regime, refusing all requests from al-Qa’ida to provide material or operational support.
Conclusion 2: Postwar finding have identified only one meeting between representatives of al-Qa’ida and Saddam Hussein’s regime reported in prewar intelligence assessments. Postwar findings have identified two occasions, not reported prior to the war, in which Saddam Hussein rebuffed meeting requests from an al-Qa’ida operative. The Intelligence Community has not found any other evidence of meetings between al-Qa’ida and Iraq.
IV. Regime Intent
B. Conclusions
Conclusion 1: Postwar findings indicate that analysts misjudged the impact of sanctions and inspections on Saddam’s WMD goals. Analysts accurately assessed that Saddam Hussein wanted WMD, but, in assessing that Iraq had WMD, misjudged Saddam’s ability or desire to pursue such programs while sanctions were in place.
Conclusion 2: Postwar findings support the NIE assessment that Saddam’s goal of making Iraq a predominant regional power and his need to deter neighboring countries, in particular Iran and Israel, were key drivers behind his thinking about WMD. The Iraq Survey Group concluded that Iran was the preeminent motivator of Saddam’s policy because, in his view, it wished to annex southern Iraq. Saddam had concluded that Iraq’s use of chemical weapons during its war with Iran during the 1980s had saved the Iraq regime. His desire to balance Israel and acquire status and influence in the Arab world were considerations as well, but those desires were secondary to his focus on Iran. Iran also affected his attitude toward UN inspections. The UN’s inconclusive assessment about Iraq’s WMD holding and program was useful, in Saddam’s view, in giving pause to Iran by aiding Saddam’s perceived requirement t bluff Iran about Iraq’s WMD capabilities.
The Use by the Intelligence Community of Information Provided by the Iraqi National Congress
V. Conclusions
Conclusion 1: False information from the Iraqi National Congress (INC) affiliated sources was used to support key Intelligence Community assessments on Iraq and was widely distributed in intelligence products prior to the war.
Conclusion 2: The INC attempted to influence US policy on Iraq by providing false information through defectors directed at convincing the US that Iraq possessed WMD and had links to terrorists.
Conclusion 3: The Intelligence Community’s use in intelligence assessments of information provided by INC affiliated defector [redacted] Source Two was a serious error. The use of the Source Two information came after thre Intelligence Community assessments raised questions about his reliability as a source and the DIA issued a fabrication notice.
[Conclusion 4 has been redacted]
Conclusion 5: The July 2002 decision by the National Security Council Deputies Committee directing the renewed funding of the INC Intelligence Collection Program under DIA management was ill-advised given the counterintelligence concerns of the CIA and warnings of financial mismanagement from the Department of State. At the time it assumed responsibility for funding and managing the INC’s collection effort in October 2002, the DIA cautioned that the INC was penetrated by hostile intelligence services and would use the relationship to promote its own agenda.
[Conclusion 6 has been redacted]
Conclusion 7: The DIA and the CIA were inconsistent in identifying their reporting from INC affiliated defectors and INC members as opposition-affiliate reporting.
Conclusion 8: There is insufficient information to determine whether CURVEBALL…provided his information at the behest of INC.
Now, if you are a drooling wingnut, you will need to ignore the fact that Ahmed Chalabi and the INC had great friends in Republican neo-con circles in Pentagon advisor Richard Pearle and Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowits. The fact that INC was still getting $300,000 a month from the US at the time his blabbing to Iran was revealed shows just how cozy that relationship was.
I’ve seen nothing posted here by the righties that in any way weakens the findings of the Senate report. Just worn out old talking points.
(crickets chirping)
Did you read those yourself Garry Guttle or did you cut and paste from TPM or Kos or another whack-job lefty site?
I actually typed those from the reports, suckie.
please forgive my typos
Night sounds continue, briefly interrupted by a howling hyena.
Valerie Plame was NOT an “undercover” CIA agent. She was the wife of Amb Joe Wilson, they were on the cover of Vanity Fair, he introduced her at many “In” parties in Washington DC as his “CIA wife.”
You can’t have your cake and eat it too, if she had been “undercover,” those who outed her would be up on charges, but they didn’t break the law. It isn’t against the law to “out” CIA agents, it is only against the law, if they are covert.
Valerie Plame should have been fired for arranging for special favors for her husband. Her husband should have never been on the mission in the first place.
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I don’t have a problem with auditing Defense Contractors, as long as the standards for the documentation is in the contract and everyone knows the standard – up front.
Halliburton’e KBR has been providing the military with life support services for almost 15 years, you don’t get to suddenly claim they are corrupt…… because George W. Bush is the President.
If they are corrupt, you can believe they were under Clinton too!
SgmMac: Andrea Mitchell.
“Do we have any idea how widely known it was in Washington that Joe Wilson’s wife worked for the CIA?” she was asked by host Alan Murray in an Oct. 3, 2003 interview on CNBC’s “Captial Report.”
Mitchell replied: “It was widely known among those of us who cover the intelligence community and who were actively engaged in trying to track down who among the foreign service community was the envoy to Niger. So a number of us began to pick up on that.”
Then when the donk called her on the carpet for letting the cat out fo the bag: “Senior NBC correspondent Andrea Mitchell said Wednesday morning that she “messed up” when she told an interviewer in 2003 that Valerie Plame’s CIA identity was “widely known.”
But despite the startling comment, Mitchell said she still hasn’t been contacted by Leakgate Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald.”
Of course all this was missed by the moonbat gang here called Goldie’s NorthWest Division of Lunatic Moonbats!
SgmMac: Why not investigate the Shaw Group too? They are a donk funding house for donk candidates. Looks like they received no bid contracts for Katrina work and nary a peep from the moonbats.
Hey Moonbats even Pelletizer (he’s in Lost Wages right now) adknowledged the Shaw Group as a donk candidate funding house so the standard moonbat outrage can be stifled for now.
Oh, Daddy Love- just pay attention to current events and you’d have enough of an awareness to take a “snarky comment” as a memory jog. How many different investigations of Boeing did we have going? What special efforts were made by Washington’s senators and the Congressman from Boeing? Why doesn’t Maria crow about standing up to McCain as well as Stevens? Maybe because sh’e have to remind people that she was helping Boeing keep its ill-gotten gains? Hypocrisy runs rampant among you lefties…
#195 ” If they are corrupt, you can believe they were under Clinton too! ”
Agreed.
At least under Clinton they were being investigated….
It has been 2 days and not a single right winger freak has been able to name one single piece of legislation the republicans in congress has passed, and bush signed into law that helped regular americans, and hurt the super-rich, and large corporations.
(crickets still chirping)
C’mon, if I am so wrong, what has Bush and the GOP done that has been good for me? Name one thing. I dare you.
194.
That would be news to Christopher Wolf, the Wilson’s next door neighbor in Georgetown, who wrote the following editorial two years ago.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/o.....hbor_x.htm
When I first met Joe and Valerie, I quickly got to the classic Washington question: What do you do? …
Valerie’s answer was more than a little vague. She quickly said she was a consultant. As a fourth-generation Washingtonian, I have learned that when someone says, “I’m a consultant,” that is a cue to back off, as it usually means the person is unemployed or “between engagements.”
So, from 1998 to July 14, 2003, we were simply neighbors sharing cookouts, borrowing missing ingredients for a recipe from each other…
Wingnuts can, and do, make up the most outrageous stories concerning those who see the world differently than they do, but their delusions ain’t necessarily so.
Good to see that you are all back on the “she wasn’t all that” blather, and off the “we’ve been cleared” gambit.
“The Path to 9/11″………..Democrats: traitors and cowards!!!!
Anony Moose
“Oh, Daddy Love- just pay attention to current events and you’d have enough of an awareness to take a “snarky comment” as a memory jog.”
Oh, if only we caould all be as smart and informed as you. Yeah, screw you and your condescension. Support what you assert, or it’s just your own stupid opinion. If you want to bark with the big dogs, that is.
“How many different investigations of Boeing did we have going?”
Gee, I don’t know. That’s up to you to tell us, and offer some supporting evidence. Maybe it’s zero and you’re just lying.
“What special efforts were made by Washington’s senators and the Congressman from Boeing?”
Again, I don’t know. Why don’t you tell us and link to, say, news reports of credible insiders (Op-Eds fromn Townhall.com really don’t count) that will back up your statemetns?
“Why doesn’t Maria crow about standing up to McCain as well as Stevens?”
Blather, rinse, repeat. You seem to “know” the answer, or do you?
“Maybe because sh’e have to remind people that she was helping Boeing keep its ill-gotten gains?
I wouldn’t know. Can you read her mind? I don’t even know this pont that she is or isn’t “crowing about standing up to McCain,” let alone why she is or isn’t doing what she might or might not be doing.
“Hypocrisy runs rampant among you lefties… ”
And a tendency to be intellectually, shall we say, sloppy seems to have infected you, and I wouldn’t be surprused if a steady diet of right-wing op-ed and Faux News is one of the chief causes. You see, facts have a well-known liberal bias. I’m not terribly surprised you steer clear of them.
Commentby Anony Moose
Puddybud
Re: support
“Sure. Cheney never knew about anything, did he? Didn’t know about fraudulent KBR billing in Kosovo.”
Gosh, Puddy, you just said this. I trust you.
“Didn’t know about the asbestos lawsuit when he recommended they buy a company with billions in liabilities.”
This was pretty well reported, and Cheney may or may now havge known, but if he did then the acquisition was a stupid-ass move that drove Halliburton stock from $50 to $18.
“Had to make it up to the company (so they’d let him keep his options) by starting a useless war and letting them skim, skim, skim.
This is my opinion. I don’t know how I’d support the uselessness of the war, other than to nore that Saddam had no WMD and we knew it either certainly or nearly so before going in, which is why they didn’t want the UYN inspections to end, and that we knew that Saddam had no ties to al-Qaeda, which is now supported by the Senate report, and that we knew (contrary to the president’s claims) that Saddam had no UAVs that could threaten either their neghbors or us, had no mobile chemical weapons plants, had no biological weapons programs, and so on, and that now we’re bogging down the world’s finest military sitting on a sectarian powder keg that is both blowing up in our faces and destabilizing the region. A contained Saddam would be better for US interests than this. As for them skimming, billions of dollars has gone missing in Iraq, and Halliburton is alleged by insiders to have overcharged and underserved. As I said the investigations in the coming Democratic Congress should be fill in the blanks for us and be a great deal of fun.
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