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Be there or be thirsty. (I’ll be there.)
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Drink heavily and designate a driver!
How many New Orleansd blacks will be drinking with you “progressives”? Will “Tookie” be there [in spirit]?? Should your daughter be in an urban public school so she can get “diversity” from future Democrat “Tookies”??
I hate it when irony and hypocrisy meet.
Won’t be there, as I have absolutely sick Sonics tickets.
I hate it when irony and hypocrisy meet.
I am fairly confident they have never met. Ironic folks seek to expose hypocrisy (it’s part of the gig), and hypocrites don’t know what irony is.
Roger Rabbit seldom attends DL, and when he does, never sees prr or prr’s lawyer there.
Have a sip on ole RR while his pension is still being paid. Check out the Seattle Times article on it’s 4.9 billion deficit future:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.c.....on13m.html
Goldy—
I hope you keep drinking until your VICTIMIZATION attitude goes away permanently! Son-of-a-BEEACH it gets old. Maybe one last purging about how you were personally victimized by the Holocaust while living in prime Philadelphia real estate. Get it all out, get drunk as a skunk, kill off those “I’m a VICTIM” brain cells and turn over a new leaf starting about noon tomorrow (when most LEFTIST PINHEADS wake up!)
Perhaps you CLOWNS call all share your New Year’s Resolutions???
Clueless will undoubtedly desire to remain clueless.
Some of you other CLOWNS may resolve to come out of the closet in every which way….Christian-haters, learn the difference between an ENTRANCE orafice and an EXIT orafice etc. etc.
I’d be there but I am going to a leftist, commie, Christian-haters association meeting where we will be chanting Happy Holidays as loudly as we can just to piss off all the right wing, chickenhawk theocrats!
left turn
What holidays? I only know of Christmas and Hannaukah.
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I’m not worried, because Rossi lost. We have a governor committed to using the budget surplus to shore up pension funding, instead of giving tax breaks to high income taxpayers.
Anyway, as previously noted, the problem is in PERS 2 and 3, which doesn’t affect Roger Rabbit. PERS 1 is fully funded.
Goldie, thought you might want to see these posts, as a topic of discussion for Drinking Liberally tonight. Discuss, Enjoy!
Hi Folks!
Once again, you die hard repulicans are bashing only part of the people responsible for the ‘shared-gain pension’ snafu.
a little research by Stefan (and an honest attempt at the truth and non-partisanship) would have provided the following info:
DINO ROSSI VOTED TO APPROVE THIS PLAN! The link below is from the state senate archives, and shows that a 48-0 vote in the senate.
http://www.leg.wa.gov/pub/bill.....llcall.txt
So, let’s hear the same diatribes against saint dino. Not on this board!
Posted by rossi too at December 13, 2005 02:41 PM
Stefan posts: “Some astonishingly stupid decisions by the Washington Legislature in 1998 have left a $4.9 billion deficit in the state public pension system.”
wha?? Is Stefan saying that Dino Rossi makes astonishingly stupid decisions?
Why, yes, yes he is!
Posted by rossi too at December 13, 2005 02:46 PM
The only way to “save” those pension plans that are in trouble is to convert them to defined contribtuion plans with whatever the vested balance is right now, if possible. At least with a defined contribution plan, the workers will have an owneship stake and possible something they can reoo-over to an IRA later. Defined benefit plans are going the way of tail fins on cars. Defined contribution is better than having a “promise” from government.
roger and deniers…
Wasn’t last governor also a Dem….how come you all underfunded the pensions?
I expect to hit DL tonight, but only after attending my nephew’s middle school Winter Concert, where he’ll be featured as half of an oboe duet. If the standing O goes too long, I might decide that it’s too late to drop by at Montlake.
I’m taking a break from DL for the rest of the year – family, work, holidays, whatnot. Best!
C ya’ll next year!
4: Ironically enough, I agree. Makes me a hypocrite, eh?
You wont find this on The Daily Kos.
FBI Probes Democrat Vote Fraud in W.Va.
http://www.newsmax.com/archive.....0746.shtml
jaybo@17
Rebubs do it
Dems do it
Only those ironic, hypocrites pretend their side doesn’t do it.
Pfffffffft.
this years winner of the darwin awards……….not a surprise they are from washington state. enjoy…they didn’t….poor guys. see how dangerous it is to combine alcohol and a low IQ. all of you remember this at drinking liberally tonight……..
Now, THIS YEAR’S WINNER:
>
> (The late) John Pernicky and his friend, (the late) Sal
Hawkins,
>of the great state of Washington, decided to attend a local Metallica
>concert at the George Washington amphitheater. Having no tickets (but
>having had 18 beers between them), they thought it would be easy to
“hop”
>over the nine foot fence and sneak into the show. They pulled their
pickup
>truck over to the fence and the plan was for Mr. Pernicky, who was 100
>pounds heavier than Mr. Hawkins, to hop the fence and then assist his
>friend over.
>
>
>
> Unfortunately for (the late) Mr. Pernicky, there was a
30-foot
>drop on the other side of the fence. Having heaved himself over, he
found
>himself crashing through a tree. His fall was abruptly halted (and
broken,
>along with his arm) by a large branch that snagged him by his shorts.
>Dangling from the tree with a broken arm, he looked down and saw some
>bushes below him. Possibly figuring the bushes would break his fall,
he
>removed his pocket knife and proceeded to cut away his shorts to free
>himself from the tree. Finally free, Mr. Pernicky crashed into holly
>bushes. The sharp leaves scratched his ENTIRE body and now, without
the
>protection of his shorts, a holly branch penetrated his rectum. To
make
>matters worse, upon landing his pocket knife penetrated his thigh.
>
>
>
> Hawkins, seeing his friend in considerable pain and agony,
threw
>him a rope and tried to pull him to safety by tying the rope to the
pickup
>truck and slowly driving away. However, in his drunken haste, he put
the
>truck into reverse and crashed through the fence landing on his friend
and
>killing him.
>
>
>
> Police arrived to find the crashed pickup with its driver
thrown
>100 feet from the truck and dead at the scene from massive internal
>injuries. Upon moving the truck, they found John under it half-naked,
>scratches on his body, a holly stick in his rectum, a knife in his
thigh,
>and his shorts dangling from a tree branch 25 feet in the air.
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Congratulations, gentlemen. You win.
Nin sez:
“I expect to hit DL tonight, but only after attending my nephew’s middle school Winter Concert, where he’ll be featured as half of an oboe duet. If the standing O goes too long, I might decide that it’s too late to drop by at Montlake.
Comment by N in Seattle—”
You are either one sick bastard….or a great Uncle!
Perhaps you ought to go drinking BEFORE the concert!
clueless sez:
“I’m taking a break from DL for the rest of the year – family, work, holidays, WHATNOT. Best!
C ya’ll next year!
Comment by For the Clueless— 12/13/05 @ 3:05 pm
WHATNOT means jerking off to this month’s National Geographic!
christmasghost@19
That is hysterical!!
Typical of those DO-GOODER LEFTIST PINHEADED CLOWNS.
They mean well….but everytime they try to actually do something besides talk, they F*CK IT UP ROYALLY!!!
These CLOWNS have the NEGATIVE MIDAS TOUCH!
Know what that is, don’t you??
CLOWNS can take a 200 lb. bar of PURE GOLD and turn it into a wretched, smelly pile of steaming sh*t with their mere GOOD INTENTIONS!
Shouldn’t the Democrat Jewish lawyers sue “Big Alcohol” for all the damage liquor, beer, and wine has caused? You know, like all the tobacco lawsuits. Where is the Democrat law firm of Goldbergstein, Loeb, Weiner, and Swaartz? Should you libs be drinking when Democrat blacks in New Orleans have nothing? How are the Democrats going to pay for the buses to return homeless black Democrats to New Orleans to vote? Finally, who is going to get stuck with the bar tab because all Democrats are “victims” and someone else must pay?
cynical…i thought you would enjoy it. i notice a strange silence coming from some on here wondering if i could be right and maybe their IQ’s aren’t quite up to snuff for tonight’s “fun”……..
heh heh heh……….
i think it’s that whole “holly up the ass” part….merry christmas you scrooges…….. ;)
Hey Wabbit – Didja notice gas prices are WAAAAAAAAY down? Remember back coupla months ago that December unleaded futures were about $1.96? Remember that? Today I paid $2.05. And since the futures price is wholesale, that works about about right.
So while you delerious moonbats were out there calling for rationing and price controls and outlawing SUVs and paid rigodamdiculous prices for those foolish hybrids our old friend the invisible hand was out there doing his thing. Hell, before Senator Windfall could even orchestrate a grandstanding exercise to showcase her ignorance of free markets, the invisible hand had it handled. Ain’t free markets great?
Or do you delerious moonbats think I’m wrong? If so, “educate” me. I can’t wait…
I’m wondering what’s the party affiliation of the office manager, whatsisname, on NBC’s “The Office”. That guy is painful! He’s such an asshole, I’ll bet he’s freakin’ republican.
Oooo!! I’m a deleeereeeous moooonbat! Oooo!!
!!..BOO..!!
“Education is the sleeping pill that makes dreams happen” –Peggy Hill
Wells sez:
“Oooo!! I’m a deleeereeeous moooonbat! Oooo!!”
Ummmmmm….it’s been painfully apparent from the day that seagull sh*t on the sidewalk and you hatched out.
Thank you wells…..it’s occassionally helpful for you to state the obvious….and PROVE IT at the same time!
Mr Cynical, you need medication. Usually, I recommend counselling for the mentally disturbed, but in Mr Cynical’s case, medication would be better treatment for his irrational anti-social behavior. Get help, Mr Cynical, before you become a statistic on a police chart. And don’t go to church people for help. Those people are evil.
RR, That’s exactly what the United Airlines retiree’s thought about their Defined Pension benefits just before the hammer came down on them. Never feel too secure in your gov pension!..
GS – You’re wrong. Gummint pensions are garnteed by the “full faith and credit” of taxpayers. That means that no matter what happens, us “rich guys” are gonna get stuck with the bill. Funny though, I don’t remember promising this. I must have been at WORK that day earning the money that they’re so greedy about. Must be nice to be gummint employee and have everything garnteed by The Producers.
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Happy Holidays, Bozo!
Mark, The Answer: Return ALL “guvment” employees to the Social Security System. Fuck them like they fuck those in the private sector. [I can hear the Democrat “guvment” hacks bitching all the way across the Pacific!!!!!!!!!]
26 – Redneck, I no longer believe in peak oil scenarios – there’s plenty of oil and a fair amount of natural gas however there’s rising demand and it’s likely to keep oil prices above $50 a barrel.
Higher oil prices are good – I’ve been in favor of higher taxes on oil to incentivize cleaner alternatives forever – so China and India are forcing what the politicians were too chicken or paid off to do.
Now it’s up to people to make the right choices and for the sake of the planet they’d better choose non-carbon based alternatives – yeah like nuclear power (just kidding).
6 (continued)
Pension mismanagement seems to be a purely GOP phenomenon, and Republicans aren’t running our state pension system, thank God.
Pension mismanagement sure as hell isn’t an act of God or nature, and it didn’t happen while Democrats were guarding the chicken coop.
6 (continued)
On Reagan’s watch, S & Ls were looted to the tune of $500 billion; with wingers in power again, this time they’re going after pension funds and the Social Security trust fund. You gotta admire (in a manner of speaking) the Republican crooks for thinking big.
12
“Stefan posts: ‘Some astonishingly stupid decisions by the Washington Legislature in 1998 have left a $4.9 billion deficit in the state public pension system.'”
Hmmm. The state pension systems lost about 7% of asset value in the 2000-2004 market downturn; I wonder if Stefan did as well in his personal investments.
14
“Wasn’t last governor also a Dem….how come you all underfunded the pensions?”
Because the national recession caused a drop in state revenues, and the Republicans controlling the state senate opposed any tax increases to adequately fund pensions and state services.
I’m not saying the Dems should have raised taxes, righton. In fact, I’m thankful they didn’t. But you get what you pay for, and if we taxpayers don’t want to pay for adequate pension funding when the economy is down, then obviously we have to play catch-up after the economy improves.
State employees also went without pay raises during those years.
20
Scratch 2 eastern Washington redneck Republicans! I feel for their families, but … the gene pool is improved by their absence.
Speaking of Darwin awards, I kind of enjoyed (in a manner of speaking) reading about the yahoo who jumped head-first off a 70-foot high railroad trestle on a 90-foot-long bungee cord.
20 (continued)
Well, that’s 2 fewer votes for Rossi in 2008.
26
“Hey Wabbit – Didja notice gas prices are WAAAAAAAAY down?”
Nope, I haven’t. I have two powerful hind feet to get around on; why would I need to buy gas?
26 (continued)
Gas was a buck when Bush took office, and Le Redneck is bragging because now it’s only $2.05??? Whatever.
32
“GS – You’re wrong. Gummint pensions are garnteed by the ‘full faith and credit’ of taxpayers. That means that no matter what happens, us ‘rich guys’ are gonna get stuck with the bill.”
That’s riiiiiiight … if the state doesn’t pay, I’ll tow away your SUV! And you think I was dumb to work for the gummint … ???
22
Merry Christmas, you old fart. http://www.acclaimimages.com/_.....-5258.html
34
Seriously, do you think the supply of oil is endless?
Half of world production comes from a half-dozen supergiant oilfields, all of which have been in production for 50 to 75 years. The last supergiant was discovered in 1972, and most petroleum geologists believe there are none left to be found. It is well established that Hubbert’s Curve accurately describes the production life cycle of individual oilfields; why wouldn’t the same logic apply to the planetary supply?
roger you are full of crap on the S&L…
Mostly Dems that allowed the S&L’s to unlink safe deposits from safe loans. I think DeConcini (dem) plus his kin were deep in dog doo doo for letting it happen
right?
What’s wrong with nuclear power?
Mr. Cynical — You need to be *more* cynical to keep that nom de plume.
@48…
Nothing! Dems should stand up and support nuclear power. It’s preferable on all fronts.
So Wabbit, you agree with me that all the delerious moonbat talk about rationing and price controls and outlawing SUVs was stoopid. And you agree that Senatator Windfall displayed an amazing level of ignorance? And you agree that free markets are always always always better than moonbat meddling. Right?
What is so “wrong” about nuke power? Done right, it’s by far the most efficient method of producing power.
Now remember who yer talkin to here… if ya give me the Jane Fonda version, I’m gonna shove it up yer ass. So be real sure what yer sayin….
@53, MTR
I don’t know anything about you, but I guarantee you I fight like hell and I will use anything that I lay my hands on to knock you out, to include cast iron skillets, and I’m sure you know what they are…………
IRAQI BORDER GUARDS SEIZE FORGED BALLOTS // Iraqi border police seized tanker truck Tuesday night that had just crossed from Iran filled with thousands of forged ballots…{Democrat Howard Dean and Teddy Kennedy show the Iraqis how it’s done!!!!]
Clueless @35
Now it’s up to people to make the right choices and for the sake of the planet they’d better choose non-carbon based alternatives – yeah like nuclear power (just kidding).
Why are you just kidding? As the leading producer of nuclear resources, surely we can harness the vast potential for our own needs.
Geez sgmmac – what did I say? I thought you moonbats hated violence cause it doesn’t solve anything? What gives?
Use yer cast iron skillet. Do you know what a “JHP” is? Dat what I use…
Hey – Did you moonbats hear they had elections in Iraq today? How bout that. Democracy taking hold inna middle east instead of the whole region run by asshole dictators. Looks like President Bush’s plan is working out pretty much like he planned.
Now isn’t this fundamental change in approach and policy light years better than the stoopid “Peace Accords” that Nobel Prize winning Worst President of The Twentieth Century did?
Hey moonbats – Tell me, does is suck to be wrong about everything? And is it even worse when somebody like me throws it in yer face?
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True because as long as the super giants keep producing (through enhanced recovery) the oil companies don’t bother to drill. There’s a lot of the Middle East especially in Saudi Arabia that hasn’t been drilled. Case in point, Iran just found another 100 billion barrel field.
The United States on the other hand is the most drilled petroleum basin on the planet. I don’t think Saudi Arabia comes close to the U.S. in terms of holes drilled.
Production has generally kept pace with demand and in the last few years has soared. Field reserves have a tendency to be conservatively estimated and are mostly revised upward.
Michael C. Lynch is the analyst to read on oil supply. He pretty much debunks the peak oilers like Campbell, Simmons, Laherrere. He’s convinced me.
Oil shortage is more a political and economic problem than anything else. The greater threat to me is climate change and America losing its economic competitiveness in the world so we can no longer afford importing oil or afford developing the alternatives. American should be leading the world in developing and exploiting the alternatives. The result would be a cleaner richer and more livable planet. The remaining oil, gas and coal should stay in the ground.
Re nuclear power: I don’t like it for two reasons. 1) it costs too much and 2) it’s too dangerous but not for the reasons most people think.
1) Nuclear power plants are enormously expensive. Billions of dollars have to be put at risk before the first watt flows through the wires. As a result nuclear power is heavily subsidized by all the nations that have adopted it. Nuclear power wouldn’t have gone anywhere in the U.S. without massive subsidy and it died here not because of TMI but because after 100 or so plants the taxpayer just stopped writing checks.
2) Most of the cost of nuclear power is just protecting the biosphere from the nuclear pile but if nuclear power was really adopted in the way nuclear engineers want through breeder reactors and waste re-processing – you have a huge nuclear weapons proliferation threat. Ever wonder why Warren Buffet the insurance man is so worried about nuclear proliferation?
NO THANKS! NO NUKES!
57 – Redneck, pull your head out of your ass. You’re the one who lost a bet remember? Did you drink Sharkansky’s kool-aid on the election contest? Who turned out to be right there?
It’s great that the Iraqis are taking things into their own hands now! We can pull our soldiers out of the meat-grinder now right? We can stop making “collateral damage”. Let the Iraqis sort it out for themselves? They can handle it can’t they?
Yes, Bush can declare victory and bring the soldiers home just in time to make hay for 2006.
“Gummint pensions are garnteed by the ‘full faith and credit’ of taxpayers. That means that no matter what happens, us ‘rich guys’ are gonna get stuck with the bill.”
That’s riiiiiiight … if the state doesn’t pay, I’ll tow away your SUV! And you think I was dumb to work for the gummint”
I bettr get me a job wit da gummint, I gots two teethe a missin, but i cen spit alder wy axross da rome. cin ya get me a 10k raise too?
I heer tell the fait of citicens in da gummint is fadin a bit in dees heer otter en o da state places.
Marks @ 54
Yes, we’ll see a few more new nukes by 2015 or so pumping a lot more Gigawatts. I think Duke Energy has just about committed
@55, MTR
I asked what’s wrong with nuclear power and you said:
“Now remember who yer talkin to here… if ya give me the Jane Fonda version, I’m gonna shove it up yer ass. So be real sure what yer sayin…. ”
So, I replied that I fight back!
I’m not a moonbat, but I do live in a moonbat county (Thurston.)
I also live in a damn Nanny state! The things I have to put up with to live with trees………..
JFC sgmmac! – ya sure twisted up the thread. I the Redneck one aksed what wrong wif nuke power. And of course the answer is that nothing is wrong with it unless you drank the kook kool aid. I can’t tell…. are you agreeing with me that nuke power is a good answer?
Mrs. sgmmac – can you check his meds before he replies again?
Here’s the deal: Nuke power engineered correctly, and without interference from moonbat politicians and activists is a safe and cost effective way to generate shitloads of power cheaply. This is NOT an area where Senator Dimbulb or Senator Windfall needs to stick their noses in… this is a complex engineering problem that they are woefully ill equipped to deal with. The kook activists of the 70s had a real effective strategy of fucking up nuke plant projects. What they did, was wait for projects to get a few billion dollars into design and construction and then change the rules. That’s what happened to WPPSS. They had the plants half built, and then they had to go in and rip stuff out and do it again because the design standards changed. Of course, none of it had any real effect on safety, but it made it look like the politicians were “doing something” and in the process it killed the whole thing. Free from kook moonbat interference, and left to the engineers, we can build nuke plants that are safe.
On the safety side, TMI was a nothing event as Nobel Prize winning Worst President of The United States assured us. As a USN nuke engineer, this was one of the few areas he actually understood. For those of you who don’t know either because you’re too fucking stupid or don’t care… Chernobyl happened because the Russians were running an unauthorized and obviously stupid test where they turned off ALL the safety systems on purpose. Duh…
It’s not New-clee-er, numbnuts. It’s New-kew-ler. And when the nukular good stuff is all used up, the waste is good for people killing, especially them Middle Easterner folks that don’t like the American way of life. They hates us and they don’t love Jezus, so they’re goin’ to hell anyways. They’re in the way of us gettin’ our oil, so screw ’em, as the ol’ Texas sayin’ goes.
Socialist France loves nuclear power, so why don’t the socialist Democrats??
Betty Dawisha rocks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
MTR, You must be drinking very liberally – at home and it’s probably too much for you.
My post at 48 is : What’s wrong with nuclear power?
Comment by sgmmac— 12/13/05 @ 6:33 pm
I was directing it at Roger and For the Clueless.
Your post at 52 is: What is so “wrong” about nuke power? Done right, it’s by far the most efficient method of producing power.
Now remember who yer talkin to here… if ya give me the Jane Fonda version, I’m gonna shove it up yer ass. So be real sure what yer sayin….
Comment by Mark The Redneck— 12/13/05 @ 6:53 pm
Now, your post is 20 minutes after mine, so I assumed you were threating to do me harm….. There isn’t any Mrs sgmmac. I am female. I am clueless as to what a “JHP” is, but I’m not too worried about it, because I got something for any man who thinks he’s going to hurt me.
Nuke power engineered correctly, and without interference from moonbat politicians and activists is a safe and cost effective way to generate shitloads of power cheaply.
Terrific O all knowing Redneck! Then the nuclear industry can finance all the costs of new plants themselves including insurance and waste management without a frickin’ DIME of taxpayer subsidy like the 13 BILLION earmarked for the nuke industry in the last Energy Bill.
Remember Papa Reagan? He did all kinds of things for the nuke industry and it didn’t generate one order because his old rival Gerald Ford started asking industries to think about producing the same amount of output only using less energy otherwise known as efficiency (most people call it conservation). Conservation used to be a Republican value!
MTR
Yes, I support nuclear power. When I was a teenage hippie, I told my Dad I was going to a protest against nuclear power.
He had fit! It was well justified considering the fact that he worked at the Nevada Test Site with nuclear weapons. I lived and worked right beside a nuclear power plant in Germany for three years. As for the rules changing, I think that the US is lawsuit crazy, and it is troubling that public projects can get put off indefinitely and end up costing millions and billions more because of rabid citizen groups.
My Dad also doesn’t like me talking about Karen Silkwood……
I’ll say it again with a REAL BIG BIG DUUUUUUHHHHH
Gain-sharing “seemed like a good idea at the time. For some reason, we did not understand it was going to cost us,” said House Appropriations Chairwoman Helen Sommers, D-Seattle.
Duhhhhhh
Duhhhhhh
Who are we paying that the did not understand that gain sharing would not cost them.
Well I have two answers to this problem:
1. How about a loss sharing, meaning if it ain’t there don’t spend it, and decrease the Defined benefits.
2. How about canning the Defined Benefit all together. Freeze it and bring it in line with the benefit trends which are widely spread across this nation.
I heard that 5 democrats drowned when there pick up truck left I-5 and went into the water. Washinton state patrol says the deaths were caused when the democrates could not get the tail gate to open.
way back when, concerning my intention to observe my nephew’s concert performance, Cynical said:
You are either one sick bastard….or a great Uncle!
Perhaps you ought to go drinking BEFORE the concert!
Who would go drinking before the concert, Cynical, the sick bastard or the great uncle?
I, unlike you, happen to be the latter.
49
“What’s wrong with nuclear power?”
1. Radioactive waste
2. The nuclear industry’s poor track record on safety
3. $500 million liability cap on nuclear accidents
This last one is a deal killer. It shifts the financial risk of a nuclear accident to surrounding property owners who have no say in plant operation. If you want to put my home at risk, then I get to run the plant. No liability, no insurance = no plant!
51
Thomas, I’ll support nuclear power if you’ll let me drive your car with no insurance. See #76 above.
Roger,
Can’t the insurance be raised? Is that insurance limit in the new energy bill and does it apply to the new plants that they are going to build? They are building a new nuclear waste plant in Nevada under a mountain.
52
No, I won’t say scarce resources should always go to the highest bidder, or that government should never resort to rationing and price controls. During World War 2, gasoline, tires, and other strategic commodities were rationed because they needed to be redirected from civilian markets into the war effort; and the federal government controlled both wages and prices in order to prevent the explosive inflation that would have resulted from all the war production wages sloshing around in an economy that had few consumer goods available because the military was soaking up the nation’s productive output. Would a free market have worked better then? I doubt it. The nation was fighting a war of national survival, and the government needed to have extraordinary control over its resources, including labor and materiel.
78
Instead of capping nuclear operators’ liability, Congress should make them carry a substantial amount of insurance. Locating nuclear plants away from population centers would help keep down liability exposure and insurance costs.
57
I’ll see your JHP and raise you to shot-impregnated teflon (e.g., Glaser).
60
While I agree with much of what you say, the supply is not limitless, and consumption is growing exponentially.
60 (continued)
Of greater concern, National Geographic quoted one scientist as saying, “we’ll run out of atmosphere before we run out of fossil fuels.”
77
Last nuclear accident in the US that caused harm? A full list, por favor.
84
The cleanup cost alone at Three Mile Island was $975 million in 1979 dollars.
Like I said, Thomas, no liability = no plant. No business that wants me to bear the financial risk of an accident at their plant will ever be welcome in my neighborhood.
Thomas, this issue isn’t hard at all. Instead of trying to disguise the true cost of nuclear power by dumping the insurance risks and costs on the plant’s neighbors, these costs should be paid by the plant operator and borne by the consumers of the plant’s power. Liability insurance is a cost of doing business that should be borne by the business and its customers.
I reiterate: No liability, no plant. This is non-negotiable.
So I guess all you fringies, fruitcakes and WA Dem party apologizers and excusers have some apologies to make…. I believe you’ll find paragraphs 3 through 5 most pertinant and hopefully most humbling.
Right.
We won’t wait.
Dear WA State GOP, Please save the above referenced article and any original images you have regarding the hate perpetrated against the Christians of our once fine state to expose the vicious, hateful democrats in any/all upcoming election campaigns.
I might add you’ll also want to reference the racist leanings of the illegitimate queen, ‘please-soften-my-image-NOW!-chris… I understand she dressed as Willy Wonka for halloween so she wouldn’t frighten the little kiddies ….has she lost her hood??
aimed at “people who claim to be pro-life but are for the death penalty.”
Seems to be about right. Pro-war too. Any war that is Republican in origin that is. The more people that die in a Republican-started war the better the wingnut feels.
Apologies
Never to a hateful sore-losing ASS like ASS!
Oh by the way, she’s making a difference.
Dear Mayor and Seattle council and Goldy
Can you save that $3.8mm extra and spend it on your dire need transportation instead?
what’s up w/ that?
Dear Righton (WrongOne),
You don’t live in Seattle do you? Playing busybody, the favorite pastime of a loser?
@87L “You would never see anything on a Republican web site demeaning Judaism or the Islamic faith”. (Ericksen, R-Bellingham)
Oh sure. The Republican representative of the 26th District walked out at the beginning of a legislative session because the opening prayer was offered by someone of the Islamic faith, and she made disparaging remarks about Islam, within earshot of many people, while doing so. She didn’t apologize until the press picked it up.
This is hilarious.
How to make a frothing Wingnut!
Holiday cheer all!
@89 Savior for Blondes,
There are conservatives who are pro-choice. I am one. I am for the death penalty, but I do have some concerns about it being a fair punishment.
@93
It actually sounds good, but the music could be improved by substituting Metallica for slayer.
Slayer is perfect for the NeoCons who were exiled in the think tanks during the Clinton years. Here’s the lyrics to “Raining Blood”, pretty appropriate for the neocons:
Trapped in purgatory
A lifeless object, alive
Awaiting reprisal
Death will be their acquisition
The sky is turning red
Return to power draws near
Fall into me, the sky’s crimson tears
Abolish the rules made of stone
Pierced from below, souls of my treacherous past
Betrayed by many, now ornaments dripping above
Awaiting the hour of reprisal
Your time slips away
Raining blood
From a lacerated sky
Bleeding its horror
Creating my structure
Now I shall reign in blood!
Savior of Blonds
I still prefer Metallica! You think Republicans like blood, murder, power, all of the above?
wellssuz @ 30 sez:
“Mr Cynical, you need medication. Usually, I recommend counselling for the mentally disturbed, but in Mr Cynical’s case, medication would be better treatment for his irrational anti-social behavior. Get help, Mr Cynical, before you become a statistic on a police chart.
Comment by Wells— 12/13/05 @ 5:08 pm”
“Statistic on a police chart” sounds like a threat to me.
Are you one of those ELF and ALF CLOWNS that believes in violence as a FIRST resort???? Seriously, veiled physical threats are bad…..this one isn’t even veiled!!! You are the one in need of counseling A$$hole!! Try this first:
http://www.shantimai.com
Thomas T@50 sez:
“Mr. Cynical – You need to be *more* cynical to keep that nom de plume.
Comment by Thomas Trainwinder— 12/13/05 @ 6:42 pm”
I tend to soften up a bit around Christmas, Easter and Martin Luther King’s Birthday. If you expect this “compassionate conservative” facade to last and you are probably mistaken. But, I suppose I MIGHT consider a New Year’s Resolution to be a tad kinder and gentler towards those intellectually challenged CLOWNS among us!
Nin @ 75 sez:
“way back when, concerning my intention to observe my nephew’s concert performance, Cynical said:
“You are either one sick bastard….or a great Uncle!
Perhaps you ought to go drinking BEFORE the concert!”
Who would go drinking before the concert, Cynical, the sick bastard or the great uncle?
I, unlike you, happen to be the latter.
Comment by N in Seattle— 12/14/05 @ 12:08 am
I don’t have to drink Nin. I get high just laughing at your BS!!
I laugh so hard, it makes me feel light-headed!
It’s so amusing to sense the anger of the LEFTIST PINHEADED CLOWNS towards those of us with a different view of the world. You CLOWNS get so uptight, it would take a John Deere Tractor to pull a pin outta yer ass! Lighten up. Diversity really isn’t a bad thing. One of your many problems is you endlessly PREACH for DIVERSITY, yet when you get it, you want Goldy to shutdown folks like me. Which is it Nin???? Kind of a moral dilemma, isn’t it. Take your que from Roger Rabbit…..he may be a bit ornery and thick-headed….but he has always stood up for opposing viewpoints being expressed.
Suck on this CLOWNS;
“State Democratic Party Chairman Paul Berendt said he first found out about the hypocrite fish posting on Friday when someone from KIRO radio called to ask him to go on the air to give an explanation.
“The moment I became aware of it, I insisted it be taken down,” Berendt said Tuesday. “I’m sorry if anyone was offended. It’s embarrassing.”
Berendt said the item had not been “properly vetted” and was on the Web site for less than 48 hours. He said the party didn’t even have any of the magnets in stock.
“We didn’t sell any of them, and we’re not going to,” he said.
State Rep. Doug Ericksen, R-Bellingham, put out a news release Tuesday criticizing the Democrats for posting what he described as an “anti-Christian” symbol.
“It’s just amazing that they have people sitting in their office who think that way,” Ericksen said. “You would never see anything on a Republican Web site demeaning Judaism or the Islamic faith.”
The fish magnet is copyrighted by a Mount Vernon company called Reefer Magnets. The company mostly sells magnets with pro-marijuana messages such as “Hemp is Patriotic” and “Jesus is coming, roll another joint.”
Berendt said he wasn’t sure what the fish symbol is supposed to mean but said he thinks it is aimed at “people who claim to be pro-life but are for the death penalty.”
97 – not all Republicans for sure. Just neo-cons and those that believe in their foreign policy agenda. This guy calls them NEO-Crazies.
101 – Suck on this, Bozo:
The Culture of Life: TEXAS-STYLE!
102
Well, I would prefer if Israel takes care of Iran and if their President doesn’t shut up, that may be sooner than later.
I support the war in Iraq, but I wouldn’t support taking on Iran, and Syria and every other little pissy country in the region. The terrorism may continue but the Iraqi’s hopefully can handle that soon.