The Seattle chapter of Drinking Liberally meets tonight (and every Tuesday), 8PM at the Montlake Ale House, 2307 24th Avenue E. Tonight is “Smoke ’em if you got ’em” Night, in honor of Initiative 901, which goes into effect on Thursday. (The Ale House is smoke free until 9PM.)
I don’t believe I’ll be smoking, but I’ll definitely be there enjoying some fine ale.
Will Democrat “Tookie” Williams be there to give each and every one of you “progressives” a little “Tookie” love underneath the table?? Happy AIDs Day, Democrats!!
Will any disheveled Windermere people be there (folks living at the office, so they can vote…)
Or dwarfs? Oops, i meant little people, who dwell in Mailboxes
Or that homeless guy who lied, then recanted about living at the mailbox place…
well…i hope you all enjoy your D-R-U-G-S…..while clebrating that another drug cannot be used there.
closet elitists all…………
I hear windie is bringing the Meth!!!
@ 4
Yes, for now
@ 3
That’s rich. So are 63% of WA voters elitest?
belltowner…short answer….YES.
it’s hypocritical to the max to be so self rightious about cigarettes, don’t you think?
when was the last time someone got in a car and lit up a ciggie and mowed down a family of five…..HMMMMMMMM?
Roger Rabbit rarely attends DL, and never announces his appearances in advance due to traffic problems caused by the crush of admiring fans, papparazzi, and process servers.
prr never attends DL due to buh-uck buck cluck-cluck, and always conspicuously announces the appearances he didn’t make.
Hey kiddies! Once again, it’s time to post links to “The Chickenhawk Song” and the chicken picture — in honor of prr’s alleged but unsubstantiated appearance at DL!
http://www.roysongs.com/sounds/
http://www.fotosearch.com/bigc.....234013.jpg
@ 8
Well, when I have 8 beers, the waitress doesn’t get cirrohsis is the liver.
And we’ve made smoking inconvenient, not illegal. We tried making booze illegal. How’d that one work?
roger..are you sure that you and josef aren’t one and the same? the only admirer you seem to have is yourself. quit patting yourself on the back so hard you might break your arm [or leg]…..
Goldy===
Kind of strange your filter won’t let me post Mirecki’s full e-mail that caused the uproar.
Belltowner………when you have eight beers the waitress gets a huge headache because [unbeknownst to you] you become the world’s biggest and ,when driving, most dangerous BORE.
eight beers huh? i hear they have treatment for that…..it’s called re-hab.
and everyone with half a brain knows that you are trying to make smoking illegal. and besides….answer my question. talk about junk science here….second hand smoke??? most of the parents in my generation smoked all the time and i don’t know anyone with lung cancer etc. have you been to europe lately [ever]????
the “science” is skewed………
you will get more damage to your lungs visiting new york or seattle for a week…..that’s just a fact.
I’m sure legislature will make some changes to the smoking law to iron out obvious problems. IIRC even the initiative sponsors conceded that it might be a little overly strict, but that they were forced to this because efforts to get it through legislature were deadlocked.
Ghost @ 14
closet elitists all…………
Hey Ghost did you get a gander at Cunningham’s house? Nice place, huh? Do you live in a place like that?
What about his furnishings? French commodes? Oops – wingnut faux pas. Bill O’Reilly won’t be pleased.
What about his wheels – a Rolls. Stylin’… Saville Row suit, cigar, cognac, car phone… Slick..
And his yacht.. Republican cool… Heard he lived there for a while.
Do you have those kind of things Ghost? Do you live in his district? If you don’t, better hurry down there – you might be able to pick those things up at fire sale prices – the best kind.
@ 14
You need treatment if you have 8 beers…
in the morning.
belltowner …people that drink to excess [and eight beers is excess] have a problem. period.
and for the clueless….boy oh boy…your name really does fit doesn’t it? are you geographically or reading challenged or both?
number one [unlike you idiots] i think cunningham is a SWINE even though he was a republican. can you say that about anyone in your “tribe” , hmmmmm? that would be a ‘no’……..
no. 2……california is a very large state. we could use washington as sink sponge. so as i have repeatedly said i live in far northern california…humboldt county.cunningham is from san diego area……we are polar opposites geographically.look at a map.
as for your other questions…do i live in a house like his?no…i grew up in a bigger house than that but now i live very happily in a wonderful old 1915 craftsman. do i have a yacht? yes…i do, it’s for sale…do you want to buy it? it’s a large sailboat.
as for your premise that only republicans live like cunningham …have you heard of little billy gates? ted kennedy?
do any of your “ideas” ever have any substance? that’s my question for you…you little scarcity thinker you………
and P.S…you should stop watching o’reilly…he is a complete idiot.
@12
“roger..are you sure that you and josef aren’t one and the same? the only admirer you seem to have is yourself. quit patting yourself on the back so hard you might break your arm [or leg]…”
It’s hard to believe anyone could confuse me with Josef the Whinocrat, but xMasGhost is capable of anything, it seems.
Ghost…. Whatever. Now, get off your daddys computer, and go get your homework done. Moron.
PUBLIC NOTICE
One of our trolls, xMasGhost, has thrown down the glove! Specifically, the Vaporous One alleges that Roger Rabbit has no admirers except himself!
Therefore, to prove Thin As a Mist wrong, I request that a representative sample of my admirers make themselves known by posting as follows:
I admire Roger Rabbit
I like Rog
The Rabbit rocks!
or words to that effect.
http://www.time.com/time/archi.....34,00.html
But it was all Mike Brown’s fault according to Goldstein.
More and more coming out now about how Blanco screwed up with the buses in the wake of Katrina. Bu hey libs, just head on down to Driking Liberally and swill five or six beers. It won’t be long before you get a good buzz going and get back to that happy place where everything is all Bush’s fault.
Roger Rabbit —
I love you, man! In that manly, heterosexual, Goldy kind of way, of course!
Goldy et. al.,
Maybe advertising you’re meeting place on this blog isn’t such a good idea. You’re giving complete strangers detailed info as to where you’ll be and when you’ll be there. There are a lot of nutcases out there. Be careful.
Not nutty enough to risk our red skins wading through the swill around Montlake…
@ 24
What makes you think we’re not fucked up weirdo liberals? Trolls are always welcome, just don’t drool on the tables.
Not nutty enough to risk our red skins wading through the swill around Montlake…
Comment by righton— 12/6/05 @ 3:27 pm
I take it you are not a Husky booster.
Roger Rabbit is one of the most informed and entertaining posters on this comment board. The Rabbit rocks!
Well, good luck to all. Drink heavily!
Can you drink libertarianly?
There are a lot of nutcases out there. Be careful.
Thanks for your concern Libertarian. This blog called the election contest correctly, got Mike Brown to resign and put the charlatans David Irons and Stefan Sharkansky in their places.
That’s quite a record and some might conclude that would create enemies crazy enough to act on their fantasies.
Well, I see that Kerry is back to bashing the American troops again. He complains that the troops knock down doors at night in Iraq but he hasn’t figured out that it’s a sure-fire way to catch terrorists unawares. Kerry was wounded three times and received three Purple Hearts in Viet Nam. Asked about the severity of the wounds, Kerry said that one of them cost him about two days of service, and that the other two did not interrupt his duty. Boy, all that killin’ ‘n rapin’ ‘n torture sure is a hard day’s work!
@15
They did NOT have to make it so strict. They did it because they know better for you, than you. I am boycotting all restaurants and bars for one year.
@21
Roger, I got your back, Army veterans stick together! When you need someone to come fight with you, call me! I’ll hop up there to Seattle and we won’t talk about you being a wild liberal bunny or me being a uptight conservative……
HOOAH!
Belltowner, I don’t know about drinking “libertarianly,” but I DO brew my own beers and ales at a place in Silvedale. It’s fun, and the beer usually is excellent.
I guess you can say I am a liberal consumer of my own concoctions.
Hey libbies; fantasies fueled by yourselves…
Nobody tkaes you that seriously; nobody coming to mess with you after “exposing” brownie.
But Area 51 could use some spotters; please move their if your conspiracy theories won’t abide. I head they have a Diebold machine down there too..
@ 35
THAT’S drinking libertarianly
Mr. Cynical@13: You said “…kind of strange your filter wouildn’t let me post Mirecki’s full e-mail”
It was posted on the “Kansas Professor…” thread at #174. So Quit your silly ass whining, crybaby.
Maybe we should drink to Tom DeLay’s upcoming trial? After all, America has been well served by his indictment. Now that he couldn’t even get a hand picked republican judge to throw out the most serious of the charges against him, he’s toast.
Do you think he’ll look good in orange? Too bad the rest of the traitors and cowards in the GOP aren’t going down with him.
We could talk about the latest christowingy nuttiness sweeping the country, i.e. boycotting stores who put up “holiday trees” instead of “Christmas trees.”
I love you too, RR. And you write coherently and entertainingly, more than I can say for those trolls that overuse the CAPS key and seem to have no sense of humor.
I admire Roger Rabbit
I like Rog
The Rabbit rocks!
or words to that effect.
Rabbit man,
What are these holiday’s anyhow? I only know of Christmas and Hannaukauh. I think Festivus is only on TV.
Bush: Intel Will Free U.S. Hostages
DNC’s Dean: U.S. Will Lose War in Iraq
NYC Awash in Fake IDs
McCain Tops Clinton in Quinnipiac Poll
Bill Clinton as Junk Food Czar?
With 525,000 illegal immigrants in New York City, the Big Apple is awash in fake IDs, with much of the phony document trade centered in a single neighborhood in Queens.
“Roosevelt Avenue is like the mecca for fake documents,” state Assemblyman Jose Peralta tells the New York Sun. “If anybody comes through New York City and they ask, ‘Where can I get a false document?’ the no. 1 answer is going to be Roosevelt Avenue. It’s the place, it’s the spot.”
The Department of Homeland Security said it is aware of the problem, but explains that document fraud knows no geographic bounds.
“Roosevelt Avenue is one of the primary areas in New York City to buy false documents, but it is not limited to any borough, or any immigrant community, and it is not new,” Immigration and Customs Enforcement spokesman Mark Thorn told the paper.
Exacerbating the situation, illegal immigration into the US now tops legal immigration, according to a recent study by the Pew Hispanic Center in Washington. [Another 500,000 New York Democrat votes!! Maybekerry could bus a few thusand illegals to help the Democrats in Ohio. Democrats: determined to turn the USA into a third world shit hole!]
Xmasghost
I like Rog.
Check out his posts on the “Strategy for Victory” thread, specifically those dealing with the Kurdish situation. He displays a depth of knowledge that most trolls posting here lack.
JOHN Kerry campaign insiders are blaming some of the high-profile people surrounding the candidate for helping President Bush win re-election.
A prime target of the finger-pointers is Kerry’s filmmaker daughter Alexandra, who made a splash at the Cannes Film Festival last spring when she appeared on the red carpet in a see-through dress. She then hired a pricey publicist at powerhouse agency PMK — on her dad’s dime, sources say — and went on the campaign trail.
But insiders snipe that all she did was rack up major expenses. “She had an entourage of five people with her everywhere she went,” one Kerry confidant sniffed to PAGE SIX’s Jared Paul Stern. “A hairdresser, makeup artist, publicist and two assistants. It ended up costing something like $8,000 a month. And she didn’t exactly do anything.” [Democrats love to spend other people’s money, that is, money they did not earn themselves. Using “guvment” to tax, and spending the funds on themselves is a Democrat’s wet dream!!!]
If Democrats hate “Big Tobacco” and need to shake down this industry for billions, why not shake down “Big Alcohol” as well? Maybe Goldysteinburg’s Democrat New York Jewish lawyer friends should sue “Big Automobiles”, “Big Drugs”, and “Big Fast Foods” as well!! GM and Ford need to be sued so they will lay off another 30 to 50 thousand employees right before Christmas!! Then Goldy and Friends, ESQ can blame Bush!!!
Oh Yeah!!!! Goldenstein and Friends, Democrats, ESQ need to sue the gun manufacturers [Colt, Winchester, etc] and the brokerage firms and anyone who makes chocolate and ice cream. Put these capitalist pigs out of business. And I saved the best for last!!! Goldenstein, Loeb, Goodman, and Bloomberg, ESQ need to sue all the doctors so they will retire, except when Goldy needs a doctor. If no doctors will take Democrats Goldy, ESQ [et al]. then the same Jewish layers can sue for discrimination and demand medical treatment, so they can sue again!! Get it?? [hehe]
THIS IS ELECTION DAY IN SPOKANE
The recall of Spokane Mayor Jim West is on the line tonight. We should know the results shortly after 8 p.m.
When your wife needs and OB/GYN, call a Jewish trail lawyer to deliver the baby!!! Don’t call a doctor, as they have all been driven out of business by Jewish Democrat trail lawyers. Enjoy, POS Democrats!!!!
Oh, don’t forget John “Sue the doctors and hospitals” Edwards [Democrat, Breck Boy]. Not Jewish, and made his living suing doctors. Too bad when his wife got breast cancer the medical community didn’t tell him to piss off!! Off to Walter Reed for Mrs. Edwards!!! [Democrats: can’t shoot them, but we sure wish we could!!!]
“Gregoire Will Keep MacDonald As Highway Chief
“December 6, 2005
“By KOMO Staff & News Services
“OLYMPIA – Gov. Christine Gregoire announced Tuesday that she’s keeping hard-charging Doug MacDonald as the state transportation director, praising his agency’s ability to bring road projects in on time without huge cost overruns.
“…Twenty projects have been completed in the past few years, all on time and within a half-percent of being within budget, the governor said. … ‘”I do believe there is a lot more accountability and he has listened to our pleas for more information from that agency.'”
http://www.komotv.com/stories/40619.htm
I had a very interesting conversation about holiday trees and christmas trees with a great poster here. I even learned something or two more about the origins of my Tannenbaum! I don’t like the term holiday tree, it’s a christmas tree. That’s our history and tradition and I don’t like seeing it changed just to be pc. A christmas tree to me has never had anything to do with Christ. If I learned anything in the Army, it was to respect all religions, customs, and traditions. In Germany, (Home of the first Christmas tree) they hang a pickle on their tree, and on christmas day, the child who finds the pickle gets an extra present! Of course, the pickles now are glass ornaments. Last year, when we were decorating my 10 foot christmas tree, I missed Germany so bad, I went in the kitchen and cooked up a batch of Gluh wine, it’s a hot and spicy red wine! We really don’t win anything as a people or as individuals if we suppress all cultures and religions. Intelligent Design isn’t a myth, it isn’t a science, it is a religious explanation for the creation of human beings and the planet we live on. Nobody knew anything about creation when the bible was written. Somebody needed to explain something to people’s questions. Darwin has some holes in his theories too. There are some pretty different cultures in our world today and different doesn’t mean bad.
CONGRATS TO COURTNEY GREGOIRE …
… on passing the summer bar exam. The Washington State Bar Association published a list of successful examinees in the new issue of The Bar News that Washington lawyers received in their mail a couple days ago.
47
Let’s shake down JCH. I’ll bet if we grab him by his legs, turn him upside down, and shake, some coins will fall out of his pockets. Might be enough there to pay for a round of drinks at DL!
RR@48: My Spokane friends tell me that Republican Mayor Jim, ‘stick it to ’em, West is probably goin down. I can’t understand why Puddybud hasn’t shown more interest in this?
@53
West is in trouble because he was probably foin down!
@57
okay I can’t type that foin is supposed to be goin!
Mac, you DO know what the Mayor West recall is all about, don’t you?
I like Rog. Roger Rabbit rocks.
Yes, that’s why I said he’s in trouble for goin down. He looks sissy to me….. If you’re gay and you’re Republican you have a problem, but it is ALWAYS better to tell the truth, before your opponents out you to the media.
The City of Olympia just elected an openly gay city councilman by an overwhelming majority. I’m not against gays, but if you’re stupid enough to hide it and make degrading remarks about gays, you deserve what you get!
Oil and gas Companies are Republican Evil and must not be permitted to enter the state of WASH!! Say “NO!!” to gasoline, heating oil and natural gas!!! Say “YES” to Hillary!! [hehe Democrats: economic idiots!!]
47
Let’s shake down JCH. I’ll bet if we grab him by his legs, turn him upside down, and shake, some coins will fall out of his pockets. Might be enough there to pay for a round of drinks at DL!
Comment by Roger Rabbit — 12/6/05 @ 6:23 pm [Roger, don’t you need “guvment” to shake down Republicans to pay for your drinks?? I welcome you to “turn me upside down”!!! [hehe…..The result: one “broken Democrat “victim” Rabbit”!!!]
Keep reaming the RepTards, Roger Rabbit! And keep the minnow on the ropes.
Roger Rabbit is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I’ve ever known in my life.
sgmmac “Intelligent Design isn’t a myth, it isn’t a science, it is a religious explanation for the creation of human beings and the planet we live on.”
So you do agree it has no place in our science classes?
Roger Rabbit, if your rabbit hole gets too filled with fuzzy baby bunnies, I would be proud to adopt one.
sparky@20…….my daddy’s computer? get real man. if you have nothing to say…don’t say it.
and roger…..HA HA HA [to quote you]…that wasn’t a glove baby…it was my lucky rabbit’s foot being thrown down.
missing any relatives?
@65
Yes, Donna, I don’t recall being taught about God in my science classes, if I remember correctly it was my parents and grandparents.
52: smgmac.
Now here’s a myth afterall. No one in Germany is putting a pickle on the Christmas tree. Trust me. Yes, they do make glass ornament pickles in Germany, but only for export to the US. No self respecting German is putting any pickle on that tree :-)
http://german.about.com/library/blgermyth11.htm
And Gluehwein is wonderful…warms you up and gets you into the Christmas spirit. :-)
Donna @65
So you do agree it has no place in our science classes?
Only as long as you are not the model for intelligent design…man, cancel my subscription…
Donna,
Roger Rabbit, if your rabbit hole gets too filled with fuzzy baby bunnies, I would be proud to adopt one.
man, this one was WAYYY too obvious…but here goes…
ADOPT A HOLE? What kind of homo are you?
(Sorry Donna, can’t let you wiggle by on this one)
46
JCH, are you saying Kerry’s daughter spent $8,000 a month of taxpayer money on her entourage?
@71
The pickle could very well be a myth. They do sell pickle ornaments all over Germany though. Every christmas market, (Kriskindlmarkt) that I have ever been to has them, along with radishes, and every other fruit and vegetable that you can think of. They also have real candles with candle holders for trees, and the very best is their clip on birds, which I have hundreds of……. Gluehwein is wonderful, especially at night with the lights and the vendor stands and the snow. Leavenworth sells the same brand of gluehwein that I used to buy in Germany at the garden store by my house. You have not had Christmas until you have spent one in a German town!
66
“Roger Rabbit, if your rabbit hole gets too filled with fuzzy baby bunnies, I would be proud to adopt one.”
I appreciate the sentiment, but between Republican bastards speeding on Green Lake Way in their SUVs, and the Parks Department fascists, I don’t think overpopulation of my burrow will be a problem. Besides, I can always dig more holes!
67
“missing any relatives?”
… 7,112 … 7,113 … 7,114 … 7,115 … uh oh, where’s 7,116?
Yeah, looks like one is missing, either run over or caught in a live trap set by the Parks Department fascist bunny relocators!
Oh well. I’ll just have to make more bunnies! :D
marks @ 73 you ought to be a comic.
74…..RR, “I appreciate the sentiment, but between Republican bastards speeding on Green Lake Way in their SUVs”,…Only the Kerrys and Kennedys should have SUVs. This is what was decided when the Kerrys and Kennedys flew their Gulfstream 5 private jets into Sundance for the Global Warming Conference. [hehe…RR and the Democrats: parasite hypocites!]
46
JCH, are you saying Kerry’s daughter spent $8,000 a month of taxpayer money on her entourage?
Comment by Roger Rabbit — 12/6/05 @ 8:06 pm [RR, something call “matching funds”!! But don’t worry, Ms. Kerry, with her entorage of 6, since kept “in touch” with the “common people”!!! [hehe…..Democrats: hypocite parasites]
U.S. ABDUCTED AND TORTURED INNOCENT GERMAN; HE FILES SUIT AGAINST CIA IN U.S. DISTRICT COURT
Hey trolls, listen up, THIS is why our government shouldn’t torture people — because, you stupid fucks, they might be INNOCENT!
“German Man Claims U.S. Tortured Him
“Germany’s Leader Says Rice Acknowledges Mistake
“By PETE YOST, AP
“WASHINGTON (Dec. 6) – A German man alleged in a lawsuit Tuesday that the CIA took him to Afghanistan and tortured him after the spy agency mistakenly identified him as an associate of the Sept. 11 terrorists.
“In the latest controversy surrounding the CIA’s ‘rendition’ program for terror suspects, Khaled al-Masri said Macedonian authorities … turned him over to the CIA … he then was flown to Afghanistan where he spent more than four months in a cell.
” … Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice … declined to discuss the case with reporters Tuesday, but the new German chancellor, Angela Merkel, said the United States had admitted making a mistake regarding al-Masri.
” … on arrival in Afghanistan, al-Masri was ‘dragged off the plane and thrown into the trunk of a car’ and beaten by his captors, he told reporters in a video hookup from Germany.
“Then-CIA Director George Tenet was notified by the agency that al-Masri’s captivity was a case of mistaken identity, yet the man was held for another two months after his passport was found to be valid, his lawsuit alleges. The case was filed in U.S. District Court in Alexandria, Va., where Judge T.S. Ellis III, an appointee of President Reagan, will preside.
…
“The suit says al-Masri was held at a CIA-run facility known as the ‘Salt Pit,’ an abandoned brick factory north of the Kabul business district used for detention of high-level terror suspects.
“During his captivity in Afghanistan, al-Masri said, he complained that the water was unfit to drink. … Al-Masri said that when he became ill, ‘they didn’t pay any attention.’ … ‘You might be buried here, al-Masri said one of his interrogators told him. His captors kept asking him if he was acquainted with Sept. 11 conspirators Mohammed Atta and Ramzi Binalshibh.
“Defendants in the case are Tenet, 10 ‘John Doe’ CIA employees whose identities aren’t known to the plaintiffs and three private aviation companies that worked with the CIA in transporting al-Masri to and from Afghanistan. Al-Masri contends his due process rights were violated and that he was subjected to torture and other cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment.
“‘I am asking the American government to admit its mistakes and to apologize for my treatment,’ al-Masri said in a written statement. ‘Throughout my time in the prison, I asked to be brought before a court but was refused. Now I am hoping that an American court will say very clearly that what happened to me was illegal and cannot be done to others.’
“The scope of the CIA’s rendition program has not been publicly disclosed. However, Amnesty International contended Monday that six planes used by the CIA for renditions had made some 800 flights in or out of European airspace, including 50 landings at Shannon International Airport in Ireland.
… ”
http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/new.....5109990013
SPOKANE MAYOR JIM WEST OUSTED FROM OFFICE
Early returns indicate a 65% “yes” vote in favor of recall, 35% “no.”
More on Spokane recall election …
Total ballots mailed: 110,589
Ballots returned: 60,413
Votes in favor of recall: 38,718
Votes against recall: 20,681
Sources: KIRO 7 News and Spokane County Elections web sites
Spokane City Council President Dennis Hession, a lawyer, will be acting mayor until the council appoints a successor to finish the remainder of ex-mayor Jim West’s 2-year term.
Because the Spokane recall election is a mail ballot election, more ballots may come in; but the “yes” votes for recall already exceed an absolute majority of the total ballots mailed.
Makes you wonder what 20,681 Spokane Republicans were thinking, though. I guess they think using a government office to solicit gay sex is OK as long as a Republican is doing it. After all, they think torture and corruption are OK when Republicans do it. As Forrest Gump would say, “Stupid is, as stupid does.”
Hey Roger,
Chuck posted this link on SP.
“It happens in Whatcom County also: See attached:
http://www.bellinghamherald.co.....=512060336” It’s a city councilman who resigned because they cancelled his voter registration because he didn’t live in the city anymore.
@83
Gen Honore says “What are you, stuck on stupid?” You are being nice to Mayor West though, I think I rad that he was giving away jobs for sex, or making job offers for sex, it was more than just looking or soliticing.
83
Why should democrats have a monoply on soliciting sex in a government office. If it is good enough for Clinton well why not. Oh I know why, the republicans have a conscience.
@78
Okay, I read it, now where’s the torture?
At lease 20 tonight, it’s after nine and we’re smokin’!
just imagine, spokane vote likely accurate…
If Dean the Dream was counting, heck Kerry might be the new mayor..
84
Positions on the Nooksack city council are non-partisan, so I can’t determine whether Mr. Knutsen is a Republican or a Democrat. However, I have lived in Whatcom County, and I know the small exurban towns there tend to be Republican and conservative. In any case, Mr. Knutsen was legally elected to the council but apparently lost his eligibility to serve when was forced to move from his home on W. 1st Street in Nooksack to an apartment in Bellingham due to divorce. I don’t know whether Nooksack (pop. 864 as of 2004) even has a single rental unit.
Mac — for all you or I know, Mr. Knutsen may be (I would guess he probably is) a long-time resident of Nooksack. He may have lived there all his life. He may even be a pioneer descendant, as outsiders tend not to move to places like Nooksack; there’s not much there to attract new residents, certainly not jobs. He may have every intention of moving back to Nooksack as soon as he can find housing.
Mr. Knutsen obviously cares enough about what happens there to donate his time to civic activities like serving on the city council. Let’s face it, in a town with about 200 voters, the talent pool isn’t real deep and they’re lucky to find people like him willing to serve for no pay. Mr. Knutsen is not a lawyer, and probably didn’t realize that moving outside the town limits ended his qualification to serve on the council. He probably thought he was doing nothing wrong.
Nevertheless, the law’s the law.
What’s more remarkable than Mr. Lynn Knutsen’s departure from the Nooksack city council is the fact that Stefan has nothing better to do than delve into local matters like this while Rome burns all around him.
Reply to 86
Since you don’t think being abducted, tied up, tossed on a plane, flown halfway around the world to Afghanistan, thrown into a hell-hole, fed garbage and putrid drinking water, being beaten, and having your medical needs ignored isn’t “torture,” let’s do it to you and see how you like it.
Golden Rule applies here, Mac.
86 (continued)
False arrest is false arrest. Kidnapping and imprisonment are legally actionable under virtually every legal system on earth.
sgmmac = apologist for torture
Doofus @85
“Why should democrats have a monoply on soliciting sex in a government office. If it is good enough for Clinton well why not. Oh I know why, the republicans have a conscience.”
I agree. Republicans have as much right to debase themselves and the public offices they occupy as Clinton did. They’re certainly proving that!
DeLay – indicted
Libby – indicted
Abramoff – indicted
James Tobin – indicted
Frist – under investigation for securities violations
Rove – under investigation in “Plamegate”
Cunningham – in prison for theft and tax evasion
etc. …
(I could go on, but we all know this is a very long list)
As Doofus solicitously pointed out, when Republicans get into public offices, their behavior is no better than Clinton’s.
So much for Republican morality.
84 (continued)
A more constructive use of Stefan’s time would be explaining to the generous donors to his “legal action fund” why he isn’t going to share the proceeds of the lawsuit they paid for with them.
Before you guys go off the deep end… let me remind you… again…. Bubba was impeached and disbarred NOT for his conduct in the Oval Office with his Skank D’jour, but rather because he attempted to conceal a pattern of predatory behavior when he lied to a Grand Jury in connection with a felony assault case that he settled for $800k. Spin it however you want, but them the facts.
West was stupid as was Bubba. But Bubba was a criminal too which West is not. Big difference…
92
You call those lies a list… hahahahaha
Here is a list for you
Perjury- He admitted to it
Paula Jones
Troopergate
Whitewater
Vince Foster
Chinese Campaign contributions
FBI filegate
Ron Brown investigation
Sandy Burgler
Linclon Bedroom
Teamsters scandal
Johny Chung- California business man campaign fund raising scandal
Gennifer Flowers
Juanita Brodrick-
Travelgate
Espy
Henery Cisneros
Frank Rich Pardon
Rose Law Firm billing scandal- Web Hubbell
And that is just from Clinton alone. Most of his cronies were just as corrupt as he was. We republicans have a lot of catching up to do.
WSSC SHITCANS RINGHOFER’S ATTEMPT TO RECALL SAM REED; LABELS RECALL PETITION “FRIVOLOUS”
The Washington Supreme Court, in an opinion that uses the word “frivolous,” rejected gadfly Martin Ringhofer’s attempt to recall Secretary of State Sam Reed because of the 2004 governor’s election.
The court dismissed 6 of Ringhofer’s 9 charges against Reed on the grounds Reed isn’t responsible for “the past conduct of a wholly separate governmental agency” that is “beyond his knowledge or ability to direct.”
The court dumped charge 7 (Reed failed to require counties to submit written reconciliation narratives before certifying the election) because such narratives were not required by law.
The court dumped charge 8 (alleging Reed failed to perform duties of his office) because Ringhofer and his co-wacko, Linda Jordan, “fail[ed] to provide any legal analysis supporting any failure of Secretary Reed to act in accordance with the
statute” and “offered no reason why the allegations contained in the charge show violations of a legal duty.”
The court dumped charge 9 (relating to Reed’s certification of Gregoire’s hand-recount victory over erstwhile candidate and full-time whiner Dino Rossi) because county canvassing boards are responsible for certifying election results and the Secretary of State’s role in transmitting the returns to the legislature are merely “ministerial” in nature. In other words, the Secretary of State lacks discretion to certify or not certify an election. “Thus, the secretary of state has a constitutional duty to deliver the counties’ respective returns to the speaker of the house. In light of the constitution’s mandatory provisions, appellants’ charge nine would require Secretary Reed to disregard a constitutional duty.”
Hey Martin — do you know how to pronounce
F R I V O L O U S
? Sheesh. What a waste of the court’s time and taxpayer dollars. The attorney general should ask the court for Rule 11 sanctions against Ringhofer and Jordan for the state’s defense costs on this one.
A more constructive use of Stefan’s time would be explaining to the generous donors to his “legal action fund” why he isn’t going to share the proceeds of the lawsuit they paid for with them.
Comment by Roger Rabbit— 12/6/05 @ 9:38 pm
Use the money he received for future voter registrations challenges in KC. Put public pressure on KC to clean up or scare them away from pulling another 04. Money well spent in my book.
Hardovertoport@56: I appreciate your “mock concern” over me. The reason Le Pudster is not interested in the Jim West story is I already called him on his actions long ago. In fact if you research ASSes here, you will see most of us whom think right called West on his actions. Unlike most ASSes here, once I make a pronouncement I don’t need to continually shout it from the mountaintops.
@91
How did they torture him. There isn’t any torture in that statement you made. They gave him bad tasting water and told him he might be buried there………. HaH! What kind of torture is that? Give me the details of the alleged torture.
RR@78: The German should sue for $500,000 and the US has to apologize. The problems of war is sometimes innocents get caught accidentally.
102
Puddy, I understand that innocent people get hurt in war — that’s one of many reason why I’m against unnecessary wars — and I’m willing to accept that as a necessary evil of war as long as you pay them just compensaton, as you would to anyone else you harmed by your negligent or intentional act.
In other news, a federal jury acquitted a college professor who was prosecuted under the Patriot Act for having an Arab-sounding name.
Roger,
He was NOT abducted. “Khaled al-Masri said Macedonian authorities … turned him over to the CIA … he then was flown to Afghanistan where he spent more than four months in a cell. I don’t agree with the beating. You get much better results with sugar vs salt, but that wasn’t on too many American’s minds after 9/11. But maybe, just maybe, we should assume that the CIA is innocent until proven guilty like we do everybody else.
@89
I want to know why he was in Macedonia and why Macedonia officials arrested or abducted him. Just because he claims it isn’t him, doesn’t make it so either. Lots of guilty people get off and lots of innocent people get jailed.
@82 They could learn a few things from KCE
“Because the Seattle election is a mail ballot election, more ballots may come in; but the “yes” votes for recall already exceed the total ballots mailed.”
Hello.
@64
Roger Rabbit is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I’ve ever known in my life.
Comment by dj— 12/6/05 @ 7:07 pm
DJ-How about you play a game of Solitare? ;)
Dj, I take it you are a fan of “The Manchurian Candidate” too? The original is one of my all time favorite films, and because of that, I refuse to see the remake. (I wonder if anyone else recognized this)
Domo
PS-On a side note, I too am against Christmas trees being called “Hoilday trees.” It is a bit much. (And this is coming from an athiest.) People need to quit acting like they are vampires where the very image of anything possibly religious will cause them to cower in terror and pain.
105
“He was NOT abducted.”
Oh yeah? What do you call being detained against your will, turned over to undercover agents, bound and tossed on a plane, flown to a desolate foreign country, and thrown into a cell in “The Salt Pit?” A prom invitation?
Checking on Sucky Politics, I see that Stefan is railing against the Employment Security Department for losing a laptop with 550 social security numbers on it. I’m not a regular reader of Stefan’s shitty little blog — is anyone? — but I don’t recall him saying anything when Mastercard let 40 million credit card files get stolen. I guess it’s okay for private enterprise to compromise the personal information of 40 million people, but if a government agency compromises 550 people it’s worthy of a rant on Sucky Politics. That’s because, in Stefan’s neocon mind, private enterprise can do no wrong and government can do no good.
Private enterprise = good
Government = bad
I really can’t tell you why Stefan hates government. Maybe he’s bitter because he couldn’t hack government employment. I really don’t understand why not. Over 3,800 other King County residents have successful careers as pollworkers. As far as I know, Stefan was the only one of thousands of pollworkers who couldn’t follow the instructions given to him in training and by his supervisor, and walked off the job. Stefan just doesn’t have what it takes to be a government worker, and is envious and resentful of those who do. Yeah, that’s gotta be it.
106
Mac, are you really this dumb? Condi Rice admitted he’s innocent. He was held for months, if he knew anything or was involved in anything, don’t you think they would have beat it out of him? The case was investigated by U.S. officials who concluded they got the wrong guy, case of mistaken identity, they admitted it! Geez.
You will go to any lengths, won’t you, to cover for this incompetent administration? If you really loved America, you would want better than this for our country, and you would agree the only honorable thing for our government to do is apologize and pay fair compensation for what they did to him.
We Americans are better than this, Mac. We expect more of ourselves than this. For several generations, we have been a shining beacon to the rest of humanity in a dark world. We were a great country. We take responsibility, we do the right thing, we don’t lie, deny, evade the truth. You’re better than this, Mac. I know you are. Think about it.
106
Why shouldn’t he be in Macedonia? He had a valid passport. Macedonia is a tourist destination. If you travel on a valid passport to Italy or the French wine country, that doesn’t make you a terrorist. Well, in some people’s minds, it does. And that’s the goddam problem.
The poll results are in! Roger Rabbit is beloved by everyone except the trollfucks, who don’t love anyone, least of all themselves. You have to hate yourself to be a Republican!
How can you expect self-hating trollfucks to love a fluffy 9 3/8-lb. bunny with a cute cottontail who will rip them a new belly button if they pick me up by my pink ears?
RR: I can deal with you when you are lucid. But when you don’t eat your vitamin fortified carrots or Mrs. Wabbet forces you to sleep on the couch, your blog pronouncements demonstrate your mental stress. You know you have told some WHOPPERS here.
For the record, Goldy lit up a cigar from a small caribbean nation a little after nine pm last night.
@109
He wasn’t abducted by Americans. He was transported by Americans to their foreign detention area operated by the CIA. After 9/11, that’s where the CIA was operating and trying to find and round up Al-Qida members. Is it ethical, probably not, but you have to look at the mind-set of our country at that time. A lot of what the government is doing is a no-win situation. Can you imagine the pure outrage if al-Masri had later blown up the DeGalle airport in France and killed thousands. The headlines would have read “Americans knew about al-Masri and did nothing!”
30 posts on this thread, starting at 1:48 pm on Dec. 6 running to 3:24 am on Dec. 7. Roger Rabbit spends a lot of time on his computer.
@110
Roger, No, I don’t think they would have beat it out of him, because torture rarely works. It does work sometimes, though. My definition of torture is probably different than most people on this board. I personally would not beat or hurt a prisoner, nor would I watch anyone beat or hurt a prisoner without going off on the people who were doing the beating and that includes stopping them from abusing prisoners. I didn’t see any obvious tortue in the pictues of Abu-Ghraib. I saw degrading, insulting, sick, perverted and totally immoral and unethical behavior by the soldiers there. There were numerous violations of the UCMJ, which is why they are being courts-martialed. The Brigadier General in charge of those soldiers was demoted to Colonel and is no longer in the military. Who I didn’t hear of getting in trouble over it was their First Sergeant and Sergeants Major and those guys are the ones who should have been checking those soldiers on a daily basis.
We’ve been a “beacon of freedom” in the world—- except for the thousands of incidents like the 1954 CIA coup of the democratically elected government of Salvador in 1954. Americans have a weird view of how the world sees us.
Sorry, I meant Guatemala in 1954. El Salvador was later.
@110
Roger, I will NOT go to any length to cover for the Administration. I will try to explain what they do and why they do it. Our government has a long history of screwing people over, failing to take responsibility and failing to compensate those they have injured. I trust our Federal government as far as I have my eyes open and on trained right on them. They interred American citizens of Japanese descent in WWII. Did they apologize? Did they compensate? How many years did it take them? They used soldiers as guinea pigs in Vietnam by giving them LSD, they also gave LSD to other government workers, all without telling the people that they the drugs to. They put soldiers at the Nevada Test Site and set off above ground nuclear bombs near them to test the effects of radiation on them, and there are thousands of other examples. Yes, they should apologize and compensate! Do I think they will – nahhh!
sgmmac: Do you think the solution is to turn the world over to corporations like BOTH parties are doing?
Mac, you DO know what the Mayor West recall is all about, don’t you?
Comment by Roger Rabbit— 12/6/05 @ 6:29 pm
Wabbit is it because he like little boys and not girls?
Was it because he live in a closet and wouldn’t share his dress with any of his boy friends?
It wouldn’t be that he live in red neck country?
Wabbit would your friends let him live in you carrot patch and dress like a lady?
Sgmmac: You forget the Tuskegee Experiment. We blacks will never forget. For forty years the US Public Health Service (PHS) conducted an experiment on 399 black men in the late stages of syphilis. Beginning in 1932, the federal government sponsored a study to examine the impact of syphilis involving black men. (Why did they only look at black men?). The experiment went on until 1972 without the test subjects’ knowledge, but no President had apologized to the volunteers and their families until President Clinton did so May 16, 1997. Notice who was president in the 1930s? FDR, the hero of the progressive leftists.
So you all know some more history; the Tuskegee Institute, is a black university founded by Booker T. Washington.
RugratASS, CluelessASS, Windie (No ASS on windie today. Great conversation on the other thread!!!) : Tell me you all knew this. Otherwise, still ignorant after all these years.
Damn Goldy. I placed a great blog entry now in filterland.
Another terrible week for the right. That child molester West gets shown the door, Deke Cunningham further proves that the GOP is circled by a culture of corruption and prepares to share a cell with a large man named Rufus, and last but not least, the two most important and serious charges against the cowardly liar DeLay get ready to go to trial prompting a GOP revolt to permanentlt oust him as leader. Maybe next week will bring the indictment of that other prominent criminal republican Frist followed by Bush’s Brian, Karl Rove?
PuddyBud “Damn Goldy. I placed a great blog entry now in filterland. ”
While I have no doubt that the filter caught a word in your post, the “great blog entry” is highly out of character, and extremely unlikely.
Reply to 86
Since you don’t think being abducted, tied up, tossed on a plane, flown halfway around the world to Afghanistan, thrown into a hell-hole, fed garbage and putrid drinking water, being beaten, and having your medical needs ignored isn’t “torture,” let’s do it to you and see how you like it.
Golden Rule applies here, Mac.
Comment by Roger Rabbit— 12/6/05 @ 9:24 pm
Hey Wabbit we do that in our own country, New Orleans comes to mind. You forgot to send some fresh carrots and stew meat. What you consider torture is the environment Ray Charles and I grew up in when we were kids. Yes Wabbit stew was my favorite meal, especially if it was fresh off the road. Our medical needs were also ignored and the water taste like mud but the catfish like it. The only friend you could find was the old Red Neck living next door, he would give you milk and some fresh eggs. Don’t judge their world by the one you live in, theirs could be a lot better. No lawyers to clean your wallet out and no sin cops telling you can’t smoke.
More bad news for the right and more evidence that when you are corrupt, you pay the price. Deke’s stuff goes up for sale. Oh the shame of it all!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10355600/from/RS.1/
HE HE!
128 –
Hurry, XmasGhost! Hurry! All the accoutrements of Republican taste and style (very non-elitist) for fire-sale prices!
LeftTurn @ 128:
I have absolutely no problem with Cunnigham having to sell off his assets. I hope all the corrupt people of the last few years get their just rewards of total bankruptcy and disgrace. I’m talking about all the corrupt guys and gals at Ernon, Worldcom, and the politicians, too.
A little prison time for these scoundrels doesn’t sound too bad either!
130
That’s a pretty wide net, Lib. Do we have enough space in our jails for all the politico crooks?
@116
You could have said the same thing in 1942 about the unconstitutional rounding up and forcible relocation to internment camps of the Nisei.
While their parents, brothers and sisters cooled their heels behind U.S. barbed war, Japanese-Americans of the 442nd Regimental Combat Team — all enlisted from the confines of the internment camps — went to Europe and distinguished themselves as the most highly decorated unit in the history of the U.S. Army for its size and length of service. Its 6,000 soldiers earned 7 Presidential Unit Citations and over 18,000 individual decorations for bravery — an average of 3 per enlistee — including 9,486 Purple Hearts, 22 Medals of Honor, 52 Distinguished Service Crosses, 588 Silver Stars and more than 4,000 Bronze Stars.
Have we learned nothing from history? Why are we letting people run our country who are just as ignorant, bigoted, and foolish as those of 1942? Why are we allowing some of our fellow citizens judge people according to skin color or how they spell their last name?
Shame on you, Mac. This country is capable of being better than that. Using “wartime” to justify the arrest and torture of innocent people just doesn’t cut it. Shame on you.
“Roger Rabbit spends a lot of time on his computer.”
How is this any business of yours?
121
You aren’t starting to get reasonable on me, are you Mac?
123
No, it’s because he used his public office to solicit sex — by using a government computer to surf chat rooms, and offering government jobs in exchange for sexual favors.
121 (continued)
But between you and me, I think it’s also because a lot of folks just plain don’t like gays. Men who pursue boys for sex are even less popular. And his hypocrisy didn’t help, either.
127
“You forgot to send some fresh carrots and stew meat.”
Speak for yourself, asshole. Mrs. Rabbit and I contributed $$$ to the American Red Cross.
Goldy: Please release my Tuskegee Experiment post regarding the FDR Administration giving $ypilli$ to black men in the 1930s.
PuddyBud “Tuskegee Experiment post regarding the FDR Administration giving $ypilli$ to black men in the 1930s.”
That is your “great blog entry”?
Holy crap!
Goldy: Please release my post about the religiously fanatical puritan’s burning of innocent people under the guize of “hunting witches” in the 1600’s!
StuckASS: When you read it you may comprehend something. Go back to the 115-123 posts and it will set the tone.
Did you know about the US Govt injecting $ypilli$ into black men to look at the disease outcome without their knowledge. Did you know they did this to 399 men? Did you know these infected black men married and infected their wives and children, and the US turned a blind eye to it for the sake of science? But wait, in the 1930s blacks knew the donkocrats were the party of RACISM! Hence why wouldn’t donkocrats want to kill off black men and their families? If you did already know this, I applaud you for your knowledge of black history perpetrated by liberal progressives on their primary voting constituency. If you didn’t know this, then you still live in the small intellectual prison called liberaland!
StuckASS@147: How can one know if they are going forward if they don’t know from whence they came? I study my people’s history. Maybe you should study the injustices perpetrated by your people’s history on minorities in the name of progressive liberalism! Tuskegee Experiment, Japanese Internment, etc.
Since we’re talking about drinking, for you cluelessASS, here is the koolaid antidote for Able Danger. General Hugh Shelton also admits the program was real!!!
http://www.sacbee.com/content/.....0638c.html – You’ll need to login though!
“Right after I left SOCOM (Special Operations Command), I asked my successor to put together a small team, if he could, to try to use the Internet and start trying to see if there was any way that we could track down Osama bin Laden or where he was getting his money from or anything of that nature,” Shelton said.
“To be candid, there were not many specifics in it,” Shelton said of the later briefing. “There were no names that surfaced that had not surfaced before through normal intelligence channels. There was no identification of any new players, or anything of that type.”
Shelton, though, said that a CIA representative and an FBI representative were present at the second briefing. And he said, “I know for a fact that I was told that they had been a part of the effort” to track al-Qaida through computer data-mining.
But cluelessASS, the FBI said they knew nothing about it. But Louis Freeh wrote something different in the Wall Street Journal link I provided weeks ago. The plot thickens cluelessASS!
clueless@137……wow…you sure are stuck on wanting other people’s things aren’t you?
they are just things…….
they don’t make you a better person, they don’t make you superior…..and here’s the biggest secret of all….
they don’t make you happy.
stop worrying so much about what others have [because you just might be surprised about what they are missing]……your envy is showing and it’s not pretty.
people ofteen think that if they just had this THING or that THING they would be complete.
it doesn’t work that way………but you are definitely sounding like you think it does……
Freep Koresh @ 149
Where were the Republicans on Tuskegee or Japanese Internment? Enlighten us, Freep.
Maybe you should study the injustices perpetrated by your people’s history on minorities in the name of progressive liberalism!
That is pure bullshit, TripleP. Ravings of a loony.
THINGS I AM THANKFUL FOR—-
The greatest thing that ever happened to the Republican Party is Howard “Loose Cannon” Dean being appointed Chairman of the Democratic Party. If you are a Republican, no wonder you believe in God! What a gift Dean is at a time when the Bush Administration desperately needed a boost.
And just for a little “frosting on the cake”, we still have John Kerry shooting his mouth off calling our troops terrorists is the night.
I’m also thankful for clear headed thinkers like Joe Lieberman.
I’m deeply thankful for the loud-mouthed NEW AGE PROGRESSIVE ATHEIST CLOWNS who are getting all the press they deserve in their effort to take Christ out of Christmas.
Just when you start to worry that the LEFTIST PINHEADED CLOWNS are picking up steam, they shit all over themselves in a very public way!
PRAISE GOD!
Praise God for the freedom of these CLOWNS to publicly blah,blah, blah until they shoot themselves repeatedly in the foot.
A lot of you CLOWNS want to silence the opposition. Only my friends who are always RIGHT here on HA, Roger Rabbit and Goldy appreciate the importance of encouraging opposing views. Thank you Goldy….and Happy Hannukah!
Merry Christmas to you Roger!
I’m
Freep @ 151
Dream on. I heard Slade Gorton say the other day that AD was just bad memory on the part of the participants. I see nothing substantial that would fulfill your twisted Clinton-hating fantasies.
Remember the Wall old Freepy…
Here come the wingnut clowns delivering the talking points of the day. Right on cue.
I’m sure the LEFTIST PINHEADS are outraged that President Bush is outfront DAILY on major issues effecting all of our lives. The problem the CLOWNS like Dean have is that they are so self-programmed to oppose and criticize Bush on everything he says, that they expose themselves for the “empty suits” that they are.
Thank you Lord for Howard Dean, John Kerry, Teddy “the Swimmer” Kennedy, Barney Fag, Maxine Waters, Jesse Jackson and of course, TOOKIE!!!! May the be give more and more public opportunities to put one foot in their mouth and the other up their ass into their colons!
CluelessASS another teaser for you: “But under his direction, Shelton said, Gen. Peter Schoomaker, now Army chief of staff, set up a team of five to seven intelligence officers after Shelton was promoted to chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff in 1997 and Schoomaker succeeded him as Special Operations commander.” Right now Schoomaker is not talking. He’s the general who told Shaffer to stand down.
Remember the chart: http://www.peterlance.com/timeline23.htm
I am out of town right now in a more eastern time zone. Able Danger was on CNN, MSNBC, C-SPAN, and FOX News last night – at 6, 7, 8, and 9 pm EST, respectively. Lou Dobbs at 6PM EST had two interviews about it. I know you watch Clinton Network News cluelessASS: transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0512/05/ldt.01.html
But did you read donkocrat Richard BenVeniste’s response to Chris Matthews http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10348418/
MATTHEWS: What about Able Danger? I only got a minute here. There was some talk that we didn‘t quite do what we had the information on.
BEN-VENISTE: That is such a misuse of time in discussing this.
MATTHEWS: So we did get some early warning?
BEN-VENISTE: No. Able Danger is a distraction but ought to be investigated. We ought to have hearings on it. The American public ought to see what Able Danger was about, what it discovered, what it didn‘t discover, why it was shut down and what we ought to be looking at is what the Pentagon is doing in terms of the intrusiveness of its data mining programs: Son of Able Danger, Grandson of Able Danger, the Total Information Awareness Project.
DOBBS: Able Danger, you know the allegations, the fact that the commission ignored it, that Dietrich Snell should have paid more attention to it and provided those reports. How do you react to these charges?
GORTON: Very simply, there’s a puff of smoke and there’s nothing behind the smoke. You know, it all started, Lou, with Congressman Weldon, who came up with a very specific statement that two weeks after 9/11, he gave a chart showing Mohammed Atta as a part of a Brooklyn plot to our deputy national security Adviser.
Is this Gorton’s puff of smoke? upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fc/WTC_aerial_after_attacks.jpg I ask you cluelessASS, why do donkocrats want us to forget this?
No sorry Freepy one. I just have basic cable because I don’t need CNN and certainly don’t need Faux News in my life – unlike you.
There you go again – fulfilling your whacked out fantasies. Old Slade isn’t playing to your script, TripleP.
Bozo @ 156
No sorry clowny, Bush is just trying to dig his numbers out of the doldrums. His friends at Faux News like Gibson have served up a little “War on Christmas” in useless attempt to distract people from the meatgrinder in Iraq otherwise known as “stay the course”.
I saw a documentary called “Purple Hearts” that featured five vets from Iraq – missing limbs, blind, mentally impaired from brain injuries, guts re-arranged – all very patriotic, with no regrets and would gladly do it again. Only one expressed the opinion that we shouldn’t have gone over there.
For what? WMD? Mushroom Clouds? The evil swarthy guy with the mustache? A second front on the war on Terra?
Here’s what a military historian who’s required reading in the U.S. Army Office Corps thinks.
CluelessASS asked:
Where were the Republicans on Tuskegee or Japanese Internment? Enlighten us, Freep. The administration was donkocratic. Roosevelt won by big margins from 1932 through 1944. I don’t have to prove anything to an asshole as you jackASS. If it makes you uncomfortable, good! MLK, JR was right, “Beware the liberal progressive”. That is you cluelessjackASS
Maybe you should study the injustices perpetrated by your people’s history on minorities in the name of progressive liberalism!
That is pure bullshit, TripleP. Ravings of a loony. BULLSHIT? Did blacks put Japanese into Internment camps? Did Blacks inject $yphilli$ into other blacks? CluelessASS, you are one of the three dull knives of ASSes! Aptly named and writes that way!
Comment by For the Clueless— 12/7/05 @ 11:11 am – More like vomit from clulessASS
CluelessASS: Google the Congressional Breakdown from 1933-1945. Your donkocrats had at one time 333 seats of Congress with an average of 288 throughout Roosevelt’s presidential time. You guys ran everything. So STFU. 1930s and 1940s Donkocrats racist assholes!
Goodness cluelessASS you are sooooooo stupid! I am pissed at Slade Gorton for claiming something that isn’t true. Why is he in coverup mode? Now General Shelton is proving Gorton is a liar! Maybe you should leave your Kos induced small intellectual prison and watch the Clinton Network News!!! Oh, you get your informaiton from NPR?
puddy needs valium.
Yes deadlyshoeASS: valium for the BULLSHIT spewed from cluelessASS! I should purchase some OUST! to clear the BULLSHIT from cluelessASS out of the air!
Calm, calm freepster. You haven’t answered my question. Did any Republicans protest Tuskegee or Internment? Maybe some did. Enlighten me. Was it the majority opinion of the R’s? I think not.
Racism cuts across party lines OK? Republicans led this country into depression and the Dems led us out. It was the Dems that pushed and passed the Voting Rights Act and other Civil Rights laws which by the way the Bushies have ignored in the DeLay shenanigans in Texas. It doesn’t excuse Tuskegee and internment but I think it helps explains why the majority of black folks support the Dems.
A while back you blamed the NEA and “liberal progressives” for harboring and abetting a pedophile. That’s loony tune thinking freepster.
Oh by the way, Freepy, dust off Michelle Maglalang’s Regnery book on the internment. You know the one called “In Defense of Internment”. I think you need to give that girl a stern talking to.
@160
Officers in the Army are NOT required to read anything. They do have text materials at their schools and they do have suggested reading lists.
@160
For their buddy, for their team, for their squad, for their platoon, for their company, for their Battalion, For the Army, For their country! For YOU!
149, 150
Yeah, Puddy, I know about that; and I also know that post-war Democrat and Republican administrations sold out the victims of Japanese war-time “medical experiments.” The U.S. government gave these hideous torturers amnesty in exchange for getting our hands on the information they collected from their “experiments.” In the name of national security, of course. Is that disgusting? Yes.
However, I fail to see how this constitutes an argument to vote for a political party that has violated human standards of decency in its conduct of the war against terrorists, botched its military operations in Afghanistan and Iraq, presided over massive corruption at home, and done nothing to address the concerns of ordinary Americans over the stuff of daily living — jobs, incomes, health care, retirement security.
Reply to 153
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But if you really want to do something nice for me, you’ll explain how your washing machine works. I want to know what’s inside it that changes a $100 bill from L & I taxes to Rossi slush funds. I’m still curious about that.
I also want to wish “Happy Holidays” to all our trollfucks, and don’t forget to put up your holiday trees!
Sargeant – after 200 billion+, 2000+ american lives, thousands of body parts and PTS-warped minds and thousands of dead and maimed Iraqis later – are we safer? Is the world a better place?
If you think it was worth it then I’m sorry I respectfully disagree.
One of the soldiers in that film thought we should carpet bomb the whole country and start over. “Better that than a shithole” were his words. You know what? I don’t condemn him in the least for that sentiment. If I were in his shoes I’d probably think the same way.
I save my condemnation for the SOB’s who sent him over there.
Puddy re Able Danger
We’re supposed to swallow this on the word of one wacky GOP congressman? In the total absence of proof? Just because Able Danger is Topic of the Month on all the right wing megaphone blogs doesn’t mean there’s anything to the story. No less an authority than Rumsfeld’s Pentagon has repudiated Weldon’s allegations.
@9 Roger Rodent:
Or better yet: a hitman. Good riddance you worthless piece of unproductive human garbage.
@173
Having wet dreams again?
173 (continued)
I can’t imagine what possesses these trollfucks to think I’ll go away just because they want me to.
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I get off on posts like this, because it shows I’m getting to them. I LOVE annoying trollfucks! When I annoy a trollfuck to the point where they make threats or wish for my death, I’m doing God’s work! Long live Roger Rabbit!!!
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Oh, I forgot to mention, don’t get kicked in the head by a horse the next time you visit Enumclaw. You’re stupid enough as is!
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Nope. I’m getting to you. Thats evident by your many mouth spewings in response almost immediately. I thought maybe you would be out looking for a job; but I was shocked finding you sitting on your fat ass behind the computer all day in your bathrobe as usual. You don’t have the brain capacity to get at me little man.
@171
Yes, I believe it was and is worth it for a lot of reasons that I won’t go into here. I was merely answering your question of “what for” and why soldiers feel that way. If you notice, nowhere in my answer is “for themselves.” In almost all cases, when soldiers who have received medals for valor are interviewed or asked why, they will tell you that they didn’t do anything special, that they were simply doing their jobs. It is sometimes hard to understand why people chose to devote their lives to public service. The pay sucks, the working conditions are hell, the people you serve are rude and thankless, etc…. The military builds comraderie, friendships and a deep sense of loyalty to each other (teamwork). Most of the veterans wounded in hospitals absolutely can’t wait to get back to it! It’s a matter of pride, honor and absolute devotion to each other in the team!
For the Clueless,
My response is hung up somewhere in the filter, must have used a bad word. Goldy will release it sometime.
CluelessASS said: “Dems that pushed and passed the Voting Rights Act and other Civil Rights laws”
BULLSHIT cluelessASS. Once again you prove to the world of ASSes you don’t know SHIT, and all you spew is BULLSHIT.
Did you read the GBS conversation I had with him over the racist donkocratic senators and the VRA and CRA a few months ago? Probably over your head right cluelessASS? The southern donkocratic senators blocked it’s passage. CluelessASS – Full of SHIT!
Al Gore Sr (Al Gore’s Jr.’s daddy), Richard Russell (Russell Office Building in DC), J William Fulbright (Bill Clinton’s mentor), Robert 3K Sheets Byrd (your mentor), 18 in all blocked it.
It was REPUBLICAN Illinois Senator Everett Dirksen and his REPUBLICAN buddies who came to the aid of President Johnson.\
CluelessASS: Not only the dull knife but head DIPSHIT of ASSes!
Yes, yes, here is your standard lefty progressive newspaper cartoon!
http://images.ucomics.com/comi.....051206.gif
Yes, yes another progressive newspaper comic post.
http://americandigest.org/mt-archives/002864.php
Remember today is December 7th. Pearl Harbor.
“The southern donkocratic senators blocked it’s passage.”
You mean the Dixiecrats-soon-to-be-Republicans? like Strom Thurmond and Jesse Helms? Hmmmm… is that who you mean?
You Moron!
184 – freepster, I would hardly characterize obstructionist democrats in the Senate on Civil Rights nor the mad scientists of the Tuskegee experiment as “liberal progressives” as you have done. You are being dishonest but that’s par for the course for you.
Now LBJ had liberal progressive leanings. As for his Vietnam decisions, I have little to no regard for those.
Post all the links you’d like. I ignore them except for the more established MSM kind.
Here is a hate letter written to PFC Joshua Sparling. We who think right know it is not from REPUBLICANS! It is a wacky progressive war protester, probably one of those who liked Hilary Clinton!
Josh was wounded in Iraq on November 20, and by the time he arrived at Walter Reed Medical Center he was almost immediately carted in for surgery. With a down moment he opened up a card which — on the surface — seemed like a patriotic “get well soon” kids’ note, only to open and see it said this verbatim:
Dear, Soldier
Have a great time into he war and have a great time dieing in the war from Solider Miguel
P.S. DIE.
Well ASSes, this is the type of person who supports your cut and run mentality!
So CluelessASS you ignore congressional record posts which talked about the VRA and CRA? Such a jackASS.
Well, PuddyBud, I am sure you really put on your Sherlock Holmes Detective hat to arrive at the conclusion that the sick person who sent that note was a “cut and run progressive war protester”. (and you look so cute in that hat!)
But I did my own detective work and am now convinced the card was sent by none other than:
Karl Rove.
Why? You see the “Solider Miguel” who signed it is just an anagram for “I Sum Oil Ledger”
Proof Positive!
StuckASS@192: Yeah right. Keep dreaming. Just did a Google of your anagram. If that’s what it means, it would be on cluelessASS’ favorite site:Daily Kos, with cursing and swearing. Not there. Then on his next favorite site:Media Matters. Not there either.
Just a figment of the mind (small pea-shaped entry) of StuckASS.
PuddyBud “If that’s what it means, it would be on cluelessASS’ favorite site:Daily Kos, with cursing and swearing. Not there. Then on his next favorite site:Media Matters. Not there either.”
Astounding bit of reasoning Old Boy! You truly are a master off not finding things on the Daily Kos and Media Matters!
Congrats! We can only conclude from your undeniable logic, is that if it is not on Daily Kos, or Media Matters, it cannot be true!
So cluelessASS says he ignores all links except “more established MSM kind”. Well, well, well. Does this include Daily Kos and Media Matters? Doesn’t that statement betray the loyalties of cluelessASS? Earlier on ASSes, didn’t cluelessASS claimed the MSM is not liberal? Yet, cluelessASS being a liberal only trusts established MSM sites? Interesting logic cluelessASS.
I901 – The Feel Gooder’s initiative
Another feel gooders initiative with no (ZERO)$$ for enforcement. No law enforcement agency will make any (ZERO)effort whatsoever to enforce it until one of the feel gooders pisses off one of the smokers and a brawl develops. Guaranteed!
I am not an advocate for smoking indoors, and in fact would have voted for this, except for it’s ever so flawed 25 ft rule. Smokers didn’t mind going outdoors for a puff, but many establishments don’t have a place within 25 feet which they can call their own and set up for smoking. Not smoking inside these establishment was not enough for the feel gooders. 25 feet was the new deal! So they are gearing up for a loss of business big time. So another tax revenue loss to the feel gooders!
It will be a major boon for the New Years celebrations at the local casino’s where you can dine, drink and smoke with almost ZERO taxes heading to the state and NO worry about pissing off a feel gooder to boot. Another Tax loss to the state by the feel gooders!
No more ferry smokin, you can get slammed with beer on a ferry, but don’t go outside for a smoke. The 25 ft rule doesn’t work here feel gooders! 25 knots should pretty well move the smoke away, but severe punishment must be made to the smoking public by the feel gooders! So addicts will now get their last puff in, in their car full of their family and children, just before they board the ferry! Or just drive around where possible and avoid the situation all together. Another Loss of Tax Dollars to the feel gooders.
Cigar Rooms and Cigar Stores? Well now here’s a total put out of business loss of total employment and the tax dollars that the Feel gooders have generated. Cigar Smokers will smoke at home, or on an Indian Reservation, buy online via the internet (www.cigarsinternational.com or other well known sites) or at the Indian reservation….and another massive loss of state tax dollars to the feel gooders.
Smoke eating machines and those that sell, install and maintain them in nearly all bars and smoking establishments….End of employment and business in Washington. Another loss of State tax dollars..to the feel gooders
So Feel gooders I’m going to light up my non taxed Internet purchased Cigar, have a non taxed home brew, and laugh like hell at the feel gooders!
When the Cig, food and drink sales drop at all these places, and the tax dollars that were being counted on don’t show up…..
Call on the feel gooders for relief!
:)–$$$$$$
PuddyBud (looking snappy in his sherlock Holmes detective cap, and rocket ship pajamas) said
The MSM is NOT liberal, but unfortunately it is the only MSM we have. One just needs to filter it for the bias, and experience, and find the truth. Just like the Russians did with Pravda.
195 – I’ll be more precise for the benefit of your limited comprehension – all the links of YOUR ISSUE except for the more established MSM kind. I’ll even click on an occasional Moonie Times link for a laugh – more often than not they depress me.
I made no judgement about any bias in the SCLM to the best of my recollection.
Here is my next summer T-Shirt purchase. http://www.lifelibertyetc.com/product.aspx?pid=5
You see, when our good friend PuddyBud gets caught with his pants around his ankles he does what any good Neo-Con Zombie would.
He changes the topic with a URL no is going to click but other NC Zombies.
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“Nope. I’m getting to you.”
In your dreams. BTW — why should I look for a job? I’m retired. I worked for over 40 years. Paid my dues. “Retired” means you’ve done your time, don’t have to work anymore, so fuck you.
CluelessASS@173: It is now more than Cong. Weldon. Did you miss Gen Shelton admitting Gen Schoomaker knows all about Able Danger? I know you ignored it because it doesn’t fit your argument. Also since the links are from your favorite MSM sites, why are you in ignore mode, unless of course, you be ignorant?
StuckASS@194: That’s not what I said and you know it. Living in your small intellectual prison you infer something that’s not there. But that’s okay. You are a dull knife, so the facts confuse you.
Oh no StuckASS@199. I was adding comedy while playing on liberal themes. You are too dull and senseless to figure it out.
Okay StuckASS@Everywhere: I will start saying the liberal reporters of the MSM. Since the liberal reporters voted overwhelmingly for John “Our Military is Terrible” Kerry, the stories placed on the non-liberal plain paper are liberally biased! Since cluelessASS likes reading articles from liberally biased reporters, his biases shine. For the airwaves, the medium is not biased, but the every day reporters are overwhelmingly supportive of John “Our Military is Terrible” Kerry positions too!
PudyBud, you massively confused friend, reporters do not decide on the news. Editors do. And editors report to their corporate masters.
And corporate masters voted for G.WorstPresident.Ever.Bush.
So you are saying the editors are liberally biased? Editors get lots of freedom, even from their masters. Do you remember the Jayson Blair, New York Times fiasco? Or how So the corporations controlling the editors are liberal? Are you changing your tune from last week?
PuddyBud, I hate to bother you by reading the post you are responding to. But if you had, you would have noticed these facts:
“So you are saying the editors are liberally biased?”
No I didn’t.
“So the corporations controlling the editors are liberal?”
Absolutely not. They are interested only in the corporate bottom line. As they should be.
Any more obvious things you need explained to your very “special” mind?
Really, my friend, PuddyBud, if you are having trouble reading and understanding the posts on HA, have an adult, or legal guardian read and explain them to you.
The NEW AGE PROGRESSIVE LEFTIST PINHEADS OF AMERICA you would think these CLOWNS would have at least learned something from France and other European Countries who FAILED to recognize Germany as the threat they were. France got it’s ASS kicked and the US and England were dumb enough to save these GEEKS!
Did they learn????
HELL NO!!!
Next they let the Russkies and Communists start enslaving millions in their backyard. This time Reagan spends the Russkies to death, saving the French and much of Europe with nary a shot fired.
Now don’t you think that at LOOOOOONNNNNGG last, these CLOWNS would learn and aggressively fight terrorism????
Hell NO!
We have the lameass French and our very own caudre of LENIN’S USEFUL IDIOTS sympathizing with the terrorists! Are we being mean to these KILLERS?? Why don’t we tell the enemy precisely where they are being held prisoner???
Why aren’t we serving these poor prisons bigger servings of “free-range” TOFU with extra sprouts on top???
It’s ridiculous!!
Thank God for Howard Dean and John Kerry!!! Those 2 boobs can screw up a wet-dream!
@196
Well, you had better hope that you own your home if you want to smoke. The Times has an article about business complying with the law. Roger Valdez is the manager of KC’s Tobacco Prevention Program for Public Health and the article quotes Valdez as saying “that condo and apartment buildings are probably not going to be subject to the ban because they are private residences, But the health department might rethink that if it receives complaints from the public.”
A poster on the PI site says that since it passed so overwhelmingly in every county that they should do another initiative banning tobacco even further. Such as: Raise the age to purchase tobacco to 21, Make it illegal to smoke in an enclosed environment (car, house, etc.) when anyone under the age of 21 is present.
I901 already made your house a “public place” if you receive any assistance from the state for most types of social service. So, if your 78 year old mother wants to smoke a cigarette in your home, and the state pays you to care for her, it’s illegal, you have to haul her 25 feet out of your house.
Which again begs the question, since they keep raising taxes on smoking, and seem to be so all dependent on that revenue, there will no doubt be losses in their revenue estimates.
The issue is really not smoking indoors, it is the 25 ft rule that has this thing blown out of site.
Ha Ha gotta love it
212, GS
Yes, you do. You do know that passer-bys can smoke on sidewalks walking by entrances and doors……. while banning anyone inside from going outside and smoking on the very same sidewalk. Maybe the smokers inside should go outside and walk up and down the sidewalks smoking! How do you distinguish between passerbys and patrons outside? What if the passerby stops? I was blown away when I read that King County might try to apply the law to condos and apartments. I wasn’t at all surprised by the more restrictions post. I know they are coming with their guns blazing. Ironic isn’t it that our representative democracy is supposed to protect us from the majority inflicting damage on the minorities. I would vote for reasonable standards, there isn’t anything reasonable about this initiative.
sgmmac, can I put you down as against public initiatives?
Donna
I am starting to believe that, especially after several articles I read on them. Initiatives do sound good, majority rule sounds very fair and democratic. I saw the Snohomish Sheriff on Neil Cavuto on Fox and he said he didn’t have time to enforce this and he said if citizens expect his officers to show up after they call and report a smoker – don’t expect it, he also said he’s gotten some calls from aggravated people wanting to know why he said he doesn’t have time to be the “smoke police,” There are some real legal issues with this initiative. I’ve only voted a couple of times here in Washington State, since I moved here in 2000.