Friday Night Multimedia Extravaganza!

Ann Telnaes: America’s selective righteousness.

Sam Seder: The Hobby Lobby decision is already getting worse.

Rubin Report: Easiest and hardest places to live.

Mental Floss: 20 misconceptions about sex.

Maddow: Why Rick Perry will never be Prez, Part I
Maddow: Why Rick Perry will never be Prez, Part II

Thom: Time to fine-tune Washington’s pot laws.

John Oliver: Antartic tourism.

David Pakman: House may spend more on Banghazi panel than Veterans Affairs Committee.

Boehner, Bachmann & Steinweitz: Attorneys against deadbeat Presidents:

Washington Goes To Pot:

Maddow: Right-wing Republican hypocrisy on prostitution scandals, Part I.
Maddow: Right-wing Republican hypocrisy on prostitution scandals, Part II.

Sam Seder: Fox and Friends humiliated by a child.

Young Turks: Obama is first ‘Jew-Hating’ President claims FAUX News nutjob “hate expert”.

Pap with Digby: Corporate media enables Teabagger oddballs.

Mark Fiore: Blasy the Drone, To Protect and Swerve.

Jimmy Dori: Luke Russert’s stupid tweet.

Sarah Palin’s Comedy Corner:

Sharpton: Boehner unveils bill to authorize his stunt ‘lawsuit’ against Pres. Obama.

Rubin Report: The reality of who actually earns minimum wage.

Grace Parra’s Pretty Strong Opinions: Batten down the snatches:

WaPo: Things to do in Denver when you are Prez.

What’s the Matter With Kansas?

Ed: ‘Obama economic growth’ ruins GOP’s HATE-talking points.

Young Turks: Bob Beckel earns his pay as FAUX News’ clown ‘liberal’ racist.

Pap: The Republican 50 state strategy.

The NSA spying scandal.

Nutburger Immigration Conspiracy Theories:

White House: West Wing Week.

Bill Maher: GOP and FAUX News refuse to stop telling stupid zombie lies about Obama.

Pap with Abby Martin: Blackwater’s criminal history.

Young Turks: ‘Legitimate Rape’ idiot takes back his apology and doubles down.

UCB Comedy: Senatorial Candidate for Human-Dog Marriage.

Ann Telnaes: Pandora’s Hobby Lobby box.

Last week’s Friday Night Multimedia Extravaganza can be found here.


  1. 1

    EvergreenRailfan spews:

    One aspect of I-502, is that it does not change certain Federal rules, like the Motor Carrier Safety rules. So truckers, even if they live and work in Washington, better not be caught using Marijuana.

  2. 2

    EvergreenRailfan spews:

    In France, it looks like railway sector reform is one step closer. This bill, which cleared the French Senate, is an attempt to clear up the mess made by France’s first attempt to comply with the EU mandates on railway sector reform. One aspect, competition, looks like France will wait for the deadline.

  3. 3

    Puddybud - The One The Only spews:

    Ted Nugent has it right again…

    Why do some people smoke pot? To high and forget their troubles for a while! clueless crazed cretin should be high 24×7!

    Would you want your pilot high?
    Would you want your baker high?
    Would you want your barista high?
    Would you want your butcher high?
    Would you want your bus driver high?
    Would you want your mailperson high?
    Would you want your policeperson high?
    Would you want your restaurant chef high?
    Would you want your Whole Foods cashier high?
    Would you want your house building people high?
    Would you want your power station technician high?
    Would you want your Costco food vendor preparer high?
    Would you want the state trooper catching you speeding high?

    Puddy just checking,,,

  4. 4

    Puddybud - The One The Only spews:

    Great economy… Lowest labor participation rate since WWII. Just over 62%! June 288,000 jobs created. 275,000 were part time jobs. 13,000 full time jobs. Where was that information gleaned? Obummer’s Bureau of Labor Statistics. The U6 unemployment number (the real number) sits at 12.1%. Ask worser or Roger ROADBLOCK IDIOT Wabbit or HA’s very own crazed clueless cretin with the crazed HA databaze for the BLS link replays.

    Yes this Obummer economy is “booming” dEaD Schultz!

  5. 5

    Puddybud - The One The Only spews:

    When you are reduced to bringing the third and fourth rate losers along with peeps with only a podcast or special email following… – So special they have to be placed on horsesASSes each Friday!

    Just Google “mediaite msnbc demographics june 2014″. Enjoy the FACTUAL media smackdown!

    And… Puddy brought you this FACT just a month ago… – Are the DUMMOCRETINS at HA part of that paltry five percent?

  6. 6

    Puddybud - The One The Only spews:

    And yet… real news escapes Da Perfessa every day…

    When will Rahmbo learn? Chicago criminals really listen to Rahmbo… Butt, you can’t make a libtard mayor look bad, even when it’s obvious he’s in over his head and clueless; especially when he’s well connected to Obummer…

    The sad reality is that by the time July 4, 2015, rolls around, we will have largely forgotten this past weekend’s violence. We’ve already done so for last year’s Independence Day. The fact that this past holiday weekend was only marginally worse than last year’s was a detail largely missing from much of the coverage this week. Even the Tribune, which provided by far the most detailed coverage of the shootings in real time, failed to mention the comparison in its online report on Monday and made only a passing, vague reference to it in its otherwise-comprehensive front-page follow-up the next day. Likewise, few reports bothered to mention a similar string of shootings less than three months ago that left 9 dead and 36 others injured over Easter weekend.

    And yet this real news wasn’t on the Friday Night Comix! Puddy uses libtard sources to deliver FACTUAL SMACKDOWNS whenever possible. More fun that way!

    Did Al “I can’t Read a Teleprompter” “I’ll Never Apologize for the Tawana Brawley Lie” NoSoSharpton cover it?

  7. 8

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Deficit? What Deficit? We Don’t Care About No Stinkin’ Deficit!

    “House Republicans, who fervently pound the podium against the deficit, didn’t blink Friday at passing a whopping $287 billion business tax cut measure with no effort to pay for or offset that amount. …

    “The 258-160 vote marked one of the largest unpaid-for measures passed by the House in years, but was also the latest sign that tax cuts are at the center of the Republican universe and the ballyhooed deficit fight is not on the same level as a priority.”

    Roger Rabbit Commentary: We already knew Republicans aren’t serious about deficits, so this isn’t news.

  8. 9

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    I’ve reached a point with Republicans where I don’t believe anything they say, because they’re liars and hypocrites through and through.

    The only thing Republicans care about is shoving their agenda down everyone else’s throats, whether it’s bigotry or tax favors for their rich friends or screwing workers.

    If you vote Republican, you’re either a sociopath or insane.

  9. 11


    the third and fourth rate losers along with peeps with only a podcast or special email following…

    Like Mediaite – wow, the ‘leftist’ website that is so popular with our trolls..

    Look how it helped keep a “dope alive” the night President Obama won a SECOND TERM:

    Chuck Todd: Both sides now expect Romney to win Florida – Mediaite!

    Puddy said Jewish vote would be key! Y’all pooh pooh’d Puddy!

    Nothing in the history of these threads has looked so laughably silly and stupid.

  10. 13

    Puddybud - The One The Only spews:

    When HA’s clueless crazed cretin has nothing left… ad hominem attack Puddy! Same MO since 2005!

  11. 14

    Puddybud - The One The Only spews:

    Hey crazed clueless cretin,

    Are you claiming the leftist Mediaite values are wrong? FACTS breeds populatity… maybe why you ain’t so popular here!


  12. 16


    Are you claiming the leftist Mediaite values are wrong? FACTS breeds populatity…

    Notice how the troll defends his source. A source he’s called “leftist” in the past.. Could the troll be LYING about this “leftist” source?

    the third and fourth rate losers along with peeps with only a podcast or special email following…

    Like the “unskewed” pollster:

    What a winner that turned out to be.

  13. 17

    Teabagger spews:

    @3 maybe they should outlaw beer too then….not like you’ve never heard of a drunk pilot or one who just fell a sleep at the controls….you moron. And do you assume that every pot smoking person isn’t responsible, just the gun owners, Everyone of the gun owners are law abiding citizen, until they pull the trigger, then the become wackos according to the NRA

  14. 18

    Teabagger spews:

    @7 it is called commerce, and if there is any illegal activity then it should be investigated and dealt with. But I’d love to hear more specifics to the allegations. And so, you say I am being ripped off, but who isn’t being ripped off by utility companies? I paid $6000 for a 3KW solar system, 20 year lease with the option to extend the lease to 25 years for another $500. That is labor, material and equipment, all be it I don’t own any of the equipment, but think of it as leasing a car – you don’t own the car either. The $6000 includes the rebate value that the leasing company gets, I knew this going into the deal. It includes the labor to install which took 4 men 12 hours to install. That value is $1200 at $25/hour rate…..I can say that I kept 4 people employed for 1 1/2 – I personally created demand for jobs. It also include warranty and insurance – if a jurricane or tornado blows the panels off my roof an they hit or kill a neighbor, they cover it. They are insured at no extra cost to me, via my personal insurance company. I can monitor daily the production of my generating facility which has been producing on average 15 kwh per day in July, for the month of July they have already produced something like 200 kwh of energy. The system is guaranteed to produce a certain amount of energy, if it doesn’t the solar energy company will send me a check for what it doesn’t produce, hey if it is cloudy and rainy 365 days of the year, I still get paid something. And my monthly use of electricity for the month of June, when I didn’t have the panels, was 175 kwh. So for the month of July I’ve already produced more energy than I use…..granted, I’ve relocated to NYC temporarily, and wasn’t home using much power in June. But my monthly bill over the past years has been on the average $75/month….I heat with oil including, at the time domestic hot water was via the oil furnace, but just prior to installing the solar panels, I divorced the hot water system from the furnace and now run it on an electric hybrid water heater. So I will save more money not buying oil to create the how water. I was paying on average $700 a year just to heat the hot water via the furnace. Like I said I use to have a bill every month on average $75 for electricity, now that bill is $0 for July, the system was designed so that my average monthly bill would be $10 per month, the not so sunny winter I will probably have to pay and that’s where the monthly $10 comes from. I will further report on the actuals if you are interested, but I assume you aren’t one to evolve in maturity, but others might be interested.

    So, even as the cost of electricity goes up, I will still be producing it from the free sun and will not have to deal with escalating cost of energy (or highway robbery from the electric companies),

    So I can let the electric companies pull one over my eyes or I can let the solar company do the same. I’m banking on letting the solar company pull one over on me, it hasn’t happened yet.

    And as I produce more energy than I use, I will get a check from the electric company, granted at lesser wholesale rate and not retail rate. I’ll let you know how much that check turns out to be.

    So evolve and do the moral right thing. This is a moral issue, you of all people who preaches the bible should be doing what is morally correct. And I’m saving the earth, you on the other hand are fucking the earth.

    I could go on – the only travesty is that some republican politicians are being persuaded by ALEC to surcharge and TAX, yes TAX, the solar end user, because they feel that I am not paying for the upkeep of the transmission lines. See my power that I sell back to the energy company goes over their power lines. I say ok prove to me what that cost is and I’ll contribute, but maybe I am already contributing because they aren’t giving me full value for the power I generate which they sell at more than what they give back to me, so in essence I am paying for the upkeep of the infrastructure. So FUCK big oil Republicans and ALEC. I bet you didn’t read about fucking that did you crack head.

  15. 19

    Teabagger spews:

    Be responsible and morally correct and do the right thing – go solar – don’t listen to someone who can’t evolve beyond ape.

  16. 21

    Teabagger spews:

    By the way ape man, I got some news for you, because I know you haven’t figured it out yet…..

    Teabagger = Puffy But = Gman

  17. 23

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Which brings up a larger point. Given the propensity of employers to intrude into every aspect of their employees’ lives, you can’t be free and employed at the same time. We’re having serious discussions in this country about passing laws making it illegal for employers to demand other people’s Facebook passwords as a condition of having a job — because that’s exactly what employers are doing.

    If you need a job, you’re going to live under a fascist dictator, aka your boss. The only way to be free is not need a job.

    Some people’s ambition is to get rich. My ambition was to become financially independent so I wouldn’t be dependent on employers for my livelihood. I achieved that goal, and I’m free now.

    If you’re an employer, I don’t care what you pay, because I’m not going to work for you. I don’t have to. I’m a capitalist now. I think everyone should become a capitalist. If you don’t have to work, it doesn’t matter whether the minimum wage is $7.25 or $15, and if someone asks you to take a drug test, you can blow a ring of pot smoke into his face and tell him to take a flying leap.

    Free at last! Free at last! Thank God for capitalism! Thank the Great Mother Rabbit Spirit for stocks! (Puff-puff)

  18. 24


    Let’s see.

    TWO-TERM President Obama wants:

    $3.7 billion to respond to children crossing the border,

    $11 billion to keep highway projects afloat for less than a year

    and $35 billion to revamp the veteran’s health care system.

    OH NOES scream the klownservativies – that muslim kenyan usurper is trying to bankrupt us with 50 billion of pork barrel spending!

    Let’s do a 287 billion dollar tax cut instead!

  19. 27

    Teabagger spews:

    If I did the math correctly you could employ 70,000 people for 10 years installing solar systems if 30 million households invested in solar power. That is just installers. That doesn’t include people that manufacture the equipment, the people that administer the sales and engineering of each installation.

  20. 28


    Now this is what a leader does:

    The newly elected India government of Narendra Modi has announced a suite of initiatives for solar energy across the country that will be partly funded by a doubling of the tax on coal.

    Modi – a long time supporter of solar – has promised a “saffron” revolution that will include ambitious targets for small, large and off-grid solar and a switch away from an assumed reliance on coal as the country seeks to deliver on its momentous task of bringing electricity to the entire country

    India has also invested heavily in nuclear.. She is showing a heavily progressive attitude towards de-carbonization. Good to see.

  21. 29

    Puddybud - The One The Only spews:


    crazed clueless cretin is on a watch this afternoon! What were you watching… time slipping by?

    Puddy uses leftist sites all the time clueless crazed cretin. Well known leftist sites to deliver SMACKDOWNS to your silliness. Still waiting for any of those Mediaite facts to be proven untrue!

    So sit back and grab da popcorn folks… cretin, crazed and clueless will be farting soon leaving racetracks in his tighty whiteys!

  22. 30

    Puddybud - The One The Only spews:

    Now this is what a leader does:

    As opposed to Obummer, not a leader but some community organizer!

  23. 31

    Puddybud - The One The Only spews:

    gleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeman is walking with an empty tea bag and a very puffy butt?

    Who knew? Thanks for playing!

  24. 32

    Puddybud - The One The Only spews:

    Puddy noticed no DUMMOCRETIN will discuss those 275,000 partial employment (part time for crazed clueless cretin) jobs included in the 288,000 June job creation number! 13,000 real jobs…

    Yes, that Obummer economy is floating along. And don’t being up where’s the jobs bills again worser! U was smacked the last time!

  25. 33

    Puddybud - The One The Only spews:


    jackASS – in 2007
    jackASS – in 2008
    jackASS – in 2009
    jackASS – in 2010
    jackASS – in 2011
    jackASS – in 2012
    jackASS – in 2013
    And still a jackASS – in 2014

    You are batting 1.000 jackASS!

  26. 34

    Puddybud - The One The Only spews:

    Puddy doesn’t do drugs you morons. Butt keep that ad hominem attack up too.

    Thanks for the laughs!

  27. 35

    Puddybud - The One The Only spews:

    Until Obummer outlines how the $3.7 Billion will be spent or if Congress creates a specific bill with a plan and Obummer threatens a veto, Puddy wouldn’t give Obummer a red cent either!

    Obummer complains about Republicans not compromising… Obummer hasn’t compromised in a very long time. Obummer decided to ignore illegal alien laws on the books during his first term and so he’s reaping his whirlwind.

    Too bad clueless crazed cretins don’t understand this, whatsoever!

  28. 36

    Puddybud - The One The Only spews:

    gleeman with the empty teabag and puffy butt…

    Golly you are an IDIOT, down there with the jackASS since 2007 and the owner of the crazed databaze! Leasing the solar system does nothing to the house value. When SolarCity doesn’t tell their customers they can buy the system and reap all the benefits… that’s the cost of doing commerce gleeman with the empty teabag and puffy butt? Do tell!?!

    Sux to be you!

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    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @32 Personally, I think that’s 275,000 jobs too many. No one should work for any asshole who would convert a full-time job to a part-time job just to evade the law (i.e. Obamacare). I think what we should do is put those 275,000 people on government transfer payments and tax those employers to pay for it. Ha ha, I’m just kidding, that’s a House Republican joke — you know, the House Republicans who just voted to give businesses $257 billion of new tax breaks with no way to pay for it. The whole Republican Party is a fucking joke, and so are you, Puddy. You’re a very boring comedian who wouldn’t have lasted 20 seconds on the Gong Show.

  30. 38

    Puddybud - The One The Only spews:

    IDIOT Wabbit,

    Never wanted to be on the Gong Show so Puddy sees your delusions grandeur on HA DUMMOCRETINS! So you like jokes eh IDIOT Wabbit? Nancy Pelosi attacking SCOTUS. Harry Reid thinks the SCOTUS is six white guys!

    13,000 full time jobs in June 2014.

  31. 40

    Steve spews:

    Just so you know, (un)SP is still in a coma.

    I check it’s pulse for signs of life so you don’t have to. No, don’t thank me. I consider it to be my civic duty.

  32. 44

    Puddybud - The One The Only spews:


    Harry Reid said 5 white guys for Hobby Lobby. Therefore six white guys on SCOTUS! Come on man, simple ‘rithmetic!

  33. 45

    Puddybud - The One The Only spews:

    Steve, Purveyor of the Stupid Solution wrote

    Teabaggers have degenerated into being nothing but America-hating terrorists, the enemy within.

    Something very wrong with the “thoughts” on your side… Gleeeeeeeeeeeeman, the one with the empty tea bag and a puffy butt claims Christians are the American Taliban… This person you linked to is a “teabagger” because you claim it? Golly Steve, are you still swigging the stupid solution.

    Puddy remembers similar commentary from DUMMOCRETINS like you on HA DUMMOCRETINS about the Ohio dudes and it turned out they were libtards from OWS Racist Fraggy’s Occupy org. And OWS Racist Fraggy NEVER said a peep about these people who think like him! Nevva!

    Ask the purveyor of the crazed databaze for a thread replay. clueless crazed cretin answers to crazed databaze replay requests. The clueless crazed cretin just completed one for gleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeman, the one with the empty tea bag and a puffy butt!

    So Stupid Solution Steve, how do you know this? Or are you dropping down to the mental midget level of gleeeeeeeeeeeeman, the one with the empty tea bag and a puffy butt?

  34. 47

    Puddybud - The One The Only spews:

    Puddy remembers all those screams over no WMD in Iraq… So it’s time to replay Puddy also remembered how Julian Assange, Mr. Wikileaks, was held in very high esteem on HA DUMMOCRETINS. Puddy would add additional links butt this web site throws the message into moderation and by the time the lead DUMMOCRETINS get to it, no one will see it because it’s far gone by then.

    The WaPo originally covered the story here then changed their tune later by removing these two paragraphs… probably due to the whitey house complaining… butt the link still has the original thought content

    Islamist insurgents continued to bear down on Iraqi forces Friday, seizing a former chemical weapons facility once part of deposed dictator Saddam Hussein’s arsenal and battling for control of the country’s largest oil refinery and an airport in the north.

    The al-Qaeda-inspired militants from the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS), who launched a lightning offensive across northern Iraq last week, seized the facility, which contains stockpiles of chemical munitions that are not considered usable, a State Department spokeswoman said.

    Well those are now in the hands of ISIS…

    Butt remember because HA DUMMOCRETINS claim there were no WMD in Iraq, there was no WMD in Iraq… so when the first VX, mustard gas, or sarin attack happens, and people die, and ISIS claims responsibility… HA DUMMOCRETINS will claim it’s all a lie!

    See ya!

  35. 48

    Teabagger spews:

    Puffy taking more hits on the crack pipe. I let you know how many hundreds and thousands I save on my utility bills. Drill Baby Drill, keep fucking the earth, your Bible wont save you, you moron. Try evolving beyond ape status. I don’t plan on selling my house within the next 20 years, but If I do I can’t wait to tell the expected buyer how much they’ll spend on electric bills, or how much they wont be shelling out to the utility company.

    Roll some Coal you Ape.

  36. 49

    Teabagger spews:

    I did a little quick research on Green Energy Money, the link you provided. An apparently the top guy, Charles Cook, at the
    “organization” use to work for one of the biggest electric utility companies. Something tells me the guy is a fraud, trying to discredit Solar energy. Anyways when I save my hundreds and thousands I’ll be thinking of your articles. My system was just turned on 6/27/14, and I haven’t received my first electric bill, I can wait to get it, I’ll let everyone know then what my bill is. Apparently Apes can’t do arithmetic, but if you learn you will find out that when my bill goes from average $75/month to $10/month, I’ll be saving money, regardless who received the tax credit. You see if the end user received the tax credit then the system you buy costs more, so it doesn’t really matter who gets its, so long as it is worked into the purchase or lease price.

    Run along go be immoral and fuck the earth. You probably toss trash out your window to, you Ape.

  37. 50

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    You Get What You Pay For Dep’t

    “A harrowing United Airlines flight Friday over the Pacific Ocean was forced to land on remote Midway Island because of what an FAA official said was an electrical odor on board.”

    Roger Rabbit Commentary: I’m guessing this wouldn’t have happened if American union mechanics maintained United’s planes, instead of outsourcing that work to cheap labor in third world countries.

  38. 51

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Duh-Uh Dep’t

    “From 1978 to 2008, Oklahoma was hit with an average of just two quakes of 3.0 magnitude of greater. As of June 19, 2014, there were 207 such quakes recorded in the state, the USGS said.
    An increase began in 2009 when 20 quakes of 3.0 magnitude or higher occurred, followed by 43 the next year and increasing every year except for 2012. …

    “Along with the USGS, the state geographical survey is researching to determine why earthquakes are happening more frequently. It’s possible that hydraulic fracturing, or fracking, could have played a role in causing temblors ….”

    Roger Rabbit Commentary: A 100-fold increase in earthquakes that just happens to coincide with the advent of fracking — do we really need to wonder?

    For those whose thinking (such as it is) remains shackled to fossil fuels and 5.4-liter V-8 engines, fracking is a godsend. It means (they believe) an inexhaustible supply of cheap gas that we don’t have to buy from Arab terrorists.

    Those of us who actually think (as opposed to pretending to) have come to realize there are a few small glitches with the fracking scenario outlined above. Let’s skip over climate change, which is controversial, and deal with the stuff that isn’t (or at least shouldn’t be) disputed:

    1. Fracked oil isn’t cheap, and never will be, because it takes expensive technology to get it out of the ground. A fracked well costs millions.

    2. Fracked oil is finite. VERY finite. A typical conventional oil well has a decline rate of 1% to 4% a year. Many of Saudi Arabia’s wells have been producing for over 75 years and are still pumping out millions of barrels of oil. Fracked wells, otoh, have decline rates as high as 80% and many of them go dry after just a year or two.

    3. Your odds of having your home damaged by a fracked well are much greater than having it damaged by a foreign terrorist. The scale of earthquakes and water pollution being produced by the fracking industry are the envy of every terrorist organization in the world (“if only WE could do that!!!”).

    4. Sure, the fracking industry creates good-paying jobs — if you happen to be male, young, physically strong, and have specialized oilfield skills and experience, and are willing and able to move from job to job, and live in remote rural locations where there’s no housing or services. But enjoy those jobs while they last, and don’t spend it all in the local cathouse, because they’re temporary jobs, not jobs you’ll be able to retire on.

    Fracking is providing the American economy and trade balance with a temporary boon. It may last for a decade or so. All this is wel and good. But don’t think it’s a permanent solution to our energy needs, because it isn’t. Fossil fuels’ days are numbered, and some of us, at least, need to be thinking ahead or we won’t have a future.

  39. 55

    Sloppy Travis Bickle spews:

    @ 27

    If I did the math correctly you could employ 70,000 people for 10 years installing solar systems if 30 million households invested in solar power. That is just installers. That doesn’t include people that manufacture the equipment, the people that administer the sales and engineering of each installation.

    Well, that might be, as long as the funds to subsidize the 30 million households never run out of money.

    Here’s the problem with that: The fund is paid into by the ratepayers. As the ratepayers gradually adopt solar there are fewer and fewer of them paying into the fund and the fund’s outflows grow greater and greater because of the increasing subsidy.

    Way, way, WAY before 30 years come, that fund is dry, and the promises made can’t be kept. The whole scheme collapses.

    That’s pretty much what happened in Spain.

    Margaret Thatcher’s infamous quote would go well, here.

  40. 56

    Sloppy Travis Bickle spews:

    Here’s how the unfettered math worked out for me:

    My system cost a little more than $19,000, before the incentives and without sales tax (which is another incentive, really). Add back the sales tax and the system comes in a little under $21,000.

    It’s been up nearly a year and I’ll have produced enough kWh to have cut my bill by around $300, annualized, at the current electricity cost per kWh.

    So, using Seattle-area energy rates, the annual value of the energy saved is around 1.5% of the cost of the equipment. This assumes no one ever has to come and repair it, which is a questionable assumption but I can’t refute it at present so I won’t argue it.

    In other areas of the country, where energy rates are higher, the annual value would probably be greater.

    But here, it’s 1.5%. Anything more than that is due to a subsidy from some entity paid into by your fellow man, whether that be the utility, the state fund from which the 54 cents per kWh is paid to the solar owner, the state for not collecting sales tax, or the federal government for giving a 30% credit and accelerated depreciation on 85% of the cost (which is 15% more than the whole system cost, if you deduct the credit).

    You might be saving money but your fellow citizens are paying you. It’s not free money to them and for those of them unable to afford $19k to get the system on the roof, it’s regressive.

    Ask yourself if 1.5% is worth fleecing your neighbors.

  41. 57

    Sloppy Travis Bickle spews:

    Bong Hits 4 Metro.

    On top of the excise tax, people who buy legal marijuana also have to pay sales tax. In Seattle that means King County Metro Transit would collect about 38 cents, and Sound Transit would get another 38 cents.

    Goldy, if you sell T-shirts on Cafe Press with the HA logo on the back, I think you’d do pretty well. You could advertise in The Stranger and Seattle Times. And you’d score at Hempfest.

  42. 58

    Sloppy Travis Bickle spews:

    Goldy @GoldyHA

    If we had shootouts in American football, it would likely involve actual guns.

    Go rent The Last Boy Scout tonite. Close enough.

  43. 59

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @56 The math looks less difficult when you count what our government spends to maintain our access to oil.

  44. 60

    Sloppy Travis Bickle spews:

    @ 59

    Dumbass, until rooftop solar starts running a bunch of cars rather than just the couple of dozen in Seattle that have LEAFs and rooftop solar, it won’t be replacing much petroleum. Rooftop solar reduces home electricity consumption. Home electricity consumption, nationwide, via petroleum product generation is 1% of the US total.

    Maybe you meant coal or natural gas.

    It’s too bad we can’t harness the hot air you produce, RR. Millions of lives might be saved.

  45. 63

    Teabagger spews:

    @55 why do we subsidize big oil companies, there funds don’t seem to run out. Stop subsidizing big oil and send over to solar/wind power.

    Doomsday thinking is all the opposition can ever muster, no facts.

    Kind of like gay marriage is going to ruin society. Please.

  46. 64

    Teabagger spews:

    @55 future funds to subsidize alternative energy isn’t going to stop my system from producing power. Believe me the electric companies are afraid of solar power…..they refer to my house as a generating facility – not so much because it generates electricity for my use, but also for their use and profit.

    And big oil is also afraid.

  47. 66

    Teabagger spews:

    @56 fleecing my neighbors? Not sure why you paid so much. Sounds like you purchased the system out right or have a very large system. Like I said I leased my 3kw system for 20 years for $6000 including labor to install and I guess all taxes. I put down 100% of the cost to lease. I didn’t, I could have put down 0%, but then would have to pay the solar company a monthly fee, kind of like leasing a car and only putting a small portion as a down payment. Regardless, I understand your point that maybe someone else (the taxpayer) paid for the rest.

    Also, not sure why your system is only generating a minimal amount of energy, you didn’t provide specific data.

    My system, for the month of July already has produced 200KWH, approximately 15kwh per day, so times 30, for a month, I figure it will be about 400-450 KWH. Yeah July, aside from June, will probably be the max that it will produce on a monthly basis. But over the year it will produce 3000kwh.

    My monthly use of electricity was 130 KWJH for the month of June. Sounds like I’m going to be getting a better return than you. Please provide the specifics of your system.

    And big oil isn’t fleecing America and having detriment to the environment? Yeah maybe you would like to live with more earthquakes and polluted water.

    I haven’t looked into the amount of money that the government spends on subsidizing oil versus alternative energy but I will. I’ll look into it.

    Do noting – fuck the earth too.

  48. 67

    Teabagger spews:

    Fleecing my neighbor. How about fleecing America. Approximately 5000 dead in Iraq and Afghanistan, over what? Solar Panels?

  49. 68


    the amount of money that the government spends on subsidizing oil

    Here’s one take:

    The value of fossil fuel exploration and production subsidies from the federal government have increased by 45 percent since President Obama took office in 2009 – from $12.7 billion to a current total of $18.5 billion – a side effect of his Administration’s “All of the Above” energy policy that promotes the U.S. oil and gas boom and amounts to nothing less than climate denial. President Obama has repeatedly tried to repeal some of the most egregious of these subsidies, but these attempts have been blocked by a U.S. Congress that has been bought out by campaign finance and lobbying expenditures from the fossil fuel industry.

    I’ll leave it to someone else to come up with a figure on alternative energy. But I’d say it’s quite a bit less. The incumbents usually get more grease.

  50. 69

    EvergreenRailfan spews:

    3)Actually, the bus driver better not be high, as they are probably governed by the same law that allows for drug testing of truckers.

  51. 70

    EvergreenRailfan spews:

    Looks like the UAW is not giving up on organizing the VW plant in Chattanooga. This time, they are going the voluntary association route, hoping that if they get a majority to sign up, that VW will agree to recognize them as the bargaining agent, without an election. No dues will be collected, yet. I believe that VW only did the election to try to appease Tennessee lawmakers. The VW Board is split between Labor and management/shareholders, with one of the latter seats in the hands of the State of Lower Saxony(they own shares), which is currently governed by a Social Democratic/Green coalition.(Just got elected last year)

  52. 71

    EvergreenRailfan spews:

    I don’t know if this has been posted here before. Raoul Wallenberg was posthumously awarded the Congressional Gold Medal last week. It’s a shame we do not know the truth about this Hero who helped save 100,000 Jews during WWII. Russia knows the truth, and will not tell. There were even rumors he was still alive in a Russian Mental Hospital as late as 20 years ago.

  53. 72

    EvergreenRailfan spews:

    50)Good thing that Midway and Wake Island still have runways that are operational.

  54. 73

    EvergreenRailfan spews:

    Looks like the San Francisco Municipal Transportation Agency, which oversees the San Francisco Municipal Railway, is about to give a massive order to Siemens for Light Rail Vehicles. Buying locally, since the Siemens US plant is in Sacramento. MUNI is a legacy system, with a requirement for vehicles that use high floor platforms in the Market Street Subway while the doors need a trap door so passengers can board at surface stops, which except for the T-line, are just like bus stops instead of stations.

  55. 74

    Sloppy Travis Bickle spews:

    @ 66

    My system is 3.4 kW, only a little bigger than yours. Over 60 days between early May and early July it produced 944 kWh, or 472/mo, averaged. It sounds like our efficiencies are similar.

    You paid $6000 for 20 years of solar, by leasing. Not sure what happens afterward – whether it’s dollar out, FMV purchase, or what. You might be facing an unpleasant surprise.

    By purchasing, my system will have paid for itself in fewer than 5 years. I got the 30% Federal tax credit. I’ll get the 85% accelerated depreciation. I got the rebate from the utility. In your case I suspect those went to your installer.

    So, after the utility rebate and the tax credit, I laid out about $5k more, up front, than you did. The depreciation over five years will reduce my tax bill by around $6300, which means that after 5 years I’m ahead of you by $1300 or so with a system 13% larger. Oh, and I don’t face any buyout hassle at the lease end.

    I’m fairly certain that a purchase pencils out better for the buyer than a lease does for the lessee. For long-life items this is typically the case.

    In both situations, pools of funds paid into by people, many of whom cannot afford to do what you and I did, were used to subsidize what you and I did. It’s regressive. Which was my point.

  56. 75

    Puddybud - The ONE and Only spews:

    So now black people are apes you racist piece of shit? Back to that useless meme gleeeeeeeeeeeeeeman, with the empty tea bag and the puffy butt?

    Thanks for displaying your racist DUMMOCRETIN qualities. All Puddy has to do is get under a DUMMOCRETIN’s skin and their racist DUMMOCRETIN tendencies appear front and center!

  57. 76

    Teabagger spews:

    @74 not sure how you figure your system will pay for itself in 5 years. Provide more detail on how you base that on. And if I save about $800 per year, estimated, I will have my system paid for in about 7.5 years. And you keep assuming that there is some type of hidden clause that I will have to pay at the end of the lease. I’m pretty sure it is nothing, I’ll send you my conract, if you wish to know the facts. And I leased for 20 years with option to extend lease to 25 years for an additional $500.

    I wasn’t aware of any depreciation right-off that you speak of, I am only aware of the tax write off for the system. I had an option to purcahse the system, not lease, I think for $12000, and I think the tax credit to the solar company was already factored into the $12,000.

    I’ve already stated that I could have more wisely invested the $6000 elswhere where I would have needed, I think, a 7% annual return to make the same as I am estimated to save over 20 years. But you know what, sometimes it is not about the money, that is where people have to be more responsible, it is a lot about the enviornment too that persuaded me to make this decision. To me it is a moral obligation and moral responsibilty, almost like not throwing trash out the window.

    The following statment doesn’t change you pointing out that other people are paying, but the I also had a decision to not put any money down. The company would have installed the system at $0 down, and then send me monthly payments, and still would guarantee the end user a savings, although the savings is a lot less because when you put no money down they factor in finance charges and you pay more for the system, like I would have paid more than the $6000 over the 20 year period. So you could virtually be poor and still have a system installed on your house, but your savings is substantially less.

    The Sun is free and it helps out the enviornment to go solar. We need to evolve, and not be stuck in the dark ages.

  58. 77

    Teabagger spews:

    @75….didn’t you justify your use of the word fudge packer and directed it at me….and you can’t take the word ape, look it up, it is in the dictionary, has a picture of an animal similiar to a monkey, like all humans use to be. That is my justifcation for calling you an ape, nothing racist about it, unless you want to play the race card.

    Call me fudge packer is fun, right, and part of your religious freedom, and freedom of speech, right?

    Looks like puffy doesn’t like to play.

  59. 78

    Teabagger spews:

    Not that this doesn’t make me a racist, but I spent my Saturday Night having beers with one African American, and two hispanic people, and I had fun.

    You, you are the bigot. And a Taliban.

  60. 80

    Sloppy Travis Bickle spews:

    @ 76

    If your panels are producing 3,000 kWh per year you should be making 54 cents plus the 9 cents for energy not purchased on each of those kwh, That’s $1890 per year.

    If you’re only getting $800 per year, it’s because your installers didn’t use Made In Washington panels and/or inverters, they installed the Chinese-made stuff more likely to have problems, so your payoff is smaller, and you’re not supporting the Washington solar manufacturing industry because you let them install foreign-made, inferior-quality components. Jay Inslee would be ashamed of you.

    You didn’t investigate write-offs, you didn’t investigate manufacturers (either that or your math really, really sucks). You don’t own the system even after 20 years. You probably don’t own it after 25 years. You’re a living, breathing recurring revenue stream.

    One born every minute. At least.

  61. 81

    Teabagger spews:

    I see Puffy ran away again….he likes pulling that race card but loves being a bigot, he sees no problem with it. Evolve Puffy, Evolve.

  62. 82

    Teabagger spews:

    @80 – how do you even come up with the fact that my system should be producing 0.54 + 0.09 per kwh? There is no way your system is getting you $2000 per year or close to….send me the proof of how you figur that out. You are now bullshitting you way out of this.

    One born every minute. I’m not falling for your bullshit.

  63. 83

    Teabagger spews:

    if your system is benfitting you $2000 per year, then I don’t know how you can even come out against it. Not sure how much you pay for power but, my yearly electric bill was only about $800 per year, not sure how I am suppose to save $2000? I’m not falling for your bullshit.

  64. 84

    Teabagger spews:

    Maybe you a hard to comprehend….I never once claimed that I own anything, contrarily I’ve always stated that I am leasing for 20 years with option to extend lease to 25 years for an additional $500. And no gimmicks, I don’t owe the solar company one more penny, anytime during the lease period or after. Send me your address and I will send you the contract.

    Sounds like your system is a lot older, and more costly at that time. Sounds like you got ripped off. In your first comment to this subject matter you stated you paid $19000…..was that a typo?

    I don’t believe any of your bullshit. Tell me were you duped into doing this, why in heavens did you event enterain solar if you are so smart. What made you change your mind on the value of it today, did someone pull the wool over your eyes? Did someone force you to do it? Now you have regretts? Sounds like you weren’t as smart today as the day when you made this decision to go solar. Sounds like if someone else is getting a better deal than you, that if bothers you even more.

  65. 86

    Sloppy Travis Bickle spews:

    @ 82

    Jesus H. First we have Better under the impression that job loss ranges estimated by the CBO if a national minimum wage increase were to go into effect might be a ‘corporate lie’.

    Now we have Teabagger/Puffy Butt/Gman, fresh from committing over 20 years to lease a solar system by dropping $6,000 up front, not realizing just how much money he gave up by letting some out-of-state company:

    1. Take the federal tax credit
    2. Take the utility rebate
    3. Capture the accelerated depreciation
    4. Stick Chinese-made inferior-quality panels on his roof, which cost them less to install but deprives him of the maximum payback he could have realized.

    Here ya go, ‘bagger:

    Here’s my math:

    54 cents incentive paid to me for every kWh the solar panels generate.

    Add to that the 9 cents per kWh I don’t have to buy from the utility because it was generated on the roof.

    That’s 63 cents. Multiply that by 3400 kWh, about what was produced, and I get $2,142.

    Teabagger, there’s one saving grace: I do have to apologize for accusing you of taking so much money from your fellow rate-payers. Seems you were not sufficiently aware of the program to maximize your payout from the utility fund others are forced to pay into. So you left the lion’s share of what you could have been paid to others. Very generous of you.

    Good luck with your system.

    I hope there’s nothing combustible anywhere near those panels on your roof.

  66. 87

    Teabagger spews:

    @80 why investigate the write-offs when I knew I wasn’t getting them, the Solar Company is getting them.

    So your tax write-off was $7000 or $9000(if taxes factored in).

  67. 88

    Teabagger spews:

    @86 none of the links worked.

    And not sure, maybe if the energy in Italy cost $4000 per kwh, then you would be saving a lot.

    I had option purchas outright for $12000 or lease $6000 for 20 years. Why buy, when solar panels loose their efficiency like 1 or 2% per year. In 20 years, I don’t want the panels on my house. They’ll come remove them for free.

    I see this is getting under your skin – you must be losing the argument. Why don’t we just close with you responding to why you did it, and why you are not necessairly promoting the use of solar now. Why the fuck did you do it? Or you going to run away like Puffy?

  68. 89

    Sloppy Travis Bickle spews:

    @ 88

    You got me. I lose, you win. I give up. Anoint your self ‘Bagger, Slayer of sloppy serial conservatives everywhere.

    You should publish your approach to mathematics and investing on Seeking Alpha. I think Roger Rabbit could learn an awful lot from you.

  69. 90

    Teabagger spews:

    You ever hear of a lease of the Chevy Volt….Chevy does the same thing the offer a lower monthly payment because they take the tax credit….Same thing is happening today when you buys certain energy efficient equipment.

    What difference does it make if I spend $12,000 and get back a tax credit of $6000 or if I pay $6000 instead of $12,000. Maybe you think there is some difference, and if there is some minsicule difference of appreciation or devalue or whatever the fuck, I don’t give a crap!

  70. 91

    Teabagger spews:

    @89 I don’t want to win…I want an asswer to the question that you are afraid to answer. Why did you do it? And why the change of heart? Did you smarten up or just confused?

  71. 93

    Teabagger spews:

    just happen to find this after the fact. For anyone following the energy comments.

    Trickle dreaming shit up on 45 cent/kwh….he links to a link that doesn’t open.

    Learn About Tableau

    By STEPHEN BUSEMEYER | The Hartford Courant

    Connecticut residents spend more on energy per month than residents in every other state except Mississippi and Hawaii, according to a recent report.

    The state’s high electricity costs — at $143 per month, second only to Hawaii — pushed monthly energy costs above $404 on average, according to the report from

    The lowest monthly energy costs in the nation are in Colorado, according to the report.

    This came from the Hartford Courant

    Connecticut residents pay an average of 19.87 cents per kilowatt hour of electricity, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration. Hawaii residents pay 38.08 cents. The national average for residential electricity is 12.31 cents per kilowatt hour, according to the EIA.

    The report calculated a state’s total monthly energy costs by looking at each state’s average monthly consumption of electricity, natural gas and gasoline and multiplying by local prices. It did not include heating oil.

    Boy did I bag him…..!

  72. 94

    Puddybud - The ONE and Only spews:

    You screw a woman up the butt you are a fudge packer, fudge packer! IDIOT!

    Sux to be you gleeeeeeeeeeman with the empty tea bag with a puffy butt.