Drinking Liberally — Seattle

We had a great turn-out at the special debate edition of Drinking Liberally last night—a lot of new faces. Tonight we’ll have our regularly-scheduled gathering. Please join us for an evening of politics and conversation over a pint at the Seattle Chapter of Drinking Liberally.

We meet every Tuesday at the Montlake Ale House, 2307 24th Avenue E. Starting time is 8:00pm. Some people show up earlier for Dinner.

Our gatherings are informal. If you show up and don’t immediately recognize the pack of liberals, ask a bartender or server.

Can’t make it to Seattle tonight? You have options. The Tri-Cities chapter also meets tonight. On Wednesday, the Burien and Bellingham chapters meet. And on Thursday the Woodinville chapter meets.

With 233 chapters of Living Liberally, including fourteen in Washington state, four in Oregon and three more in Idaho, chances are excellent there’s a chapter that meets near you.


  1. 1


    Poor trolls – not even the Faux News manipulated panel could hand a victory to Willard.

    It don’t matter! It don’t matter! It don’t matter! Willard will save the economy! – bleat the stooges.

    Obama will bring back growth too dumbasses. If only Republicans will get out of the freaking way.

  2. 2

    Politically Incorrect - free minds, free markets, free people spews:

    Fox News says Romney won, MSNBC says Obama won. Victory in a debate, like beauty, appears to be in the eye and mind of the observor.

    It matters not to me: I wrote-in Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich, just like I said I would months ago.

  3. 3

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @2 “I wrote-in Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich”

    Which proves you’re even dumber than we thought! I wouldn’t let either of those guys manage my small-change jar, let alone my stock portfolio, and not even mentioning a national economy.

  4. 4

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Donald Trump, apparently aiming for the title of Biggest Laughingstock Of All Time, is promising us a “huge game-changing” announcement tomorrow about President Obama.

    He has proof Hawaii isn’t a state?

  5. 5

    czechsaaz spews:

    So Fox News got its highest rating EVER last night of 11.5 million viewers. (Heard on radio and don’t feel like digging into the Nielsen site to confirm.)

    So less than 10% of the number of folks who voted in 2008 were ‘informed’ that Willard had a good night.

  6. 6

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    CNBC: Bernanke To Leave Fed

    CNBC reports the Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke doesn’t want to serve beyond expiration of his current term in 2012.

    CNBC says Erskine Bowles (of Simpson-Bowles Commission notoriety), a former Bill Clinton chief of staff, is way up on both Obama’s and Romney’s short list for Treasury Secretary. Identifying the next Fed chief is trickier, but under Obama the leading contender may be Timothy Geithner, the current Treasury Secretary, and if Romney wins it’s likely that Glenn Hubbard will get either Treasury or Federal Reserve. Hubbard, who chaired Dubya’s Council of Economic Advisers and is currently dean of Columbia University’s graduate business school, is Romney’s top campaign economic adviser.


  7. 7

    Jerry spews:

    So do tell us how many thousands you made in the market today. Seems like virtually all the stocks you’ve indicated that you own are down today so it’s gonna take a real whopper on your part to convince use you made $$ today sitting on your tail. But just for yucks, let’s hear it Roger Rabbit.

  8. 8

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    The DJIA dropped 243 points today. I think this is the start of a 5% to 7% correction. Stocks have gone up relentlessly since June 1 in defiance of slowing economies and weaker corporate revenues and earnings. Intel, which I bought yesterday, is up a few cents today. Microsoft also is up a few cents today. I don’t like Microsoft and don’t own it.

  9. 9

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    October Surprise

    Oil prices are plunging, and dropped another $2 today to the $87 level, just in time for pump prices to start falling right before Election Day.

    I have no fucking idea how Obama pulled off this caper, given that presidents ordinarily have little or no control over oil prices.

    Maybe Donald Trump will explain it to us tomorrow. He’s usually on top of conspiracies.

  10. 10

    Michael spews:

    Donald Trump is to claim that he has unearthed divorce papers of Michelle Obama and the President, according to a respected financial pundit with links to the tycoon.
    It is alleged that the eccentric real estate mogul will claim that the documents show the First Lady and the President were at one point in their two decades of marriage seriously considering splitting up.
    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new.....z2A9lM8uBz

    Trump’s been divorced 3 times.
    The Obama’s have been divorced 0 times.
    Make of that what you will.

    If the Obama’s had almost split up at one point how is that shocking news? Lot’s of marriages end in divorce, a whole bunch more come close.

    It’s like NEWS FLASH: The Obama’s are a normal, mortal, couple.

    More lying bullshit and hype with no substance from the right. Have I mentioned that I’m sick of this shit?

  11. 12

    czechsaaz spews:


    I have a family law practitioner in my immediate family. He’s actually really well known in the field. You can choose to believe it or not.

    If such papers exist they would have been filed in Superior Court and a matter of public record and unlikely to remain hidden in 2008. Or, if they were drawn and never filed, some attorney is risking disbarment by making them public.


    But that’s cool. I could use another round of scrutiny into the fraud that is Donald Trump. How do you go from being a billionaire to a millionaire? Have Daddy get you into the Ivy League, go into business, lose nearly all of it in real estate, file bankruptcy multiple times and then go on reality TV and pretend to be successful because without the appearance fee you’d have a very small pot to piss in left of Daddy’s fortune.

  12. 13

    rhp6033 spews:

    Sounds like Trump is trying to pull out one of Rove’s old tricks: the “October surprise” (usually at the end of the month) to give the opponant little time to refute it. Notice that it’s given just AFTER the debates so it can’t be addressed by the Obama campaign during the debates.

    Of course, Trump is just a minor celebrity who withers when he’s not constantly in the media. His claims to the size of his fortune are mostly based upon his own guess as to the publicity value of his name.

  13. 14

    Michael spews:


    I know Trump’s full of shit. But, what gets me is that even if he was right, so what? OMG, the Obama’s are a normal family with all the normal struggles! Wouldn’t being able to work through your problems and save your marriage make you look better, not worse?

  14. 15

    czechsaaz spews:


    Channeling my inner Puddy…

    Clearly all those months of secreting out the prayer mat at noon to face Mecca have paid off.

    Either that or Saul Alinsky and Reverend Wright have stopped using gas using and brought the demand down.

  15. 16

    rhp6033 spews:

    Notice the story is being touted in Murdock’s tabloid, the Daily Mail. All the “usual suspects” seem to be involved.

  16. 18

    czechsaaz spews:


    Yup, his “Hey look at me, I’m relevant over here” episode is going to be no big deal and maybe even a fraudulent no big deal.

    Time to get a Pizza and a fork.

  17. 19

    rhp6033 spews:

    As for the subject of divorce….

    I can honestly say that although my wife and I have had disagreements over the years, we have never considered divorce.

    Murder, yes, but divorce, no. (Old joke).

  18. 20

    Harry Poon spews:

    re 15: “Does anyone on this planet still listen to Donald Trump?”

    It’s rumored that Corbin Bernsen does, but you can’t believe anything that you read on the editorial page of the Wall Street Journal.

  19. 21

    ArtFart spews:

    @6 ” Identifying the next Fed chief is trickier, but under Obama the leading contender may be Timothy Geithner”

    Thanks a lot, Roger…you just made me lose my lunch. Not that Romney’s guy would doubtless be even worse, but at the rate we’re going the country will eventually be renamed the United States of Goldman Sachs.

  20. 24


    If Romney should be disqualified because he cut the hair of a defenseless kid when he was a teenager, then should Barack be disqualified if he smacked Michelle around some?

    If there are divorce papers, it’s not the act of filing, but what’s contained in the papers, that might be germane.

  21. 25

    Michael spews:

    If Romney should be disqualified because he cut the hair of a defenseless kid when he was a teenager, then should Barack be disqualified if he smacked Michelle around some?

    Got any proof that Barack actually did that? No, no you don’t. What you have is the same thing you’ve had since the day you showed up here: nothing.

    I’d say you’re probably going to look really stupid in the morning, but you already look stupid.

  22. 26

    Michael spews:

    Have I mentioned that I’m sick of hearing smarmy, lying bullshit from the right? That’s all they’ve got left.

  23. 27

    czechsaaz spews:


    But that’s why if they exist they’re as fake as the birth certificate. If they were filed, they’d be easy to find in a Lexis/Nexis search. If not then the attorney who prepared them would have to hate Obama so much that disbarment and a large indefensible civil suit are a small price to pay.

  24. 28

    Michael spews:

    If there are divorce papers, it’s not the act of filing, but what’s contained in the papers, that might be germane.

    If the papers were filed they’d be public record, possibly sealed but we’d know they existed. If the papers exist, but haven’t been filed they’re probably covered by some sort of non-disclosure or confidentiality law.

    It’s all bullshit. But, we’re sitting here talking about this bullshit instead of how Romney got his ass wooped last night, so I guess it’s mission accomplished for Trump.

  25. 29


    then should Barack be disqualified if he smacked Michelle around some?

    Hmmmm. Is this what Bob means by “quality face time” with his own wife? Is this a slip?

    No wonder it’s only “an hour or two”.. “Busy” must mean: avoiding Bob.

  26. 30

    Michael spews:

    And remember folks,

    Capitalization is the difference between helping your uncle Jack off a horse and helping your uncle jack off a horse.

  27. 31

    Jerry spews:

    Hmmm, I wonder if Michelle requested a restraining order or accused him of some stuff?
    I understand that allegations in the midst of divorce talk can happen. Have seen it happen to friends. Not much fun and often there is a trail of legal documents.
    Will it be relevant??
    I guess The Donald needs to put up or shut up.

  28. 32


    Hey, it’s all rumor and innuendo at this point in time.

    I totally agree. All we know is what we know.

    All of you had great fun with the salacious stuff that came out about Cain, Gingrich, etc.

    NYT ran with a story alleging friendliness between McCain and a lobbyist. That’s all they had in December, 2007. Friendliness. Anonymous sources, none of whom saw them get a room or anything.

    McCain tried to stop it from being published. He was not successful.

    What goes around, comes around.

  29. 33

    rhp6033 spews:

    #29: Another attempt at false equivilancies by our resident troll Serial.

    Cain had at least one (perhaps more – my memory of the primaries is a bit dim) women make direct, first-hand accusations against him.

    As far as Gingrich is concerned, his divorces are well documented. And he had the temerity to claim that it took “courage” for him to have an affair with an intern (subsequently his third wife) while he was pretending to be outraged about Bill Clinton’s immorality. Gingrich made morality an issue – he has to live with the completely predictable consequences.

  30. 34

    rhp6033 spews:

    In the meantime, I bet I could come up with some convincing legal paperwork which looks like a draft of a divorce petition and accompanying paperwork, alleging Ann Romney sought a divorce and temporary restraining order against Mitt. Heck, I’ll even throw in the Seamus story. My word processing program has a quick “legal” template I could use to create such a document.

    Since it was never filed, it doesn’t even have to be signed.

    Then I could send it to left-wing websites trying to get them to blog about it, so that some news outlet eventually picks it up.

    See how easy that is? But I won’t do that, because I’m constrained by a little matter of the facts. I don’t pull “facts” out of my nether regions, as quite a few right-wing pundits do (O’Reilly, Hannity, Limbaugh, etc.)

  31. 35


    @ 30

    That’s one way of looking at it. The other is the degree of mirth expressed by those on HA at the troubles of others.

    After refusals of transcripts and other items relative to Obama’s earlier life, if something more recent pops up and if it creates in the first family some level of unease, I won’t be shedding a tear for them.

    The question of why things didn’t come up earlier – 2008 – is a good one. I do recall that Obama has spent some time this year making fun of The Donald.

    I suppose there are some billionaires you just shouldn’t fuck with.

  32. 38


    This is too funny:

    Willard from last night’s debate:

    Come on our website. You look at how we get to a balanced budget within eight to 10 years. We do it by getting — by reducing spending in a whole series of programs.

    And then:

    The president hasn’t balanced a budget yet.


    Upshot: the white guy gets “eight to 10 years” and the darker guy doesn’t even get 4.

  33. 39

    Steve spews:

    Hmm, I wonder.., has Mitt figured out yet that Iran doesn’t need Syria to have access to the seas?

  34. 40


    @ 38

    Upshot: the white guy gets “eight to 10 years” and the darker guy doesn’t even get 4.

    Or, Romney was referring to his balanced budgets as governor of MA and in business, while Obama has no prior experience either as a political executive or running a large company and so hasn’t yet balanced a budget in professional life.

    Buy why consider the likely meaning of Romney’s words when you can accuse him of racism?

    Add YLB to the list of HA libbies planning to dress up as Chris Matthews for Halloween.

    You’re right about one thing, tho, YLB. Obama will only get four 4. We’ve seen enough.

  35. 41

    Steve spews:

    @37 Oops, that was supposed to be “@29″.

    So, in other words, Bob gives Lib Sci more time each week than he does his own wife.

    Love the databaze, YLB.

  36. 42

    Steve spews:

    What’s with Republicans and their problems with basic geography? No wonder they have a record of invading the wrong countries.

  37. 45

    Liberal Scientist is a Dirty Fucking Socialist Hippie spews:

    @37 Oops, that was supposed to be “@29″.

    So, in other words, Bob gives Lib Sci more time each week than he does his own wife.

    Love the databaze, YLB.

    Thanks, Steve, that’s hysterical. What a putz. I’m really looking forward to Nov 7 and the evaporation of the good doctor.

  38. 46

    MikeBoyScout spews:

    Hi Darryl,
    Hey Kap’n Kornflake and I are still waiting for the selection of your designated charity.

    If you are stymied, may I suggest our local USO.

    And when you’ve made your selection, please ensure I get a good mailing address from you.

  39. 47

    Piltdown Man spews:

    maybe Allred and Trump should go fuck each other in a closet.

    They both seem to be a bunch of self aggrandizing assholes/bitches.

  40. 49



    First, I have not gotten an email from you. And my email to the email address you leave with comments bounced. I’ve updated my email address to something that should be more reliable.

    Second…charity: Northwest Harvest.

  41. 54

    MikeBoyScout spews:

    Funny thing about the debate last night….

    Everyone has had a grand chuckle over Slick Willard’s failure at junior high geography last night when he uttered the hilarious

    Syria is Iran’s only ally in the Arab world. It’s their route to the sea.

    Was it a flub because he was nervous at the debate?

    Well, no.

    Slick Willard has long believed that Iran, a nation with 1,500 miles of coast line, needs a “path” to the sea which would go through a county with which it shares no border; Syria.

    Romney and Iran’s ‘route to the sea’
    Posted by Glenn Kessler at 10:00 AM ET, 04/19/2012

    a reader counted at least five times in which Romney has used this phrase, including in the Feb. 22 debate, at last month’s American Israel Public Affairs Committee annual conference, in a TV interview (MSNBC, Dec. 21), on the radio (Kilmeade & Friends, Feb. 14) and even in a Washington Post interview (Feb. 10).

    Considering that Syria shares no border with Iran — Iraq and Turkey are in the way — and that Iran has about 1,500 miles of coastline along the Persian Gulf and Gulf of Oman, leading to the Arabian Sea, the reader wanted to know: What’s Romney talking about?

    Such an idiot.

  42. 57

    MikeBoyScout spews:

    And while it was all good fun for Obama to poke fun a Slick Willard’s ridiculous comparison of the US Navy in 2012 to the US Navy in 1919, I want to point out another thing Slick Willard and his national security team don’t know, and it has to do with “Iran is the greatest national security threat we face

    As I mentioned above, Slick Willard is severely challenged when it comes to geography for our ‘greatest threat’.

    But when you’re talking about the Navy and Iran in 2012, how are you completely unaware of this
    US, allies gear up for largest ever naval exercises in Persian Gulf, as Iran says it will watch

    Gekko/Galt is the anvil
    We are the HAMMER!

    Hammer it home

  43. 58

    Mitt The Twit spews:

    40. Serial conservative spews:
    Or, Romney was referring to his balanced budgets as governor of MA

    This is so funny.
    Balanced budgets are mandated by the MA state constitution.

  44. 60

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Now we know why Mitt didn’t spout the neocon line at last night’s foreign policy debate: The neocons told him not to.

    “For anyone wondering why Mitt Romney avoided drawing any distinctions between his foreign-policy plans and those of Barack Obama last night, this should clear it up. This is the advice he’s getting from the Republican Party foreign-policy elite, which remains largely composed of neoconservatives.

    “They clearly realise that, their own preferences notwithstanding, most American voters are not interested in a more confrontational foreign policy that runs the risk of entangling America in further conflict in the Middle East. So they’re dialing it down for the remainder of the campaign.

    “Does this indicate that Mr Romney would, as president, be less confrontational abroad than he sounded in his campaign for the Republican nomination? If he continues to follow Bill Kristol’s advice on foreign policy most of the time, I doubt it. …

    “We know what Mr Kristol’s foreign policy looks like. On Iran: ‘It’s long since been time for the United States to speak to this regime in the language it understands — force.’ On Syria: ‘(T)he United States—working with European allies, Turkey, and other regional partners — should advance a new strategy that uses combined airpower to impose a safe zone in northern Syria.’ On Afghanistan: ‘(T)o say we’re ending our war on schedule means we’re not fighting our war to win. ‘

    “This is the neoconservative foreign-policy prescription. It hasn’t changed just because they’ve recognised that their candidate needs to appear conciliatory and say the word ‘peace’ a lot in order to get elected.”


    Roger Rabbit Commentary: Now you know the real reason why Romney used the word “peace” so much. Kristol told him to. And if you believe Romney has stopped listening to Kristol, or that Kristol’s agenda has changed, then I have a bridge in a major east coast city that I want to sell to you.

  45. 61

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Bottom line: Neocons like Kristol told Romney to peddle himself as a peace candidate so he can get elected and then implement their warmongering agenda.

  46. 62

    Mitt The Twit spews:

    Speaking of of Mitt’s Governorship…

    During his 4 years Mitt used the veto over 800 times.
    And was overridden over 700 times.
    Most of the successful vetoes were not challenged.
    99% of the house challenges overrode Mitt’s veto.
    100% of the senate challenges overrode Mitt’s veto.

    Mitt left office with a 34% approval rating.

  47. 64

    Mitt The Twit spews:

    Did Mitt get writer’s cramp from all those vetoes?
    Only his masseuse knows for sure.

  48. 65

    Michael spews:

    God made me rape you.

    Richard Mourdock said Tuesday that pregnancy resulting from rape can be “something that God intended to happen.” The comments came during a debate. “I came to realize life is that gift from God,” he said. “And I think even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape, that it is something that God intended to happen.”

    These guys get denounced every time, but the fact of the matter is that this isn’t anything new. If those denouncements we hear from fellow Republicans meant anything at all these guys wouldn’t still be in office.

  49. 66

    Michael spews:

    Nice endorsement Mr. Romney!

    Republican presidential hopeful Mitt Romney is extending his political coattails to Indiana Senate candidate Richard Mourdock in a new ad, but the race against Democrat Joe Donnelly remains a big-money, high-stakes stalemate two weeks before Election Day.

    In a new ad airing statewide, Romney accuses Donnelly of supporting Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi’s “agenda” in Washington and calls Mourdock “the 51st vote” needed to repeal the federal health care law.

    What a fucking douche nozzle.

  50. 67

    Puddybud spews:

    Wow, look at those Intrade Odds Obummer 54.0 Romney 45.7. That’s amazing…

    Guess greg has stopped screaming over those Intrade values!

  51. 72

    Puddybud spews:

    While reporters cheered in the ante-room off the debate over Obummer’s Navy and Bayonets comment, focus groups around thought it was petty. In the CBS focus group, Romney cleared the Commander-in-Chief bar on that comment. Frank Luntz’s focus group also felt that way.

    Seems it BACKFIRED on Obummer with independents. When you act like a BiteME you get bitten!


  52. 73


    Darryl @ 71

    Pain heals. Chicks dig scars. Glory lasts forever.

    Wednesday, October 24, 2012

    With just two weeks to go until Election Day, the race for Ohio’s 18 Electoral College votes is a tie.

    The latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of Likely Ohio Voters, taken the night after the final presidential debate, shows both President Obama and Mitt Romney attracting 48% of the vote.


    OK, four years, anyway.

  53. 74


    Leader of the Free World. Shamed by a midwest newspaper.

    Mark Knoller

    Obama Campaign’s Jen Psaki just said Des Moines Register given OK to report on off-the-record conversation yesterday with Pres Obama.

    Talk about own-goal. Meet with the editorial board and insist it be off the record?

  54. 75


    Mr. Eastwood, in an e-mailed statement, explained his motives. “I did the ad because I’m concerned for our country,” he said. “I really believe Mitt Romney is the kind of leader we need right now. He’s an experienced businessman, and he knows how to work with people to fix problems. It’s time to give someone else a chance to fix our country.

    The ad starts running Wednesday in seven states: Colorado, Florida, Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire, Ohio and Virginia.


    Scarlett who?

  55. 77


    Asked whom they trust on the economy, 50 percent of likely voters say Romney while 45 percent side with the president. That’s the first time this fall that either candidate has had even an apparent edge on the clear No. 1 issue on voters’ minds. Political independents break for Romney by a 12-percentage-point margin on the subject, a high for the campaign.


    Twelve points. D + 5 sample has Romney up over Obama, first Romney lead since before the conventions.

  56. 78


    Turns out there are explanations for Romney’s odd claim of Syria being Iran’s route to the sea.



    Oh, and WaPo’s Pinocchio rating on Romney’s statement:

    The fact that Romney has used this confusing phrase at least five times suggested that the term was not an accident. But the Romney campaign’s explanation is not especially satisfying.
    Still, at this point, we don’t think this is worthy of a Pinocchio rating — unless we create a category for weird language. We welcome readers to help us watch if Romney says this again.

    Granted, what Romney said is more difficult to comprehend than “Yes We Can”.

    Sometimes life is that way. Sorry, Doctor Steve.

  57. 79


    Desperation shows its ugly face in many ways.

    “The Obama organization did the single best job of destroying a candidate I have ever seen in my career, from May to September,” said pollster Peter Brown, who conducts the Quinnipiac University poll of battleground states.
    “But that all went out the window when Romney showed people that the caricature of him as a clown was false. … Now he’s got to make the case for himself. If he was ahead now, my guess is he wouldn’t have taken the chance of putting all of this out there.”


    But other Democrats wondered whether the gesture comes too late.
    Maybe it’s not too late, but wouldn’t it have been cool to have a great document put out the day after the convention when everyone was riding really high, instead of now?” asked polling analyst Erica Seifert, who wrote several memos with Carville and Greenberg urging Obama to define his second-term agenda more clearly.

    Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/s.....z2AEC1MjN2

    Think of all of the critiques of Romney for being short on specifics.

    Why is Obama not as aggressively criticized for the same shortcomings, HA libbies?

  58. 80

    kim jong chillin spews:

    Oh noes….jz knight caught doing some hatey speech, then writing checks to demorat candidates…..

    Time for the spin!

    Nuts attract nuts!

    Clinton-ramtha 2016!