Drinking Liberally — Seattle

DLBottlePlease join us tonight for an evening of politics, conversation and birth certificate scrutiny over a pint at the Seattle Chapter of Drinking liberally. We meet every Tuesday at the Montlake Ale House, 2307 24th Avenue E. Starting time is 8:00pm, but some folks show up earlier for dinner.

Can’t make it to Seattle tonight? The Tri-Cities chapter of Drinking liberally meets every Tuesday night as well. Also next Monday, the Olympia, Yakima, and South Bellevue chapters of Drinking Liberally meet.

With 232 chapters of Living Liberally, including twelve in Washington state and three more in Oregon, chances are excellent there’s a chapter near you.

Comments

  1. 1

    spews:

    Let’s rephrase this a bit.. On whose watch has federal spending grown SLOWER than moron Dumbya, Papa Dumbya and Ronnie “consult the star charts” Raygun?? Hell, make it every Prez after Ike.

    Yes, it leaves only OBAMA..

    Obama has indeed presided over the slowest growth in spending of any president using raw dollars, and it was the second-slowest if you adjust for inflation. The math simultaneously backs up Nutting’s calculations and demolishes Romney’s contention. The only significant shortcoming of the graphic is that it fails to note that some of the restraint in spending was fueled by demands from congressional Republicans. On balance, we rate the claim Mostly True.

    http://www.politifact.com/trut.....-lowest-s/

    Is this a good thing?? Hell no! The people need taxing and spending. We have a backlog of creaky infrastructure. Spending much more on that could have lifted us out of this Depression by now. Of course it’s the Republican’s fault things are so crappy.

  2. 4

    ArtFart spews:

    One wonders what would have happened had FDR practiced the same kind of fiscal conservatism as Obama or for that matter, Bill Clinton.

    Roosevelt actually was a fiscal conservative when he first took office, perhaps even more so than Hoover. It was only later that he became convinced that only the government had the resources to prevent unheard-of chaos and suffering and get the economy started again. Had he not, we wouldn’t be experiencing an economic slump now commonly referred to as “the worst since the 1930′s”–we’d still be in the grip of the old one! Perhaps bowing and scraping to our German and Japanese overlords as well.

  3. 8

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @5 I have a better idea. Let’s cut your taxes some more — and pair those cuts with $3 of defense cuts for every $1 of tax cuts. This will be a way more peaceful world if we can get every country to cut their military spending down to zero. Interested?

  4. 9

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Rmoney wants to boost defense spending, cut taxes, and reduce deficits. I’d like to know how he’s going to make the math work.

    The answer, of course, is he’s a snake oil salesman. He’ll promise the sky and then backstab the people who are foolish enough to vote for him. Visualize a smiling new CEO coming into a factory and telling the workers “things will be different around here!” even as he’s plotting to eliminate their jobs …

  5. 13

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    I guess if you’re rich enough you can say anything and people will suck up to you.

  6. 14

    spews:

    Rmoney wants to boost defense spending, cut taxes, and reduce deficits. I’d like to know how he’s going to make the math work.

    Raygun said the same damn thing.. Back then the joke was he could only do that “with mirrors”.

    Rmoney’s just using the oldest play in their book next to gay/commie baiting and fear-mongering of darker skinned people.

  7. 15

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    One thing Trump has going for him is he can’t turn himself into a laughingstock, because he already is one. Not much to lose there.

  8. 17

    spews:

    The answer, of course, is he’s a snake oil salesman.

    Yep, so was Raygun. Raygun said he’d never negotiate with terrorists..

    His State Department declared Iran a state sponsor of terrorism on Jan 1984.

    http://www.state.gov/j/ct/c14151.htm

    He was trading arms for hostages held by Iran in 1985. Oh yeah. Israel did the actual arms shipping.. Wow. Why would they do such a thing?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I.....tra_affair

    And don’t forget. The profits they made off the sale they diverted to the Nicaraguan Contras in violation of the law.

    Yeah that Ronnie was a player.

  9. 18

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @17 The biggest scam of all is their claim that Saint Ronnie caused the Soviet Union to collapse. The comrades didn’t need him for that; they managed it on their own.

  10. 19

    doggril spews:

    @5 – When you show us a government that functions well off of donations, then we can talk.
    Asshole.

  11. 20

    Ekim spews:

    Mittens has released a copy of his birth certificate to the media.

    You think the birthers going to demand Mittens produce the original birth certificate?

  12. 21

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @19 I won’t take their whining about taxes and deficits seriously until they get serious about cutting military spending.

  13. 23

    spews:

    I feel uncomfortable about the word “hero” because it seems to me that it is so rhetorically proximate to justifications for more war. I don’t want to obviously desecrate or disrespect the memory of anyone that’s fallen, and obviously there are individual circumstances in which there is genuine, tremendous heroism, you know, hail of gunfire, rescuing fellow soldiers and things like that. But it seems to me that we marshal this word in a way that is problematic. But maybe I’m wrong about that.

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/.....etail=hide

    A troll of course gloated over some words cherry picked out of this. One minute out of a twelve minute segment.

    The reporter was just trying to be thoughtful and nuanced.. And he was cowed by the vitriolic knee-jerk reaction from the unhinged right.

  14. 24

    Puddybud spews:

    Turdball@ #1

    Obama’s National Debt Impact

    Upon Inauguration: $10,626,877,048,913
    As of May 25, 2012: $15,711,600,946,206
    In 3.3 yrs Increased: $5,084,723,897,293
    George Bush (8yrs): $4,899,100,310,609

    See ya!

  15. 26

    spews:

    Say goodbye to the 99ers. The budget deal Congress made in February is taking its toll on the long-term unemployed. By the end of June, nearly half a million out-of-work Americans will have lost their unemployment insurance benefits. According to official reckoning, some 5.1 million Americans have been unemployed for 27 weeks or longer. That number doesn’t include those who have dropped out of the labor force in despair of ever finding a job.

    Along with food stamps, compensation payments through the New Deal-established unemployment insurance program is the main safety net for the jobless and the most effective stimulus to the economy, generating $1.90 in economic growth for every $1 spent.

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/.....etail=hide

    Heh. Notice to a hateful right wing bigot who can’t read and refuses to do arithmetic..

    I will be here in November..

  16. 27

    Puddybud spews:

    A troll of course gloated over some words cherry picked out of this. One minute out of a twelve minute segment.

    And when the preznit took some words by Romney out of context you cheered like the rest of the libtards.

  17. 28

    spews:

    Obama’s National Debt Impact

    Tell it to politifact dumbass. Slowest increase in spending since Ike.

    Debt is increasing because of the Bush Depression.

  18. 31

    spews:

    back using Daily Kos!

    Point it out coward. What did I quote that isn’t true??

    You quote fantasies like slant drilling from Cuba all the time.

  19. 33

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @24 “Turdball@ #1″

    Oh my, putz’s vocabulary just expanded by 1 word! That’s a first during his tenure on HA.

  20. 34

    Puddybud spews:

    When is a Venture Capitalist Not a Vulture Capitalist?

    When He’s A Top Dem Obama Supporter

    Visualize a smiling new CEO coming into a factory and telling the workers “things will be different around here!” even as he’s plotting to eliminate their jobs …

    Like Obummer’s Vulture Capitalists at Vestar?

  21. 35

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @31 slant drilling from Cuba? Did he really say that? HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR

  22. 36

    Puddybud spews:

    Point it out

    I just did. You’re using Daily Kooks.

    Ohhh the burn from the freakaziod who complains about truths from:

    Drudge
    Breitbart
    NY Post
    The Blaze
    Newsbusters

    See ya freakazoid!

  23. 37

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Okay, let’s get serious, and check out Mittster’s jobs record as Massachusetts governor. Frankly, it SUCKS. After 3 years in office, he created only 200 net jobs! For a state with above-average education levels, Mittster has a “downright embarrassing jobs record.” That’s why you’re not going to hear Mittster talking about his jobs record in Massachusetts.

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/a.....setts.html

  24. 39

    spews:

    I hate this shit:

    Gov. Rick Scott’s purge of likely Democratic voters from the voting rolls is supposed to be targeted at non-citizens. It isn’t.
    Bill Internicola was born in Brooklyn 91 years ago. He fought in World War II in the Battle of the Bulge, and his war service earned him a Bronze Star. And this happened to him.

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/.....etail=hide

    Of course PuddyIdiot will say that this isn’t happening because it was written about at DK and TP…

  25. 43

    Ekim spews:

    The Shrub starts 2 wars, doesn’t pay for them, passes Part D, doesn’t pay for it, drops taxes on the rich, doesn’t pay for it, and finally crashes the economy before handing the presidency over to Obama to fix.

    Then on the day Obama is inaugurated the congressional RepubliTHUGs agree to do everything they can to trash the economy and keep Obama from getting any legislation through that might fix the problem, even legislation previously proposed by the same RepubliTHUGs.

    Now ButtPutty thinks it is all Obama’s fault the economy is still in bad shape, even though it is now showing signs of recovery.

    This must be a ButtPutty neologism of some sort…

  26. 44

    spews:

    Then on the day Obama is inaugurated the congressional RepubliTHUGs agree to do everything they can to trash the economy and keep Obama from getting any legislation through that might fix the problem, even legislation previously proposed by the same RepubliTHUGs.

    Don’t forget the smug KY turtle head in the Senate who says his #1 priority is to make Obama a one-termer.

    Higher priority than jobs, education, peace and prosperity.

  27. 48

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Shit, if Cuba can slant-drill under the Gulf, why don’t they just tap into some Miami gas stations? In Daniel Day-Lewis’ immortal words, “I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE!”

  28. 49

    Puddybud spews:

    Ekim is a historical revisionist.

    Then on the day Obama is inaugurated the congressional RepubliTHUGs agree to do everything they can to trash the economy and keep Obama from getting any legislation through that might fix the problem, even legislation previously proposed by the same RepubliTHUGs.

    Obummer had the House and Senate in 2009. Obummer had 60 Senators so he was filibuster proof. Obummer got $410 billion and $820 Billion passed by his rubber stamp Congresses.

    Nuff Said Ekim Sucka!

  29. 50

    Puddybud spews:

    Now Puddy thinks it is all Obama’s fault the economy is still in bad shape, even though it is now showing signs of recovery.

    Let’s review what his official DNC mouthpiece said. We own the economy.

    NUFF SAID SUCKA! The Prosecution Rests.

  30. 52

    Puddybud spews:

    To the moron @44,

    Facts and then more facts. This will drive the deranged crazed debazed databaze deala crazy.

    So I went to KRKO and they scrubbed that show from their archives. My OH My!

    Butt it gets funnier with Rex Nutting…

    Dan Mitchell on Forbes deconstructs Rex Nutting here and here.

    Rex Nutting, he’s writing new Aesop’s Fables for Politifact!

  31. 54

    Puddybud spews:

    Can you say Kablammo to Politifact? And this ANALysis [for ekim] is from the AP, AKA the Administration’s Press.

    —A 9.7 percent increase in 2009, much of which is attributable to Obama.

    —A 7.8 percent increase in 2010, followed by slower spending growth over 2011-13. Much of the slower growth reflects the influence of Republicans retaking control of the House and their budget and debt deal last summer with Obama. All told, government spending now appears to be growing at an annual rate of roughly 3 percent over the 2010-2013 period, rather than the 0.4 percent claimed by Obama and the MarketWatch analysis.

  32. 55

    Puddybud spews:

    And last but not least moron @44, The 3 Pinocchio Award for Jay Carney using Rex Nutting’s analysis.

    The Facts

    First of all, there are a few methodological problems with Nutting’s analysis — especially the beginning and the end point.

    I posted last week.

  33. 56

    Puddybud spews:

    Gotta love this too…

    How did the debt soar? The pro-Obama accounting trick counts the bulk of emergency bailout spending against Bush, and gives Obama credit when banks repaid it. That accounting also wrongly assumes Bush was responsible for appropriations signed by Obama a few months after he took office.

    And…

    Obama wants to spend so much that the Democratic Senate won’t even pass his budget proposals.

    When it comes to accounting DUMMOCRAPTS will utilize every trick in the book!

  34. 57

    GetFactsFirst spews:

    One Democrat Leftist gaffe after another these days. I thought Dems were high on “sensitivity”? Apparently all of you need sensitivity training. Obama would have been better telling a “pollock” joke than something this horrendous-

    Washington, May 29, 2012 (Jason Reed/reuters)
    Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk angrily demanded Wednesday that President Barack Obama explain his reference to “a Polish death camp” during a high-profile White House ceremony a day earlier, saying the remark smacked of “ignorance, lack of knowledge, bad intentions” and amounted to “a distortion of history.”
    “When someone says ‘Polish death camps,’ it is as if there were no Nazis, no German responsibility, as if there was no Hitler – that is why our Polish sensitivity in these situations is so much more than just simply a feeling of national pride,” the prime minister said.

    Tusk bluntly rejected National Security Council spokesman Tommy Vietor’s expression of “regret” for the remarks and acknowledgement that Obama “misspoke” as falling woefully short of making up for the mistake.
    “I am convinced that today, our American friends are capable of a stronger reaction – a clearer one, and one which perhaps eliminates, once and for all, these types of mistakes – than just the correction itself and the regret which we heard from the White House spokesperson,” the prime minister said in a statement posted in English on his official web site.
    “We take note of these words, but it seems that it would be even more important for the United States than for Poland to end this with class. That is how one acts with regard to tried-and-tested friends, but this is also how one acts in your own, well-defined interest. I believe our allies are capable of such behavior,” Tusk said.
    Obama ignited the diplomatic flare-up on Tuesday as he honored Polish resistance hero Jan Karski and others with the Presidential Medal of Freedom, America’s highest civilian honor.
    “Jan served as a courier for the Polish resistance during the darkest days of World War II. Before one trip across enemy lines, resistance fighters told him that Jews were being murdered on a massive scale, and smuggled him into the Warsaw Ghetto and a Polish death camp to see for himself,” the president said.
    Polish Foreign Minister Radek Sikorski immediately demanded on Twitter that the White House apologize for what he called an “outrageous mistake” and said the ceremony had been “overshadowed by ignorance and incompetence.”Conservatives happily piled on: David Frum, former speechwriter for President George W. Bush, likened Obama’s comment to saying that the African slave trade had been run by Africans.

  35. 58

    GetFactsFirst spews:

    Puddy–
    The Democrats want us to believe Obama & the Democrat Congress are not responsible for all the additional spending they created in 2009!!
    It’s not even an accounting trick, it’s more likw one big fat lie.

  36. 61

    Liberal Scientist is a slut who occasionally wears a hoodie spews:

    If the Dems lose net 3 and it’s 50-50, that makes Joe Liebermann (sic) that most powerful man in America.

    Could one be more stupid? Joe Lieberman is retiring from the Senate.

  37. 64

    GetFactsFirst spews:

    And Thompson is ahead in Wisconsin plus several others in play.
    The Unions are going to have to spend a lot of those members dues, the origin of which is taxpayer dollars.

  38. 66

    bob spews:

    @ 64

    Good thing the unions have spent all that money in WI already, getting their ‘ground game’ going in that state, huh? /sarc

  39. 67

    spews:

    The shootings today in Seattle… More evidence of how polite society is becoming as people are arming themselves..

    Deputy Police Chief Nick Metz and Assistant Chief for Operations Paul McDonagh said that while gang activity has played a role in the 20 percent jump in homicides this year, the common denominator is guns.

    “A person who has a gun is more likely to use a gun,” said Metz after the weekly council briefing.

    http://seattletimes.nwsource.c.....ng30m.html

  40. 68

    Blue John spews:

    Something in the Zeitgeist, that caused these people to think that the best and only solution is to shoot people.
    I don’t mind people having guns, I mind crazy people USING guns.

  41. 70

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Yep, today’s Mass Shooting Of The Day (TM) is right here in Seattle — three dead, four if you count the (possibly related) carjacking. But some folks still think anyone should be able to get a gun without a background check and be able to carry it anywhere without a permit.