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The Rhode Island State Police will review a trooper’s actions during a July 11 traffic stop on Route 95 in Richmond, when he detained 14 people who he suspected were in the country illegally, a state police spokesman said. The internal investigation stems from a complaint the Rhode Island Affiliate of the American Civil Liberties Union filed this week, ..
As a result of a traffic stop last month in Richmond, 14 people face deportation, and the ACLU has filed a complaint against Trooper Thomas Chabot. [……………………………………………………………….The ACLU is pissed That might mean 14 less illegal Democrat votes in November!! Shit on that State Trooper!!!]
Who will the commie libs run in 08? “Purple Heart” Kerry? Al “SUV and Gulfstream 5″ Gore? Queen “FUCKING JEW BASTARD!!”Hillary? Maxine “MoFo” Waters? Jesse “Shakedown” Jacksooooooooooon? William J. “IceBox” Jefferson, DEMOCRAT, LA, Ted “Oldsmobile” Kennedy, Al “Tawana Brawley” Sharpton? Pat “BitchSlap The Black Female Security Guard At The LAX Airport” Kennedy, Nancy “Nip/Tuck” Pelosi? Osama “Hussuan” Barrack Obama? OK, commie libs? help me here??
JCH @ 1,
You know what, you are right. I am going to come to your house and search the place. While searching I am going to confiscate your computer and, I guarantee, I will find evidence of illegal activity on your part. When I do, I am going to lock you up without benefit of counsel or trial, due process is not necessary in matters of “national security” after all. While you rot in a prison somewhere, your home, car and any other personal property are going to be seized and sold to fund further “investigations” of suspected subversives. When the truth finally comes out, that your neighbor was hacking into your computer, I am going to issue an apology saying that..while we regret the inconvienence to you, the needs of the nation outweigh the rights of you the individual. You will then be given a new suit and $20 to start over. Since you are a producer, you should be back in the sweet life in no time at all.
You fucking ignorant moronic bastard child of Ann Coulter and Satan himself, you will never learn, but you will not go unchallenged.
Carl Grossman
Liberal, Democrat,
Many muuuuuuuslims in the USA are not happy, so, give them 24 hours to leave and free “one ways” back to Muslimland. If 2 million muuuuuuuuslims are deported, the Democrats will lose 3 million votes. Except in Detroit, which will actually gain 1 million new fraudulent Democrat votes regardless of population. Democrat voter fraud: 20% of Democrat’s votes
JCH @ 2,
At least Obama speaks Enlish, is well educated and did not dodge military service.
In the immortal words of Demi Moore in G.I. Jane:
SUCK MY DICK!!!!!
Carl Grossman
Liberal, Democrat and a bit of a film buff.
3.Carl, if you are a “muuuuuuuslim Jew” you have 24 hours to pack up and move. I am deporting you today!!! Into the boxcar!!!!!!
At least Obama speaks “Enlish”,
Carl Grossman [STFU [Enlish?] , and get in the boxcar!!!]
JCH @ 4,
Prove it. Then see post 5 again.
Carl Grossman
Liberal, Democrat and still I have no answer of my offer to bring you here for a sit and talk. You won’t have to spend a dime of your precious “producer” funds.
100 yards off “D” Street in Encinitas, Ca, Carl!!! Into the deep water!!!! Let’s see how well you can breath salt water!!
JCH @ 7,
Your boxcar reference is low, even for you. I am an American first, Jew second. I will defend, with any means necessary, your right to speak, but should you get hit by friendly fire and end up as an acceptable casualty risk statistic, it would be God’s will.
How do you sleep at night?
Never again!!!
Carl Grossman
Liberal, Democrat, Jew
Carl, My battery of legal counsel, Mr. Sal Lowenstein, Mr. Sol Goodmanstein, and Mr. Ben Loeb, ESQs, are ready to take your deposition!!!! Into the boxcar, NOW!!!!
Never again!!!
Carl Grossman […………………………………………………………Like Miss Goldie, I don’t see YOU ASS fighting with the IDF. Like Miss Goldie, lots of talk!! Maybe the two of you will throw legal papers at the terrorists. Maybe you will hit them with your purses!!!]
John Craig at 9,
Thank you for picking up my typo. I hate when I do that. English is correct.
Encinitas, CA? The little city just north of San Diego? That where you want to meet? I am afraid I don’t get your meaning. Actually, I don’t think you know what you meant.
Carl Grossman
Liberal, Democrat and still not scared of John Craig
RubberStampReichert is a Bush flunky. He doesn’t represent his district. He’s against Social Security. He doesn’t hug rabbits.
You fucking ignorant moronic bastard child of Ann Coulter and Satan himself, you will never learn, but you will not go unchallenged.
Carl Grossman [………………………………………………………………….Where is the Democrat “love”? Where is the Democrat “compassion”? Where is the Democrat “understanding”? I think I will send Jesse Jacksooooooooooon and Al Sharpton to “tend” to your spiritual needs!!!!]
John Craig,
This I promise. I am no dove. I am not a pacifist. I spent considerable time in the military. I value the skills and lessons I gained serving my country. I would love to demonstrate some of them to you personally. What is the IDF, I don’t read all of your posts, so please, enlighten me.
Carl Grossman
Liberal, Democrat and watching John Craig implode.
13, 100 yards west “D” Street Steps………On the very wet, very deep, very choppy “outside”!!
No doubt in my mind who RubberStampReichert represents. He works for Big Oil and Osama.
By the way, I’d bet my last dollar that if cops ever searched JCH’s trailer park, they’d find tons of child porn.
What is the IDF, I don’t read all of your posts, so please, enlighten me.
Carl Grossman [Er, Carl, ANYONE watching CNN or FOX news would know about the “Isreal Defense Force” [IDF]. Also, the “Isreal Air Force [IAF] is a term that I’m certain both Miss Goldie and you are not familiar. Now……………. “I don’t read all of your posts”………YES, YOU DO!!! READ THEM!! EACH AND EVERY ONE!!!!]
Would you rather be represented in Congress by this http://tinyurl.com/l2tcj or this http://tinyurl.com/opkdy
John Craig at 17,
Your address would indicate you have no stake in the Reichert contest. However, there is a very nice Gay Pride group in the area. They can help you with the issues you have in coming out.
Carl Grossman
Liberal, Democrat and here to help in any way I can.
“I don’t belong to an organized political party. I’m a Democrat.” – Will Rogers.
Carl, addressing JCH:
“moronic bastard child of Ann Coulter and Satan himself”
The child of Ann Coulter and Satan? Wouldn’t that require incest?
JCH’s comment:
“Where is the Democrat “love”? Where is the Democrat “compassion”? Where is the Democrat “understanding”?”
I’ve heard that children of close relatives (Like Ann Coulter and Satan) often have lower than average intellegence, along with some personality problems, and that would explain a lot. We should be more understanding to JCH, as it seems he has family issues to deal with.
To understand all is to forgive all. See, we do love you, JCH.
JCH, um what is Isreal? Ohhhhhhh, you mean Israel. Jesus man, I guess you threw stones too soon.
Sorry, but I don’t read all your posts. Only when I want a laugh.
Isreal. That is so rich. ISRAEL.
What a fucking moron.
Carl Grossman
Liberal, Democrat and JCH ass kicker.
John B @ 22
OK, you win. That is, at the same time, the funniest and most insightful post of the entire week here at HA.
Kudos!!!!
Carl Grossman
Liberal, Democrat and roflmao!
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“See, we do love you, JCH.” Commentby John Barelli— 8/19/06@ 3:02 pm
Not really. He’s just saying that to be polite, Craig. Don’t let it go to your head.
RR @ 25,
Everything goes to John Craigs head. It is a big empty vacuum. I think some of my missing socks may be there.
Carl Grossman
Liberal, Democrat
“Carl Grossman,” Moonbat Dem and self-hating Jew at 10,
“I am an American first, Jew second. I will defend, with any means necessary, your right to speak, but should you get hit by friendly fire and end up as an acceptable casualty risk statistic, it would be God’s will.”
How do you sleep at night?
Never again!!!
Carl Grossman
Liberal, Democrat, Jew
Commentby My Left Foot— 8/19/06@ 2:47 pm
You say,”Never again!!!”
Maybe once again if you self-hating Jews keep siding with the Islamofascists against Israel. Enjoy your writing while there’s still time, your illegal alien Democrat friends have plans for you:
“Jews Attack Mexican Heritage
in Los Angeles County
Threaten litigation over Christian Cross on county seal”
“by
Ernesto Cienfuegos
La Voz de Aztlan”
“Los Angeles, Alta California – May 27, 2004 – (ACN) Those nefarious Jews are at it again! The same clique of Talmudic Jews who want to remove “One Nation Under God” from the Pledge of Allegiance now have targeted the Christian Cross that is part of the “Official Seal of the County of Los Angeles.” The Jewess Ramona Riptson, wife of the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals judge that voted to remove God from the pledge, and who is also Director of the Jewish ACLU of Southern California has just given the County Board of Supervisors an ultimatum to “REMOVE” the cross from its seal or face a massive suit in the Jewish dominated judicial system of California.”
“If the Jews are successful in forcing the Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors to remove the Christian Cross from the county seal, a consortium of Jewish businesses are already at the ready to profit from it. It will take millions of dollars to change the stationary, business cards, the logos on buildings and vehicles and on many other items. They will be ready to siphon even more dollars from unsuspecting taxpayers. This is one reason why people around the world are becoming increasingly impatient with the Jews and probably one reason why Adolf Hitler acted the way he did.”
Source: http://www.aztlan.net/cross_la_seal.htm
You have much bigger problems than Bush, moonbat. Your Dem friends don’t seem to want you in Aztlan. Have you thanked Cantwell(D-Mexico) for voting against building a fence on the Mexican border?
Who is Dave Reichert really representing? Wall Mart……….
Were are all the republicans? What did they all get busted at the Animal Farm Orgy last night?
Online Dictionary Adds “Katherine Harris Crazy” To Lexicon…
http://www.naplesnews.com/news.....local_news
works for me
But I have always thought of Katherine Harris as Bat Shit Crazy . But that’s just a technicality I guess…
“I don’t belong to an organized political party. I’m a Democrat.” – Will Rogers.
americafirst, in a long and mostly incoherant rant, quoted a story in “La Voz de Azlan
La Voz de Azlan as a Democratic publication? Someone here is guilty of assuming that all Hispanics are Democrats.
While we may wish it were so, it isn’t. Some are Democrats, some Republicans and there are a few that are just loony. La Voz falls into that last category.
Of course, they do have some things in common with Republicans. They want to put up a big fence along the border. They simply think that California should be on their side of the fence.
Come to think of it, so do many Republicans.
Acutely most Hispanics are Socialist my friend
I would be willing to give Texas back to them if they would take bush with it ……
““I don’t belong to an organized political party. I’m a Democrat.” – Will Rogers.
The Socialist commented:
“I would be willing to give Texas back to them if they would take bush with it”
Unfortunately, President Bush was born in New Haven Connecticut. His grandfather was a Senator from that state. He’s a Yankee, through and through. Somebody gave him the hat.
Odd bit of trivia. Prescott Bush (GWB’s grandfather) was involved with the American Birth Control League as early as 1942, and served as the treasurer of the first national capital campaign of Planned Parenthood in 1947. He was also an early supporter of the United Negro College Fund, serving as chairman of the Connecticut branch in 1951.
He was one of those “social liberal, fiscal conservative” types that the Republicans have been busy turning into Democrats (like yours truly).
Just funny to think that GWB’s grandfather, the person that got the family into politics, wouldn’t be welcome in today’s Republican party.
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The Nazis will take him. He was a good friend of theirs … sold oil to Hitler.
wow your a recovering republican huh. I think you will like the Democratic Party . The Democrats have moved so far right that they basically are the moderate republican party . That is why I have Joined the Socialist Party. http://www.sp-usa.org/
You fucking ignorant moronic bastard child of Ann Coulter and Satan himself, you will never learn, but you will not go unchallenged.
Carl Grossman [Democrats are soooooo used to others being “PC” and not responding when commie libs insult and are rude. The beauty of HA./ ORG is that there ARE NO RULES!! So, Carl, into the boxcar!!!
Wow the GOP is full of batshit crazy fuckers like JCH. That ought to let the country know why we’re in trouble. My problem is that I can’t even figure out what the inbred little dicksucker is saying 90% of the time? Must be the same fool posting as Jim King on Postman’s blog.
A Vermont woman whose bizarre behavior forced a Washington, D.C.-bound plan to make a dramatic landing in Boston yesterday was thought to be a diversion for a ”possible terrorist attack,” according to an FBI affidavit released today.
The “crazy” Vermont woman is actually an anti War Democrat kook with the nuttiest quotes and kookies of ideas. This was exposed by a Boston area radio talk show host.
A few quotes by the liberal Democrat kook woman can be found on his blog:
http://iamscotto.blogspot.com/
Another outed Democrat, n’est-ce-pas? Her name: Mrs. Carl Grossman
The Nazis will take him. He was a good friend of theirs … sold oil to Hitler.
Commentby Roger Rabbit {………..RR, Would the “him” be Old Joe Kennedy??]
“inbred little dicksucker”??
Commentby LeftTurn [……The boxcar, Carl. GET IN!!! NOW!!]
wow your a recovering republican huh. I think you will like the Democratic Party . The Democrats have moved so far right that they basically are the moderate republican party . That is why I have Joined the Socialist Party. http://www.sp-usa.org/
Commentby The Socialist [……………………………………………………………………………GBS, You really have a way of expressing yourself!!]
Muuuuuuuuuuuslim [and Carl!], 24 hours to clear out before you are “fair game”!!! Back to Muuuuuuuuuslimland!!
WASHINGTON — About 11 million illegal immigrants were living in the U.S. at the start of this year, the federal government said in a report Friday. That’s up from an estimated 8.5 million living in the country in January 2000, according to calculations by the Office of Immigration Statistics in the Department of Homeland Security. [Best guess: 30-35 million illegals in the USA, and 98% will vote Democrat wihtin 6 years]
We the taxpayers bear the burden of paying higher med.rates along with College,
housing,food stamps,social security and
more crimes,while the 30 Mexican billionaires and government do nothing but export their poor, polio, and TB across the border.
Don’t the illegal people get the word? according to the dems the USA is a rotten place to live.
The last time there was an amnesty it turned out there were millions more than the government had estimated.
The estimated number of illegals in the US based on some pretty good all-source intel a few years ago was between 17 and 19 million. Today, I think it would be logical to assume that number is now at least 32 to 35 million, if not more. So we’re now at the point of having 10 percent of the population as illegal non-citizens who act as Democrat leeches on the remaining 80 percent.
And every one of these Democrats-to-be illegals has the same rights as a native-born American, except that the illegals are a ‘minority’ and so have still more rights.
30 million Illegals plus 30 million “guvment union” employees, plus 30 million welfare scum, plus 30 million blacks gives the “grasshopper” Democrats one hell of a voting bloc!!!!!!
Just funny to think that GWB’s grandfather, the person that got the family into politics, wouldn’t be welcome in today’s Republican party. Commentby John Barelli— 8/19/06@ 4:32 pm
Add John Barelli to the wrong again list.
In 2004 any anti-abortion moonbat was excised from the 2004 Moonbat Convention. If they didn’t toe the party line they had no voice. If you were Michael Moore you had top row seat with the left loony moonbat crowd. Conversely Arnold spoke as did others conservatives who shuuport abortion. Colin Powell was SoS and he supported abortion.
You better have Furball perform future fact checks on your lather before it ends up as blather.
Wow the DNC is full of moobbat crazy fuckers like LeftMyTurdBehindLostMyBrain. They are members of the fringies. That ought to let the country know why we can trust them ever again in national security. My problem is that I can’t even figure out what the janitor-in-a-drum (stolen from the Texize commercial) test tube baby is saying ALL of the time? Must be the same fool posting as leftie or catfish on kos. He, like clueless can’t piss without reading kos first.
JCH @ 44,
It is my understanding that I can publish on this blog John Craigs address. This would be so people can communicate directly with him. This means legally. In no way would I personally incourage, in fact I strongly advise everyone to follow the laws. Crime does not pay.
Carl Grossman
Liberal, Democrat part time P.I.
Erratum#47 …others conservatives who shuuport abortion. should be …others conservatives who support abortion.
Carl Grossman Librul Democrat Delirious Moonbat Hate Filled Extremist:
My “marketable skills” were in big demand today, so I was kinda short on time to write a complete response. Now bend over…
Your response shows how easily you are lead around by the nose by the librul drive-by media. The fact of the matter is that the rich pay overwhelming majority of income taxes. According to the National Taxpayers Union, the top 1% pay about one third of total taxes, the top 5% pays about half, the top 10% about two thirds of taxes. The bottom half essentially gets a free ride paying only about 4%. And the rant about the rich “finding ways to pay less than their fair share” is bullshit. The Alternative Minimum Tax prevents that.
On corporate taxes, you show again what a media dupe you are. Corporations have a moral obligation to their shareholders to pay only those taxes that are required by law. Corporations are not charities. I agree on deadbeat corporations that don’t keep up with pension obligations. However, with the exception of a handful of companies in the steel and airline business, the vast majority of corporations comply with ERISA requirements.
The initiative process is alive and well in Washington, and that’s a good thing. It gives The People the ability to make the final decision on important policy matters and to take on issues that politicians refuse to deal with. In the case of Tim Eyman, his taxpayer protection initiatives have saved about $7.4 billion. He is also responsible for real performance audits of government, a smaller King County Council, voter approval for tax increases, protection of the initiative process, opposition to massive tax hikes, and outlawing state sponsored racial discrimination.
You are opposed to socialism? I don’t believe that. All true modern day democrats are really Marxists at heart. How else could you support the idea of progressive taxation? QED. (Look it up)
Hussein repeatedly violated 16 UN resolutions going back to 1990 which were intended to ensure that Iraq did not pose a threat to global peace. He interfered with weapons inspectors, failed to stop support for terrorism, failed to return property stolen from Kuwait, and continued to repress the Iraqi people. After years of fucking around, President Bush finally decided enough was enough, and asked Congress to give him the authority to put a stop to this bullshit.
You say you don’t understand global warming. You’re right. Neither does anybody else. Not even The Inventor Of The Internet. The fact of the matter is that current temperatures are NOT beyond historical norms. That being the case, who’s to say that we need to wreck our economy to stop a problem that may not exist?
@22 “The child of Ann Coulter and Satan? Wouldn’t that require incest?”
Actually, that would be self-impregnation.
JCH is your penalty for telling Coulter to go fuck herself…
JCH at 40,
“A few quotes by the liberal Democrat kook woman”
Commentby Doctor JCH Kennedy— 8/19/06@ 5:20 pm
Good find,JCH,a moonbat quote for the ages:
“The folksongs of the 1960s will never be written again because of President George Bush. He has hampered the liberties of my country in the name of September 11. Songs now can only talk of patriotism they cannot mention peace.”
She forgot to mention that Bush blew up the twin towers, but at least we never have to listen to Peter, Paul and Mary again.
I hate to do this:
Look what happened to Mary Travers of Peter, Paul and Mary.
WARNING: NOT FOR THE WEAK:
http://www.mirandala.org/images/mt3.jpg
MTR ASSHOLE @ 51.
Your marketable skills? I had no idea that stringing the words “Would you like to supersize that?” together is a “marketable skill”. As for the rest of your answer, any set of statistics can be manipulated to show any side of an argument. The fact remains that Republicans have done piss poor job while in charge. That is the perception in the majority of folks eligible to vote. You know what they say, perception is reality. In November, the tide will be sweeping out the criminal and inept from the HOR and the Senate. The majority will change and Senator McCain’s worst fear, voiced on the floor of the senate will come true. When the Republicans tried to change the rules of the Senate to preclude argument and fillibuster, Senator McCain wisely admonished “This is not a good idea, we won’t always be in the majority”. How prophetic of him. A good man, an honest man stuck in party of thieves, liars and cheats.
Now, back to the counter, there are hungry customers waiting.
Carl Grossman
Liberal, Democrat
MTR ASSHOLE @ 54,
We don’t need to see pictures of your wife posted here. How is this relevant?
Carl Grossman
Liberal, Democrat and willing to buy MTR ASSHOLE new glasses.
Carl Grossman Librul Democrat
Congratulations. You have now acheived full moonbat status on HA. Rather than debating me on facts and data and rational logical analysis, you resort to personal attacks since you are unable to win the intellectual argument.
That’s OK. My work here is done. I’ve exposed you for what you are… a fucking idiot easily duped by the drive by media and driven by an agenda of hate and greed. Typical “proud” democrat.
MTR ASSHOLE @ 57.
I debated you on the facts. I won. Then I had some fun at your expense. You can call me moonbat and librul and somehow that is different? Please. I am not easily duped. You, my friend, are led around by the nose. You have blind faith, fail to think for yourself and will be left stuttering when your side is no longer in charge. I must congratulate you though, you cut and paste from the internet with world class ability. I wish you the best in your effort to become shift supervisor.
Carl Grossman
Liberal, Democrat and finding this amusing
John Craig, how are things in Pahoa, HI?
Carl Grossman
Liberal, Democrat and I notice the silence from JCH is deafening.
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Yes Grandpa Joe was a Nazi indeed. Liberals show Nazi tendecies through their total lack of compasion for the Jew. Speaking of which:
Exclusive.
Was the Jew killer a conservative or liberal. In the Seattle Times we have the following quote:
Haq’s friend said he couldn’t believe the timid, “geeky” man he knew from the tutoring center was capable of such violence.
“Are you sure we’re talking about the same person?” he said Sunday………….
He said Haq was not a devout Muslim and often complained that the Tri-Cities were too politically conservative.
“I’m beginning to think I was his only friend in the Tri-Cities. I don’t recall him hanging out with anybody else.”
Now for the other side we turn to Goldy’s story from two weeks ago:
Psssssssssstttttttt…….
Ah it looks like the story was all a bunch of hot air. Well there you have it. Enjoy all you Nazi Libs.
Are facts difficult for you? C’mon debate me asshole… Or are you too fucking stoopid like everyone else here?
Thought so…
Doctor JCH Kennedy do the nurses at western state hospital know you are on the computer???????
MTR ASSHOLE @ 54,
We don’t need to see pictures of your wife posted here. How is this relevant?
Carl Grossman
Liberal, Democrat and willing to buy MTR ASSHOLE new glasses.
Commentby My Left Foot— 8/19/06@ 6:46 pm
What did he post pictures of his pet goat again??????
MTR ASSHOLE @ 61,
It is stupid, not stoopid, stupid. Neither of us is going to change the others opinion. It is colossal waste of your time to even post here. I have had fun today, debating and getting under your skin. Now I must take my leave and do something worth my while. Dinner and movie with the wife. Wonder if I can talk her into seeing Snakes On A Plane?
Have a good evening MTR ASSHOLE, it was fun today.
Carl Grossman
Liberal, Democrat with a life outside this blog.
MTR ASSHOLE @ 61,
It is stupid, not stoopid, stupid. Neither of us is going to change the others opinion. It is colossal waste of your time to even post here. I have had fun today, debating and getting under your skin. Now I must take my leave and do something worth my while. Dinner and movie with the wife. Wonder if I can talk her into seeing Snakes On A Plane?
Have a good evening MTR ASSHOLE, it was fun today.
Carl Grossman
Liberal, Democrat with a life outside this blog.
Commentby My Left Foot— 8/19/06@ 7:12 pm
what he sead !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I just wanted to expose Grossman for what he is. Just another fucking idiot moonbat. When presented with facts, he resorts to personal attacks because he can’t win the intellectual argument. Totally outgunned…
Tell me moonbats, does it suck to get your ass kicked every fucking time you take me on? Don’t you get tired of it?
If you read Postman’s blog, and HorsesAss, you can quickly come to the conclusion that LeftTurn and Mark The Redneck are the same person, trolling from both sides. Same stupid types of remarks, same focusing on relatively articulate posters, same intent to derail any intelligent discussion…
Same lack of command of the English language. I’d wager they even drool the same way…
And the same self-delusion of grandeur, like they had shown up and accomplished something/vanquished someone…
Warped, twisted individuals…
Back to goldy’s question: who does darcy represent? Her ads are lies, and her statements are evasive. Who put together her latest one, decrying Reichert’s vote on on alternative energy that cantwell and dicks voted for as well?
She is a novice, and her ads are showing it. She doesn’t have the political acumen to tell her advisors no, and so let’s them manipulate her. The netroots are calling the shots on her campaign. Good! See where it is getting lamont?
I just hope that the 8th is smart enough to see it.
Actually Janet you’ve sucked too much dick today because Goldy’s question is who does RubberStampReichert represent.
Darcy hasn’t been elected to office yet so she doesn’t represent anyone yet. I know as a republican you’re just too fucking stupid to grasp these concepts but hey, I’ll try to educate you if I can.
Darcy didn’t lie. RubberStampReichert took money from big oil and gave them breaks in return. Darcy isn’t running against Cantwell or Dicks so that’s a smoke screen.
And yes she is a novice, just like Sheriff Davie was when he was elected. That was supposed to be a strength when he ran. All of a sudden it’s a liability? Oh yes I forgot, you have totally different standards when a republican is involved. What happened to your “A woman’s place is in the home” line? The party bosses tell you to knock that off?
The 8th would be lucky to get someone like Darcy who actually cares about people rather than a second rate sheriff who led one of the most corrupt sheriff’s departments in the nation in a 20 year search for a high school drop out who murdered dozens on Sheriff Davie’s watch.
Carl said: “Would you like to supersize that?” to MTR Kennedy. Dear Carl, McDonalds killed supersizing over a year ago. I realize being a MOONBAT you missed the memo. You need to change your attacks. I guess Jedi mind tricks would work on your weak mind.
“By the end of 2004, Supersize will no longer be available at the nation’s 13,000-plus McDonald’s outlets except in certain promotions, McDonald’s spokesman Walt Riker said.”
Carl Grossman: still stupid, in a time warp, out of touch with reality, and 100% moonbat!
Warped, twisted individuals… Commentby Anonymous— 8/19/06@ 7:38 pm
I will agree with you on LeftHisTurdBehindLostHisBrain. Actually 50% of MTR Kennedy’s post are interesting, 25% are funny and the rest are his attempt to attack moonbats in their arena!
Even though he’s a Kennedy, they seem to get under the moonbat’s skin!
LET THE GAMES BEGIN:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....54_pf.html
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I think the Star of David should replace the Cross on the county seal. I’m not Jewish, but I think people like you should find out what it feels like to have someone else’s religion shoved down your throats. I’m sure you’d go running straight to the ACLU …
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What’s the big deal?
54 (continued)
“The fact of the matter is that the rich pay overwhelming majority of income taxes.” Commentby Mark The Redneck— 8/19/06@ 6:40 pm
Well DUH, they make the overwhelming majority of the income and own the overwhelming majority of the property … hey Retardo, tell us again how cutting taxes raises revenue …
2000 – $1,372,376,000,000 (baseline year)
2001 – $1,297,063,000,000
2002 – $1,152,413,000,000
2003 – $1,069,364,000,000
(Source of data: Official U.S. gov’t figures)
#75 is in response to #51, not #54 … same asshole, different post
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Mark — do you feel companies that re-incorporate in small Carribbean island nations to avoid U.S. taxes should be allowed to do business in the U.S.?
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Mark — do you feel American expatriate millionaires who establish a residence in small Caribbean island nations to avoid U.S. taxes should be allowed on U.S. soil?
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Why the fuck should tax-dodging companies and individuals enjoy the benefits, protections, and public services of the United States? They’re F R E E L O A D E R S ! They want to land their private jets at municipal airports paid by wager-earners’ taxes. They’re all Republicans, too.
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Did you mean to say, “how are things in Paranoia, HI?”
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“The Nazis will take him. He was a good friend of theirs … sold oil to Hitler. Commentby Roger Rabbit {………..RR, Would the “him” be Old Joe Kennedy??]” Commentby Doctor JCH Kennedy— 8/19/06@ 5:21 pm
No, I was referring to Prescott Bush.
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“In the case of Tim Eyman, his taxpayer protection initiatives have saved about $7.4 billion.”
Stop giving Eyman credit for legislation passed by the Democratic legislation and signed by the Democratic governor. Eyman’s initiatives saved taxpayers nothing. They were thrown out by the courts.
what he sead !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Commentby The Socialist [GBS, You are too funny!!!!]
If you read Postman’s blog, and HorsesAss, you can quickly come to the conclusion that “LeftTurn” [Carl Grossmanstein] and “The Socialist” are the same person, trolling from the same side. Same stupid types of remarks, same focusing on relatively articulate posters, same intent to derail any intelligent discussion…
Same lack of command of the English language. I’d wager they even drool the same way…
And the same self-delusion of grandeur, like they had shown up and accomplished something/vanquished someone…
Warped, twisted individuals…
Commentby Anonymous [………………………………………Anonymous, I agree!!!!]
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“Hussein repeatedly violated 16 UN resolutions going back to 1990 which were intended to ensure that Iraq did not pose a threat to global peace.”
I call BULLSHIT on that! Saddam let in UN inspectors but Bush invaded Iraq anyway. Where are the WMDs? They were destroyed in 1991.
Mark – do you feel American expatriate millionaires who establish a residence in small Caribbean island nations to avoid U.S. taxes should be allowed on U.S. soil?
Commentby Roger Rabbit […………………………………………….Don’t the Kennedys use a Caribbean Island for trusts and tax havens? Why yes, they do!! Hehe, JCH]
Rabbit – All Eyman’s stuff thrown out? Really?
How big is King County Council? 9 or 13?
Is the state still allowed to discriminate based on race?
Are there performance audits?
Do politicians have to let us vote on prop tax increases?
Did legislature pass $30 tabs immediately after court made up the goofy two subject thing?
Pretty good track record if you ask me…
No, the WMD’s were NOT destroyed in 91. The UN inspectors were monitoring them – some of them for years. There were numerous missing cannisters of chemical weapons. At the beginning of this Iraq war, they found hundreds of rockets that were illegal because of their range.
Saddam also regularly targeted our fighter pilots enforcing the no-fly zone. Had the UN not been so corrupt with the oil for food program, we might have had much different results.
Chicago – A former grocery store owner already facing three years in prison for aiding a terrorist group got 14 months tacked onto his sentence Friday for swindling the food stamp program out of $1.4 million. Hatem Fariz, 33, must serve a total of 51 months in federal prison /break/ Fariz, who now lives in Spring Hill, Fla., also was ordered to repay the money he siphoned off by swapping cash for food stamps [………………All muuuuuuslims and Carl Grossman, Out of the USA within 24 hours!! After that, you are “fair game!!!!!]
85, RR, Remember the MIG 25s buried in the sands? Gee, I wonder why the ragheads did that???
JCH, I would never post without signing either Carl Grossman or My Left Foot. They are the only two monikers I use.
Are you going to answer RR’s question about tax cheating corporations using far away islands as a tax avoidance sham?
How is Pahoa this evening?
Love Always,
Carl Grossman
Liberal,Democrat and just tired of your shit John Craig.
So as usual, I’ve run that bitch Janet S off this thread because I’ve exposed her bullshit!
Carl You are always welcome for a very short visit. Rich, retired, and well armed in lovely Hawaii. [Look for the NRA stickers on the mailbox!]
Carl, Into the boxcar, NOW!!!
New Flash: The otherhalf of the “waitress sandwich”, idiot leftist Sen Chris “Waitress Sandwich” Dodd, is ready for a Presidential run!!!!
At this point I have to conclude that the UN and Kofi Annan are in the employ of Iran. Otherwise, how do you explain their behavior? They are treating Israel and Hezbollah as equal parties. One is a lawful country with an elected govt. The other is a terrorist militia who gets money from a theocracy intent on destroying all Jews and the west.
Kofi’s son got lots of money from the Oil for Food program, along with many others in the UN. Daily we hear of new scandals of UN troops involved in slavery, child porn, prostitution rings, etc. UNIFIL has been trying to disarm hezbollah for, what, 20 years now? Instead they are human shields, or worse, accomplices. Why do we continue to let this happen, and how can the left think this body has any moral authority?
Anybody else hear that whistling noise?
Carl Grossman
Liberal, Democrat and I have NRA stickers too. wooooooo very intimidating.
95, cont……….Note the National Organization for Gals [NOW] will not say a word about Teddy and Chris and “waitress sandwiches”. Typical lib hypocrites!!!!
Left Turn – Darcy seeks to represent the 8th. Geez, at least put up an argument that isn’t stupid.
Darcy’s biography ad flashes “Air Force Veteran” on the screen, while the voice over explains that she is the daughter of a veteran, not one herself. This isn’t an accident. Not everyone listens to every word on the TV, but the visuals stick with them.
Now in her latest ad she accuses reichert of voting to give 14 billion to the oil companies. First, wrong. Second, the bill was voted for by her fellow state dems. So is cantwell in the pocket of big oil? Can’t have it both ways.
Reichert was a freshman rep, but he had many years of public service. He also spoke in front of the media regularly, sometimes in hostile situations. We know how he reacts under stress. We know nothing about darcy except that she crashed her car from her excitement for signing up to run for office. Doesn’t sound like someone who handles stress well.
Darcy couldn’t handle the pressure of msft, couldn’t stick with law school, didn’t want to spend time with her newborn. This is someone we want representing us? Fortunately, I live in the 8th and can vote for reichert.
Anybody else hear that whistling noise? Carl Grossman
Liberal, Democrat and I have NRA stickers too. wooooooo very intimidating. Commentby My Left Foot— 8/19/06@ 10:35 pm
Carl is that the sound of air as it enters one ear, accelerates through your cranial orifice and exits out of the other?
The audience responds in loud unison: “YES IT IS”!
Aloha to Pud Kennedy!! Just a “Thank you” for the “Hillary homework” that kicked JDB’s ass from Hilo to Honolulu. Best regards, JCH Kennedy
Carl, After the boxcar……….I have a surprise!!!!
Once again Janet S answer the question. Who does RubberStampReichert really represent? We know who he’s supposed to represent. Why can’t you answer Janet? Quick, call headquarters and ask them what you should say. I’ll wait!
You are so hard up to find ANY reason why we should vote for Sheriff Davie that you spend all your time here attacking Darcy in the hopes that we won’t notice what an incompetent asshole RubberStampReichert really is.
As for the ad – it’s certainly mild compared to say, a right wing republican showing a picture of Senator Clinton next to Osama. Now you have no problem with that do you? Can’t have it both ways I believe you said?
And Darcy isn’t running against any Dems so it doesn’t matter how they voted. It matters how Sheriff Davie voted.
And what’s wrong with the ad? Is she wrong when she said RubberStampReichert received more than $40k from big oil? If so, you better let your boy Sheriff Davie know because he’s not disputing it. Is she wrong when she says that the price of gas has risen by more than 50 cents since last year? If so, you better let your boy Sheriff Davie know because he’s not disputing it. Is she wrong when she says that the oil companies made record profits in 2005? f so, you better let your boy Sheriff Davie know because he’s not disputing it. In fact, Sheriff Davie isn’t disputing any part of the ad so far as I know.
We know Sheriff Davie led the most corrupt sheriff’s office in the nation, that he had lots of women troubles and that he was virtually and utterly ineffective in every possible way while a Congressman. Once again, you say Darcy is inexperienced but you don’t show how Sheriff Davie’s ads from two years ago saying we need a “fresh face in DC with new ideas” is wrong now.
Darcy was a hit at Microsoft, got straight As in law school and loves her child. Please keep talking about her kid. That’s my favorite of your most visious, bullshit attacks. It shows your side for what it is. I beg you to write letters to the editor and keep that up. And by the way, what about your kids? Have you sent them off to Iraq to fight in the war you claim to support or are you just hoping poor black and Hispanic kids from the other side of the tracks will take their place like they took Baby Bush’s place in Nam?
Now tell us why we should vote for a guy who spent 20 years trying to catch a high school drop out? And by the way, can’t keep your lies straight. A few months ago you said you didn’t live in the 8th. Did you move? You lying cunt!
I think the Star of David should replace the Cross on the county seal. I’m not Jewish, but I think people like you should find out what it feels like to have someone else’s religion shoved down your throats. I’m sure you’d go running straight to the ACLU …
Commentby Roger Rabbit— 8/19/06@ 9:42 pm
It would also serve as good target practice for all you jew killing Seattle libs. hehe
“You lying cunt!”
Commentby LeftTurn [……….”Where is the Democrat “love”? “Understanding” “Tolerance”? “Compassion”? We have soooooooo much to learn from Democrats!!!! hehe, JCH]
“You lying cunt!” Commentby LeftTurn
Anonymous: You can’t change the mind of leftturdy. Once an idiot always an idiot.
JCH @ 1,
You know what, you are right. I am going to come to your house and search the place.
Carl Grossman
Liberal, Democrat, […………………………………………………………… First a “choo choo” train ride, then a shower to make you feel better! Into the boxcar, Carl!!!!]
You fucking ignorant moronic bastard child of Ann Coulter and Satan himself, you will never learn, but you will not go unchallenged.
Carl Grossman
Liberal, Democrat, […………………………………………………..Carl, Everyone loves train rides!!! Now, hop up into the boxcar!!]
left turn – got proof that I ever said I didn’t live in the 8th? Just make it up as you go! It is because of you that I stay anonymous. Your personal insults go beyond civil discourse, and I fear my personal safety if you found out my identity.
People and PACS make contributions to organizations that support their views. The 40k Reichert has received from oil companies just means that they know he understands the energy situation. The dems think we can have a growing economy without a realistic energy policy. Drilling for domestic oil to free us from the middle east just seems like common sense, but, alas, no. And the 14 billion that Reichert voted for was mostly to fund alternative energy. Guess that is just too much common sense for you.
If darcy can handle pressure, why did she wash out of msft after only three years? If she has long term commitment, why did she drop out of law school after one year? She’s a dillatante who is in the employ of the netroots.
No need to fear LeftTurn- last time he tried to shoot someone, he shot himself in the mouth- ‘cuz that was where is foot was.
Problem was, he also shot (name deleted to protect the innocent) in the ass, because that is where his mouth was.
‘Doc’ JHc, get yourself a girl friend or whatever. I worry about you. You have too much time on your hands and they’re too busy typing idiocy upon idiocy. Get a life, pal. You need one desperately. Maybe, and just maybe, you’ll make some sort of sense of the worls beyond your otherwise fascist, anti-Semitic, racist, and just plain unwholesome views. If you cant do that, visit some websties that are a bit more simpatico to you naive and immature outlooks. How old are you, anyway?
So moving up is washing out?
You still haven’t answered any of my questions about RubberStampReichert. He’s the bought and paid for shill of George Bush and the oil companies and if he were worth a flying fuck, it wouldn’t even be a contest in the 8th. But since everyone knows Davie is the guy who washed out of the KCSO just as the heat was coming on about its corrupt management, we will never know how much evil he sanctioned there. We do know he won’t represent the 8th. And no matter what lies you tell about Darcy, she’s gonna be the one to unseat the idiot who couldn’t catch a high school drop out.
As for fearing for your safety Janet S you should be afraid. Because you live in a country where the only thing between us and terrorism is the bumbling idiot GW Bush. And he’s in bed with the bin Laden family. He let Osama go. He let his family go and his daddy was eating breakfast with Osama’s brother on 9.11. That’s something to fear.
And no one here believes you live in the 8th. Get a new lie why don’t you?
http://seattletimes.nwsource.c.....dge19.html
This guy was a big shot republican in Oklahoma’s legislature before he became a judge. Republican train wreck #8484939 and no doubt Puddybutt/Webb’s daddy.
LeftTurn, how do you know he was in the ledge as a Rethug. Would not suprise me, but do you have any links. The article does not say anything.
Could you people make an effort to try to say something interesting?
Janet S –
A person is known and remembered by the choices they make in life.
If you had a choice between voting for Darcy Burner and me, who would you choose?
If you had a choice between voting for Maria Cantwell and me, who would you choose?
If you had a choice between voting for Christine Gregoire and me, who would you choose?
YOU WOULD CHOOSE ME OF COURSE!!! I AM A REPUBLICAN!!! NOT ONLY THAT BUT I’M THE ONLY ONE DRAWING AMERICA’S ATTENTION TO THE MACACAS!
VOTE FOR ME JANET S IN 2008!!! I WILL BE YOUR NEW DEAR LEADER!!!
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Don’t go there.
When has LeftMYTurdBehindLostHisBrain linked his “findings” anywhere moonbats? He is your prime candidate for the moonbat censure of the year. He is why blatherwatch calls this website mean spirited. Gold”y” needs to rid himself of human biomass such as him.
LeftMYTurdBehindLostHisBrain: more of your side are questioning your skills as a moonbat blogger. This is so much fun watching him implode.
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“Tell me moonbats, does it suck to get your ass kicked every fucking time you take me on? Don’t you get tired of it?” Commentby Mark The Redneck— 8/19/06@ 7:29 pm
You “kick” our asses? HAR! HAR! HAR! HAR! HAR! How can we get “tired” of something that happens only in your imagination? You sure have an inflated opinion of yourself.
Hey welsher, you pathetic loser, when are you going to pay Goldy the $100 you owe him?
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That isn’t MTR’s wife, that’s Mary Travers, who wouldn’t give the time of day to a dipshit like Mark. Mark’s wife was a dead crackhead. The big question is, did Mark marry his crack whore wife before or after she was dead?
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Janet sticks her head in a pail when she talks to herself so the echoes will bounce around inside her skull.
Furball for a moonbat to claim Mary Travers is MTR Kennedy’s wife demonstrates the mind of a moonbat. Simpletons from the womb.
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“How big is King County Council? 9 or 13?”
This saved taxpayers $7.4 billion? Yeah, sure …
“Is the state still allowed to discriminate based on race?”
WTF are you talking about … Tim Eyman is now MLK in whiteface?
“Are there performance audits?”
There would have been performance audits anyway … Eyman simply plagiarized a bill pending in the legislature.
“Do politicians have to let us vote on prop tax increases?”
When was the last time you got to vote on a property tax increase?
“Did legislature pass $30 tabs immediately after court made up the goofy two subject thing?”
“SECTION 19 BILL TO CONTAIN ONE SUBJECT.
No bill shall embrace more than one subject, and that shall be expressed in the title.” — Washington Constitution, Article I
“Pretty good track record if you ask me…”
Only in your hyperactive imagination.
“Commentby Mark The Redneck— 8/19/06@ 10:07 pm”
No, just more stooopidity by Mark the Thieving Welsher
Eyman “saved” taxpayers money in the same way that people “save” money by not taking their cars to the garage for routine maintenace or going to the doctor for annual checkups. By forcing local governments to neglect infrastructure, Eyman imposed big costs on taxpayers, because repairing and replacing this state’s crumbling roads and bridges is going to cost far more than timely maintenance would have.
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“No, the WMD’s were NOT destroyed in 91.” Commentby sgmmac— 8/19/06@ 10:08 pm
bullshit
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Good question, since MiGs full of sand don’t fly too good.
Oh libruls, moonbats and moby trolls: Your hero Michael Moore transmitted the following as a threat to Hillary?
“Let the resounding defeat of Sen. Joe Lieberman send a cold shiver down the spine of every Democrat who supported the invasion of Iraq and who continues to support, in any way, this senseless, immoral, unwinnable war . . .
“Nearly every Democrat set to run for president in 2008 is responsible for this war. They voted for it or they supported it . . .
“I realize that there are those like Kerry and Edwards who have now changed their position and are strongly anti-war. Perhaps that switch will be enough for some to support them. For others, like me – while I’m glad they’ve seen the light — their massive error in judgment is, sadly, proof that they are not fit for the job. . .
“To Hillary, our first best hope for a woman to become president, I cannot for the life of me figure out why you continue to support Bush and his war . . . I’m here to tell you that you will never make it through the Democratic primaries unless you start now by strongly opposing the war. It is your only hope. You and Joe have been Bush’s biggest Democratic supporters of the war. Last night’s voter revolt took place just a few miles from your home in Chappaqua. Did you hear the noise? Can you read the writing on the wall?”
Hmmm…? This is interesting stuff. Telling “the most powerful woman in the world” to toe the Michael Moore line? It doesn’t get any better than this.
Michael Moore recently transmitted this to his librul moby troll moonbat friends:
“Let the resounding defeat of Sen. Joe Lieberman send a cold shiver down the spine of every Democrat who supported the invasion of Iraq and who continues to support, in any way, this senseless, immoral, unwinnable war . . .
“Nearly every Democrat set to run for president in 2008 is responsible for this war. They voted for it or they supported it . . .
“I realize that there are those like Kerry and Edwards who have now changed their position and are strongly anti-war. Perhaps that switch will be enough for some to support them. For others, like me – while I’m glad they’ve seen the light — their massive error in judgment is, sadly, proof that they are not fit for the job. . .
“To Hillary, our first best hope for a woman to become president, I cannot for the life of me figure out why you continue to support Bush and his war . . . I’m here to tell you that you will never make it through the Democratic primaries unless you start now by strongly opposing the war. It is your only hope. You and Joe have been Bush’s biggest Democratic supporters of the war. Last night’s voter revolt took place just a few miles from your home in Chappaqua. Did you hear the noise? Can you read the writing on the wall?”
Is he really threatening Hillary? This is getting sweet!
I reposted it because I am proud of my search prowess.
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Those MiGs full of sand remind me of a joke I heard years ago.
A group of golfers were playing on the local course when a naked woman ran past them. Thirty seconds later two men in white coats ran by chasing her. Finally, five minutes behind them, came another man in a white coat carrying a bucket of sand.
Twenty minutes later, the golfers saw the first two men leading te naked woman back in the direction she had come from. A while later, came the third man in a white coat, still carrying the bucket, but now it was empty.
Overcome by curiosity, they stopped him and asked what was going on.
“Oh, we work at the mental institution over the hill, and that woman is one of the patients,” the third man said. “Every once in a while, she throws her clothes off and runs out the front door. Then we have to catch her.”
“Okay, that makes sense,” one of the golfers replied. “But what’s with the bucket of sand?”
“The sand?” the third man said. “Oh, that’s my handicap … I caught her last month.”
Michael Moore said there was no terrorist threat right? Isn’t he from Mars?
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To see what $1.5 million buys in Paranoia, HI … click here.
http://tinyurl.com/j8p45
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Yeah, my car makes noises like that just before it blows a head gasket.
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“personal insults go beyond civil discourse” Commentby Janet S— 8/19/06@ 11:24 pm
booohoooo … a Republican complaining about personal insults that go beyond civil discourse … send your complaint to Newt Gingrich or Karl Rove or George Bush or Ann Coulter or … never mind. Go out to the shed and have sex with your pet armadillo … you seem unusually horny this morning.
Roger,
If the WMD’s were all destroyed in 91 – The UN weapons inspectors wouldn’t have had anything to inspect. There were many facilities and many weapons, weapons parts, and thousands of gallons of chemical weapons. They were stored in buildings locked with special seals. When the inspectors checked – one of the things they kept track of was the seals and their numbers.
The weapons inspectors kept master lists of everything there. There was concern because lots of the chemical weapons could NOT be accounted for.
To see what $1.5 million buys in Paranoia, HI … click here.
http://tinyurl.com/j8p45
Commentby Roger Rabbit [……………………….RR, It’s the value of the land, stupid!!!! If the land grows in value by 200 grand a year per 5 acres, why work? Oh, BTW, the surf and SCUBA is world class. Just ask Carl. He is coming for a very short visit.]
Boy, “Mary” of Peter, Paul, and Mary looks like Mrs. Carl Grossman. Or Helen Thomas. She has really let herself turn into one Democrat ugly pig.
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This article refers to the ex-judge having been a state legislator. http://tinyurl.com/nu62m And this article says the scumbag fired two female courthourse employees who cooperated with investigators. http://tinyurl.com/j9uyo
133, I detect that you are just a little green with envy when discussing real estate and finance. BTW, you posted I live in a trailer park in WASH State. You are one sharp bunny!!
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Janet S would vote for this http://tinyurl.com/lwbpq if it called itself a “Republican.”
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Last time I checked, Hillary had a 30 point lead over her GOP challenger http://tinyurl.com/rsbe3 … but at this point in time, any Democrat would beat any Republican anywhere …
Puddybud –
You are known as a man who “thinks right”. That’s good. I “think right” as well especially about theMacacas.
Take the next step Puddybud. Give me $$$$$$. In 2008 as your next Dear Leader, I will allow no Macacas in my administration!!!
JCH @ 45
“About 11 million illegal immigrants were living in the U.S…[according to] the Office of Immigration Statistics in the Department of Homeland Security….[but JCH says] The estimated number of illegals in the US based on some pretty good all-source intel a few years ago was between 17 and 19 million. Today, I think it would be logical to assume that number is now at least 32 to 35 million, if not more”
The government citation can be checked; yours cannot, and your “logical” assumption is, I think, even more questionable. If you have a source to cite, cite it. Otherwise it is “logical to assume” that it is just another ignorant opinion.
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Pretty lame, Mac. You’ll have to do more than post the GOP talking points of the day, if you don’t want to get torn apart on this blog.
1. How do the UN weapons inspectors know Saddam destroyed his WMDs in 1991? Because they spent months going over records, inspecting sites, and analyzing what they find — that’s how.
2. If, as you imply, the weapons weren’t destroyed in 1991 — then where are they? Please make a list of WMDs found in Iraq. (No, MiGs buried in sand don’t count.)
3. Chemical weapons have a shelf life, and the remains of 1980s-era weapons found by inspectors are not functioning weapons.
You will be more credible on this blog if you stop parroting rightwing bullshit and deal with the realities. Those realities are:
1) Saddam was never a threat to the U.S. and never had any intention of attacking the U.S.; all of his bluster, threats, and weaponry were designed to intimidate his Arab neighbors.
2) Saddam’s arsenal was substantially destroyed in 1991.
3) Saddam tried to bluff the countries he was attempting to intimidate into believing he still had such weapons, in the end outsmarting himself, because his bluff invited UN sanctions and ultimately a US invasion.
4) Iraq did violate the Gulf War truce by shooting at US aircraft patrolling the No-Fly zones, but this was mere saber-rattling (primarily for Iraqi civilian consumption), as they never hit a US plane. And Clinton bombed them for doing it.
5) Saddam was complying with UN demands and allowing UN inspectors into his country at the time Bush invaded Iraq. The invasion terminated the inspections.
6) After the US invasion and occupation, the Bush administration spent 2 1/2 years and $90 million looking for WMDs, and didn’t find a damn thing.
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Why would I be “green with envy?” I have no mortgage payment, pay no property taxes, have a waterfront view, free food, and get laid 1,920 times a day.
In an exclusive appearance on “This Week with George Stephanopoulos”, Senator John Kerry, D-Mass., blasted fellow Democrat Senator Joe Lieberman for continuing his bid in the Connecticut Senate race despite a narrow loss to newcomer challenger Ned Lamont in the Democratic primary earlier this month.
“I’m concerned that (Lieberman) is making a Republican case,” Kerry told ABC News, accusing the 2000 Democratic vice presidential candidate of “adopting the rhetoric of Dick Cheney,” on the issue of Iraq. Kerry continued, “Joe Lieberman is out of step with the people of Connecticut,” insisting Liberman’s stance on Iraq, “shows you just why he got in trouble with the Democrats there.”
Kerry called the Connecticut Senator’s Independent bid a “huge mistake” and applauded businessman-turned-politician as “courageous” for challenging Lieberman on the war. Of his own views on Iraq, Kerry stated forthrightly, “The course of this country in Iraq is making the world more dangerous.”
Looks like Kerry is an official kook now.
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Plus, I still have all of my fur.
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And, at 17 3/8″ (fully extended on my hind legs), I’m taller than you.
I think JCH suffers from SPS. (Short person syndrome)
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Republicans started a war with lies, tortured innocent people, murdered Iraqi women and children in their homes, are losing their wars in Afghanistan and Iraq — and you call Kerry a “kook”? You wouldn’t recognize a “kook” even if one shot you between the eyes.
HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR
Republicans = kooks
Furball: You must be ignorant of the Fort Leavenworth translations RUFUS, Cynical, Puddy and others delivered many months ago. Since you “claimed” military experience how could you and Carl Grossman miss these important findings while Hans Blix was in Iraq performing “unannounced inspections”?
http://fmso.leavenworth.army.m.....-docex.htm
http://70.169.163.24/released/.....003-016083
“Saddam Regime Document CMPC-2003-016083 dated in 2001 contains a series of Top Secret memos that address the production of Nerve Gas Detectors which was prohibited by the United Nations resolutions concerning Iraq according to the document itself. The importance of the production of the Nerve Gas Detector is shown by the top secret letters exchange between the Presidential Office and the head of the Iraqi Military Industrialization Commission (M.I.C). This documents is yet another indication that Saddam Regime never stopped his WMD programs, and the nerve Gas Detector which some can see it a “defensive in nature” is not to be considered so when it comes to Saddam Regime, everything has an offensive and aggressive use.”
Look at Saddam and Nuclear Weapons Furball: Pages 186 and 193 of document BIAP 2003 00090 carry one of the most important information revealed so far regarding Saddam Nuclear Program.
Furball, I guess those people at Ft. Leavenworth are LIARS?
Carl Grossman: Check with your son. I’m sure he can prove them to be liars.
Here are the documents translated from April 2006 Furball. You can read all about them
http://patfish.blogspot.com/20.....tions.html
Iraq Trains Foreign Arab Terrorists for Suicide Attacks
Undated Document: Change Chemical, Nuclear, And Missiles Sites for Fear of Western Attack
Document Dated March 1987 Authorizes Use of Chemical Weapons in Northern Iraq
Saddam Tapes Excerpts (english translations)
Iraqi Intelligence Meets With Bin Laden in 1995
1998 Document Reveals Iraqi WMD Research Programs
Document: Saddam Ordered Biological And Radiation Test on Presidential Sites Attacked by US in 1998
Origins of the Iraqi Insurgency
Uday Recruits Murderers to Wipe Out Enemies
Terror Links to Saddam’s Inner Circle (newly revealed document)
Document: Iraqi Intelligence To Train Arab Feedayeen Terrorists In the Year 2000 (Translation)
1999, 2000 Iraqi memos: Procurement of 50000 Aluminum Tubes That Can Be Used For URANIUM ENRICHMENT
Document Dated 2001 Confirms Existence of Iraqi Chemical Platoon
2001 Top Secret Document: Production of Prohibited Nerve Gas Detectors.1624797
2001, 2002 Iraqi Memos: SECRET NUCLEAR PROJECT
Document Dated 2/7/01 Gives CNN Preferential Coverage
Document Dated March 2001 Reveals Saddam Recruiting Suicide Bombers to Hit U.S. Interests
Document Dated 9/15/01 Details Taliban Confirmation of Relationship Between Iraq and Bin Laden
September 2001 Document: Military Orders To Prepare For US Attacks Against Iraq After 9/11
Document Dated March 2002 Orders $25,000 Payment for Suicide Bombers
2002 Document Reveals Saddam Met With His Nuclear Group
Document Dated 8/2002 More Evidence of Hiding WMD’s
Document Dated 8/7/02 Details Al Qaeda Inside Iraq
2002 Document: Chemical Material Hidden Underground
2002 Document: Request For 500 KG Of SODIUM CYANIDE A Precursor For A Chemical Weapon (Translation)
November 2002 Document: Russian Company Sells Mig 29 Parts to Iraq
2002 Document: Plan To Produce Mobile Laboratories
Document from January 2003 Reveals French and German Connections
2003 Document Reveals Iraq Asks Hamas to Conduct Terrorist Attacks Against U.S.
2003 Document: Saddam Ordered To Treat The Arab Feedayeen Terrorists The Same As Iraqi Soldiers
Document Dated 2/3/03 Reveals Iraqi Chemical Group Gearing Up
March 2003 Top Secret Memo: TRANSFER OF SPECIAL AMMUNITION (POTENTIAL CHEMICAL WEAPONS) Translation
Document Dated 4/1/03 Details Instructions for Iraqi Army to Use Dead Coalition Troops
WMD’s Moved to Syria-Translation
Translations in SUBJECT order:
Bin Laden/Al Queda
Iraqi Intelligence Meets With Bin Laden in 1995
Document Dated 9/15/01 Details Taliban Confirmation of Relationship Between Iraq and Bin Laden
Document Dated 8/7/02 Details Al Qaeda Inside Iraq
Chemical Weapons
Document Dated March 1987 Authorizes Use of Chemical Weapons in Northern Iraq
Document: Saddam Ordered Biological And Radiation Test on Presidential Sites Attacked by US in 1998
Document Dated 2001 Confirms Existence of Iraqi Chemical Platoon
2001 Top Secret Document: Production of Prohibited Nerve Gas Detectors.1624797
2002 Document: Request For 500 KG Of SODIUM CYANIDE A Precursor For A Chemical Weapon (Translation)
Document Dated 2/3/03 Reveals Iraqi Chemical Group Gearing Up
March 2003 Top Secret Memo: TRANSFER OF SPECIAL AMMUNITION (POTENTIAL CHEMICAL WEAPONS) Translation
2002 Document: Chemical Material Hidden Underground (Translation)
Foreign Connections
Terror Links to Saddam’s Inner Circle (newly revealed document)
November 2002 Document: Russian Company Sells Mig 29 Parts to Iraq
Document from January 2003 Reveals French and German Connections
Propaganda
Document Dated 2/7/01 Gives CNN Preferential Coverage
September 2001 Document: Military Orders To Prepare For US Attacks Against Iraq After 9/11
Document Dated 4/1/03 Details Instructions for Iraqi Army to Use Dead Coalition Troops
Suicide Bombers
Iraq Trains Foreign Arab Terrorists for Suicide Attacks
Origins of the Iraqi Insurgency
Document: Iraqi Intelligence To Train Arab Feedayeen Terrorists In the Year 2000 (Translation)
Document Dated March 2001 Reveals Saddam Recruiting Suicide Bombers to Hit U.S. Interests
Document Dated March 2002 Orders $25,000 Payment for Suicide Bombers
2003 Document Reveals Iraq Asks Hamas to Conduct Terrorist Attacks Against U.S.
2003 Document: Saddam Ordered To Treat The Arab Feedayeen Terrorists The Same As Iraqi Soldiers
Uday Recruits Murderers to Wipe Out Enemies
Weapons of Mass Destruction
Undated Document: Change Chemical, Nuclear, And Missiles Sites for Fear of Western Attack
2001, 2002 Iraqi Memos: SECRET NUCLEAR PROJECT (Translation)
1999, 2000 Iraqi memos: Procurement of 50000 Aluminum Tubes That Can Be Used For URANIUM ENRICHMENT
Saddam Tapes Excerpts (english translations)
1998 Document Reveals Iraqi WMD Research Programs
2002 Document Reveals Saddam Met With His Nuclear Group
Document Dated 8/2002 More Evidence of Hiding WMD’s
2002 Document: Plan To Produce Mobile Laboratories
WMD’s Moved to Syria-Translation
Mike Webb Sucks –
Some time ago I requested from you pictures of Macacas. You have not complied. You are on dangerous ground.
In the world of those who “think right”, anyone who fails to hew to the strictures of proper right thinking are usually deemed liberals. They betrayed the cause or didn’t make the cut.
AS YOUR NEW DEAR LEADER, THOSE “RIGHT THINKERS” WHO BETRAY THE CAUSE OR DON’T MEASURE UP WILL BE DEEMED MACACAS!!!!
BEWARE MIKE WEBB SUCKS! DELIVER THE PICTURES OF MACACAS TO MY CAMPAIGN OFFICE SOON!!!
Furball what caught my eye was this one:
“To the Respected Responsible for the bureau of follow up and coordination.
CA11 RD
Subject: We have information about the location of the Weapons of Mass Destruction
More Leavenworth documents for Furball and Carl Grossman to read if they dare! http://70.168.46.200/Released/.....022470.pdf
In the day of 10 Mouharam before the coalition forces started the war on Iraq, 50 trucks for land transportation entered Syria on an intermittent convoy. I met some of the drivers and they did not know what they carried in these trucks. These trucks were loaded from an unknown location in Baghdad and was brought to the drivers and the Iraqi Intelligence was with them. Each time they crossed a certain distance, the Iraqi Intelligence stopped them and asked them what are they carrying and their answer was we do not know. And when these trucks arrived to Syria in the area of Deir Al Zour the drivers were taken out of their trucks and the Syrian Intelligence ride instead. These trucks were entered into large warehouses and when these trucks were emptied it was given back to the Iraqi drivers. And they were given a reward worth of 200 dollars for the safety of arrival. One of the drivers mentioned to me that this was second time they carry these secrets loads and the first time was 1 Mouharam.
I have a friend in Syria who works in a Syrian company as partner with a Syrian merchant. This person is an Iraqi ex-Consul in the Iraqi embassies and he resigned from the diplomatic circle and he has strong connection with the Iraqi Embassy in Syria and he knows all the Iraqi Intelligence and those knows that I work for the Iraqi opposition in Syria. I was visiting him daily during this period to find out the important news. When the trucks entered Syria I went to him and told him that Iraqi Weapons entered Syria so he said to me who told you that and I said to him I knew from my sources, and he told me to keep this confidential and not tell anyone because it indeed entered.
Singature
7/13
Under translation and print
Moustafa Al Khaliye.
D.O.D only, 7/13″
Also you moonbats claimed in 2005 Saddam was NOT making mobile laboratories: In the name of God the Most Merciful the Most Compassionate
Presidency of the Republic
Military Industrialization Commission
Ibn Rushd General Company
Number 10025611018
Date 11/11/2002
To: Military Industrialization Commission/Department of Projects
Subject: Investment Plan for the year 2003
In regards from the letter singed with you on 12/10/2002 regarding our company investment plan to the year mentioned above, included is the technical report according to the letter showing its details below:
1. Develop and enlarge existing laboratories, 178,000,000 Dinars
2. Prepare MOBILE LABORATORIES , In Iraqi Dinar 128,413,00 + 273,445 Euros with 10 Dinar/Euro, 27,344,500, 155,757,500 Dinars.
Total 333,757,500 Dinars
Remark: The cost of the vehicles related to the Mobile Laboratories is not determined yet.
Please review and do what is necessary… with regards
Attachements:
1.Table fof quantity+ The plan related of developing the Laboratories
2.
Signature…
Noor Al Din Abed Al Hadi
The General Director
11/11/2002
I guess Ft Leavenworth is making it up Furball and Grossman?
by George Allen [R – NoMacacas]— 8/20/06@ 9:56 am Screw you lefty moron.
by George Allen [R – NoMacacas]— 8/20/06@ 9:56 am
Go visit Hymietown. Jesse the Shakedown artist Jackson has some prime property on Long Island he can show you.
Furball and Grossman:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/.....oweish.htm
“Iraq Television reported on 4 May 2002 that Saddam Husseyn had chaired a meeting where he listened to briefings by “joint working teams” on unspecified scientific and technical questions. Iraqi TV broadcast the news in an unscheduled summary. Saddam was reported to have commended the efforts of the teams. He was quoted as saying: “My assessment of you is always 100 percent. My assessment of you as people, commanders, and fighters, is also 100 percent. Therefore we will defeat the enemy. This is our determination and confidence in our battle. Rely on God.” The meeting was also attended by Saddam’s second son, Qusay, described as member of the Iraq Command of the Arab Socialist Baath Party and supervisor of the Republican Guard. Others attending were: Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Military Industrialization Abdul-Tawwab Huwaish, Defense Minister Staff-General Sultan Hashim Ahmad, Minister of Industry and Minerals Muyassar Raja Salah, and director of the Atomic Energy Commission, Dr. Fadil al-Janabi. The commander of the air force, the commander of air defense, the dean of the Military Engineering College, the vice chairman of the Military Industrialization Organization, and “a large number of fighters, researchers, and technicians in various specialities were also there.”
Mike Webb Sucks –
You better do what Senator Allen wants Mike Webb Sucks. Look what happened to me.
The food’s terrible here. You don’t want to be a Macaca.
MTR @ 51
“The fact of the matter is that the rich pay overwhelming majority of income taxes.”
And as usual, you cloud the issue rather than clarify by inoring any taxes other than income taxes, because it gves you more compelling proportions, and leaves out what really matters to most people; the efect of taxes on them. First of all, earnings (wages) are taxed twice at the personal level. Overall, Social Security (which applies to earnings up to $87,900 per worker) and Medicare taxes actually take a larger share of earnings (12.7 percent ) than do income taxes (10.7 percent). But investment income is exempt from helping to support Social Security and Medicare. Besides which, personal taxes on earnings are now two-and-a-half times greater than personal taxes on investment income. There’s LOTS of room to increase revenue well within the limits of what an ordinary person (not you, that is) would consider “fairness.”
“the vast majority of corporations comply with ERISA requirements.”
Considering that the number of corporations who pay the mandated 35% tax rate is actually vey low, regardless of the “legality” of their exemptions I think that these isssues are raised to educate people of the extent to which “legal” exceptions to our laws have been passed and need to be repealed by a conscientious, progressive Congress.
“In the case of Tim Eyman, his taxpayer protection initiatives have saved about $7.4 billion./i>”
Well, no fucking WONDER our state is a billion bucks in the hole, then, Eymena’s nititives have deprived the apparatus we enacted to provide for our common welfare of the funds needed to function. What a dick; and it really looks like the people are no longer willing to be deluded by him again.
“Hussein repeatedly violated 16 UN resolutions going back to 1990 which were intended to ensure that Iraq did not pose a threat to global peace.”
Oh, please. Those resolutions were for the Security Council to enforce. We gave them a big “Fuck You” and invaded EVEN THOUGH the inspections were WORKING and establishing that there were NO weapons of mass destruction, or even a fucking flask of a precursor chemical, anywhere in Iraq. Nt to mention that the incvasion violated the UN charter and other nternationl treaties to which the US was party (which makes them the “supreme law of the land,” if you forget your US Constitution)
“You say you don’t understand global warming. You’re right. Neither does anybody else.”
Wrong. There is a huge body of work and several thousand professional climatologists who understand it very well. They think you’re a wanker.
“The fact of the matter is that current temperatures are NOT beyond historical norms.”
Tehre IS “natural” climate change, and climatlogists are well aware of it. Fro example, we have periods fo coling or warming based on the confluence of three major effects:
1. Changes in the tilt of the Earth’s axis.
2. Changes to the departure of the Earth’s orbit from a circular shape, affectign whether the Earth is much closer to the sun in part of its orbit.
3. When the Earth is farthest from the sun during the Northern Hemisphere’s summer.
These changes take place very slowly – over thousands of years. In contrast, greenhouse warming is taking place much more rapdily – on a time scale of a century. Because of this, ecosystems have much less time to adjust to the changes. Why do we think there’s a human factor here? Well, a short answer is that if by leaving out the anthropogenic effects you fail to match the observed record, while if you include them, you do, you have a quick-and-dirty way to do ‘detection and attribution.’ And that is what has happened. First, because we know greenhouse gases are accumulating in the atmosphere in levels that haven’t been experienced in the past few tens of millions of years. Second, because the pattern of the observed warming fits the pattern we would expect from warming caused by the buildup of greenhouse gases (specifically, almost all areas of the planet are warming; the Earth’s surface and lower atmosphere are warming; the upper atmosphere is cooling; the temperature changes are greatest in the Arctic during winter). Third, the warming is much more rapid than the natural variations we’ve seen in the past. A concise summary of research to date is available at http://www.ipcc.ch/pub/spm22-01.pdf
“That being the case, who’s to say that we need to wreck our economy to stop a problem that may not exist?”
There’s no doubt (except in your mind) about the existence of the “problem.” And your assertion that we would “wreck our economy” to mitigate or adapt could use some support, don’t you think? Here’s a nice, simple case for you to consider: energy conservation has, in practice, usually provided good environmental benefit and provided a net cost saving to the energy user. Similarly, converting our energy sources from fossil fuel to renewable energy such as solar energy is an important mitigation measure. Historically, both alarms of impending ecological disaster AND dire predictions about the harmful economic effects of mitigation have often turned out to be overblown.
More mitigation and adaptation information: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M.....al_warming
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A.....al_warming
Jant S @ 68
“The netroots are calling the shots on her campaign. Good! See where it is getting lamont?”
You mean a resounding primary victory over an incumbent Senator? Yeah, I’ll bet he’s sorry now.
smgmmac @ 88
“No, the WMD’s were NOT destroyed in 91. The UN inspectors were monitoring them – some of them for years.”
Umm, yes they were. This was the conclusion of both the UN Inspection program and the Congressional Committee investigation.
“ There were numerous missing cannisters of chemical weapons.”
No, it was predicted by the UN inspectors that over time, some of the old, pre-1991 chemical wepaons shells would turn up here or there, ancient and useless. A few have, to no one’s surprise ecept the wingnuts.
“At the beginning of this Iraq war, they found hundreds of rockets that were illegal because of their range.”
Their “illegal” range was a (disputed) matter of about 30 kilometers (150 v. 180), they were found BEFORE the war by UN inspectors, and the UN team crushed ALL of the missiles, bulldozed them into a pit, and entombed them in concrete. NOT an issue.
“I don’t belong to an organized political party. I’m a Democrat.” – Will Rogers.
MWS at various places is trying to revive the “Saddam had WMD” debate, bringing up a bunch of documents that even the Pentagon doesn’t believe, and others that the Pentagon agrees were not evidence of a WMD program or usable WMDs.
While it won’t put this mess to rest (hey, some folks still believe that the Apollo program was a Hollywood stunt, and that Elvis is living in a Texas rest home), for anyone else that would like an easy reference to refute this absurd claim, here it is.
http://fl1.findlaw.com/news.fi.....3004kf.pdf
As you’ll note, the document clearly indicates that Saddam would have liked to have WMDs, and indeed, had every intention of rebuilding his WMD programs as soon as he could, but that the embargo and inspections were preventing any serious attempts in that area.
The detailed reports also show that he had stocks of degraded (not usable as weapons) chemical warfare material. Yes, everyone knows that. Yes, some of those chemicals were still dangerous, and had to be handled and disposed of very carefully.
Perhaps some will say that means he had weapons of mass destruction, but from my perspective, “weapon” indicates something that is more dangerous to an enemy than it is the troops handling it.
I have an old shotgun at home, given to me by my grandfather. I suppose it could be considered a weapon, as I could use it as a club, but if I actually fired the thing, it would be more likely to hurt me than anyone it was aimed at.
Saddam’s WMDs were in far worse condition than my old shotgun. They were no longer useable as weapons, had not been useable for years, and even the Pentagon agrees with that assessment.
Oh, and by the way. Just for the record, we all agree that Saddam was a bad person, and that he was a disease on the face of the world. Nobody here seriously disagrees with that statement.
The question we ask is “was the cure worse than the disease?”
Mike Webb Sucks @ 156
Documents? Right. NOT.
The refutation of the wingnut bullshit is swift and sure. “Bush’s Bogus Document Dump” does the job.
“Lacking evidence of a real-world link between Saddam and the perpetrators of 9/11, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, headed by Bush appointee John Negroponte, has apparently decided to create one in cyberspace — by seeding its new online Operation Iraqi Freedom Documents archive with suggestive jihadist materials, and by linking the site to an entirely unrelated database of al-Qaida materials.” [that’s your “Harmony database” — Daddy Love]
“The first surprising thing we find in the documents, which are available here through the U.S. Army Foreign Military Studies Office’s Joint Reserve Intelligence Center, is that they are not necessarily from, or even about, Iraq.”
“…visitors learn that “Other released documents can be found at http://www.ctc.usma.edu/harmony_docs.asp.” This link leads to the Harmony Database at the West Point Combating Terrorism Center, a collection of recently posted al-Qaida documents that have no connection, real or claimed, to Iraq. Whether intentional or not, the conflation and confusion of materials has been more than sufficient to convince bloggers on the political right that there were, as Bush officials insisted, operational links between Saddam’s Iraq and al-Qaida.”
Cral, NO! There is no “bathroom” on the train!!!
Salon.com… now there’s ‘fair and balanced’.
Good grief.
In the final week of his 20-year tenure as mayor of Newark, Sharpe James took a five-day trip to Rio de Janeiro, staying in a luxury hotel and dining at some of the city’s finest restaurants.The mayor, traveling with an aide and two police bodyguards, stayed at Caesar Park Ipanema Hotel, a four-star resort, and enjoyed meals at Marius Crustaceos and Don Camillo, upscale eateries on the Copacabana beachfront.
Another fine, upstanding Liberal Democrat Mayor………
Just giving himself a little “reward” for doing such a good job for all of the black folk. The ‘Rat sense of entitlement knows no bounds, and it’s always more fun to spend someone else’s money. Democrat “public sevice”: “loading up” at the public trough!!!
BTW, Mayor “MoFo” James be da Democrat Afro “MoFo”!!
Daddy Luv: Your article cherry picks 4 documents from the how many I placed above? And this URL is conclusive evidence to what?
Did I focus on “operational links between Saddam’s Iraq and al-Qaida.”? Nope. I brought up weapons!
HowCan: Of course a moonbat first scours the Internet for moonbat URLs. Can you ask for anything less?
I’ll stand by waiting for your next try Daddy Luv.
Macaca is too close to moonbat for me. I won’t join moonbatville.
WOW. I have posted anything for over 12 hours and John Craig is still targeting me. I had no idea the power I had to get so into his head and mess with him. I am the Gary Payton of HA, I have trashed talked him out of his mind. I am all he thinks about. Poor, lifeless bastard child of Anne Coulter and Satan himself.
Carl Grossman
Liberal, Democrat and just reporting the facts.
Saddam’s WMDs were in far worse condition than my old shotgun.
Commentby John Barelli [Total bull shit. Saddam had hundreds of millions of dollars tp improve and upgrade his military and weapons. Your statement is a total bull shit Democrat lie.
Mike Webb Sucks,
If you do not obey the dictates of your next Dear Leader and deliver those pictures of Macacas to my campaign office, you will have NO CHOICE in the matter
YOU WILL BE IN DEEP MACACA!!!!
“I don’t belong to an organized political party. I’m a Democrat.” – Will Rogers.
JCH at 176
“Your statement is a total bull shit Democrat lie”
Ah, JCH. Cordial and polite as always.
You’ll notice that I didn’t use the Salon article, as I recognize that Salon tends to be as “Fair and Balanced” as Fox News. Not quite as blatantly biased, but their credibility is suspect.
That’s why I went over to FindLaw, among many other sources. The report there is from the White House’s Iraq Survey Group (ISG). While you are welcome to state that the White House is not a reliable source for information, I’m really not sure that helps your case.
Even the US military agrees that the items found were not evidence of an ongoing WMD program and were “seriously degraded”.
John Barelli: When was the Findlaw document written?
2003
2004
2005
2006
“Throughout the 1990s and up to OIF (March 2003),”
If it’s before this year, sorry I reject it as OLD material.
Mike Webb Sucks @ 173
So he “cherry picks” documents? Or is it that he chose representative samples. You are afraid to believe that he’s right, because that makes you stupid.
I randomly looked in on he documents you so proudly cut and pasted:
“WMD’s Moved to Syria-Translation “
Some trucks went from Iraq to Syria–no one knows what was in them. Convincing.
“2002 Document: Request For 500 KG Of SODIUM CYANIDE A Precursor For A Chemical Weapon (Translation)”
So a “request” was submitted by a “Military factory” for “500 Kilograms of SODIUM CYANIDE (NaCN), 15 tonnes of HYDROCHLORIC ACID ( HCL), and 30 tonnes of SULFURIC ACID (H2SO4),” which can all be used for “other military and civilian applications,” and with no information that this “request” was ever filled and, of course, none of these chemicals were found by UN inspectors. Convincing. Not.
Of course, the Duelfer Report (that is, the final report of the Iraq Survey Group) concluded that while Iraq had conducted “a modest amount of dual-use research,” and that “There are no credible indications that Baghdad resumed production of chemical munitions that they had “no credible indications that Iraq acquired or attempted to acquire large quantities of these [nerve gas precursor] chemicals through its existing procurement networks.”
“2001, 2002 Iraqi Memos: SECRET NUCLEAR PROJECT (Translation)”
this document supposedly “talks about” a project to use 20-year-old components from the previously destroyed TAMUZ Nuclear Reactor to build a “Nuclear Simulator Reactor.”
Of course, the Duelfer Report (that is, the final report of the Iraq Survey Group) found no evidence anywhere in Iraq “to suggest concerted efforts to restart the Iraqi nuclear program,” stated unequivocally that Iraq’s nuclear “intellectual capital” had decayed since 1991, that Iraq had no nuclear enrichment program, but they WERE aware that some “documents and technology” had been retained and that “the Iraqi Atomic Energy Commission sustained some talent and limited research with potential relevance to a reconstituted nuclear program,” which DID NOT CHANGE THEIR CONCLUSIONS.
So, a random search through the documents leads to the same conclusion: that they do not suport what you claim they do. Additionally, Mike Webb Sucks, you are the one doing the so-called “cherry-picking.” Evaluating ntelligence requires a bit more than uncritically accepting the contents (or even more uncritically reading the titles without going through the docuemtns themselves) of a SELECTED SET of documents. You don’t know what other documentation was available, you don’t know how credible the sources of the documents are, you don’t know how many such documents (much like the tody’s Bush administration) falsely coveyed an optimistic assessment of programs that were in reality a sorry shambles.
While the UN inspection team are the best in the world at what they do, and they DO the work of comparing and evaluating that you, sadly, cannot and do not.
Ah yes Daddy Luv, the Duelfer Report. More on that in a moment.
Where did I cherry pick the translated documents? I delivered all the translated documents upto 4/2006. I said this one caught my eye. Trying to twist my words?
I will go to the Ft. Leavenworth site later for the latest translations.
That would be “falsely conveyed an optimistic assessment of programs,” and not “falsely COVEYED an optimistic assessment of programs.”
British Prime Minister Tony Blair had just the opposite take on the information in the report, saying it demonstrated the U.N. sanctions were not working and Saddam was “doing his best” to get around them.
He said the report made clear that there was “every intention” on Saddam’s part to develop WMD and he “never had any intention of complying with U.N. resolutions.”
At a hearing of the Senate Armed Services Committee Wednesday, panel Chairman John Warner, R-Virginia, called the findings “significant.”
“While the ISG has not found stockpiles of WMD, the ISG and other coalition elements have developed a body of fact that shows that Saddam Hussein had, first, the strategic intention to continue to pursue WMD capabilities; two, created ambiguity about his WMD capabilities that he used to extract concessions in the international world of disclosure and discussion and negotiation.
Somehow Tony Blair is more articulate than most moonbats here on AssesHorse!
MWS
“Where did I cherry pick the translated documents? I delivered all the translated documents upto 4/2006”
No, you didn’t. You linked to a Web site that contains links to translations of some selected set of documents. As I said, you don’t know what other documentation was available, you don’t know how credible the sources of the documents are, you don’t know how many such documents (much like the tody’s Bush administration) falsely coveyed an optimistic assessment of programs that were in reality a sorry shambles. If you are thus being used to disseminate misinfromation, you don’t know it. If there are other documents in the same DB or oher recovered documents from Iraq that present a different picure, you don’t know it.
Oh, and you’ll now link to some other wingnut site that purports to take down the Duelfer Report? This should be fun. Because all those other Iraq Survey Groups were there a the same time, don’t you know.
The bottom line? The administration consciosuly hawked (mostly by carefully studied implication for the sake of the “plausible deniability” I’m sure you now use) an operational connection between Iraq and al Qaida that simply did not exist and the threat of nuclear weapons originating in IRaq being used agaisnt the US, and threat which also did not exist, and was known before the war began not to exist.
The new Dmocratic majority should be able to uncover all soerts of shit you will deny ever happened even after the proof is revealed.
MWS
“He said the report made clear that there was “every intention” on Saddam’s part to develop WMD and he “never had any intention of complying with U.N. resolutions.””
Neither point is disputed. The points YOU erroneously dispute is that Iraq had no viable chemical weapons programs, no nuclear program at all, adn that these things were known and knowable before our country invaded ann occupied Iraq.
Let us now praise the underpaid, selfless civil servant.
Wait — does such a person exist in federal employ?
Excuse me while I chortle.
Oh sure, union officials, civics texts, and those blue-ribbon panels set up by defensive politicians often imply (and sometimes baldly assert) that government workers receive less pay than private employees. Sometimes they even bring up ideas like “selfless service.”
Add a touch of cynicism to this, and you might say that government workers exchange higher pay for job security. (It can sure be hard to fire a bureaucrat.)
But it’s high time to dismiss the myth. As the Bureau of Economic Analysis reported this month, federal civil servants receive far, far more in wages and benefits than workers in the private sector. Indeed, twice as much.
Average compensation for federal civilian workers last year came to $106,579 — which Chris Edwards of the Cato Institute notes is “exactly twice the average compensation paid in the U.S. private sector.” Throw out the benefits and the difference is less, but still a whopping 62 percent more for the federal worker.
Of course, past figures used to bolster up the “underpaid civil servant” notion ignore benefits and consider just the nominal wage rate. But today’s 62 percent difference is hard to ignore, isn’t it?
But face it: nominal wages aren’t real wages; for a true comparison we must add on all the benefits, as Edwards does: “Federal workers receive generous health benefits during work and retirement, a pension plan with inflation protection, a retirement savings plan with generous matching contributions, large disability benefits, and union protections.” Let me put a stop to transcribing here. There’s a lot more, and I don’t get paid enough to risk carpal tunnel.
Figuring in all the benefits, Edwards suggests that government employees should be paid less than private sector employees, not more.
Daddy Luv sorry for the delay. I don’t possess te Internet skills of others who are your political foes. I had to figure out where they were Daddy Luv. You could have found them too. I guess one of us is lazy, and it’s not me!
All of the documents translated to date are here: http://70.168.46.200/allFiles.aspx
Looks like 84 pages of them for 3108 documents so far.
OK..A news flash from Maui……..Guess who is back at Kapalua, Maui, playing the Plantation [PGA] course, eating at the Ritz, Roy’s and the Plantation, and staying at the best hotel Maui has to offer in Kapalua. Yes, the New Orleans Levy Board, all black and all Democrat, and all armed with “guvment” credit cards, are running up huge tabs at “THE SPA” and the bars. Yes, these “public [on the “guvment” dole] hack Democrats” are “saving the poor black folk” in New Orleans by spending thousands for a first class junket in Maui!! Totally classic!! I don’t know if they flew “first class”, so I will save that info for later!! Yes, That evil George Bush destroyed New Orleans, and the liberal Democrat “Levy Board” are forced to travel to Kapalua, Maui to save the homeless and poor, forgotten black Democrats in the 9th ward!!!! This is soooooooo funny!!! More on this tomorrow!!!!!
Should we take up a collection from dumb ass liberals to send to the New Orleans Levy Board. Why should they drink Korbel when they could be drinking “DOM”? [or Black Velvet, King Cobra, or Thunderbird?] Dems LOVE to spend other people’s money. “Guvment” is just a smokescreen. BTW, ANY questions about and of this is racist and may not be “axed”. hehe, JCH
Mike Webb Sucks @ 188
“You could have found them too. I guess one of us is lazy, and it’s not me!”
Oh, so I should support my own points and yours too? Not bloody likely.
Yeah, I’ll bet that’s just a treasure trove of unvarnished truthiness:
” The US Government has made no determination regarding the authenticity of the documents, validity or factual accuracy of the information contained therein, or the quality of any translations, when available. ”
That’s why I was asying that it takes teams of professionals armed with a knowledge of the language, culture, and political history, along with a knowledge of the sources of the various documents and their reliability, before any analysis or interpretation can be offered, and even that with some probabalistic caveats. That’s why the Bushies set up the Office of Special Plans in the DoD, so that wackjob Doug Feith (whom Tommy Franks memorably called “the fucking stupidest guy on the face of the earth”) could cherry pick raw documents and use them to “prove” whatever he wanted without those pesky professional CIA analysts (who before the war had not yet been purged by Porter Goss or DNI Negroponte) saying what was or was not likely to be true.
JCH @ 189
Tha’s funny—there are no Google hits verifying your claim about the New Orleans Levy Board stayig in Maui, but YOUR POSTS about them are two of the top five hits. Lacks a little, shall we say, substantiation.
IF there were real WMD’s in Iraq, or even some sort of an effort to “reconstitute” Iraq’s WMD program, don’t you think that everyone in the Bush administration and Fox News would be repeating those “findings” at every opportunity?
Of course they would!
Bush, Cheney, Condi, Rumsfeld, Snow, Rove, et al, would be touting the “evidence” at every single opportunity they could. Especially given the American public’s disapproval rating on Iraq.
That’s just the facts of the matter. So the bottom line is this: either Republicans know the WMD fiasco is just that and they avoid talking about it as to not remind the public of their fuck up, or, they are so out of touch with mainstream America that they don’t deserve to govern.
Either way, they don’t deserve to govern because their basic flaw is dishonesty.
Dishonesty is the single best word to describe Republicans these days.
GBS @ 191
I particularly like how Bush has been forced to admit publicly several times that Iraq was not involved in the 9/11 attacks. Yet he brings them up together as part of the “GWoT” still all the time, conflating them in his listeners’ minds. Yes, dishonesty.
In today’s press conferernce, Bush showed us some new spin on this matter: “He admitted that Iraq was not connected to 9/11 but insisted that “no one in his administration” has ever claimed that “Saddam Hussein ordered the 9/11 attacks.” Well, of course not. But IRaq and 9//1, or Iraq and Al Qaeda, were put together in his speeches again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again. Gee, I wonder how people got the idea there was a connection? From nowhere, I guess.
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