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The good news is that the heat wave we flew into on the East coast finally broke last night when a front came through. The bad news is that the resulting thunderstorm knocked out power.

I’ll try to post something substantive tonight, but in the meanwhile talk amongst yourselves.

Comments

  1. Well, Bush has vetoed stem cells because a small fraction of people are against it.

    Since a majority of people are against the Iraq war, I assume he will be vetoing any bills dealing with that. And since half the people are against his unconstitutional wiretapping, I guess he will stop that also.

    Wow, it is nice that the president is finally doing what the people want now, versus whatever he wants to do.

  2. GWB doesn’t govern by polls. Never has. He’s not a whore like your boy bubba was.

    Instead, he governs by something called “Principles”. In this case, he took a principled stand against murdering unborn children.

    BTW, in Iraq, he took a principled stand on a concept called “freedom” and “security”.

    Understand?

  3. First ever veto.

    What a loser.

    Good thing he’ll lose control of the house/senate this fall. We can’t take much more of this….

  4. Mark – Your ignorance is showing. Ebryonic stem cells are not alive, unborn children — any more than the cells on your arm are wish you happily wash off (presumably) in the shower.

    May you never have a disease like Ronald Reagan….

  5. Well, JDB may I assume you are sending donations to your favorite medical research organization(s) that has no compunction to kill babies in order to conduct their research.

  6. Yes, we finally agree “Faur Redneck” Bush governs according to Corporatist principles. He’s in Iraq to help out BP, the Saudies who have declining oil supplies and American oil interests. His stand on so-called “murdering of unbord children” is based on the principle of “make sure we keep our Christian base” together for the 2006 elections.. Especially since his base seems to be annoyed with his sudden departure to the so-far unused Principles of Diplomacy.

    If he’s one thing, it is principled and inconsistent.

    But then, so are you. On the one hand, you hate Jews, Gays, poor people, Blacks, but you love embryos. Go figure.

  7. BTW, how many “embryo funerals” have you attended? I would think quite a few at the rate they are being “murdered.” You are a grave diggers best friend! Hope you are acting according to your convictions. Actually, another way to make another million . . . go for it. Right your ethical alley!

    “Get your embryo funeral here! Good prices! Two for one on Mondays! Get ’em here!”

  8. Hopefully Mark The Cowardly Redneck gets a major disease that stem cell research could cure. Then we can laugh at him while he withers up and dies knowing his hero vetoed a bill that could have saved his worthless life.

  9. I think we’ve established pretty clearly here on the solar warming debate that you guys are certainly in no position to make judgements about science. Same goes here…

  10. The dead skin on my arm doesn’t have the potential to be a new child. An embryo does. Why is that so hard to understand? Welcome to the brave new world where embryos are bred. Nice to know that doesn’t even make you hesitate.

    No one is stopping the scientific community from researching embryonic stem cells. The reason it hasn’t taken off is because so far the research has come up dry. Adult stem cell research, on the other hand, is making some significant advances. Why should the govt get involved in a technology that private money won’t fund?

    BTW, if Saddam was still in power, do you think he would be sitting on the sidelines right now, as Israel cleans up a big mess? The rest of the Arab world is staying very quiet about Israel is doing. Hezbollah made a big strategic error on this one.

  13. All you lefties – if you needed a kidney transplant to stay alive, would you be willing to buy one from a prisoner in China? As I recall, Germans and Japanese were doing all sorts of medical experiments during WWII, and the medical community rejected all of the research, because of the ethics. Just speaking for myself, I really don’t think we need to breed people to make medical breakthroughs. There are more ethical solutions.

  14. Gimme a break!

    Billions of taxpayer dollars are going into embryo stem cell reasearch already…..

    California, Mass, and I do believe here in Washington we have Christine Gregoire’s Life Sciences Discovery Fund……….

  15. When are you going to pay Goldy the $100 you owe him, Dr. Redneck? We are all waiting to witness your scintillating intellect in a debate with dj.

  16. Janet,

    You are comparing Apples and Orangutans.

    If Bush is truly concerned about this, why isn’t he calling for the shutting down of all fertility clinics? He can’t because this is just a craven political act. It has NOTHING to do with his so called principals.

  17. More stray bullets from “Coward Redneck” and Janet. How come you never answer the hard questions, Janet? You just show up to shoot more blanks. I don’t get that.

    At least you inadvertently used the correct term: “potential” life. Currently, an embryo is the “stuff of life” and it can be used to help all life. And, no, adult cells are not better.

    Why shouldn’t the government get involved? Most of the research that has resulted in innovated cures was done with government funding.

    You have an eery and odd way of looking at things. You sort of miss half of each equation.

  18. BTW, Mark, why are we in Saudi Arabia freeing the women? Oh, I know. Saudi women aren’t “rich White Males.”

  19. #9 Cowardly REDNECK: I think we’ve established pretty clearly here on the solar warming debate that you guys are certainly in no position to make judgements about science. Same goes here…

    Do you only read rightwing talking points? The science of global warming and what is causing it is no longer disputed among 90% of scientists.

    You must be in a business and you must profit from denying the science. That would be the only reason you would continue to parrot such outmoded thinking. So, you would murder life on this planet for profit? You have no business opining on embryo life at all. You have given up that right altogether.

  20. So, which of you righties has adopted an embryo through the

    Snowflakes Program?

    The Bush administration has put $1 million into it, and, according to their fact sheet, only 99 embryo adoptions have taken place, so far.

    If you think these embryos are being murdered, for crying out loud, how can you not?

  22. 13 Janet S All you lefties – if you needed a kidney transplant to stay alive, would you be willing to buy one from a prisoner in China? As I recall, Germans and Japanese were doing all sorts of medical experiments during WWII, and the medical community rejected all of the research, because of the ethics. Just speaking for myself, I really don’t think we need to breed people to make medical breakthroughs. There are more ethical solutions.

    What gives you the right to tell lefties what they do? That’s another stray bullet. Can’t you arm yourself with some facts before you post?

    Oh, now embryos are people . . . well, let’s work this through before we post.

    They are now people? How many embryo funerals have you attended? Must remember the little ones afterall . . .

  23. Tell us… embryonic stem cell research goes on in some ferin countries. How many treatments have been developed as a result of this?

    Answer later…

  25. Yes or No?

    Does adult stem cell research exist?

    How many bona fide treatments have been developed from adult stem cell research?

  27. Janet, I agree with your point on breeding embryos for research, but this bill wasn’t about that. It was about using embryos that will go down a sink drain.

  28. smeg, good post. I wonder if Janet (and you) will not disavow fertility clinics ability to stay in business . . .

  29. Janet S @ 9 says:

    “The dead skin on my arm doesn’t have the potential to be a new child. An embryo does. Why is that so hard to understand?”

    Because it’s scientifically wrong.

    That’s what’s most scary…scientifically unsound positions like this become said over and over and over again until people assume they are true.

    ALL cells have the potential to be a new child.

    The sooner facts take hold, the better. Until then, we’ll have to live with ingorance affecting our decisions. Scary, very scary.

  31. Thanks Thomas Trainwinder. I thought I’d heard that as well but didn’t want to post when I wasn’t sure. You should try that Janet.

  32. Redneck,
    If you truly believe that Bush governs by adherence to principles, then your lack of acquaintance with reality is even more profound than I had previously thought. Bush governs by way of the following: “Karl, what do we do on this one? Do you think that’s right, Dick?”

  33. Experts rip Rove stem cell remark
    Researchers doubt value of adult cells

    By Jeremy Manier and Judith Graham
    Tribune staff reporters
    Published July 19, 2006

    White House spokesman Ken Lisaius on Tuesday could not provide the name of a stem cell researcher who shares Rove’s views on the superior promise of adult stem cells.

    One of the only published scientists arguing that adult stem cells are better is David Prentice, a former professor of life sciences at Indiana State University and now a fellow at the Family Research Council, a conservative advocacy group.

    The letter to Science last week was critical of a list Prentice compiled of 72 diseases that have been treated with adult stem cells.

    Yet most of the treatments on the list “remain unproven,” wrote Teitelbaum of Washington University and his co-authors, who claimed that Prentice “misrepresents existing adult stem cell treatments.”

    Prentice said in an interview that the Science authors “put words in our mouths”–he never claimed that the adult stem cell therapies were proven, only that they had benefited some patients. But he said some of his citations were unwarranted.

    “We’ve cleaned up that list now,” he said. Asked how the errors occurred, he said, “I think things just got stuck in.”

    One of the scientists on Prentice’s list is Dr. Joanne Kurtzberg, a pediatric hematologist at Duke University Medical Center who has used umbilical cord blood to treat Tay-Sachs disease and other rare disorders. Kurtzberg said it’s wrong to see stem cell science as a competition with only one winner.

    “We don’t know enough about the potential of either kind of cell,” Kurtzberg said. “I don’t think one type is going to be the answer to everything.”

  34. “Cowardly Redneck” – you have a lot of questions to answer first. Instead of asking stupid questions, why not answer of few wise ones:

  35. Gidget, I think fertility clinics are just fine. They have created some problems though…… I saw a TV show with dozens and dozens of babies all fathered by the same sperm donor and some were concerned that brothers and sisters could meet and marry and never know it. But I suppose it’s no worse that the LDS off-shoots that practice polygamy and are so inbred it’s crazy.

  36. Mark the Yellowback Limbaugh:

    First, pay your bets, you welching coward.

    Second, As sgmmac points out, this is about using embryos that are going to be flushed away anyway. Or do you and Janet S. believe that every time we make an embryo for implantation, that they all must be implanted? We have millions of them sitting in liquid nitrogen all around the country. We can either use them to help cure people and find out more about ourselves, or we can send them down the drain. Heck, even most of the wingnuts agree with us normal people like this.

    And, Yellowback, if your arguments on global warming are as bad as your economic arguments, please re-post them, as I could use the chuckle. But let’s face it, you are against global warming because if everyone agrees it is getting hotter, you can’t use your old “Shrinkage” line to explain why your penis is so small.

  37. Damn you, guys! I turned on the bold and forgot to turn it off by cancelling my post. But, as you can see by my comment signature, I failed!

    Questions for Cowardly Redneck:

    1. Why do you not believe in the generally accepted science of global warming?
    2. Why do you hate poor people?
    3. Why do you hate people with MS?
    4. How many embryo funerals have you attended?
    5. Why do you hate children with spina byfida?
    6. How many embryos have you adopted?
    7. Why do you only read the right’s talking points?
    8. Why do you only watch Fox?
    9. Why do you hate scientific inquiry?

    That’s enough for now. I’ll be awaiting your responses.

  38. smeg: Gidget, I think fertility clinics are just fine. They have created some problems though…… I saw a TV show with dozens and dozens of babies all fathered by the same sperm donor and some were concerned that brothers and sisters could meet and marry and never know it. But I suppose it’s no worse that the LDS off-shoots that practice polygamy and are so inbred it’s crazy.

    I saw that too. It was strange and I wondered the same things. Seems like they need to regulate and create some sort of registry that will prevent those problems. Perhaps donors need to be limited to a low number of donations. I thought that was interesting to say the least . . . it left me kind of speechless.

  40. Finally, I am so sorry I turned on the bold! Can’t turn it off now! Goldy’s gotta do something about this! I’ll check html on the web and see if I can fix it. Promise.

  41. OK… you guys obviously don’t know the answers. Here they are:

    1) Zero results so far from ferin embryonic research.

    2) No, it does NOT outlaw research; simply doesn’t expand fed funding.

    3) 80 treatments from adult stem cells…

    So as usual, you guys don’t have any fucking idea what the issue is even about. You’re just illustrating how fucking gullible you are when fed by the old media…

  42. Skag – Here are some answers…

    1. Why do you not believe in the generally accepted science of global warming?

    Answer: Because it is bullshit. I believe THE FUCKING SUN causes global warming.

    2. Why do you hate poor people?

    Answer: Because they are a parasitic burden on society. They are generally of weak moral character.

    7. Why do you only read the right’s talking points?

    Answer. They are not “talking points”. They are The Truth.

    8. Why do you only watch Fox?

    Answer: Because the MSM lies to advance their moonbat hate agenda. Actually, I watch MSM sometimes, but only to laugh at them.

    9. Why do you hate scientific inquiry?

    I love scientific inquiry. It’s what I do for a living, and I make a shitload of money doing it. But most of what you guys believe is religion not science.

  45. Those who oppose embryonic stem cell research are simplistic people, incapable of the hard moral decisions that real life requires. They scream, “Slippery slope! If we permit an embryo to be used for research purposes, the next thing you know, the government will be paying women to have babies so they can be butchered for scientists!” Guess what, you philosophic neanderthals. Life exists on a slippery slope. Even Christ’s command to love might sometimes require killing; for instance, in the classic case of Bonhoeffer’s plan to kill Hitler. Real people are living, suffering, and likely to die because we won’t permit research involving “potential” life. When will you rightwing pieces of shit get a grip on what morality demands?

  46. Yep, MTR, all the crime is in librul Seattle….

    Man arrested in fatal Kirkland fire
    Victims were stabbed before home set ablaze

    A neighbor has been arrested in connection with the four deaths from Monday’s house fire in Kirkland, which authorities Wednesday said was deliberately set in an apparent attempt to cover up the stabbing murders of all four victims.

    The man was arrested shortly before 3 p.m. in the Rose Hill area of Kirkland, near the site of the fire, said Capt. Eric Olson of the Kirkland Police Department. Olson said the adult male is being investigated for homicide and arson.

    http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/.....e18ww.html

  47. JDB – Thanks for asking me to re-post “Moonbat Economic Theory 101”. With pleasure, here it is:

    Government exists to make private wealth possible.
    Commentby Belltowner— 3/12/06@ 4:15 pm

    I like Castro’s system better. He confiscates the employer’s property, shoots the employer, and the workers get quality health care for free. We need something like that in America.
    Commentby Roger Rabbit— 3/19/06@ 3:42 pm

    Don’t talk to me about “core beliefs…”
    Commentby headless lucy— 3/25/06@ 7:07 pm

    …the oil industry is a zero sum game ( like checkers )
    Commentby headless lucy— 4/9/06@ 2:56 pm

    “…higher PRODUCTIVITY means fewer jobs…”
    Commentby Donnageddon— 4/9/06@ 4:06 pm

    “Most wealthy people inherited their wealth and haven’t worked a day in their lives…”
    Commentby headless lucy— 4/13/06@ 5:14 pm

    ..Corporate profits are driven by the cheap labor binge. Corporate executives, board members and their lackeys have rewarded themselves hugely.
    Commentby For the Clueless— 4/15/06@ 12:12 pm

    America has been reduced to an oil for paper trade.
    Commentby For the Clueless— 4/15/06@ 1:05 pm

    …The only way to battle the oil-paper-land casino is to opt out of it through micro-capitalism, localized production and consumption…
    Commentby For the Clueless— 4/15/06@ 4:21 pm

    The rich people who get all these tax breaks lend us that money back in the form of government bonds that they buy and that we have to repay them at interest.
    This is not investing in the economy. It’s a double jeopardy rip-off!
    Commentby harry poon— 4/18/06@ 8:21 pm

    …I said the revenue was the result of deficit SPENDING DO YOU SEE THE WORD “SPENDING” SPENDING SPENDING SPENDING…
    Commentby dlaw— 4/18/06@ 10:17 pm

    “This most recent round of tax cuts will continue to explode the deficit by giving away over $900 Billion to the super-rich over the next ten years. [4/5/06 NYTimes]
    Commentby Harry Tuttle aka Voter Advocate— 4/24/06@ 5:17 pm

    How about redistributing the wealth so the top 1% don’t own 60% of all the property in theU.S.?
    Commentby harry poon— 4/24/06@ 5:54 pm

    If 1% of the population of the US gets the same amount of dollars yearly as the bottom 50%, why is it unfair to tax them at a higher rate?
    Commentby harry poon— 4/24/06@ 7:51 pm

    People who want to drill into our strategic oil reserves so Exxon/Mobil can have some short term profit are flat out TRAITORS!!!
    Commentby harry poon— 4/27/06@ 8:25 pm
    A “capitalist” is someone who makes other people take all the risks, bear all the costs, and takes all the profits for himself. And the whole fucking point of being a capitalist is so you can be a lazy ass who does no work and produces nothing.
    Commentby Roger Rabbit— 5/30/06@ 8:17 pm

    Since those capital gain increases likely match job loss in the companies invested in, it think it would be fair to index the tax rate to employment numbers.
    Commentby Harry Tuttle aka Voter Advocate— 5/30/06@ 7:09 pm

  48. Leftist – Is embryonic stem cell research now illegal? Just answer the fucking question…

  49. -I love scientific inquiry. It’s what I do for a living, and I make a shitload of money doing it.-

    Heh heh: Mark “The Scientist” Redneck. This clown gets more hilarious by the minute.

    Did you get your PhD from Internet U, just like all those business degrees, MTR?

    As has been pointed out before, people who actually DO make a “shitload of money” don’t talk about it – nor do they use the word “shitload.”

    Now, get back to your mom’s basement, MTR. She’s going to catch you using her computer again.

  50. -1. Why do you not believe in the generally accepted science of global warming?
    Answer: Because it is bullshit. I believe THE FUCKING SUN causes global warming.-

    Spoken like a true CrackerJack box PhD, MTR.

  51. Mark “The Scientist” Redneck Kennedy CAN’T be serious, can he?

    He’s GOT to be a professional troll. No right winger could be this stupid, right?

  52. Redneck
    No, it’s not illegal. But, our nation’s scientists are falling behind those of, get this, Singapore, without governmental support in the stem cell field. How does that stoke your patriotic flames, you who support governmental support of anything the military might ask?

  53. Thomas and Skagit – you made a truly extraordinary claim:

    “ALL cells have the potential to be a new child.”

    I guess I wasn’t paying attention in all those health and biology classes. I missed this. Are you talking cloning? I would love to see a citation here – otherwise it sounds like total crackpotness.

    For the record, I am pro-choice, and I have nothing against fertility clinics. But I recognize that this is a philosophical issue, with reasonable arguments on both sides. I guess if you are insecure about your own views, then demonizing the other side is the only real answer. Acknowledging that there could be an ethical question would just be too much for you.

  54. Liberal Redneck, I think you got it! Only someone who sits in his mother’s basement with a computer has the time to catalogue every post! Isn’t it funny!

    Hey, Faux Redneck, you do get funnier by the minute! Not only are you now “the Cowardly Redneck, you’re a Comincal Redneck!

    BTW, “Cowardly Comic,” you did not answer all my questions. Perhaps even you have a conscience? Nah! You just couldn’t think of anything. That say’s it all. You’re an idiot.

  55. I don’t think anybody did that, Janet. I think we were responding to a bunch of bullets that didn’t open the door for anything close to logical discussion.

    And I’m curious why you still haven’t answer my question now put to you four times: What were George Bush’s qualifications before becoming gov of Texas? I’d like to compare your guy’s greatness with Darcy’s.

  57. -Liberal Redneck, I think you got it! Only someone who sits in his mother’s basement with a computer has the time to catalogue every post! Isn’t it funny! –

    Skagit: I’m sure MTR just has a team of the thousands of employees in his skyscraper doing that work!

  58. Yo peps, an embryo is not a child.

    Embryo: : something as yet undeveloped b : a beginning or undeveloped state of something

    Child:a young person especially between infancy and youth

  60. I wonder how many “potential children” I killed when I dorked off in the shower last night? I should be locked up, if not for rinsing, “potential children” down the shower drain then for writing this post about it.

  61. Janet @ 53…correct, you weren’t.

    Every cell (except mature red blood cells) have the POTENTIAL to become human life.

    Extra effort is required to bring that POTENTIAL to REALITY.

    Any lack of distinction between POTENTIAL and REAL life is in the minds of ignorant.

  62. Roger and Gang who love poll’s.

    1) Was the New York Times wrong in reporting about a secret U.S. program that tracked financial transactions of terror suspects?

    Wrong: 94 percent

    Not Wrong: 6 percent

    2) Should the New York Times be prosecuted for their disclosures of this program?

    Yes: 93 percent

    No: 7 percent

    3) Do you believe the government should be allowed to obtain financial records without a court approved warrant?

    Yes: 80 percent

    No: 20 percent

    4) Are you willing to give up, even partially, your civil liberties to help stop terrorism?

    Yes: 84 percent

    No: 16 percent

    5) Do you believe the Bush administration’s wiretapping and other surveillance programs are justified even if they infringe on civil liberties?

    Justified: 92 percent

    Not justified: 8 percent

  64. Anon, It’s not me it’s Websters! Do you know what that is? As to your statement about the brick. A brick is a brick. Just as a cell is a cell and you are an asshat.

  65. “And I’m curious why you still haven’t answer my question now put to you four times: What were George Bush’s qualifications before becoming gov of Texas? I’d like to compare your guy’s greatness with Darcy’s.”

    Military, political campaigns, oil company, baseball team, yadda-yadda-yadda. Give me a break. Of course, the name recognition didn’t hurt.

    Bush’s history is well known, and well documented. Darcy, on the other hand, is a blank slate. No one anywhere has answered just what she has done in state politics, as she claims on her resume. She claims to be a community leader. If your concept of that is someone who is president of their homeowner’s association, you are easily impressed. I happen to think that falls far short of being anything in the community.

    BTW, Bush isn’t on a ballot. Darcy is. I’d just like to understand why you think she should be running, other than she isn’t Reichert? She has no track record and no evidence that she can manage the task of being a member of Congress.

    So, have I answered your idiotic question? It was so trite, I was sure it was rhetorical.

  66. Also, all cells may contain the code for making a child, but that isn’t the same as all cells being able to make a child. Let me quote you again:

    “ALL cells have the potential to be a new child.”

    No, they don’t.

  67. I hereby consign the bet-welshing head-up-his-ass redneck to the looney bin currently occupied by the racist j. craig herman and the religious zealot puddybud.

    There could be 50 of their delusional spews in a row and it’s like I don’t even see them.

  68. Janet: Military, political campaigns, oil company, baseball team, yadda-yadda-yadda. Give me a break. Of course, the name recognition didn’t hurt.

    Well, it took you long enough to think of something!

    Military service – climbed on the backs of others to get into the NG then goes AWOL
    Political campaigns – same with Darcy except she’s not riding on daddy’s coattails
    Oil & Baseball – you sure you want to include FAILED positions? Okay with me. . . :)
    Yadda Yadda Yadda – yeah, another important position! (LOL)
    Name recognition – another important resume item!

    Well, at least your honest.

    I think I’d stack that up against Darcy’s any day:

    Succeeded at Harvard
    Succeeded at Microsoft
    Succeeded at a year of law school
    Secceeded at showing herself to be LITERATE, INTELLIGENT, SUCCESSFUL IN BUSINESS, CURIOUS, AND LEARNED

    AND PARTICIPATED IN COMMUNITY SERVICE AND POLITICS

    Yeah, that about does it. Thank you.

  69. You know, Janet, only a dolt would find it impossible to understand why one would ask such a question.

    Obviously, you think resumes are important for liberals but not conservatives. You might want to think about that. It doesn’t fit with your self-perceived “reasonable intellect.”

  70. To all you righties who are on this board attacking sensible people who support stem cell research….

    Here’s a list of republicans who supported the bill today. Are you calling them names too? Are they part of a vast left wing conspiracy?

    Nancy Reagan
    Bill Frist
    Oren Hatch

    To name a few! Let’s hear the attacks agains these people. Where are they? Could it be you righties are hypocrites AND stupid???

    PS> I hope Janet S’ kids get sick and die in front of her – in major pain and suffering – and that stem cell research could have saved them. That’s the karma you righties who don’t support stem cell deserve.

  71. I hope Janet S’ kids get sick and die in front of her – in major pain and suffering – and that stem cell research could have saved them. That’s the karma you righties who don’t support stem cell deserve.

    LT, I know things can get pretty over-the-top on the internets, but there are lines. I expect that kind of stuff from the lunatics on the right, but I hope we can comport ourselves better than that. Please consider apologizing.

  72. I knew that 70 was written by left turn before I even saw his name. No one else is as psychotic as he is. It must be sad to live in your miserable little world.

    “I think I’d stack that up against Darcy’s any day:

    Succeeded at Harvard
    Succeeded at Microsoft
    Succeeded at a year of law school
    Secceeded at showing herself to be LITERATE, INTELLIGENT, SUCCESSFUL IN BUSINESS, CURIOUS, AND LEARNED

    AND PARTICIPATED IN COMMUNITY SERVICE AND POLITICS”

    I’ve given you the Harvard already. Microsoft? Three years? She couldn’t handle it and got out. Was the pressure too much? If she was so successful there, why give it up for a new career at law school? I know lots of people who have retired from Microsoft. It wasn’t after three years. Anyone with that tenure just couldn’t hack it.

    One year of law school? That’s a success? She quit! She didn’t follow through and actually complete what she started.

    When she first put up her resume she was claiming to be a community leader. That was a stretch. And the fact that I vote, does that mean I can claim to participate in state politics? Why do you persist in letting her get away with such nonsense? I guess you will believe what you want, but that is a vapid comment on her part. Either she did something meaningful in state politics, or she is embellishing. If it isn’t true, take it off the resume. I have never heard of any campaign she has worked on. Is this a new piece of information that we haven’t heard before? Or are you just making up stuff, as well?

    Look, I know you suffer from BDS. I don’t care. I am just trying to find out what Darcy is.

  73. ROVE IS A GENIUS!

    Can anyone best the pre-midterm election picture that Rove got out of Bush today with his little family of snowflake children? That was genius. I just heard him on the radio offering up (“exploiting”) these kids for votes! They get to keep their cake and eat it, too.

    The dems should paste the mediu with pictures of Iraqi children maimed, undernourished, bleeding and left for dead in the streets to counter this charming if dishonest little ad. Perhaps we could throw in a few pictures of children from Katrina as well. What a fraud! And it works with these sheep . . . unbelievable!

  75. Janet: I’ve given you the Harvard already. Microsoft? Three years? She couldn’t handle it and got out. Was the pressure too much? If she was so successful there, why give it up for a new career at law school? I know lots of people who have retired from Microsoft. It wasn’t after three years. Anyone with that tenure just couldn’t hack it.”

    Well, at least you are not trying to validate Bush’s qualifications. I’ll give you something for that! (LOL)

    But, I think you in your need to denigrate her miss the point. She has a resume that is better than that of our current president when he started his political career.

    As far as YOU make the judgment that she is overreaching or embellishing, that may be YOUR opinion but it doesn’t make it so.

    What evidence do you have that she quit law school because she couldn’t hack it?
    She said she went for a year to learn about law but not to become a lawyer. What is wrong with that? Answer please. Please try to answer factually rather than with an opinion since your opinions are meaningless.

    What evidence do you have that she didn’t succeed at Microsoft? I mean, other than you opinion about her success.

    Janet, she is what she is. If you don’t like what she is, that’s fine. But, you can’t change the facts of what she did. Oh, you can have fun with your own characterizations of her words and deeds but that doesn’t change them.

    I still don’t understand how someone who thinks she thinks logically (as you do) can possible devalue someone who has succeeded in everything shes done and who has done it all on her own and yet value someone who got where he is via coattails, a name, money, and a dearth of ethics. How is that consistent?

    That’s what I mean when I say you are a drive-by shooter shooting blanks. Your examples and words are not consistent. Left by themselves without context, they sound provacative. But, they don’t hold up when given context.

  76. Thanks TJ! Am curious to know what you saw in that pic? That little gal’s going into politics and she’s a pistol!

  77. 1

    As Bush’s stem cell veto illustrates, the Christian Taliban movement is not about “morality,” but about imposing their moral and religious views on the rest of us via government and laws, whether we want them or not.

    In other words, the fundies have a fundamentally totalitarian world view: Adopt our beliefs and behaviorial norms, or go to prison.

  78. 1. Succeeded at Harvard
    Succeeded at Microsoft
    Succeeded at a year of law school
    Succeeded at showing herself to be LITERATE, INTELLIGENT, SUCCESSFUL IN BUSINESS, CURIOUS, AND LEARNED
    AND PARTICIPATED IN COMMUNITY SERVICE AND POLITICS
    Yeah, that about does it. Thank you.
    Comment by Skagit — 7/19/06 @ 7:15 pm
    Skagit from your worldly view would you please explain yourself about what success is. You know how Bill Clinton explained how the word “is” is. The bad thing for the poor lady is her resume is lacking in many areas to be a politician. Maybe you can help her embellish or over emphasize what her success is in the world of politics.

  79. Am curious to know what you saw in that pic?

    I’m not sure what you’re asking. I don’t think the kid knew what she was doing, but it’s still funny.

    It doesn’t have any *real* significance – not like, say, the photos of the president groping the chancellor of Germany, or the video of the president sitting for a shameful length of time after being informed the nation was under attack, or the photo of the president staring pitifully out the window of Air Force One while flying over New Orleans. They were iconic images because they show us something real about the president.

    I don’t think this one tells us anything, but I like anyway. :-)

  81. Klake, get on board for chrissakes! What’s the matter with you? Can’t you read? We’ve been there and done that. Go back and do your work.

    Definitions you need? Merriam Webster on line.
    Bill Clinton – check Wikipedia. He’s not my man.
    What do you know about the resume of politicians? Start with Bush’s.

  82. First, Bush COMPLETED graduate school, and earned an MBA from Harvard. Darcy went to law school for one year, and quit.

    Second, Bush worked on various campaigns before entering politics himself. For real people. Not the make believe people that Darcy has involved herself with in state politics.

    Third, Bush ran an oil company. He was co-owner of a baseball team. Darcy worked at Microsoft for three years, and quit. You quit either because you aren’t being successful, or you don’t like the work, or you don’t like the pressure. You don’t quit after such a short time because you are a grand success.

    When Bush entered the governors race, he was a well known figure in Texas. No one had to explain who he was. He had established himself, and had a large number of supporters. Darcy, on the other hand, is a complete unknown.

    Now are you happy?

  84. Me neither. But when the right harkens back to Clinton, I just heave a sigh and go on. They live in the past.

  85. add klake to that looney bin as well. I do not see what he writes.

    At the risk of pissing people off… There are a *lot* of people on my personal “scan past” list. The list of people worth reading is far too short these days. I’m waiting anxiously for the new software.

    It’s also worth noting that there are a few people whose opinions I hold in considerable regard.

  86. Skaaaaaaagit go voice uor point of view at bill’s favorite web site.

    Log on to http://www.vote.com and vote on whether President Bush was right to veto a bill that would have expanded federal funding of embryonic stem cell research.

    We’ll send your vote to President Bush.

    To access the vote, please click the link below.

  87. If you vacation in Beirut and complain that your government is not acting fast enough to evacuate you after a war breaks out. You just might be a dumbass Liberal.

  88. Hey moonbats:

    The pro-Israel political action committees Like Joe Lieberman. They like him soooooooooo much they donated to the Connecticut senator’s campaign and have urged their national membership to give generously now and later, if Lieberman is forced to run as an unaffiliated candidate. So moonbats how are you going to piss off the Jewish Lobby? You moonbats are sooooooooo stupid!!!

    “Joe Lieberman, without exception, no conditions … is the No. 1 pro-Israel advocate and leader in Congress,” said Mark Vogel, chairman of the National Action Committee, a pro-Israel political action committee. “There is nobody who does more on behalf of Israel than Joe Lieberman. That is why he is incredibly important to the pro-Israel community.”

    You all can thank you good friends in Hezbollah for elevating Joe back into prominence. You donks need to control your friends better. Or maybe God likes Jews!!!!

  89. It’s also worth noting that there are a few people whose opinions I hold in considerable regard.

    Comment by Another TJ — 7/19/06 @ 8:30 pm

    TJ maybe this will help brighten your day. LOL shit head

    Leno

    Record heat continues all across the country. It was so hot today. I was at Circuit City and I saw an Amish guy buying an electric fan.

    It was so hot in Pittsburgh guys were pretending to play for the Pirates just to have beer thrown on them.

    It was so hot, the “Pirates of the Caribbean” kidnapped Hillary Clinton just for the cold booty.

    President Bush says he’s personally working on a solution to global warming: he says thanks to Republicans, soon every American will receive a voucher for a free popsicle.

    A lot of military experts are wondering how the U.S can stop Israel from getting bombed. Israel? We can’t even stop Pete Coors from getting bombed.

    Did you hear about this story? The Coors brewing company CEO Pete Coors had his license revoked after being arrested for drunk driving last may. At least he uses the product!

    White House Press Secretary Tony Snow said when president bush was told that he was recorded saying a four letter word, he rolled his eyes and laughed it off. Which is ironic. Bush is now reacting to himself the way everyone else does.

    How creepy is this? A Dutch court has given approval for a new political party whose main goal is to lower the age of sexual consent from 16 to 12. Today Michael Jackson was seen shopping for wooden shoes.

  90. Janet, you just too stubborn to read the words!

    Bush failed at business. Bush worked on daddy’s campaigns. Bush went AWOL in the Guard.

    Bush: MBA Harvard C average
    Burner: BA Computer Science and Economics

    Career: 12 years in high tech: system administrator, technical sales engineer, Lotus Development Engineer, Product Manager and later Lead Product Manager

    Now, you don’t have a clue what is required in any of these positions. She was obviously desired wherever she applied cause they hired her – duh!

    You may be a very old lady who doesn’t know that the ability to be portable – to be able to move from job to job is a plus on your resume. Since she didn’t have daddy to bail her out on every failure, she decided not to fail. SO SHE SUCCEEDED.

    Is there something left about all this you still don’t get? And why do you keep putting out the oil company FAILURE and the baseball team FAILURE as if they prove something other that that HE FAILED.

    How do you define success? I’m beginning to think you define success as FAILURE.

  91. Janet S – anyone who meets the age requirements can run for Congress. You can run for Congress if you’d like.

    You have to be smart, organized, a good communicator and willing to work hard for the right things. Darcy scores high on all counts. A political novice is kind of refreshing.

    We all know you support Reichert. His record is abysmal. If he had anything on the ball, he’d leave the Republican party or forge something of an independent path but he won’t because he’s a go-along, get-along, tag-along Republican.

    It’s sad..

  92. Skagit’s favorite line is: But then, so are you. On the one hand, you hate Jews, Gays, poor people, Blacks, but you love embryos. Go figure.

    Commentby Skagit— 7/19/06@ 4:40 pm

    You are just like leftturdy. Repeat crap ad nauseum.

    Republicans hate Hezbollah, Hamas, Al Qaeda. Moonbatty librul donkocraps love islamofascists. So skagit get the story straight.

  93. This weekend on the talking heads programs, Jane Harman, Democrat from California, was talking about: We wouldn’t have the situation over in Israel and Lebanon if only Resolution 1559 had been enforced, which was to keep Hezbollah disarmed and out of southern Lebanon.

    Hey Jane, your a democrat you dumb bitch. Since when do you believe in the UN enforcing anything. Iraq broke 19 UN resolutions and the dems are still crying that we should have never went to war. Just another lying donk.

  94. Libs hate Hezbollah, Hamas, Al Qaeda, Moonbatty conserbatib elecrap, anythingfascists and love all the innocent people and animals of the earth.

    Too bad you couldn’t think of anything you love, Pudd’NHEAD. Must live a very lonely life in that basement!

  95. You can tell leftturdy has no clue when he writes about conservatives. Oren Hatch

    That’s the karma you righties who don’t support stem cell deserve.

    Commentby LeftTurn— 7/19/06@ 7:32 pm

    First it’s Orrin Hatch
    Second only Cluesless has Karma
    Third you are stupid.

  96. At the risk of pissing people off… There are a *lot* of people on my personal “scan past” list. The list of people worth reading is far too short these days. I’m waiting anxiously for the new software.

    It’s also worth noting that there are a few people whose opinions I hold in considerable regard.

    Commentby Another TJ— 7/19/06@ 8:30 pm

    ATJ: To us whom think right, nothing you blog is worthwhile. You are up there with the five dull knives. SInce Donnageddon has either left or changed his name you can replace him on the dull knives list.

  97. Rufus and Puddy, you silly fools, for folks who rage against the MSM, yo certainly fall hook line and sinker for their programming. They take an extreme representative of either side of an issue and then paint that as the positio of the entire other side. Television relies on clearly defined extremes. Then fools like you take that as reality.

    No wonder your views are so twisted.

  98. Just for grins, have you guys ever been interviewed? Ever been on TV or radio? If not, (unless you do interviews) you really have no clue how the media works.

  99. A moonbat wrote “Career: 12 years in high tech: system administrator, technical sales engineer, Lotus Development Engineer, Product Manager and later Lead Product Manager.”

    Hmmm…? I remember Darcy saying she was promoted to “several” levels to group program manager, now she only went to lead program manager. That’s only two levels, unless she came to Microsoft as a sr program manager then she only received one promotion. This admission is very curious now!!!

  100. Just for grins, have you guys ever been interviewed? Ever been on TV or radio? If not, (unless you do interviews) you really have no clue how the media works.

    Commentby K— 7/19/06@ 9:11 pm

    Why yes I have been interviewed and on TV K? Have you?

  102. It is tedious to compare Bush to Darcy. We get it, you don’t like Bush. Move on. He is far more successful than darcy will ever hope to be, and had already accomplished more at her age than she has. Yes, life isn’t fair, and some people are born into the life. Al Gore and Ted Kennedy got the same break.

    I’m sure Darcy is a very nice person, but she thinks she can enter national politics with no natural constituency, no resume, no track record. She has no experience in public. Has she ever spoken in front of a group that didn’t agree with her? How does she react under pressure? Cynthia McKinney is learning the hard way that how you act under pressure is important to people.

    Please don’t insult my intelligence by saying that all you need is to be breathing and the right age to run for Congress. This isn’t amateur hour.

  103. Yes, Pud, several times. Both live and on tape. If you’ve watched local media over the years you’ve seen me. If you watch King County TV (and then my sympathies are with you) you could have seen me quite a bit. Last clue, I’m staff, not elected.

  104. Puddybutthead and JCH,

    I am sooooo impressed that you have been “interviewed” on TV. But I am sorry to tell you that having your face painted Sonic Colors and screaming “We’re number one” does not count. The same for your claim of making your partner scream during sex because (big surprise here) “GET OFF ME” does not count (at least not in a good way).

    Now, the two of you should put up your mom’s computer and go to bed. It is late and you need your sleep if you want to grow up big and strong.

    Carl Grossman
    Liberal, Proud and just sick of your childish banter and bullshit. Special note to Janet S, Sweetheart, leave the thinking to the men in your family.

  105. Libs hate Hezbollah, Hamas, Al Qaeda, Moonbatty conserbatib elecrap, anythingfascists and love all the innocent people and animals of the earth.

    Too bad you couldn’t think of anything you love, Pudd’NHEAD. Must live a very lonely life in that basement!

    Commentby Skagit— 7/19/06@ 8:53 pm

    Wow skagit how do know what libs like or dislike? You said you were “independent”. Crapola alfalfa! Why are you donks always on the wrong side? You leader Scheech Dean supports Hezbollah. Check out his own words last week!

    Also I live in a comfortable house and have a beautiful chocolate wife. What do you have skagit but your hairy palms?

  107. Carl your last name sez it all Gross-man.

    If you paid attention to this blog you would have learned when I was on TV and when. But being the ASS you are you missed it sniffing the glue.

  108. To the asshole at post 105,

    You have a chocolate wife? Picked her up at See’s, did you? You Republifucks really are clueless. I bet she melts all over your pencil dick, right dumbass?

    It is my sincere hope that one day you pull your head out of your ass and smell the coffee. You dumb ignoranus. (not a typo, you ignorant and an asshole)

    Have a good evening!

    Go fuck yourself!

    Carl Grossman
    Democrat, Proud and willing to back my words with my name.

  109. Janet: It is tedious to compare Bush to Darcy. We get it, you don’t like Bush. Move on. He is far more successful than darcy will ever hope to be, and had already accomplished more at her age than she has.

    Gawd! What a vicious witch! “Well, If I can’t win, I”m just going to get all snooty and pretend it doesn’t matter”

    “she thinks she can enter national politics with no natural constituency, no resume, no track record. She has no experience in public”

    In case you haven’t noticed, this is America where yes, she not only thinks she can enter national politics but run as well. I don’t think you’ll be voting for her . . . as she’s just not “creme de la creme” for you, ta ta. But, a lot of people who realize that you don’t have to be rich to be smart will vote for her.

    Time will tell how many.

    I hope you enjoyed your very large tax break, Madam. We little people were please to share our wealth with you. You might at least say thank you. It is only polite, afterall.

  110. And skagit if you had been paying attention you would have learned more things about Pud D. Bud. But being an ASS you missed it too.

    Why are Republicans called neo-cons? We support Israel in thought, deed, and action! Donkocraps like Dean show their true colors supporting Hezbollah. Notice the NY Times has been deathly quiet over Israel while the LA Times has been their typical hate Israel best?

  112. Puddybutthead,

    I would not have been the least bit interested in seeing you on TV. I am not impressed by anything you have to say here, why would I watch you on TV?

    I am proud of my last name. 9 year olds make fun of people’s names. Not adults. When I make fun of your screen name I am not insulting you. You have no class, no education and, as my father would say, not brain one.

    Carl Grossman
    Democrat, Proud

  113. Pudd’NHEAD: Wow skagit how do know what libs like or dislike? You said you were “independent”. Crapola alfalfa! Why are you donks always on the wrong side? You leader Scheech Dean supports Hezbollah. Check out his own words last week!

    Just to set you poor lonely basement dwellers straight: I am not a democrat. I am an independent. I am a very liberal independent and I stand by that. No herd mentality for me.

    Now, time for beddy bye.

  114. Carl Grossman
    Democrat, Proud and willing to back my words with my name.

    Commentby My Left Foot— 7/19/06@ 9:29 pm

    How do we know you are really Carl Gross-man? You say so. We have no proof. Why not post your address and social security number dumbASS. Leftturdball posted the info of Richard Pope. Give us a “bone” Gross-man, let us in on the “secret” of Carl Gross-man!

    Do you understand what a chocolate wife means dumbASS?

    You want me to fuck myself. I don’t have to perform any autofellatiation like most donks do. The wife takes good care of me. Why not call Boeing Bob and he can drive you to Dupont?

  116. Puddybud et al, you are engaging in a massive game of distraction. The issue isn’t Darcy. The issue is Reichert. He is the incumbent. He has had a decidedly undistinguished record that is out of touch with the changing needs of the district. He has also been a rubber stamp for one of the most unpopular presidents and congresses in modern history.

    Darcy has a very real chance of winning because you guys blew it. You had an extraordinary amount of power — the presidency, congress and the supreme court in your back pocket — and you made a royal mess of things. People are mad as hell and they are going wage a strong vote of protest at the direction you have taken the country.

    Darcy may ride a pro-Democratic tide into office, but once elected she will have to prove herself — and will only have two years to do it. Does she have what it takes? I think that is an open question.

    What isn’t an open question is that you guys had the ball and fumbled. The sooner you come to terms with that, the sooner you will get back in the game.

  117. Your name depicts your posts. They are gross and they are not from a real MAN! Get it goober? We are being attacked by leftturdy’s friends and what do you say? NUTHIN!

  119. Pud, I’m a fairly regular follower, and quite frankly I do not memorize your posts. The whole point of my starting the interview question was to get at whether you understand how the media works. their job IS NOT to inform. They tell stories and sell ads. They set up conflict, taking the extremes of any issue and pretend that is representative (much like many posters here).

    From the responses I see here, most are clueless, and it is evident in your opinions.

  120. Green Thumb to us it is about Darcy. You donks ask what were GWB’s credentials? We ask what are Darcy’s to replace as you guys say “RubberstampReichert”. Well Darcy’s change every day from her donk friends on moonbat lane: Goldy’s ASSHeads!

    Sure is amazing RubberStampCantVoteWell spreads them for Scary Harry Reid when needed!

  121. Puddybutthead,

    Zabbasearch.com will give you all the info you need on me. I know what a “Chocolate” wife is. I also know that it is demeaning, condesending, ignorant and rude.

    And again, you RightWingNuts have no sense of humor. And I am man enough to tell you my name and now you have the ability to find me. Come on over, lets have a beer!

    I bet you would like me to throw you a bone you James West loving, self hating homosexual.

    Carl Grossman
    Democrat, Liberal and MAN enough to stand up to the likes of you and your scruffy kind.

  123. “K”irsten, lets clear the air. The MSM tries to shape public opinion all the time. Look at the Frank Rich’s, Paul Krugman’s, Maureen Dowd’s etc. spewing leftwing talking points. THen they are repeated on the evening news and repeated by the tlaking head shows.

    Remember the gravitas comment. It came from the DNCC and what did all the talking heads say for the next week? GWB had no gravitas. Why do you think talk radio and Fox News has shot up in listenership and viewership?

    So don’t “preach” to me about the media. It’s all to obvious!

  124. Pudd’NHEAD: And skagit if you had been paying attention you would have learned more things about Pud D. Bud.

    HEAD: you may not realize this (and I hate to hurt your little ol’ feelin’s) but I do sometimes scroll right on by you. So, if I missed your fifteen seconds of TV fame on this blog, so sorry. :( I’d ask ya to repeat it, but I really don’t care. . .

    Nor did I ever say I was a dem. But I do like ’em better ‘n I like you . . .

  125. Puddybud, funny how you’ve dodged my basic point. You’ve done so because like a good Republican propagandist you can’t admit the truth: The game is up.

    Poll after poll shows that Americans have lost faith in Republican one-party government. They have recognized the wisdom of the founding fathers, who built into our system checks and balances to protect against the excesses that inevitably result when one faction has too much power.

    You guys have had your turn at bat. You struck out. End of inning.

    That’s why Darcy is going to win. Ignore that basic fact at your party’s peril.

  126. My wife loves it when I call her my “hot” chocolate. You are not in our house and you have no clue about our relationship! But GBS understood what it meant. Golly, I miss GBS. A real liberal whom one could have a congent intelligent conversation. Not like the idiot donk you are Carl Grossman! I am lighter than her so she calls me tan man! You are not black, you have no REAL black friends and you don’t understand black people! You get your blackness from Al Tawanna Sharpton and Jesse Illegitimate Baby Jackson!

    Sorry Carl Grossman, I wouldn’t drink with you, and I don’t drink alcohol!

  127. Puddy, JCH, et.al simply want to be on the “winning” team. I have no doubt that when the Dems win back the house and Senate this coming November, these two clowns and their friends will change their screen names and attack (un)SP. Same as jumping on the bandwagon when your local team suddenly is playing well.

    Carl Grossman
    Democrat, Proud

  128. Green Thumb, if I “dodged” your basic point it’s because there is no basic point. 57% of people said their congressperson was doing a great job. THey also know if they remove their congressperson their new person has no political weight and can’t bring home the bacon. That’s the political reality of life Thumber!

  129. Wrongo Grossman. I left the donkcraps long ago and am not coming back. Too many issues in your party I disagree with!

  130. I see that Puddy has sucked one too many times on his crack pipe. I would not want to be in your house. You and your wife can call each other whatever you like. I am not going to justify myself in the face of your attack on my “lack of knowledge of black culture”. That was not the issue in the first place. The issue was your insensitive PUBLIC remark. I don’t care what color you are, what religion you are or anything else about you that you might want to share. I am perplexed at how quickly you tried to brand me racist or ignorant without knowing anything about me with the exception of my real name.

    Now, calmly put down the crack pipe and get some help.

    Carl Grossman
    Democrat, Proud and apparently getting under Puddy’s thin (pick your color preference here) skin.

  131. Carl, that’s an interesting hypothesis that we would see wingers change colors if the Dems take back Congress. Maybe some of them would, but others strike me as true ideologues (or paid hacks).

    I suspect that the bulk of them would go into denial like they did regarding the Gregoire victory. They would find something that in their mind invalidated the Democrats’ victory and they would shout about it incessantly. Their whole strategy would revolve around carpet bombing the Democrats’ honeymoon period.

    In other words, the politics of denial and destruction. Kinda like what they did to Iraq. Very sad.

  133. Proud, that’s the most intelligent comment of the night. Somebody press the delete button, please!

  134. Pudd’NHEAD: The MSM tries to shape public opinion all the time. Look at the Frank Rich’s, Paul Krugman’s, Maureen Dowd’s etc. spewing leftwing talking points. THen they are repeated on the evening news and repeated by the tlaking head shows.

    What a dolt! These people are editorial page columnists . . . they don’t set the talking points for anybody nor do they get repeated. Just provide one example of when Maureen Dowd was quoted on the evening news?

    And I never heard the term “gravitas” politically until you used it here. I TOLD YOU I’M NOT A DEM!

    YOU DUMBASS! Some of us really do think for ourselves. Obviously a whole lot more than you do.

  135. Skagit,

    Most of the folks here don’t read or listen. They just drone on and on. Repeating the same tired themes over and over.

    Don’t take it personally. They just don’t know any better.

    Carl Grossman
    Democrat, Liberal and just waiting for November when that 30% approval rating bites the RightWingNuts in the ass!

  136. Skagit is now K? Hmmm… I thought I was talking to Kirsten and Skagit hijacks the conversation.

    Notice he didn’t choose Krugman or Rich!

    I remember the “United States of Shame” making the news for a day or two.

  138. OK folks, this will be it for me for quite some time. Family vacation. First of all, I only post under “K”, although sometime’s I’m sloppy with cAps. I have not seen anyone else use my init. So the silly speculation about me being someone else is foolish.

    Second, my point on the news is proven. You righties are not interested in any actual discourse, though you are quick to attack lefties for all manner of sins. You do not engage in serious discussion. And you don’t understand the media if you believe what you say.

    Bye bye

  139. Some say Tom Delay sprays his hair all the time as befits a “bugman”. But one asks helmut-head-hair the following: If free enterprise is so good, why are conservatives so hell bent on giving the public treasury to politically favored private interests?

    This is simply socialism for the rich. Where is the conservative anger at that?

    (ribbit, ribbit….)

  140. Rabbit, are you having some fun at 139?

    Whoever it is, you get style points and length points for that moniker.

    Carl Grossman
    Democrat, Liberal

  141. I would say he is right. Basically the republicans have been using the Government to award big contracts to companies that support the republican party then those same companies funnels funds back to republican candidates for office. Halliberton would be the most blatant example of this but enron and many other are all involved.

    And actually this Faith based initiative thing is just a way for the republican to funnel tax payer moneys to religious org. that support republican candidates. So it is basically the same thing.

  142. Second, my point on the news is proven. You righties are not interested in any actual discourse, though you are quick to attack lefties for all manner of sins. You do not engage in serious discussion. And you don’t understand the media if you believe what you say.

    Bye bye

    Commentby K— 7/19/06@ 10:39 pm

    K – Let me present Tree Frog Farmer and LeftTurn. Have you missed the Leftturd missives:

    Limbaugh pees in a cup
    Bush twins are drunken whores
    Bush twins pull a train
    Laura Bush killed a guy.
    Ann Coulter is a guy
    North Korea is GWB’s fault
    Looks like the world’s biggest crack addict and transvestite has never written an original word in her miserable cowardly life.
    Ralph Reed is a bitch
    We’re knuckle-dragging, baby-raping right wingers
    Bunch of fucking crooks. They should be hanged for treason. Today!
    Republicans are cowards.
    He fucked my “daughter”. – Don’t have any daughters!
    He fucked my wife. – She isn’t interested in having to use the Hubble Telescope on full mag to find his dick!
    Ordered the outing of a CIA agent – If so Fitz didn’t say it. Lie
    Lied 40000 times about the war in Iraq – Oh really? Repeated the 1998 Donko lies you mean?
    Created the biggest trade deficit in history – Debatable
    Let Osama get away a month before 9.11 and then let Osama’s family get away after 9.11 Lie – Richard CLarke did
    Tried to turn our ports over to Arab control – Mistake, he took Bill Clinton’s suggestion
    Screwed up the immigration situation
    And my personal favorite, got down on all fours, stuck his ass in the air and invited N. Korea to collectively fuck him in the ass because he’s afraid to fight any country that ACTUALLY DOES HAVE WMD!

    And his latest piece of shit: “The Bush Twins were in public school until their ninth arrest for illegal substance consumption and that train they pulled on the football team. Then they were sent to a school for troubled girls who’s parents were DUI recipients. ”

    Your friend leftturdy adds so much to the ASSHeads conversation. So why are we going out of our way when idiots like leftturdy are the pillars of your suspension bridge to written discourse?

    Soon I’ll create the Farmer Fag list of missives!

  144. Looks like the Socialist has nothing to add. I see Puddy answering the charge for elevated conversation and discourse to K and you, Socialist, have nothing to offer. Is this what happens when one converts to socialism?

    So what now K? Since some here want Goldy to install another blogging application, Goldy wants to improve his blog, and others want accountability; how do you answer Puddy’s claim regarding Tree Fog Farmer, LeftTurn and Rujax206? Just about every vile AssesHorse poster resides on the Left. DJ loves to grenade in that this is a lefty blog. Well K you’ll never see civil discourse with the likes of those “members” of humanity.

  145. Puddybud “answering the charge for elevated conversaton”? Come on, Mike, be real. Puddy dishes out mindless propaganda with the best of them, with plenty of snark along the way. Your argument simply isn’t credible.

  148. Well if a Socialist candidate would run I would be happy to vote for them.

    And bye the way the Socialist Party of America is now the Socialist Party of the usa . I like the old name better . http://www.sp-usa.org/

  149. Republicans have absolutely no moral grounds whatsoever to be lecturing the rest of the nation on the “sanctity of human life”. The tens of thousands of innocent Iraqi civilian lives they have snuffed out with their illegal, imperialist war negates any credibility they might have on the issue.

  150. (un)Socialist,

    You should move to Vermont where, if you lived in his district, you could vote for Bernie Sanders, the only Socialist in the House. He has a gig with Tom Hartman every Friday morning on Air America. You should check that out, too.

  151. Losertarian,

    Why don’t you go legalize pot or something? You’re a waste matter that could be used for some other productive purpose in the universe.

  152. dj, this is exactly what I’m talking about, when I say Goldy’s blog is dying. It has nothing to do with traffic but the quality of the comments. So much of this thread is name calling I don’t want to bother wading through it to find any comments that have merit.

  153. You should move to Vermont where, if you lived in his district, you could vote for Bernie Sanders, the only Socialist in the House.

    He’s about to become the only Socialist in the Senate.

    http://bernie.org/

  154. If the Iraqis are so unhappy with us, why do they keep asking us to stay? Now it is the Sunnis who want us to stay a little longer. The govt has already said that we need to leave, but not yet. That sounds very much like the president’s position – we will leave when it makes strategic sense, not according to a calendar date.

    Kind of like Israel. They will stop their actions when they get back their soldiers, and stop being fired on. Why the condemnation on them, but not on hisbollah? Is it because we all accept that hisbollah are a bunch of evil animals, so it makes no sense to talk to them?

  155. Greg Palast apparently fell victim to the same power outage, and wrote an article postulating that Ken Lay lives on as a “ghost-in-the-machine” like the lead character in “Lawnmower Man”.

  156. “We have not witnessed the reduction in violence one would have hoped for in a perfect world,” U.S. spokesman Maj. Gen. William Caldwell said at a news briefing Thursday. “The only way we’re going to be successful in Baghdad is to get the weapons off the streets.”

    For Baghdad you may substitute the name of nearly any city in the U. S. to the same effect.

  157. He’s about to become the only Socialist in the Senate.

    http://bernie.org/

    Commentby Another TJ— 7/20/06@ 10:01 am

    ==========

    Great! He shouldn’t be able to hurt as many people there. The House is where the money issues are shaped.

  158. Mark, the Redneck, your opinion represents a very small minority religious belief and has no place in determining governmental, medical and scientific policy. Women have eggs every month and they naturally do not come to fruition. If every embryo was to become a baby we would be overwhelmed with many trillions of people on this planet. It is just a natural part of life that only a very small of eggs ever come to fruition.

    By the same token look at all the seeds and sperm that all species produce; it is a natural part of life to produce much more than will ever be needed. That hardly constitutes murder; if so, your God would be guilty of murdering trillions of life forms every single hour.

    You have the right to your crazy beliefs, as does Bush, but you have no right to determine what patients will die now and in the future because of your superstitutions.

  159. Since Bush does not want the government to fund stem cell research, perhaps we should contribute something on our own to this important research.

    Does anyone know of an organization that will take donations from the public to fund stem cell research? If you have a link, that would be most helpful!

  160. To all of you left leaning morons whom have nothing but vitriol like LeftMyTurdBehind – I created that like Greg I don’t Give A Nickels, here is Goldy’s opening missive.

    “Comedy is easy, politics is hard.
    by Goldy, 05/10/2004, 12:19 AM

    Last year, a reporter asked me why I thought so many people were willing to donate time and money to what was obviously a joke initiative. I glibly replied that politics was boring, and that my “horse’s ass” initiative gave people the opportunity to get involved, while having a little fun at the same time.

    Washington state politics is particularly boring – oh not just because it’s full of numbers and legalese and the usual wonkish stuff like that – but because we happen to be blessed with some of the most boring politicians in the nation. There’s a reason a lying, thieving, blowhard like Tim Eyman commands so much media attention: he’s an interesting lying, thieving, blowhard. Gary Locke, on the other hand, whatever you may think of his job performance, is, well… boring.

    But I never knew how god-awful boring politics could be until I tried doing a little of it myself.

    I’ve often been accused of taking a joke too far, and this joke took me back and forth to Olympia dozens of times over the past year. It took me deep into the intricacies of Washington’s incredibly complex (and astoundingly unfair) tax structure. And it took me face to face with the frustrating bureaucracy that is the WA State Legislature.

    Looking back, I can’t tell you at what point I was transformed from a political prankster into an accidental activist, but I can tell you that in the process I became a bit more boring myself. I have always chafed at the tendency of some people to confuse “solemnity” with “seriousness,” and yet time and again I found myself sacrificing the satire and irreverence that launched me into the public debate, for the sake of maintaining the credibility I had so laboriously earned.

    Well… no more.

    I have serious political goals, and I intend to pursue them. I intend to help educate the public and the media about an astonishingly regressive tax system that gives billions of dollars of tax breaks to wealthy special interests while placing an almost unbearable burden on the backs of middle- and low-income families. I intend to work for real, progressive, tax reforms that provide meaningful relief to those who need it most, assure adequate funding for essential public services, and create the kind of positive, rational business environment that all citizens want. And I intend to continue my efforts to expose Tim Eyman as the lying, thieving, blowhard even many of his most ardent supporters admit he really is. (Did I mention Tim Eyman is a lying, thieving, blowhard?)

    But I also intend to have a little fun.

    Which brings me to the relaunch of HorsesAss.org.

    I want to have fun with politics, yet I also want to get stuff done. I want to be sarcastic, satirical, irreverent – even silly – and yet I want to be taken seriously. I want to be edgy, out spoken, and occasionally foul mouthed, and yet I want to maintain my credibility with stuffy politicos and even stuffier editorial boards.

    So I have to split myself in two.

    HorsesAss.org will remain the playground of the fun half, while the more respectable half will set up office at the recently formed TaxSanity.org. Both halves will remain deadly serious… they’ll just speak with different voices.

    So how do you know which half is speaking? They even have different names.

    For most of my 41 years, friends and family have called me “Goldy,” and that is the name I sign to this HorsesAss.org blog. Anybody who knows Goldy well, will tell you he’s sarcastic, irreverent… even a little bit warped. (And obviously, secure enough in his own manhood to pass through adolescence with such an effeminate sounding nickname intact.)

    But most people know me by my given name, “David,” a respectable Old Testament name, perfect for printing on business cards, and attaching to “serious” political efforts like TaxSanity.org.

    So… HorsesAss.org has evolved into what it should have been from the start: a personal blog, a forum for shameless self-promotion, and a platform for the occasional, outrageous, political stunt. Sometimes wonkish, sometimes satirical – but always truthful – it is an opportunity to speak my mind while enjoying the delusion that others actually care what I have to say. It is pure, unadulterated me.

    TaxSanity.org, on the other hand, is a real political .ORG, of which I am only a single member, and to which I have pledged my political energies. Over the next few months its web site will become the definitive resource for facts, statistics and policy discussions regarding Washington’s tax structure. And over the coming year we plan to organize into the largest grassroots organization in the state dedicated to promoting progressive tax reform, and opposing the irresponsible efforts of Tim Eyman and his fellow libertarians to de-fund state and local government. Oh, we’ll certainly try to make TaxSanity.org more fun than your typical political organization… it just can’t possibly be as much fun as a running a website that got it’s start calling Tim Eyman names. (Did I mention Tim Eyman is a lying, thieving, blowhard?)

    Now I know some might find this split between the politically prankish Goldy and the politically earnest David a little arbitrary… or even weird. So to those upstanding members of the political and media establishment who insist I cannot possibly expect to maintain my credibility as an activist while producing an irreverent and outrageous blog, the Goldy half of me respectfully says: “fuck you.”

    Of course, the David half of me effusively apologizes for what the Goldy half just said. There’s absolutely no excuse for that kind of language, and given the opportunity David might attempt to explain to this “haughty, humorless prick” (my words, not his) that he should excuse Goldy as a sort of stage persona, somewhat like Tim Eyman, who publicly portrays himself as a lying, thieving, blowhard, but who in the comfort of his own home, rarely steals anything. David might also privately intimate that Goldy has the emotional maturity of a 13-year-old, and amuses nobody but himself. Or perhaps that he’s insane.

    Whatever.

    David can apologize all he wants, but Goldy has no regrets. Yes, I am writing this blog to amuse myself; if I entertain, educate or motivate others… great! But if some people occasionally find me rude or offensive, well… that’s okay too. In the unlikely event I ever run for office, I’m sure this blog will bite me in the ass. But then, wouldn’t voters prefer to elect somebody boorish for a change, instead of somebody who’s simply boring? ”

    This was comment #6: “i recently was asked to sign timmy\’s initatives at my local alberson\’s but flatly refused and talked a gentleman out of signing the 25% property tax initative by explaining it to him that the people most to benefit out of it would be people like eyman and his skanky sis-in-law. bruce obviously has his head up eymans ass so far he cna\’t think straight. power to the people!!!

    Commentby cheryl scott— 5/26/04@ 12:46 am”

  161. Someone asked who is Mike Webb and why does he suck.

    Mike Webb was a Kiro host who was canned. He sucked because he was so leftist it made many people upchuck!

  163. Goldy, your credibility would be elevated to Michael Jordan status if you took yourself seriously regarding the Seattle Times and their reporting problems. You see, the problem isn’t their reporting, it’s always biased; it’s the fact you selectively use them when their reportage makes your small missives look like great epiphanies but you dismiss them when they are anti-Goldy!!! Take the good with the bad or just don’t use them at all!

  164. MWS Sucks – It must suck to be you guy. HA.org’s right wing historian. LMAOAY!

    Keep posting though – posts like yours made Nov 2005 especially sweet and will make Nov 2006 the best of all.

    Thank you for that.

  165. Clueless: If one does not understand history, how can one know the future. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I read it now; we know the history of neo-cons so we won’t wote for them again. We also know the history of moonbats. Especially with howcan in another thread identifying ketchup woman supporting a group hell bent on Israel’s destruction. Amazing how the truth comes out from a little inspection. Now if that tidbit about ketchup woman gets legs… Maybe you are cluesless because you forget history so quickly.

    Your doing a fine job…

  166. MWS Sucks – As usual your reading comprehension SUCKS.

    The only history you’ve spewed here is distortions of old posts by Goldy and some of the other libs here. You’re obsessed MWS Sucks. I feel sorry for you – NOT.

    My new name for you Wingnut Obsession Sucks…

  167. Why Cluesless you are his only attacker. I wonder why… You live to your karma… Clueless…

  168. With the Sonics threatening to leave, here’s a simple proposal. Let’s place a $0.50/cup tax on coffee. While sales at Starbucks may suffer, we should be able to appease the cowboys while retaining the anchor for the Seattle Center. Just my 50 cents…

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