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QUESTION FOR MR. CYNICAL
Do you think it’s fair to pay 15% on capital gains if a wage earner with the same income is paying 37%? How is that fair? Why should owners of capital get preferential treatment over those who must live by selling their labor?
2: Why ask? Here’s his predictable answer:
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Since those capital gain increases likely match job loss in the companies invested in, it think it would be fair to index the tax rate to employment numbers.
I think it would be fair, too.
In other news:
World share prices have fallen sharply again, this time due to concerns over surging oil prices, rising interest rates and jittery US consumers.
But the economy is just doing great ‘cording to the wingers.
Damn, forgot to close that italics!
Let’s see how good they are in November.
Wabbit@2 – How the fuck is it “moral” to tax the Producers at high rates while the Takers get a free ride?
On capital gains, it should be taxed at ZERO. It’s our fucking money. We live below our means and are able to save. Our savings are used to propel the economy. That’s our “gift” to society; letting others pay us for the use of our money.
letting others pay us for the use of our money.
And with the passive income buy politicians for sweetheart govermment contracts, low to non-existent royalties on resources from public lands and low to non-existent taxes.
Nanny state conservatives always spew shit like Vagina Lips above. They are nothing but a bunch of rent-seeking intellectually and morally shallow money-grubbers. Under most conditions they would be considered sociopaths.
It’s our fucking money.
Alas, you do not realize that the “our” above includes more than just you, dimwit.
Our savings are used to propel the economy.
Under some conditions, as Keynes proved, this is not the case.
Ignoramus.
Somebody who spends their life sweeping your floors, emptying your garbage, taking care of your yard, nursing in hospitals, erecting high steel, pounding nails, building airplanes, raising crops is a “taker”?
Fuck you and the bullshit your rode in on. There is no metaphor (yes, look it up, nit-Lips) broad enough to express the stink of your thought.
@1: So, RR, the UW research interns got you again…or did you check in this time for a little R&R?
PS: Vagina Lips is a rent seeking cheap labor nanny state conservative.
I met a jerk like Vagina Lips in a business meeting once. It was all I could do to keep from strangling the self-righteous turd. Upon reflection, however, the jerk will most likely go bankrupt within five years….like most small businesses.
With that high rate of failure, why do we as a society continue to shower tax breaks, low interest loans, and regulatory relief on these failures?
Risk….thy name is government handout. From the business bible of the chamber of commerce. We’ve been having this discussion in this country since Andy Jackson’s day. It’s time to send today’s whigs to a justly deserved political oblivion.
Mark the Silly Asshole-
RE: your global warming spew, chanting Chi square does not constitute proof. You seem to think you can set the rules of debate and ignore any links provided. How about this excerpt:
That hypothesis was tested by analyzing 928 abstracts, published in refereed scientific journals between 1993 and 2003, and listed in the ISI database with the keywords “climate change” (9).
The 928 papers were divided into six categories: explicit endorsement of the consensus position, evaluation of impacts, mitigation proposals, methods, paleoclimate analysis, and rejection of the consensus position. Of all the papers, 75% fell into the first three categories, either explicitly or implicitly accepting the consensus view; 25% dealt with methods or paleoclimate, taking no position on current anthropogenic climate change. Remarkably, none of the papers disagreed with the consensus position.
From Science Magazine http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/...../5702/1686
I’m sure one of them used a statistical method to your liking. Until you’re reviewed all 928, we can ignore you.
Vagina Lips meets Zig Ziglar: “Yep, I found this 96 year old widow dying of cancer and with no living relatives. She lives in a big old house on Queen Ann Hill. I offered her a quick cash buyout of her property at 20% of assessed value, and she took it.
Thank you Zig. I took a risk, and am now ‘building wealth’. Ain’t unrestrained free market capitalism great, or what?”
What better way to “build wealth” than to steal it? Vote republican and watch wealth disappear right before your very eyes!!!!!!
From your pocket to mine….it’s the GOP way.
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“How the fuck is it ‘moral’ to tax the Producers at high rates while the Takers get a free ride?” Commentby Mark The Redneck— 5/30/06@ 7:32 pm
That’s my whole point, Redneck. Workers produce everything. The owners of capital do nothing except boss workers around and take profits from what the workers produce.
The lazy owners of capital, who do not work, demand preferential status with respect to wealth, position in society, taxation, political power, etc. They claim to be entitled to this because they “take risks.” What risks? Show me a capitalist, and I’ll show you somebody who gets corporate welfare and government bailouts. Capitalists don’t take risks! Their whole fucking aim is to avoid risks, preferably by passing as many risks as possible to others — namely taxpayers, shareholders, customers, etc.
They want tort immunity.
They want workers to pay all the taxes.
They want taxpayers to clean up their industrial pollution.
They want government to pay for their workers’ health care.
They want shareholders to bear all the losses.
They want bankruptcy courts to bail them out of labor contracts and pension obligations.
They want government to bail them out of business losses.
They want subsidies.
They want government contracts.
They want tax credits, depreciation, depletion, tax deferral, preferential taxation, no taxation.
A “capitalist” is someone who makes other people take all the risks, bear all the costs, and takes all the profits for himself. And the whole fucking point of being a capitalist is so you can be a lazy ass who does no work and produces nothing.
Does that answer your question, Redneck?
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“And with the passive income buy politicians” Commentby For the Clueless— 5/30/06@ 7:37 pm
I read somewhere that between 2000 and 2004, the wealthy contributed $4 billion to GOP candidates and got $400 billion in tax cuts in return. Pretty damn good return on investment, if you ask me.
The return on investment for trailer park Republicans hasn’t been quite so rosy. In exchange for voting Republican, they get their sons in government-issued metal caskets, they get their jobs shipped to other countries, they get inflation and unemployment, they get higher interest rates and higher future taxes, they lose their health care, and generally get shit on by the people they voted for. Don’t feel sorry for them. They asked for it.
Boy it sure is fun watching the trollfucks twist their tiny minds into knots trying to justify taxing capital gains at less than half the rate paid by wage slaves.
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“Under most conditions they would be considered sociopaths.” Commentby Proud To Be An Ass— 5/30/06@ 7:40 pm
Let us not mince words here. Wingers like Redneck, righton, Janet S, Mr. Cynical, and Kevin Carns (yes, I know this list is redundant) ARE sociopaths.
Makes a guy Proud to be an American.
Just wanted to remind you wingers that your hero Lush Flimbaugh is peeing into a cup in front of his probation officer today. Great example for your kids!
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The parks department fascists offered a $50 reward for the location of my burrow, so I told them — AND THE FUCKING WELSHERS DIDN’T PAY ME THE $50!!!!!! Can you imagine that — fascists are welshers. Seems as though Redneck isn’t the only welsher around here.
Anyway, I figured it didn’t matter if they knew where my burrow is, because I know what a rabbit trap looks like (that’s how I’ve stayed out of them for so long) and, if things got too hot, I could always dig another burrow.
Well, you know what those devious fuckers did? They parked a STUFFED FEMALE RABBIT
I read somewhere that between 2000 and 2004, the wealthy contributed $4 billion to GOP candidates and got $400 billion in tax cuts in return. Pretty damn good return on investment, if you ask me.
Commentby Roger Rabbit— 5/30/06@ 8:19 pm
So now the wealthy only pay 95% of the tax burden instead of 96%.
outside my burrow, and when I came out and jumped on it and started humping it, they dropped a fucking NET on me!!! Sneaky bastards!!! Then they took me to a fucking CONCENTRATION CAMP and this fucking VETERINARIAN was gonna rip my claws out and cut off my balls!!! But to do that, first he has to get a grip on the rabbit, right? So what do you think he does, he picks me up by my ears, and that’s all he wrote folks …
… So after I gave DOCTOR MENGELE who performs MEDICAL EXPERIMENTS on liberal rabbits incarcerated in CONCENTRATION CAMPS a little nip on the thumb and a teensy scratch on his GONADS they threw me into solitary confinement. It took me TWO FUCKING WEEKS to gnaw through the rebar-reinforced concrete floor. The rest wasn’t too hard, as the isolation pen was only 140 feet from the outside fence, and I can tunnel that far in no time! Yeah, there’s a lot of rocks in the soil around here, but I just push the little ones out of the way and go around the big ones. I ain’t gonna tell you whether my new digs are in Green Lake Park, or Stefan’s garden, or somewhere else — in case they’re looking for me. Let’s just say it’s been six weeks since Easter and lots of people have dumped their Easter bunnies in the park and I’m gonna have the place repopulated faster than a Republican can get out of a DUI ticket!
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It’s hard to argue with your statistics, Dufus, since in your social class anybody with $5 is considered “wealthy.”
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Yeah and then they joked on their lunch breaks about how they ripped off Aunt Milly. Skilling and Lay will be talking about that in their prison cells for the rest of their lives. They won’t have much of anything else to do with their time.
So now the wealthy only pay 95% of the tax burden instead of 96%.
Creeping socialism if you ask me and my good buddies Robert Taft, Joe McCarthy, “Peanut” Chiang Kai Shek, John Foster Dulles, Benito Mussolini, and Adolph Hitler. We should settle for not less than 98%.
Go in God’s grace.
So now the wealthy only pay 95% of the tax burden instead of 96%.
Ah. So bribery is justified as a way to “build wealth”. Spill your guts, doofus….as you reveal the true motivation of nanny state conservatives.
There may be 12 step programs for your condition. Consult the yellow pages.
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This is what I’ll say about the atrocity incident in Iraq.
Atrocities occur in all wars, usually as a result of combat-stressed troops breaking under accumulated strain. That is what happened at My Lai, and apparently is what happened at Haditha.
The U.S. Marines are justly proud of their service, history, and traditions. Anyone who knows even a little about what the Marines did — and endured — in the island invasions of World War II, at Chosin Reservoir in Korea, and in the jungles of Vietnam has got to admire their fighting prowess, tenacity, and bravery.
What a small group of USMC personnel allegedly did at Habitha is not representative of the Corps or U.S. military forces in general. It is an aberration; a breakdown of discipline; a disregard of training; a departure from everything the Corps stands for. The Marines have earned the right to call themselves “liberators” in countless engagements.
We liberals, as patriotic Americans, should not judge the U.S. military personnel in Iraq or the Marine Corps by this incident.
It is right for us to expect and demand accountability. It is right for us to expect the military justice system to work as intended and designed. Those who committed the atrocity have dishonored the Corps and their country, and do not belong in the Marine Corps, but the meting out of justice to them must be tempered by knowledge of what they were asked to do, and what the daily ambushes by unseen enemies inevitably must do to a fighting unit’s morale and discipline. Farther up the chain of command, their should be no mercy for officers involved in efforts to cover up the incident, block investigation, or obstruct justice. We cannot entrust the command of troops who hold the power of life and death over innocent civilians in their hands to such men. They are unfit to be Marines, and should be drummed out of the Corps.
My liberal friends, let us remember, as the investigation and prosecution of this (and any other) atrocity incident unfolds, that 99% of our troops serving in Iraq are brave and honorable soldiers who deserve our respect and admiration, and who do not deserve to be judged by the bad judgment and discipline failures of the other 1%.
Re: #37…AAAAAA-MEN, Roger, and thank you. If there’s any blame to be laid for things like this, it’s the imbecile-in-chief who sent them there in the first place.
This is great… I luv talking economics with moonbats. I haven’t posted Moonbat Econ 101, so here goes:
Government exists to make private wealth possible.
Commentby Belltowner— 3/12/06@ 4:15 pm
I like Castro’s system better. He confiscates the employer’s property, shoots the employer, and the workers get quality health care for free. We need something like that in America.
Commentby Roger Rabbit— 3/19/06@ 3:42 pm
Don’t talk to me about “core beliefs…”
Commentby headless lucy— 3/25/06@ 7:07 pm
…the oil industry is a zero sum game ( like checkers )
Commentby headless lucy— 4/9/06@ 2:56 pm
“…higher PRODUCTIVITY means fewer jobs…”
Commentby Donnageddon— 4/9/06@ 4:06 pm
“Most wealthy people inherited their wealth and haven’t worked a day in their lives…”
Commentby headless lucy— 4/13/06@ 5:14 pm
..Corporate profits are driven by the cheap labor binge. Corporate executives, board members and their lackeys have rewarded themselves hugely.
Commentby For the Clueless— 4/15/06@ 12:12 pm
America has been reduced to an oil for paper trade.
Commentby For the Clueless— 4/15/06@ 1:05 pm
…The only way to battle the oil-paper-land casino is to opt out of it through micro-capitalism, localized production and consumption…
Commentby For the Clueless— 4/15/06@ 4:21 pm
The rich people who get all these tax breaks lend us that money back in the form of government bonds that they buy and that we have to repay them at interest.
This is not investing in the economy. It’s a double jeopardy rip-off!
Commentby harry poon— 4/18/06@ 8:21 pm
…I said the revenue was the result of deficit SPENDING DO YOU SEE THE WORD “SPENDING” SPENDING SPENDING SPENDING…
Commentby dlaw— 4/18/06@ 10:17 pm
“This most recent round of tax cuts will continue to explode the deficit by giving away over $900 Billion to the super-rich over the next ten years. [4/5/06 NYTimes]
Commentby Harry Tuttle aka Voter Advocate— 4/24/06@ 5:17 pm
How about redistributing the wealth so the top 1% don’t own 60% of all the property in theU.S.?
Commentby harry poon— 4/24/06@ 5:54 pm
If 1% of the population of the US gets the same amount of dollars yearly as the bottom 50%, why is it unfair to tax them at a higher rate?
Commentby harry poon— 4/24/06@ 7:51 pm
People who want to drill into our strategic oil reserves so Exxon/Mobil can have some short term profit are flat out TRAITORS!!!
Commentby harry poon— 4/27/06@ 8:25 pm
Proudass @ 12 – ‘Splain to me how MY FUCKING MONEY is somehow the collective “ours”. On what basis?
Did you go get 4 fucking university degrees to have the skills to make the money?
Are you the one who shows up every fucking day and works his ass off and has done so for decade after decade?
Are you the one who went beyond just being told what to do, and had the intellect to anticipate the future and get the business positioned to exploit opportunities?
Of course, you and the rest of the fucking freeloaders had nothing to do with any of it.
Here’s the deal: If you want what I’ve got do what I do. If you’re too fucking lazy or stoopid, tough shit.
SLIGHT CLARIFICATION: In Comment No. 30 one of our associates, Rufus Fitzgerald Kennedy, stated that the wealthy currently only pay 95 percent of the tax burden.
This figure is not fully accurate. The latest data from the Dept. of Homeland Security shows that the wealthy pay 98.264 percent of the tax burden. This is even after the implementation of the George W. Bush Administration’s first phase of tax-relief legislation.
This hugely unfair burden is why the Republican National Committee supports the immediate approval of Phase Two of the Bush Administration’s proposed tax reform package currently before Congress. Without passage of the full package, our economic sustainability is in doubt.
“Vagina Lips”? Wow. Love it when even the liberal men can’t resist the siren song of insult through misogyny.
I consider myself about as liberal as they come, but YOU’RE ALL ASSHOLES if you’re choosing this hateful speech.
There’s nothing wrong with vaginas or their goddamned lips. Words for female anatomy ARE NOT acceptable insults or synonyms for weakness or idiocy.
STOP MAKING MY SIDE LOOK BAD with your thoughtless misogyny.
“What a small group of USMC personnel allegedly did at Habitha is not representative of the Corps or U.S. military forces in general. It is an aberration; a breakdown of discipline; a disregard of training; a departure from everything the Corps stands for. The Marines have earned the right to call themselves “liberators†in countless engagements.”
WE WERE UNDER ORDERS.
Kill anything brown and moving.
Like Abu Ghraib, the policy was clear, straight for Rumsfield. We were under orders.
And now the bastards in the Bush Admin are gonna hang us.
We believed in our calling. We did what we were told because we trusted the command chain. We trusted the lies.
And now they are gonna hang us.
And the supporters of Bush are gonna watch us swing, and say “well that settles that.”
Iraq has turned us into animals. Under orders of psycopaths.
If you want what I’ve got do what I do
I don’t want sh*t for brains.
Cere, that sounds like you have a pagan name, which could put you on the fast track to hell, but thank you for telling those liberals where they can put their foul language.
Mr. Kennedy a man of God, and he deserves to be treated with respect. You don’t know how lucky you are to be able to read his advice!
Commentby Harry Tuttle aka Voter Advocate— 5/30/06@ 7:09 pm
“Since those capital gain increases likely match job loss in the companies invested in, it think it would be fair to index the tax rate to employment numbers.”
All of Bill Gates’ capital gains sure have resulted in job losses here in the Seattle area. Will the last person leaving Seattle please turn off the lights?
“All of Bill Gates’ capital gains sure have resulted in job losses here in the Seattle area. Will the last person leaving Seattle please turn off the lights?”
Basic Logic Demands and explanation for this nonsense post.
Or Basic Logic Demands it be disregarded as wingnut bullshit.
““All of Bill Gates’ capital gains sure have resulted in job losses here in the Seattle area. Will the last person leaving Seattle please turn off the lights?â€
Are you saying that capital gains results in job loss?
Then you agree that capital gains, as a community wide scurge should be taxed as a sin.
Capital gains = sin tax.
I agree.
Found a good picture of HA.org and (un)SP wingnuts.
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Roger – I ran your figures through Turbo Tax (2005). With two exemtions (married and filing jointly) one would have to had made over $9 million dollars in wage income to have paid 36+% in taxes. The 15% wage rate is about $105K. So what is your arguement as your original statement is pure nonsense.
(“Do you think it’s fair to pay 15% on capital gains if a wage earner with the same income is paying 37%? How is that fair? Why should owners of capital get preferential treatment over those who must live by selling their labor?”)
If I made $9M a year in wages I would love to invest a lot of it to get a lower tax rate. If I made $100K a year, I would love to invest the max in I could in a IRA and any discretionary income in the market. If I made $50K a year I would invest as much as I could afford in my IRA.
Congress has built in incentives in the tax code to encourage investment as that helps the economy and the investor. Are you suggesting that that incentive is wrong? If so and you were a member of Congress, how would you fix it? Do you totally want to kill all investment in the United States by taxing Investments at 40%?
“one would have to had made over $9 million dollars in wage income to have paid 36+% in taxes.”
The most incredibly stupid statement I have heard all year!
http://www.fairmark.com/refrence/index.htm
OR does silly guy make a basic logic mistake of saying that 35% and 36% is worth a 9 million dollar argument?
What a sillyguy… what a moronicguy… what an evilguy…what a wingnut troll.
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“Re: #37…AAAAAA-MEN, Roger, and thank you. If there’s any blame to be laid for things like this, it’s the imbecile-in-chief who sent them there in the first place.” Commentby ArtFart— 5/30/06@ 9:20 pm
It’s not quite that simple, Art, although you do make an important point; to wit, politicians should KNOW what happens in wars, and should KNOW that when they decide to lead their nations to war, those things are GOING to happen.
Although a nation’s leaders bear ultimate responsibility for their decisions on matters of war and peace, that does not exonerate soldiers from their responsibility for breakdowns of military discipline.
These guys know what the rules are, and — if the allegations are true — they knew damn well they were breaking them. Nothing in their training or orders gave them any basis to think they had any permission or authority to randomly select unarmed civilians and kill them in revenge for casualties they suffered at the hands of armed adversaries. No one ever gave them any reason to believe they were authorized to deliberately shoot babies and chidren. In any place, at any time, under any circumstances, that is murder. Pure and simple. And individuals who commit murder are accountable to society and humanity for their criminal acts — we established and enforced that principle at Nuremberg. If the allegations are true, there should be no free pass for the Marines who did the unauthorized and illegal shooting.
You have to realize that the rich do not pay taxes – 2004
51 – run the numbers yourself through Turbo Tax – until you do keep your thoughts to yourself
” You know what else I think? You know what else I think when they say, tax the rich? Most rich people are able to avoid taxes, and if you can’t raise enough money from taxing the rich, guess who pays the taxes?”
– G W Bush
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news.....811-6.html
Geez, I hate to throw in technical stuff here… but why don’t you clarify whether you’re talking about marginal rates or overall.
You’re both full of shit…
So now we now that GWB acknowledges that the rich not only do not pay “36%+” in taxes… they avoid them completely.
If you disagree, you are calling GWB a liar, and are thus a terrorist.
therefore, basic ligic demands that Rich people do not pay taxes, they are traitors, and should be taxed retroactively until their traitorous eyeballs bleed.
That is what basiclogicdemands.
“marginal rates or overall.”
GW Bush has made it clear “rich people are able to avoid taxes”
They are traitors and should be hung.
re 30: There is something very wrong with this “96% of the taxes are paid by the wealthy” figure. It just cannot be true. By “wealthy” I’m talking about the less than 1% of the population that controls 60% of the wealth of the world. And I do not mean corporations , either. I’m not talking about the millions of people who make $100,000 a year +. Just the uber rich. What are they paying and how can you verify it ?
I am sorry.. but anyone who defends the rich is a terrorist.
That is what GW Bush has told us.
This 96% figure has to be wrong.
It is true. Rich people avoid taxes, as we learned form the commander in Chief. As such they are undermining the war on Terror, and they war in Iraq.
We hate to do it, but Rich people are going to be rounded up and sent to Gitmo and tortured.
LOLOLOL
Just kidding, we will just listen to people who would underimine the Bush Admin, and put electrodes to their balls.
Not for information, but Rumsfield just enjoys watching the videos.
Thast guy is SICK!
But he is our boss.
Just a part of the job.
Goldy, it’s time to leave the hateful bullshit people behind. We need your comments section to be place to build community and to help win elections.
agreed
Well the producers pay most of the taxes. The top 50% of wage earners pay over 96% of the taxes…see:
Only The Rich Pay Taxes
Top 50% of Wage Earners Pay 96.03% of Income Taxes
October 10, 2003
There is new data for 2001. The share of total income taxes paid by the top 1% fell to 33.89% from 37.42% in 2000. This is mainly because their income share (not just wages) fell from 20.81% to 17.53%. However, their average tax rate actually rose slightly from 27.45% to 27.50%.
*Data covers calendar year 2001, not fiscal year 2001 – and includes all income, not just wages, excluding Social Security
This proves that it was not the tax cut that caused revenues from the rich to fall, but the recession and the stock market crash. In other words, you live by the sword, you die by the sword. If you are going to benefit from the rich paying more taxes, due to progressivity, on the upside, you are going to lose more revenue from these people on the downside. This is a good argument for reducing progressivity.
Think of it this way: less than four dollars out of every $100 paid in income taxes in the United States is paid by someone in the bottom 50% of wage earners. Are the top half millionaires? Noooo, more like “thousandaires.” The top 50% were those individuals or couples filing jointly who earned $26,000 and up in 1999. (The top 1% earned $293,000-plus.) Americans who want to are continuing to improve their lives – and those who don’t want to, aren’t. Here are the wage earners in each category and the percentages they pay:
Top 5% pay 53.25% of all income taxes (Down from 2000 figure: 56.47%). The top 10% pay 64.89% (Down from 2000 figure: 67.33%). The top 25% pay 82.9% (Down from 2000 figure: 84.01%). The top 50% pay 96.03% (Down from 2000 figure: 96.09%). The bottom 50%? They pay a paltry 3.97% of all income taxes. The top 1% is paying more than ten times the federal income taxes than the bottom 50%! And who earns what? The top 1% earns 17.53 (2000: 20.81%) of all income. The top 5% earns 31.99 (2000: 35.30%). The top 10% earns 43.11% (2000: 46.01%); the top 25% earns 65.23% (2000: 67.15%), and the top 50% earns 86.19% (2000: 87.01%) of all the income.
The Rich Earned Their Dough, They Didn’t Inherit It (Well except my uncle Ted Kennedy)
Check Out the UPDATED IRS Table of Numbers from 2001…
(The IRS: Individual Income Tax Returns Each Tax Year 1986 – 2001)
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Read the Article…
(AP: Obscure minimum tax will affect 36 million by 2010)
Now I ask you are we really taxing the poor in this country if the top 50% pay almost all the federal income taxes?
Oh shit, I gota run. I have to get too a vote.
You know that according to the article cited above the top 50% pay more than their fair share of taxes. Wow. The to 5% earn 32% of all the income but yet pay for 54% of all taxes. You donks dont know what you are talking about. Nuff said.
re 65: My point is that your figure of 96% is very deceptive. Your consideration of a couple in 1999 earning $26,000 between them as being “wealthy” is absurd. They may have been in the top 50%, but they were not wealthy by any means. The 96% figure gets whittled down a lot with even the most cursory examination of your numbers and the actual social facts behind them.
So, I am left to wonder if you are really that stupid or if you have ulterior motives for presenting the 96% figure when a simple examination of your own information puts the lie to your assertion.
Don’t EVER quote that BS 96% figure on this blog ever again!! It is a destructive and disheartening bullshit lie and I would personally kick your ass if I knew who you were.
How about regressive “use” taxes? Does a person driving around in a Mazzerrratttiii pay more gas tax per gallon than some poor schmoe in an old Maverick going to his lousy cheapass cheap labor job?
I think not.
Therefore, we need a progressive state income tax to make up the difference.
And if the rich don’t like it , they can move to Alabama.
re 70: Where skies are so blue and the guvmint’s true…
I question why anyone would need FOUR university degrees to make any money. I have none and make at least as much as Mark Reddick–I can say that without fear of being incorrect unless he’s very, very rich indeed.
re 72: I have two university degrees and I’ve had my ups and downs.Many people make more than I do and many people make much less.
But the important thing is that my car is a sleeper. If you try to out accelerate me you will most probably be left in the dust.
The right wingers will try to blame the “liberal press” but this is the Iraqi Ambassador saying this – not the press…
BLITZER: So what you’re suggesting, your cousin was killed in cold blood, is that what you’re saying, by United States Marines?
AL-SUMAIDAIE: I believe he was killed intentionally. I believe that he was killed unnecessarily. And unfortunately, the investigations that took place after that sort of took a different course and concluded that there was no unlawful killing.
I would like further investigation. I have, in fact, asked for the report of the last investigation, which was a criminal investigation, by the way.
General Casey is aware of all the details, because he’s kept on top of it. And it was he who rejected the conclusions of the first investigation. I have since asked formally for the report, but it’s been nearly two months and I have not received it.
AL-SUMAIDAIE: Ultimately, possibly yes. But in situations like this, the ramifications are so profound that they — they would initially take the attitude that they hope this would go away. If it can be swept under the rug, it would. But when — when it goes up higher in the hierarchy, then there are people who recognize the potential damage of cover-up, and there is a better possibility of it being opened up….read on.
Another proud moment for America. These fucks are doing this in our name.
“Therefore, we need a progressive state income tax to make up the difference.
And if the rich don’t like it , they can move to Alabama.
Commentby GORDITOS DE LOS ALBERTO— 5/31/06@ 12:18 am”
Hey Mr. Taco Bell!
Are you trying to get rid of all of us Microsofties that fund 97% of the State Democratic Party?
Alabama ain’t so bad…but there are many other states that would welcome us with open checkbooks.
It appears you have eaten yet another bad burrito and it has clogged your thinking.
Rumors have started to surface that our own Sheriff Davie is about to be closely tied to disgraced criminal republican lobbist Jackoff Jack. I can’t wait for these details and the ensuing right wing spin.
“Given the approval ratings of Congress these days, I guess we should all be grateful the bricks are coming through the mail, not the window.”
– DAN PFEIFFER, a spokesman for Senator Evan Bayh, on a campaign to
influence Congress on the immigration issue.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05.....ref=slogin
I forgot to thank you dumb Yankees for taking all out best citizens from Cuba. That new wall will not stop all the boat people coming into your ports. We are cleaning out all our prisons and shipping them to you in shipping containers.
Seems to me that WAGES should be taxed at zero. It’s our fucking money. Our labor is used to propel the economy. That’s our “gift” to society; letting others pay us for the use of our labor.
Then tax the hell out of people who do NOTHING but lease their money to us.
Roger Rabbit @ 37:
Nicely put by someone who’s been there and understands. While I agree with you that the military justice system now has seek the truth and hand down the appropriate punishment, I know I’ll get some backlash for this next comment, but I for one cannot call it murder. At least not in the first degree. For one it was not premeditated. Second, their psychological state has to be taken into account due to the accumulated battle fatigue you mentioned.
The latter is most critical. To avoid the diatribe answer as to why it is happening, simply put: George W. Bush did not execute a comprehensive war plan. He failed to plan for post combat operations beyond ordinary Iraqi citizens electing their leaders. That is NOT democracy. What George W. Bush fails to realize to this very day is that democracy will not and cannot flourish in the midst of pure chaos.
Our military is designed for:
Blowing things up.
Killing adversaries.
Our military is not for:
Police actions.
Peace keeping.
The effective military option expired within 2 weeks after the fall of Baghdad. The ensuing chaos, rioting, looting, and rising insurgency is proof positive that George W. Bush lacks the mental fortitude to understand the obvious outcome that his father predicted in his book.
““Trying to eliminate Saddam .. would have incurred incalculable human and political costs. Apprehending him was probably impossible … We would have been forced to occupy Baghdad and, in effect, rule Iraq …there was no viable “exit strategy” we could see, violating another of our principles. Furthermore, we had been self-consciously trying to set a pattern for handling aggression in the post-Cold War world. Going in and occupying Iraq, thus unilaterally exceeding the United Nations’ mandate, would have destroyed the precedent of international response to aggression that we hoped to establish. Had we gone the invasion route, the United States could conceivably still be an occupying power in a bitterly hostile land.“
“. . . an occupying power in a bitterly hostile land.”
That’s why they are under such heavy stress. The AWOL from the TANG CinC just doesn’t get real sacrifice.
“. . . destroyed the precedent of international response to aggression that we hoped to establish.”
Now he’s fucked up a real international response to a REAL threat with REAL WMD capabilities in the near future, Iran.
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George W. Bush doesn’t understand how democracy is supposed to work in his own country, so you can’t expect him to understand how to make it work in Iraq.
39
Hey Redneck — you forgot this one:
“Ummm…. if the President says it… it’s not a ‘leak’. A ‘leak’ is disclosing information without authorization. Since the President is the boss, it is by definition not a leak since he can authorize whatever the fuck he wants. That’s how things work when you’re boss.” Commentby Mark The Redneck— 4/10/06@ 3:06 pm
39 (continued)
Hey Redneck, I got a question for ya, good buddy:
Does that also imply the Supreme Leader doesn’t have to pay his gambling debts, because as a person whom you obviously thing is above the law and answerable to no one, he can do whatever the fuck he wants? Does this trickle down to his followers? Is that how you rationalized welshing on your lost bet to Goldy?
Just curious.
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“I have to get too a vote.” Commentby RUFUS Fitzgerald Kennedy— 5/30/06@ 11:08 pm
Hey Dufus, is “to” too long a word for you to spell correctly?
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If you think it takes $9 million of wages to kick someone into a 37% bracket, maybe you should buy a real Turbo Tax instead of using a pirate version. It only costs $19.95, you fucking freeloader.
50
“If I made $9M a year in wages I would love to invest a lot of it to get a lower tax rate.” Commentby sillyguy— 5/30/06@ 10:07 pm
If I made $9T a year in wages I would love to invest a lot of it to get a lower tax rate.
“Congress has built in incentives in the tax code to encourage investment as that helps the economy and the investor.” Commentby sillyguy— 5/30/06@ 10:07 pm
Yeah, I’ve noticed that. How come they didn’t build in incentives in the tax code to encourage work? Does this mean work doesn’t help the economy? It sure doesn’t help the worker.
ROGER RABBIT POLL
The Republicans running Congress don’t build incentives in the tax code to encourage work because:
[ ] 1. They’re only interested in rewarding their rich campaign contributors;
[ ] 2. They want to make it harder for workers to make $10 campaign contributions to Democrats;
[ ] 3. They hate workers;
[ ] 4. They’re CHEAP LABOR CONSERVATIVES and giving tax breaks, however puny, to workers makes labor more expensive;
[ ] 5. All of the above.
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For someone who shows up every day and works his ass off, you sure have a lot of free time to spend by posting on HorsesAss, Redneck. Are you doing this on your employer’s time and computer?
40 (continued)
Examples of people who show up and work their ass off every day:
1. Waitress
2. Janitor
3. Truck driver
4. Retail clerk
5. Maid
6. Garbage collector
7. Construction worker
8. Army private
9. Lumber stacker
10. Longshoreman
Somehow I get the feeling Redneck doesn’t know a fucking thing about working in any of those occupations, or, for that matter, about what working your ass off is REALLY like.
Few things in this life are as amusing as listening to a Republican pretend to “work hard.” The whole fucking point of being a Republican is to live off other people’s hard work so you don’t have to work at all!!! Like JCH and Cynical, for example, who think all the money should go to the owners of capital and investment income shouldn’t be taxed, so they can live well without lifting a finger and somebody else has to do all the work.
Let me repeat that:
THE WHOLE FUCKING POINT OF BEING A REPUBLICAN IS TO LIVE OFF OTHER PEOPLE’S HARD WORK!!!
Actually, there are several key points to being a Republican. Here is a partial list of the Republican credo:
1. Make other people work hard so you don’t have to work at all.
2. Make other people fight your wars.
3. Make other people pay your share of taxes.
4. Make other people take all the risks.
and, most important,
5. Bitch and complain about how hard you work and how much taxes you pay, and claim you deserve your wealth because you’re a risk taker.
Jon Corzine is a bitter girl
CONSTANT VIGILANCE
washingtonpost.com’s Daily Politics Discussion
John F. Harris
Washington Post National Political Editor
Thursday, May 25, 2006; 11:00 AM
New Paltz, NY: What the heck were the Post editors thinking when they ran that piece on Frist and the gorillas? Was that some kind of weird joke?
John F. Harris: There were also a lot of questions and comments about this piece by Laura Blumenfeld in yesteday’s paper. We’ll post it.
She’s a great writer, and she ran that piece as part of a regular, monthly feature on our Fed Page called “Off Camera.” Fed Page editor Maralee Schwartz says the purpose is to give readers “a different look” at familiar Washington figures, shedding light “on what they are like as people.”
If that is a regular, MONTHLY feature, then what’s the deal with this, a week later: http://www.outsidethetent.com/hastert.htm
The top 1% should be taxed at a 70% rate — minimum. They were taxed at 90% under Truman and Eisenhower because of Postwar stuff. What you are taxing them on is only what you can find. These guys need to be watched like hawks and taxed ’til they squeek!!!
If they don’t like it they can go live in some other country.
Is Mark the Redneck really Mark Reddick?
To: Roger Rabbit at #37 (about the Marine incident):
I couldn’t agree more with your comment. I would add that I think that such incidents are bound to occur whenever you have military conflict which lasts a long time in close proximity to civilians. But my thoughts on this subject are far too long to put in a comment, so I posted them online here.
And the supporters of Bush are gonna watch us swing, and say “well that settles that.â€
Iraq has turned us into animals. Under orders of psycopaths.
Comment by USMC personnel at Habitha — 5/30/06 @ 9:34 pm
You join the Cuban Army and that will not happen, I will defend all my solders except Che. That brassard tried to cheat on me, poor brassard. I’m better than Bush we allow our men to do anything they want to win our wars. They are so great don’t need to pray to any god and they love pork. The only drawback is during training we only allow rabbit dishes for out last meal of the day. Not those old goats and rice for our troops, and we use the rabbit feet for luck. You got to have all the luck, bunnies feet is the best, and the witch doctors love to jinks our enemies. Yes we are the greatest animals on this island, and love to eat every bodies else critters also. No psychopaths allowed we are blessed with many and we send them to your country to grow up and be Democrats.
1. Another proud moment for America. These fucks are doing this in our name.
Comment by LeftTurn — 5/31/06 @ 6:16 am
2. Now he’s fucked up a real international response to a REAL threat with REAL WMD capabilities in the near future, Iran.
Comment by GBS — 5/31/06 @ 9:58 am
3. If they don’t like it they can go live in some other country.
Comment by Gorditos de los Alberto — 5/31/06 @ 12:12 pm
4. 5. Bitch and complain about how hard you work and how much taxes you pay, and claim you deserve your wealth because you’re a risk taker.
Comment by Roger Rabbit — 5/31/06 @ 10:43 am
Now will these great citizens step up to the plate and serve their country to make it the Greatest Nation on this Earth. Join the Pease Core, join the military, become a lawyer and help the poor, or buy a bumper sticker to Free Tibet.
Folks your worst fears are taking place someone is starting a new war and they did not ask you for permission.
Iran’s military plans for invasion by U.S.
By Iason Athanasiadis
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
May 31, 2006
TEHRAN — Iran, apparently anticipating an American invasion, has quietly been restructuring its military and testing a new military doctrine that calls for a decentralized, Iraqi-style guerrilla campaign against an invading force.
Iran’s military planners are acutely aware that a military confrontation with technologically more advanced U.S. armed forces would be rapid and multifronted, unlike the static and slow-paced 1980-88 war with Saddam Hussein’s Iraq.
Therefore, a series of war games have been carried out since late last year to test the army’s readiness.
In December, more than 15,000 members of the regular armed forces participated in an exercise in northwestern Iran’s strategically sensitive Azerbaijan border provinces that focused on irregular warfare carried out by highly mobile army units, according to the official MENA news agency.
A second exercise was conducted in the majority-Arab province of Khuzestan in September, according to the Iranian press, aimed at quelling insurgencies in areas subject to ethnic unrest and prone to foreign influence.
Involving a reported 100,000 troops, the exercise provided an example of how the Islamic Republic would respond to further disturbances in the strategic, oil-rich province that has been the scene of a year-old terrorist bombing campaign.
Iranian officials, including the interior and the intelligence ministers, as well as several religious leaders, have repeatedly blamed the disturbances on British forces occupying nearby southern Iraq.
http://www.washtimes.com/world.....-6573r.htm
What’s the Pease Core?
Fedil @97
If you need to dine on Roger Rabbit to keep your army going, you don’t have an army, because they all starved a long time ago. ha-ha-ha
97
I think the main point I want to make about the Habitha incident is that we liberals are not going to suddenly get stupid and take out our frustrations with Bush’s misbegotten war on the troops he sent it fight it, no matter how much the righties might wish we would.
RR @ 102:
You know that traitor Rove has already planned on putting “rouge” war protesters at peace rallies to protest against the troops. That way they can wag their fingers and say “see, those liberals hate the troops.”
A second look at the oil shortage and where the problems lie……..
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>
>
> OIL shortage
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> A lot of folks can’t understandhow we came to have an oil shortage here
> in our country.
> ~~~
> Well, there’s a very simple answer.
> ~~~
> Nobody bothered to check the oil.
> ~~~
> We just didn’t know we were getting low.
> ~~~
> The reason for that is purely geographical.
> ~~~
> Our OIL is located in
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> Alaska
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> California
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> Coastal Florida
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> Coastal Louisiana
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> Kansas
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> Oklahoma
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> Pennsylvania
> and
> Texas
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> Our
> DIPSTICKS
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> are located in
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> Washington DC
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Everyone should be taxed equally, plain and simple. Flat tax is the only fair way to go. xx% is still xx%, whether it’s xx% of $20,000 or xx% of $500,000. If the government takes all your money away when you work hard to earn it then there’s little incentive to work hard to get ahead, and poof! there goes one of the basic tenets of capitalism. Oh, but that’s right, you all would love to live in a socialist wonderland if you could, despite the fact that it’s well-proven that no socialist economy has ever worked in the history of humanity. Ever. Never ever.
Capitalism has significant flaws, no doubt about it, but no matter how bad or unfair you think it is, it’s much worse elsewhere. And you know what, LIFE ISN’T FAIR and some people really do get the short end of the stick. That’s REALITY folks, and it’s not my responsiblity to pay for all those schmucks who have no desire or drive to better themselves.
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