So… “Lobbyist Mike” McGavick says he’ll balance the budget by cutting taxes, and he promises never, ever to raise taxes under any circumstances whatsoever, regardless of national emergency or unexpected crisis or anything, anything at all!
Uh-huh. Sure. I guess that’s his idea of responsible governance.
Yeah, right. He’ll also respect us in the morning.
You mean Slade McGavick, Gorton’s butt boy, who has as much chance of being our U.S. Senator as Ellen Craswell and John Carlson had of being governor?
Before I forget … klake is a nazi.
So, Stefan, why aren’t you going to share the proceeds of your lawsuit against King County with the generous donors to your “legal action fund” who paid for the lawsuit?
“So… “Lobbyist Mike” McGavick says he’ll balance the budget by cutting taxes”
Sounds like Republican Math! Brought to you by the same idiots who think cutting wages improves workers’ lives. McGavick is a CHEAP LABOR CONSERVATIVE (see http://www.conceptualguerilla......php?id=103) — unless you ask HIM to work cheap.
The Rossi charade is underway —- wait for Mc Gavick to uttter the famous —- “Oh, I am not running on that issue”, when asked hard issue type questions.
Almost worked — Goldy tell us more about the Slade connection. Slade in NOT liked in the Blue counties. Good card to keep Dems tracking on the goal…….all Gordon ever lacked were fangs.
Slade has a gay son, Todd, that he never put on his campaign literature. Ye, campaign lit with no Todd in phots or mention, just the girls. Gordon admitted the fact years ago on a radio show in Yakima under direct questioning — now that is a model dad.
Let’s talk more about a Slade clone coming down the track. Son of Slade.
McGavick is a $14-million-a-year insurance CEO who thinks we should elect him to the U.S. Senate because too many kids don’t have health care.
HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR
He’s funny — he should be on Jay Leno.
McGavick seems to be running on “I’m not a Republican!” His campaign ads don’t tell you what party he belongs to. That’s because the GOP label doesn’t sell real well these days.
It’s getting really bad at the Bush White House:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....=emaillink
I rememeber Bush saying, in 2000, that a tax rate of over 33 percent was absolutely wrong except during a time of war.
Well, George, perhaps the richest 10 percent could do WITHOUT the tax cut so the war can be paid for NOW instead of later by my GRANDCHILDREN?
Notice how quiet the wingers are about Goldy’s comment. Could it be because they know they don’t have a credible defense of McGavick’s “voodoo economics?”
Didn’t you guys learn anything from Reagan? Did you have your heads up your horsesass the whole time? If you recall, Reagan cut tax RATES significantly, and during his watch fed gummint revenue nearly DOUBLED. Combine that with getting a handle on social spending and you got a balanced budget. FWIW, I agree with the HAs here for criticizing GWB for not cutting social spending to get a balanced budget.
MTR, with all of your fancy degrees and suitably arrogant demeanor I assume you learned actual economic policy history.
You know that Reagan didn’t balance the budget — he racked up what at the time were far and away the largest budget deficits, as a percentage of GNP, in the country’s history. The budget wasn’t balanced until well into the Clinton administration. Note that this occurred despite tax increases under both Clinton and Bush I.
You know these things. They are incredibly basic. Yet you can’t seem to help from lying. Why is that?
Read what I wrote you fucking idiot. I said REVENUE nearly doubled. The DEFICIT went up because the democrats in congress FAILED to hold up their end of the deal with 3:2 spending cuts.
Do you remember the term DOA smartfuckingass? When Reagan presented budgets?
So go peddle your swill elsewhere. Doesn’t work here with MTR.
Mary the Redneck @ 12
Okay, can you actually do math?
Reagan was a Keynesian, although he lied about it. He borrowed and spent on an unprecedented scale. He simply added a new, irresponsible ripple: lower taxes irresponsibly.
He was saved by Volker who, of course, he fought. The tremendous rise in interest rates created unprecedented rewards for investment, overcame fears of inflation, created a near-term recession and then a bull market in bonds that lasted basically until a couple years ago.
Other than all those things, your fantasy definition of what Reagan did is, well, uninformed at best.
Mary @ 14
Of course revenue went up, dumbass, what the hell do you think happens when you pump that much new money into the economy? Forget about your Laffer curve nonsense.
If you recall, Reagan cut tax RATES significantly, and during his watch fed gummint revenue nearly DOUBLED
According to the OMB, you’re lying.
dlaw – how many fucking times do I need to say it. REVENUE NEARLY DOUBLED WHEN HE CUT TAX RATES ! ! !
High interest rates… check your facts asshole. Remember rates around 21% when we had Nobel Prize winning Worst President of the 20th century? Remember the “misery index” of inflation plus unemployment? what was it 30% +?
Like I told the other asshole… don’t try that shit here with MTR on the job. You’re welcome…
Re 12: Reagan had the highest tax hike in history — through the back door. He DOUBLED SOCIAL SECURITY WITHHOLDING and spent it on what he wanted — all of it. This 300 billion dollar off-the-books shot in the arm made Reagan’s numbers better than they actually were. Taxes revenue ALWAYS increase. That’s a historical trend. Look it up.
But tax revenues increased, %-wise, less under Reagan than any other previous president.
Your “spin” = a lie
Green Thumb,
You have to pardon Mary the Redneck. Now that the Bush administration has made it completely obvious that Reagan and Bush Jr. are using simple Keynesian economics their panties are all in a bunch.
You see, they need the Magic Laffer Curve (not even the real one will do). Using Magic Laffer economics you find that as taxes approach ZERO tax revenues actually approach INFINITY!!!!
It’s not economics, of course. It’s alchemy.
You say you have four degrees. Do you have a doctorate in an economics-related field?
I don’t believe you do, because even the more ideological scholars (of both the left and right) do a much more sophisticated job of grounding their arguments in facts. Your tendency is to shoot from the hip factually and then try to cover it up with bluster (e.g., overheated name calling).
For all of your bullying rhetoric, you dodged my basic point: The budget was balanced by a Democratic president, with the helpful assist of a moderate Republican president. In your ideological zealousness you will likely refuse to acknowledge this, but a host of credible, mainstream economists have argued that the tax increases of Clinton and Bush I laid the foundation for balancing the budget.
You can’t challenge that, because what I have said is grounded in pretty basic facts that any economist who isn’t blinded by ideology would agree with.
uhh… no, the budget was balanced by Newt Gingrich. He had to drag bubba kicking and screaming.
Mary The Redneck @ 18
Oh I assume then you mean “Reagan” when you say “Worst President of the 20th century” because INTEREST RATES PEAKED IN ’81 YOU DIPSHIT!
God, what an embarrassment you are.
Green Thumb @ 21
Forget it. For these morons Reagan only signed the part of the budget that lowered taxes, not the part of the budget that raised deficits. Clinton only signed the part of the budget that raised taxes, not the part of the budget that lowered deficits. See, because Republicans only do the good things. Of course WHO IS RAISING DEFICITS NOW????????
Oh, didn’t you know? Al-Qaeda snuck in and forged Bush’s signature on all that spending.
Dlaw, Not your finest day. Repeat ECON 101. JCH
Mary, TJ, you’re morons.
Reagan pumped new money into the economy with radical deficit spending and he got a huge help when VOLKER turned inflation around and created the bull market.
Nobody wants the warmed-over craponomics you’re trying to sell.
JCH, please add to this discussion.
Maybe you can explain where that 1.5 trillion in transfer payments that you lost went to.
How can you discuss economics WHEN YOU CAN’T DIVIDE AND MULTIPLY????
Stick with gay porn, moron.
re 22: ….and, MTR, what about the doubling of the SS withholding under the guise of saving it for the baby boomers and then spending it all as fast as he got it. That’s a lying scam , for sure!
And I am talking here About R. Reagan — no one else.
dlaw,
Umm, huh?
Mary The Redneck @ 18
While I’m enjoying reading what a fraudulent idiot you are, I need more.
Show me proof that it was ONLY lower taxes and not VAST INCREASES IN DEFICIT SPENDING that raised revenue.
God, you’re such a fool. Tell me, do you live in a fucking cave or something?
TJ @ 29
The sound of an idiot waking up.
dlaw,
I don’t know why you’re targeting me. Please read my contributions to this thread and explain.
The rich people who get all these tax breaks lend us that money back in the form of government bonds that they buy and that we have to repay them at interest.
This is not investing in the economy. It’s a double jeopardy rip-off!
Maybe you can explain where that 1.5 trillion in transfer payments that you lost went to.
Commentby dlaw— 4/18/06@ 8:14 pm
That is easy…Food stamps, school lunches,welfare, West Virginia (KKK Byrd), you know the wastful spending donks gota have.
Hey, Rufus, what percentage of the federal budget did welfare take up before the Gingrich/Clinton reforms were implemented in the 1990s?
He’ll never raise taxes? Didn’t PaPa Bush say “Read my lips?”
As Alaska’s candidate for US Senate, Mikey doesn’t stand a chance.
Read My Lips!
No New taxes.
We got a New World Order.
The Middle Class and Poor need not apply.
I wish my son had not invaded Iraq.
Scary Stuff.
Scary.
Not gonna do it!
Wouldn’t be prudent.
‘Nuff Said.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12376396/
A shocking blow to the Taliban wing of the GOP. We beat you right wing assholes again. Get used to it.
Hey, Rufus, what percentage of the federal budget did welfare take up before the Gingrich/Clinton reforms were implemented in the 1990s?
Commentby Green Thumb— 4/18/06@ 8:26 pm
You mean part of the contract with America. Glad you mentioned that. Welfare reform has been a great sucess. Thanks Gingrich.
(dlaw) and RUFUS @ 34
Maybe you can explain where that 1.5 trillion in transfer payments that you lost went to.
Commentby dlaw— 4/18/06@ 8:14 pm
That is easy…Food stamps, school lunches,welfare, West Virginia (KKK Byrd), you know the wastful spending donks gota have.
Commentby RUFUS— 4/18/06@ 8:22 pm
WOW, RUFUS, you have outdone yourself!
School lunches are EVIL!
Yeah, so are you.
Klake is a Nazi.
Face it they are all liars, Clinton and Gregoire both said they would not raise taxes.
Don, Is the hotest Democrat in 2006 Cindi Mckinney or Tawana Brawley?? Have you dated either?
WOW, RUFUS, you have outdone yourself!
School lunches are EVIL!
Yeah, so are you.
Klake is a Nazi.
Commentby Donnageddon— 4/18/06@ 8:43 pm
Donna do it right!
You have to ball and cry and have convulsive fits when fighting for school lunches. Especially if it is a cut in an increase. Come on, remember the 90’s.
JCH, please add to this discussion.
Commentby dlaw— 4/18/06@ 8:14 pm………………………………………………………………………….. [OK…….Listen closely, Dlaw………………Milton Freidman and Art Laffer were correct. Democrats are parasites. Altas has Shrugged, and California inten years will be Baja Norte. Any questions???]
Hey, Rufus, you didn’t answer the question. I assume that was for one of two reasons:
1) You don’t know, because you don’t care about facts that get in the way of your bigotries.
2) You know that welfare even at its peak represented a tiny percentage of the federal budget.
Yeah, I didn’t expect you to make an honest argument, because you are either a paid troll or an unthinking bigot.
Finally, Dlaw, Democrat union controlled public K12 education is doomed to failure. Kids today WITH a high school degree are generally uneducated sheep because of the union teacher who all want to earn 60,000 a year working 180 days. Most of these union hacks couldn’t make half that much in the private sector. In addition, education majors in college were generally the bottom of the barrel SAT and grade wise.
Hey, Rufus, you didn’t answer the question. I assume that was for one of two reasons:
1) You don’t know, because you don’t care about facts that get in the way of your bigotries.
2) You know that welfare even at its peak represented a tiny percentage of the federal budget.
Yeah, I didn’t expect you to make an honest argument, because you are either a paid troll or an unthinking bigot.
Commentby Green Thumb— 4/18/06@ 8:52 pm
Dumbass, I did. The reason welfare reform happened in the 90’s is because the repubs took control of the house and senate for the first time since the 50’s.
Stop welfare and many Democrats will have to work to eat. It’s that simple.
It’s funny how you can call someone a dumbass when you still didn’t address my point: Welfare even at its peak represented a tiny percentage of the federal budget. Even if Republicans had achieved their wet dream of eliminating it altogether that would have made very little difference in federal spending.
When you get all riled up about welfare that isn’t because of its cost — it’s because of your values. If you were making an honest argument you would acknowlege this. Instead you play the politics of obfuscation. How do you expect folks to take you seriously when you do this?
Now we have crude oil up at over $70 a barrel. Gas prices have gone up about 10 cents in the last week. If you’re driving a car that gets 15 miles per gallon that means that you’re spending less than three-fourths of one penny more for every mile you drive. If you have a 15 mile commute to work, this 10 cent rise in gas prices is costing you 20 cents a day. Wow! I can see why you’re so upset!
With these gas prices going up politicians are seeing another golden opportunity to demagogue the oil companies. Hitler blamed the Jews. Demagogue politicians blame the oil companies. They know they’re blowing smoke, but they also know that the average American was educated in government schools and is simply too ignorant to understand the truth about gas prices and oil company profits.
Most government school graduates can’t even so much as explain the difference between a profit and a profit margin. Let’s say that you’re selling a widget for $10 and you’re making a 10% profit. Your profit is $1.00. Your profit margin is 10%. Now let’s say that your costs go up by $9 a widget. So, you double the price at the widget store. Now widgets are selling for $20. Your costs are $18 per widget, so you’re making $2.00 on every sale. Your profit has doubled to $2.00 per widget, but your profit margin is still 10%. You’re still making the same profit on every dollar that you invest in your business, but your profits have doubled! So … as surely as wet streets follow rain … along comes the politician to demagogue you for doubling your profits. He starts to talk about a windfall profits tax to take that extra dollar away from you. Oh, to be sure, he knows what the real story is here — but he also knows that his poorly educated constituents don’t know. The playing field is set for some grandstanding and pandering … and our politico is off to the races!
Sometimes it makes you wonder what the real purpose of our hideous government school system is. Are those schools there to educate Americans to the greatest extent possible? Or are those schools there to educate people just to the point that they can become good little servants of our increasingly-powerful Imperial Federal Government?
Rufus @ 34
Okay, yet more evidence that you CAN’T EVEN FUCKING ADD!
Add up those programs and get 1.5 TRILLION, YOU ABSOLUTE IDIOT!
Tax Inheritance and Capital gains and Neocons will have to work for the first time.
Expect delays.
On everything.
JCH is now rivalling Rufus for pure stupidity.
Even in their wildest, hair-brained fantasies, not even Republicans claim that Alaskan oil will have any but a trivial effect on the price of gas. But what do you expect from JCH? If it doesn’t insult Jews, Blacks or Mexicans or it doesn’t have pictures of half-naked musclemen, he won’t read it.
Neocons are not only stupid.
They are lazy.
And ugly.
They will die out in the next 50 years.
The good news is: Autographs of Neocons will be worth their weight in Dinosaur bones!
The only evidence that Mary The Redneck has any brains at all is that, after I slapped every point he made into the seats, he had the good grace to give up.
ANWR = 99.9% pristine wilderness + 0.1% of a drop in the bucket of the end of cheap oil.
QED: Neocon Oil Salesmen are worth their weight in Canadian baby seal pelts!!!!
Bag your limit of Neocon Oil salesmen today and everyday!
Green thumb. The fact is that the federal government should not be in the welfare business at all. The federal government should also not be in the education, food stamp, healthcare, foreign aid, social security business either. The main purpose of the federal government should be national defense, printing of money and regulate interstate commerce. That is how I see it.
Tax Inheritance and Capital gains and Neocons will have to work for the first time.
Expect delays.
On everything.
Commentby Donnageddon— 4/18/06@ 9:13 pm
Hear, hear. (hicup) I secon….. wait what to hell am I saying!!!!
RUFUS!!!
“The main purpose of the federal government should be national defense, printing of money and regulate interstate commerce. That is how I see it.”
And during Republican Neocon administrations they EXCEL in printing MONEY!!!
They just PRINT PRINT PRINT money!!!!
Economy is GOOD!!! Look at all the money we printed!!!! Look at the Chinese and Saudis buy our DEBT!!!
Look at the Chinese and Saudis use their American dollars to BUY OUR Resources!!!!
HOORAH Chinese and Saudis Buying America’s DEBT!!!
HOORAH!! THe Neocons Selling our Country!!!
HOORAH!! The end of the middles class!!!
HOORAH!! You NEOCON TRAITORS!!!!
Dear People of the United States,
Although without Social Security and its surplus the Budget Deficit would be much worse, we are stopping the entire program because Rufus says so. We are also hereby reversing Bush Administration policy and radically decreasing Domestic Discretionary Spending, which the President and Republican Congress have increased faster than President Johnson and the Great Society program. Yes, compared to Johnson, Bush’s spending spree has produced nothing and most of the money has gone to waste and people who don’t need it. Still, we know you are all going to be pretty upset when we take that 300 Billion or so out of the budget. Still, we have to do what RUFUS says. Yes, he’s a complete fucking idiot who knows nothing about history or economics but he gets grouchy when he pays taxes and that’s the important thing.
Oh, or here’s another idea: We could tell him to go fuck himself.
Yeah, I thought you might pick that one.
Actually Donna if you print too much money you cause inflation. The printing of money to float the economy was tried in the late 70’s by Carter. We all know how that turned out.
NeoConMoneySwimmer @ 61 “The printing of money to float the economy was brought to a science in the second Bush administration.. and it caused an economic crisis that America never survived from…
italics mine
Inflation was so bad I had to water down my scotch.
We had to EAT OUR CHILDREN!!!! DEAR GOD!!!!
Swimmer, Carter didn’t print too much money — the Federal Reserve was the key player there. Indeed, Carter generated antipathy from Democrats in Congress (and a challenge by Ted Kennedy in the primaries) because he championed cuts in federal spending.
Carter also selected Paul Volcker — a rather zealous fiscal conservative — to head the Fed. That proved to be Carter’s undoing, because Volcker pushed interest rates to dangerously high levels, thereby plunging the economy into a deep recession.
It isn’t fair to blame Carter for the stagflation of the 1970s.
Let’s revue the economic genius of the Republi-trolls:
Mary the Redneck told us, quite correctly, that interest rates peaked during the Administration of the “worst President of the 10th Century”. Since Rates peaked in ’81, when Ronald Reagan was President, that is true. Except Mary thought it was Carter. Ah well, close.
Then he pointed out that during a time of unprecedented deficit spending we should expect tax revenues to go up. Of course this is well known. Of course he thinks it was all due to lowering taxes, because of the Magic Laffer Curve where when taxes go to zero, revenues go to infinity. Nobody names Laffer actually ever had this theory, but it is funny.
Rufus tells us that 300-400 Billion = 1.5 Trillion, but that’s pretty much whatwe’ve come to expect from him.
JCH, tells us that it’s all the Democrats’ fault that oil is expensive. Iraq, Iran and the deluge of instability that Bush has created apparently mean nothing. Okay, obviously all the oil traders are concerned with Iran, but JCH lives in a weird alternate reality.
If you think this is all really strange, welcome to the world of Republican economics.
And Regan reappointed Paul Volcker who served until 1987. He was an inflation hawk. And that is why the interest rates were raised during the Carter Administration.
Remember the “WIN” buttons during the Ford administration?
That stood for “WIP Inflation Now”
Ford had slogans. Carter had solutions.
Reagan reaped the rewards of Carter’s good sense.
dlaw,
You seem to still be around. Please explain why you attacked me.
Sorry, I meant “20th Century” not “10th Century”
I must have been thinking of the era the Pat Robertson social policy was developed.
Actually Green thumb it was Volker under Reagan who got us out of high inflation by adopting the monetarist approach of keeping the money supply stable. This caused the recession of 82/83. Reagan combated the recession through deregulation and a series of tax policies (ACRS). The combination of lower stable interest rates, tax cuts for capital expenditures (ACRS) and deregulation set the stage for the economic boom from late 84 through early 2000.
Geez, nuthin’ like saying “Reagan” or “Gingrich” to get a cesspool full of moonbats to froth at the mouth. Great entertainment.
Rewriting history is great:
Some of you denied the existence of $450 Billion dollars that came into fed treasury.
dlaw says Revenue = Deficit.
One of you forgot interest rates came down almost IMMEDIATELY when Reagan took office, apparently criticizing him for it taking a few months.
I got some great quotes though…
As I’ve mentioned before, I come to HA to plumb the depths of moonbat kookiness, just so I can get first hand experience what we’re up against. For some of you, the level of ignorance is absolutely stunning. dlaw, greenthumb and poon are textbook examples of moonbat economic ignorance. You guys ought to spend a few years at a university and get some that that there fancy book larnin’. Do ya world of good.
TJ, I didn’t see your italics.
This is not a world of subtle distinctions, make yourself clear.
-McGavick says he’ll balance the budget by cutting taxes-
Yeah – it worked so well for Reagan, and Bush 41/43. Just look at the chart!
http://zfacts.com/p/318.html
BUSH = WORST.PRESIDENT.EVER
BUSH SR = SECOND.WORST.PRESIDENT.EVER
Reagan = THIRD.WORST.PRESIDENT.EVER
Ford = FIRST.UNELECTED.PRESIDENT
Nixon = LAST.REPUBLICAN.PRESIDENT.WORTH.PISSING.ON.IF.ON.FIRE
MtR-
You’re the only one who’s rewriting history.
Arrogant dumbfuck.
It has been a bad week for the McGavick/Cheney/Ted Stevens campaign. And now a fundraising letter that affirms that while McGavicj buys TV spots that say he’ll change things, all anybody gets is more of the same GOP redmeat.
The McGavick campaign is turning into a huge joke. Even in a good year for the GOP people in this state would see through his bluff. This is shaping up to be a very bad year for the GOP. And the party in power in DC has earned it.
Mary The Redneck @ 71 “Geez, nuthin’ like saying “Reagan†or “Gingrich†to get a cesspool full of moonbats to froth at the mouth.”
Nothing like mentioning anything to get the wingnuts to blame it on Clinton.
MTR, what is your highest degree, where did you get it, and what year was it earned?
TJ, I didn’t see your italics.
This is not a world of subtle distinctions, make yourself clear.
They’re not subtle. You screwed up and don’t have the decency to apologize. Read more carefully.
Is that clear enough for you?
While you’re at it, MTR, what was the title and abstract of your thesis or dissertation? Who was your committee chair?
Mary @ 71
Look at the following website. It’s the Treasury, though, not your imagination so it may come as a bit of a shock.
http://www.fms.treas.gov/cvfr/index.html
You can also try this one, dickhead.
I didn’t deny the revenue, I just actually explained why it came about, whereas you have your head up your ass.
http://www.briefing.com/mornin.....rm_lbr.htm
Thumb – I have a whole fucking alphabet full of letters after my name. None would mean anything to a fucking idiot like you. You’re the worst kind of stoopid… too stoopid to know how stoopid he is…
Come on, MTR, let’s see your credentials. You have hung your arguments on your “advanced” knowledge of economics. How do we know you didn’t just make it all up?
Your arguments certainly sound like you’re bluffing.
-One of you forgot interest rates came down almost IMMEDIATELY when Reagan took office, apparently criticizing him for it taking a few months.-
Not hard to do after the Nixon/Ford/Carter stagflation years, MTR. But Reagan did it by mortgaging the next couple generations future. And your sheep herder – George W – just took a page out of the old Reagan handbook. Who cares about saddling our kids with immense debt, when the The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse can handle the problem for you!
At least Mark The Redneck is perfectly happy swimming in his cesspool of ignorance.
No dlaw… you said revenue came from deficits.
Here it is in your own words you fucking idiot.
“Show me proof that it was ONLY lower taxes and not VAST INCREASES IN DEFICIT SPENDING that raised revenue.”
Commentby dlaw— 4/18/06@ 8:18 pm
-Thumb – I have a whole fucking alphabet full of letters after my name. –
Ever notice how the people who actually do, never have to brag about it? Kinda like bragging about the size of your johnson…right, MTR?
Yeah, I bluff with facts…
Here’s the pedigree
Engineering
Business
International Business
Information Systems
MTR @ 82
Either
A) You’re lying.
B) School hasn’t made you any smarter.
At the very least, you can’t tell us why it was the tax cuts and NOT the deficit spending that created the revenue.
Because, of course, you can’t.
MTR is afraid to provide any meaningful information about his credentials because he doesn’t have any. I think we need to remind him of this any time he starts spouting off.
Lib, thumb, dlaw – When did you guys get your GED? Or did you even fucking bother with that?
Geez dlaw – I musta missed the class where deficits = revenue. Can you explain that one to me?
LMAO….
Do you ever see Bill Gates bragging about his wealth, or smarts?
C’mon, MTR, could you get any more pathetic? Most of the smart guys I know aren’t so dang desperate. Good thing you have the internet to hide behind – and a GREAT Walter Mitty complex!
Thank god Bill Weld ran that internet university so MTR could get all those degrees so quick (and so cheap!)
Mary The Redneck @ 85
1) I said the revenue was the result of deficit SPENDING DO YOU SEE THE WORD “SPENDING” SPENDING SPENDING SPENDING – you know what Reagan and Bush Jr. did FASTER THAN ALL OTHER PRESIDENTS
2) NO RATES DID NOT COME DOWN ALMOST IMMEDIATELY LOOK AT THE FUCKING CHARTS YOU MORON!!!!!!
Why is it that Republicans just try to lie and lie in the face of numbers?
MAry The Redneck
” have a whole fucking alphabet full of letters after my name. None would mean anything to a fucking idiot like you. You’re the worst kind of stoopid… too stoopid to know how stoopid he is…
Comment by Mark The Redneck — 4/18/06 @ 10:08 pm ”
It Goes Like This:
M-I-C-K-E-Y M-O-U-S-E
Mary, the only letters after your name that you wish for is:
GED
At best MTR has a master’s degree. I suspect that his thesis could be ripped to shreds by a credible, mainstream economist. That’s why he won’t tell us about it.
and before you answer dlaw… make REAL sure you know the difference between a balance sheet and income statement. Amateurs like you frequently get confused about them.
Mary @ 87
If you got these degrees, why can’t you READ A CHART?
Thank you for gracing us with your knowledge and presence, MTR. Along with all those advanced degrees, you have surely mastered the art of pursuasion. That “holier than thou / salt of the earth” persona really works for you!
What a joke.
Me, I’m a Rocket Surgeon, with a WHOLE BOATLOAD of letters after my name!
Wow, got some great additions tonight. So herewith the latest version of Moonbat Economic Theory:
Government exists to make private wealth possible.
Commentby Belltowner— 3/12/06@ 4:15 pm
I like Castro’s system better. He confiscates the employer’s property, shoots the employer, and the workers get quality health care for free. We need something like that in America.
Commentby Roger Rabbit— 3/19/06@ 3:42 pm
…the oil industry is a zero sum game ( like checkers )
Commentby headless lucy— 4/9/06@ 2:56 pm
“…higher PRODUCTIVITY means fewer jobs…”
Commentby Donnageddon— 4/9/06@ 4:06 pm
“Most wealthy people inherited their wealth and haven’t worked a day in their lives…”
Commentby headless lucy— 4/13/06@ 5:14 pm
..Corporate profits are driven by the cheap labor binge. Corporate executives, board members and their lackeys have rewarded themselves hugely.
Commentby For the Clueless— 4/15/06@ 12:12 pm
America has been reduced to an oil for paper trade.
Commentby For the Clueless— 4/15/06@ 1:05 pm
…The only way to battle the oil-paper-land casino is to opt out of it through micro-capitalism, localized production and consumption…
Commentby For the Clueless— 4/15/06@ 4:21 pm
The rich people who get all these tax breaks lend us that money back in the form of government bonds that they buy and that we have to repay them at interest.
This is not investing in the economy. It’s a double jeopardy rip-off!
Commentby harry poon— 4/18/06@ 8:21 pm
…I said the revenue was the result of deficit SPENDING DO YOU SEE THE WORD “SPENDING” SPENDING SPENDING SPENDING…
Commentby dlaw— 4/18/06@ 10:17 pm
Lets revisit:
JCH is a codger close to death living in Kent, but dreams he was “retired at 50, wealthy, living in Hawaii”
RUFUS is a dishwasher at a truckstop in Yelm
Mary the Redneck is a “sanitation engineer” living with his parents trailer in Lynnwood.
Applause for our Neocon Symp patrol!!!
Priceless… fucking priceless
LMAO
Thanks guys
Notice that MTR still hasn’t provided his credentials. He hasn’t because he knows the game is up if he does.
The only startling thing is : why do these idiots support a facist regime that fucks them over every single day?
It is like asking a sadist why they have a relationship with a masochist.
Their answer is always : “Beats me!”
Moron The Redneck
SPENDING goes into economy, increasing net demand and employment, creating income. Income is taxed. Government revenues go up.
It’s called KEYNESIAN ECONOMICS.
Moron
@ 103 Mary The Redneck has only one credential: LOSER… working on a GED.
I got my multiple Rocket Surgeon degrees from a CrackerJack box, just like MTR!
Well got to hit the sack. Hey Donna stay the same, dont start being productive because it will cost hehehehehehehe jobs hahaha
hahahahahahahahahahaha.
Mary The Redneck is an absolute fraud.
There is NO ECONOMIC MODEL under which increased government spending does not create increased government REVENUE. Of course REVENUE DOES NOT KEEP UP WITH SPENDING AND THAT’S WHY THERE ARE DEFICITS. Of course this is exactly what we saw with Reagan and exactly what we see with Bush Jr.
He simply has to be lying about his degrees because anybody who even reads the Wall Street Journal can tell you that increased government spending will mean increased REVENUE, but with deficits.
Mary can’t tell you that, because he does not understand anything about economics except foolish propoganda.
Night RUFUS.. Get a real job! Quit living off the WaGOP Troll checks!
-Notice that MTR still hasn’t provided his credentials. He hasn’t because he knows the game is up if he does. –
Let the poor sap have his dreams, guys.
I mean, MTR is a ‘conservative’ who spends his days apologizing for and defending ‘borrow and spend’ economic policies, selling cheap Chinese goods at Walmart (that’s a sustainable ‘patriotic’ model!), and pointless wars based on lies….the guy has to have SOMETHING useful to believe in!
Don’t worry, MTR. We’ll pray for your sorry ass tonight. Oh, and the gays.
I have got to say you are one of the special donks Donna. hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
You are better than the dice man.
Did I mention Reagan signed The Immigration Control and Reform Act of 1986, granting unprecedented amnesty to aliens who had resided in the United States since before 1982?
Forget what I said earlier RUFUS… Take all the WaGOP Troll checks you can!!!
I love seeing the GOP throw their money away.
MTR is frustrating to debate because he doesn’t know how to do it. If he earned a master’s degree then it had to be in a technical area, e.g., engineering. Even mediocre schools of economics wouldn’t graduate (at least at the master’s level) a guy with the inability to make a coherent and well-grounded argument.
Vagina Lips, you’re too stupid for words. Tax revenue doubled under Reagan? Like so fucking what. You make an essentially meaningless assertion. Look:
1.) Reagan raised taxes EIGHT FUCKING times. The Social Security “reform” was one of the biggest tax increases in history.
2.) You are using nominal increases, not real, inflation adjusted numbers.
3.) Reagan was in office for 8 years. That’s eight years for population and economic growth. Controlling for these factors does not lead to a revenue growth that is anything out of the ordinary. Do the fucking math.
Gawd. What a marooooon!
Liberal @ 113
Bravo! I forgot that Bush’s Illegal Alien Importation Plan has precedent with Reagan.
Deficit Spending and Cheal Foreign labor at home and abroad – the proud Republican legacy.
Hey! Vagina Lips! Don’t forget you’re the one who asserted with great certainty that the prices of “all” commodities (yes, you asserted “all”) were set by a bunch of guys sitting in a room figuring out where on the demand curve revenue maximization occurred. I guess we can dispense with MC=MR now.
One of the most ignorant statements regarding markets I have ever seen.
MTR:
You say tax revenues doubled during Reagan’s tenure. What are the actual numbers and what is your source?
Are your numbers adjusted for inflation? How does the increase compare to Clinton’s tenure?
If you can’t or won’t answer, you prove you are full of crap.
Too bad. Looks like we drove off that Mark The Redneck clown. The poor chap needs to spend some quality time over at his Sound Politics echo chamber. Or, he just went back into his mansion on the hill, what, with all those gold plated Bentleys (complete with modified gun racks) out front, the staff of seventeen, and the leather and brass-clad den, where he keeps all all those “pedigreed” certificates of accomplishment.
I, for one, feel quite honored to have even been in the virtual presence of this enlightened (yet clueless sheep-like!) redneck.
Thank you, horsesass!
Reagan:
Federal tax receipts, 1981: $600 billion
Federal tax receipts, 1988: $903 billion
Clinton:
Federal tax receipts, 1993: $1.15 trillion
Federal tax receipts, 2000: $2.02 trillion
-Are your numbers adjusted for inflation? How does the increase compare to Clinton’s tenure?-
The chart I linked to was adjusted to inflation. And the results are obvious: Republicans pay for their spending sprees with a BIG FAT magical credit card.
At least the Democrats are honest enough to pay for their programs with actual REVENUES. The one thing GOP lackies like MTR always forget to factor in is the debt service paid for by future generations for their brilliant “free market” principles.
It doesn’t take much common sense (or a bunch of fake degrees from OnlineU) to figure out which side is right when it comes to macro economics…unless you’re the blind village idiot, of course.
MTR ran away with his tail between his legs…as usual.
LR at 121:
THAT’S what I’m talking about!
I love it when the Neocons start calling Democrats “Tax and Spend”.
There is NO responsible way to pay for a budget than “Tax and Spend”.
Republicans want to “Spend and Borrow” and call them selves fiscally responsible.
Republicans are like your unemployed brother-in-law, they want you to loan them money so they can feel rich!
REPUBLICANS = FREELOADERS OFF OF OUR CHILDREN
Looks like all the media have picked up on Stefan’s background investigation into Darcy Burner.
Burner is still calling herself a “former Microsoft executive” on her campaign website.
However, both the Seattle Times and Seattle P-I are calling Burner a mere “manager”.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.c.....rt19e.html
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/.....ert19.html
In sharp contrast to the two Darcy Burner/MANAGER articles appearing in our local dailies for April 19, 2006, both the Seattle Times and Seattle P-I were calling Burner a former Microsoft EXECUTIVE as recently as April 5, 2006:
http://archives.seattletimes.n.....+executive
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/.....rchdiff=15
GOOD WORK STEFAN! :)
Richard Pope,
In a city of sad, petty people this has got to be one of the saddest, most petty “attacks” I’ve ever seen. I’ll bet she earned more than you, dickhead.
I think JCH is in Pasco, actually.
Richard, are your attacks against Burner coordinated in any fashion with the Reichart campaign or any affiliated groups? Are you being paid for your work? If so, how much, who is paying you, and what kind of contract do you have? Most importantly, what do you see as your ethical responsibility to act in a fair and accurate way?
These questions will not go away any faster than the ones you are raising about Burner. Would you care to “get in front” of them early, or watch them simmer to a boil?
Show us you practice what you preach.
Next thing you know, I will be accusing Michael Burner (Darcy’s husband) of speeding through school zones!
Great team for “family values”.
King County District Court, East Division
Case No. I00027305 SQL
Violation Date: 06/01/2004
Fine: $177.00
Defendant: Michael Gerard Burner, DOB: 07/08/1960
Lawyering business pretty slow now huh, too bad.
Looks like Teddie and Alaska have meddled where they don’t belong once too many times. This should make Goldy feel good.
From the Letters to the Editor in the PI today…
We don’t want Alaska senator in charge of us
Before Ted Stevens’ visit to Seattle, I was determined to vote against Sen. Maria Cantwell because of her support of this ridiculous Iraq war.
Now Stevens has come here and wants to control Washington state affairs. That did it: I’m voting for Cantwell. I don’t want Stevens to get the idea he controls our state. If Mike McGavick gets elected, he will owe Stevens big time. Who wants that?
George H. Murray Jr.
Edmonds
Another one bites the dust. The righties are falling like flies.
That lying piece of shit and noted Taliban supporter the presendential pr flake resigned. Good riddance. The search is now on for another good liar.
To Swimmer at 61:
Gee, why is it Republicans can’t seem to keep the cause and effect straight?
Clinton didn’t start the modern cycle of inflation. It’s roots lie in the late 1960’s, when we tried to do three things at once: fund the Vietnam war, start the Great Society program, and win the Space Race, all without raising taxes. In fact, taxes had already been reduced from their highest rates. (Reagan’s rants against taxes were based on his memories of the high post-WWII tax rates he had to pay as an actor, although those taxes had been reduced long before he took office). The mistake of Johnson AND NIXON
DANG – HIT THE WRONG BUTTON. to continue:
the mistake of Johnson AND NIXON was that they didn’t RAISE TAXES to pay for the war effort, because they felt it would be too unpopular and would increase the calls to bring the soldiers home from Vietnam. Thus: Inflation.
Remember the WIN buttons from the Ford Administration? (Whip Inflation Now). He thought if the unions didn’t ask for wage increases to keep up with inflation, it would stop inflation. Didn’t work.
So Carter inherits an infationary economy, at the same time as the military is being re-organized from the bottom up, and we are paying for the cost of the Vietnam war but the space race and immediate Vietnam War spending is over, so there are recessionary pressures. Inflation continues to rise, mostly because of the increase in oil prices due to the Arab oil embargo, but not because of Clinton’s spending. In fact, Clinton cut the overhead to the point that even the Reagan administration later complained. Clinton charged guests at the white house for the cost of breakfast served at meetings. When Stockman became budget director, the first thing he complained about was how dirty the offices were, because cleaning services had been cut back to once a month. Republicans even campained against Clinton for cancelling the B1 project, even though they knew from intelligence briefings that the Stealth project was making the B1 obsolete before it was even built.
So Clinton gets a bad rap from the Republicans as having caused the problem, but he was the one who took the political heat for making the cuts which would have resulted in a second-term economic recovery, if he had been re-elected.
Instead, the Republicans (who campaigned hard on reducing the deficit and fiscal responsibility) cut taxes and actually increased spending overall. At its high point one-fourth of the federal budget was going toward interest payments on debt, much of it to foreign investors purchasing our treasury certificates at 10%+ interest rates.
Yet Reagan takes credit for the recovery, but Bush I and Clinton had to pay for it with tax increases.
If I borrow enough money and count it as revenue, I can look like I’m doing pretty well too. I guess I can let my kids pay for it later?
rhp
In your 3rd and 4th paragraps above, you meant to say “Carter” rather than “Clinton”, am I right?
(I meant to say “paragraph”.)
Federal Income Tax cuts during times of deficits aren’t tax cuts at all – they are merely cowardly tax deferments to future generations who currently have no say in the matter.