Powerfully White Open Thread

Hey…only a “half-glass empty” kind of person would claim that the GOP front-runners are afraid of black voters. They prefer to think of themselves as Powerfully White:

(This and about 50 more of the best audio and video political clips from the week are posted at Hominid Views.)


  1. 1

    New Pet Owner spews:

    Since it is an open thread…

    Hi Roger – my girl just got a pet bunny. What the heck am I supposed to do with this thing?

  2. 3

    2nd Amendment Democrat spews:

    Regarding the rabbit as a pet. Rabbits are trainable. They can be house broke and can be walked while on a leash (body harnass style). They love to chew. Chewing distruction can be limited with adjustments in their diet. Is “the girl” a child? If so I recommend enrolling in a 4H program. Rabbits are gentle and loving, but they can bite and scratch. Have fun !!!! If the rabbit is old and mean like Roger— there are a million meals designed from rabbits as the main course.

  3. 4

    My Left Foot spews:

    And Puddy is going to happily make his mark next to one of these guys. A white who did not have time to talk to a group of black men and women.

    Puddy, as a black man in today’s society, how does it feel to be shunned and ignored by your heroes?

    Just askin’….

    ‘Nuff said!

  4. 7

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @5 Mother Goose once said you can judge a rabbit’s character by who his enemies are.


    P.S., didn’t your mothers teach you to clean up your slime trails?

  5. 8

    Piper Scott spews:

    On things electoral…

    In an effort to fine-tune my take on the Hague-Pope race, I consulted an astute Eastside observer of all things political, asking this person to handicap the race. Here’s what the Eastside pundit said:

    “Hague wins. It would have been 70 – 30 with only the one PDC problem that all insiders knew was out there. With DUI, college, firefighters its tough but she wins because its Pope. People who would have voted for Jane just won’t vote. I think her biggest liability is the court case. Suppressing breathalyzer evidence is standard in DUI cases and you can’t believe how lenient some District Court judges are regarding that. However, its going to look rotten when they write about it in the paper as in Friday’s Times.

    Still I think she wins comfortably. I think the question is where to set the over/under. I would not bet under 55% and think it would be closer to 60% but I wouldn’t bet over 60%.

    My advice is take any money against Pope winning. Jane will likely end up at the 58% level or a little higher. Its all about the fall off and Jane’s problems do not translate into votes for Pope.”

    Too many HA regulars think that a non-vote for one candidate is a vote for the other. Not true…it’s simply a non-vote.

    As an Eastside former office holder (I’ve used this quote before) said in The Times, “Her margin of victory won’t be as large.”

    Face it, people: Richard Pope isn’t a serious candidate, nor is he a candidate regarded seriously by…ANYONE (save a meager few of you). He will lose!

    Just because he won a poorly participated in primary against a write-in means bupkis! He will lose!

    BTW…his entertainment value is wearing thin…Once you’ve played the Redpath Circuit or done your schtick in all the Chautauqua Tents, you have to come up with a new act; we’ve heard all the songs and jokes before, and they’re getting stale.

    But…he’s YOUR candidate…Just don’t say I didn’t warn you.

    The Piper

  6. 9

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @3 Rules For The Care And Feeding Of Rabbits

    1. Feed rabbit a large portion of fresh, clean, washed, organic, pesticide-free LETTUCE and CARROTS twelve times daily.

    2. Don’t worry about rabbit pellets; they’re dry and don’t stain, just sweep or vacuum them up when the pile exceeds six inches in depth.

    3. Rabbits appreciate lots of hugging, squeezing, and fondling.

    4. Do not stick your fingers in rabbit’s mouth.


  7. 10

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @3 “If the rabbit is old and mean like Roger”

    WTF did you expect? I used to be a Republican, and still behave like one.

  8. 11

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @8 You’ve called it correctly; Pope will get his customary 42%. (Reminder: Which is more than your party’s candidates for U.S. Senator and King County Executive got!!) After the dust settles, Hague and her supporters will jump up and down whooping, “we won! we won!” And it will never occur to them that getting only 58% against Pope is a humiliation, not a victory. If Hague gets only 58% against Richard, she should commit seppeku.

  9. 12

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @8 (Continued) And for the next four years, Hague will have to sit stone-faced at the county council table, knowing that she barely eked out re-election against RICHARD POPE.

    Reminds me of a story I heard years ago about a Chicago alderman. A group of college students ran a jackass against him. The jackass won. The alderman got a court to throw out the results by getting the judge to interpret the law as reading that you have to be human to serve, and thereby retained his seat, but for the next four years he had to serve knowing (and everyone else knowing) the voters preferred the jackass to him.

    Substitute “county councilwoman” for “alderman” and “jackass” for “Richard Pope” and you’ve got the picture.

  10. 13

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @8 (Continued) Of course, turnabout is fair play, and Gregoire is fair game, too. There’s no denying the fact that she defeated the jackass who ran against her by a good deal less than 58%. Go ahead, pubbies — have fun with it.

  11. 15


    Piper: You just don’t get it. Few voters will know anything about either candidate. And with Republicans being swept out of office, Richard Pope will just be riding in on the wave.


    My wife, who is pretty politically aware, is voting for Pope because of the D. next to his name and the fact that he doesn’t drink too much and then yell at the nice police officer — who’s only doing his job — for heaven’s sake!

  12. 18

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    2008 Will Be A Two-Way Race

    Yeah, yeah, I know what some of you trollfucks will say: “Roger has been out in the farm fields the last two weeks and has no idea WTF is going on — he hasn’t heard of Michael Bloomberg!”

    Well, I have news for you rightys: I’ve heard of Mayor Billionaire … and, like I said, 2008 will be a 2-way race — between a Democrat and a Republican. Whether Monsieur Blowhard runs, or not, is irrelevant.

    No doubt Bloomberg fancies himself as some sort of 21st-century, Wall-Street, version of Perot. There are several problems with this scenario. First of all, he isn’t running against Bill Clinton. Second, he doesn’t have Perot’s Alfred E. Neuman looks, which was an essential ingredient in Perot’s impressive 20% showing, because if an independent presidential candidate can’t distract voters by LOOKING ridiculous, they’ll get to thinking about him and realize he IS ridiculous! Third, Bloomberg is a sleazy opportunist who stands for nothing except Michael Bloomberg’s career advancement. For years and years, he called himself a “Democrat” because he lived in a city where everyone else is a Democrat, then he told people he was a “Republican” when he thought it was a convenient way to get some traction, but now that being known as a “Republican” is out of favor he’s decided that he’s not a “Republican” anymore. Who the hell would trust a guy like that?!

    But let’s say Mayor Billionaire is suffering from a hankering to take a White House fling that, to him, is as irresistable as his opinion of himself. What will happen? I’ll tell you what will happen. He will immediately become known as the Anti-Woman Candidate. And all the women will vote against him.

    That’s right, Monsieur Blowhard’s company, Bloomberg LLP, is a veritable job factory for lawyers specializing in sexual discrimination lawsuits. Read all about it here:


    Here’s a sample:

    “NEW YORK (AP) – The three women at the center of a lawsuit filed by the federal government against Bloomberg LP are not the first to accuse the financial information company founded by Mayor Michael Bloomberg of discrimination. A separate suit was recently filed … by another woman who said she also experienced discrimination based on her pregnancy and maternity leave ….

    “Monica Prestia … claim[s] … after she became pregnant … [t]he company treated her differently than similarly employed male workers and subjected her to ‘harassment, hostile work environment and other forms of discrimination,’ the complaint said. …

    “On Thursday, the EEOC accused the New York-based company of … engag[ing] in a pattern of demoting women, iminishing their duties and excluding them from job opportunities after they disclosed they were pregnant. … The agency brought the suit on behalf of three senior employees who had filed complaints with the EEOC ….

    “The EEOC said the women’s claims of discrimination due to gender and pregnancy ‘were echoed by a number of other female current and former employees who have taken maternity leave.’

    “Richard Roth, an attorney …, said in an interview Friday that the EEOC complaint ‘helps expose what’s really going on behind the scenes at Bloomberg.’ It is a culture that Michael Bloomberg, who is a potential presidential candidate, was accused of fostering while he headed the company. … While Bloomberg was CEO, a female sales executive accused him in a lawsuit of sexual harassment and other claims similar to these new allegations. The suit … claimed that he and other male managers displayed a discriminatory attitude toward pregnant women and new mothers. It said that when he found out [she] was pregnant, he told her ‘Kill it!’ and said ‘Great! Number 16!’ – an apparent reference to the number of women in the company who were pregnant or had maternity-related status at the time. It also claimed Bloomberg and other men at the company made ‘repeated and unwelcome’ sexual comments, overtures and gestures, contributing to an offensive, locker-room environment.”

    Quoted under fair use; for complete story and/or copyright info, see link above.

    Roger Rabbit Commentary: If Bloomberg mounts an independent candidacy — and I predict he will not — his campaign will hit a brick wall. The brick wall being, of course, his shitty attitude toward pregnant women and mothers. That won’t play so good on Main Street when the truth about this chauvinist flip-flopper comes out. Neither will his indecision about which party he belongs to. I say the blowhard billionaire is a non-starter. He’s got several millstones around his neck, not the least of which is a lack of any party organization or supporter base, and when the public finds out what an asshole he is, his grandiose aspirations will sink like a rock thrown into the proverbial millpond.

  13. 21

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @16 You wingnuts don’t own the military nearly as much as you think you do. I’m just waiting for all the soldiers you’ve abused to turn on you. They will. Wait and see.

  14. 22

    Piper Scott spews:


    Of course, the people who vote based upon the last letter in the candidate’s name (hyphen R, or hyphen D) will continue to do that…that’s not news nor is it new.

    But to claim that some Popeian groundswell exists out there? SC…what do you put in your tea each morning???

    This election isn’t about Iraq or Mark Foley, the last one was, and I don’t mind acknowledging that. My astute Eastside observer friend nails it: Hague by ~58%.

    As Chuck Knox used to say, “A win is a win is a win…”

    I’ve consulted other Pros-From-Dover types on the Eastide who sit on both sides of the elected aisle, and they all concur: Pope hasn’t got a chance in the world.

    If it’s all about name familiarity, the incumbent has it hands down. For Pope, he should stick to the entertainment pages, for that’s all his candidacy is.

    Hmmm…Here’s a thought! He might be able to morph his political aspirations and career into either a Fox Network sitcom or a feature film along the lines of 40-Year Old Virgin, Knocked Up, or the American Pie series.

    Speaking of riding in on waves like last November’s…what office does Eastsider Darcy Burner hold?

    The Piper

  15. 23


    Not all conservatives are stupid, but almost all stupid people are conservative.

    Hence, your Republican presidential candidate debates sound as if the candidates are addressing their answers to aggressive, hostile morons.

    You’ve got the moron and goober vote locked up! Great work!

  16. 24

    K spews:

    THe reality is that it is extremely rare for an incumbent KC Councilmember to lose in the general election. Most recent incumbent loses have been in the primaries (Sullivan/Ferguson, Hammond/Dunn)

  17. 25



    Heard about Norman Hsu? Bet you haven’t heard about this guy:

    Romney fund-raiser quits after indictment
    Given the disparate media coverage of Norman Hsu and Alan Fabian, you probably know who Hsu is. But by now, you’re probably wondering who Alan Fabian is. Alan Fabian was a Romney bundler until his recent indictment on 23 counts of fraud, money laundering, perjury, and obstruction of justice.

  18. 26

    Piper Scott spews:


    True…Although Bob Ferguson also beat the pathetically incompetent Carolyn Edmonds in a primary as well as Cynthia Sullivan. But Reagan Dunn has just hired Steve Hammond to advise him on rural land use issues.

    Here’s a thought…of what value is the KC Council? Given that the state is pushing hard for all urbanized areas in unincorporated King County to affliate with cities (I live in a Kirkland proposed annexation area, for example) aside from Metro (the transportation portion of which should be folded into a regional transportation authority…See Mossback’s article in today’s Crosscut.com) and some sports stadia, what’s left?

    Has the KCC run its course? Is it time to bid it adieu and send it the way of the Interstate Commerce Commission?

    The Piper

  19. 27

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    How ConAgra Cons You

    Thank the Mother Rabbit Spirit that I don’t have to live on human food!

    One of Republicans’ favorite activities is touting the glories of (unregulated) free enterprise. Let’s do a reality check and see how their economic model actually works.

    I’ve got in front of me a 14.5 oz. (411 grams) can of Chef Boyardee Spaghetti and Jumbo Meatballs. (Note these figures; they’re significant, and will be discussed further below.)

    The splashy color label shows a meatball the size of a beach ball reposing atop strands of spaghetti coated in tomaty sauce. Prominently displayed next to the Godzilla Meatball is the blurb, “MEATBALLS TWICE THE SIZE!”

    Although I’m not sure, the can looks like it might be tapered, i.e., narrower at the bottom. In any case, this kind of product used to come in one-pound cans, and the reduction in size amounts to a 9.375% price increase — a sneaky one you’re not supposed to notice. Another purpose of the odd can size is to keep you from price-shopping by making it difficult to compare the unit cost of the product with other brands.

    On the back, the label says, “Serv. size 1 cup (255g) Servings About 2.” But according to my calculator, 411g / 255g is 1.611 servings, not 2 servings. Of course, you’re not supposed to do this calculation, and ConAgra hopes you’ll only read the “2 servings” and not notice they’re lying to the tune of shorting you by 19.4% of the promised “2 servings.”

    Now let’s check out the ingredients. The label has a lengthy list of ingredients which is printed in black against a red background to make it difficult to read. In a moment, you’ll realize why ConAgra doesn’t want you to read what’s in the can.

    “Ingredients: Tomatoes (water, tomato puree), meatballs (beef, pork, water, crackermeal [wheat flour, niacin, iron, thiamine mononitrate (Vitamin B1), riboflavin (Vitamin B2) and folic acid], textured vegetable protein [soy protein concentrate and caramel color], …”

    (There’s more ingredients, but this excerpt is adequate for our purposes here.)

    The first thing you should notice, of course, is that the so-called “jumbo meatballs” are made of a lot of stuff besides hamburger. The “meatballs” contain, among other things, “crackermeal” (aka wheat filler) and “textured vegetable protein” (aka soy, the stuff they make fake meat from for the vegetarian market). Also pork. By now you should be getting the idea that any assumption you made about the “jumbo meatballs” being made from hamburger is probably 90% wrong! The “meatballs” are mostly pork, soy, and the grain they make bread from.

    They don’t tell you what proportions of these ingredients the “jumbo meatballs” come from. Nor do they tell you WHERE these ingredients — the ones they’ll admit to — come from. Now, to be fair to ConAgra, I’m not saying there’s antifreeze or rat meat or other unlisted ingredients in their “meatballs.” No, all I’m saying is that, ACCORDING TO THEIR OWN LABEL, the “meatballs” are mostly “balls” and not much “meat.”

    There was a time in this country when people believed bosses and shareholders deserved their position and wealth because they succeeded in competitive markets by selling better products at lower prices. That notion probably has always been bullshit, but never more so than today. I’m not singling out ConAgra; they’re exactly like almost every other company doing business in the so-called “free market”: They make money by CHEATING THE CUSTOMER.

    That, my friends, is the point of this post. The “free enterprise” system does NOT automatically produce better mousetraps or lower prices. Left to itself, it’s more likely to produce deceptive advertising and labeling, and adulterated products. Most of the people running corporations don’t know how to make products better or production more efficient; in today’s economy, managers get hired and promoted because they’re highly skilled in coming up with inventive ways to CHEAT THE CUSTOMER.

    And that’s in a REGULATED CAPITALISM system under which the law requires you to tell consumers what’s in the can and imposes legal sanctions for lying about how much the contents weigh or what’s in them.

    Imagine what would happen without that regulation. If you think you’re being cheated now, you ain’t seen nuthin’ compared to what would happen IF THERE WAS NO REGULATION.

    But that’s what wingnuts want — no consumer protection laws, no product labeling laws, no weights and measures laws, no regulation of what greedy businesses can put into the food they sell you. These are all LIBERAL concepts, and they hate them all! They want a free hand to sell you the kind of shit that’s coming out of China, antifreeze and all.

    But wait! That’s not all wingnuts want! They also want to take away your right to SUE them for lying to you about what’s in the can, even if their adulaterated product kills you! They not only want no regulation, they want absolute total legal immunity.

    Now think about this. Management’s duty is to make money for the corporation’s shareholders. They have a legally-enforceable fiduciary duty to put profit above everything else. So, if there are no labeling and product laws to comply with, the already widespread practice of CHEATING CUSTOMERS in our regulated marketplace under liberal-enacted laws will be elevated to the status of a legal duty! They will cheat you because the law requires them to, and they’d face legal sanctions if they didn’t! A senior business executive in the toy industry wouldn’t be doing his job if he didn’t meet his quota of dead babies! A CEO in the food processing industry would get fired by the board of directors and sued by the shareholders if none of the consumers who bought his company’s products ever got sick! Business schools would teach courses called “Deceptive Labeling 101″ and “Advanced Product Adulteration” alongside “Business Law: Your Duty to Rob Customers”.

    That’s what a Wingnut World would look like. So, the next time you hear a wingnut bashing liberals, just remember, we liberals are the only thing standing between you and Wingnut World. When you vote, think about how little of a “meatball” is actually meat in a capitalist economy regulated by liberals, and then think about what that “meatball” would be made of in a capitalist economy with no regulation and no legal liability.

    Think “rat meat” and “saw dust” because that’s what wingnuts will sell you if they can get away with it. In fact, their fiduciary duty to their shareholders will require them to do it.

  20. 28

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    So, the next time a troll indulges in liberal-bashing, just think about sawdust-and-antifreeze meatballs, because that’s what the troll is really promoting.

  21. 29

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @23 This country needs a Republican Party to put the morons and goobers in, because we sure as hell don’t want them in the Democratic Party.

  22. 31

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @26 Whoopdedoop — is Reagan Dunn too stupid to figure out land use issues for himself?

    Land use regulation isn’t hard to figure out if you’re a Republican — you’re against it! Developers should be allowed to denudge hillsides and build homes on unstable slopes. Loggers should be allowed to cut every living tree on the planet. Farmers should not have to build fences to keep their cows out of salmon spawning streams, or if they are required to do so, taxpayers should reimburse them for the cost of protecting publicly-owned streams from damage by privately owned cows!

    What the hell does Dunn need Steve Hammond for? Should he suffer momentary confusion about what the wingnut position on land use is, all he has to do is pick up the phone and ask Dino Rossi for advice.

    And if your new home just slid down a cliff into a salmon creek, and the people who sold it to you went bankrupt, Rossi can fix you up with another shoddy builder and another subprime lender, and he’ll handle the closing himself.

  23. 33

    Mick spews:

    MAHMUDIYA, Iraq — On bases big and small south of Baghdad, the scrambled reality of war has become routine: an unending loop of anxious driving in armored Humvees, gallons of Gatorade, laughter at the absurd and 4 a.m. raids into intimate Iraqi bedrooms.

    This is Iraq for the 3,300 soldiers of the 10th Mountain Division’s Second Brigade, and many have bitterly come to the realization that it now feels more like home than home will.

    No other brigade in the Army has spent more days deployed since Sept. 11, 2001. And with only a few weeks to go before ending their 15-month tour, the soldiers here are eager to go. But they are also nervous about what their minds will carry back given the psychic toll of war day after day and the prospect of additional tours.

    Heartache can be heard in the quiet voice of Specialist Gerald Barranco-Oro, who at 22 is on his second tour of Iraq and will leave for home without two close friends who were killed May 19.

    There are other losses, too: for fathers like Staff Sgt. Kirk Ray, 25, whose 2-year-old daughter screams when he calls because “she doesn’t know who I am”; and for those who must detach to keep going, like Specialist Jesse Herb, 20, who casually mentioned recently that the ceiling above his bed was dented with the bone fragments of a lieutenant who shot and killed himself there a few months ago.

    “Every day I wake up,” he said, “I see little pieces of his head.”

  24. 34

    K spews:


    I can give a litany of criticisms to the KCC, so do not confuse the following with a defense.

    There are some regional functions they SHOULD pay more attention to. Waste water and transit, the former Metro functions are two. Solid waste and regional justice (Courts, Jails, Cops and Prosecutors) are two more. There is a need for some rational land use planning in the unincorporated areas. While their population is small, the area is large. Our transportation planning is a mess, municipal, county and state responsibility for various roads.

  25. 36

    Piper Scott spews:


    Take transportation, law enforcement, courts and jail, and elections (soon, with I-25) out from under the jurisdiction of the KCC, and what you have left is a glorified utility district.

    I’m becoming ever more convinced that there’s a need for a regional transportation authority with decision making and revenue raising authority for all forms of transportation from, say, Olympia north to Mount Vernon. Aside from those areas exclusively within federal jurisdiction, all roads, transit, ferries (should be privatized, BTW), bridges, viaducts, streets, Boeing Field, and the whole ball of wax should be under the authority of ONE ELECTED AUTHORITY accountable to the people for transportation issues and transportation issues only. I came to this conclusion during an ongoing discussion I’ve had with a good friend of mine who’s a DEMOCRATIC member of the State House of Representatives.

    You’re right…transportation planning is a mess. A huge reason is overlapping and competing jurisdictions, agencies, authorities, councils, and more. It’s a Balkanized mess of petty despots all clammoring for more of the pie just for themselves. Reminds me of Italy before Garibaldi.

    BTW…Mossback over at Crosscut.com today seems to side with this POV.

    James Vesely wrote a long piece in The Times a couple, three months ago about the transporation mess, and it’s worth a read. Additionally, nearly every in-depth assessment of transportation in this region reads like a Kafkaesque nightmare of confusion and conflict. Time to toss that baby out with its stinky bathwater.

    I-25 will take elections out from under the KCC and KC Executive, but something will have to be done with what’s been disclosed as a sorry and inhumane mess concerning animal shelters, which full under the authority of guess who? King County Records and Elections (technically, King County Records, Elections, and Licensing Services Division)…That office has taken the “fun” out of dysfunctional.

    Stick the jails under the Sheriff’s office for budgeting and personnel purposes (unless these functions are already there), and the courts as a semi-autonomous entity.

    After the county-wide annexation process is complete, and the urban areas of uninc King County are parts of cities, what will be left is only the rural areas and the utility portion of Metro. Do we need a nine-member council just for that?

    Also…have the people been well served by the structure as is? Or have we experienced chaos in elections, transportation insanity irrespective of whether your pro or con on St, an overweening and burdensome bureaucracy (let me tell you sometime how King County literally looted my bank account by debiting it for amounts more than twice what I had written checks for when paying my property taxes), and more.

    For this we pay??? Through the nose???

    Time for a change…

    The Piper

  26. 37

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Roger Rabbit Quiz

    “‘The Democrats will continue to be the majority party in the House and Senate and Hillary Clinton will make history by being the first woman president’ in 2008, predicts Rep. Ray LaHood.” http://tinyurl.com/33f4go

    Which party does LaHood belong to?

    [ ] 1. Democratic Party
    [ ] 2. Republican Party
    [ ] 3. Libertarian Party
    [ ] 4. Green Party
    [ ] 5. Socialist Party

    Wingnuts — go ahead, cheat! Look him up on Wikipedia.

  27. 38

    K spews:


    I do not argue the current system is the best, or eve nvery good. Look at the next ballot at all the “governments” out there. Do we really need so many jurisdictions? THere’s plenty of public money going to support these beasts.

    I also would not defend current political boundaries as making for best government.

    Water flows down hill. THe Wastewater functions serve far north into the North Creek basin, yet Sno. Co. residents have no significant voice in policy direction. Transportation is even worse. We have roads going in ant out of various jurisdictions.

    So I agree the current system is seriously flawed.

    I disagree that more elected offices are the answer. I do not think Elections and Sheriff should be separately elected. Have an executive and hold them responsible. I also lean toward making the offices non-partisan at the county level. Lean, but an not entirely certain. We see the current Council ossified with members re-elected because of their party (likely result in the Hague-Pope race).

  28. 39

    Right Stuff spews:

    Nice rant.
    And you make the point FOR a free market…..
    You have the choice NOT to buy that product. Unlike a socialist, government operation in which you have no choice..

    Thanks for validating the capitalistic system Roger.

  29. 40

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @38 I can think of one that doesn’t need our tax money — Port of Seattle. Why does Seattle have the only major west coast port that’s losing money and needs taxpayer support?

  30. 41

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @39 Feel free to buy the competitor’s product. They don’t want you to read the label, either. So, okay, now go ahead and make the case for:

    Not requiring labeling
    Repealing laws that prohibit false advertising
    Eliminating enforcement of food and drug laws

    Do you think capitalists would label products, refrain from lying in their ads, or worry about the purity and safety of their products without government regulators and trial lawyers on their ass?

  31. 42

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Note: Food and drug laws, label requirements, and laws against false advertising are all LIBERAL ideas that were enacted into law by LIBERAL politicians as a result of public outrage over abuses by CONSERVATIVE businessmen.

  32. 43

    Puddybud spews:

    Carl With Many Left Feet @4:

    I haven’t decided which candidate will receive my vote. But Carl, I have already seen the havoc your party has done to my people so don’t be throwing up these useless smokescreens.

    Carl, you are skirting my other questions in other threads. Why is that? Too tough for thee to answer? And don’t play coy asking me to refresh your memory. You asked me I answered. I asked back you dither hem and haw!

    See ya Carl.

  33. 44

    Puddybud spews:

    Carl: Why don’t you ask Hilary, John and Obama if they will have a black SoS or a black NSA in “their” administration instead of the standard jobs they give blacks like Bill Clinton did!

    I wait for that answer. Maybe it will be as intriguing as the latest troops out of Iraq answer last Moonbat! debate!

    Waaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa

  34. 45

    Mark1 spews:

    At 8:25PM, Sat. Sep. 29th, there are 44 total posts on this thread. Roger Rodent has 21. That is rounghly 48%. Ever been around one of those insecure, self-serving assholes that just loves to hear himself talk? You knoiw, the fat slob at a restaurant that annoys everyone? I was hopng Rodent might have been ran over on his so-called “vacation” (which in his pathetic life really has nothing to vacation away from), and was also curious if hotels and gas stations now take gov’t cheese and food stamps as payment. I guess now they do. My heart does go out to poor angry little-minded Roger though, he sincerely needs help. Professional. Kudos to posters at 3 and 5. But back to the topic, Rudy is the front-runner as he so deserves to be, and of course Darryl just had to make it about color. What a tired old frivolous argument. I’m shocked. Next please….

  35. 46

    chadt spews:

    Well, Marky, between you and Roger, whom do you think is regarded on this blog as being the more intelligent, educated, logical, reasonable, affable, and worth listening to?

    So, in view of that, what are YOU doing here?

  36. 47

    Mark1 spews:

    @46 Chadt:

    Well, depends on how smart you are. I AM here to keep you liberal ignoramouses in check and offer a different viewpoint and opinion on topics. Do you good to remember that an American right and freedom is still the right to disagree, regardless of partisan affiliation and such. A blog that only has people in total agreement posting on it is really not a blog at all. Look around you once in awhile and you will find that despite how much you’ve convinced yourself that you have all the answers, in reality you don’t. There is no right and wrong-only opinions on what is. ;)

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    Mark1 spews:

    @46 Chadt:

    I’m disapointed in you. Like I give a rat’s ass what you or Rodent thinks-answer is I don’t. You people mean nothing at all to me. Like I said before, if I gave a shit about worshipping conformity as you do then I simply would not post differing opinions here on this blog, and I really do not give any value to those here who agree or disagree or consider me intelligent or not. I really could care less. I’m merely pointing out your lack of acceptance on another viewpoint or even considering contrasting opinons to yours. You obviously cannnot handle that in itself. Unlike Rodent, I am not seeking out kudos or a slap on the back to justify (in his case) a pathetic, angry, one-sided, existence. May do you good to remember you do not have all the answers. I know I don’t-but then again I sleep just fine at night too. :)

  38. 50

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    (Open Thread Comment)

    Oscar Wyatt Jr., a Texas oilman nominally linked to the Democratic Party, but who has done favors for both Republican and Democratic presidents, best known for his role in helping to broker the release by Saddam of “human shield” hostages in 1990, has pleaded guilty to paying kickbacks to Iraq for food-for-oil program contracts. Under the plea deal, the 83-year-old faces two to three years in prison.

  39. 51

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @45 et al.

    “At 8:25PM, Sat. Sep. 29th, there are 44 total posts on this thread. Roger Rodent has 21. That is rounghly 48%.”

    So what? As a wingnut troll, you are an uninvited guest here, and furthermore, reading Roger Rabbit comments is a VOLUNTARY ACTIVITY — one you obviously delight in volunteering for. If you don’t like ‘em, don’t read ‘em.

    “You knoiw, the fat slob at a restaurant that annoys everyone?”

    Are you referring to Stefan, or to his kid?

    “I was hopng Rodent might have been ran over on his so-called “vacation””

    You won’t be that lucky. In fact, the whole Republican Party is unlucky. You’re just an unlucky shitheel. Some people say there’s no such thing as luck, you make your own luck. You wingnut shitheels certainly have made plenty of bad luck, and you have no one to blame for that except yourselves.

    “I AM here to keep you liberal ignoramouses in check”

    Bwa-ha-haaaa-haaaaar HAR HAR HAR HAR!!! YOU may see yourself as a straitjacket, but the rest of us see you as the contents of the straitjacket.

    “Do you good to remember that an American right and freedom is still the right to disagree”

    That would be news to your wingnut pals, most of whom think anyone who disagrees with their twisted views should be locked up or shot. As for the First Amendment, they never heard of it.

    “A blog that only has people in total agreement posting on it is really not a blog at all.”

    That’s kind of the way I feel about Stefan’s shitty little blog, too! I’ll give you credit for being smart enough to come to HA, which at least is an open blog where those of all viewpoints are free to post without being banned or censored, which you can’t say for Stefan’s or any other rightwing blog.

    “There is no right and wrong-only opinions on what is. ;)”

    BULLSHIT!!! Warmongering is wrong! Torturing people is wrong! Lying is wrong! Stealing is wrong! That’s the problem with all of you ethically challenged wingnuts — you don’t know right from wrong. The upside is that you can plead insanity as a defense to your criminal behavior.

    “You people mean nothing at all to me.”

    Thanks for being honest, Marky. Of course, we liberals already know that people in general mean nothing to you guys. As the bumper sticker says,

    Democrats treat dogs like people
    Republicans treat people like dogs

    “Unlike Rodent, I am not seeking out kudos or a slap on the back”

    You misunderstand my motives. I’m not seeking cheers or applause. All I want is for you fascist pigfuckers to drop dead, or at least go away (preferably to a different planet).

    I repeat, go away. Just fucking GO AWAY. You’re dismissed.

  40. 52

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Further, under no circumstances should you attempt to pick up a rabbit by his ears. Bad things happen when you do that.

  41. 53

    Mark1 spews:

    @51 Rodent:

    I never read your drivel. Just pointing out that you need another hobby and to get a life. Look at yourself in the mirror, I’m sure what you will find is an angry, tired old geezer that’s out of freash ideas, and out of gas. Good luck Rodent. And for the record, this site needs no invitation. I’ll post here all I want just to piss ignoramouses that live on gov’t cheese and welfare like yourself off.