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Open Thread 1/14

by Carl Ballard — Monday, 1/14/13, 8:01 am

– Our Times Will Get More Interesting

– You know how your conservative friends are saying Hitler banned guns? Turns out, that’s the exact opposite of true.

– The dreamers are pretty amazing.

– As organizations like Planned Parenthood back away from the “pro-choice” label, what is next?

– No pants day on LINK Light Rail is still a story.

– The White House response to the Death Star petition.

A blogging note: I’ve still got a bit of the yucks (to use the technical term) so this is the only post from me today, and possibly tomorrow.

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Bird’s Eye View Contest

by Lee — Sunday, 1/13/13, 12:00 pm

Last week’s contest was won by Darryl. It was in Markham, Ontario.

This week we shift over to Google Maps to find this random location somewhere on earth, good luck!

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HA Bible Study

by Goldy — Sunday, 1/13/13, 6:00 am

Leviticus 11:20-22
All flying insects that walk on all fours are to be regarded as unclean by you. There are, however, some flying insects that walk on all fours that you may eat: those that have jointed legs for hopping on the ground. Of these you may eat any kind of locust, katydid, cricket or grasshopper.

Discuss.

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Paternalism and Parallels

by Lee — Saturday, 1/12/13, 6:30 am

Andrew Sullivan has been dutifully debunking some of the terrible arguments in defense of marijuana prohibition. Conor Friedersdorf has been doing the same. The discussion in those posts centers around a defense of paternalism being made by those in favor of keeping marijuana markets underground. Mark Kleiman here makes a partial defense of those arguments:

Sullivan is horrified by the frank paternalism involved, but horror isn’t a criticism, and he’s wrong to attribute to Frum and Dreher the notion that “all American adults are basically children that we have to protect from their own choices.” What Frum and Dreher are saying is that some Americans – many of them minors – are indeed in need of protection from their own bad choices. (Dreher is especially clear-minded in pointing out that the need for paternalistic protection varies not just from person to person but from choice to choice: lots of people are capable of managing their diets but not their retirement financial planning. I, for example, want paternalistic protection against being sold adulterated drugs or contaminated food.) There’s no logical flaw in the idea that more-liberal policies in a variety of domains might serve the interests of those better-placed to make good choices at the expense of those worse-placed.

There’s an important distinction that’s not being made here. There’s a difference between an uninformed choice, where a buyer is unaware of the true consequences of their decision-making, and a potentially “bad” choice, where people are fully aware of the consequences of their decision-making and are willing to accept the risks. In the former, we should certainly have laws that protect consumers from having to make uninformed decisions where the seller has an advantage that they can exploit. That’s true in our financial markets and in various other places. But it’s not true for adults buying marijuana.

When adults buy marijuana, they’re not being conned into buying a product they don’t understand. For minors, you can more easily make that argument, and that’s why the folks pushing for the end of marijuana prohibition support age limits on its purchase in a regulated market. Like Kleiman, I’d love to see “paternalistic” laws against being sold adulterated marijuana, but those laws are only possible in a legal, regulated marketplace. But identifying any adult purchase of marijuana as a “bad” choice that needs to be prevented is a far different level of paternalism than trying to keep people from being suckered into a bad mortgage or buying contaminated fruit.

The second half of Kleiman’s post tries to make an interesting parallel between prohibition and a lack of prohibition, which was summarized in this tweet:

Legalizing drugs tempts people into drug abuse. Banning them tempts people with drug dealing.

— SameFacts (@SameFacts) January 11, 2013

Both Pete Guither and I found this to be odd, but perhaps for slightly different reasons. I find this to be a very uneven parallel between prohibition and regulated markets. Even under prohibition, the risks of drug abuse still exist, and in some ways they can be exacerbated. Yet under a regulated market, drug dealing is called “commerce”. There aren’t people being tempted into a potentially lucrative (although usually not) life of illegally producing or selling those drugs. The tradeoffs are far from equal in their magnitude.

To expand on that a bit, I certainly know some folks here in Washington who have more interest in trying marijuana now that it’s legal. Taking away that stigma of illegality will certainly expand the amount of folks who are willing to try it. But that subset of the population tends to be older, and far less likely to embark on a lifetime of vaporizer sessions after breakfast. So Kleiman is correct to note that drug use could go up, but on the other side of that, regulated markets that limit sales only to adults will put up a barrier at the other end of the age scale.

Most people accept that lots of young people will still be able to get access to marijuana through friends or with fake ID’s (just as with alcohol), but it’s an additional barrier that didn’t exist before. And it’s being put where it can do the most good, as numerous studies have shown that the earlier in life a marijuana habit begins, the more likely it is to become a more serious problem. Even if that trade-off yields higher overall use rates, it could potentially still be better overall from a drug abuse standpoint.

And thankfully, we already have the experience of Holland over the past several decades to know that an open marketplace for marijuana doesn’t lead to large increases in use. Compared to neighboring countries, the Dutch don’t use marijuana at a higher rate, despite the temptation of coffeeshops where it can be freely purchased.

The main point here is that the first part of Kleiman’s trade-off is largely negligible in its magnitude (and possibly non-existent). Yet the second part is enormous, when you factor in the overall societal costs of funneling tens of billions of dollars into a lucrative black market, tempting those with few options into risking arrest to get some of that money. Kleiman suggests that in poorer neighborhoods, this trade-off might still be close. I find that to be laughable, and more and more people in poor and minority communities are demanding an end to the drug war for the very same reason.

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Friday Night Multimedia Extravaganza!

by Darryl — Saturday, 1/12/13, 1:36 am

Thom: Shouldn’t we all be getting a check for the wealth of our nation?

Gov. Elect Jay Inslee with some important transition metrics:

Sam Seder: The fall of FreedomWorks and the conservative con.

Ann Telnaes: AIG adds insult to bailout.

Thom: Will Republicans do far more harm than al Qaeda?

Lawyers, Guns, and Money:

  • Stephen defends the NRA.
  • Lawrence O’Donnell: Joe Biden is the NRA’s worst nightmare.
  • Ann Telnaes: The gun lobby stands it ground.
  • Thom: Do right wing nutjobbers need guns against the government.
  • Ed: Conservatives compare Obama to Hitler over guns.
  • Maddow: Rage against the buyback program.
  • Lawrence O’Donnell: Republicans go bonkers over VP Biden statement.
  • Sharpton: NRA, the VP will see y’all now.
  • Sam Seder: Alex Jones loses it on Piers Morgan
  • Jennifer Granholm: Has the NRA met its match?

Thom with The Good, The Bad, and The Very, Very Ugly.

Sharpton: New Republican War on Women as Rep. Paul Ryal (R-WI) introduces fetal personhood bill..

Maddow: On the popularity of Republicans versus cockroaches, lice:

Liberal Viewer: FAUX News hides U.S. spying on citizens?.

Gingery Goes All Aiken On Us:

  • Sam Seder: The return of the Aiken Blunder.
  • Young Turks: WTF Gingery!?!

Thom and Pap: KBR committed crimes all over the planet.

White House: West Wing Week.

Jon: First FAUX News “Boner Alert” of 2013.

Young Turks: FAUX News nutjob suggests algebra is part of the liberal agenda.

Thom with some more Good, Bad, and Very, Very Ugly.

Buzz 60: Congress less popular than colonoscopies, lice, root canals, cockroaches less than congress..

Nominations:

  • Ann Telnaes: Obama nominates John Brennan for CIA director.
  • Thom: Why the FCC needs a woman in charge.
  • Lawrence O’Donnell: Obama’s binder full of men.
  • Young Turks: Is the White House too white?
  • Martin Bashir: Where is Obama’s binder full of women?
  • Mark Fiore: Double Trouble.
  • Stephen slams Obama’s all male cabinet.
  • Thom on the Hagel nomination.

Ed: Republicans lose leverage in debt ceiling debate .

Sam Seder: corporate personhood on trial in California.

Thom: The Good, The Bad, and The Very, Very Ugly.

A date with Mitt Romney:

Last week’s Friday Night Multimedia Extravaganza can be found here.

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Open Thread 1/11

by Carl Ballard — Friday, 1/11/13, 7:53 am

– I like Wyble, but I think he’s wrong about still supporting Rodney Tom

– Christians are not supposed to take the side of wage-deniers against wage-earners. Christians are not supposed to take the side of slut-shamers against women. Christians are not supposed to take the side of ignorance against truth. Christians are not supposed to take the side of indulgent pride against love.

– Transportation Advocacy Day is coming up.

– It’s not far to caricature people. Except liberals, obvs.

– There might be several little ants in that acorn.

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In Need of an Editor

by Carl Ballard — Thursday, 1/10/13, 6:15 pm

I was intending to do another zzzzzzz post for McGinn. I’ll probably vote for him, but I’m still giving Ed Murray and Peter Steinbrueck a look. I mean mostly, he’s been good but his standing in the way of police reform has been problematic. Part of the original consist was that it was the holidays when the other people announced. But still, mayor runs for mayor would have worked. Anyway, in stead of that, I’m going to make fun of this article in Crosscut (h/t to my friend Brice):

Luck of the Irish: McGinn makes his campaign move

Awesome title. The fact that he’s Irish is relevant to his campaign, somehow. And I think we can all agree that the colon was appropriate: after all a campaign move flows naturally from luck/and or his ancestry. He quotes his mom as saying “it’s better to be lucky than smart” without any context from the piece. And there’s no mention of his Irishness after the title, so really great job all around. I don’t know if Crosscut writers write their own headlines, but this is certainly not a great start.

Location, location, location, and the location where Mayor Mike McGinn chose to announce his bid for reelection spoke volumes: far from the madding club crowds of Capitol Hill and Belltown that helped drive his first election, at the Filipino Community Center on MLK Way in the heart of the Rainier Valley.

I didn’t know where to break this up, but that’s one sentence. “Location, location, location, and” what the fuck is that? I know it’s supposed to be what people look for in real estate, but Mike McGinn isn’t buying it. You can say the location, location, location thing, I guess, but just throwing it out there doesn’t help anything. Then he seems to think there are club crowds in Capitol Hill and Belltown on a Wednesday afternoon. FACT: Some people go to clubs and live in the South End.

It was a perfect stage for a perfectly casual event, in a suitably undersized, overstuffed room that reinforced the impression of clamoring urgency for, as supporters chanted twice, four more years.

Anywhere is fine for a casual event, especially on Wednesday afternoon. I don’t think holding it in South Seattle is bad. I’ve been to several South Seattle McGinn events, and I’m glad McGinn makes an effort to include that area.

A representative selection of minority community leaders sang his praises. El Centro director (and campaign co-chair) Estela Ortega, who, “in the spirit of Roberto Maestas,” capped her passionate panegyric with a few fist-pumping rounds of “Viva Mike McGinn!” Rep. Kip Tokuda, fellow co-chair Tony Lee, and Mohammed Yussuf variously echoed the themes she sounded: The mayor listens.

This isn’t a particularly good place to break it up, but it’s as good as it gets from here (and we’re still in the lede!). The support of this community is great for him. Still, I suspect they’d get on the light rail if the event were Downtown. Or on a car if it was further North. Or maybe take a car. Some McGinn supporters drive sometimes.

He didn’t cut social programs during the bust, and now that the money’s rolling back in he’ll expand them (including ours). He gets “tangible results”: rebuilding the seawall, a new basketball stadium, clearing the snow from the streets (a dig at McGinn’s predecessor, Greg Nickels). He got the libraries open on Sundays and a jumbo Families and Education levy passed.

Yay. We’re finally done with the first paragraph. I’ve been nursing a cold today, so I don’t think this will get the metacommentary it deserves. But I’d be missing the reason to write it if I didn’t skip to:

When he enumerated his transportation accomplishments and goals, Mayor post-McSchwinn [?] knew not to mention bikeways to this crowd. Many here still smart at seeing steep Othello Street/Myrtle Place squeezed down to one crowded lane each way for bike lanes that no pedalers [sic] use — while no one thought to include bike lanes when Sound Transit ran rail down wide, level MLK Way.

There were probably political reasons for not mentioning bikes. But honestly, my fat ass has no problem riding those hills, so at least don’t pretend nobody does it. Hell, McGinn probably rode there, so he might have taken those same routes that nobody takes.

Honestly, it’s not a bad rough draft. But it’s not a story yet, Crosscut.

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Here’s To An Improved Seattle Weekly

by Carl Ballard — Wednesday, 1/9/13, 7:50 pm

I haven’t read the Weekly in years. Since the sale to VVM, really. Between the stories that hardly ever felt local, and writers I never got used to, I never picked it up, and I think that was probably true of a lot of the casual readers. I had more or less stopped reading before it became apparent that their business model relied in part on ads for child prostitution and it wasn’t a tough decision not to read them at all after that.

So it’s for the good that they were just bought by Sound Publishing. Here’s hoping it’ll get more of its local flavor back, and that there’s a business model that makes sense. The Weekly still has a constituency, even though I don’t read it. More newspapers is generally better for Seattle.

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Open Thread 1/9

by Carl Ballard — Wednesday, 1/9/13, 8:00 am

– A largely sympathetic look at cops who drink.

– I also wonder if they understand what Cherry Point – Xwe’chi’eXen in our language – means to the Lummi people? Do they understand that we trace our heritage at Cherry Point back to at least 1500 B.C.? That our ancient ones are at rest there? That the entire landscape is flagged as a cemetery by Washington State? Does anyone believe that we would ever stand by while our sacred ground – our Arlington, our Jerusalem – is sacrificed for profit?

– A new record number of safe routs to School in Seattle.

– The Tea Party is suuuuuuuuuper popular.

– The gun buy back program.

– How about instead of Gun Appreciation Day, gun safety day? Or literally, anything else?

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Rodney Tom’s Majority

by Carl Ballard — Tuesday, 1/8/13, 8:04 pm

Who could have predicted that building a legislative coalition where Pam Roach got plumb assignments might not work out well?

A report says Sen. Pam Roach of Auburn violated the Senate’s policy in March by verbally attacking a Senate Republican staffer charged with upholding sanctions against Roach that prevented her from having direct contact with staff. The report was compiled by a subcommittee created last summer solely to investigate incidents involving Roach.

When reached by phone Tuesday, Roach said she didn’t know anything about the report.

“I’m looking into it,” Roach said. She declined to comment further.

I mean, never bet against Pam Roach being an asshole. But I would have guessed that it would have taken at least until the session for her to abuse staff again. Now we see that as Rodney Tom was scheming to give her the chair of the Government Operations, Tribal Relations & Elections Committee, she had already gone back to her old ways. Rodney Tom should probably apologize to the staffer at the very least.

Tom has said the sanctions against Roach would be lifted, even though they recently were reaffirmed under a legal settlement announced in September. Tom did not return a phone message Tuesday seeking comment.

Courage.

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Drinking Liberally — Seattle

by Darryl — Tuesday, 1/8/13, 4:45 pm

DLBottlePlease join us this evening for some politics under the influence at our first meeting of 2013—it’s the Seattle Chapter of Drinking Liberally.

We meet every Tuesday at the Montlake Ale House, 2307 24th Avenue E. Starting time is 8:00pm. Some people show up earlier for Dinner.



Can’t make it to Seattle tonight? Check out one of the other DL meetings over the next week. Tonight the Tri-Cities and Vancouver, WA chapters meet. On Wednesday, the Bellingham chapter meets. On Thursday Drinking Liberally Bremerton meets.

With 227 chapters of Living Liberally, including fourteen in Washington state, four in Oregon, and three more in Idaho, chances are excellent there’s a chapter that meets near you.

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Dear Senators Cantwell and Murray;

by Carl Ballard — Tuesday, 1/8/13, 8:54 am

I’m writing today to ask you to oppose John Brennan’s nomination to head the CIA. This country should not put into office someone who helped bring about the torture regime. It’s bad enough that it happened at all. It’s bad enough that it happened in our name. It’s bad enough that that there were no prosecutions above the lowest levels. But for God’s sake, the least the Senate can do is oppose a high level torturer for a job at the CIA.

And look, I know that other than the torture, Brennan is highly qualified. But what a qualifier to have to add! It seems that some things should be off limits.

And yes, I realize this could be a political blow to Obama. I recognize the problems with that, and as someone who supported him, that will be too bad. But he shouldn’t have nominated someone who supported a program that “included slamming detainees’ heads against walls; prolonged standing in stress positions; beating and kicking; prolonged shackling of hands and feet; and much more.”

Thank you,
Carl Ballard

If you want to write Cantwell or Murray an email, the forms are at their names.

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OK, But Let’s End The War Sooner

by Carl Ballard — Monday, 1/7/13, 7:03 pm

This is a great thing Patty Murray did to prevent active duty suicides.

U.S. Sen. Patty Murray, D-Wash., announced Thursday that President Obama has signed her amendment to require the Pentagon to create a new suicide prevention program for active military members.

The new program would also expand eligibility for Department of Veterans Affairs mental health service to family members, improve training and education for health care providers and create more soldier-to-soldier counseling opportunities, according to Murray.

Great work, Senator. Still, as long as the war in Afghanistan is going on anything like this is going to be a small part of the solution. Because this is an inevitable consequence of a decade of war. This is going to happen in a war where the end is still over a year away. This is what happens when people are going to be away from their families for an extended period of time.

So by all means, let’s do everything we can to prevent military suicides. But let’s not pretend they’re going to stop while the country is at war.

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Open Thread 1/7

by Carl Ballard — Monday, 1/7/13, 8:02 am

All questions edition:

– Is the best fact about Patty Murray her college major?

– Is a hostage negotiation the best metaphor for what the GOP is trying to do with the budget?

– Wouldn’t you want a beer after you’d shot yourself? (h/t)

– Anyone interested in seeing Sarah Weddington at Town Hall?

– Did you get called for jury duty?

– How about those Seahawks?

– This… I… um… What?

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Bird’s Eye View Contest

by Lee — Sunday, 1/6/13, 12:00 pm

Last week’s contest was won by Liberal Scientist, who got all 6 locations (Oakland, CA – Minneapolis, MN – Webster, NY – Pittsburgh, PA – Oak Creek, WI – Hollidaysburg, PA).

This week’s is a random location somewhere on earth, good luck! And Go Seahawks!

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