Open Thread 2/11

- Less steaming, less flying, less training.

Which isn’t to say that America hasn’t fallen into a culture of violence. Of course it has. But that culture has nothing to do with fantasy on the small screen or on the big screen. It has to do with reality.

– Apparently Fox News is less than honest sometimes.

– It’s nice to see former Boy Scouts returning their badges to protest the organization’s homophobia.

– I think the Pope saying he’ll resign is an early April Fool’s Day prank.

Professor Droney

Don’t curb our 2nd Amendment rights


  1. 1

    wharfrat spews:

    Re: Scouts…..BSA is a private organization which has morphed from a broad-based community group to a recruiting tool for various sponsoring religions. In Las Vegas, from which I fled, almost 50% of the Cub and Boy Scout troops are sponsored by LDS Stakes. The Catholic Church sponsors a number as well. They are a private organization entitled to their own standards. I can’t see, however, why they should be eligible for tax-exempt status and use of public facilities.

  2. 2


    @ 1

    They are a private organization entitled to their own standards. I can’t see, however, why they should be eligible for tax-exempt status and use of public facilities.

    Gee, that’s just how I feel about, People for the American Way, and the like.


    … (three I can’t remember – Thrifty, perhaps?)


    That’s from the early 70s. Reverent was probably part of those 12 things well before that.

    I’d argue that it’s society that has ‘morphed’, and Scouting is adhering to principle.

  3. 5

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @3 I don’t have a problem with active-duty Navy Seals having guns, and I doubt anyone else does, so what’s your point?

  4. 6


    Hows about an actual full post and discussion about targeted assassinations of American citizens without due process, rather, than just a link to a cartoon?

    DOJ kill list memo forces many Dems out of the closet as overtly unprincipled hacks

    Or would that be a little too uncomfortable?


    Personally, I’m OK with it. It’s one of the things I expect a president to do, quietly, and preferably without press oversight. (I want him on that wall. I need him on that wall.)

    I just wish the playing field were level. Tina Brown makes an excellent point. When Bush was president we had NYT exposing SWIFT. Now that Obama is president, we have the media keeping its mouth shut if requested to do so by the White House.

    Kudos to Greenwald for sticking to his principles.

  5. 7

    Ten Years After spews:

    The Pope is to resign by the end of the month. Funny how the resignation coincides with the HBO documentary about pedophile priests and his role in the decades-old Catholic coverup!

  6. 8

    Gman spews:

    Republican Congressman invites Ted Nugent to State of the Union Address. What a piece of shit! Republicans – Scum of the earth.

  7. 9

    Steve spews:

    “Gun. control.”

    Would you be so coy after posting a description of what all of those bullets did to the little children of Newtown?

    A friend of mine was murdered last summer, Bob, the last of five victims of the Capital Hill murderer, shot in the head point blank by a mad man with a gun. Would you care to post a description of what that bullet did to her and make a crack about it?

    Too bad you can’t delete your post. I’m sure if you think about it, you’ll realize that it was in very bad taste.

  8. 11

    Czechsaaz spews:


    It’s always fun watching people complain about the libr’l media.

    It’s not as if the story wasn’t broken by NBC and then commented negatively upon by a whole slew of “commie” MSNBC hosts. Clearly left media types are silent the troubling notion that citizens can be killed without trial and there;s no chance any libr’l media printed op-eds that such a thing might be necessary under a different administration…

    I mean, for your outraged comparison to be even slightly reasonable, not a single liberal news outlet or blog could have been critical of the killing of al-Alwaki at the time. I’ll let you google that yourself, the results are in the millions.

    And while twisting your fake outrage, how does impeachment work? Which party controls the chamber that would need to pass a bill to impeach? What was your point?

  9. 12

    Czechsaaz spews:


    i like Ted in the Same way I like the Busey. Long after his career hit the shitter he’s found a way to make money by being a professional buffoon. Difference is, Busey has an Oscar Nomination while Nugent has zero top 20 hits and even his ‘fans’ on the right must put him on and realize that he’s a mediocre guitarist at best. (Oh, but aren’t we supposed to shut up and sing?)

  10. 14

    Czechsaaz spews:


    Cat Scratch topped out in the US at #30.

    Gotta admit though, inviting a guy who suggested a president “suck on my machine gun.” and made a threat that the secret service took seriously enough to interview him seems like a really bad idea. Like inviting Brent Bozell to be your guest at the Emmys. Pope Benedict to sit at your table at at a NOW convention.

  11. 15


    @ 9

    No interest in deleting my post, Steve. I’m sorry about your friend’s death, but I have little patience for your conflation of my response to killing of a guy who was supremely responsible for thousands of deaths, just in this country, with what my response should be to the killing of someone you knew. Suppose I had called out the celebration on HA of Andrew Breitbart’s death because I know someone who died of a sudden heart attack, too. Would that have made any sense? What would have been the response of HA libbies had I done so?

    There was a fair amount of snark about the manner of the death of American Sniper a week ago, on HA. All’s fair on the Internet, Steve.

    Oh, and it’s an Open Thread.

  12. 16

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @8 They should seat him within shoe-throwing range of the podium, so we can find out whether Nugent is a man with courage of his convictions or just an empty gasbag. I’m willing to make book on the latter.

  13. 18

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @13 One hit wonder. World’s full of ‘em. The smart ones get married and quietly raise kids. The rest spend the rest of their lives dreaming up increasingly ludicrous ways of drawing attention to themselves. Reassuring the fleabaggers you’d like to shoot the president (with no intention of doing so) isn’t original. Carnival barkers began using that line before the ink was dry on the Constitution. But then, nothing these people do is.

  14. 21

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @14 I assume they’ll frisk him at the door. If he does something disruptive, like yelling insults while the president is speaking, security should throw out his host along with him. But I don’t think this empty suit will do anything like that. He doesn’t have the balls. I think he’ll sit there quietly and frown and not applaud and that’ll be it. Remember this is a guy who, in his prime, dodged the draft. He’s not exactly an Alexander the Great or a Tamerlane or a Pershing. More like Andy Devine’s sidekick Froggy — makes a lot of incomprehensible noise and then disappears in a cloud of smoke when the shit hits the fan.

  15. 23

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Obama invited a new Medal of Honor winner. A Republican congressman invited Ted Nugent. I think they should seat these two guests together so the TV audience can readily see the contrast between people Democrats hold up as heroes and people Republicans hold up as heroes.

  16. 25

    Steve spews:

    “I have little patience for your conflation of my response to killing of a guy who was supremely responsible for thousands of deaths, just in this country, with what my response should be to the killing of someone you knew.”

    First, I couldn’t possibly care less about your lack of patience. Better for you to hope that I don’t ever run out of patience. There’s actually fucking consequences when that happens.

    First a graphic description and then “Gun. control”. So WTF was the point of your post, this “response” of yours? Connect the dots for us, Bob.

    It was pointless and what’s even worse, weak.

  17. 26


    Apparently it was just to piss you off, Steve.

    Really, though. If I didn’t see a need to apologize for noting how much Obama’s older daughter looks like a boy, nor for calling a teenage kid with a history of trouble with the law and a penchant for violence a ‘thug-in-training’, do you really think I’m going to back off for snarking about OBL’s death because it got your panties in a twist?

    Glad to see you’re back to threats of violence. Godwin can’t be too far behind.

  18. 27

    MikeBoyScout spews:

    Serial Reneger – still posting wingnut talking points, still months past due on the bet he lost.


  19. 28

    Steve spews:

    “Apparently it was just to piss you off, Steve.”

    Then it was a failure on your part.

    “Glad to see you’re back to threats of violence.”

    Threats? You mean, like, give warning? Um, no, Bob. You really haven’t been around much, have you?

  20. 30

    Gman spews:


    There was a fair amount of snark about the manner of the death of American Sniper a week ago, on HA.

    What kind of snark was there? You mean to question why his guns didn’t protect him? That is snark about the manner of his death? Give me a break.

  21. 31

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @26 “how much Obama’s older daughter looks like a boy”

    The words “vapid, insipid, sophomoric” immediately come to mind …

  22. 32

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    91 Americans died in gun violence this weekend. Some were our youngest, brightest, and best. How much is an unrestricted and unregulated “right” to have guns worth? IMO not this much.

  23. 37

    MikeBoyScout spews:

    @36 YLB,
    You remember (understand it’s hard, because the amount of BS he spews) how ‘if Obama won’ he was going to retire, blah, blah, blah?

    Like his prediction of a Rmoney win and his betting on it and ‘trust me, I paid’ bullshit, turns out he can’t ‘Go Galt!’

    What a HorsesAss

  24. 38

    Expat(!)Chad spews:

    8. Gman spews:

    Republican Congressman invites Ted Nugent to State of the Union Address. What a piece of shit! Republicans – Scum of the earth.

    No Republianss (or gun nuts, or feckless, lazy physicians) here in Southern Leyte. The move was a success Thank you.

    I would heartily reccomend this area.

    Now, out to my conservative-crook-free palm tree with my wireless net laptop….

  25. 39

    MikeBoyScout spews:

    Hey all, if you’ve not yet seen Argo, see it.
    We pulled it down from Amazon on Saturday night, and despite that it stars and is directed by Ben Affleck, it is a damn good movie.

  26. 40

    Ekim spews:

    2. Dr Scrooge spews:

    I’d argue that it’s society that has ‘morphed’, and Scouting is adhering to principle.

    There was an interesting program on the BSA and its early years. It aired around the same time the BSA was winning its right to be bigoted in the courts.

    The BSA was founded to be an all inclusive group and intended to serve all boys. The organization was never intended to deny membership due to skin color, religious affiliation or sexual orientation. It was not founded to be a haven of bigots as Dr Scrooge seems to think.

    The grandson of the BSA was interviewed for the program. He said his grandfather had tried to resist the religious bigots who had managed to take over the leadership of the organization in later years. He unfortunately failed.

  27. 41

    MikeBoyScout spews:

    @40 Ekim,
    My moniker says something about the BSA. :-)

    The “problem” with today’s BSA is that the practices and principles of the organization have been hijacked by the “religious” sponsors.

    I don’t know, because I never asked, but I’m sure an average proportion of my fellow Scouts when I was a boy were homosexual.
    Maybe there were parents who were gay.
    It never made a difference about what we did and how we did it.

    To preserve the intent of Robert Baden-Powell and the honorable traditions of the BSA, it needs to cut the umbilical cord of bigoted religious sponsorship.

    ps. The Presbyterian church which sponsored my troop went thru a 3 year struggle with homosexuality, and ultimately, split with its hierarchy and saw the light. We can and will do this, but we need to confront bigotry straight on.

    pps. One of my friends and fellow Scout in my Troop was (is?) an Astronaught, having Commanded 2 Space Shuttle Missions.

    ppps. The Serial Reneger never would have lasted in my Troop. We had no tolerance for slacking, lazy losers;
    “do my duty”.

  28. 44

    Ekim spews:

    Lawrence O’Donnell had a great bit on the NRA’s enemies list. It seems he is a bit miffed he didn’t make the cut.

    But apparently all the attention has caused the NRA to delete the page and now it gives a 404. MSNBC managed to find a test page on the NRA web site with more or less the same content.

    Then there is the “Wayback Machine,” AKA the Internet Archive. Great for looking at previous versions of scrubbed web pages. I did a quick search and turned up the Jan 20 version of the (now) 404 page.

    I guess I’m curious. What are they afraid of?

  29. 45

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @40 He’s right, society has morphed; we don’t allow people to own other human beings anymore, and women can vote now. Maybe it’s time for the Boy Scouts to re-examine how they’ve been applying the principles and ideals they teach, and whether there might be better and more inclusive ways of upholding them. There’s nothing wrong with BSA’s principles and ideals in and of themselves, and never was.

  30. 46

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @44 Wow! That’s quite a list of “anti-gun” organizations. Who would’ve thought so many people are against violence?

    Ambulatory Pediatric Association
    American Academy of Pediatrics
    American Civil Liberties Union
    American Academy of Ambulatory Care Nursing
    American Medical Women`s Association
    American Medical Student Association
    American Medical Association
    American Association for the Surgery of Trauma
    American Trauma Society
    American Federation of Teachers
    American Association of School Administrators
    American Alliance for Rights and Responsibilities
    American Medical Association
    American Bar Association
    American Counseling Association
    American Academy of Child & Adolescent Psychiatry
    American Academy of Pediatrics
    American Association for World Health
    American Ethical Union
    American Nurses Association
    American Association of Neurological Surgeons
    American Association of Family and Consumer Sciences
    American Firearms Association
    American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry
    American Jewish Committee
    American Trauma Society
    American Psychological Association
    American Jewish Congress
    American Public Health Association
    Americans for Democratic Action
    Anti-Defamation League
    Black Mental Health Alliance
    B`nai B`rith
    Central Conference of American Rabbis
    Children`s Defense Fund
    Church of the Brethren
    Coalition for Peace Action
    Coalition to Stop Gun Violence
    College Democrats of America
    Committee for the Study of Handgun Misuse & World Peace
    Common Cause
    Congress of National Black Churches, Inc.
    Congress of Neurological Surgeons
    Consumer Federation of America
    Council of the Great City Schools
    Council of Chief State School Officers
    Dehere Foundation
    Disarm Educational Fund
    Environmental Action Foundation
    Episcopal Church-Washington Office
    Florence and John Shumann Foundation
    Friends Committee on National Legislation
    General Federation of Women`s Clubs
    George Gund Fun
    Gray Panthers
    H.M. Strong Foundation
    Harris Foundation
    Hechinger Foundation
    Interfaith Neighbors
    Int`l Ladies` Garment Workers` Union
    Int`l Association of Educators for World Peace
    Jewish Labor Committee
    Joyce Foundation
    Lauder Foundation
    Lawrence Foundation
    League of Women Voters of the United States*
    Lutheran Office for Governmental Affairs, Evangelical Lutheran Church in America
    Manhattan Project II
    Mennonite Central Committee-Washington Office
    National Safe Kids Campaign
    National Association of Police Organizations
    National Coalition Against Domestic Violence
    National Black Nurses` Association
    National Association of Chain Drug Stores
    National Network for Youth
    National Assembly of National Voluntary Health & Social Welfare Organizations
    National Association for the Advancement of Colored People
    National Association of School Psychologists
    National Association of Counties*
    National Association of Pediatric Nurse Associates & Practitioners
    National Association of School Safety and Law Enforcement Officers
    National Education Association
    National Association of Elementary School Principals*
    National Association of Public Hospitals
    National Coalition Against Domestic Violence
    National Association of Secondary School Principals
    National Association of Social Workers
    National Association of Children`s Hospitals and Related Institutions
    National Association of School Psychologists
    National Council of La Raza
    National Center to Rehabilitate Violent Youth
    National Commission for Economic Conversion & Disarmament
    National Council of the Churches of Christ in the USA
    National Council of Negro Women
    National Association of Community Health Centers
    National People`s Action
    National Education Association*
    National League of Cities
    National Council on Family Relations
    National Council of Jewish Women
    National Organization for Women
    National Political Congress of Black Women
    National Parks and Conservation Association
    National Peace Foundation
    National Urban League, Inc.
    National Parent, Teachers Association*
    National Urban Coalition
    National SAFE KIDS Campaign
    National Organization on Disability
    National Spinal Cord Injury Association
    NETWORK: A National Catholic Social Justice Lobby
    Ortenberg Foundation
    Peace Action
    People for the American Way
    Physicians for Social Responsibility
    Police Foundation
    Project on Demilitarization and Democracy
    Public Citizen
    Society of Critical Care Medicine
    Southern Christian Leadership Conference
    The Council of the Great City Schools
    The Synergetic Society
    20/20 Vision
    U.S. Catholic Conference, Dept. of Social Development
    Union of American Hebrew Congregations
    Unitarian Universalist Association
    United States Catholic Conference
    United Methodist Church, General Board & Church Society
    United Church of Christ, Office for Church in Society*
    United States Conference of Mayors
    War and Peace Foundation
    Women Strike for Peace
    Women`s National Democratic Club
    Women`s Action for New Directions (WAND)
    Women`s Int`l League for Peace and Freedom
    World Spiritual Assembly, Inc.
    YWCA of the U.S.A.

  31. 47

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    “Anti-gun” celebrities:

    Krista Allen – Actress
    Suzy Amis – Actress
    Louis Anderson – Comedian
    Richard Dean Anderson – Actor
    Maya Angelou – Poet
    David Arquette – Actor
    Ed Asner – Actor
    Alec Baldwin – Actor
    Bob Barker – TV Personality
    Carol Bayer Sager – Composer
    Drew Barrymore – Actress
    Kevin Bacon – Actor
    Lauren Bacall – Actress*
    Sarah Ban Breathnach – Writer
    William Baldwin – Actor
    Candice Bergen – Actress
    Richard Belzer – Actor
    Tony Bennett – Singer
    Boys II Men – Pop Group
    Jon Bon Jovi – Singer
    Peter Bogdonovich – Director
    Peter Bonerz – Actor
    Albert Brooks – Actor
    Beau Bridges – Actor
    Benjamin Bratt – Actor
    Bonnie Bruckheimer – Movie Producer
    Christie Brinkley – Model
    Dr. Joyce Brothers – Psychologist/Author
    James Brolin – Actor
    James Brooks – TV Producer
    Mel Brooks – Actor/Director
    Betty Buckley – Actress
    Ellen Burstyn – Actress
    Steve Buscemi – Actor
    David Canary – Actor
    Kate Capshaw – Actress
    Kim Cattrall- Actress
    Josh Charles – Actor
    Robert Chartloff – Producer
    Stockard Channing – Actress
    Jill Clayburgh – Actress
    Terri Clark – Singer
    George Clooney – Actor
    Jennifer Connelly – Actress
    Judy Collins – Singer
    Kevin Costner – Actor
    Sean Connery – Actor
    Sheryl Crow – Singer
    Billy Crystal- Actor
    Julie Cypher – Director
    Arlene Dahl – Actress
    Clive Davis – Writer
    Linda Dano – Actress
    Matt Damon – Actor
    Pam Dawber – Actress
    Patrika Darbo – Actress
    Stuart Damon – Actor
    Ellen Degeneres – Actress
    Gavin de Becker – Writer
    Rebecca DeMornay – Actress
    Danny DeVito – Actor
    Michael Douglas – Actor
    Phil Donahue – Talk Show Host
    Richard Donner – Director
    Fran Drescher – Actress
    Richard Dreyfus – Actor
    David Duchovny – Actor
    Sandy Duncan – Actress
    Christine Ebersole – Actress
    Kenneth “Babyface” Edmonds – Singer
    Missy Elliott – Singer
    Nora Ephron – Director
    Gloria Estefan – Singer
    Melissa Etheridge – Singer
    Mia Farrow – Actress
    Mike Farrell – Actor
    Carrie Fisher – Actress
    Sally Field – Actress
    Doug Flutie – NFL player
    Fannie Flagg – Actress
    Jane Fonda – Actress
    Jodie Foster – Actress
    Rick Fox – NBA Player
    Andy Garcia – Actor
    Art Garfunkel – Singer
    Geraldo – TV personality
    Richard Gere – Actor
    Kathie Lee Gifford – TV personality
    Paul Glaser – TV director
    Brad Gooch – Writer
    Elliott Gould – Actor
    Louis Gossett, Jr. – Actor
    Michael Gross – Actor
    Nancy Lee Grahn – Actress
    Bryant Gumbel – TV Personality
    Deidra Hall – Actress
    Ethan Hawke – Actor
    Mariette Hartley – Actress
    Mark Harmon – Actor
    Anne Heche – Actress
    Howard Hesseman – Actor
    Marilu Henner – Actress
    Dustin Hoffman – Actor
    Hal Holbrook – Actor*
    Helen Hunt – Actress
    John Ingle – Actor
    Francesca James – TV Producer
    Norman Jewison – Director
    Lainie Kazan – Actress
    Richard Karn – Actor
    Jeffrey Katzenberg – Producer
    Barry Kemp – TV Producer
    David E. Kelley – TV Producer
    Diane Keaton – Actress
    Margaret Kemp – Interior Designer
    Chaka Khan – Singer
    Kevin Kline – Actor
    Michael E. Knight – Actor
    Jonathan Kozol – Writer
    Lenny Kravits – Singer
    Lisa Kudrow – Actress
    Wally Kurth – Actor
    Christine Lahti – Actress
    k.d. lang – Singer
    Ricki Lake – TV personality
    Denis Leary – Actor
    John Leguizamo – Actor
    Norman Lear – TV Producer
    Spike Lee – Director
    Hal Linden – Actor
    Tara Lipinski – Former Olympian
    Keyshawn Johnson – NFL player
    Rob Lowe – Actor
    Amanda Marshall – Singer
    Barry Manilow – Singer
    Camryn Manheim – Actress
    Howie Mandel – Actor
    Kyle MacLachlan – Actor
    Madonna – Singer
    Marla Maples – Actress
    Marsha Mason – Actress*
    Mase – Singer
    Penny Marshall – Director
    Prema Mathai-Davis – YWCA Official
    John McDaniel – Musician
    John McEnroe – Athlete
    Brian McKnight – Musician
    Natalie Merchant – Singer
    Bette Midler – Singer
    Mary Tyler Moore – Actress
    Michael Moore – Film Maker
    Mike Myers – Actor
    N Sync – Music group
    Kathy Najimy – Actress
    Jack Nicholson – Actor
    Leonard Nimoy – Actor
    Mike Nichols – Director
    Stephen Nichols – Actor
    Rosie O`Donnell- Actress/Talk Show Host
    Jennifer O Neill – Actress
    Julia Ormond – Actress
    Jane Pauley – TV Personality
    Sarah Jessica Parker – Actress
    Mandy Patinkin – Actor
    Richard North Patterson – Writer
    Rhea Perlman- Actress
    Michelle Pfieffer – Actress
    Aidan Quinn – Actor
    Colin Quinn – Actor
    Dennis Quaid – Actor
    Elizabeth Bracco Quinn – Actress
    Bonnie Raitt – Singer
    Debbie Reynolds – Actress
    Mary Lou Retton – Former Olympian
    Paul Reiser – Actor
    Peter Reckell – Actor
    Rob Reiner – Actor/Director
    Robert Redford – Actor/Director
    Anne Rice – Writer
    Cathy Rigby – Actress
    Julia Roberts – Actress
    Marc Rosen – TV Producer
    Tim Robbins – Actor
    Tim Roth – Actor
    Renee Russo – Actress
    Robin Ruzan – Wife of Mike Myers
    Meg Ryan – Actress
    Susan Sarandon – Actress
    Jerry Seinfeld – Actor
    Kyra Sedgwick – Actress
    Martin Sheen – Actor
    Russell Simmons – Record Producer
    Neil Simon – Playwright*
    Louise Sorel – Actress
    Mira Sorvino – Actress
    Rena Sofer – Actress
    Britney Spears – Singer
    Bruce Springsteen – Singer
    Kevin Spirtas – Actor
    Barbra Streisand – Singer
    David Steinberg – Director
    Sylvester Stallone – Actor
    Harry Dean Stanton – Actor
    Meryl Streep – Actress
    Patrick Stewart – Actor
    Sharon Stone – Actress
    Sting – Singer
    Trudie Styler – Actress
    Jonathan Taylor Thomas – Actor
    The Temptations – Pop Group
    Vinny Testaverde – NFL player
    Marlo Thomas – Actress*
    Uma Thurman – Actress
    Steve Tisch – Producer
    Mike Torrez – Former Baseball player
    Shania Twain – Singer
    Dick Van Dyke – Actor
    Eli Wallach – Actor*
    Harvey Weinstein – Producer
    Jann Wenner – Publisher
    Sigourney Weaver – Actress
    Victor Webster – Actor
    Andy Williams – Singer*
    Kelli Williams – Actress
    Henry Winkler – Actor
    Oprah Winfrey – Entertainer
    Rita Wilson – Actress
    Vanessa Williams – Singer
    Herman Wouk – Author
    Joanne Woodward – Actress*
    Peter Yarrow – Singer
    Catherine Zeta-Jones – Actress
    Ahmet Zappa -Actor
    Diva Zappa -Actress
    Dweezil Zappa – Musician
    Gail Zappa –
    Moon Zappa -Actress

    * Denotes membership on Brady Campaign`s National Committee

  32. 48

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    “Anti-gun” national figures:

    Joel J. Alpert M.D. – Pediatrician
    Robert Bernstein Ph.D – Pediatrician
    Robert E. Brennan – Financier
    Bishop Edmond Browning – Espiscopal Leader
    James E. Carter – Former President
    Marion Wright Edelman – Director, Childrens Defense Fund
    Michael Eisner, Former Chairman and CEO The Walt Disney Company
    Amitai Etzioni – Teacher
    Tom Freston – MTV President
    Dr. Lorraine E. Hale – Social Worker
    Della M. Hughes – Activist
    Ed Koch – Former Politician
    C. Everett Koop – Former Surgeon General
    Rev. Wallace Ryan Kuroiwa – Clergyman
    Gerald M. Levin – Chairman, Time Warner
    Davis S. Liederman – Ex. Dir. Child Welfare League
    Paul Rabbi Menitaff – Clergyman
    Abner Mikva – Former Judge
    Richard Parsons – Pres. Time Warner
    Steven Rockefeller – Financier
    Ellen Y. Rosenberg – Activist
    Rabbi David Saperstein – Clergyman
    Herb Scannell – Pres. Nickelodeon
    Vincent Schiraldi – Dir. Justice Policy Institute
    Lyle Elmer Strom – Federal Judge
    Joe Volk – Clergyman
    Rabbi Eric H. Yoffie – Clergyman

  33. 49

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Journalists who “actively editorialize in favor of gun control laws”:

    Steve Benson – Cartoonist
    Tony Auth – Cartoonist
    Jim Borgman – Cartoonist
    Jimmy Breslin – Columnist
    Stuart Carlson – Cartoonist
    Marie Cocco – Columnist
    E.J. Dionne Jr. – Columnist
    Bonnie Erbe – Columnist
    Tom Fiedler – Columnist
    Michael Gartner – Columnist
    Mark Genrich – Columnist
    James Glassman – Editor
    Bob Herbert – Columnist
    Bill Johnson – Columnist
    Donald Kaul – Columnist
    Mike Lane – Cartoonist
    Leonard Larson – Columnist
    Mike Luckovich – Cartoonist
    Jimmy Margulies – Cartoonist
    Deborah Mathis – Columnist
    Colman McCarthy – Columnist
    Jim Morin – Cartoonist
    Tom Oliphant- Columnist
    Mike Peters – Cartoonist
    Robert Reno – Columnist
    Frank Rich – Columnist
    Cindy Richards – Columnist
    Kevin Siers- Cartoonist
    Ed Stein – Cartoonist
    Tom Teepen – Editor
    Tim Toles – Cartoonist
    Garry Trudeau – Cartoonist
    Cynthia Tucker – Columnist
    Steve Twomey – Columnist
    Steve Villano – Columnist
    Adrienne Washington – Columnist
    Don Wright – Cartoonist

  34. 50

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Media outlets that have “assisted in the attack on Second Amendment rights”:

    Capital Cities/ABC
    Television Network
    77 W. 66th Street
    New York, NY 10023-6298
    (212) 456-7777

    Bell Atlantic-D.C.
    2055 L Street, N.W.
    Washington, D.C. 20036
    (202) 392-9900

    Blue Chip Stamps
    15801 S. Eastern Avenue
    Los Angeles, CA 90040
    (213) 720-4600

    The Christian Publishing Society
    The Christian Science Monitor
    One Norway Street
    Boston, MA 02115
    (508) 586-6200

    Columbia Broadcasting Service
    CBS Television Network
    51 W. 52nd Street
    New York, NY 10019
    (212) 975-4321

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  35. 53

    Ekim spews:

    51. Roger Rabbit spews:

    That’s quite an enemies list. Does the NRA have any friends?

    Locally? Dr Bob Scrooge has spoken up for them.

  36. 54

    Ekim spews:

    @45, The point I was making was that Scouting was not adhering to its founding principles. Kinda like how the Republican Party of old got hijacked and turned into The Party Of God(tm) AKA Teahadists.

  37. 57

    Steve spews:

    “Apple is sitting on $137M in cash.”


    “Overtaxed secretaries were so last year.”

    No, it was the undertaxed Galtain Lords that was “so last year”. You lost that one. Remember? Note this year’s guest list. This year were taking away guns. Please do try to keep up, Bob.