Open thread: Wingnut accomplishment edition

Naturally I was really busy on Thursday, on a news day replete with interesting Republican accomplishments. Here’s a recap….

First there was Bush’s report to Congress (and the nation) on “progress” in Iraq since the Surge™ began. Check out Fred Kaplin’s Slate piece on the “accomplishments” titled “You Call That Progress? The outrageous White House report on Iraq.” I sense skepticism.

President George W. Bush achieved something of his own “benchmark” when he tied Richard Nixon’s low mark in a recent Harris poll of presidential approval.

Florida Rep. Bob Allen (R-Men’s Room) shows that even Republicans can try earning $20 the good ol’ fashion way.

President George W. Bush creates more scandal by trying to fire someone.

Now 3600+ U.S. soldiers have given their life for Saddam’s WMD Saddam’s role in 9-11-2001 stopping the Iraqi humanitarian crisis ousting Saddam training…er…fighting them over there oil somethin’ or the other that is really, really worthwhile.

Daniel at On the Road to 2008 noticed that Rep. Dave Reichert’s web site has carefully documented Reichert’s “record of independence and bi-partisan leadership.” Mmmmmm….impressive!

Republicans show their fund raising prowess by finishing somewhere in the top five.

Wingnut Pundit Jack Burkman demonstrates his commitment to small businesses.

President George W. Bush finally takes credit for his administration’s accomplishments in the Valerie Wilson covert dissemination case.

You gotta give them wingnuts credit…they’re always accomplishing stuff….


  1. 1

    klake spews:

    Greetings from Baqubah,

    Another quiet day has unfolded here. Tonight, Thursday 12 June, I will do a live radio interview with Hugh Hewitt at 7PM EST.

    Also, a new dispatch is published: Al Qaeda on the Run

    Very Respectfully,

    http://www.michaelyon-online.c om/wp/al-qaeda-on-the-run-feas ting-on-the-moveable-beast.htm

    By the way Roger is the Minister for Public Enlightenment and Propaganda for the Socialist Democrats Party today just like Paul Joseph Goebbels was in Hitler Germany. His Nazi friends taught him the trade when he visited them in jail.

  2. 2


    I have a sign in my back window. It reads “Being A Republican Must Suck”.

    Rather than calling them names, which they deserve, I try to make their pea brains work.

    To call your self a Republicon these days means you support torture, secret government, wiretaps without warrants, wars based entirely on lies, having America become a dictatorship, ignoring the rule of law, destruction of the planet in a million ways for more corporate profits, and hypocrisy on the grandest scale.

    I am not saying Dems are perfect, far from it.

    Being a Republican Must Suck.

  3. 3

    klake spews:


    Germans Weigh Civil Rights Against Public Safety
    Germany, fearful of being the next major target for Islamic
    terrorists, is edging away from its deep aversion to
    intrusive and harsh enforcement tactics.;emc=th

  4. 5

    RightEqualsStupid spews:

    This exchange between me and Proud Leftist is so good, I am going to post it in every thread on HA from now on. It destroys the Publicans’ stupid talking points – period.

    “I’m working really hard to understand how President Bill Clinton’s actions act as justifcation for the righties. Read this fuckwads.

    If your lame ass argument is that Bill Clinton was a bad President – which is what you say – and if your argument now is that the AWOL coward GW Bush is in someway comparable to Bill Clinton, what you are actually saying is that GW Bush is NO BETTER THAN CLINTON.

    Does it hurt to be that stupid? I really want to know.

    proud leftist says:
    RES @ 18
    You’ve hit it on the nose. The rightwing fringefucks consider Clinton to be the personification of evil–indeed, he is the devil incarnate in their twisted little minds. Nonetheless, their justification for all of the Bushites’ sins is, always, “well, Clinton did it, too.” Methinks they never studied logic.”

    And what’s better, is that the rightie traitor keeps pointing out that this is true. Thanks MTR. Please keep proving my point for me.

  5. 6

    RightEqualsStupid spews:

    Who knew that when the traitor GW Bush stood under the Mission Accomplished sign on the aircraft carrier, he meant – we’ve accomplished the mission of making the terrorists stronger. Way to go Georgie. Way to go.

  6. 7


    So I guess Roger Rabbit was right. Klake IS a NAZI…..

    Klake, let me help you. The war on Al Queda, and in Iraq was lost the day the Supreme Court appointed Bush as president.

    Name one thing Bush got right in Iraq. One single thing. I won’t hold my breath.

    Whatever you do, don’t read the latest NIE that says Al Queda is as strong now as it was before 9-11.

    Heckuva job Bush.

    Heckuva job!

    Anyone that still supports the lying traitor Bush belongs in a rubber room with “special” meds.

    I feel great knowing America is losing 3 wars simultaneously now. Iraq, Afghanistan, and the “War on Terror” as they put it……

    And you want to blame Democrats?

    Karl Rove has completely filled your head with sawdust Klake, along with the other 29% that still support the pathetic lying shrub.

  7. 8

    Daddy Love spews:

    In the news….three years ago ( )

    Republicans say that Democrats have abused the filibuster by blocking 10 of the president’s 229 judicial nominees in his first term — although confirmation of Bush nominees exceeds in most cases the first-term experience of presidents dating to Ronald Reagan. Describing the filibusters as intolerable, Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-Tenn.) has hinted he may resort to an unusual parliamentary maneuver, dubbed the “nuclear option,” to thwart such filibusters.

    “One way or another, the filibuster of judicial nominees must end,” he said in a speech to the Federalist Society last month, labeling the use of filibusters against judicial nominees a “formula for tyranny by the minority.”

    Those were the good old days of 1994, when every good Republican in here was screaming bloody murder about how the filibuster must be destroyed. Of course they also wanted Democrats hanged for treasn, deported to Iran, or both, but that’s a different post.

    Now EVERY PIECE OF LEGISLATION GOING THROUGH THE SENATE is being blocked by Republican filibuster. That’s right, every single bill. Every single bill needs 60 votes for cloture to proceed to the floor. But wait!

    *sound of crickets chirping*
    Nary a peep comes from the mouths of Republicans on this travesty of “the tyranny of the minority” and how it must end. The newspapers are silent on the issue, and good Republicans are happily pointing out how disappointing the Democratic legislative record is.

    Hypocritical bastards. You’ll pay the price on ’08.

  8. 9

    janet s spews:

    On the other side, we need to give kudos to the Dems in Pierce County who not only allowed a little girl to be killed by a known illegal alien sex offender, but they also let him sign up to vote. It isn’t easy to accomplish so much in so little time.

    I hope the family sues the city, and all the individuals who knew about this man and allowed him to wander freely are fired from their jobs and made to pay huge fines to the family.

  9. 10

    RightEqualsStupid spews:

    From what I hear, the Publican police chief in Tacoma knew this girl was in trouble, but did nothing. Of course the Publican city counsel is liable so I assume Janet S is right. The city government and the county government is overrun with right wing nutjobs because of the fort in the area. So suing would be good. Let’s get the cowards that let this girl die out of office and replace them with Dems.

    Remember RubberStamp Dave let the Green River killer run free all those years. Too bad the Publicans are just cowards when it comes to real law enforcement.

  10. 11

    janet s spews:

    The police can’t do too much when the politicians refuse to allow them to enforce laws. This guy should have been deported as soon as he completed his sentence for incest. Given the timing, I’m betting that would have been during the 1990’s, when the Clinton Administration was in charge of the federal government.

    Pierce County failed to have him register as a sex offender, and the state legislature failed to toughen the laws on sex offenders. Don’t lay blame for this one on the Republicans.

    BTW, isn’t Seattle a sanctuary city? Do all of you still think that is a good idea?

  11. 13

    RightEqualsStupid spews:

    Janet S first you try to say this is a Pierce County problem then all of a sudden it’s President Bill Clinton himself who let this guy go. I love it when I kick your ass up one side of the street and then the other forcing you to completely change your argument mid-stream. It’s a sure sign that you-like your cowardly cohorts are looooooosing again.

    Publicans run law enforcement. You wingnuts constantly tell us that. So blame your fellow cowards for this one you train-pulling whore.

  12. 14

    RightEqualsStupid spews:

    Here’s another great accomplishment from the “mission accomplished” team…Bush family friend bin Laden – you know, the guy who is ACTUALLY responsible for 9.11 – is still roaming around free while wingnut cunts try to tell us it’s Mexicans we should be worrying about. Deflect Deflect Deflect – it’s all you right wing traitors have.

  13. 15

    chadt spews:

    Janet s

    How NICE TO SEE you again! I know that the trip from your planet is SO long and tiring….

  14. 16

    janet s spews:

    Osama roaming freely? I haven’t heard any reports or seen any pictures to support that notion.

    So are you saying that we need to legalize all those who have entered our country? Even those who have committed crimes? I agree- the republicans are in charge of immigration enforcement, and are doing a poor job of it. But everytime someone brings it up, the Dems cry racism. Ted Kennedy was at the forefront of the amnesty bill.

    I am all for giving a legal path for those who are here outside of the law, if they have committed no crimes. Too bad the Dems don’t agree.

    I also find it amusing that your argument is so weak that you have to resort to personal attacks. What a loser.

  15. 17

    Libertarian spews:

    Tacoma and Pierce County have been a dumping ground for sex criminals for too long. It’s time to return these convicted felons to their counties of origin rather than turning them loose on Pierce County.

  16. 18

    Right Stuff spews:

    “It’s time to return these convicted felons to their counties of origin rather than turning them loose on Pierce County”

    Even better how about COUNTRIES OF ORIGIN

    For crying out loud, we need to export these criminals back to their homeland…….

  17. 19


    re 3: Klake, I hear your a dangerous bar brawler — in the “It’s a Small World” ride at Disneyland. The problem with fighting al Qaida in Iraq is that, um, that ain’t where they’re at. They are in Pakistan. But “W” wouldn’t want to kill the family business partner’s crazy son, would they? WOULDN’T BE PRUDENT!

    Much like your bar brawling at the”It’s a Small World” ride.

  18. 20

    Libertarian spews:

    Even better how about COUNTRIES OF ORIGIN

    For crying out loud, we need to export these criminals back to their homeland…….


  19. 21


    RE 11: Janet, because of idiots like you, the jails are clogged with pot smokers and shoplifters.

    The serious criminals are all out on the street — like Scooter Libby.

  20. 23

    RightEqualsStupid spews:

    Janet S you really need to do some reading outside of Lush Flimbaugh’s blog. Your guy – you know, the coke-snorting, AWOL draft dodger GW Bush supported Senator Ted’s bill. In other words, your guy Bush is an asshole.

    I love it when your arguments are so weak that you change the subject after I have ONCE AGAIN kicked your ass up one side of the street and the other. This is the big leagues bitch. You aren’t ready for prime time. Since you’re the best the right has to offer, I feel very good about the prospects for freeing America from right wing traitors.

  21. 24

    RightEqualsStupid spews:

    Roaming around free – you want evidence? Show me some to the contrary. Where’s bin Laden’s hanging video? Where’s the pictures of his arrest? The Bush regime can’t find a seven foot towell head with an IV hooked into his arm. What a bunch of idiots.

  22. 25

    Right Stuff spews:

    The Bush regime can’t find a seven foot towell head with an IV hooked into his arm

    Very nice. Thank you for exposing yourself as the biggot we already knew you to be….

  23. 27

    Daddy Love spews:

    Immmigration bills could be passed, but the Republicans block votes on any and all legislation. The immigration bill wasn’t defeated in a vote, it never got to the flor because it was filibustered and they couldn’t get 60 votes to move it forward.

    Just like the 240 other bills passed by the House this year that have been blocked by Senate Republicans.

  24. 28


    This comment isn’t even in the ballpark of making sense.

    First of all, people can not be illegal. They can do illegal things, but they themselves can not be illegal persons.

    This is important because by the rhetoric most on the right use, giving amnesty only to those who are in this illegally but haven’t broken the law would apply to no one.

    And of course, no one on the Dem sides wants to give amnesty to people who are in this country solely to violate our laws.

  25. 29


    We need to remind our representatives in congress: You can’t trust Republicans. And “compromise” now means they are going to do things OUR way.

    New message to wingnuts: Its our way or the highway for retarded wingnuts.

  26. 30

    Daddy Love spews:

    Let’s see, Al Qaeda as strong as in 2001:

    “Al-Qaeda again capable of U.S. strike, report says”

    “Al Qaeda’s overall strength is discussed in a five-page summary — titled “Al Qaeda better positioned to strike the West” — that is part of the upcoming National Intelligence Estimate being discussed at the White House on Thursday…The threat assessment focuses on the terror group’s safe haven in Pakistan and makes a range of observations about the threat posed to the United States and its allies, officials said.”

    Ad it’s because Pakistan won’t go after them:
    “Al Qaeda entrenched in Pak, Osama protected by tribals: US ”;ssid=52

    And we agreed to this even though everyone thinks bin Laden is there:
    “Influx of Al Qaeda, money into Pakistan is seen”

    “Al Qaeda’s efforts were aided, intelligence officials said, by Pakistan’s withdrawal in September of tens of thousands of troops from the tribal areas along the Afghanistan border where Bin Laden and his top deputy, Ayman Zawahiri, are believed to be hiding.”

  27. 31

    RightEqualsStupid spews:

    Janet S shows how Publicans work – come in – yell fire – run out – don’t worry whether or not there’s flame. What a cunt. I hope she gets AIDS.

  28. 32

    RightEqualsStupid spews:

    Why did Bush let bin Laden go at Tora Bora? Could it be the strong ties between Bush Sr. and bin Laden Sr.?

  29. 33

    GBS spews:

    janet s.

    You’re pathetic. You’re insecure. You have problems with morality. You lie. You’re un-American. You don’t have even the slightest clue about the principles of our founding fathers.

    People like you are destroying America because of your rigid, unprincipled, anti-American ideology.

    You and people like you are the enemy within that Osama bin Laden knew he could count on to destroy America.

    Republicans & conservatives; bin Laden’s real Weapons of Mass Destruction.

  30. 34

    Jerry spews:

    Please learn the difference between “their” and “there”.

    “…er…fighting them over there oil…”

  31. 35

    Facts Support My Positions spews:

    Set America straight.

    Impeach, and then prosecute the Chimp.

    Hang his supporters for treason.

  32. 36

    Thomas Jefferson spews:


    “Set America straight”? By whose definition? Yours? Do you actually think you can get the concensus necessary to remake the country? Anything Republicans have tried, the Democrats, and their willing whores in the media, have obstructed and ranted about. You think it would/will be any different for your side?

    Ahh, but you’ve already accounted for that – hense your call for a pogrom to eliminate any possible opposition. I should have remembered that. Historically, worldwide, the left’s response to opposition has been genocide, in the name of and for the good of, “the people”, of course.

    You libs are something, I have to say. As a Libertarian, this crap makes me just as sick as some of the stuff the Republicans have done. The funny thing is that you’re just like them – a mirror image – and you don’t even realize it. Both sides nothing but power-hungry statists. Pathetic!

  33. 38

    Broadway Joe spews:

    RS @ 12:

    No offense, but I think CATO’s staff is sniffing glue. Yeah, Portland is even more lib than Seattle, but the crapola CATO put out about the ‘gridlock’ is pure and simple BULLSHIT. The worst traffic congestion I’ve EVER seen on the freeways in Portland is nothing compared to moderate traffic passing through downtown Seattle, or just about anywhere else in the Seattle Metro. Usually just a little slowdown as I-5 crosses the river is all I see, and I’ve driven every stretch of freeway there at every time of day.

    Portland’s light-rail is clean, efficient, reasonably fast and safe. When my travels have taken me there, I have used it a time or two. It works, it really does. That’s why they’re taking it across the river to Vancouver.

    And while I’ve never read The Oregonian or Portland blogs that much, I’m just a little suspicious about that ‘light-rail mafia’ line. Must do research…….

  34. 39

    Libertarian spews:

    RightEqualsStupid says:

    From what I hear, the Publican police chief in Tacoma…

    How do you know the guy’s a Republican? Tacoma’s a pretty blue area. The guy may be a Democrat.

  35. 41

    GBS spews:

    TJ @ 36 wrote:
    Set America straight”? By whose definition?

    The Founding Fathers definition. It’s in the Constitution. You should try reading it some time. Sorry, I mean you should have an adult who understands and believes in the Constitution read it to you.

    You’re a libertarian, huh?

    That’s a laugh. And you use the screen name Thomas Jefferson, the original Democrat.

    Grow up.

    Geez, I can’t wait for summer vacation to get over with so the snot nosed conservative kiddies can go back to getting D’s & F’s in school.

  36. 42


    Jerry @ 34

    Please learn the difference between “their” and “there”.

    “…er…fighting them over there oil…”

    If you look carefully, you will see that “…fighting them over there” and “oil” are two separate “reasons,” as can be discerned by the discontinuity in the strike-through.

  37. 43

    killa kowski spews:

    “President George W. Bush achieved something of his own “benchmark” when he tied Richard Nixon’s low mark in a recent Harris poll …”

    That means he can lose another 20% of his last-ditch support and still be more popular than Carter. My source is the New York Times Almanac, unaffiliated with the half-vast right wing conspiracy.

    Carter’s the sewer rat of modern polling. Not even Nixon polled as badly, and only Truman came close. For context, remember that Truman’s no-win war (aka “police action”) took the lives of about 50,000 Americans.

  38. 44

    Thomas Jefferson spews:


    The Founding Fathers definition? Really? Since when does the Democratic Party have even a remote acquaintence with what the Founding Fathers cared about? What a smug ass you are.

    I have read the constitution, fyi, and unlike most of you parasites, I spent four years of my life protecting it. So don’t lecture me about what the constitution says, or what the Founding Fathers wanted.

    As for TJ being the original Democrat? Tell you what bubba, his Democratic party bears little resemblance to yours. Maybe you need to do a little growing up, yourself.

  39. 45

    Daddy Love spews:

    TJ 44

    And now Democrats are parasites? But you’re not Republican, right. Yes, we all really believe that.

    Convince us that you believe in the Fourth Amendment.

  40. 46

    Thomas Jefferson spews:


    I neither care what you believe, nor do I need to convince you of anything.

    I did not call “Democrats” parasites. Not specifically, anyway. That particular appellation is just as likely to belong to a Republican, or any other statist for that matter, as a Democrat.

  41. 47

    Daddy Love spews:

    An example of what the Founding Fathers cared about that I care about:
    Amendment I
    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

    Amendment II

    A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

    Amendment III

    No soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

    Amendment IV

    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

    Amendment V

    No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

    Amendment VI

    In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.

    Amendment VII

    In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise reexamined in any court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.

    Amendment VIII

    Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

    Amendment IX

    The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

    Amendment X

    The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

  42. 48

    Facts Support My Positions spews:

    #44 so since you served in the military it makes you an expert on our constitution?

    So you have no problem with the fact that a member(s) of Bush’s staff outed an undercover agent (spy), and destroyed their front company/cover? Outed every intelligence asset that ever interacted with this front company? Outed possibly 50 or more undercover agents in the process?

    Where was their treason trial? Oh, I forgot. Fredo runs the justice department as a branch of the GOP. Only Dems get prosecuted!!!!

    Bush, and his supporters are the enemy of this country. Bin Laden could never have dreamed of hurting America as much as the Bush Crime Family, with the help of their pathetic lemming supporters.

    So Tommy, how do you feel about Bush’s buddies committing treason (as Libby, Rove, Armitidge, and Novak did) to silence his administration’s critics? The critics that are demanding he tell the truth for once?

    The people that support the Bush Crime Family are vermin, and should be treated as such.


    Bush, and his thugs urinate on our constitution daily, and probably laugh while doing it. All with the support of the pea brained conservative bobble head traitors.


    Buuuut Clinton got a bj right? Same thing right?

    You right wing dirtbags are pathetic.

    Every single day the investigations are uncovering more dirt. Bush even had to claim executive privilege on the documents relating to Pat Tillman’s death. They didn’t want to be proven to have lied about the cause of his death right before the election.

    How do Libertarians feel about claiming “Executive Privilege” when Congress tries to do their job uncovering crimes?

    Yeah I though so.

    By the way, Clinton’s staff testified. He had nothing to hide unlike the lying shrub.

  43. 49

    Daddy Love spews:

    Hey, TJ, glad you’re around. Loved your Declaration of Independence, and Monticello totally rocks.

    This is one of my favorite quotes about Libertarians. Care to comment or critique?

    If you want a place like Manhattan to exist you have to accept the masssive government that is a necessary condition for such a place. All of those people and buildings piled on top of each other requires a rather invasive and elaborate regulatory structure, as well as substantial government provision of public services. One can cosmetically “privatize” some of those services, a process which in practice involves expanding the local patronage machine, but that doesn’t change the fact that the government is basically paying the bill. You need the kind of collective action which only government, or some equivalent with a different name, can provide.

    Having said that, I do think libertarians could find their calling by focusing on stupid state and local laws, and I don’t mean symbolic but not especially important things like seatbelt laws and smoking bans. Small businesses do face rather onerous regulations and taxation, often applied by corrupt and/or incompetent agencies, in many municipalities. There are genuine and pointless barriers to the kind of economic freedom libertarians talk about, but the federal payroll tax isn’t really a particularly important one.

  44. 50

    Daddy Love spews:

    TJ @ 46

    Though you might not “need to convince [me] of anything,” you might want to weigh in on the Bush administration’s warrantless wiretapping of Americans in defiance of the FISA law governing such surveillance (and of course the Fourth Amendment, but who really cares about that these days, right? It’s so pre-9/11.)…

  45. 51

    GBS spews:

    TJ @ 44:

    “Since when does the Democratic Party have even a remote acquaintence with what the Founding Fathers cared about?”

    That would be since July 4th, 1776.

    I served just over 10 years. I guess that makes me 2 1/2 times more patriotic than you. Smug ass.

    I will FUCKING lecture you all day long and, again, there’s not a God Damned thing you can fucking do about it. Through this blog or in person. Mother Fucker.

    Puddybud, PacMan and myself have met for lunch, so touch bases there first, fuck head, before you go shooting your mouth off and make promises you can’t and won’t keep!!

  46. 52

    janet s spews:

    I find it fascinating that you all here are still ranting that Libby outed an agent. He didn’t, he wasn’t accused of doing so, and someone else (Richard Armitage of the State Dept) freely admitted he leaked Plame’s name. Armitage was indicted with nothing from a prosecutor who had no one to answer to and could act freely to indict anyone he wanted. But I guess if you repeat this enough . . .

    I’m also fascinated that all you peace-loving constitutionalists want to kill anyone who disagrees with you. That theme has run through several threads today. I guess you are just joking. What cutups you all are!

    And about that FISA thing – the ACLU doesn’t have standing because they can’t find a single person in this country who had a domestic phone call tapped. The appeals court threw them out on their ear.

  47. 53

    Thomas Jefferson spews:


    Where did I claim that having been in the military made me an expert on the constitution? You’re either deliberately obtuse, or you’re a product of the Seattle public school system.

    Critical Thinking – Learn it, live it, love it! The rest of your post is nothing but standard lib bed-wetting. Let’s see if next time you can come up with something original…You know, something you didn’t read in the Dummy Underground, first.

  48. 54

    Daddy Love spews:

    Actually, janet, Irving Libby discussed Valerie Plame’s indentity and CIA employment with eight journalists over the course of a few weeks, notwithstanding that Richard Armitage has the dubious distinction of being “first” to mention her name and employment.

    And as the prosecutor said many times over the course of the trial, the other players could nto be prosecuted in large part because people like Irving Libby (who was convicted of LYING to FBI agents, PERJURY before a grand jury, and OBSTRUCTING JUSTICE), kept the good guys (remember them?) from nailing the bad guys.

  49. 55

    GBS spews:

    Loser-tarians! Baa haaa haaa haaa.

    Name one GREAT libertarian in American History.

    Go ahead Tommby-Boy, fire your best shot. With THIRTY-SIX years of rich history behind your party, you must have a huge pool of great Amrican historical figures.

    Mmmmmmm. . . this ought to be good.

    How will TJ respond:
    A) Name all the great Libertarians in US History.
    B) Avoid the question and do a personal attack ala Karl Rove
    C) List disgraced Democrats and ask me to defend them.
    D) Just go away.

  50. 56

    Thomas Jefferson spews:


    My, my, what a vicious little peacelover you are.

    Ever hear the saying about profanity being the last resort of the inferior intellect, or some such? How does it feel being living proof of such a proposition?

    As for your oh-so-gracious invitation? I’m shaking in my boots, lib.

  51. 57

    Thomas Jefferson spews:


    If you’re trying to get me to defend Bush, give it up. I didn’t vote for the man, either time, and I don’t like a lot of what he has done.

  52. 59

    GBS spews:

    OK, let’s just sum this up for our Loser-tarian who comes to this blog, attacks liberals, whines about Bush and cannot name one great Libertarian in American History and is one GIGANTIC pussy.


    Oh, and guess what MOTHER FUCKER, I’m still intellectually superior to you, even though I cuss like a sailor – old habits die hard.

    All I did was ask you ONE question to enlighten us about your “party” and what do you do? Back peddle like a Republican from the truth.

  53. 60

    Daddy Love spews:

    57 TJ

    Hey, I’m just trying to get you to TAKE A POSITION on an important civil liberties issue. But if that’s too “libertarian” for you, well, you can go home and tell mommy.

  54. 61

    GBS spews:

    Puss-wad @ 58:

    Here’s what I’m proving.

    Democrats have history, bitch. Going back to day 1, week 1.

    Deal with it.

    Democrats have extended more civil rights in this country to women and minorities than any republican or loser-tarian. We’re still trying to give gay people the same rights YOU enjoy.

    Democrats helped liberate this country from England, draw up the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. What Republican or loser-tarian was there to do the heavy lifting?

    Democrats led the way out of the Great Depression

    In WWII the Republicans firmly planted their fucking tails between their legs, pissed on the floor and left the leadership up to Democrats. We answered the call of duty.

    A Democrat had the vision to propel America into the space race and firmly plant us on the leading edge of technology which created trillions of dollars in private wealth.
    No, I didn’t think so.

    A Democrat created the conditions for the greatest growth in the economy that the world has ever known.

    No Republican president has created more jobs on a percentage basis of the population than any Democrat in the last 100 years.

    Democrats led the way on labor issues. Like 40 hours per week? Overtime pay? Safety on the job? Kids in school and not working 12 hours a day 6 days a week?

    Let me ask again in a different way, what is your party’s great accomplishment? In lieu of complaining that others don’t understand. What is your party’s list of accomplishments?

  55. 63

    Daddy Love spews:


    Wow, the Libertarian Party’s greatest acomplishment? Wasn’t that Ron Paul turning Republican?

  56. 64

    RightEqualsStupid spews:

    Notice how Janet S (aka cowardly hypocrite cunt) just abandons her argument once her covers are pulled? Now she’s off to the old bullshit about Plame not being covert or the Bush regime not outing her. I know facts NEVER get in the way of your blind support for the terrorist regime of GW Bush Janet S, but the PUBLICAN prosecutor says you are a lying asshole.

  57. 65

    Thomas Jefferson spews:


    What important civil liberterties would those be? I’m all for them. How’s that?

    Do I think that there is never a time when government should spy upon its citizens? Yes, I do believe that. What about if those citizens are consorting with known enemies of the country? That’s another story.

  58. 66

    Facts Support My Positions spews:

    #52, Hey janet s. How does it feel to defend traitors? Does lying to hide the crimes of Libby, and the rest of the Bush Gang make you a traitor too? I would think so. So would anyone else with a reality based ideology.

    Tell you what janet. Why don’t you, and your traitor friends out all the CIA agents. The CIA is far too interested in proof, truth, real threats, and reality to be used any more by the Bush Crime Family. Let’s out them all!!!! Tell our enemies!!!! Again!!!!! Yeeehawwwww!!!!

    I urinate on any, and all defenders, and defenses of the traitor Libby. He should be hanging from a rope if there was any form of justice in this country, along with Novak, and Rove. If it wasn’t for all that lying, maybe Bush, and Cheney would have been found to have been involved with this act of treason too!!! They have to lie, obstruct, and claim executive privilege on everything. They are all guilty as hell, and we all (at least the reality based community) know it.

    Just remember all those reporters who knew who the leakers were and kept their mouths shut so Bush could be re-elected.

    Cooper, Woodward, Novak, Judith Miller, and the rest.

    These people are not journalists, they are apologists working for NAZIS.

    I can’t completely blame them for keeping quiet though. We all know what happens to people that tell the truth about the Republicon Criminals in our government. They get treated like Valerie Plame/Wilson, and Scott Ritter. Slandered, outed, and attacked. Just read “Conservatives Without A Conscience” by John Dean.

    No wonder Bush regards loyalty before competence. Anyone that cared a whit about their country would be exposing these animals at every turn.

    Remember I never said Republicons were vermin. Just Bush supporters. Many Republicons are just too stupid to know better, and should be treated like retards instead of rats, snakes, and cockroaches.

  59. 68

    Daddy Love spews:

    RES 64

    Yes, Republican prosecutor, Republican-appointed judge, Republican-majority Appeals Court panel, jury of peers–ALL thought that Irving Libby was somehow, I don’t know, GUILTY of lying to the FBI and a grand jury and of obstructing justice. A partisan witch-hunt if one has ever been seen, eh?

  60. 69

    Thomas Jefferson spews:


    If you’d ever actually read anything that TJ had written you’d realize how little the modern Democrat party has in common with his ideas.

  61. 71

    Daddy Love spews:

    65 TJ

    Wow, you’re all about principles, but pretty well lacking in the specifics. Is there not a specific violation with which you would disagree? Of course not. You talk a game of disagreeing with Republicans as well as Democrats. What a great moderate you re! But that’s just so much smoke and mirros when you can’t disagree with actual violations of both law and basic Constitutional guarantees.

    I mean, really:

    Do I think that there is never a time when government should spy upon its citizens? Yes, I do believe that. What about if those citizens are consorting with known enemies of the country? That’s another story.

    Well, how about the administration ADMITTING that they did not bother to get Constitutionally- and lawfully-required warrants (Mr. Constitution) to listen in on communications between American citizens and others (potentially citizens) too? And then telling the public AND governmental oversight agencies that they couldn’t know because it “secret?”

    If citizens of the United States are “consorting with known enemies of the country,” then the Government should damn well be required to provide probable cause to believe this and obtain a warrant to surveil.

    Some fucking “libertarian” you are. Not. You have ZERO credibility at this point, amigo. Another GOP shill.

  62. 72

    GBS spews:

    @ 69:

    Oh bring it on Mother Fucker. What have you read written by Thomas Jefferson. I love reading his collection of letters and notes.

    Here’s a test of your Thomas Jefferson knowledge. What book is Thomas Jeffeson best known for writing?

  63. 73

    GBS spews:

    Stop Googleing Mother Fucker!

    What’s the answer???

    AnyBODY who reads Thomas Jefferson knows this answer!!

  64. 74

    Daddy Love spews:


    That was “Chronicles of Narnia,” wasn’t it? After all, all this guy seems to know is fantasy, seeing how he grounds his arguments in neither law nor the Constitution.

  65. 76

    Daddy Love spews:


    Do I think that there is never a time when government should spy upon its citizens? Yes, I do believe that. What about if those citizens are consorting with known enemies of the country? That’s another story.

    Umm, what happened to “never” in that second bit? I guess never say never, eh?

  66. 78

    Daddy Love spews:

    I don’t know all, obviously, but I can agree with the Original TJ on these points:

    “I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.”
    – Taken from a letter to Dr. Benjamin Rush, September 23, 1800.

    “We hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights, among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, that to secure these rights governments are instituted among men. We…solemnly publish and declare, that these colonies are and of right ought to be free and independent states…And for the support of this declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine providence, we mutually pledge our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.”

    – Taken from the Declaration of Independence, 1776.

    “Almighty God hath created the mind free…All attempts to influence it by temporal punishments or burthens…are a departure from the plan of the Holy Author of our religion…No man shall be compelled to frequent or support any religious worship or ministry or shall otherwise suffer on account of his religious opinions or belief, but all men shall be free to profess and by argument to maintain, their opinions in matters of religion. I know but one code of morality for men whether acting singly or collectively.”

    – Taken from A Bill for Establishing Religious Freedom, 1777. The last sentence is taken from a letter to James Madison, August 28, 1789.

    “God who gave us life gave us liberty. Can the liberties of a nation be secure when we have removed a conviction that these liberties are the gift of God? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that his justice cannot sleep forever. Commerce between master and slave is despotism. Nothing is more certainly written in the book of fate than these people are to be free. Establish the law for educating the common people. This it is the business of the state to effect and on a general plan.”

  67. 79

    DarcyBurnerPhoneHome spews:



    Senate Democrats Sneak \”Hate Crimes\” Bill into Crucial Defense Bill
    Would hold US troops fighting \”War on Terror\” as hostages in exchange for sweeping \”hate crimes\” legislation

    WASHINGTON, D.C., July 13, 2007 – Senate Democrats will hold US troops fighting the \”War on Terror\” as hostages in exchange for sweeping \”hate crimes\” legislation if the Senate votes this week, perhaps as early as Monday, to include it in the defense spending bill.

    Instead of introducing the legislation giving sexual orientation \”hate crimes\” protection as a separate bill, Senators Ted Kennedy (D-MA) and Gordon Smith (R-OR) {AN EQUALLY MISERABLE FUCKER} opted to introduce the \”Matthew Shepard Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act\” as one of hundreds of amendments to the Defense Reauthorization bill requested by President Bush.

    \”There\’s no question this is an attempt to sneak the bill in under the most shameful circumstances because they are attaching it to the defense of our military troops,\” Mat Staver, founder of the Liberty Counsel said.

    Sens. Kennedy and Smith\’s strategy, Staver said, forces the President into a terrible dilemma: President Bush must either approve \”hate crimes\” legislation or veto the entire spending bill thus leaving US troops fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan without new support and dwindling resources. Since the President has no line-item veto, approval of the defense bill is an all or nothing deal.

    \”This is an underhanded ploy by liberals in the Senate to try to force Bush to sign dangerous hate crimes legislation into law,\” said Matt Barber, policy director for cultural issues at Concerned Women for America (CWA). \”I would suspect that [Bush] would send this back to the Senate and say \’quit playing games with the lives of our troops\’ and have them send a clean bill to his desk to get these troops taken care of.\”

    In May, the US House of Representatives passed H.R. 1592 the Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act, a bill similar to the Senate version proposed by Sens. Kennedy and Smith, that would insert \”sexual orientation\” and \”gender identity\” into existing hate crimes provisions, and give the federal government unprecedented involvement in local law enforcement.

    The President had promised to veto any \”hate crimes\” legislation, calling the bill \”constitutionally questionable.\” A statement from the White House said, \”There has been no persuasive demonstration of any need to federalize such a potentially large range of violent crime enforcement.\”

    Conservative groups have charged that \”hate crimes\” equals \”thought crimes\” and carries major implications for the religious freedom of Christians and other religious groups who preach homosexual behavior is intrinsically disordered and immoral. Such fears were confirmed when Rep. Artur Davis, a supporter of the bill, admitted that under this law a pastor could be charged with the crime of incitement if the he preached against homosexuality and a person in the congregation left church and committed a crime against a homosexual.


  68. 80

    Daddy Love spews:


    yeah,yeah. More unattributed cut and paste. Attribute what you steal, lame ass!

  69. 81

    Daddy Love spews:

    Hate crimes are a problem, and even more so after a dozen or so years of Republican governance.

  70. 83

    Daddy Love spews:

    The Defense Reauthorization Bill OUGHT TO bring the troops home by next year!! Period. Ifthe Republicans were not FILIBUSTERING every piece of legislation going through the Senate, it could pass, too.

  71. 84

    Daddy Love spews:

    Funny how 70% of Americans want to end this miscreant war, but it’s somehow Worth Fighing despite all our wishes.

  72. 87


    #79 How can all that hate fit in your tiny pea brain?

    The troops have been nothing but pawns in the Republicons lust for power for the last few years.

    When it comes to doing something for the troops, how about only going to war when you have to, against an enemy that is actually a threat? Having people take care of our wounded when they return (see Walter Reed)? How about proper armor, and updated vehicles? How about a little rest between your 5 tours…..

    Maybe if Bush, and his buddies didn’t ignore the 100 warnings that we were going to be attacked (see “Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside the United States” PDB) the towers would still be standing. After receiving 100 in your face warnings, Bush never even called a meeting to discuss security from terror attacks. And you lemmings want to blame Clinton…. There is no word in the english language to describe how pathetic you lemmings are.

    Here is a real dilemma for the pea brained traitor loving wingnuts. Would we be safer now if we spent the 2 to 3 trillion dollars the Iraq war will eventually cost infiltrating, arresting, watching, and killing “Real” Al Queda terrorists, instead of just creating more of them by invading Iraq?

    Answer the question dirtbags.

    Would we be safer now if we spent the 2 to 3 trillion dollars the Iraq war will eventually cost infiltrating, arresting, watching, and killing “Real” Al Queda terrorists, instead of just creating more of them by invading Iraq?

    Answer the question wingnuts!!!

    Would we be safer now if we spent the 2 to 3 trillion dollars the Iraq war will eventually cost infiltrating, arresting, watching, and killing “Real” Al Queda terrorists, instead of just creating more of them by invading Iraq?

    The question you traitors can’t handle.

  73. 88

    DarcyBurnerReallyHatesYou spews:

    Hate crimes are NOT a problem, you fucking moron.. you can\’t legislate THOUGHT, you miserable asshole. And you fucking pricks want to call conservatives fascists yet YOU FUCKERS WANT TO TELL EVERYONE HOW TO THINK.


    ANY crime against homosexuals or any other *victims* that penis-brained idiots like you can imagine is ALREADY a crime

    Murder: crime
    Assault: crime
    Discrimination: crime
    Theft: crime
    Rape: crime





  74. 89

    Daddy Love spews:


    There are several precedents for extra penlalties for those who commit common crimes against, let us say, special victims. For examples, many municipalities have additional penalties for violent crimes against cops. I am sure you’re against that.

    But the principle here is that violent crime against minorities qua minorities is that they are de facto terrorist incidents.

    Not that this is something you understand. After all, what do you know about terrorism?