Open thread

(And there are about 50 more clips from the past week in politics at Hominid Views.)


  1. 1

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    The GOP’s Contract With America, Version 2.0

    1. Don’t remove the $75 million cap on oil companies’ liability for economic damages.

    2. Don’t put a moratorium on deepwater oil drilling while safety regulations are reviewed.

    3. Don’t increase regulation of the oil industry.

    4. Don’t extend the homebuyer tax credit to help the depressed housing industry.

    5. Don’t extend unemployment benefits to help millions of unemployed workers.

    This is an election year, folks. Think about it: Why should you, or anyone else, vote Republican? I can’t think of a single rational reason to vote Republican. Only irrational people vote Republican.

  2. 2


    There will be impacts as we are seeing. We have never represented anything different than that. That’s why the emphasis is always on preventing these things from occurring because when they happen we are not well equipped to deal with them. And that’s just a fact of the enormity of what we’re dealing with.

    That’s not what they told their right wing stoogesregulators.

  3. 3

    Michael spews:

    Great video.


    Yay, those climate change commies in the White House are cracking down on child labor.
    WHITE LAKE, N.C. — The Obama administration has opened a broad campaign of enforcement against farmers who employ children and underpay workers, hiring hundreds of investigators and raising fines for labor and wage violators.

    A worker’s identification card is scanned. More Photos »
    A flurry of fines and mounting public pressure on blueberry farmers is only the opening salvo, Labor Secretary Hilda L. Solis said in an interview. Ms. Solis, the daughter of an immigrant farm worker, said she was making enforcement of farm-labor rules a priority. At the same time, Congress is considering whether to rewrite the law that still allows 12-year-olds to work on farms during the summer with almost no limits.

    Come on righties, let’s hear the pro child labor side of the story!

  4. 7

    lostinaseaofblue spews:

    RE 4

    Let’s see, bigot-

    ” a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance.”

    You mean the kind of person who consistently calls all Republicans hateful names, assumes things (racism, homophobia, greed, with of course never an assumption of any positive value) about an entire group of people on the evidence of a few within the group, and consistently refuses to acknowldge faults within his own political affiliation? That kind of bigot? Glass houses and stone throwing, Gman, glass houses and stone throwing.

  5. 8

    lostinaseaofblue spews:

    RE 1

    Rabbit, you’re better than this. This is straw man argumentation at it’s worst.

    Leaving aside the oil industry as a red herring- The other two are simple fiscal common sense. No, we shouldn’t be extending unemployment benefits. I work in one of the hardest hit industries in the economy, construction. During that year I’ve tried and tried to find work and just couldn’t do it (insert sob track and photos of starving children here.)

    Or not. During that time I’ve turned down two offers of work, as I started a small business. I routinely help part time with several old business contacts filling in needs for skilled management or carpentry. I’ve made a bit more this year than the prior year while employed full time, and done it working 25 or 30 hours a week, if that.

    Jobs are out there, if a man is willing to do them. If not, well, I don’t see how I’m obliged to feed, house and clothe a man who won’t work with my taxpayer dime.

    When exactly would you stop spending money the government doesn’t have on ill advised programs? When the growth rate is 5% and the unemployment 8%? Or do you need the growth rate in double digits and unemployment non-existent before we stop stealing our childrens futures?

  6. 9

    lostinaseaofblue spews:

    Re 8

    Sorry, in the previous post an additonal sentence would help to make the post coherent. Sentence in italics.

    ” I work in one of the hardest hit industries in the economy, construction. Last year I lost my job. During that year I’ve tried and tried to find work and just couldn’t do it (insert sob track and photos of starving children here.)

  7. 10

    lostinaseaofblue spews:

    Let me steal the arrow from your respective quivers-

    “You couldn’t be coherent if you tried!” “Coherent? A conservative?” “Republicans suck!” That last one is for Zotz, Gman and a few others who simply reiterate that theme tirelessly, irrespective of the actual topic at hand.


  8. 11

    Gman spews:

    @7 – if the shoe fits f’n wear it. Republican = Bigot. Get some balls and admit it, stop cowering in guilt.

  9. 14

    lostinaseaofblue spews:

    RE 11

    Exactly, Gman, if the shoe fits, you will have to wear it. I feel no guilt whatever for a party which I vote for as the lesser of 2 evils. Partly, this is because I don’t associate significant parts of my personality with something as ephemeral as party politics. Partly it is because I’m mature enough to know that both Democrats and Republicans by and large want the best for this country. We just happen to disagree on definitions of ‘best.’

    RE 12

    Same tired line repeated from every poster on this blog.

    No, I did not, and have frequently written here that I didn’t, support Bush fiscal stupidity. Bank bailouts, stimulus money and the war in Iraq are all wastes of taxpayer money. Only one of these must be carried through to completion, for the reasons of international power and simple responsibility for problems we created.

    Re 13

    No. Conditions of my contract eliminated that possibility. I have recieved not one solitary dime from taxpayers. I have however continued to pay for everyone unwilling to work at whatever is going to take care of their families.

  10. 15

    Daddy Love spews:

    Deficits on the minds of non-teabagger voters? Not so much.

    A Pew Research / National Journal poll from early June asked “Which of the following national economic issues worries you most?” Number one was “job situation” with 41%. “Federal budget deficit” got 23%.

    An NBC / Wall Street Journal poll from early May asked “Please tell me which one of these items you think should be the top priority for the federal government.” Sure enough, “job creation and economic growth” won with 35%. “The deficit and government spending” got 20%.

    A Fox News poll also in early May got even more dramatic results. “Economy and jobs” topped the priority list with 47%, while “deficit, spending” garnered only 15%.

    A CBS / NYT poll in early April found 27% prioritizing “jobs”, 27% the “economy” and 5% prioritizing “budget deficit/national debt.”

    A newer Gallup poll, from a week ago, asking “What do you think is the most important problem facing the country today?” finds the economy and jobs on top. “Economy in general” gets 28%, “Unemployment/Jobs” gets 21%, and “Federal budget deficit” gets 7%.

  11. 16

    lostinaseaofblue spews:

    Re 15

    With all due respect, that isn’t surprising. It’s why consumer credit is so out of reasonable relation with incomes in this country. It’s part of the reason for the housing market bubble and collapse. Americans want immediate gratification, and they want someone else to pay for it.

    If you ask any random person whether they care more about the problem they face at this moment or the one created by the ‘cure’ for that problem in 10 years, what do you think they’ll say? If you ask whether they should be given money to sit at home and half heartedly look for work, or have those benefits cut out of concern about what their children might face while looking for work in a country decimated by poor policy, what do you think they’ll say?

    Of course you wouldn’t ask that, and your pollsters likely didn’t. But it is the real question.

    I want legislators and presidents to view the next decades impact of their decisions, not the next 5 minutes. I want them to consider the long term effects of their choices and whether they are consistent with the short term gains.

  12. 18

    Puddybud sez, Ask ylb, he has the full HA database at home spews:


    What a moron you are. Puddy worked the farm for a month every summer for 8 years from 7 until 14. Yeah Puddy was a DUMMOCRAPT back then. It didn’t kill Puddy. It made Puddy realize what farmers did to supply us with milk and meat products. Puddy wasn’t paid much but the experience was worth it.

    This is another of the Odumba Sadministration’s sucka plays for suckas such as you Michael!

  13. 19

    Michael spews:


    What a moron you are. Puddy worked the farm for a month every summer for 8 years from 7 until 14.

    Me too. Actually, I was helping out on farms or on my dads fishing boat until I was in my early 20’s. But this isn’t about kids helping out on the family farm. This is about enforcing the weakest child labor laws in the developed world.

    Sorry, I don’t want to live in a third world nation.

  14. 20

    Michael spews:


    The only difference between Obammy and Shrub here is that O’s folks are enforcing the laws. The law’s no different.

  15. 21


    It made Puddy realize what farmers did to supply us with milk and meat products.

    Just like in the Yakima Valley huh? 2 story high signs for Republicans while the fields are full of the cheapest labor cheap labor right wingers can buy – most of it undocumented.

    Wingnuttia – the land of hypocrisy!

  16. 22

    Gman spews:

    @14 – sounds like you liked the tax cuts to the rich then. That you agreed with, because you forgot to denounce it, and therefore you agreed with a + $6T deficit over 8 years.

    And I suppose the part that supports bigotry is the lesser of two evils. I could go on with many examples. But the one I like best is when Fred Thompson was asked in the NH Presidential Primary Debate, whether Private employers should have the right to fire if they didn’t like that the person was gay. His answer Yes! That is the party to align to. I suppose Fred Thompson would prefer to limit ones talents to heterosexual people only, and expects gay people to work for the federal government (that they don’t want to exist) and or be on welfare or to survive on nothing. Not only does it not make sense, or isn’t fair when the constitution reads “for liberty and justice for all”, but it is damn right Bigotry.

    So you can go stick the shoe up your ass with the rest of you Bigot Republicans. You Hypocrites.

  17. 23


    i like how there is no real discussion of the issue here. its like “scientists support global warming and nazis are against it. are you with the scientists or the nazis?”

    and by like i mean grossed out.

  18. 24

    Gman spews:

    @14 – What kind of stupid contract did you sign? I work in the construction industry and never heard of such a thing to sign away your unemployment benefits. Is it even lawful? Are you stupid?

    So, you are saying you would have collected but if it weren’t for the contract you signed.

  19. 25

    Gman spews:

    Bigotry isn’t a real issue, nah civil rights isn’t an issue? The constitutional rights of “Liberty and Justice for all” isn’t an issue either. Republicans are Bigots. Discuss. Max is that you? Maybe an issue you would rather sweep under the rug, like Nazism.

  20. 26

    Michael spews:


    It’s nice to have a space where you can indulge your inner 7th grader. There are plenty of other places on the web where you can engage in in depth discussions about issues.

  21. 27

    Puddybud sez, Ask ylb, he has the full HA database at home spews:

    Pavlov sez… The arschloch@21 changed his arschloch name and the arschloch did. Who owns that fool? Puddy of course!

    Can anyone decipher those useless drippings from the arschloch@21?


    Didn’t think so!

  22. 28


    Can anyone decipher

    Guess the words are too big for you.

    “you dope”


    You’re also too stupid and your “bubble memory” is too damaged to figure out that I have different handles programmed into different browsers on different computers.

    “you dope”..

  23. 30

    Puddybud sez, Ask ylb, he has the full HA database at home spews:

    Great editorial

    “Researchers at Universidad Rey Juan Carlos in Spain calculated that these policies created green jobs at a cost of 500,000 to 1 million euros ($619,425 to $1,238,850) each. Based on their experience, the U.S. would lose about nine jobs for every four created in the renewable sector because of the tax burden imposed on the rest of the economy.”

    PuddyCommentary – That’s not so bad. Odumba could claim he “created” jobs like those mysterious jobs not found from the Porkulus bill on the website. If your memory fails you on this and other Puddy topics just ask HA’s clueless goober arschloch goatsee@21. He has all of HA saved at home.

  24. 31

    Puddybud sez, Ask ylb, he has the full HA database at home spews:

    “you dope”

    Must be the clueless goober arschloch goatsee has stopped his meds. Puddy doesn’t see

    “you dope”

    anywhere in #21. Puddy does see

    “I am a dope”

    flashing in the brown eye of porn @ 2, 6, 21, 28, & 29.




    Did you see all the brown eye of porn specimens in the arschloch’s link? The multiple flashing

    “I am a dope”

    specimens was blinding. Such a useless mass of human cells!

  25. 33

    Puddybud sez, Ask ylb, he has the full HA database at home spews:

    Another DUMMOCRAPT who wasn’t on his meds.

    “Democrats have claimed the men in the video – whose faces were blurred – were conservative operatives looking to provoke the congressman. But Etheridge has said their identities were irrelevant and he would apologize to them if he knew who they were.”

    PuddyCommentary – Of course they would claim that… DUMMOCRAPTS wouldn’t want you to think about assault charges!

  26. 34

    Puddybud sez, Ask ylb, he has the full HA database at home spews:

    Another nail in the coffin of a corrupt DUMMOCRAPT NEA Teachers’ Union not caring about student achievement.

    “”The teachers union, I don’t even understand why it’s called a union,” said Monte Dilworth, 35, the head track coach and a P.E. teacher at West Broward High in Pembroke Pines. “They took $2,000 away from me for the last two years, and they haven’t done anything for me.””

    PuddyCommentary – Why do NEA Teachers hate American children? Why does the NEA continue to dumb down American students in the classroom? Sounds similar to the MTA contract in Mass where the retired Navy ROTC teacher was being let go because he wouldn’t pay the union. Nothing new here, just pay DEM dues!

  27. 35

    Puddybud sez, Ask ylb, he has the full HA database at home spews:

    Puddy wonders if Lee has any comment on this video from the Marmara.

    Remember the IHH sent Ahmed Ressam to the US 1999 for a planned explosive visit.

  28. 38

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @8 “Rabbit, you’re better than this.”

    No, I’m not, and you should know that by now. I used to be a Goldwater Republican, and received my propaganda training from Republicans, therefore you shouldn’t be surprised that I stoop to their level.

    Besides, I didn’t make this stuff up. I simply read a news article, then posted here about how the Republicans in Congress voted. Read the article I linked to, and see for yourself! It’s not very long and you can read it in two minutes. I know my retelling makes those Republicans look crazy; but then, they are crazy, so that’s hardly my fault.

  29. 39

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @8 It’s not clear from your comment whether you oppose an unemployment benefits extension, or simply oppose unemployment benefits, period.

    If the latter, you are an ass, my friend. It can be statistically demonstrated that at no time does the U.S. economy ever produce enough jobs for all our workers. Even in a so-called “full employment” economy, there is what economists call “structural unemployment.”

    One of the strengths of capitalism is its tendency to “creative destruction” — old industries are destroyed, obsolete jobs disappear, and new businesses and jobs are created. The problem is, the guy who was good at making buggy whips doesn’t know how to write software.

    Thus, as part of the New Deal, FDR and a Democratic Congress created unemployment insurance. The emphasis here is on the word “insurance” because that’s what it is: An insurance policy for workers against becoming unemployed through no fault of their own — which, in a dynamic capitalist economy, is inevitable.

    The way the law is currently written, you do not get unemployment benefits if you quit your job, were fired for misconduct, or aren’t making reasonable efforts to find work. You do not, however, have to accept “unsuitable” work. This means you can’t be required, as a condition of being insured against involuntary unemployment, to relocate to another city or state, or look for work you’re not qualified to do, or work for an employer who pays far below competitive wages.

    Employers and their cheap labor conservative backers, of course, hate unemployment insurance because they want a pool of desperate unemployed workers who are over a barrel because they have to either work on your terms or starve. If that’s what you want, “lost,” all I can say is, fuck you. The New Deal has been around for 75 years and we Democrats won’t agree to repeal it.

    You claim “jobs are out there.” I say BULLSHIT. If that were true, we wouldn’t have 10 million unemployed in this country. Believe me, those people want to work! But consumner spending and business hiring isn’t sufficient to provide everyone with jobs right now. If you don’t understand that, then you need to go back to college and retake Econ 101, because you don’t remember a fucking thing from that class!

    The bottom line is, you are just a ranting wingnut reading aloud from the GOP Little Red Book, which has nothing to do with reality or the world that human beings have to actually live in, so take your ideology and shove it up your ass! I want something that works.

  30. 40

    Michael spews:

    “Even the long-legged Englishmen could not escape our bicycles.”

    Colonel Masanobu Tsuji
    Japan’s Greatest Victory; Britain’s Worst Defeat

    Is, of course, in reference to Japan’s invasion of the Malay Peninsula at the beginning of WWII. An invasion carried out largely by bicycle.

  31. 41

    Michael spews:


    Is, of course, in reference to Japan’s invasion of the Malay Peninsula at the beginning of WWII. An invasion carried out largely by bicycle.

    Should read:
    This is, of course, in reference to Japan’s invasion of the Malay Peninsula at the beginning of WWII. An invasion carried out largely by bicycle.

    The North Vietnamese used bicycles as well. We seem to be pretty good at using $100-million dollar machines to lose wars to people on bicycles and using cheap, improvised, gear.

  32. 42

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @37 For every thug union there’s a hundred thug employers. If employers weren’t thugs, nobody would need unions.

  33. 43

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @41 Don’t forget Ho Chi Minh sandals! The North Vietnamese were making “combat boots” from old tires long before anyone in the U.S. thought of recycling.

  34. 44

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    One of the reasons the U.S. loses wars is because we use million-dollar weapons to destroy $100 of enemy gear.

  35. 45

    Michael spews:


    My point exactly. If you want to save some money our bloated and ineffective defense budget is the place to start.

  36. 47

    proud leftist spews:

    Rabbit @ 39
    Damn, Rog, that’s one of the best slapdowns I’ve ever seen on this blog. Hate to say it, lost, but you just got your lunch handed to you.

  37. 49

    Zotz spews:

    @7: What’s left of Republicans are racist, homophobic greedheads.

    It’s not bigotry if it’s true.

    Incoherent is another word for mindless cliche bullshit, completelylost. Your real problem though is that you don’t have a clue how completely brainwashed you are.

    Telling us how you feel and repeating rightwing cliches is not an argument. I know, I know, your mom probably told you how “special” you are. Did you ever wonder what she really meant?

    As an enabler of and advocate for racist homophobe greedheads, your shit doesn’t deserve more than ridicule and derision. Roger has done you a favor, completelylost — with a lot more patience than most of us could ever muster. I’m betting that it’s, irony intended, lost on you.

  38. 50

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    Hello KLOWNS-
    It’s wonderful to be back from yet another outstanding adventure.
    I see ObaMao is still in the shitter–

    Sunday, June 20, 2010

    The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Sunday shows that 28% of the nation’s voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as president. Forty-four percent (44%) Strongly Disapprove, giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -16.

    Forty-seven percent (47%) still blame today’s economic problems on the recession that began during the presidency of George W. Bush. But now 45% say they’re due to the policies of President Obama.

    The more time that passes, the more the economic woes shift to ObaMao.
    It will be over 50% by November, 2010 election time. That will be the #1 voter issue.

  39. 51

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    I find this Senate Race in NY interesting.
    The Democrat will likely win…but, the tightening is a sign of the times-

    A new Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of Likely Voters in the state shows a tightening of the contest between Gillibrand and former Congressman Joe DioGuardi. She now earns 49% of the vote to DioGuardi’s 38%. In early May, Gillibrand led this race 51% to 28%.

  40. 53

    Puddybud sez, Ask ylb, he has the full HA database at home spews:

    To the clueless goober arschloch goatsee…

    Libtardos can’t refute facts fool!

    Have a great Father’s Day everyone, even you arschloch goatsee!

  41. 55

    Puddybud sez, Ask ylb, he has the full HA database at home spews:

    Libtardos can’t refute facts fool! Corrected back!

    Another PuddyAction copied by the clueless goober arschloch goatsee. There hasn’t been an original thought in that femtometer sized brain since the fool arrived on HA. Puddy challenges the clueless goober arschloch goatsee to demonstrate an original thought not stolen from a libtardo web site.

    Meanwhile Puddy will move onto other topics.


  42. 56


    can’t refute facts

    Heh.. The “fact” is that no one cares to read much less respond to your stupid right wing cut and paste bullshit..

    I’ll note this in the future to prove your fecklessness..

    A barrel of laughs every day.

  43. 57

    Uh oh, Chongo! spews:

    hows your butt feeling gman? Was saturday another glorious night of self-loathing male on male blowjobs and ass reaming?

    talk about some sick fucks….

  44. 58

    Little YLB spews:

    @52 Have a great Father’s Day everyone, even you arschloch goatsee!

    You would be a better father if you got a job and started helping Mom support the family!

    Happy Mother’s Day!

  45. 59

    Gman spews:

    @57 – Max, you true colors show, black and red nazi. you are the sick fuck. Something went wrong in your life, and now you are bitter for the rest of your life. I hope you continue to have a miserable life. And stop frequenting Did a Priest or Rabbi molest you?

  46. 60

    Uh oh, Chongo! spews:


    gleeman swings and misses….the projection on your end is obvious gleeman.

    get some medication and counseling.

  47. 61

    Michael spews:


    What’s up with all the hating on gays? Shouldn’t people be free to do what they want?

  48. 62

    Uh oh, Chongo! spews:


    sure, people are free to be as mentally fucked up and confused as much as they want. I dont care.

    I like pulling gleemans chain because he likes to post stupid shit.

  49. 63

    correctnotright spews:

    @50: Only an ignorant fool like Klynical would attribute the recession (that almost became the woprst depression in history and is still the worst since the great depresssion) to Obama.

    It was started way into the Bush term (earlier than previously aknowledged) and furthered by the republican policies, the banking deregulation and then the tight-fisted monetary policy that only gave money down the craphole in Iraq.

    Come 2010 the ecopnomy will be on the mend and jobs will finally start to rebound. the republicans will campaign on…..doing nothing to fix things and haviong no new ideas (except the deregulation of the bankjs, the mining industry and the oil companies).

    Oh yeah, and drill, baby, drill that Palin, Klynical and the other idiots were shouting. All that looks like a winner to idiots like klynical who can’t even remember how foolish his previous predictions were:

    Obama would lose big because of inexperience (ha, that one really worked)

    The stock market was down because of Obama (oops, it came back up).

    Les regulation means greater prosperity (oops, banking crisis, mining disasters and oil spills).

    Yah, like we would listen to anyone with a track record of complete inaccuracy like you Klynical.

  50. 64

    proud leftist spews:

    Max @ 62
    Getting insulted by you is like being awarded a badge of honor. Your homophobia is just one more manifestation of what a small mind you have.

  51. 65

    Gman spews:

    @62 – Max, come on. Don’t be so soft. Be the Bigot you want to be. You don’t have to pretend to agree to gayness, come right out and say you are a Bigot, that’s all I’m asking. I have no problems with Bigots, I like some of them unfortunately, I’d just prefer they weren’t in the closet. Be proud of who you are, admit it, you can do it. Puddy will do it after you.

  52. 67

    Uh oh, Chongo! spews:


    oh poor gleeman…I am going to have to pass on joining your little “I hate _____ people” club – in which it appears you are the local chairperson.

    Hows that John Wayne Gacy art collection of yours? Do you still like dressing up as a clown and creeping around?

  53. 68

    It's the Economy, Stupid. spews:

    Canada believes it can teach the world a thing or two about dodging financial meltdowns.
    The 20 world leaders at an economic summit in Toronto next weekend will find themselves in a country that has avoided a banking crisis, and where the economy grew at a 6.1 percent annual rate in the first three months of this year. The housing market is hot, and three-quarters of the 400,000 jobs lost in the recession have been recovered.


    Damn. The Canadians seem to be doing it right. I wonder how poor, how desperate the non rich 80% have to get, before we start to consider adopting the better of their ideas, and vote to make it happen?

  54. 71

    Uh oh, Chongo! spews:

    Wow, what a lousy summer.

    Sure glad we have this global warming issue….maybe we should re-name it global raining.

    oh, and I am sure its all Bush’s fault…

  55. 72

    It's the Economy, Stupid. spews:

    @70 can we adopt their immigration policy too?
    Donno. Don’t know what theirs is.
    We wouldn’t have much of an illegal alien problem in this country if they couldn’t get work. If we start to jail the people who employ them, demand will dry up and the illegals will go elsewhere.
    What are YOU doing to get employment laws here enforced?

  56. 74

    Uh oh, Chongo! spews:


    Hey, I am all in favor of locking people who employ illegal aliens – I am also for securing the border. I think both are required to solve the problem.

    What am I doing? Well first of all I dont hire illegal aliens. Unfortunately, politicians from both camps are trying to suck up to the hispanic community in order to get votes, so neither wants to get serious about kicking the illegals out. Just goes to prove that our own politicians dont give a fuck about us – they only care about getting re-elected.

    Thank god Arizona finally got some nutsack…hopefully more states will follow.

  57. 76

    Michael spews:


    My understanding is that they have a fairly aggressive program to keep illegals from working, but other than that leave people be.

    They also don’t have a failed state on their southern border. Well, not yet anyway.

  58. 77

    Uh oh, Chongo! spews:


    They also have a very strict immigration policy.

    if you are poor or uneducated, you can forget about heading to Canada in most circumstances.

  59. 78

    Puddybud sez, Ask ylb, he has the full HA database at home spews:

    correctnotright loves to state partial facts

    It was started way into the Bush term


    Dems da fax jack!