Open thread

(There are links to fifty-some more media clips from the past week in politics at Hominid Views.)


  1. 3

    MikeBoyScout spews:

    Good news for Republicans

    Across the country, they [teabaggers] are signing up to be Republican precinct leaders, a position so low-level that it often remains vacant, but which comes with the ability to vote for the party executives who endorse candidates, approve platforms and decide where the party spends money.

  2. 4

    Max Rockatansky spews:

    Why are progressives such control freaks?

    Moonbat Progressive proposed law of the week: the seattle park dept is proposing to outlaw spitting at all parks – including playfields. really?!?!?!

    and how did they come to propose this law? “we took an informal poll of our staff of things they didnt like…and spitting was one of them”.
    I see – how typically progressive and liberal.

    what a fucking joke.

  3. 6

    MikeBoyScout spews:

    @4 Max Rockatansky 01/16/2010 at 8:59 am,

    Speaking of jokes, let’s review your answers to the following quiz:

    a) Identify 3 municipalities in the tri-county area that have legally prohibited smoking in public parks?

    b) What was the vote count (yea and nay) in the Tacoma council vote to ban smoking in public parks in October 2009.

    c) How many Tacoma council members who voted yea for a legal ban on smoking in public parks lost in their election bids in November 2009?

    d) How many municipalities ban smoking in public parks in the US?

    e) Approximately what percentage of the world’s population are thought to be infected with M. tuberculosis?

    f) True or False, spit from people with active TB transmit TB to uninfected people?

    g) True or False, children play in parks?

    h) True or False, public urination and public defecation bans violate the rights of free people and are unconstitutional?

  4. 8

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    Here is what Rasmussen had last Tuesday in Massa2shits—

    Tuesday, January 12, 2010

    The Massachusetts’ special U.S. Senate election has gotten tighter, but the general dynamics remain the same.

    A new Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of likely voters in the state finds Massachusetts Attorney General Martha Coakley attracting 49% of the vote while her Republican rival, state Senator Scott Brown, picks up 47%.

    I suspect the last 4 days have been mighty tough on Coakley and it is now a toss-up.
    Enter Obam-Mao..
    If she loses with his campaigning, Obam-Mao is in huge trouble.

  5. 9

    Max Rockatansky spews:

    @7….what books? I do not advocate banning any books

    strawman attack defeated. epic fail registered.

  6. 10

    Max Rockatansky spews:


    well if thats your reasoning, then lets ban sneezing and coughing too!

    and if you are worried that much about TB, then lets kick out all the illegals, they are the ones bringing it across the border….

    and remember, we got rid of TB in the US for DECADES without outlawing spitting…..if you are worried about TB, perhaps you should address why it is making a comeback here: illegal immigration.

    as for the rest of your post – its too stupid to even address….comparing spitting with shit and piss? really?

    are you that much of a pussy? damn…

    guess we better outlaw birds shitting in the park as well….bird shit carries all kinds of nasty stuff.

    lets also outlaw mouse shit in the park…after all, mouse shit carries diseases too….

    you know, lets just outlaw everything, that we can all be “safe”.

    damn, you urban types are such scared little pussies….

  7. 11

    MikeBoyScout spews:

    @9 Max Rockatansky 01/16/2010 at 9:33 am,

    you urban types are such scared little pussies….

    You mean like one too scared to answer 8 questions?

    Ok, let’s see if you can tackle this one.

    guess we better outlaw birds shitting in the park as well….bird shit carries all kinds of nasty stuff.

    lets also outlaw mouse shit in the park…after all, mouse shit carries diseases too….

    i) True or False, laws mandating you clean up your pet’s defecation are exactly the same as laws imposed upon birds and mice from defecating?

  8. 12

    Max Rockatansky spews:

    @11..oh but mikey, your reasoning in your first post has to do with public safety. If bird and mouse poop carries diseases, shouldnt we eradicate them? I mean after all, we have to protect our helpless public! lets propose that we let hunters shoot all the birds in the parks! we will all be safe from diseases!

    and hey, since baseball, football, and other large stadiums are public owned, shouldnt we outlaw spitting by football players, baseball players, hockey players too!

    and lets outlaw spitting on the football and baseball fields of our high schools too!

    now remember, public safety was not the reason seattle parks dept proposed this new law – they proposed it because a bunch of office workers thought it was gross. what better way to make public policy!

    you limp wristed, lisp talking urban types are a funny lot…maybe we should have outlawed ass raping by gay men in bathouses – think of all the disease spreading we could have prevented…

  9. 13

    MikeBoyScout spews:

    @12 Max Rockatansky 01/16/2010 at 10:13 am

    @11..oh but mikey, your reasoning in your first post has to do with public safety.

    Yes, that post where you were asked 8 questions, but won’t attempt to answer.

    If bird and mouse poop carries diseases, shouldnt we eradicate them?

    It would be nice to think this is a rhetorical question for which you knew the answer.

    and hey, since baseball, football, and other large stadiums are public owned, shouldnt we outlaw spitting by football players, baseball players, hockey players too!

    Ok, let’s see if you can tackle this question.

    j) True or False, children often play on the field during professional baseball and football games?

    you limp wristed, lisp talking urban types are a funny lot…maybe we should have outlawed ass raping by gay men in bathouses –

    It’s called projection, and it is funny on the internet.

  10. 14

    Proud To Be An Ass spews:

    Max claims, “strawman attack defeated. epic fail registered.”

    Sorry, but no. You do not even appear to know what a strawman argument is. Just answer the question: Why do so many conservatives favor banning books?

    I am not suprise you will not answer this simple question, or any of Mike’s either. Simply put, you are dishonest.

  11. 15


    Mr Cynical @ 5

    Rupert-owned Wall Street Journal publishes a hit peice written by Rupert-owned Fox News consultants defending a Republican financed pollster.

    No conflict of interest there.

    Nice work.



  12. 18

    Max Rockatansky spews:

    progressive lawmaking agenda:

    make pot legal

    make spitting illegal.

    …its for the children…..

  13. 19


    Mr Cynical @ before

    I posted my notion for how to better measure unemployment (ratio of total worker hours to actual work). You noted that my notion doesn’t account for people working for less money. Say, for example, electrical engineers flipping burgers.

    I’ve chewed on this. My notion is to track track wages, up or down.

    Calculate total US payroll. All salary, wages, benefits to everyone. Track it over time. Break it out by sector.

    Individuals tracking their own payroll (like the SSA does) can see how they’re doing, by comparison.


  14. 20

    Max Rockatansky spews:

    @14….what books are you talking about?

    the only book I see repeatedly attacked and removed from public places is the bible…and dont think its conservatives pushing that agenda.

    liberals are control freaks…they prove it all the time – from items like CAO to spitting in parks…..

  15. 21

    Max Rockatansky spews:

    @17…is the pro-cigarette “pseudo science” related to the pro-pot “pseudo science”?

  16. 22

    Max Rockatansky spews:

    “outlaw spitting in parks to prevent TB spread”….I wonder if you people realize how batshit crazy that is.

    but hey, living in the urban jungle not only turns men into limp wristed pussies, it also turns their brains to mush – or so it would appear.

  17. 24


    Hmmm.. A fella takes his family to the park. They lay out the blanket, break out the picnic treats, enjoy the outdoors..

    The kids frolic in the grass..

    That a miserable, knee-jerk, Seattle-hating right winger has just spit in..


    Just as with the irresponsible idiot who lets his dog off leash to crap and piss where ever and/or jump on a kid – the moron should get a ticket.. That is if a cop is ever around.. Well cell phones were made for that I guess.

  18. 26

    Gordon spews:

    I fear the liberals approach the climate debate far too cerebrally. This particular piece, just on the surface is lacking in emotive force. If you really believe that the earth is imperiled then where is the emotion.? As far as logic and reasoning goes sure all the arguments make sense. But as a rhetorical exercise this video utterly fails. A little more sophistry is in order and I don’t mean that ironically. I mean that in the finest Greek tradition that so irritated the platonists.

    We live in a post-literate age. Moving pictures, and immediacy are the game. People can’t understand the climate debate in an abstract and incremental sense. It has to be made meaningful. And the way to make something meaningful in a post-literate society is to make it immediate, palpable.

    This is a matter of life and death, not winning some points on “truth” in a amateur debate class.

  19. 27

    proud leftist spews:

    The video clip is well worth watching. There is a certain irony in the persistent claims of the global warming denial crowd that the theory is a hoax given what the video clip exposes as a concerted fraudulent effort on the part of the deniers to conceal the reality of global warming. Wingnuts hate facts but good hoaxes warm their teeny little hearts.

  20. 28

    Max Rockatansky spews:

    @24…LMFAO….what a strange world your mind lives in.

    You really do have the mind and thought process of a child, YLB…

  21. 29

    Max Rockatansky spews:

    @24….are you going to apply for the position of Seattle Parks Dept Spit Patrol??

    hey, you might actually be able to get a job with that title!

  22. 30


    Gordon @ 26

    We know.

    George Lakoff noted that years ago. Alas, his observations aren’t actionable.


    David Domke and Crispin Thurlow teach progressives how to do this in their Speaking Americanese seminars. Highest possible recommendation; give up a kidney, if you have to, it’s that good.

    Please note that the crony capitalists spend 100s of millions of dollars each year funding the propaganda machine. Most famously, Frank Luntz.

    In a way, it’s heartening to know that it costs billions of dollars to con Americans to vote against their own self-interest. That’s a testimony to how deeply our principles of fairness and compassion are rooted.

    We have nothing of that scale on the left.

    What we do have is numbers. Learn from Lakoff, Domke, Thurlow. Practice your messaging. (The trogs who haunt forums like HA are good fodder. They faithfully spew the daily right wing talking points.)

    Then teach others.

  23. 31


    Maxwell @ everywhere

    I admire your spirited defense of your right to spit in public parks.

    It’s a slippery slope.

    First, people who use chewing tobacco will have to use cups. Then, before you know it, those evil progressives will implant your women and children with RFID tags, monitoring their every thought and movement.

    You are a hero of the republic. Truly.



  24. 32

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    Jason @ 19–

    Calculate total US payroll. All salary, wages, benefits to everyone. Track it over time. Break it out by sector.

    I think that’s a pretty good indicator.
    If you follow-up on this, break it down into Private and Public Sector employees.
    If you compare 5 years ago to now…I’m pretty sure you will find much larger increases in the PUBLIC sector.
    This is unsustainable.
    Don’t you think??

  25. 33

    Michael spews:


    Why are progressives such control freaks?
    Moonbat Progressive proposed law of the week: the seattle park dept is proposing to outlaw spitting at all parks – including playfields. really?!?!?!

    Um… I’m a progressive and I think a spitting ban would be a stupid waste of time, that gay people should be able to marry, that pot should be legal, I supported the Death with Dignity Act, I support the right to home school. And I’m a control freak???

    From Wikipedia:

    Progressivism is a political and social term for ideologies and movements favoring or advocating changes or reform, usually in an egalitarian direction for economic policies (public management) and liberal direction for social policies. Progressivism is often viewed in opposition to conservative ideologies.

    Liberalizing social policies is an antonym to being a control freak.

  26. 34

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    I spent the day working on Quilt squares for a group called Quilts of Valor.

    It was a great experience. I am NOT a sewing machine kind of guy…never used one. But I’m trainable.
    Our local chapter has completed & delivered 76 quilts. Out friends went to Germany last year and delivered 8 at the Base where seriously injured soldiers are transported. It was a life-changing experience.
    One of the soldiers subsequently died.
    His family sent a letter that was gut-wrenching.
    They received the quilt a week or AFTER their son’s burial. It meant a lot to them.

    There has to be a Seattle area Chapter.
    Do it.

  27. 35

    Michael spews:


    My mom’s a big quilter and knows all sorts of other quilter people, I’ll email her a link to QOV.

  28. 36

    Mr. Cynical spews:


    A crusty old golfer comes in from a round of golf at a new course and heads into the grill room. As he passes through the swinging doors he sees a sign hanging over the bar:
    COLD BEER: $2.00
    HAMBURGER: $2.25
    HAND JOB: $50.00

    Checking his wallet to be sure he has the necessary payment, the old golfer walks up to the bar and beckons to the exceptionally attractive female
    bartender who is serving drinks to a couple of sun-wrinkled golfers. She glides down behind the bar to the old golfer.
    “Yes?” she inquires with a wide, knowing smile, “May I help you?”

    The old golfer leans over the bar, “I was wondering, young lady,” he whispers, “Are you the one who gives the hand-jobs? ”

    She looks into his eyes with that wide smile and purrs: “Yes Sir, I sure am”

    The old golfer leans closer and into her left ear whispers softly, “Well, wash your hands real damn good, cause I want a cheeseburger.”

  29. 37

    proud leftist spews:

    Cynical @ 36
    I can chuckle at that one. None of your usual racism there. You probably cleaned it up for this audience, but, whatever, not a bad joke.

  30. 40


    33 – It probably is a waste of time. Look at the leash laws. People in Seattle Parks let their dogs run off leash all the time. There’s hardly anyone around to enforce the laws. I’ve seen maybe one ticket given out in 18 years.

  31. 41

    Puddybud Likes Flying Dutchmen spews:

    Epic fail again ylb arschloch@25. Such feckless commentary.

    You are a real waste of time! Don’t stop watching that Daily Kos TV horseshit. That’s an order.

  32. 42

    Puddybud Likes Flying Dutchmen spews:

    Remember Goldy’s commentary on Haiti? No? You mean you forgot it already? Well those peeps making “awfully bad choices” as the well as Odumba’s response on Haiti has elevated his latest poll numbas. Odumba did the right thing for once.

    Wait until the health care bill comes back to the forefront or Odumba does some more stupid stuff and his numbas will drop again.

  33. 43

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    35. Michael spews:

    My mom’s a big quilter and knows all sorts of other quilter people, I’ll email her a link to QOV.

    Great….and go with her.
    It will be a bonding/memory opportunity that later in life you will covet.

  34. 44

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    Here are Obam-Mao’s elevated poll numbers–

    Sunday, January 17, 2010

    The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Sunday shows that 27% of the nation’s voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Thirty-nine percent (39%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -12

    Obam-Mao needs Hugo Chavez and Danny Glover as his stupidity czars.

  35. 46

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    The Dems should have easily won the Mass Senate seat.
    Republican’s have brilliantly made it a National referendum on health care.
    It is very close.

    However it is clearly an indicator on the 2010 elections.

    If Dems lose……………ouch.

  36. 47

    YLB spews:

    41 – What’s the matter Stupes? You don’t appreciate one of your hall of fame moments?

    A fool like you can’t even see that your buddy Max is calling you limp-wristed?

    I so love laughing at you and your tribe fiend.

  37. 48

    YLB spews:

    Feckless commentary?? Interesting..

    Let’s go over the record for the umpteenth time..

    Your commentary won the Governor’s election contest for Dino Lossi in 2005?

    Your commentary was instrumental in the victory of I-912 right?

    Your commentary helped the woman abuser David Irons Jr depose Ron Sims?

    Your commentary here helped dozens of corrupt Republicans keep their jobs in Nov 2006?

    Your commentary prevented a female San Francisco liberal from taking Denny Hastert’s job? Denny who you say?

    Your commentary helped Dino Lossi win re-election?

    Your commentary was the crucial to election of birther freak right winger Alan Keyes over the pretender to the throne not so right wing Barack Obama?

    Your commentary put quitter Sarah Palin one heartbeat away from the big chair?

    Wow Stupes. What powerful commentary!

  38. 49

    Puddybud Likes Flying Dutchmen spews:

    Bring it fool! You spent such “precious time” providing Goldy a free backup wasting time and space.

    What a feckless fool! Like your comments mean something arschloch?

  39. 50

    YLB spews:

    I don’t get it fiend – didn’t you appreciate my glowing review of your peerless commentary?

    Didn’t your commentary also propel Tom “Bugman” DeLay to win Dancing with the Stars?

    Didn’t your wonderful commentary help Mark Foley score with barely legal male flesh?

    Didn’t your commentary keep Duke Cunningham naked in his grime-rimmed hotub filled with polluted water straight from the Potomac?

    Man Stupes your commentary has such incredible powers!

  40. 51

    Puddybud Likes Flying Dutchmen spews:

    Moving on to interesting stuff…

    Here is ylb arschloch’s friend Ed Shultz… Gotta catch this fool on the ‘Nets cuz he’s as worthless as a ylb arschloch and a job

  41. 52

    Puddybud Likes Flying Dutchmen spews:

    As Puddy said above, you’ve wasted precious time creating a “backup” to HA, providing Goldy a free service. Did Goldy hire you? Is he paying you a living wage?

  42. 53


    Stupes your commentary here in the HA comment threads influences policy makers and shakers globally even universally:

    Didn’t your commentary convince the world that able danger and the gorelick wall proved that 9/11 was all Bill Clinton’s fault?

    Didn’t your commentary convince the world that Hilary Clinton’s aim in life is to sterilize black men?

    Didn’t your commentary convince the nation that there’s a Democratic party conspiracy with Planned Parenthood as its instrument that puts a gun to the head of black women to have abortions?

    Didn’t your commentary make everyone nod their heads in unison over your analysis of Mattel’s cheap labor liberal plot to poison American children? Yes, indeed Stupes – you spoke and so many listened!

    Wow Stupes that’s some effective commentary of yours!

  43. 54

    lebowski spews:

    Ed Schultz is a wackadoodle who is only after enlarging his own wallet.

    he is the left’s version of glenn beck.

  44. 56

    Max Rockatansky spews:

    @55…and then you have mindless zombies like YLB who believe everything they hear on air america or pacifica…

    you are a real wackadoodle yourself YLB – one only has to read your zany posts to come to that conclusion.

  45. 57


    56 – Oh I clearly see that you’re a cut above the typical right wing crowd Max.

    For example I really like your recent “ideas” on taxation.

    They demonstrate the workings of a supremely idiotic right wing mind.

  46. 58

    Max Rockatansky spews:

    @57….perhaps you could explain your position on the tax matter…can you do that?

  47. 59


    58 – I believe in progressive taxation. I believe it’s the fairest system ever devised.

    The poorest among us CANNOT simply just CAN”T pay the same tax rate as the richest person. It’s not fair. The poor need every cent they earn just to survive. And it goes on from there, a middle class person needs to keep up his/her house, save up for their kids’ college, orthodonture, whatnot – no way can they pay at the same rate a rich person can.

    If government operations were a tiny fraction of what they are now – even THEN – the income tax could only be paid by persons of means. There’s no way you can justify the unfairness of levying the same taxation rate on a poor struggling slob as you would on a billionaire. And indeed that’s the way the first income taxes levied were paid.

    The so-called FAIR tax (a lie) would be easily avoided and would jack up the prices of everything. It would be a disaster. The income tax for all its warts is the best system we’ve been able to come up with.

    You think taxes are too high? Fine. The biggest discretionary spending item in the Federal budget is defense – that’s where you cut. Our military spending is greater than the next umpteen countries combined. It’s pretty hard to justify that. Social Security? Forget it. The chimp you voted for twice tried to gut it and failed. Medicare? Dream on fool.. The townhall screamers last summer bellowed to their Congress Critters to keep their grubby socialist hands off their Medicare.

    Go figure..

    Bottom line – the flat tax is a fool’s dream. It means yet another tax cut for the rich and a tax increase on the poor. It means the tax rate on the income of the migrant farm worker is the same as that of Wall Street Bank CEO. Makes no sense whatsoever. Let the Wall Street guy pay for the fancy Pentagon weapons system and the wars of choice. Leave the migrant farm worker or the waitress working for tips + the minimum wage (if she’s lucky) alone to keep their heads above water.