No. Really. This time he has. About an hour ago, Egypt’s new vice president appeared on state television and announced that Mubarak is out, and power temporarily resides with the Supreme Council of Egypt’s armed forces. This after millions of people poured into Egypt’s streets today.
There are a lot of questions moving forward, of course. But for the moment, there are wild celebrations in Egypt, and a spring in the step of freedom-loving people around the world.
Interesting, but understandable, to hear people cheering about a military coup.
We have Egyptian friends and have been worried about their safety. It appears that the process of change has now begun.
The people we know in Egypt are intelligent people who are perfectly capable of making decisions for their own futures.
I would trust them to make good decisions. They have done well so far under difficult and dangerous conditions to bring about the opportunity for change. Don’t assume they expect
to relax and divert their attention now while the process takes place.
So the teabaggers in Egypt overthrew the government? I thought the bloggers of HA always preached against that.
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Fuck you, Troll. Egypt’s equivalent of Teabaggers are paramilitary thugs.
So you’re admitting they’re teabaggers, Troll? Didn’t you get Glenn’s memo? They’re Islamo-socialist-fascists planning to bring back the caliphate by pulling down our friends.
Do try to stay on message.
If HA has taught me anything, it’s that angry citizens who are against the government are teabaggers. So how are the angry, rock-throwing, government-overthrowing citizens in Egypt not teabaggers?
Poor silly Troll – last I looked Mubarak’s comparative approval rating wasn’t anywhere near Obama’s.
Obama is probably still beating Raygun at this point in his term in office.
The teabaggers in sheer numbers of support is smaller in size than the Muslim Brotherhood is in Egypt. Teabaggers are about 11 percent of voters in the U.S. and Muslim Brotherhood would bring 20-30 percent in Egypt.
The Muslim Brotherhood is a bunch of old guys in their 40’s and 50’s if not older. They were late to the party in this uprising and when Mubarak recently repressed worker strikes a while back they were hardly anywhere to be seen.
Muslim Brotherhood – Teabaggers – striking parallels.
Aah! Enjoy your Ceaușescu moment Egypt. On to Truth and Reconciliation.
The Teabaggers were the guys running Egypt for the last 30 years. The fact millions of Egyptians are cheering a military coup tells you how bad they were.
Corrected!
Anyone here who thinks the Teabaggers wouldn’t institute a repressive government with pervasive surveillance and arbitrary arrests and detentions of liberals if they could please raise your right hand.
@10 The funny thing is people who say they’re for smaller government never are. See, e.g., Nixon, Reagan, Bush43, etc.
I come to HA to learn about politics. So please teach me. Let me see if I have this straight now. So now angry citizens who want a change in government are not teabaggers?
13 – Troll you are “angered” by Goldy.
You are “angered” by people of color who use tactics that you don’t bat an eye at when they are used by white teabaggers funded by the Koch brothers.
And you are “delighted” when police state tactics like beatings are employed against people of color.
Your kind of “anger” is not well liked by many here at HA.
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I’m just trying to figure out if angry citizens who dislike the government are teabaggers or not. It’s a yes or no question.
The people of Egypt were brave and intelligent and brave again x 10. Something a bagger never would be or could be, for that matter.
One thing for certain, Egyptians, even though 40% live below poverty rates, are a hell of a lot more worldly, smart and sophisticated than someone like troll and his ilk of rebels without a cause.
Troll,
There is a world of difference between people whose anger toward the government is irrational, misplaced, directed by elites (Koch brothers), and poorly articulated and those whose anger toward the government is well-founded, entirely justifiable, focused, and purposeful. The Teabaggers’ grievances are the product of a failure to achieve adulthood. The Egyptians have pulled off a remarkable accomplishment–a peaceful revolution against a despot in a country with a strong army. Teabaggers here would have been out shooting the Egyptian protesters.
Troll: As my old political science professor once (somewhat impatiently) told us freshman, you can’t take a political event, situation, movement, labels, etc., and simply apply it to another country. At the time he was discussing the attempts by the Afgans to overthrow their Soviet-backed government in 1975, and cautioning us not to apply our recent experiences in Vietnam to an analysis of the Afganistan situation.
So any attempt to apply the current “Tea Party” label in the U.S. to the situation in Egypt is rather laughable. We have a democracy in the U.S., where the system provides for regular, non-violent transfers of power between competing political groups. Attempts by the Tea Party to reform the Republican Party itself, or to field their own candidates for office under the Republican brand, are contemplated within that system.
But Egypt is a completely different matter. It has not been a democracy for the past thirty years, and you could argue that it has never been a true democracy. So the attempt to apply the Tea Party label hardly fits.
Mubarak used the Emergency Powers provisions to suppress dissent over everything from wages, food, bribery, religious or idelological ideas, or democratic principles. Now it’s all come to a boil, and the pot has exploded. The people in the square all seem to have a yearning for a true democracy, and a strong desire to see Mubarak go, but beyond that their agenda is all over the place. Over the next weeks and months we will see a struggle between these groups as they struggle to obtain dominance in any future Egyptian system.
“If HA has taught me anything”
You arrived here stupid. You are still stupid. Maybe you should return to your original act, tired as it was, of babbling about “niggars”. That was more your speed. And who knows? Maybe the black psycho-freak wingnut who writes in the third person will come back and show you some more love for hating on his race.
Teabaggers here would here been lining up for jobs in Mubarak’s secret police.
Troll,
You may need quite a bit of assistance from your mommy to understand rhp6033’s reply @ 18.
Let me just add that, even ignoring that the countries, the political situations, and the socioeconomic situations are different enough to render your question childish babble, you have engaged in a classic logical error known as “deductive fallacy.”
When you get older, you may be able to take a class in symbolic logic and learn about these things, but here is the gist.
You imply the syllogism:
1. All Teabaggers are angry citizens who are against the government.
2. The Egyptians protesters are angry citizens who are against their government.
3. Therefore, the Egyptian protesters are Teabaggers.
The conclusion is not supported by the premises. An analogous fallacy would be:
1. All cars have four wheels
2. Troll’s lil’ red wagon has four wheels
3. Therefore Troll’s lil’ red wagon is a car.
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You just wrote a lot of words. And I’m not sure what your point was. So let me ask you this … are you now saying that there is nothing more patriotic and nobel than opposing the government?
Darryl, if you and others are running this blog now maybe we can loosen up the banning rules so we can rid ourselves of the terminally stupid.
lol. Several people provide careful precise explanations why troll’s question is stupid, and troll’s response is to ask the same question again. What a moron.
Oh yeah, and xar up there @ #1 thinks that tens to hundreds of thousands of ordinary people out in the streets for two weeks is a “military coup”. More lulz.
@22:
There is nothing more patriotic than standing up for principals that you actually hold, understand, and can correctly apply to your situation.
The difference between the average Tea Partier and the average protester in Egypt is simple: the average Egyptian protester has a legitimate, well-understood, actual greivances. The average Tea Partier (not all, but most) has NO clue what they’re angry about, don’t understand the “arguments” they’re making, and don’t have a legitimate complaint about most of the things they’re belly-aching about. False equivalency, Troll.
@25: Rob–When the President only steps down because a military council directs him to, it’s a military coup. Of course it was supported by the protesters, but the protests themselves weren’t enough to oust him. And the military is now in control. What is that, if not a (bloodless) military coup? It’s not a bad thing, either. Militar coups aren’t always bad. See, e.g., Thailand.
Troll @ 22
“You just wrote a lot of words.”
Yes…there are a lot of words there. Have you learned to count that high?
“And I’m not sure what your point was.”
Maybe your mommy can explain it to you.
“So let me ask you this … are you now saying that there is nothing more patriotic and nobel than opposing the government?”
You are pitifully confused–beyond even superficial comprehension.
I’ve made no comments whatsoever about patriotism, noble actions, for or against protesters etc. Rather, my comment pointed out that you were committing a logical error. And note that I am not commenting one way or the other on your opinion—just your failure to engage in the kind of sound logic necessary for an intelligent discussion.
You are little more than a babbling child here.
“So let me ask you this … are you now saying that there is nothing more patriotic and nobel than opposing the government?”
It depends on the government, whether there are orderly ways of changing the government within the system, and the means of opposition employed.
That should be pretty obvious. Trying to force a yes/no answer which can be applied across the board is patently ridiculous, given the different situations in each country.
While a nobel is noble, a noble is only extremely rarely a nobel. Which is it; Y & N?