Liveblogging the cheddar uprising

6:30: The polls closed at 6:00 West coast time, so the results are slowly trickling in. As of 6:30, the advantage goes to the Republicans, who lead in every race with a small proportion of the precincts reporting.

You can follow the results here or here.

In a normal election I would point out that early returns typically favor Republicans. But this is no normal election!

6:50: Hmmm…the 32nd Senate District between Kapanke (R) and Shilling (D) is now a tie with 21% reporting. (But no time stamp change?) Kapanke is considered the most vulnerable of the six Republicans undergoing a recall.

6:55: Another results page.

6:57: Results are given as cool graphs here. (Well…they’ll be cool when more results come in anyway.)

6:59: With 24% reporting, Kapanke (R) surges to +2….

7:12: And with 26% reporting, Shilling (D) surges back to lead Kapanke by +2.

7:15: With 67% reporting in the 2nd senate district, Cowles (R) is leading Nusbaum (D) 59% to 41%. Cowles is obviously going to win. This is a seat that nobody thought was winnable for Democrats anyway.

7:19…in fact, I just saw a Tweet saying the AP has called it for Cowles. Score: Democrats 1, Republicans 1.

7:29: The Harsdorf (R)-Moore (D) race in the 10th district has been called for Harsdorf. Again, no surprise in this race.

7:34: In district 8, with 18% reporting, Pasch (D) is leading Darling (R) 57% to 43%.

7:36: Back in the 32nd, with 45% reporting, Shilling now leads Kapanke 53% to 47%. If results hold, Dems will take two seats away from the Republicans.

7:42: In the 18th, with 19% reporting, King (D) leads Hopper (R) by less than 1%. The exact tally: King 7,464, Hopper, 7,368.

7:54: With 95% reporting in district 14, I think we can call Olsen (R) over Clark (D). The score is 54% to 46%. This gives Republicans three wins. One Democratic incumbent is safe (from a previous election). The three remaining races tonight are the ones people thought would be close. Two look favorable for the Democrats and one is exceedingly close.

8:15: The race in the 32nd has now been called for Shilling (D). The current total is Shilling 55, Kapanke (R) 45% with 82% reporting.

8:37: In the 18th, King (D) now leas Hopper (R) by 27,123 to 25,951, which is 51% to 49%. That is with 97% of precincts reporting.

8:17: With 87% reporting in the 18th, the race remains incredibly close with King (D) 24,458 leading Hopper (R) 24,321.

8:31: Now with 63% reporting in the 8th, Pasch’s (D) lead over Darling (R) has shrunk to 51% to 49%.

Comments

  1. 1

    LD spews:

    The Cheddar state is going to give the “Thumbs Up” to Republicans limiting the massive spending on Public employees. Worked in the past, not in this economy.

    Sorry, watch for cuts in your town soon….you won’t have a choice!

  2. 2

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    The cheddar uprising is more of a cheese fart. No way are the Democrats gonna get 3 seats tonight. Can’t be done.

    District 2: Cowles (R) 59%, Nussbaum (D) 41% (67% of precincts)
    District 8: Darling (R) 71%, Pasch (D) 29 % (9% of precincts)
    District 10: Harsdorf (R) 58%, Moore (D) 42% (58% of precincts)
    District 14: Olsen (R) 55%, Clark (D) 45 % (47% of precincts)
    District 18: Hopper (R) 52%, King (D) 48% (8% of precincts)
    District 32: Kapanke (R) 49%, Shilling (D) 51% (26% of precincts)

  3. 3

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    I’m not sure what’s going on. Several possible explanations. One that pops into my head is voters feel these elections were already held and don’t like recalls, period. Another possibility is it’s a backlash against the protests.

  4. 4

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Wisconsin Election – 9:06 PM (CDT) Update

    GOP leads in 5 races, Democrats lead in 1 race

    District 2: Cowles (R) 59%, Nussbaum (D) 41% (76% of precincts)
    District 8: Darling (R) 551%, Pasch (D) 45 % (15% of precincts)
    District 10: Harsdorf (R) 58%, Moore (D) 42% (62% of precincts)
    District 14: Olsen (R) 55%, Clark (D) 45 % (48% of precincts)
    District 18: Hopper (R) 53%, King (D) 47% (15% of precincts)
    District 32: Kapanke (R) 49%, Shilling (D) 51% (26% of precincts)

    It’s a little too soon to call it, but I will be very surprised if the Democrats get more than 2 seats tonight, and it looks like it’s going to be 1 seat, if that much.

  5. 6

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @3 District 8 is a typo; Pasch, the Democrat, now leads there. Democrats are ahead in 2 races, with 1 race still in play.

  6. 7

    LD spews:

    Roger, it’s backlash against the massive public wages, benefits, and retirement plans of public employees, while the private sector is getting screwed out of all of these benefits, as well as an economy where everyone is losing their ass.

  7. 8

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Wisconsin Election – 9:23 PM (CDT) Update

    GOP leads in 5 races, Democrats lead in 1 race

    District 2: Cowles (R) 58%, Nussbaum (D) 42% (81% of precincts)
    District 8: Darling (R) 43%, Pasch (D) 57 % (18% of precincts)
    District 10: Harsdorf (R) 58%, Moore (D) 42% (75% of precincts)
    District 14: Olsen (R) 54%, Clark (D) 46 % (78% of precincts)
    District 18: Hopper (R) 53%, King (D) 47% (15% of precincts)
    District 32: Kapanke (R) 46%, Shilling (D) 54% (45% of precincts)

    It’s not over yet. Republicans have kept at least 3 seats, but they need 4, and for the Democrats everything now depends on District 18, where the returns are still very incomplete. Kapanke and Darling are GOP losers. Darling is a big fish and a nice consolation prize.

  8. 9

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @5 Oops, correction, GOP leads in 3 races, Democrats lead in 2 races, 1 race is too early to say.

  9. 10

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Wisconsin Election – 9:26 PM (CDT) Update

    GOP leads in 3 races, Democrats lead in 3 races

    District 2: Cowles (R) 58%, Nussbaum (D) 42% (81% of precincts)
    District 8: Darling (R) 43%, Pasch (D) 57 % (18% of precincts)
    District 10: Harsdorf (R) 58%, Moore (D) 42% (75% of precincts)
    District 14: Olsen (R) 54%, Clark (D) 46 % (78% of precincts)
    District 18: Hopper (R) 50%, King (D) 50% (19% of precincts)
    District 32: Kapanke (R) 46%, Shilling (D) 54% (45% of precincts)

    A cliffhanger! King has a sliver of a lead in District 18. Democrats need 3 seats to flip the Senate, and right now they’re got ‘em, by the hairiest of margins.

  10. 11

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Kapanke (R) and Darling (R) are kaput. Here are the votes in District 18 with 19% of the precincts tallied:

    King (D) 7464
    Hopper (R) 7368

    Everything now hinges on King maintaining her lead. If she does, the Dems have to win both of their seats back next Tuesday. If the Dems can do all this, Gov. Walker has lost the state senate!

  11. 12

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Forget the other races and watch King in District 18 — this will determine the outcome.

  12. 13

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Well, we probably should keep an eye on Darling in District 8, too, because only 18% is counted there.

  13. 15

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Wisconsin Election – 9:38 PM (CDT) Update

    GOP leads in 3 races, Democrats lead in 3 races

    District 2: Cowles (R) 58%, Nussbaum (D) 42% (86% of precincts)
    District 8: Darling (R) 44%, Pasch (D) 56 % (30% of precincts)
    District 10: Harsdorf (R) 58%, Moore (D) 42% (76% of precincts)
    District 14: Olsen (R) 54%, Clark (D) 46 % (94% of precincts)
    District 18: Hopper (R) 52%, King (D) 48% (23% of precincts)
    District 32: Kapanke (R) 46%, Shilling (D) 54% (51% of precincts)

    We did it!!! We fucking did it!!! Democrats win control of Wisconsin state senate!!!

  14. 19

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Pasch in District 8 still looks solid with 39% in; I don’t think we have to worry about that one.

  15. 21

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Wisconsin Election – 9:50 PM (CDT) Update

    GOP now leads in 4 races, Democrats lead in 2 races

    District 2: Cowles (R) 58%, Nussbaum (D) 42% (90% of precincts)
    District 8: Darling (R) 44%, Pasch (D) 56 % (39% of precincts)
    District 10: Harsdorf (R) 58%, Moore (D) 42% (82% of precincts)
    District 14: Olsen (R) 54%, Clark (D) 46 % (95% of precincts)
    District 18: Hopper (R) 51%, King (D) 49% (79% of precincts)
    District 32: Kapanke (R) 45%, Shilling (D) 55% (82% of precincts)

    A big update in District 18 puts King (D) behind, but it’s very close, and still very winnable. Not time to cry yet.

  16. 22

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    In District 18, with 79% reporting, the tally is:

    Hopper (R) 22,788
    King (D) 22,212

  17. 25

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Wisconsin Election – 9:59 PM (CDT) Update

    GOP now leads in 4 races, Democrats lead in 2 races

    District 2: Cowles (R) 58%, Nussbaum (D) 42% (92% of precincts)
    District 8: Darling (R) 44%, Pasch (D) 56 % (40% of precincts)
    District 10: Harsdorf (R) 58%, Moore (D) 42% (85% of precincts)
    District 14: Olsen (R) 53%, Clark (D) 47 % (98% of precincts)
    District 18: Hopper (R) 50%, King (D) 50% (79% of precincts)
    District 32: Kapanke (R) 45%, Shilling (D) 55% (82% of precincts)

  18. 27

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Wisconsin Election – 10:08 PM (CDT) Update

    GOP now leads in 4 races, Democrats lead in 2 races

    District 2: Cowles (R) 58%, Nussbaum (D) 42% (92% of precincts)
    District 8: Darling (R) 42%, Pasch (D) 58 % (57% of precincts)
    District 10: Harsdorf (R) 58%, Moore (D) 42% (97% of precincts)
    District 14: Olsen (R) 52%, Clark (D) 48 % (1008% of precincts)
    District 18: Hopper (R) 50%, King (D) 50% (79% of precincts)
    District 32: Kapanke (R) 45%, Shilling (D) 55% (82% of precincts)

  19. 29

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Shit, with 63% in, Pasch (D) now leads Darling (R) by only 51% – 49% in District 8.

  20. 31

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Wisconsin Election – 10:29 PM Update

    GOP have won 3 races, Democrats have won 2 and lead in 1

    District 2: Cowles (R) 58%, Nussbaum (D) 42% (93% of precincts)
    District 8: Darling (R) 49%, Pasch (D) 51 % (63% of precincts)
    District 10: Harsdorf (R) 58%, Moore (D) 42% (98% of precincts)
    District 14: Olsen (R) 52%, Clark (D) 48 % (1008% of precincts)
    District 18: Hopper (R) 50%, King (D) 50% (79% of precincts)
    District 32: Kapanke (R) 45%, Shilling (D) 55% (82% of precincts)

  21. 33

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Wisconsin Election – 10:33 PM Update

    GOP have won 3 races, Democrats have won 2 and lead in 1

    District 2: Cowles (R) 58%, Nussbaum (D) 42% (93% of precincts)
    District 8: Darling (R) 48%, Pasch (D) 52 % (67% of precincts)
    District 10: Harsdorf (R) 58%, Moore (D) 42% (98% of precincts)
    District 14: Olsen (R) 52%, Clark (D) 48 % (1008% of precincts)
    District 18: Hopper (R) 49%, King (D) 51% (97% of precincts)
    District 32: Kapanke (R) 45%, Shilling (D) 55% (82% of precincts)

  22. 34

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    With 97% of precincts reporting, King looks pretty safe now, so we all gotta do is babysit Pasch in District 8 for a while longer.

    Jessica King (D) 27,123, 51%
    Randy Hopper (R) 25,951, 49%

  23. 35

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    WTMJ-TV in Milwaukee has called the election for King! It looks like the Democrats have done it, but we still need to watch District 8.

  24. 36

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Darryl’s updates are slower than mine. WTMJ-TV seems to have the fastest updates.

  25. 37

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    The TV station and newspaper (JSOnline) have called all the races except Pasch v. Darling in District 8.

  26. 38

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    With 68% of precincts reporting,

    Sandra Pasch (D) 23,804, 51%
    Alberta Darling (R) 22,693, 49%

  27. 39

    Michael spews:

    Just got back from taking one of my nieces to 4H. Everybody’s getting excited and ready for the Kitsap Fair.

    So, is the thinking here that voters are telling the folks behind the recalls to cut the crap?

  28. 40

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    In other news, Sen. Harry Reid has chosen Sen. Patty Murray to co-chair the congressional debt panel. The other Democrats are John Kerry and Max Baucus.

  29. 41

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @36 No, the Republicans have been ousted from control of the Wisconsin state senate — if the Democrats hold their two seats next Tuesday.

  30. 42

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Wisconsin Election – 11:06 PM Results – Darling Takes Lead :(

    District 2: Cowles (R) 59%, Nussbaum (D) 41% (94% of precincts)
    District 8: Darling (R) 52%, Pasch (D) 49 % (79% of precincts)
    District 10: Harsdorf (R) 58%, Moore (D) 42% (100% of precincts)
    District 14: Olsen (R) 52%, Clark (D) 48 % (100% of precincts)
    District 18: Hopper (R) 49%, King (D) 51% (100% of precincts)
    District 32: Kapanke (R) 44%, Shilling (D) 56% (90% of precincts)

    But it’s not over yet.

  31. 43

    Bob spews:

    @ 38

    You are more than a little premature. The Waukesha County data just now started rolling in. Darling is up about 2,600 and the remaining precincts are in her stronghold.

    $20,000,000 spent to change nothing in WI.

    Well done, Dem unions. Oh, and your dues aren’t coming in nearly as fast anymore, now that the state isn’t collecting them for you.

    Well played.

  32. 44

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @40 Well, right, Waukesha County is where the ballot bags have holes in them. Looks like Nickolaus has an opportunity to flip yet another critical election for the Rethugs.

  33. 45

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    In District 8, with 80% of precincts reporting,

    Alberta Darling (R) 31,404, 53%
    Sandra Pasch (D) 28,296, 47%

    If Darling wins this, it’s over for the Dems.

  34. 47

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    But there’s still 20% of the ballots out there (plus whatever Kathy Nickolaus is printing in the back room right now) …

  35. 50

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    That woman should be put into custodial detention until this election is certified!

  36. 51

    Bob spews:

    Waukesha went 77/23 for Prosser. Waukesha traditionally reports late. After what happened with the WI SC election, Waukesha was going to damn sure confirm that there were no holes in their data. It’s been known by people reading WI blogs and newspapers rather than pontificating in Seattle that Waukesha would report late and would swamp Pasch’s early lead.

    The fact that it makes you whine and cry foul just makes it that much more satisfying, Wabbit.

  37. 52

    Bob spews:

    If I may, since I think it is so well written, provide for your reading pleasure a comment by an althouse.blogspot.com reader, who wrote earlier this evening:

    Its amazing how the left has thrown EVERYTHING into these recall elections.

    I mean, think about it: in just a few short years, Dems in this state have lost the governorship, two US House seats, a US Senate seat, the state assembly, the state senate, and a state supreme court election. Not regaining the state senate tonight would be a crushing blow to the left in this state, and to the left nationally…Ive read that outside interests have poured about $10 million into these races.

    Ive predicted that Kapanke is the only recalled senator that loses on the GOP side tonight. And if that happens, the amount of money pissed away to win one state senate seat…amazing.

    And even if the Dems win the senate back tonight, what is going to change? Walker still has gotten everything he wanted, passed his budget…its utter foolishness.

    Its entertaining political theater that probably comes to a crashing halt tonight. Other than Kapanke’s district, all of the other districts in play are either leaning GOP or strong GOP, based on past elections. That being said, I think the close races will come down to just a few hundred votes.

    If/when Darling and Hopper are declared winners, I would like to see the reaction at the big party the Dems and union bosses are having in Madison tonight.

    The sad part of this is if the Dems lose tonight, this wont be the end. You can guarantee someone will sue. Somewhere. For something.

  38. 53

    spews:

    It’ll be a miracle if Pasch pulls it out.

    With the vote suppression machinery being put into place there, Walker’s recall will be a longshot.

    Oh well he’ll overreach more than he has already and that’ll be his and his miserable party’s undoing there.

    But not before a huge mess is made there.

    Well they wanted it – they sure as heck will get it now.

  39. 54

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Contrary to what Bob spews, even if Darling holds onto her seat, the recall effort wasn’t fruitless — two of Scott Walker’s rubberstamps are gone, the Thugs will have at most only a 1-seat advantage in the senate, and the Democrats only need to gain 1 more (instead of 3 more) in Nov. 2012.

  40. 55

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    And if even one GOP senator catches a cold, Scott Walker’s legislative agenda comes to a screeching halt.

  41. 56

    spews:

    I think it is so well written

    Althouse??? What a tool.. A Glenn Reynolds clone in WI.

    You can guarantee someone will sue. Somewhere. For something.

    It’s called fighting for your convictions. I guess only right wingers are allowed to do that. I’m sure Walker will find a way to ram that through his rubberstamp legislature.

  42. 57

    Bob spews:

    @50:

    First, there have been two viciously contested elections in WI this year, and after each the Dems did not achieve their goals.

    Second, Walker can’t be recalled for several more months. Since there are already tangible benefits to the changes he has made:

    http://www.jsonline.com/news/o.....39738.html

    and those benefits are likely to continue to accrue as more is known about what happens when unions lose collective bargaining rights, it may very well be a different landscape if city after city can demonstrate that they were able to preserve teachers rather than cutting teachers because of Walker’s success against unions.

    Third, it will be election season on a national scale, and there won’t be the same interest a full year later, after two unsuccessful efforts, on the part of Dem partisans.

    Fourth, unions who dropped $20,000,000 into today’s debacle won’t have that money to burn. They need to support The One, after all, and their dues collections are way down now that WI isn’t forcefully garnishing paychecks to do it for them.

    Game over, dude.

  43. 58

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    I think we should use germ warfare against them … heh! just kidding! That’s a GOP joke.

  44. 59

    Bob spews:

    @53:

    You should look at the bright side. Now, you have two MORE state senators who can run away when they see an unpleasant vote ahead of them!

    Or, to use your spin on that cowardly behavior, two MORE state senators who can ‘fight for their convictions’.

  45. 60

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Wisconsin Election – 11:45 PM Update

    GOP wins 3, Democrats win 2, 1 undecided

    District 2: Cowles (R) 60, Nussbaum (D) 40% (100% of precincts)
    District 8: Darling (R) 53%, Pasch (D) 47 % (82% of precincts)
    District 10: Harsdorf (R) 58%, Moore (D) 42% (100% of precincts)
    District 14: Olsen (R) 52%, Clark (D) 48 % (100% of precincts)
    District 18: Hopper (R) 49%, King (D) 51% (100% of precincts)
    District 32: Kapanke (R) 45%, Shilling (D) 55% (95% of precincts)

  46. 62

    Bob spews:

    @ 51:

    What’s your confidence level that the two Dem senators facing recall elections will be successful in fending it off?

    And, what were your predictions of tonight’s outcome, before 8pm WI time?

  47. 65

    spews:

    ‘fight for their convictions’.

    Like when the Republicans ignored the open meetings law?

    Next week the people who haven’t been tricked by Americans for Prosperity will pass judgment on the Dems’ tactics.

    They knew the risks.

  48. 67

    spews:

    63 – Every penny as I’m sure the Koch and DeVos funds were worth it to the right so wealthy WI residents and corporations could have tax cuts to “create jobs”.

    Just like the Bush tax cuts did so well on that score and continue to do so well.

  49. 68

    Bob spews:

    Crybaby 62:

    ¶13 It also is argued that the Act is invalid because the legislature did not follow certain notice provisions of the Open Meetings Law for the March 9, 2011 meeting of the joint committee on conference. It is argued that Wis. Stat. § 19.84(3) required 24 hours notice of that meeting and such notice was not given. It is undisputed that the legislature posted notices of the March 9, 2011 meeting of the joint committee on conference on three bulletin boards, approximately 1 hour and 50 minutes before the start of the meeting. In the posting of notice that was done, the legislature relied on its interpretation of its own rules of proceeding. The court declines to review the validity of the procedure used to give notice of the joint committee on conference….

    How long until you whine about Florida 2000?

  50. 69

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @59 You can read my prediction in the “Drinking Liberally” thread, comment #1, as follows:

    I feel pretty sure of 2 races, but the grand total could be anywhere from 2 to 4 seats flipping tonight.

    Both Democrats facing recall elections next week are popular incumbents facing flawed GOP challengers: In District 12, Kim Simac (R) is a “family values” hypocrite and property tax scofflaw; in District 22, Jonathan Steitz is a carpetbagging attorney who works for a corporate law firm in Chicago. While I don’t think anything can be taken for granted, the first Democratic senator to face recall easily defeated his GOP opponent, and I expect the Democrats to win both of next week’s elections.

  51. 70

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    With 83% of precincts reporting, Darling (R) has widened her lead to more than 4,000 votes (54%-46%).

  52. 73

    spews:

    Republicans have fought for a long time to deprive elderly, poor and young voters of their voting franchise.

    They’re going to get their wish in Wisconsin.

    That’s right wing “conviction”.

  53. 74

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Another point to remember, Bob, is that the Japs won at Pearl Harbor but they woke a sleeping giant.

  54. 75

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @53 “It’s called fighting for your convictions.”

    I prefer to call it “exposing fraud.” I mean, seriously, given Kathy Nickolaus’ record — why is she still an election administrator?

  55. 76

    Bob spews:

    @ 71

    “Japs”?

    Really?

    I guess it’s OK to be a bigot, as long as you’re a self-described progressive. It’s a different kind of bigotry.

    Pretty sure if I had written something like that, YLB would archive it and use it against me forever.

    How do you walk that back, Rabbit?

    What I will remember about your comment, Rabbit, is that you dropped your guard, and that 98% percent of your fellow progressives are embarrassed for you this evening.

    Well done, sir.

  56. 77

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @54 And what are those “benefits” Bob? Scott Walker’s idea of “balancing” the state budget is giving hundreds of millions of dollars in new tax breaks to his business supporters.

  57. 78

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    The “benefits” for Wisconsin residents will be that young people in that state, when contemplating college majors, will think twice about training for teaching or other public service careers.

  58. 80

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @73 “What I will remember about your comment, Rabbit, is that you dropped your guard, and that 98% percent of your fellow progressives are embarrassed for you this evening.”

    Let’s put it to a vote of HA readers.

  59. 82

    Bob spews:

    @ 77:

    Let’s try it another way:

    Japanese person = “Jap”, according to you.

    In the same crude, bigoted terminology, how would you describe:

    A Jew?

    A person of Hispanic descent?

    A person of African-American heritage?

    Really, Rabbit. You have no defense. Fucking bigot.

  60. 83

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @68(2) Wirch has won everything he ran for in that district since 1992. He won his current seat in 2008 with 67% of the vote. And his opponent is a Chicago lawyer. Good luck with that one.

  61. 85

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    In addition to calling the guys who bombed Pearl Harbor “Japanese” instead of “Japs,” do you think I should bow to them, too? Sorry, I’m not in that business.

  62. 86

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Well, as usual, Waukesha is the only county that hasn’t reported 100%, Kathy Nickolaus is stuck at 84%, but it takes time to fill out all those extra ballots, doesn’t it?

  63. 87

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    If anybody should be embarrassed, Alberta Darling should be embarrassed that her legitimacy rests on the reputation of someone like Nickolaus.

  64. 89

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @85 I admit to being bigoted against communists, fascists, imperialists, terrorists, chid molesters, and Republicans.

  65. 91

    Bob spews:

    @ 86

    Bigotry has many origins. I suspect it originated with your parents.

    Doesn’t make it any less shameful. And you’re an embarrassment to participants on this blog, first for writing what you did, and even more for flailing wildly in your effort to find a way out of it.

    Let me boil it down in simple terms for you: Imagine you were present and one of your hated Republican opponents had written it. What would be your response, and the response of others on this blog?

    I hope your mother would be embarrassed for you. I imagine, though, probably not.

  66. 93

    spews:

    I’ve been here in these threads a long time Bob, as has been the rabbit.

    A Jew?

    An active right wing troll regularly uses every epipthet in the book

    A person of Hispanic descent?

    I’m half latino myself and an active right wing troll refers to me as “YLBurrito” and “YLBarrio”.

    A person of African-American heritage?

    A right wing troll today referred to one of the looters in London as a “nigger”.

    The theme of these comment threads is “the right wing sucks”.. These trolls make our point every day.

  67. 94

    Bob spews:

    @ 87

    So, bigotry is acceptable to you if the bigot once served his country? Or, as I alleged above, are you arguing that bigotry espoused by a progressive is OK, ’cause he’s a progressive, after all. He’s an ‘eloquent critic of the right wing’.

    Which argument are you making? Or is it both?

  68. 95

    Bob spews:

    @ 90

    Hi, YLB. So, your argument in defense of Rabbit is that his bigotry is tolerable because, after all, he’s not the only person to use bigoted language on this blog.

    One goes along to get along, is that it with you? Really?

    My argument would be, if you found another commenter’s bigotry offensive, Rabbits should be nonetheless so. Even if he is on your ‘side’.

    Slippery slope territory, Ms. YLB. Watch your step.

  69. 96

    spews:

    91 – No but I’ll take a slip from the rabbit over your baiting tactics any day.

    I’ve been commenting here since December 2004 and the Rabbit has been here at least that long.

    I know the rabbit’s style and opinions quite well.

    None of us are perfect unlike you and your right wing friends that I described in 90.

  70. 97

    Steve spews:

    It was Japs that bombed Pearl Harbor. They remained Japs for some time after the war. For some people they’re still Japs. For me, they’re Japanese. That pretty much mirrors the thoughts of an old friend who was a Navy frogman in the Pacific, one of very few to survive the war. Hmm, he did keep refering to the Datsun pickup I once had as a “Jap rollerskate”, but he was just kidding. He had most definitely let go of the war. They were no longer Japs to him.

    Bob thinks he can speak for what 98% of the progressives here think? Good grief.

  71. 98

    Bob spews:

    Oh, it’s a ‘slip’.

    What’s a little bigotry among friends, anyway? It’s just between us. It’s ‘style’, after all. And (shhhhhhhhhh) he’s a veteran, so, well, you know.

    The soft bigotry of low expectations. I must admit I’m surprised to see it here, and espoused by you, YLB, in particular.

    Where I was raised we had a word for people who used bigoted language.

    We called them bigots.

    ‘night, all.

  72. 99

    Steve spews:

    @86 “fascists, imperialists, terrorists, chid molesters, and Republicans”

    Hmm, kind of redundant. You could have just said “Republicans” and left it at that.

  73. 100

    spews:

    95 – I guess you were ok with voting for a “bigot” for President in 2008.

    Anything beats voting for a Kenyan, 60’s terrorist symp right Bob?

    What’s a little bigotry between fellow right wingers?

  74. 102

    Steve spews:

    “Where I was raised we had a word for people who used bigoted language.”

    What we’re talking about is a little bit different than when you wingnut racists call blacks “niggers”. Speaking of slurs, I’d bet you wingnuts have got some choice ones for Muslims and Latinos. Care to share?

  75. 104

    Puddybud, in another location laughing at HA Libtardos spews:

    LOL

    Did Wisconsin stay in Republican hands?

    Roger Dumb Rabbit lost another one.

    AGAIN!

  76. 105

    Puddybud, traveling again visiting great American cities spews:

    Pretty sure if I had written something like that, YLB would archive it and use it against me forever.

    Correct as always about the HA crazed databaze arschloch!

    LOLLMBBAO!

  77. 106

    rhp6033 spews:

    Bob @ 65 quoted…

    “In the posting of notice that was done, the legislature relied on its interpretation of its own rules of proceeding. The court declines to review the validity of the procedure used to give notice of the joint committee on conference….”

    The fact that the right-wing Wisconsin court saw nothing wrong with the Republican Senate interpreting the open meetings law any way they wanted says more about the court than it does about the validity of the proceeding. The Republican’s notice of the hearing, being posted after-hours on bulletin boards where only the Janitors would be expected to read them, given little more than an hour’s notice, was bullshit. Any neutral court would have tossed out the law easily, just on that basis.

  78. 107

    rhp6033 spews:

    # 86: I agree, but I think the list is a bit redundant, don’t you? If we were to simply use the term Republican, wouldn’t the rest of the words naturally be included? ;-)

  79. 111

    Puddybud, traveling again visiting great American cities spews:

    @54 And what are those “benefits” Bob? Scott Walker’s idea of “balancing” the state budget is giving hundreds of millions of dollars in new tax breaks to his business supporters.

    And you excuse the Porkulus bill where Obummer gave big bucks to his DUMMOCRAPT state jock straps instead of shovel ready jobs?

    Oops… wait… there are no shovel ready jobs. Just money to DUMMOCRAPT Union Thugs.

    Oh wait… look it’s a union thug crosshair…

    Of course Roger Dumb Rabbit and other HA libtardos excuse this commentary.

    Also, Kapanke’s’s windshield was damaged on March 9 after the Senate voted on the budget-repair bill. Kapanke was advised by Capitol police he would not be able to reach his car parked on the Capitol Square because of protesters. A state trooper moved the car, and when Kapanke went to his car a short time later, he found a hole in the windshield. He drove home to La Crosse. He reported the damage on Wednesday to Capitol police.

    Then there are words only Roger Dumb Rabbit and other HA leftists would love.

    Wow $14Million+ Union dues thrown down the drain by the thug leaders like Richard Trumka.

    Of course the moronic arschloch will complain the pictures are on Big Government, but not the fact they are factually true!

    Remember these districts are ones Obummer carried comfortably in 2008!

  80. 112

    Puddybud, traveling again visiting great American cities spews:

    Oh arschloch@105 and 107,

    Pavlov called it again! You still don’t realize how much I control you! And you perform like a organ grinder’s pet monkey! No wonder you call GWBush a chimp. You are a simian yourself. Your psychological makeup is a follower, and you prove this everyday on HA!

    You are so predictable, so much of a re-run and continually stupid as always.

    ROTFLOLLBMMAO!

  81. 113

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @88 “one of your hated Republican opponents”

    I don’t hate Republicans. (Why should I? My Republican friends, always generous to a fault with the money they stol from us, never let my pay for my own lunch.) I just feel sad for them.

  82. 115

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @92 “So, your argument in defense of Rabbit is that his bigotry is tolerable because, after all, he’s not the only person to use bigoted language on this blog.”

    What the hell, why not? Republicans use the “Democrats do it, too!” defense all the time. So why can’t I use the “Republicans do it, too!” defense? Why should Republicans have a monopoly on finger-pointing? Republicans want to monopolize every fucking thing! If it’s good enough for them, it’s good enough for me.

  83. 116

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @96 Yeah, but I get more literary effect by being repetitive. Kind of like Hemingway stringing together the same idea over and over and over with a bunch of “ands.” What the hell, it worked for Ernie, so maybe it’ll work for me, too.

  84. 117

    Puddybud, traveling again visiting great American cities spews:

    Except Roger Dumb Rabbit’s bigotry is more subtle than other HA leftist pinheads.

    What the hell, why not? Republicans use the “Democrats do it, too!”

    Except headless lucy blatantly introduced it first on HA September 9th 2005!

    Another of your putrid idiotic arguments goes KABLAMMMMMMMO!

  85. 118

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    98, 100 – I think the main point is that Bob has completely forgotten the GOPers won in Wisconsin last night. It’s soooo easy to distract these ADHD-challenged toddlers simply by waving something shiny in front of their eyes …

  86. 120

    Puddybud, traveling again visiting great American cities spews:

    “YLBurrito” and “YLBarrio”.

    That’s why I call you arschloch. Cuz you are all arschloch, the biggest hating arschloch here!

  87. 122

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @108 “Remember these districts are ones Obummer carried comfortably in 2008!”

    They also were carried by two GOP ex-state senators in 2008.

  88. 123

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Keep in mind the score so far in this summer’s Wisconsin recalls is:

    Democrats: 1 for 1 (batting average: 1.000)
    Republicans: 4 of 6 (strikeout average: 0.3333)

  89. 124

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @109 “You still don’t realize how much I control you!”

    Thanks for the laugh, putz! I needed that.

  90. 126

    Puddybud, traveling again visiting great American cities spews:

    Hey Roger Dumb Rabbit,

    Each time I bring up the crazed HA databaze arschloch moron, he posts a link from his crazed HA databaze.

    Not only is he predictable, but the HA arschloch immediately proves it with the next posting.

    Glad you agree with the laugh Roger Dumb Rabbit!

  91. 127

    Puddybud, traveling again visiting great American cities spews:

    Oh Roger Dumb Rabbit,

    It doesn’t matter. Wisconsin Senate still in Rpbulican hands! You were trumpeting a big win for DUMMOCRAPTS and a staunch repudiation of Scott Walker.

    Both EPIC FAILS!

  92. 128

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @114 Finger-pointing has been around a lot longer than you, me, or headless lucy; and I’m pretty sure Republicans invented it.

  93. 129

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @117 “That’s why I call you arschloch.”

    I assume you do it because it’s normal for insane people to babble in gibberish.

  94. 133

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @129 Puddy isn’t smart enough to be a moron. I think “eggplant” better describes his mental faculties, although it’s possibly insulting to eggplants. What the hell, I’ve already insulted the guys who bombed Pearl Harbor, so I might as well insult inert plant material too.

  95. 134

    who run Bartertown? spews:

    Conclusion: bobs owns rabbit and ylb…..too funny to watch ylbleeder and the rabbit flail around like carps on a beach.

  96. 136

    spews:

    131. who run Bartertown? spews:

    Conclusion: bobs owns rabbit and ylb…..too funny to watch ylbleeder and the rabbit flail around like carps on a beach.

    08/10/2011 at 9:49 am

    Better than watching emperor max-minidick squeal like a stuck pig.

  97. 137

    igor spews:

    When will the 2 newly elected Democrats be subject to recall? I suspect we will be seeing Senate elections every 2 years in the close Districts, as well as the Governor’s seat. Is that a good thing? Probably not. But the Democrats decided this is the new way of doing business. They set the standard and now must live with it.
    Next week, 2 Democrats are up. Not sure how it will turn out..doesn’t matter.
    What a horrible way to run a State.
    They need to pass a Constitutional Amendment to stop this madness or it will bankrupt the state. Will other states do it? Time will tell.

  98. 138

    spews:

    134. igor spews:

    When will the 2 newly elected Democrats be subject to recall? I suspect we will be seeing Senate elections every 2 years in the close Districts, as well as the Governor’s seat. Is that a good thing? Probably not. But the Democrats decided this is the new way of doing business. They set the standard and now must live with it.
    Next week, 2 Democrats are up. Not sure how it will turn out..doesn’t matter.
    What a horrible way to run a State.
    They need to pass a Constitutional Amendment to stop this madness or it will bankrupt the state. Will other states do it? Time will tell.

    08/10/2011 at 10:47 am

    What the fuck are you talking about? Do you know WHY any of that happened? Get your head out of your ass.

  99. 139

    igor spews:

    It happened because Democrats CHOOSE for it to happen. They filed the petition, gathered the sigs and everything else required. Here is what Wiki says about the WI recall law, read it:
    http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/in....._Wisconsin

    Nowhere does it say it must happen. It requires action. It only happened 4 times in Wisconsin History, the last time being in 1990. The Democrats started down this road. It’s legal, but has future consequences.
    Actually, any of these State electeds can be recalled after serving 1 year in office. You could see the Democrat winners back on the ballot with Obama in November, 2012. Why wouldn’t the R’s do that?

  100. 141

    spews:

    136. igor spews:

    It happened because Democrats CHOOSE for it to happen. They filed the petition, gathered the sigs and everything else required. Here is what Wiki says about the WI recall law, read it:
    http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/in....._Wisconsin

    Nowhere does it say it must happen. It requires action. It only happened 4 times in Wisconsin History, the last time being in 1990. The Democrats started down this road. It’s legal, but has future consequences.
    Actually, any of these State electeds can be recalled after serving 1 year in office. You could see the Democrat winners back on the ballot with Obama in November, 2012. Why wouldn’t the R’s do that?

    08/10/2011 at 10:57 am

    Did you answer the question?

    No…try again sonny.

  101. 142

    igor spews:

    It happened because the Democrats CHOOSE to initiate the recall. Yeah, they were pissed when Gov. Walker did exactly what he promised to do in his campaign. But the action, was a Democrat choice. That’s my final answer. Whine all you want. A precedent is now set..and it falls on the shoulders of the Dems. It will be a huge campaign issue in 2012 in Wisconsin.

  102. 143

    igor spews:

    Rujax, do you think the recall petition just mysteriously appeared? Really?? Come on man. It’s a bad precedent, that’s all I’m saying.

  103. 144

    spews:

    139. igor spews:

    It happened because the Democrats CHOOSE to initiate the recall. Yeah, they were pissed when Gov. Walker did exactly what he promised to do in his campaign. But the action, was a Democrat choice. That’s my final answer. Whine all you want. A precedent is now set..and it falls on the shoulders of the Dems. It will be a huge campaign issue in 2012 in Wisconsin.

    08/10/2011 at 11:20 am

    Wrongwrong wrong litle troll.

    Wlaker NEVER campaigned on busting unions, cutting services to the old and poor and Public Education.

    Your “ALEC” inspired State Legislators have a single agenda and Walker was their stealth candidate. The Republicans that supported him were in lock-step.

    This was an egregious (look it up!) mis-use of public Office and the Wisconsin electorate was fully justified in employing legal remedy.

  104. 145

    Steve spews:

    “Yeah, they were pissed when Gov. Walker did exactly what he promised to do in his campaign.”

    Whether this troll is a another dumbfuck liar or just a dimwitted fool, it really doesn’t matter. The ‘tard is a waste of time. Damn, it only takes a couple of comments and these new trolls already bore the fuck out of me.

  105. 147

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @134 “But the Democrats decided this is the new way of doing business.”

    Uh, sure, and the GOPers didn’t file recall petitions against Democrats?

  106. 148

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @136 “You could see the Democrat winners back on the ballot with Obama in November, 2012. Why wouldn’t the R’s do that?”

    They won’t do it because the Democrat winners are already back on the ballot with Obama in November 2012, idiot! Both of the defeated GOPers were elected in 2008 to terms expiring in 2013.

  107. 150

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @140 No it’s not. It’s a treasured populist tool, like the initiative and referendum. The fact Wisconsin has recalled elected officials only 5 times and TWO of the GOP’s state senators got booted last night (and a couple others survived close races) tells you quite a bit about the composition of the GOP’s state senate delegation, doesn’t it?

  108. 151

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @139 Walker didn’t tell voters he was going to cut $900 million from schools and give a nearly equal amount in new tax breaks to rich business owners.

  109. 152

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    We’ll find out next spring if the voters who elected Scott Walker think they got what they voted for, won’t we?

  110. 154

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    DJIA Closes -519.83

    Another record-setting down day on Wall Street erases all of yesterday’s rally and then some.

  111. 155

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    I’m not real impressed yet with the stock market’s selloff — after all, the “plunge” to date has only taken market averages down to their December 2010 levels and individual stocks still don’t look real cheap. Sure, lots of companies have single-digit P/Es now, but remember, coporate earnings will weaken going forward, so forward P/Es (i.e., next year’s price-earnings ratios) (which is what matters to you as an investor) are higher.

  112. 156

    rhp6033 spews:

    What Igor tends to forget is the history, about ten years ago, of the Republicans initiating a recall election in California against the governor there.

    His only crime was that utility rates went through the roof. It turns out that the utility, Enron, was manipulating the prices for fun, profit, and political advantage. But that story came out only after the GOP won back the governorship.

    But I guess Igor thinks the Republican recall in California was a good idea, and it only becomes bad public policy when it is initiated by Democrats in Wisconsin?

  113. 157

    rhp6033 spews:

    Come to think of it, remember that EVERY member of the U.S. House of Representatives will be up for recall in 2012. Democrats should treat every one of those like the Wisconsin recall elections. Force the Koch brothers to spend millions to defened every Republican-held seat in the house. Our philosophy should be that there is no such thing as a safe Republican seat.

    If we take back two out of every six Republican seats, and successfully defend the Democratic seats, we win back the House.

  114. 158

    Godfrey Cambridge spews:

    Republicans can never claim a voter mandate to do, for instance, what they are doing in Wisconsin because they lie about their true intentions.

    The only mandate they can claim is for the promises thay made — like creating jobs — which they haven’t done.

  115. 159

    spews:

    http://www.oliverwillis.com/20.....dui-crash/

    Fox News “Concerned Parent” Was GOP Official … Then Had DUI Crash

    12:24 pm EST August 9th, 2011

    A few months ago, Fox News’ Fox & Friends hosted a Wisconsin mom named Amber Hahn to tell us just how horrible those liberal unions are. Well, what Fox didn’t tell you is that Hahn is a local GOP official.

    And it gets worse. What’s Ms. Hahn been up to?

    The chairwoman of the Republican Party of Columbia County resigned Friday after a drunken crash with her three children in her car.

    Amber Hahn, 35, of rural Poynette, said she crashed her car Thursday night while driving drunk, but that no one was hurt and that no other vehicles were involved. The Columbia County Sheriff’s Office arrived at the scene from the OnStar alert in her car, she said.

    Remember this when these people lecture you like they’re your moral betters.

    Nice huh…

  116. 160

    rhp6033 spews:

    (Thinking out loud)….

    1. Start a campaign to counter the Republican/Fox News noise machine. Come up with a daily response to Republican talking points, find ways to distrubute to “low information” voters.

    2. Get active in the neighborhood. The idea is to start a groundswell of information which turns the Republican base into quicksand. Let your neighbors know that you are informed and involved, and that there are lots of other neighbors who think like you. They then feel a bit comforted in knowing they aren’t a minority, as the Republicans try to make them think. There’s still time to have a neighborhood BBQ in your back yard, or a block party.

    3. Don’t get into arguments with the intransigent – this is a battle which will last months, perhaps years, and is won by being friendly and engaging, not combative. Spend most of your time listening to their concerns. Then ask their opinions about specific issues, looking for grounds for agreemetn. Then point out that you agree on most specifics (i.e., cuts + taxes solution to federal deficit). Then reach a mutual agreement that we would be better off without referring to straw-man charaterizations, and then show them that most Democrats agree with their positions, with only slight variations over details.

    4. Get organized. Create a spreadsheet of all the homes in your neighborhood, the names and phone numbers of the the residents, and from your discussions with them, and idea of their political leanings. Continue to have regular gatherings of smaller groups in your home over the winter – try to be smart about matching who you invite to which gathering, and the proportion of “proven adherents” with “potential recruits” at each gathering. But keep it light. If your neighbors leave thinking that they had a fun night with fun friends, with just a little lively political discussion included with talk about sports, children, etc., you have succeeded.

    5. By spring, turn your lists into a real organization. Collect together those who are now your political allies but were previously uninvolved, and get them organized and plugged into campaigns. Choose a handful to train to duplicate your system, spreading the word to their larger social networks of fellow school parents, co-workers, relatives, hobby enthusiasts, etc.

    This is basically the system used by some churches (cell groups), multi-level marketing, etc. But it really does work, and you have the advantage that you aren’t asking them to part with a thin dime. All you really want them to do is to get beyond the party talking points and noise machines, and to critically examine the real actions and records of the politicians and the parties.

    If they do so, I’m convinced more of them will turn into regular Democratic voters than they would Republicans.

  117. 161

    Puddybud, traveling again visiting great American cities spews:

    I assume you do it because it’s normal for insane people to babble in gibberish.

    Wong again Roger Dumb Rabbit…

    He’s all arschloch. You are a close second at times!

  118. 162

    Puddybud, traveling again visiting great American cities spews:

    Better than watching emperor max-minidick squeal like a stuck pig.

    Oh my the cinder block finally identified himself! Looks like the classes and the meds are finally working.

    ROTFLOLMBBAO!

  119. 163

    Puddybud, traveling again visiting great American cities spews:

    Howard Fineman on the only show that puts him on: Number two, Barack Obama as John was indicating probably should have spent more time on the Chicago Board of Aldermen than at the University of Chicago. That way he would have understood the specifics of these kinds, this kind of politics as opposed to the abstraction of politics.

    Oh my the nutso slobbering press are turning on Obummer!

  120. 164

    Puddybud, traveling again visiting great American cities spews:

    Hey moron

    Roger Dumb Rabbit, the HA arschloch must be speaking to you.

    ROTFLOLMBBAO!

  121. 165

    Puddybud, traveling again visiting great American cities spews:

    the Republicans initiating a recall election in California against the governor there.

    And who was there cheering it on? DUMMOCRAPT Arianna Huffington! Davis’ approval rating was around 30%!

  122. 167

    manoftruth spews:

    @
    81. Roger Rabbit spews:
    @79 So now you’re an apologist for the bastards who bombed Pearl Harbor?
    08/09/2011 at 9:42 pm
    82. Roger Rabbit spews:
    In addition to calling the guys who bombed Pearl Harbor “Japanese” instead of “Japs,” do you think I should bow to them, too? Sorry, I’m not in that business.

    ok, i love it. goes to show eveyone is a bigot. for example, tony bourdain, who i would love, but has to throw his ny politics into his shows, was walking thru haiti and they were yelling “hey blanc” hey white. so haitins, who we bend over backwards for in this country, my parents live in elderly housing and the majority are haitians, are bigots. roger, i assume your white, try walking thru a black housing project. i bet you dont come out the other end.
    but that aside, since you liberals dont believe in god, or at least figure he thinks its cool we dont include him in our politics (im trying to picture what he thinks about that), who says bigotry is bad. as al gore would say, without god, there is no controlling authority.