I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again… I’m guessing that the day Progressive Majority set up shop in Washington state will stand out as one of the most significant recent developments in state and local politics.
PM focuses on the hard work of recruiting, training and supporting progressive candidates for “down ballot” races, building a farm team of local elected officials from which future political all-stars will rise. And their results in Tuesday’s election were truly impressive:
18 of 27 candidates won election (67%)
2 races are still too close to call
5 of 9 women won (56%)
5 of 7 people of color won (71%)
2 of 3 union members won (66%)
7 of 11 first time candidates won (64%)
Two of PM’s highest profile victories were that of Dave Somers and Steve Stuart, both of whom the BIAW spent big money to defeat. Stuart’s win keeps control of the Clark County Commission in the hands of Democrats, and was one of PM’s biggest priorities. And Somers huge upset win over incumbent Jeff Sax gives the Democrats control over the Snohomish County Council.
A big thanks to Dean Nielsen, Edie Giliss and everybody else at PM for a job well done. And a special congratulations to PM candidate Marko Liias, whose Mukilteo City Council victory makes him the first graduate of my class at Camp Wellstone to win his first race for office. (At least I think. I’m terrible with names, so let me know if I missed somebody.)
Hooray for Progressive Majority. They’re filling a big void.
I suppose the wingnuts will copy the formula. Expect to hear about “fascist majority” next year.
Hoo-ah
Big ups to ya’ll working behind the scenes, making WA a better place to live, raise kids, work, lie down and daydream in your favorite park. Have a cold one on the Belltowner at Shorty’s this Friday.
hee-hee
Angry ‘Pubes = good news.
spanked, silently brooding ‘Pubes = GREAT NEWS !
this New Yorker says a big thank you to Washington state for recovering your destiny in this election.
Now on to impeaching the Bush-dolt.
“no” to Arctic oil drilling is just a bonus.
and it’s just beginning – there is an endless supply of shit-sucking ‘Pubes to indict, harrass and bitch-slap.
say bye-bye ‘Pubes.
Goldy:
5 of 9 women won (56%)
5 of 7 people of color won (71%)
2 of 3 union members won (66%)
7 of 11 first time candidates won (64%)
This is one of the problems with the Democratic Party.
Are you saying that the gender of a person is relevant to their ability to perform a job?
Are you saying that the race of a person is relevant to their ability to perform a job?
Are you saying that “diversity” now means we’re going to have to have set-asides for union members? Are they a historically disadvantaged class of folk?
You guys need to make up your minds. Is your goal to have everyone sliced and diced into ever-smaller racial/social groups, sub-groups and sub-sub-groups? Or should we take each person we meet on a case-by-case basis and judge them on the strength of their character?
Axl @ 4
It appears you have quite the obsession with your own crotch hair.
C’mon, Goldy! Now that the election is over, you gotta take a weekend and switch software. This FilterHell is ANNOYING!
Mark @ 6
Hey, I’ll bet you are a talented Perl programmer who has a couple hundred hours to spare. If so, drop Goldy an email, and you can make your dreams come true!
The link to the “results” is not working. Damn you all to hell you false linker you. May you rot in hell over this.
sorry, sometimes I get confused who I am typing at. where’s that fucking proudass when you want to trash a redneck.
danw @ 8
Try using this link: http://www.progressivemajority.....g/node/591
Im curious, how much longer do you libs think you can take this fleecing by taxes till another I-695 passes the voters muster? It is my personal belief that a Proposition 13 is in Washingtons future.
chuck @ 10. you have a point. we need to lay the groundwork for a truly progressive income tax in this state. right now the really rich are not carrying their share of the load, and the rest of us are fighting over the scraps. no wonder there is so much popular anger over taxes. prop 13 has gutted california. let’s not let it happen here.
will you join us?
Headline this morning in Yahoo News @7:00AM
“Jordanians rally to denounce al-Zarqawi”
Headline I would like to see describing Elections 2005
“US Voters rally to denounce GW Bush and his ‘Culture of corruption, torture and lies’
Here is a prediction….
Washington “Progressives” are anything but. There “wet-dreams” involve more & more costly government regulations, Social engineering at every turn, constant drumbeat of MORE FUNDING (meaning tax and fee increases) and an air of “CLOWNish enlightenment” that is having a brief bump in an area of predominantly LEFTIST PINHEADS.
It won’t last.
Your success is predicated on Big Labor.
Many of the “Progressive” environmental policy’s are huge job killers and your ilk has ZERO respect for Individual Property Rights (except for your own). People will grow ill of Urban Living as well….and find themselves desperate for something different…only to find you CLOWNS preventing that from happening. The High & Escalating Cost of Living will eventually result in a backlash during the upcoming recession caused by the bubble-bursting in the Housing Market. It will start with Union there….and the deck of cards will collapse.
The “Progressive” Agenda is not sustainable…..once voters become TAXED TO THE MAX.
Do you CLOWNS realize how many people who vote along with you are dependent upon Government jobs and are leveraged to the MAX with high mortgages and home equity loans???
When the Real Estate bubble pops (and it’s starting), you CLOWNS will find your Big Labor base turning on you for new private opportunities to create jobs. You will have no answer.
Jeff Sax appears to be in hiding after losing big time to Dave Somers. After Sax used the infantile and bizarre campaign tactic of putting “Gay Endorsed” stickers on Somers’ campaign signs, one would think he’d be manly enough to stand up, concede to Somers, and bow out gracefully. But oh! I forgot about the infantile and bizarre part of the Sax resume.
I know you guys are thrilled with the defeat of I-912. Isn’t it wonderful that the first project the DOT is going to work is building a bike trail in Moses Lake? I heard that on the news this morning.
Eventually, I guess, they’ll start working the AWV and 520 projects. Don’t worry though: you KC folks won’t have to pay a toll for either project. Only the “little people” like those of us living in Pierce County have to pay tolls.
Ain’t life in WA grand!
by Goldy, 11/10/2005, 12:02 AM
“5 of 9 women won (56%)”
“5 of 7 people of color won (71%)”
Why is the color of a person’s skin or a person’s gender important?
OK Goldy, the “progressives” have won – I-912 went down to defeat. That should leave you plenty of tax money to buy duct tape for your emergency repair of the AWV. It’s an emergency, isn’t it?
Congrats and thanks to Progressive Majority. Keep up the good work.
Can’t we all get along? ;) My only hope is that the ridiculous new audit system will make the DOT a bit more nervous. They really need to watch themselves since the public has just put a lot of faith in them. I don’t really care for Sims but it seems he is aware of his weaknesses and is addressing them. It also seems the Republicans are the ones who don’t understand finances lately; too wierd.
Mr. Irrelevant@14,
Hey we could be like the republicans, cut taxes, and still rack up the national deficiet. Is that what you would like? Nothing like letting your kids and grandkids take it in the ass for all the money your government spent to make you happy right? I guess us pinheads just see the big picture.
The Democrats have to take guys like Sax, and hang them around the neck of the Republican party like an albatross. They should make Sax their new “Gay Endorsed” posterboy. As in the phrase, election-loser Jeff “Gay Endorsed” Sax continued to refuse to concede. He earned the nickname.
People’s gender and skin color matters because if white guys were left to self regulate – they would continue keeping all the well paying jobs, advancing careers and education to themselves – not to mention justice, law enforcement, corporate welfare, politics and land ownership.
Until people can PROVE (to people of color, not yourselves!)that things haved really changed – that there is no bias to who gets hired and who gets justice – and IS actually merit based btw – not just who’s your cousin or son of your neighbor… or what you think you deserve and can’t figure out why the other people just don’t pull themselves up like you and your family did … You have a problem. And no waving the “quota” flag can take away what has been stolen from hard working, deserving Americans.
You better watch your numbers because this white guy is gonna call you out every time I see it!
No snowflake in an avalance ever feels responsible.
Sincerely,
Snowflake #1,234,839,005,781
Here is a prediction….
Washington “Progressives” are anything but. There “wet-dreams” involve more & more costly government regulations, Social engineering at every turn, constant drumbeat of MORE FUNDING (meaning tax and fee increases) and an air of “CLOWNish enlightenment” that is having a brief bump in an area of predominantly LEFTIST PINHEADS.
It won’t last.
Your success is predicated on Big Labor.
Many of the “Progressive” environmental policy’s are huge job killers and your ilk has ZERO respect for Individual Property Rights (except for your own). People will grow ill of Urban Living as well….and find themselves desperate for something different…only to find you CLOWNS preventing that from happening. The High & Escalating Cost of Living will eventually result in a backlash during the upcoming recession caused by the bubble-bursting in the Housing Market. It will start with Union there….and the deck of cards will collapse.
The “Progressive” Agenda is not sustainable…..once voters become TAXED TO THE MAX.
Do you CLOWNS realize how many people who vote along with you are dependent upon Government jobs and are leveraged to the MAX with high mortgages and home equity loans???
When the Real Estate bubble pops (and it’s starting), you CLOWNS will find your Big Labor base turning on you for new private opportunities to create jobs. You will have no answer.
Kudos to Progressive Majority Washington. This is exactly the type of organization that liberal and progressive Democrats need to get behind and support.
Cheesy Chuckie @11
I do believe the voters answered this question yesterday. Now — shut up, line up, pay up.
@114
“The High & Escalating Cost of Living will eventually result in a backlash during the upcoming recession caused by the bubble-bursting in the Housing Market.”
Now we have to listen to Mr. Cyn-Irr complaining about how hard it will be to live in the $500,000 homes the Bush administration gave us on the $5 an hour jobs the Bush administration gave us?
Hey C-I, want to know why homes are so expensive? Because Georgy Porgy is debasing the currency, that’s why. Homes are still worth the same, the only thing that’s changed is a dollar is worth considerably less because the government is printing so many of them. Another reason for the upward thrust in housing prices is that people are fleeing from the stock market into hard assets like real estate because Bush has allowed corporate crooks to fleece investors.
I hope all you who are waiting for the Alaska Way Viaduct to collapse move to Moses Lake and use that emergency bike path to save yourselves.
Never has so much been spent to fool so many. The rich law firms and construction companies are laughing about how stupid Washington (Metro Seattle) voters are, and how easy they are to buy.
Progressive. Yeah. Progressively stealing money.
Mr Cynical Irrelevant Clown @ 14
Wow. Those fantasies must make you feel real good inside. One hand on the keyboard and the other err.. never mind.
When the Real Estate bubble pops (and it’s starting), you CLOWNS will find your Big Labor base turning on you for new private opportunities to create jobs. You will have no answer.
That’s the biggest economic crisis coming down the pike and apparently your solution is to continue the ponzi scheme of tearing apart more land and sprouting more subdivisions. Just putting off the day of reckoning. Living inside a fantasy until the bubble can’t be sustained and it pops. How typically BIAW-ish.
The other side to that that you won’t talk about is that real-estate plunder only makes us more dependent on foreign oil and puts us on a collision course with China who is competing for that oil. People commuting longer to jobs congests our highways, (that you don’t want to pay taxes for), burns more and more oil, and increases environmental pollution. Look at Southern California – that’s your dream for Western Washington.
There’s not much to recommend living in your real-estate utopia, Irrelevant Clown. 50 weeks of fighting traffic, working your tail off to stay competitive with the threat of your job going to China or India – all for two weeks of vacation where you try to forget your misery!
And yes we DO have solutions. The Apollo Alliance is a coalition of the Democrats, LABOR, and environmentalists to promote a renewable energy industry HERE IN AMERICA – so we don’t have to send 200 billion dollars a year to places like Saudi Arabia and Venezuela. 200 billion dollars a year staying here and creating at least 3 million JOBS.
The Washington legislature just passed two bills promoting solar manufacture and incentivizing solar use – COSPONSORED by a conservative Republican in that Marxist haven of MOSES LAKE.
The future is sustainable industries and sources of jobs – not 16 lane highways that fill up immediately with oil-burning cars and a landscape of sub-divisions, strip malls and big-box stores as far as the eye can see – all built on a mountain range of debt made possible by Chinese and Japanese bondholders.
Try again Mr. Cynical Irrelevant Clown.
The rich law firms and construction companies
In other words REPUBLICANS!
Isn’t it wonderful that the first project the DOT is going to work is building a bike trail in Moses Lake?
We have bike trails here in Seattle. Why shouldn’t Moses Lake people have them? How long have Moses Lake people waited for that bike trail? It’s not like ML is some kind of Marxist utopia and their representatives who lobbied for that trail are flaming commies. And it’s not like WSDOT isn’t capable of working on multiple projects at once.
Is that all you wingnuts have this morning? Silly.
nice damned if you do damned if you don’t attitude from our resident trolls…
I can just hear it now, if they’d started work on the AWV today, we’d be hearing them yelling, “SEE?! IT’S ONLY TO HELP KING COUNTY! ALL THE OTHER COUNTIES GOT CHEATED!” Its easy to criticize when you’ve decided ahead of time that all the answers are wrong.
PS: You guys still don’t get it (somehow, I’m not surprised) Its not just about 520 or the AWV its about funding transportation and infastructure across the state!
PS:
Libertarian, yer a smart guy… I Know it.
You know why they have problems putting a toll on the AWV, don’t you?
(hint 2 of the reasons are called first avenue and fourth avenue)
We’ve had enough regionalist crap this year without the righties either trying to incite more (Looking at you, Janet!) or whining about (lib)
Progressive, newest in naming spin….
Liberal (not in thought)
wanna be communists, socialists
Anti initiative, anti referendum
Pro union, pro government, pro taxes, pro abortion
Aaarrrghhhhh
Conservative first @17: Why is your question important?
Let me guess: You’re a white male, probably over 40, and accustomed to being the default choice in life – and when you aren’t the adefault choice and now that you are no longer getting automatic white boy points, you’re being discriminated against, right? tsk, tsk, cry baby, cry.
dj @ 8:
I am a talented Perl programmer with enough time to spare to get the new blog running. I have mentioned as much to Goldy.
Of course, I also don’t hang out here and bitch about the filter all day. It’s about as useful as bitching about the weather.
Oh yeah,
What do “progressives (liberals)” have to say about Govt imposing taxes (monorail) for a non-existent project.
Shoot, i want taxes for a UFO site, or taxes for a “teletransporter”.
Here’s a prediction for Cynical, Irrelevant Clown.
If you keep putting up losers like David Irons Jr., the raging bullshitter financed by developers and the BIAW – YOU LOSE AGAIN!
MY PREDICTION: Mike McGavick will lose big time against Cantwell. The reason – he got rich SENDING JOBS TO INDIA!
Cluyeless
I thought gas tax was for Roads….congestion.
Bike trail only indirectly is for Roads. Might as well fund body shops to add 3rd row of seats to cars as anti congestion measure too…
If the bike path was on “The list” (I’ll admit I haven’t checked…), or even is a ‘nickel package’ deal, then you righties can’t really complain about ‘intent’…
That being said, I know what a car fetish is s’posed to mean in a guy… whats it mean in a lady?
I enjoy riding my bike….
Just hard to justify using GasTax to pay for that privilege.
When are the FREELOADING bikers going to start paying for their roads???? How do we charge them???
I got it…..$1000 license tabs!!!!!!
Nope, that’s not enough to pay for these Progressive dreams….
Let’s see, GasTax pays for roads for cars. That makes sense….it’s just a matter of how much is fair and accountability for the WSDOT.
But Bikers are getting a FREE-RIDE!
How fair is that?
Perhaps we could put a surcharge on ALL bikes purchased, all Bike Parts etc. About a 100% tax would be fair….don’t you think?
Bike lanes are fine—–it’s just that Bikers ought to pay!
righton @ 32
What do right wing conservatives have to say about our children having to pay down our massive national debt for the many failed initiatives imposed by a deficit spending government?
We pay for the “sins of our fathers”, as it were. You spend borrowed money poorly, you still have to pay it back. That’s life. My only hope with the monorail debt is that they sell all the land back and recoup the $72 million to pay down the balance, hopefully giving people who had the propery purchased under imminent domain given first right of refusal at that property.
A bike path any where in the state is a waste of DOT money. If the local community wants one, let them pay for it.
I thought we had EMERGENCIES! I thought Goldy was going to make a vigil at the AWV and 520 until the residents of Washington realized what a CRISIS we were in. Now that the money is passed, the projects will be years away. Bunch of hypocrits.
Why is it a given that rich lawyers and construction companies are republican? I suspect the vast majority of lawyers in this state are democrats. Construction companies are just whores who will support whoever throws money their way. Not that there is anything wrong with that.
Janet:
YOu can’t possibly be this stupid.
Read The List!
If its not on there, you have grounds to complain… or at least to ask what the hell is going on.
Its not like the DOT didn’t tell us where the money was supposed to go, moron. If you really think the trail is such an outrage, you should have made it an issue before the election.
You rightie trolls… you’re just pathetic. Reduced to grasping at straws.
My vision of America does not include the “private” ownership of most property by lifeless corporations under the control gutless flunkies that serve them.
Hey, windie, proponents of I-912 did complain about the projects listed in the gas tax. That was the whole point, you moron.
The $3 million of ads that came out against I-912 talked about safety and motherhood and apple pie. Not a word about how this thing was going to waste your money on a bike path. My complaint is against the idiots in metro Seattle who believe anything that is printed in the Seattle Times or touted by Dave Ross.
Clueless & windie
We’re all as mad as hell about having to have a toll on the Narrows Bridge. What part of that do you Neo-Socialists NOT understand?
WA has the 6th highest gas tax in the country now, and they STILL want more. I don’t like being forced to pay for governmental incompetance.
Now go away silly persons.
hmm………………………………………………………………………………………..
Funny, I never heard these complaints you’re talking about. All the complaints were “OH NO THEY”RE GOING TO SPEND ALL THE MONEY ON KING COUNTY!” or “THEY”RE GOING TO STEAL THE MONEY FOR THE GENERAL FUND!”
Pointing out projects that seem silly or dumb would have been the perfect counterargument for the anti-912 crowd… If the public doesn’t want the projects anwyays.
Maybe I didn’t hear it because I tend to not frequent the incestuous circle-jerks you righties are so fond of.
Wrongon @ 39 — Oh, I see! NOW you oppose the Bush deficits… How convenient….
And tomorrow you will tell us that you ALWAYS knew there were no WMDs….
Wrongone @ 33
No the Gas Tax was an emergency measure to forestall catastrophes like 520 sinking into Lake Washington or AWV falling into Elliot Bay and a lot of other dangerous situations – brought about because of the the gutting of the MVET and the gutlessness of previous political leadership in this state both D and R as far as I know.
Now the Governor and the legislature work up some courage and look what happens – your idols Carlson and Wilbur.
I don’t know anything about this bike trail – maybe it was one of those sausage-making compromises – the political leadership there in Moses Lake is Republican is it not?
I believe everything touted by Dave Ross. What does “tout” mean? Is it Cajun? Janet, pleeeeease, tell me!
Comment on 27
What’s strange about WSDOT starting the bike trail before the viaduct? These small projects take less time to design, and less time to build, so naturally they get done first. Duh-uh.
@32
If you don’t live in Seattle, you don’t pay the monorail tax, so shut the fuck up.
If you live in Seattle, you’re part of the group that voted for the monorail, so shut the fuck up.
hardport @ 30
Nice avoidance tactic. Neither you nor anyone else have answered his (or my earlier) question.
How is the race or gender of a person relevant to their ability to do the job? (specifically speaking to the elected offices referenced by Goldy)
Speaking of “progressive”… did you moonbats see how the 912 money will first be spent:
From today’s Times: “The first project to be completed with the new tax money is an $800,000 BICYCLE LANE on Potato Hill Bridge crossing Interstate 90 in Moses Lake”
Good going guys. That should really help reduce congestion. That’s how I want my money spent. Thanks.
hardovertoport @ 30
Stop avoiding his (or my earlier) question.
How, specifically, is the race or gender of a person relevant to their ability to do these particular jobs?
FilterTest: race gender
HOTP @ 30
Stop avoiding the question.
How is the race or gender of a person relevant to their ability to perform the duties of the elected office?
MTR We’ve been discussing it for hours, moron.
I’m sure it was on the list; if so, shut the hell up.
@35
As long as Mr. Cynical-Irrelevant is bitching about bicycles, I might as well add my 2 cents, because I don’t like bicycles (or bicyclists) either:
1. Aggressive bicyclists who run over pedestrians. (Some years back, downtown in the vicinity of 4th and Pike, I got hit in crosswalks twice on two consecutive days.)
2. If you get injured by a heedless bicyclists who thinks nothing of plowing into a crowd of pedestrians at full speed, you can’t sue for your medical expenses, because these bastards take off or refuse to identify themselves.
3. No license plates on bicycles; no way to i.d. hit-and-run bicyclists who hurt people. See (2) above.
4. Stupid bicyclists who plow into parked cars, run red lights and broadside moving cars, or find other creative ways to injure themselves — then sue the car owner who couldn’t have done anything to prevent the stupid bicyclist from injuring himself.
5. Bicyclists who assume you can see them behind you, in your blind spot, and to the right of you — and then cut in front of you.
6. Bicyclists who assume you can stop a moving car in a distance of 6 inches; see (5) above.
7. Freeloading bicyclists who pay zero taxes for the bike lanes and bike trails they want a profusion of.
8. Bicycles are a viable form of alternative transportation in the same sense that bungee cords are — they’re great if you’re young, healthy, masochistic, and looking for adventure. As for me — I’m too fucking old to pedal 10 miles to work in a December rainstorm; attempting it would put me in the hospital with pneumonia, 100% sure thing.
9. Anybody who pedals a bike in car traffic has a death wish. See 4, 5, and 6 above.
Hey, don’t get me wrong, I don’t hate bicycles or people who ride them — I merely think their behavior is unreasonable, that’s all. Why would I hate bicyclists? They don’t start wars, torture innocent people, violate our constitutional rights, or steal from us. All they want is some bike lanes, bike trails, a few squashed pedestrians, and money from our insurance companies. Republicans want the whole goddam ball of wax, including our balls (because they don’t have any).
Comment on 32, 36
Isn’t it fascinating to see “righton” bitching about a $300 million failed transportation project, while utterly silent about a $300 billion failed war?
Sure, it would have been better if Seattle voters hadn’t blown $300 million on a monorail that won’t be built, but to put things in perspective, that’s less than Bush’s buddy Ken Lay stole from Seattle City Light ratepayers.
@ 53
That’s why he’s the “Wrong One” and that’s why people are waking up and throwing out the bastards so we can (again) clean up the mess they’ve left behind.
37, 38
I don’t suppose it’s possible to get the legislature to pass an $8.5 billion transportation package without throwing in a little pork for the good citizens of Moses Lake, is it?
Hey Janet, I have news for you, the whole fucking world operates under the baksheesh system. Be happy somebody is getting a bike trail for your tax money. In most countries, it would just go into some official’s pocket.
Janet’s ravings exemplify the dishonest way that wingnuts operate: It doesn’t matter how much accountability WSDOT has, or how fairly the projects are distributed across the state, or how badly the projects are needed — they will ALWAYS have some nitpicking gripe, they will NEVER agree to pay any taxes or spend tax money on anything that doesn’t feather their own nest, they will ALWAYS be anti. Anti-this, anti-that, anti-everything.
Rightwing loonies like Janet have no program, no plan, no solutions — just “no” this and “no” that.
GOP = the party of “no”
Well, now we know that its rather pointless to ever respond to anything Mark the Redneck ever says. Since he managed to ‘break the news’ about a bike path after 40 posts discussing that ver thing.
dumbshit.
Did you idiots actually think that DOT was wasting money by having a few dozen crews just sitting around waiting on this vote so that they could start work? Y’all sound like a bunch of kids ‘are we there yet are we there yet are we there yet’.
I would point out that DOT stands for Department of Transportation, not Department of driving cars around. There are other forms of transportation and I for one really object to assholes who run around screaming that DOT should only spend my tax money on their roads.
You know those of us who bike, walk, and bus are just as entitled to have a say in how our tax money is spent as you are. And to preclude your objection about whether or not we pay a gas tax, remember that part of our bus fare does include those taxes.
@39
“You can’t imagine good liberals giving/selling back property to private parties…”
I can’t imagine Republicans (and, yes, Democrats who are in the pocket of business interests) NOT giving/selling-for-2-cents-on-the-dollar public property to (rich, powerful) private parties vis-a-vis Bill Gates, Paul Allen, etc.
@41
So how much does the bike path cost, Janet? How much gas tax would you save if the bike path isn’t built in Moses Lake?
Roger, you the man..
a) #53….this post is about “progressives, locals” not about Iraq.
b) Hey, City Light got hoodwinked cuz its Democrat sponsors screwed up; Wanna did through the Heidi Wills fiasco..?
c) #27; its a road tax, not a bike path tax. Are we getting swimming pontoons too?
Clueless; this has nothing to do with saving 520. It allocates some partial money to studying it….I don’t think any proposal out there ponders repairs…only replacing it w/ a 4, 6 or formerly 8 lane bridge.
Gotta hope this 520 study doesn’t end up jamming a 4 lane replacement on us….$4billion to replicate what we arleady have
Roger, hope to hear from you on the City Light fiasco.
@48
Look at the bright side, MTR. The bike path will “canalize” the bicyclists, making it possible for you to run over them in batches, instead of one at a time.
@50
“How is the race or gender of a person relevant to their ability to perform the duties of the elected office?”
It’s not … so why have you rightwing Republican white males steadfastly refused to elect women or people of color to public offices for the last 200 years? Why did women have to pry the right to vote out of you rightwing Republican white males with a crowbar? Why did two presidents have to pry the right of minority people to vote out of you rightwing Republican white males with airborne divisions? And why do you go around asking why race or gender is relevant, when it’s so fucking obvious that it’s so highly relevant to you rightwing Republican white males?
We should be asking you, not the other way around. So I’m asking: Why is race and gender so relevant to you rightwing Republican white males?
@57
Actually, Bill, about two-thirds of the cost of each bus ride is subsidized by taxes — not just gas taxes, but also sales taxes.
Reply to 60
a) Excuuuuuse me, for being off topic (which apparently is an offense only when liberals do it. Okay, we’ll ignore $300 billion wasted on a losing war, so you can rant about $300 million wasted on a failed monorail. Buuut … when do we get to talk about the war?
b) Republicans did the hoodwinking, but let’s blame the victims, eh?
c) If you don’t want to pay gas taxes for bike paths, fine, let’s abolish bicycles and put ’em all in cars, so we can listen to you bitch about too many cars congesting roads. Every bicycle is one less car between you and where you want to go. That’s why we pay gas taxes for bike paths, dumbass.
Reply to 60(c) (continued)
Furthermore, I personally LIKE the idea of getting bicycles off the street and onto dedicated bike paths, so cars and bikes aren’t mixing it up on the road. It’s safer for the bicyclists, and easier on motorists’ insurance rates.
. . . and I don’t pay sales taxes somehow?!?!
Lets go over this one more time. I am actually not a biker, but the same idea applies. The pedestrian right of way predates the road. Since you dont actually need a road for a bike, the same idea applies. Once you put in the road and cut of the pedestrian right of way, you’ve got to provide an alternate route for those pedestrians you robbed to put in your nasty highway.
Saying ‘just build my road’ doesn’t work, youve got to pay the pedestrians you are stealing right of way from, much like youd need to pay someone if you decided to put a road through their back yard. Unless of course you plan on providing cars and drivers for everyone which I really think is a stupid idea.
roger, even if you are right…..
Our stupidos running DOT can’t even get the dedicated bike lanes right. Go out 520, nice expensive bike lane, that suddenly dumps you into the narrowest and most dangerous of streets around Burgermaster. Ouch….
Whether DOT or ST our guys love trains and trails to nowhere….somehow equating some miles of rail/trail as success.
I’d prefer a solution. And yeah, i’d ride a train or ride a bike if it did the job.
Rog—
Bicyclists are arrogant and irreverent. They believe they are ENTITLED to add to the cost of road construction projects and FREELOAD at the expense of Motor Vehicles. Read the post from these CLOWNS!!
Some of these PINHEADS try very hard to rationalize all these FREE bikelanes saying they also drive cars????? THAT DOESN’T MATTER YOU CLOWNS!!! The GasTax is from vehicles and should be used for VEHICLES.
The next fallacy is that the Bike Lannes really don’t cost anything! What a crock of shit! They aren’t riding their bikes on AIR are they???? It sure looks like those wheels are on pavement….FREE PAVEMENT that they didn’t pay for with their sweat glands. So how much have these Bike Lanes COST gas users???? MILLIONS!!! How much have bike users paid??? ZERO!!!!
The other fallacy I read was that Bike Lanes require ZERO maintenance. What a bunch of shit that is. I see bikers tossing garbage and having shit fall off their bikes all the time. PLUS the huge cost is the CONSTRUCTION COSTS!!! It’s not FREE Construction CLOWNS!!!
I ride a bike. Bikers need to start paying their way….starting with the Moses Lake project.
Some of the biggest complainers about my calling BULLSHIT on the Biker FREELOADERS are the same assholes complaining about Developer FREELOADERS getting away with not paying their fair share.
We have some educating to do here Rog——
Hey righton—
Can you believe the attitudes of the FREELOADING Bikers????
They vote to keep the GasTax because they don’t drive and want FREE Bike Lanes.
These CLOWNS are serious about their ENTITLEMENT!!!
The Cops need to start enforcing the rules of the road on these idiots.
In some towns, cops have confessed they have been told to lay off the bikers….who are constantly running stop signs and making illegal turns.
Let’s see now–
Bikers want cars to pay for THEIR roadway. Drivers are greedy if they won’t pay their way. Bikers are “progressive” because they refuse to pay their way. Does “progressive” mean FREELOADER????
Comment by hardovertoport— 11/10/05 @ 9:50 am
“Why is your question important?”
Because ideas matter and race and gender don’t. Apparently to
liberalsprogressives race and gender do matter. Since, they went to the trouble of pointing out the race and gender of theliberalprogressive candidates that won yesterday.“Let me guess: You’re a white male, probably over 40, and accustomed to being the default choice in life – and when you aren’t the adefault choice and now that you are no longer getting automatic white boy points, you’re being discriminated against, right? tsk, tsk, cry baby, cry. ”
Why is my race or gender important? I’m not making any claim that males or whites were being displaced, or that progressives being elected is in anyway discriminatory.
Conservative @ 80
It seems to me that the Republicans, not the Democrats, “have a dream.”
It is SO hypocritical that the Left shines a spotlight on someone’s PRIVATE “intimate” life (hah! Take THAT, Filter!), but then quickly disavows the comments by saying, “not that there is anything wrong with that.”
Proud to be an Ass@12….said……” prop 13 has gutted california. let’s not let it happen here.”
are you kidding? you really shouldn’t talk about things you onviously know nothing about! prop. 13 has been the saving grace of california and the people that live in it……..get a clue.
don’t worry though…it would never happen in the people’s republic of washington/seattle. dean logan won’t let it.
Here’s why progressives are winning.
1) People realize WE are the party of fiscal responsibility. It was under a DEMOCRATIC President that the last budget was balanced and under a REPUBLICAN that the largest deficit in history was created.
2) People realize that WE are the party of LESS government. The REPUBLICANS want MORE government intrusion into our lives. They want to tell our wives when and if they can have an abortion, they want to tell us who we can marry, they want to tell us what we can smoke, they want to tell us who we can sleep with. It’s the REPUBLICANS who want to intrude in our lives.
3) People realize that their right to be free from religious persecution will be protected by the progressives. It’s the REPUBLICANS and their EXTREME RIGHT WING PUPPET MASTERS who want to turn America into a theocracy. They want to dictate which God you believe in and what church you go to.
4) People realize that the DEMOCRATS are the Godly party, seeking to feed the poor, and avoid war. Both commandments of Jesus Chirst that the REPUBLICANS ignore.
5) People realize that the REPUBLICANS cannot be trusted on national security. They outed a CIA agent for nothing other than political gain.
That’s why we won Tue. That’s why we’ll continue to win.
So, when out of state left wing groups come in and swing races it is “progressive”. But if out of state right leaning groups do the same it is somehow different? Typical liberal bullshit. Do not worry about practicing what you preach commies.
It’s not just Washington. PM is doing a great job nationally as well.
Comment by Roger Rabbit— 11/10/05 @ 12:04 pm
“Why did two presidents have to pry the right of minority people to vote out of you rightwing Republican white males with airborne divisions?”
A Republican President, Eisenhower, sent in the 101st Airborne to allow nine black students to attend Little Rock High School. So I guess he’s just another racist Republican from the 50s. Just like George Wallace, oh wait, he was a Democrat.
Your broad generalizations of Democrats and Republicans, regarding racism, just aren’t true. There is a history of racism in both parties. Neither party has a monopoly on racism, or one on tolerance.
Roger – I was all ready to tell you how smart you were about bicycles, and then you lobbed another of your nasty insults my way. Oh well.
What do all you progressives have to say about the shameful treatment that Michael Steele got from the dems is Maryland? Is it okay to hurl racist slurs at a black man, as long as he is a Republican? It is such total nonsense that minorities only have a home in the democratic party.
Roger Rabbit@26
Water over the bridge but my neighbor was confused she said and voted no on I912 thinking that it meant no gas tax, no excuse but I wonder how many times that happened with our fixed income elderly that dont read as well as they used to?
Chuck, with all the illiterates in your neighborhood and on the right, it probably happens very often. LMAO
Cheesy Chuckie @89
My suggestion for next time is write your initiative IN FAVOR of the gas tax. That way, when your neighbors find out it’s your initiative, they’ll vote against it, and you’ll get what you want.
FireSideChat you are an arrogant ass. You in bed with RogerRabbit? Do you find humor in the illiteracy in this country? No laughing matter, especially since it is usually a tool used by Dummycrats to beg for more government aid to the “under-privileged”.
Read #14 VERY CAREFULLY. Those without blinders on will be prepared.
#23 You mean to tell me there are no black or female snowflakes in that avalanche? Who is really guilty of segregating these members of the population? Note to ponder: Why do companies hire men at all if they can get woman to do the same job for less? Don’t credit anti-discrimination laws, how long have they been around?
Wasting billions on a worthless war? Another arrogant American comment. You are an example of those in this country who are oblivious of our vulnerabilty. We are not immortal. Get your head out the sand/your ass. Do you consider WWII a worthless war? Weren’t we fighting terrorism then, also? Weren’t we fighting to protect people from a tyrant in that war?
Finally, all the gloating over winning by 60%, 67%, 55%, etc, sounds more like a sigh of relief, almost like you were surprised yourself at winning?
filtered!
300 billion on a worthless war? How arrogant can you be? Get your head out of the sand, or out of your flabby, conceited ass. Was WWII a worthless war? Did we not fight terrorism in that war? Was there a tyrant that needed to be stopped? Also, how many times were we attacked under the previous Dummycrat administration? How many times have we been attacked under the current? Get a clue, people. We are global, and the rest of the world doesn’t think like we do, whether we like it or not. Pansy-assed “make love, not war” shit ain’t going to cut it anymore.
DiBS @ 94
Take two Valiums (Valia?) and one Midol and get back to us in the morning.
Why, so I can be like you? No thanks, ignorant bliss is not for me.
Roger Rabbit@91
I find it sick that you poke fun at the elderly with failing eyesight and less than lightening thinking that comes with age…I pity you!
Thanks, DJ, you actually proved my point. You rejoice over women winning elections but then make a comment about Midol. Hypocrite. Who is “discriminating” and stereotyping now?
DiBS @ 98
Thanks, DJ, you actually proved my point.
I did????? Your original post was some rant about the rest of the world not thinking like us. I don’t think I “proved that point” with anything I’ve said.
“You rejoice over women winning elections but then make a comment about Midol. Hypocrite. “Who is “discriminating” and stereotyping now? “
That’s funny! I have no idea DiBS whether you are a man or a woman, but my advice to you was not contingent on either your sex or your gender.
Here is some other advice for you: Go fuck yourself with a rusty coat hanger (no gender or sex differences implied).