Holiday open thread

Whether you are celebrating Christmas, or Quanza, or Chinese Food Takeout Day, or Festivus, or engaging in The War on Christmas™, may your holidays/warfare be blessed with good cheer, loving family, best friends, good times, lots and lots of loot, plenty of vacation days, as well as sober, competent designated drivers….

Michelle Obama reads ‘Twas the Night Before Christmas.

Canada says, “Merry Christmas America”: A Boxing Day Primer.

The War On Christmas:

Christmas at the White House.

UCB Comedy: A Christmas message for parents.

Ann Telnaes: Happy Holidays from the Obamas.


  1. 3

    Zotz sez: Happy Holidays to all, even Bob and Pudpuller. spews:

    It’s a white xmas here. The days are getting longer again. Life is good.

    The Zotz’s wish you laughter, joy of living, and a full belly.

  2. 4

    Don Joe spews:

    Saw a bumper sticker on a car that was being driven by a most rude person. The bumper sticker read, “Put the ‘Christ’ back in ‘Christmas’”.

    I have no qualms if Christians want to put the ‘Christ’ back in Christmas, but I think Christians need to realize that it won’t happen if they insist on asking the rest of us to do it for them.

  3. 5

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Republicans, as usual, are stuck in the chimney. (No, they aren’t coming to leave toys; they’re after the milk and cookies.)

  4. 6

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    I checked to see if (u)SP wished their friends “Merry Christmas.” No such luck. Just a rant against green energy.

  5. 7


    4: Standard response to that: “You are aware that Christmas started as a pagan holiday on which Christ’s name was slapped as a marketing ploy, right?”

  6. 8

    Boyd Krapper spews:

    re 6: The second part of the “Never give a sucker an even break” quote was “and never try to smarten up a chump.”

    Courtesy of WC Fields

  7. 10

    Mrs Rabbit spews:

    Merry Christmas – Peace on earth.

    Dear Lord:

    My Christmas wish for all:

    Please ban all assault weapons and may all the gun nuts and right wing haters find peace and prosperity on another planet in another universe, so the rest of us can all get along.

    Amen Shalom Peace be with all

  8. 11

    Liberal Scientist is a Dirty Fucking Socialist Hippie spews:

    Merry Holidays and Happy Solstice and Joyous Baby Jesus Day from the LibSci clan!

  9. 12

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Actor Charles Durning, 89, has died. He played opposite Dustin Hoffman in Tootsie, inThe Sting, and numerous other films. His father was a disabled World War 1 veteran and half of his siblings died in childhood; his mother supported the family by washing uniforms for West Point cadets. Wounded several times in World War 2, Durning participated in the glider landings behind Omaha beach and was the sole survivor in his unit; later, he was captured during the Battle of the Bulge, and survived a Nazi prisoner massacre. Once he killed a young German soldier who had bayoneted him with a rock. He was awarded a Silver Star, three Purple Hearts, and the French Legion of Honor. Durning was never able to talk about his war experiences.

  10. 13

    Michael spews:

    We can’t even have a ceasefire on Christmas?

    OAKLAND — While a pastor sermonized about the meaning of Christmas on Monday night, his parishioners dove to the floor as a hail of bullets was fired outside the East Oakland church.
    The Christmas Eve gunfire wounded a 17-year-old male outside the church. Inside, a 38-year-old woman was struck by a stray bullet while shielding her children.
    Gunfire elsewhere in Oakland killed a man on Christmas Day at 24th and Chestnut streets, the city’s 127th homicide of the year.

  11. 14


    Durning was never able to talk about his war experiences.

    I did see Durning one time recite on stage the recollections of a Korean War veteran. It was pretty bleak as I recall and resembled Durnings own experiences..

    Durning was a versatile actor effortlessly churning out numerous memorable characters.. RIP… Jack Klugman now Durning.. Someone else just passed recently I can’t recall right now.. Damn it’s an epidemic out there.

  12. 17

    EvergreenRailfan spews:

    There was a documentary on the Military Channel about D-Day, I forget the title, where Durning narrated, he slipped a little first person reference in the narration, but not the details. Did not know he was the sole survivor of his unit. He was a great actor. I liked him as the Governor in the “Best Little Whorehouse in Texas” with Jim Nabors, Burt Reynolds, Dolly Parton and Dom Delouise.

  13. 18

    Michael spews:

    Divorce rate per 1,000 people:
    Alabama: 5.4
    Arizona: 4.7
    Arkansas: 6.2
    Kentucky: 5.2
    Idaho: 5.3

    Minnesota: 3.1
    Connecticut 3.3
    Maryland: 3.4
    Massachusetts: 2.5

    Looks to me that Red States are leading the way on high divorce rates. Red States are also leading the way when it comes to knuckle dragging bastards that think women should stay with the drunks and men who beat them.

    And we leave people’s children out it. That you would drag someone’s child into the mud, just shows what a worthless piece of shit you are. Don’t be real surprised as the world leaves you, and those like you, behind.

  14. 20

    MikeBoyScout spews:

    Clearly George Soros is to blame

    FreedomWorks tea party group nearly falls apart in fight between old and new guard

    The day after Labor Day, just as campaign season was entering its final frenzy, FreedomWorks, the Washington-based tea party organization, went into free fall.

    Richard K. Armey, the group’s chairman and a former House majority leader, walked into the group’s Capitol Hill offices with his wife, Susan, and an aide holstering a handgun at his waist. The aim was to seize control of the group and expel Armey’s enemies: The gun-wielding assistant escorted FreedomWorks’ top two employees off the premises, while Armey suspended several others who broke down in sobs at the news.

    The coup lasted all of six days. By Sept. 10, Armey was gone — with a promise of $8 million — and the five ousted employees were back.


  15. 21

    MikeBoyScout spews:

    And now, an update on the fine work and accomplishments of Washington’s own, Cathy McMorris Rodgers, Chairwoman of the House Republican Conference.

    In addition to the Austerity Bomb the Republican Conference is determined to explode via in-action, there’s even more in store!

    Forget the fiscal crisis and the automatic budget cuts. Come Jan. 1, there is a threat that milk prices could rise to $6 to $8 a gallon if Congress does not pass a new farm bill that amends farm policy dating back to the Truman presidency.

    No worries, Chairwoman of the House Republican Conference, Washington’s own Cathy McMorris Rodgers has something to say

    7/12/12 – Washington, D.C. – Rep. Cathy McMorris Rodgers (R-WA) applauded the House Agriculture Committee for passing a new farm bill last night in a bipartisan vote. The legislation – which is a high priority for Eastern Washington’s agricultural community – now moves to the House floor. [snip]
    “I’ve been a strong advocate for getting a new farm bill signed into law this year, and I will continue working with my House colleagues to make that goal a reality. With yesterday’s important milestone, I am more confident than ever that it will get done, which will be a great victory for Eastern Washington’s largest industry.”

    Well, here we are 5 months later and the Republican House Leadership has still not brought the Farm Bill to the floor of the House.

    Surely they’ll get that done today.
    Oh wait, the House, which has been on a break since last Friday is not in session today.

    Buy that milk before your paycheck gets hit by the Republican Austerity Bomb and milk costs $8/gallon.

    Leadership! Cathy McMorris Rodgers, Washington’s own and the Chairwoman of the House Republican Conference. Taking an extended holiday!

  16. 23

    rhp6033 spews:

    # 12, 14. I was wondering how Durning could have been in the glider assaults at Normandy and still end up at the Malmady massacre site.

    The Airborne wasn’t at the massacre at Malmady (they arrived to protect Bastogne). Turns out he wasn’t with the airborne, he was with the 1st Infantry Division (The “Big Red One”). I’ve never heard of the infantry being in the glider assaults, but I guess it’s possible – I’ll check.

    But there’s no disputing that Durning was in the Normandy invasion – he got four machine gun bullet holes to prove it, one of which remained in his hip for the rest of his life. But he supported himself between acting gigs as a dance instructor!

  17. 24

    MikeBoyScout spews:

    Adding to @21 above, the day before Chairwoman of the House Republican Conference, Washington’s own Cathy McMorris Rodgers “applauded” her Republican colleagues and promised to get a Farm Bill signed in to law this year, the Republican led House of Representatives held its 33rd vote to repeal ObamaCare.

    Think of that when your lighter pay check ponies up for $8/gallon milk.

  18. 25

    MikeBoyScout spews:

    More brave LEADERSHIP by House Republicans!
    [via Politico, so no linky]

    House Republican leadership is holding a conference call Wednesday, as a stalemate over the fiscal cliff continues.

    The call is limited to top GOP leaders, not the full House Republican conference, according to several sources.

    But top Republicans also need to discuss whether to bring the House into session. GOP leadership has promised lawmakers a 48-hour warning if they decide to convene. That means the absolute earliest the House can come back would be Friday, if the warning was given Wednesday. But weather in Washington is dreadful and its the height of the holiday travel season. Sources say it’s still possible the House returns before Jan. 1.

    I think they could get their members back to do their job if they’d promise to vote to repeal ObamaCare at the end of each day’s business.

    $8/gallon milk – brought to you by Washington’s own Cathy McMorris Rodgers, Chairwoman of the House Republican Conference!

  19. 26

    MikeBoyScout spews:

    When faced with a problem, the House Republican Caucus acted…. sort of

    With just days left before the Jan. 1 deadline, when the federal government faces a series of tax increases and deep spending cuts, House Speaker John A. Boehner’s leadership team has decided that bouncing bills back and forth between the chambers would be the fastest way to reach a compromise.

    “They must be amended and returned to the House. Once this has occurred, the House will then consider whether to accept the bills as amended, or to send them back to the Senate with additional amendments. The House will take this action on whatever the Senate can pass, but the Senate first must act,” wrote Boehner (R-Ohio), Majority Leader Eric I. Cantor (Va.), Majority Whip Kevin McCarthy (Calif.) and Rep. Cathy McMorris Rodgers (Wash.), chairman of the GOP conference.

    Still no word if the House Republican leaders will ask their members to come back to work.

    Republican “Leadership“!

  20. 27

    rhp6033 spews:

    # 26: Just a continuation of the Republican tactic of insisting that the White House and Senate negotiate with itself, until they reach the point where the House decides if their efforts are “worthy” of further consideration.

    No word yet, however, on how the Republicans are going to negotiate with themselves, to decide what they will or will not accept.

    I’m tired of this B.S. Wait till the new Congress convenes in January.

    In the meantime, put the screws to the most obstinate tea-baggers, by letting them know that their position may receive the highest priority in Democractic funding for defeat if they don’t “see the light”. Let the moderate Republicans (are there any?) know that we won’t mount a serious challenge to their seats if they prove themselves to be reasonable.

    There isn’t an issue in the “fiscal cliff” which can’t wait three more weeks to make retroactive.

  21. 28

    rhp6033 spews:

    It might be a good time to let Boener know that a credible Democratic candidate might challenge him in 2014 for his long-time House seat. If Boener loses his fight for the House Speaker role, that makes him less valuable in his district and more likely to be picked off (think of Tom Foley).

  22. 29

    MikeBoyScout spews:


    Look, there are things the House could do vis-a-vis the Austerity Bomb. The President has been asking since the day after the election for the House Republican Conference to allow the Senate bill passed in August which extends the tax cuts on income up to $250k to come to the floor for a vote; a vote that would garner a majority of the House.

    But the House Republican Conference, chaired by Washington’s own Cathy McMorris Rodgers won’t allow a vote.

    And there is more than just the Austerity Bomb which remains undone. Despite Washington’s own Cathy McMorris Rodgers, Chairwoman of the House Republican Conference promise to bring the Farm Bill to the House floor for a vote back in July, they’ve not done it. The result will be a significant increase in the price of milk, AND unneeded federal expenditures purchasing milk.

    It ain’t just the teabaggers. It is the entire House Republican Conference and its inability to govern – at all.
    Did I mention that the House Republican Conference is chaired by Washington’s own Cathy McMorris Rodgers?

  23. 30

    rhp6033 spews:

    By the way…

    “He who struggles to remain relevent”, i.e., Donald Trump, insists that the Republicans hold the, er, trump card because the deficit ceiling will need to be raised.

    Of course, that’s the least the issues which will need to be addressed.

    He forgets that a government shutdown staged by Republican intransigence helped the Democrates restore their position in Congress (a close call) in the late 1990′s. Of course, Newt Gingrich doesn’t forget that – he lost his speakership the following year as a consequence.

  24. 31

    ArtFart spews:

    @28, etc. Apparently the GOP leadership’s strategy has now been altered to dedication to “making sure Barack Obama is a two-term President”.

  25. 32

    CPO spews:

    Mrs Rabbit @ 10, your little prayer for gun nuts to find peace and prosperity on another planet must have been for your sweet husband Mr. Roger Rabbit, since he has been known to say Liberals must arm themselves. Plus say that fools who depend on cops to show up deserve what they get when criminals are busting down their doors, they need to arm themselves against this.

    Lately Roger has been turning the other way, he must be pussy whipped, or in your case rabbit whipped to deny his right to protect himself and you.

  26. 33

    rhp6033 spews:

    # 29: Regardless of whether it is the entire Republican caucus, the way to defeat them is to divide and conquer. That’s the example by the Republicans in our own state leglislature – if you can’t beat them at the polling booths, get them to switch sides afterwards. We could do this nationally, as well. The Republicans did this in 1981 with the “Blue Dog” Democrats in order to pass Reagan’s tax cuts and budgets.

    It’s not like they have some deep underlying principles at stake, other than getting rich and keeping their seats in Congress.

  27. 34

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @18 Reminds me of the joke about a guy from Alabama complaining he’s been married four times and still has the same in-laws.

  28. 35

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @16 Another illiterate who can’t spell “to.” Sheesh! How do these stupid trolls manage to reproduce?

  29. 36

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @32 Why don’t you try kicking down the door to my burrow so you can personally find out how many of my Second Amendment Rights {bells ringing} I’ve given up.

    You’re right about one thing, though: Mrs. Rabbit is sweet!

    [No I won't take a lie detector test -- do you think I'm stupid?]

  30. 38

    CPO spews:

    @36, I’m glad to hear that you haven’t gone over to the dark side completely. Of course you know that those shaking in their boots, afraid of their own shadow, wetting their pants at the sight of a gun scary cats want to take your hand guns away also. The yearly gun deaths these scary cats bloviate about are mostly caused by hand guns both revolvers and semi autos. So don’t think they wouldn’t be coming to knock down your door to your burrow for the weapons you do own some time in the future.

    After so many years of the extreme right taking away our liberties, habeas corpus, warrantless searches, turning our country into a police state, we now have the extreme left wanting to take even more of our liberties away, the Second Amendment right to own a firearm. I wouldn’t be surprised that the next Amendment they will want to take from us is the First. They’ll be going after violent video games and movies. I don’t like violent games and videos either, but I don’t think I have a right to keep people who do from watching them.

    I sometimes think both sides are working together to turn our country into a police state.

  31. 39

    rhp6033 spews:

    In the news this morning, Tim Eyman is seeking (by Initiative 517, appropriately) to have the time extended for for gathering initiative signatures by six months. More importantly, he wants to create “harrassment-free” zones around initiative gatherers, making it a crime to “intimidate or interfere with signature gathering”.

    The second part is particularly dangerous, because out-of-state workers trucked in on a pay-per-signature basis have been particularly obnoxious over the past few years in telling outright lies. I have personally heard them deny it’s a Tim Eyman initiative, say the vote is only “advisery”, and try to obtain signatures from people who they know are not entitled to vote. In the latter case, they tried to coerce a signature from my boss, a Japanese national who told them no, but they insisted he had to do so or they would call the “immigration authorities” to report him.

    Each time I’ve engaged the signature gatherers, starting off respectfully to make sure they (and anyone approaching their table) know that the intitiative is flawed. But if they get rude, or obviously try to break the law themselves, I get rude right back in their face (the one trying to get my boss to sign tried to have the manager of the QFC store he was in front of call Bellevue police to have me arrested for trespassing – they refused).

    So now Eyman want’s immunity to allow his initiative gatherers to commmit any crime they wish, and have anyone who confronts them taken to jail.

  32. 40

    rhp6033 spews:

    One of my favorite claims by Eyman signature gatheres is one they obviously learned from a script and training class – they claim that “Washington State has the highest tax rates in the nation”. Utter B.S.