Friday Night Multimedia Extravaganza!

Sam Seder: Teleprompter obsessed Marco Rubio FUCKS UP.

Stephen: The bridge between liberals and conservatives.

Roy Zimmerman: Vote Republican—Maine edition.

Mitt Romney and Rudy Giuliani: a match made in heaven.

Romney versus Reality: Student loan edition.

The Partisans: Obama’s campaign still trying to find a slogan.

Thom: The Good, the Bad, and the Very, Very Ugly.

Sam Seder: Romney’s foreign policy adviser talks Obama and…Czechoslovakia???

Buzz 60: White House Correspondents Dinner and Bin Laden Death.

Young Turks: Tony Perkins (Family Research Council) is a Birther?!?

Jay Inslee goes on the radio and drinks:

Mark Fiore: Cyber-Snuggly.

Stephen on Obama’s slow-jammed news.

Thom: The best Democracy money can buy.

The candidates test some slogans.

Young Turks: Gov. Phil Bryant (R-MS) says Dems want to kill children.

Liberal Viewer: Analysis of Arizona anti-immigration law.

Sam Seder: The biggest beneficiaries of our corrupt politics.

Alyona: What would Jesus cut?

Ad: Empower, Act, Organize.

WA Lands Commissioner Peter Goldmark answers some questions.

Jon on Mitt’s Reboot.

More Skirmishes in the GOP War on Women™:

Young Turks: What will Romney and Republicans run on in 2012 now that bin Laden is dead?

Jon on the Secret Service prostitution scandal.

Alyona: The Walmart bribery scandal.

Attacking Obama as a celebrity.

Buzz 60: Romney wins five and Obama slow jams with Fallon.

ONN: Obama approval down afterphotos surface of him eating big sandwich all alone.

Marco Rubio has the perfect VP moment.

Mitt in the tank for Big Oil.

Newsy: Student loan interest rate cuts causes controversy.

Kimmel with another episode of Unnecessary Censorship.

Bill Clinton on being “The Decider”:

Thom: More Good, Bad, and Very, Very Ugly.

Who is Mitt Romney listening to?

Pap: The Anti-Government crowd is trying to dismantle public schools.

Alyona: The Walmart bribery scandal.

White House: West Wing Week.

Ann Telnaes: The Elephant in the room.

Young Turks: ALEC and for-profit colleges.

Alyona: Welcome to the Drone Age.

Jon on N.C. issues.

Sam Seder: Don’t let Obama take our guns!

Liberal Viewer: FOX News fraud on voter fraud and voter ID.

Romney versus Reality: Global Edition.

Last week’s Friday Night Multimedia Extravaganza can be found here.

Comments

  1. 1

    Deathfrogg spews:

    The Soviets called it “agitprop”. The purpose was to agitate people through sowing of doubt even amongst people who would normally be in a position to know otherwise. Geeks call it “FUD”; Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt. It creates a sense of distrust amongst the spectators in the argument and is aimed at the people most easily influenced by particular types of phraseology or media. This is it’s express purpose.

    FOXNews has several specialists in these methods. As an example, Orly Taite was born into a KGB family, and raised in a KGB school. When she came into her 15 minutes here in the US, she was well-versed in the propaganda methods and supported by the individuals who would like to see nothing better than everyone wondering what the facts really are, even in the face of direct evidence that anyone is allowed to look at. she was very well paid for her knowledge, and became quite wealthy. When she’d used up her credibility, she faded off into the woodwork.

    The Koch family, the Bush family, people like Sheldon Adelson and Ken Griffin et al, are heavily invested in Chinese manufacturing and property. Rupert Murdoch has apparently aquired several thousand acres of prime farmland in eastern China, as has Foster Friess and other hard core rightists. The Bush family is heavily invested in similar properties in Northern Brazil.

    China is corrupt, everyone who has done business there knows that, and they know full well that, like Mexico, one must be willing to allow Government officials to chisel off parts of ones profit and take a piece of the pie for themselves. Thats just the reality of it. They are in a position to deny anyone seeking to do business there the ability to do so. In exchange for such payoffs of course, the businessman is shielded by the local officials from any real scrutiny by the law, including that of outsiders.

    So you kick down a little cash for those folks. You have to, or you just don’t do business there. China is famous for this, as is Mexico, Brazil, Hong Kong, Taiwan, much of Africa etc. Florida and New Orleans and New York City too.

    So what you are seeing now, is people like the Kochs and other mega-industrialists being supported in their propaganda efforts by agitprop specialists from the old Soviet Union and China, just as the CIA and FBI recruited former SS and Gestapo officials into their ranks after the second world war. Money talks, if one can create a private intelligence network working at the behest of, and for the interests of the largest corporations in the world or the wealthiest individuals, one not need even spend a whole lot of one’s own money to do so. Call it “consultation” or even build specialist companies that are entirely dedicated to investigating, gathering, consolidating and analyzing such intelligence and disseminating agitation propaganda to counter any opposition. Such expenses are even tax-deductible. It isn’t difficult when major shareholders are also the owners of the mass media. Most of those companies have internal operating budgets that exceed whole national outlays for some countries. You can do a hell of a lot of with a billion dollars if you place it in the right hands and hire the right people. Imagine what one could do with $100 Billion.

    Psychologists, anthropologists, journalists, and the owners of media companies are just as corrupt as the rest of the population. More so if they are working for a company and their focus is on maintaining a political position for that company or industrial concern even if it means supporting the political positioning of a market competitor.

    I can think of five such companies right off the bat. They are very well funded, being contracted to some of the wealthiest and most powerful mega-corporations in the world, and they work right out in the open. They’re even traded on the stock market.

  2. 2

    Puddybud spews:

    Somehow this was missed by the Friday Night Funnies Purveyor… Remember Obummer was for the Egyptian Arab Spring, even though he was warned by others the Muslim Brotherhood would take over… So we have these two stories here and here skipped over by the thread creator…

    Why? Maybe something about a “match made in heaven” was misconstrued as always…

  3. 3

    Deathfrogg spews:

    I don’t understand the point of your links there, Spudds. Not one mention of the Muslim Brotherhood, only another article on an example of the regular trade disputes that all countries trading in close quarters experience, and another on how Women are not being treated equally in countries that have culturally always treated their Women as property.

    What do you propose we do? Give definitive answers, use factual information given the cultural norms of the nations involved. Make one single attempt to illustrate your point concerning each of the articles you’ve linked to here. Please be succinct.

  4. 4

    No Time for Fascists spews:

    Geeks call it “FUD”; Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt.
    I heard that on the two days I listened to conservative radio on my way in.

    Day 1
    On the one conservative station they were talking about the beating of Reginald Denny and the coming Race Riots and that all white people should be very afraid of the violent brown people.
    On the other conservative station, they were talking about the dangers of Islamic terrorist and how they were hell bent on destroying Christian white Americans.

    Day 2
    On one Conservative talk radio station they were discussing that new labor rules would not allow Christians like Tim Tebow to work on small farms.
    On the other Conservative talk radio station they were wondering if FARC (Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia) was behind the Secret Service scandal, or maybe it was the Russians. Either way, communists were some how involved.

    See a theme?
    Be afraid, be very afraid.

  5. 5

    shark tales spews:

    @4

    And you dont think the progressive radio nerds use the same tactic?

    LMFAO…of course they do…

    its all about herding the partisan lemmings – which is most of the people here.

  6. 6

    Puddybud spews:

    The State Department again announced the War on Terror is over… AGAIN…

    “Now that we have killed most of Al Qaeda, now that people have come to see legitimate means of expression, people who once might have gone into Al Qaeda see an opportunity for a legitimate Islamism.”

    Now that is big news, yet the Friday Night Funnies Purveyor chose not to trumpet that. I guess Obummer’s Sadministration received a red phone call that the jihadis (friends of many HA leftist peeps) stopped plotting mayhem against the western society!

    Just read the National Journal article called “The Post Al Qaida Era”.

    But others have claimed master bomb maker Ibrahim Hassan al-Asiri has re-surfaced. Hmmm… And didn’t Iran recently announce it was building an army of computer hackers to attack American infrastructure, disabling our water supplies, knocking out our high power electrical grid, and causing great havoc to anything computers interact with. Maybe that latest MAC OSX Virus was their first attempt. Maybe they are the next WikiLeaks or Anonymous peeps, you know, more leftists!

    Sadly this news never makes the Friday Night Funnies!

  7. 7

    Puddybud spews:

    I don’t understand the point of your links there, Spudds

    That’s because the metal from your previous job has your mind clouded. What did the Muslim Brotherhood recently announce regarding Israel? You have no clue without Goggling it! You haven’t been paying attention to Egypt since Mubarak was deposed. And we know why! Liberalism is a mental disorder.

    I have, since I take trips to the Middle East every so often. You have to carry two passports. Do you know why that is Froggy?

  8. 9

    spews:

    Oh my! That’s a disturbing article about mysogyny indeed cited by the frothing at the mouth insane fool Puddybud..

    All to deflect from the insane leader of his ideology Rush Limbaugh who called a witness at a woman’s health hearing a slut and a prostitute three freaking days in a row and insisted on watching her perform sex acts.

    And 1000 plus laws pushed in this country to limit a woman’s autonomy.

    Wow what a warrior for female freedom you are dumbass.

    And here’s one of your “weapons”.

    Wield it well dope. Your “leaders” command you.

  9. 10

    spews:

    And the fool purveys an article about a gas deal?

    And the article purports that Avigdor Lieberman is being “conciliatory” with what? The Muslim Brotherhood?

    Only gas I smell around here is Puddybud’s smelly brain farts.

  10. 11

    Puddybud spews:

    All to deflect from the insane leader of his ideology Rush Limbaugh who called a witness at a woman’s health hearing a slut and a prostitute three freaking days in a row and insisted on watching her perform sex acts.

    What is this moron babbling about? Deflection? Where you idiot? Oh I see, you are deflecting for the attacks on Ann Romney, breast cancer survivor and MS sufferer.

    It’s not me screaming we need to jockstrap the Palestinian cause when they will never support Israel’s right to exist. It’s not me who approves $Billions to Egypt in aid after congress said no to it.

    Typical idiot!

  11. 12

    Puddybud spews:

    And the article purports that Avigdor Lieberman is being “conciliatory” with what? The Muslim Brotherhood?

    What a moron!!!!! If Lieberman attacks the Muslim Brotherhood then there is no way to ever get the gas flowing again.

    MAN YOU R STUPID!

  12. 13

    Deathfrogg spews:

    @ 6, 7 and 8

    So, if we attack Iran, they still have no right whatsoever to attack us back? This is what I don’t understand, you Fascist folks seem to have no grasp whatsoever about how warfare actually works. I will spell it out for you real slow.

    If the conservative pro-war corporatists succeed in creating the political atmosphere in which American citizens would be convinced to start a war with someone like Iran, do you think that we’d be left free, happy and clean here at home?

    I would like you to seriously answer that question without hyperbole.

    I would think that with the support of Russia and China, Iran would hardly be left as helpless in it’s own defense as Iraq was. We didn’t attack Iraq because they were strong and threatened us, we attacked them because they were weak and unable to defend themselves and they had something we wanted. Iran is NOT going to be such an easy pushover. Unlike Iraq, they have friends, friends with powerful and well-established military institutions. Iran has a very long and well-established military tradition. They are not stupid, nor are they weak.

    It would seem to me that it would be better to not start a war in the first place. Iran is surrounded by hostile forces with political supporters that are actively and publicly promoting an attack on their nation. They are perfectly aware of that. How would you expect any nation to react under such circumstances?

    If you think for one second, that we could launch a war against Iran and not suffer consequences here at home, even severe consequences such as the loss of several large population centers and critical industrial infrastructure, you’re even stupider than I thought you were.

  13. 14

    spews:

    I’ll cite a right wing source to send PuddySilly into a frenzy:

    http://www.myfoxmemphis.com/dp.....6_19479494

    Sorry dummy. Women in this country are waking up to dead seriousness of your right wing war on them.

    Hispanics, to which you are bigoted, have always known where they stood with the right wing. They vote accordingly.

    Four more years for Obama thanks to right wing hate.

    Right wing idiocy is a brain damage disorder.

  14. 15

    Puddybud spews:

    I would think that with the support of Russia and China, Iran would hardly be left as helpless in it’s own defense as Iraq was.

    Well that’s happened eh? Russia tells the UN Security Council to back off! China tells the UN Security Council to back off!

    Been to China recently… they don’t want anyone touching Syria… which, btw, is Iran’s proxy!

    Nuff said!

  15. 16

    Puddybud spews:

    Hispanics, to which you are bigoted, have always known where they stood with the right wing. They vote accordingly.

    Bigoted… Conservative balcks are not bigoted, liberal ones are. Search your faulty DB moron!

    That’s why they vote conservative in FL and TX. Conservative hispanics in TX legislature you moron!

    EPIC FAYLE!

  16. 17

    spews:

    the attacks on Ann Romney, breast cancer survivor and MS sufferer.

    Does Anne believe that all women who’ve struggled with health issues should have it as good as she has had it?

    Au pairs for the kids? Top of the line health care? Option to stay home with the kids?

    If she and Mitt are for that then they’ll have no problem with women this November.

    “Butt” we both know that won’t happen.

  17. 18

    Deathfrogg spews:

    @ 15

    So you can’t reply to any of my questions then. You cannot address the issues I presented at all.

    Syria has it’s own problems, not the least of which it is conducting an active pogrom against the majority population of it’s own nation. Bashar Al-Assad is a member of the minority population, and his Government is almost entirely made up of the same tribe that he comes from. Syria in the context of this conversation is a non-sequitur.

  18. 20

    spews:

    That’s why they vote conservative in FL

    Heh. Marco Rubio could have used a teleprompter the other day! What a bumbling dope!

  19. 21

    Politically Incorrect - who has been banned over at soundpolitics.com spews:

    The best foreign policy in non-intervention in the internal affairs of other countries. We’ve gotten ourselves in enough trouble meddling in other countries’ affairs to last a couple of centuries.

    We should start to remove ALL our troops from ALL foreign lands. Minding our own business (like the Swiss) should be our foreign policy.

  20. 22

    spews:

    How I love Texas justice!

    Puddybud seems to believe that conservative hispanics in TX are big supporters of it!

    Love this one:

    How was Morton finally freed? His wife’s brother had found the bloody bandanna the police left later that day, and he turned it in. For years, Williamson County fought Morton’s requests to have the evidence in his case tested. Prosecutors ridiculed his efforts and taunted him, saying they’d consider DNA testing the evidence only if Morton would first take responsibility for the crime.

    http://www.npr.org/2012/04/28/.....-injustice

    Is there anything more dumbassed blockheaded than a right wing Texas prosecutor?

  21. 24

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @5 Typical righty mea culpa: “We’re shitheads, but so are you.” Nope, that dog won’t hunt, you guys are in a (subterranean) class by yourselves.

  22. 25

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    The North Bend survivalist was found dead in his bunker … after his wife and daughter were found dead in his house.

    This guy didn’t even know how to burn down a house or wipe a computer let alone survive in the woods.

    I mean, the cops followed his footprints — and his wood smoke — right to his bunker. How dumb can he get?

    Another fucking NRA failure.

  23. 26

    shark tales spews:

    nice try Goebbels Rabbit….but your “we’re good, they’re bad” is the schtick that wont hunt no more.

    you lose.

  24. 27

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Roger Rabbit’s Advice For Would-Be Survivalists

    1. Fortifications are worse than useless, because they tie you down to a fixed location, so once you’re located, you’re as good as caught; and any fort, no matter how cleverly or strongly built, can be overcome by siege. All you have is a hole; they have backhoes, pneumatic drills, and explosives from C-4 all the way up to hydrogen bombs — one way or another they’re gonna dig you out of there.

    2. If you gotta dig a hole, dig a little one, not a big one. Little holes are harder to find. But the problem is, snakes can crawl into even the smallest of holes.

    3. If you’re being pursued, the best tactic is mobile warfare, not holing up. You’ll usually be okay if you run like hell through the densest brush in the woods, and keep moving because once they know where you are, it’s easy to surround you and wait for you to come out.

    4. In a hot pursuit, it’s better to be a small rabbit than a large deer, because smaller is harder to see.

    5. Living off the land is easier than trying to carry 30 years of food, lattes, and TP in a backpack. You can save a lot of weight by using leaves to wipe your ass. Weight slows you down, and a backpack tangles in brush.

    6. If you have to flee from Seattle cops for some reason, North Bend isn’t as good a place to hide as Paraguay is.

    7. You can save yourself all the trouble of building a hidey hole, stocking it with supplies, and fending off 100 cops by not doing anything to bring the cops looking for you in the first place.

    Any questions?

  25. 28

    No Time for Fascists spews:

    And you dont think the progressive radio nerds use the same tactic?
    No. They don’t.
    Don’t try to play the false equivalency argument. It doesn’t work.

    On those two days, the SINGLE liberal talk radio was talking about republicans making it harder to get a student loan.
    On the second, they were discussing the consequences of the republican funding rules will require closing post offices in small rural communities.
    (ohhhhh scary!)

    Shorter Conservative radio: Brown people are going to kill you, be terrified.
    Shorter Liberal radio: Republicans don’t want to pay their fair share of taxes so everyone suffers.

    Different by a factor of a million. Liberals do not, on a regular basis, hate monger like that. We would shun that kind of idiocy. Conservatives cannot say the same.

  26. 29

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @26 I didn’t say we’re good, stupid. I said your claim that we’re equally bad as you is bullshit. That’s not the same thing.

  27. 30

    Deathfrogg spews:

    Once, just once. I would like to hear a cognizant, well thought out statement of position and response from a conservative. We don’t have any conservatives anymore. We’ve got Fascists. Stupid, ignorant, lying reactionary psychopathic droolers with no fucking brains in their heads at all. Not a single act of basic cognation have I seen demonstrated in the various forums I converse in.

    You’re all a bunch of uneducated, lying crazy people. I declare I am no longer going to even attempt to be reasonable with the TeaBaggers. You pigs can take your petty little kindergarten mind games and fuck off.

  28. 31

    No Time for Fascists spews:

    st, Why are you a conservative? What do you stand for? What do you think is important? What do you value, that you think the republicans will accomplish?

  29. 32

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @31 I’ve never been able to figure out why people who claim to stand for “freedom” want to tell everyone else what to do.

  30. 33

    shark tales spews:

    31. No Time for Fascists spews:
    st, Why are you a conservative?

    who says Im conservative? or a rebublican?

    those silly fucking labels dont define or contain me…

  31. 34

    shark tales spews:

    28. No Time for Fascists spews:
    And you dont think the progressive radio nerds use the same tactic?
    No. They don’t.
    Don’t try to play the false equivalency argument. It doesn’t work.

    On those two days, the SINGLE liberal talk radio was talking about republicans making it harder to get a student loan.
    On the second, they were discussing the consequences of the republican funding rules will require closing post offices in small rural communities.
    (ohhhhh scary!)

    Shorter Conservative radio: Brown people are going to kill you, be terrified.
    Shorter Liberal radio: Republicans don’t want to pay their fair share of taxes so everyone suffers.

    Different by a factor of a million. Liberals do not, on a regular basis, hate monger like that. We would shun that kind of idiocy. Conservatives cannot say the same.

    04/28/2012 AT 12:31 PM

    thank you for acknowledging that you are just another partisan lemming – and one with a short memory.

    keep looking at the pretty lights and listening to the talking points…

  32. 35

    shark tales spews:

    Any questions?

    04/28/2012 AT 12:27 PM

    Yes, can we request that your old lady shut off your oxygen tank?

  33. 36

    No Time for Fascists spews:

    who says I’m conservative? or a republican? those silly fucking labels don’t define or contain me…

    If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck…
    You are sure willing to slam other people and say what others are doing wrong and call people names and dismiss them.
    But, again I ask, what do you stand FOR?

  34. 39

    Deathfrogg spews:

    By far, the best I Anonymous I have ever read in The Stranger.

    It made me think about something. While all the TeaBagger/NeoNazi wanna-be Zimmerman thugs out there are carrying their little pistols and talking big about how they have the right to rule the world, there are people like this guy. Fit, trained, and ready for a fight. The TeaBaggers sit in front of their television sets, light beer in one hand and remote in the other. getting fat, and even stupider than they were before.

    Noodles help us.

  35. 40

    Michael spews:

    @39

    We’ve got people like that in Gig Harbor, they try to start arguments with people who have bumper stickers they don’t like at the gas station, they cut in front of people in the self checkout at Costco (4 machines, one line), they blow through 4 way stops. They’re 40-60, male, overweight, and think people are afraid of them or that they can impose on people for some reason. I’m 6’2″ 190#. I ride a bike. I swim. I do some kick boxing. I spent 10 years at a job where I had to take a classes with names like “non-violent crises resolution” and “restraint & take down” for when the non-violent stuff didn’t work.

    I don’t think there’s really any question of what would happen if they really did push things and I needed to use force. But, I wonder if what they really want IS for someone to kick their ass.

    My favorite encounter with these types. Coming to a 4 way stop I guess the other guy thought he had the right of way. I stop. He stops. I start to go though the intersection. He shoots his car out into the intersection, stops and angrily waves his at me. His huge and expensive watch gleams on his wrist. He’s blocking my way, so I stop. He starts yelling at me, in his car, with the windows up. I have no idea what he’s saying. I back my car up 15′ or so. I drive around him and as I drive around him he’s again waving his fists at me. I stop. I reach down and pick up the axe that’s on the floor of my car and wave it at him. He gets a deer in the headlights look on his face, which goes pale and chirps his tires speeding away from me. I head over to my parents house and use the axe to help do some cleanup work in their yard.

    The way that guy blew up, I could see the veins bulging in his neck and on his forehead. He probably took a year off of his life in that one little 20 second encounter. For me, I laughed my ass off though the whole thing.

  36. 45

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @40 Careful, Michael. Threatening him with that axe is a prosecutable assault. Keep it hidden under the seat until he pulls his pistol on you, then … and make sure you’re in Florida when you …

  37. 46

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @35 (continued) You seem like the type who would ask an old woman to do your dirty work for you. Whatsamatter, aren’t you man enough to shut it off yourself? C’mon, I dare you …

    (click-click)

  38. 47

    shark tales spews:

    (click-click)

    04/28/2012 AT 7:23 PM

    whats the matter? is your Clapper broken?

    ole limp dick roger, still acting stupid and talking big.

  39. 48

    Michael spews:

    @45
    Yeah, I know I was safe in my car and while he was brandishing his fists I was brandishing a deadly weapon. But, I doubted anything would come of it and it looked like he was trying to hit me with his car for a second, and he’s the one that was going all road rage. Plus, I figured scaring the crap out of him might keep him from doing the same thing in the future in a situation that might get him shot. I was doing him a favor, really.

    I’m just amazed at how these guys can blow up at the slightest thing. That’s got to be bad for your health.

  40. 51

    Michael spews:

    And Mr. Rick Larsen, you wishy-washy sellout bastard, I see your vote for CISPA you fuckwit. Fuck you, congressman.

  41. 52

    Puddybud spews:

    Froggy,

    I answered the questions I wanted to answer. The rest of the post is useless. Why? We’ve seen what the Apologist in Chief has done to our foreign policy.

  42. 53

    Puddybud spews:

    @2 Which slimy dictator is paying you this week?

    Another stupid question from a decrepit old wabbit!

    No dictator pays me. But we see a wanna be one, Soros, pays for many of the leftist pinheads you slovenly love.

  43. 54

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @47 “roger, still acting stupid”

    It’s not my fault. I was raised a Republican and only partly deprogrammed.

  44. 55

    Puddybud spews:

    Puddybud seems to believe that conservative hispanics in TX are big supporters of it!

    Another moronic train wreck from the turd of HA turds.

    This one is weally weally stupid.

  45. 57

    Puddybud spews:

    Does Anne believe that all women who’ve struggled with health issues should have it as good as she has had it?

    Ask her ya moron.

  46. 62

    Puddybud spews:

    @59 yawn

    Apple = Tax Cheat

    Republicans think corporations should pay lower taxes. My question is, how do you cut taxes on people who don’t pay any?

    Sorry silly wabbit that dog don’t hunt.

    Apple is a libtardo loving group, just like GE!

    Steve Jobs was public in his jockstrap and voting for Obummer and his widow was with Mrs Obummer at the State of the Union Address.

    Yet being an old decrepit bunny you forgot that!

  47. 63

    Puddybud spews:

    In January Chris Matthews called Mitt Romney a moderate. Now this past week he’s a right wing conservative.

    So Chris which one is it?

    Oops… I forgot… you received your DNC talking points last week!

  48. 64

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Mitt Rmoney wants to cast the 2012 election as a referendum on how President Obama has managed the economy. I say go for it!

    Here’s what voters should consider.

    In the U.S., the banking crisis was promptly remediated by temporarily recapitalizing the banks with public funds while they rebuilt their private capital.

    This policy — initiated by President Bush and continued by President Obama — “catalyzed a quick bounce-back from catastrophic financial failure.”

    The result: “Two years after the fall of Lehman Brothers, the U.S. economy had already resumed economic growth. While the recovery is still tentative, fragile, and too slow, uemployment is falling consistently and even home sales and auto sales are advancing. Today, U.S. banks are lending again. The growth of credit is funding new investment by small businesses ….”

    (Barron’s, 4/30/12, p. 33, http://online.barrons.com/arti.....OL_hpp_mag)

    Meanwhile, in Europe, Germany is forcing the kind of policies favored by America’s conservatives — slashing budgets, cutting wages and pensions, and austerity — and it’s not working. The Continent is sinking deeper into recession. Economies are contracting. Unemployment is soaring. The European Union is falling apart.

    Obama is right and Rmoney is wrong. The U.S. is on the right track. Yes, the recovery is slow, but the U.S. is recovering; and so is the U.S. job market, as the bikini graph shows:

    http://thepoliticalcarnival.ne.....ps-to-8-2/

    Sure, the recovery is slow, but that’s always the case with balance-sheet recessions and there’s no way to speed it up except with massive government spending (see, e.g., World War 2), which Republicans say they don’t want.

    Today, we see the clear contrast between liberal economic policies that are working in the U.S. and conservative economic policies that aren’t working in Europe. So, yes, let the 2012 election be a referendum on liberal vs. conservative economic theory.

    The latter, of course, is factionalized. Not content with merely mucking up the broad economy, conservatives are fighting among themselves.

    So let the Rmoneyite One Percent Dead Enders and the Paulistas go their separate ways, splitting the GOP vote and re-electing Obama. That’s what’s best for America and the world.

    And then, after Obama is ensconced in his second term and no longer needs Wall Street campaign money, let him throw all the Wall Streeters out of his administration. If you want to restore America to Main Streeters and working families, that’s how you do it.

    Meanwhile, let Europe wallow in their own problems. They don’t need our help. They’re going to take care of it themselves. Next weekend French and Greek voters will give Angela Merkel the finger by electing socialist leaders in their countries. I’m not suggesting that’s the solution to their problems, it isn’t, but even socialists understand something that conservatives don’t: You can’t slash-and-burn your way to prosperity, and when the working and middle classes go under, the rich sink with them.

  49. 66

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    The GOP’s chances of strengthening its hand in Congress are deteriorating.

    http://nbcpolitics.msnbc.msn.c.....rably?lite

    Roger Rabbit Commentary: Democrats have to defend more Senate seats than Republicans do, but GOPers have hurt themselves with their outrageous antics, infighting, and radical policies; and Democrats are recruiting much higher quality candidates. This has put some races in play that previously were considered “safe” for Republicans, and is making Democrats more competitive in races where they were thought to be vulnerable.

    Personally, I don’t see any reason for any voter to vote for any Republican given their awful record on 9/11 negligence, the Iraq war, torture, their inability to capture or kill Osama bin Laden, their catastrophic handling of the economy, their corruption and mismanagement, and the embarrassing antics of people like Rep. Joe “Deadbeat Dad” Walsh, Joe the Plumber, and the Arizona legislature. But there are still a lot of stupid, irrational, and low information voters in our country.

    However, even Republicans know stupid voters aren’t the majority, so look for them to invest heavily in voter suppression and smear campaigns; and look for their candidates to lie, hide their true intentions, and try to deceive voters about what they’ll actually do in office.

    The upcoming recall elections in Wisconsin may provide something of a litmus test on how willing voters are to buy GOP bullshit. Gov. Walker promised 250,000 jobs in 4 years; he actually delivered -23,900 jobs over the last 12 months. He’s running ads claiming he has created jobs; that’s a lie, and if Wisconsin voters realize it’s a lie, he may be gone by June. Let’s hope so, for Wisconsin’s sake.

  50. 67

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    In Egypt, hardline Islamists have propelled a relatively liberal politician backed by middle class liberals into frontrunner status by endorsing him despite their disagreements with him. The significance of this is that it opens an avenue for Egypt’s first post-revolution election to produce a pragmatic political administration.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/47.....orld_news/

  51. 68

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    The Huge Environmental Victory Nobody Knows About

    The Koches of the world didn’t win the climate war when they defeated cap-and-trade in Congress. They lost that war to grassroots NIMBYs working at local government levels. Not a single new coal plant is being built in the U.S.

    “Stopping new coal plants may be the most significant achievement of American environmentalists since the passage of the Clean Air Act and the Clean Water Act in the 1970s. As this article goes to press, 166 proposed coal-fired power plants have been cancelled, legally barred, or otherwise stopped. That means that each year … the equivalent of 9.5 percent of US emissions won’t be entering the atmosphere. The proposed cap-and-trade legislation wold, at best, … have achieved only a 5 percent reduction.”

    That looks like victory, not defeat. How was it done?

    “When cap-and-trade legislation failed, the conventional wisdom became that the US was simply incapable of taking meaningful action; corporate polluters were too strong, the political system too dominated by industry money, the public too confused and apathetic.”

    But environmentalists simply went around industry’s Maginot Line of D.C. lobbyists and purchased congressmen.

    “The moratorium on new coal [plants] shows that Americans don’t have to wait for Washington to get the country on the right climate track. This campaign has demonstrated we can do this state by state, plant by plant, town by town. Not just that we can do it, but we are doing it.”

    http://www.motherjones.com/env.....t-activism

    Roger Rabbit Commentary: I’ll bet conservative climate-change deniers and coal plant-huggers don’t even know they lost this fight.

    (Full Disclosure: Roger Rabbit owns coal stocks and will suffer financially from decreasing use of coal to generate electricity. Well screw Roger Rabbit! If he fails at profiteering from polluters, nobody should feel sorry for him! Public health is more important than his stock speculation profits.)

  52. 69

    Puddybud spews:

    Poor poor Roger Wabbit,

    When shown the Apple is DUMMOCRAPT door he runs runs runs through it!

  53. 70

    Puddybud spews:

    @67 yawn again,

    Golly Roger Wabbit, still reading the kiddie web sites PMSNBC eh…

    I read the government approved libtardo web site and this is the headline…

    Islamist Could Be Egypt’s President

    When Wabbit identifies the most strident of the muslims placing a character as their “candidate” it means he’s liberal on individual freedom and economic equality not sha’ria law.

    Wabbit, you should know Puddy reads your “links” because you love to spin!

  54. 71

    Liberal Scientist is a slut who occasionally wears a hoodie spews:

    Dumb-as-a-post puddles is back at it.

    Do you practice this shit? Are you really as concrete and unsubtle and dense as you posture around here, or is it just an act?

    You illustrate once again, when dealing with right wingers, the question that inevitably rises, is of course, “Stupid or lying?”

  55. 72

    Puddybud spews:

    Oh my the hoodie one appears again with nothing useful.

    I agree with Joe Biteme when he quipped

    “You all look dull as hell.”

    nailed you perfectly!

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  56. 73

    Liberal Scientist is a slut who occasionally wears a hoodie spews:

    Hey lookee here – even Karl Rove is painting a bleak electoral college picture for Rmoney.

  57. 74

    Puddybud spews:

    Lots here…

    9/11 negligence – Been there seen that dumb argument… Kathleen Rowley of the Clinton FBI said what silly wabbit? Ali Soufan, the former FBI special agent trumpeted by dumbASS ylb over water torture who factually demonstrated to the world Clinton’s CIA had the goods on the 9/11 hijackers but didn’t tell Clinton’s FBI – EPIC FAYLE #1

    the Iraq war – Seems it was better when Bush was in the whitey house cuz now we see whazzzzzup in Iraq. – EPIC FAYLE #2

    torture & their inability to capture or kill Osama bin Laden – jury already delivered the verdict that GWBush’s tactics allowed Obummer to seek and get bin laden. Leftists can’t swallow the fact it was info and intelligence assets put in place by Bush that was used by Obummer. – EPIC FAYLE #3

    their catastrophic handling of the economy – Oh really? Obummer has added more debt to the bill in less than 4 years than GWBush did in 8. Also we see the Purkulus bill really worked well. Now we see unemployment is still over 8% even after the Labor Dept continues to cook the books by reducing the number of people looking for work so the unemployment number looks better than it really is. – EPIC FAYLE #4

    their corruption and mismanagement – Oh really? You talking about MF Global swindler and Obummer 2012 reerection bundler Jon Corzine? You must talking about Kinde Durkee, the longtime California Democrat operative who embezzled millions in campaign $$$$$. You must be talking about Anthony Jones who went from a czar position to a Soros position. You must be talking about Tax Cheat Timmy Geithner who didn’t pay taxes for a while. You must be talking about the Secret Service Scandal, seeking sex then stiffing the lady in more ways than one. – EPIC FAYLE #5

    Do tell silly wabbit.

  58. 75

    Liberal Scientist is a slut who occasionally wears a hoodie spews:

    @2, @3

    I don’t understand the point of your links there, Spudds.

    My amphibian friend – puddles never has a point, particularly with links.
    If puddles posts a link – the vast probability is that is has nothing to do with the ‘point’ he’s trying to make (which are irredeemably tenuous and tendentious and tangential to begin with).

    He post links to achieve the appearance of ‘truthiness‘ – not even truthiness itself, but a hollow derivative thereof.

    When JAYZUS! comes again in Clouds O’Glory ™, puddles will have to answer for these sins of dishonesty and malice.

  59. 76

    Puddybud spews:

    Jimmy Kimmel said

    “And by the way, just to clear things up for the extreme right-wingers, here’s the difference between Bill Maher and Rush Limbaugh: the people who watch Bill Maher know he’s an asshole.”

    Hey Jimmy, the people who listen to Rush agree with the people who watch Maher!

  60. 78

    Liberal Scientist is a slut who occasionally wears a hoodie spews:

    Kathleen Rowley of the Clinton FBI said what silly wabbit?

    It’s Coleen Rowley, you boob. And she was with the FBI for 24 years – spanning the Reagan, Bush I, Clinton and first half of the Bush II (shrub) administrations.

    It was the Clinton Administration’s focus on terrorism, especially bin Laden, led by Richard Clarke, that the Neocon “Warriors” of the Bush II cabal ignored, to our nation’s tremendous loss.

  61. 80

    doggril spews:

    Shorter @5: “I know you are but what am I?”
    It’s what counts as a comeback– for morons.

  62. 81

    Liberal Scientist is a slut who occasionally wears a hoodie spews:

    Hey puddles, you’ve never told us – were you born in the Eocene or the Oligocene?

    Do you believe the the last dinosaurs died out in March 1927?

    Here’s a very interesting discussion thread between a loony creationist and some rational humans (and the source for the excellent timeline that PZ popularized above).

    I love this comment:

    David. You are absolutely right about the mentality of creationists. Trying to reason with them only makes them feel besieged, and they dig their heels in further and become even more obstinate in their delusion. And I know of people who will not engage with them for this very reason. However, if nobody debunked their arguments then they “win” by default. It creates the illusion that they have a point, and that they are being ignored because their opponents can’t counter their arguments. So we are in a catch 22 situation. Argue with them, and thereby harden their attitudes, or don’t, which only “confirms” to them that they are right, and that we are frightened of the “Truth”.

    The reason I do debunk them is not to try and convert them. There is no chance of opening a mind that is welded shut. But to show to others that the creationists’ arguments are bullshit. Then the undecided can see that creationist claims do have answers, creationists are dishonest, and almost nothing creationists say can be taken on trust. It also provides ammunition for those in the front line. Like schoolteachers confronted with students primed by pastors (or imams) to ask “awkward” questions.

    And there is another reason to counter these people. Creationism comes with a whole lot of other ideological baggage, much of it reactionary and pernicious. One only has to look at the social attitudes of some of the USA Republican candidates, who are sympathetic to creationism, to see what I mean. So, immensely time consuming and irritating though it is, we have to defend reason and science from the blinkered bigots who would turn the clock back 200 years or more if they had the chance.

    Stephen Moreton
    12th Apr 2012 5:24pm

  63. 82

    No Time for Fascists spews:

    @74.
    It’s impossible to take someone seriously when they cannot spell, or worse, spell badly on purpose. If they constantly fail at basic things like spelling, it’s a good indication everything they write is broken.

  64. 83

    Puddybud spews:

    Ok Coleen Rowley, who blew the flight training whistle and it was ignored during the Clinton years.

    It was Richard Clarke who gave approval to the Bin Laden family to leave America, not GW Bush.

    I noticed how Lib the hooded moron skipped over everything else! Too factual!

    See how easy that was.

  65. 84

    Puddybud spews:

    It was the Clinton Administration’s focus on terrorism, especially bin Laden

    Ali Soufan, intoduced to us by dumbASS ylb who blew that ASSertion apart Lib the Moron! Feb 13, 1998, Aug 20, 1998 and May 1999 all passed up by Clinton to get bin laden.

    From the 9/11 report which described the failings of Clinton people to capture bin laden: “He had been told, he wrote, that cabinet-level officials thought the risk of civilian casualties-“collateral damage”-was too high. They were concerned about the tribals’ safety, and had worried that “the purpose and nature of the operation would be subject to unavoidable misinterpretation and misrepresentation-and probably recriminations-in the event that Bin Ladin, despite our best intentions and efforts, did not survive.” The whole quote!

    Another 9/11 Report assertion on Clinton’s bin laden failings: “If this intelligence was not ‘actionable,’ working-level officials said at the time and today, it was hard for them to imagine how any intelligence on Bin Laden in Afghanistan would meet the standard.”

    dumbASS ylb will be searching the 9/11 report to find it. Go for it beta boi!

    See how easy that was. Well for you it would be difficult being a moron!

  66. 85

    Puddybud spews:

    Wow, an Islamist leading a largely Islamist country, shocking.

    Yeah Michael, silly wabbit called him a “liberal”. Also it was Obummer who pooh-poohed anyone in 2011 who claimed Egypt would be taken over by the Muslim Brotherhood! Arab Spring… democracy! NOT! Now it’s happened the sycophants are spinning away!

  67. 86

    Liberal Scientist is a slut who occasionally wears a hoodie spews:

    @68
    That’s a very interesting analysis, Rog.

    If the people lead… and all that.

    Unfortunately, it costs much less to wage and win a state legislative race, giving the big money guys a lot of easy targets in the forums where many of these battles are waged.

    I went to the 36th District Legislative caucus yesterday – even met McDermott! We elected delegates and argued over the platform. I learned that my district – QA, Ballard, Magnolia, Belltown – reliably has the highest or near-highest rates of voting and total votes cast statewide. In 2008 we had 81000+ votes (that went 84% Obama!).

    Point is – get involved! Go door-to-door and talk to your neighbors. This is how money is countered – with people. We’ve got to slap down the gay-haters and the Eymans of the world and the other malefactors that puddles and the other trolls around here idolize.

  68. 87

    Liberal Scientist is a slut who occasionally wears a hoodie spews:

    It was Richard Clarke who gave approval to the Bin Laden family to leave America, not GW Bush.

    It was Richard Clarke who tried to get the Shrub administration to pay attention to Al Qaeda when all they wanted to do was install a “WAR PRESIDENT ™” and invade Iraq – and really what they wanted was a war as a political cudgel to better achieve their domestic agenda. Far far more consequential than anything to do with the bin Laden family leaving the US after 9/11.

    Nice try at obfuscation, asshole.

  69. 88

    Liberal Scientist is a slut who occasionally wears a hoodie spews:

    You still haven’t answered my questions, puddles:

    Hey puddles, you’ve never told us – were you born in the Eocene or the Oligocene?

    Do you believe the the last dinosaurs died out in March 1927?

  70. 89

    Michael spews:

    @85
    Where the Egyptians all up in arms when we elected a born again, fundamentalist, Christian, to be the president?

    Maybe who they elect is none of our business?

  71. 90

    Liberal Scientist is a slut who occasionally wears a hoodie spews:

    Yet another horrifically foul cancer on our society – massively aided and abetted by – you got it – ALEC.

    Gut wrenching story of for profit juvenile facility in that Republican utopia of Mississippi – oh wait, puddles schooled me that all the terrible societal statistics so abundant in places like Mississippi and South Carolina and Oklahoma are the result of Democrats in the ‘big cities’ there making the good Republican folks look bad – *eyes roll*

    Private prisons make go-zillions of dollars – our tax dollars – and recycle them back into massive lobbying efforts:

    Through involvement in the leadership of ALEC (American Legislative Exchange Council), private prison companies have played a key role in lobbying for and passing harsher sentencing for non-violent offenses including three-strike laws, mandatory sentencing, and truth-in-sentencing. They are also behind the recent spate of anti-immigrant state laws that are putting more and more immigrants behind bars—the new profit center for the prison industrial complex.

    Private prison companies employ legions of lobbyists to push for policies that support their bottom line. Since 2001, CCA, GEO Group and Cornell Companies have spent over $22 million lobbying Congress.2 Recent lobbying by CCA and GEO Group includes efforts to increase funding to Immigration Customs and Enforcement (ICE). Since 2003, CCA has employed 204 of lobbyists in 32 states, and GEO Group has employed by 79 lobbyists in 17 states.3

    Private prison companies also influence policymaking by strategically supporting political campaigns. At the federal level, the political action committees and executives of private prison companies have given at least $3.3 million to political parties, candidates, and their political action committees since 2001. The private prison industry has given more than $7.3 million to state candidates and political parties since 2001, including $1.9 million in 2010, the highest amount in the past decade.

    From ThinkProgress:

    The three main companies have contributed $835,514 to federal candidates and over $6 million to state politicians. They have also spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on direct lobbying efforts. CCA has spent over $900,000 on federal lobbying and GEO spent anywhere from $120,000 to $199,992 in Florida alone during a short three-month span this year. Meanwhile, “the relationship between government officials and private prison companies has been part of the fabric of the industry from the start,” notes the report. The cofounder of CCA himself used to be the chairman of the Tennessee Republican Party.

    Yet another example of Republicans touching something and turning it immediately to shit.

    The Republican sweep of the mid-term elections in 2010 provided the private prison industry with new friends on the state level and in Washington. The upshot is a broad network of powerful private prison companies and pro-privatization legislation and budget initiatives linked by thousands of dollars in political donations to the party in power.

    What is wrong with these people?

  72. 91

    Puddybud spews:

    Nice try at obfuscation, asshole.

    So why you do that? I quoted the 9/11 Report and you do what?

    Piss into the wind with obfuscation! Richard Clarke was laid bare by the 9/11 commission above! If bin laden was such a problem, why wasn’t bin laden a household name projected by Clinton before 2001?

    U R N ID 10T Lib the moron! Watch him spin the facts AGAIN!

  73. 92

    Puddybud spews:

    oh wait, puddles schooled me that all the terrible societal statistics so abundant in places like Mississippi and South Carolina and Oklahoma are the result of Democrats in the ‘big cities’ there making the good Republican folks look ba

    More BULLSHITTIUM from Lib the moron. I provided CDC and FBI facts about the DUMMOCRAPT led big cities and their “inherent” problems and how they skew the state data!

    You ignored them because it exploded your leetle single celled paramecium mind!

  74. 93

    spews:

    Puddydumbass is peddling the same old tired shit from years ago.. Rowley, Richard Clarke

    While his beloved Republicans in Congress today wage a war on women, gut environmental regulations, enable Wall Street sharks to separate more fools from their money, bust unions, privatize public services to every republican contributor in sight…

    Their approval rating stands at 14 percent.

    What a miserable dope!

  75. 94

    Liberal Scientist is a slut who occasionally wears a hoodie spews:

    I provided CDC and FBI facts about the DUMMOCRAPT led big cities and their “inherent” problems and how they skew the state data!

    You did NO SUCH THING. You included some links in your posts where were to…nothing relevant. It was more of your utterly dishonest bullshit with empty links.

    You made no cogent or persuasive, or even substantive response to my facts and links in our ‘discussion’ of the terrible rates of divorce, early teen pregnancy, domestic violence and women’s pay disparity in Republican paradises like Oklahoma, Mississippi, South Carolina and Wyoming.

    You’re not fooling anyone, puddles. You provoke again, “Stupid or Lying?”

    Or both.

  76. 95

    Liberal Scientist is a slut who occasionally wears a hoodie spews:

    I’ve got more constructive things to do this morning than smack that imbecile puddles around with facts.

    Later, folks.

  77. 96

    Liberal Scientist is a slut who occasionally wears a hoodie spews:

    Oh – just before I go – puddles, when did the dinosaurs die out?

  78. 97

    spews:

    Little Puddy lives in a fantasy world – where Clinton was responsible for 9/11, where his beloved moron-in-chief read the August pdb cover to cover, where torture always saves the day – just like Jack Bauer on 24..

    A strange world of delusions…

  79. 98

    spews:

    68 – Yep, natural gas fired plants are cheaper to build and they’re more efficient than coal burners to boot. And lucky for us, thanks to fracking, we have the gas to burn..

    But only a matter of time before that fracking mess bites us on the ass.

  80. 99

    Liberal Scientist is a slut who occasionally wears a hoodie spews:

    One last thing…

    OK – one more thing I thought of while I was getting dressed (yes, I was posting naked earlier)…

    their catastrophic handling of the economy – Oh really? Obummer has added more debt to the bill in less than 4 years than GWBush did in 8.

    See this graph. And this.

    That’s all, ’nuff said. Puddles is an idiot.

  81. 100

    Michael spews:

    @89 continued…

    We’ve been neck deep in other countries elections for a little over a century now and it seems to me that all its ever done has brought us grief.

    Maybe the 2000’s can be the century of minding our own fucking business.

  82. 101

    spews:

    Black males between the ages of 15 and 40 are only about 3% of the US population. Then how come they account for much more than 3% of robberies, rapes, and murders?

    This puzzles me. Shouldn’t they only account for about 3% of those crimes?

  83. 105

    No Time for Fascists spews:

    @101 and @103
    Right wing hate monger talking point.
    Be afraid of brown people, they are coming to kill you.

  84. 106

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @69 What language is that gibberish supposedly in? My translation software doesn’t recognize it.

  85. 107

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @70 “Puddy reads your “links” … ”

    Glad to hear it! That’s the whole fucking purpose of putting them in my comments.

  86. 108

    No Time for Fascists spews:

    @104 Interesting article. It shows how totally F-ed up the problem of the “Kill at will” laws are.

    Ta-Nehisi Coates over at the Atlantic
    had an interesting take on this.

    The fact is that cases with an alleged “racial element” are dispiritingly common. Questionable shootings–racial element regardless–are vastly more common. What really made Trayvon Martin’s death go nuclear was the sympathy factor and the deep-seated sense that the police had not done their jobs.

    Speaking personally, my initial interest was really on the Stand Your Ground defense, and still is is. It is not clear to me–even now–that Zimmerman actually violated Florida’s law.
    http://www.theatlantic.com/nat.....rayvon-mar

    tin/256406/

    For me there are three levels of wrong in the Trayvon case.
    1. Zimmerman killed the kid for no reason.
    2. The police department did not investigate because the kid wasn’t important.
    3. Florida has a law that allows anyone to kill anyone unimportant and so long as there are not evidence to the contrary, claim self defense and be released scott free.
    (4. I guess this will be good for gun sales, cause if a person lived in a kill at will state, they should kill the other person before they killed them, and claim self defense. It will come down to who’s a faster shot, kill first. Nice country the republicans are making. ).

  87. 109

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @84 If Dubya’s tactics were so good at catching Bin Laden, how come Dubya couldn’t catch him? He had 7 1/2 years to do it. Wait, maybe this explains …

    “I don’t know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don’t care. It’s not that important. It’s not our priority. I am truly not that concerned about him.” — George W. Bush, March 13, 2002, quoted in The New American (4/8/02)

  88. 111

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @90 Let us not forget the two corrupt judges who sent hundreds of minor juvenile offenders to a for-profit prison in exchange for $2 million of bribes from the prison company. Those kids are scarred for life. The judges got a couple years in prison. The prison company CEO got a mansion and expensive sports car.

  89. 112

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Most government functions are not inherently profitable, and turning those functions over to for-profit companies perverts their basic purpose. What we’ve seen with regard to privately-run prisons, besides bribing judges to send kids to jail, is these companies skimping on food and health care to boost their bottom lines.

  90. 114

    spews:

    Is this racist?

    There was a time in my life that I didn’t believe in reparations. But now I do. To the extreme!

    I honestly believe that part of America, let’s say 4 to 5 states, should be given to black people to create their own nation. And furthermore I believe that each black who moves to this new nation should be paid $50,000/year if they live and stay there. If they chose to move back to America, they will lose their yearly payment.

    Now, is that racist of me? To want to give black people part of America to call their own, and to pay them yearly reparations?

  91. 115

    Liberal Scientist is a slut who occasionally wears a hoodie spews:

    @114
    Can we do that with Republicans/conserviatives/Teahaddists/Neofeudalists?

    I say give ‘em Alabama, Mississippi, Arkansas, Texas, Oklahoma (I want to keep NOLA), even Tennessee and Kentucky (except the Smokies). Those places are already Teahaddist utopia, they would just have to pay to move and resettle all the sane people in those places who didn’t want to live under the banner of Palin after all the yahoos come flooding in.

  92. 116

    Liberal Scientist is a slut who occasionally wears a hoodie spews:

    @111
    Absolutely. Those poor children – as you say, scarred for life.
    In my line of work I deal with a great amount of chronic illness, and so, so often this results from a shitty childhood and poor/self-destructive coping skills.

    I wonder what will be the cost, to these kids and to society later, when they slip into poverty, crime, and illness as a consequence of these heinous experiences.

  93. 118

    shark tales spews:

    spend! spend! spend!

    LMFAO……

    Hey, I agree! As soon as people like YLB start paying federal income taxes, then we should start spending again.

    When half the nation doesnt pay a dime in federal income tax, then your kinda fucked.

  94. 119

    No Time for Fascists spews:

    When half the nation doesnt pay a dime in federal income tax, then your kinda fucked.
    I agree, America needs more and better paying jobs in America so more can pay taxes. WHAT are the republicans doing to bring back jobs to America that pay a living wage?

    Oh yeah, by their actions, they are doing NOTHING!

    They are to busy on their War on Women, War on Minorities, War on Gays to be bothered to work with the Democrats to improve the economy because that might help the black Democrat in office.

  95. 120

    shark tales spews:

    @119

    oh fucking spare me the “war on (insert silly group here)”

    that shit is invented just to get people going against each other – you should be smart enough to figure that out.

    Lets face it, neither party is doing a fucking thing to help the nation’s cause.

    You want to make the US more competitive AND raise some money? Easy – its called tariffs.

    Fuck our agreements with other nations, this is down to our survival.

    Of course, our crooked ass politicians would rather bicker with each other than get anything done, because most of the people who follow politics are just lemmings and partisans anyway who only want to hear shit that goes along with what they already think.

    eh, who cares anyway. The crooks running this country, and their lackey lemming followers can all go fuck themselves – and stop asking me to pay more. Im tired of paying for the lazy and the stupid. fuck them.

  96. 121

    bob spews:

    @ 117

    If austerity doesn’t work, do we just raise taxes and spend ourselves into another problem, then raise more taxes, and continue accelerating spending, then raise more taxes and then…….

    ??

    Or are you of the Geithner mentality – “We don’t have a plan, we just don’t like yours.” ?

  97. 122

    spews:

    spend! spend! spend!

    Ike Eisenhower built the national highway system so you could drive your latest indulgence asshole.

    Provided a lot of jobs and enabled the development of entire industries.

    UK is in recession dumbass.. The shit DOESN”T WORK!

    But all that is lost on your shit for brains head.. Sure sucks to be you!

    When half the nation doesnt pay a dime in federal income tax, then your kinda fucked.

    Yawwwwwn. Here we go again. Stupid is as stupid spews.

    How about corporate taxes? Corporations are chartered by the government and yet they pay something like less than 15 percent of the federal tax burden..

    As for the rest, zzzZZZZzzzzzz.. If you have an income, have money to spend, you pay taxes.. Payroll, Medicare, Sales, and a host of taxes are passed on to the consumer.

    Too bad you’re too stupid to see all that. The big picture is totally lost on a dumbass like you.

  98. 123

    spews:

    If austerity doesn’t work, do we just raise taxes and spend ourselves into another problem, then raise more taxes, and continue accelerating spending, then raise more taxes and then…….

    We do what works bob. And austerity isn’t it.

    Your ideology is wedded to that and until it is deposed from power, not much is going to change.

    It’s been tried in Europe and the proponents are starting to be thrown out on their asses. It’s about time.

  99. 125

    spews:

    You want to make the US more competitive AND raise some money? Easy – its called tariffs.

    LMAO! Which considering that we don’t make as much in this country as we used to can only raise prices on the goods people want and depress the economy even further.

    Countries who are hurt by these policies then retaliate in kind on the goods we want to sell to them..

    Ever hear of Smoot-Hawley? It deepened the Great Depression.

    Crack open a history book once in a while.

  100. 126

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @116 Requiring the prison company to pay $1 million of compensation to each of those kids seems eminently reasonable to me. If it bankrupts the company that’s good for society, because that company shouldn’t be in business. A million dollars can’t begin to set right the wrongs done to those children, but it could help pay for their education, health care, and a lifetime of psychological therapy.

  101. 127

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    The Seattle Times printed another of its snarky anti-state-worker editorials today. It’s not like state workers are overpaid — they don’t get to live in bankers’ mansions, drive Porsches, or take European vacations. They work hard at thankless jobs and they are not worth less to society simply because their salaries come from tax money … although the Seattle Times editorial staff seems to think so. I’d like to see Frank Blethen live on a state worker’s salary and benefits for a month. It’s easy for him to bash lowly public servants from the comfort of his den in his $4 million Lake Washington house. This is the same guy who went to the legislative with a tin cup asking to not pay taxes because he doesn’t know how to turn a profit from his own business. Since he doesn’t pay newspaper taxes anymore, why does he care whether state workers get paid a little bit more than minimum wage? Why shouldn’t they? After all, virtually all state jobs require at least a college degree. Blethen’s anti-worker rants make me puke. I hope he goes broke and has to support himself bussing dishes in a restaurant for $7.50 an hour, so he finds out what it’s like to work for a living.

  102. 128

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @120 “oh fucking spare me the “war on (insert silly group here)””

    I don’t think so. It’s too much fun shoving it down your freakin’ throat. And I’m glad you think women are a “silly group.” We’re going to remind them you and your ilk called them that all the way up to Nov. 6.

  103. 129

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @121 As I recall it was Republicans who squandered billions on no-bid contracts, spent a trillion dollars on an unnecessary war in Iraq, and borrowed a couple trillion more from China to finance tax breaks for billionaires — so anything people like you say about “spending” is sheer hypocrisy.

  104. 130

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    “Fiscal austerity does not work in a liquidity trap and makes as much sense as putting an anorexic on a diet.”

    These are the words of Paul McCulley, a former managing director of PIMCO, the world’s largest bond fund. I’d bet money he knows more about this stuff than our friend “shark tales.”

    I would add that letting Republicans run the economy makes as much sense as letting children be airline pilots.

  105. 131

    Liberal Scientist is a slut who occasionally wears a hoodie spews:

    With regard to the economy – the government needs to spend. It is the buyer of last resort and the primary issue is lack of demand.

    How does it get the money? It raises taxes on the wealthy, who are doing rather well right now.

    It also borrows, and borrows BIG. Right now money is incredibly cheap, and the US Treasury securities are the most sought, safe instruments on the planet. We can borrow for almost nothing. We should borrow 2 Trillion dollars and BUILD BUILD BUILD.
    Bridges, roads, libraries, schools, teachers, trains, wind farms, Solar PV farms. Fully fund schools – pre-K through college.

    A $2T investment in both infrastructure, and education and research, would yield a commanding lead in competitiveness relative to our global competitors, and would pay dividends for decades.

    Debt for capital investment – as opposed to using it to pay for wars or more G6’s for the 0.001% – is a virtue, and sensible, and absolutely necessary.

  106. 132

    shark tales spews:

    125. YLB reporting on right wing family values since Dec 2004. spews:
    You want to make the US more competitive AND raise some money? Easy – its called tariffs.

    LMAO! Which considering that we don’t make as much in this country as we used to can only raise prices on the goods people want and depress the economy even further.

    Countries who are hurt by these policies then retaliate in kind on the goods we want to sell to them..

    Ever hear of Smoot-Hawley? It deepened the Great Depression.

    Crack open a history book once in a while.

    04/29/2012 AT 7:00 PM

    you stupid, no tax paying idiot, of course prices will go up!

    youre fucking idiots calling for a “living wage” and raising the minimum wage, what the fuck doyou think THAT is going to do to prices?

    my god your a fool.

    but then again, given your lack of success, why am i not surprised – its why you are jealous of others.

    I take it you approve of free trade agreements then…idiot.

  107. 133

    shark tales spews:

    cheapskates like YLBleeder will always do as little as they can to get through the world. Its why they pay no taxes, but expect free shit constantly.

    Those are the types of people that are the problem, not corporations.

    if you dont pay any federal taxes, then you dont get to fucking vote. period.

    shove that into your pinata and smoke it.

  108. 134

    bob spews:

    @ 133

    Really wish you hadn’t gone there with YLB. Just one more thing she’ll clip and save and then ram down everyone else’s throat until way beyond the point we’re sick of it.

  109. 135

    Michael spews:

    Actually, we’re one of the largest manufactures of stuff of the on the planet. Right now manufactures in the midwest are being held back from growing do to a lack of skilled labor.
    We’re #3 at oil production, behind Saudi and Russia. We’re one of the top food producers and we could grow a shit ton more than we already do.

    I say bring on the Tariffs!

  110. 136

    spews:

    of course prices will go up!

    Why? OOOOOHH! Because of something TEH EVIL GUBMENT did???

    Ohh that sounds like a freaking tax on Wal-Mart shoppers???

    Whadaya know folks we have a freaking economic nationalist Pat Buchananite in our midst.

    Supports protectionist tariffs which would only punish lower income people raising their cost of living – all so rich people don’t have to pay the taxes they did under Clinton.

    And who knew a miserable dollar or so an hour increase in the minimum wage every 6-8 years or whatever causes such disastrous inflation. You’d think interest rates would be where they were when Ronnie Raygun was riding high in the saddle and urging Paul Volker to stay the course at the Fed.

    Heh.. Wow. It’s amazing what happens when the bigot lobotomy puts on his thinking cap.

  111. 137

    spews:

    Really wish you hadn’t gone there with YLB.

    Where Bob??? Oh here!

    shove that into your pinata and smoke it.

    What’s wrong Bob? Aren’t you going to call your fellow traveller @ 133 a bigot? Gee that’d only be uuhh.. consistent maybe?

    Oh I forget.. Not exactly the strongest character trait in the right wingers I’ve known over the years.

  112. 138

    spews:

    I say bring on the Tariffs!

    Tariffs are attacks and you should only use them in retaliation for someone else’s attack on you and only as a last resort. The proper path is to negotiate fair trade – make deals, not war.

    In the past wars have been waged over trade. It’s hard to imagine a shooting war over trade these days but resentment over unfair trade policies can still erupt into something like we saw in the 1930’s – everyone just shutting out our products.

    Little maxie the moron asked if I’m for “free trade”. I’m for fair trade. China intervening in the currency markets to keep their currency low in comparison to ours is not free or fair trade. If they’re going to stop doing that, it has to be carefully negotiated away. It has to become apparent to them that it’s in their interest to STOP doing that. The carrots and sticks thing.

    It’s what the adults do. Not impose tariffs willy-nilly so fools like the racist idiot @ 133
    can FEEEL good about a billionaire getting tax cuts.

  113. 139

    spews:

    Actually, we’re one of the largest manufactures of stuff of the on the planet.

    True enough. Military hardware, aircraft, cars, heavy equipment, foodstuffs and other sundry finished products. The value of the stuff may be high but the percentage of the work force making it is at its lowest. The growth in jobs over the years has NOT been in manufacturing.

    Right now manufactures in the midwest are being held back from growing do to a lack of skilled labor.

    Which happened when corporations picked up and moved out. Deliberate policy on their part to stay “competitive” while shooting their customers and working in this country in the back. Now we’re left with a rapidly aging workforce who might not pass on those skills in tooling and whatnot to a new generation. Just when wage inflation and other factors in Asian countries is driving more work here.

    We’re #3 at oil production, behind Saudi and Russia.

    Oil is priced globally. Tariffs will not help this.

    We’re one of the top food producers and we could grow a shit ton more than we already do.

    Again in many cases these are commodities and are priced globally. Protectionism will only encourage retaliation. By the way, many farm products in this country are subsidized in various ways and this gives our farmers an advantage when they sell into foreign markets. This does not go unnoticed abroad.

  114. 140

    spews:

    Those are the types of people that are the problem, not corporations.

    In the fifties corporations paid 30+ percent of the federal tax burden and today in good times they pay less than 10 percent and in bad times like now when people are losing jobs and income they pay a SLIGHTLY higher percentage. Not because they are taxed more. If anything they are taxed less.

    Why can’t they pay what they paid in the fifties?

    Because of their bought and paid for politicians and their lackeys like you.

    Something like 45 million folks, 15 percent of people in this country, are on food stamps because their incomes have dropped and they qualify for the assistance.

    Corporations moving more and more of their operations to low wage places had nothing to do with that?

    Oh and before you blame Obama for the food stamp situation:

    Newt Gingrich claims that “more people have been put on food stamps by Barack Obama than any president in American history.” He’s wrong. More were added under Bush than under Obama, according to the most recent figures.

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/p.....52645882/1

    I’ll guess you’ll just blame 45 million “lazy” brown skinned people for not working enough of the jobs Obama isn’t creating. Or the jobs Bush didn’t create? Whatever…

  115. 141

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Republicans want to cut corporate taxes, but two-thirds of U.S. corporations already pay no corporate income taxes, so how do they plan to cut taxes on companies that aren’t paying any taxes? See, e.g., General Electric …

    (Full Disclosure: Roger Rabbit owns hundreds of shares of General Electric — Roger knows a good thing when he sees it. These shares, of course, are held in tax-sheltered accounts; so Roger doesn’t pay any taxes on his General Electric dividends, either. Do I need to explain why Uncle Sam is broke?)

  116. 142

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @133 If you want to see freeloaders just go to any meeting of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce or your local Republican Party. Corporatists and their GOP lackeys are the biggest welfare titsuckers in the history of the cosmos.

  117. 143

    No Time for Fascists spews:

    I say bring on the Tariffs!
    I’m in favor of targeted tariffs as part of our economic strategy. However, I see the argument of raising tariffs as a deflection, notice how conservative (some may object to being called a conservative, but until they actually stop posting only conservative thoughts, they are conservative) still cannot bring themselves to think about raise taxes on the wealthy? They are willing impose tariffs that will raise prices on everyone, hurting the low and middle class people the most. But raise taxes? on the wealthy? NEVER!

  118. 144

    Bob spews:

    @141

    Gee, is the reason that so many US corporations pay no corporate tax because they are S Corporations, and the earnings and their tax bill flow through to their 1040, like mine?

  119. 145

    Bob spews:

    @142

    Q: So, if corporations like Exxon and Ford (you don’t distinguish amongst them, so I assume all are similarly bad) are ‘welfare titsuckers’,

    what does that make the 47% of the US population that pays no Federal income tax?

    A: Obama voters.

  120. 146

    No Time for Fascists spews:

    what does that make the 47% of the US population that pays no Federal income tax?

    – Not paid a living wage.

  121. 147

    spews:

    the 47% of the US population that pays no Federal income tax?

    I remember back in the day seeing Bob Packwood crow about how many people of limited income were going to be removed from the federal tax rolls with the 1986 tax reform.

    And why shouldn’t they? Their payroll taxes had just gone way UP with the passage of the Greenspan commission reforms.

    This was used to show how much Republicans cared about the well-being of people of modest income.

    Now Republicans call people who are too poor to pay federal income tax (even though they most often pay payroll and many other taxes) “titsuckers” and worse names.

    Anything to deflect from rich people paying a much lower rate than their hired help and giant corporations paying a zero or a negative rate.

  122. 148

    shark tales spews:

    YLB will do anything to avoid paying taxes, while grabbing all the “free stuff” he can.