Feeding the Trolls

As if McCain’s recent series of petty attacks on Obama aren’t enough to paint the old fart as pathetic. Now the McCain campaign is paying people to troll for him:

People who sign up for McCain’s program receive reward points each time they place a favorable comment on one of the listed Web sites (subject to verification by McCain’s webmasters). The points can be traded for prizes, such as books autographed by McCain, preferred seating at campaign events, even a ride with the candidate on his bus, known as the Straight Talk Express, according to campaign spokesman Brian Rogers.

The sign-up page, complete with talking points du jour and a report form, is located here.

I hope it works! I mean, nothing says “credible candidate” like the same talking point being dumped over and over again in every comment thread that even peripherally mentions McCain. I mean…it worked for Ron Paul didn’t it? (And those lovable whack-jobs weren’t even getting paid for their robo-commenting.)

I’m encouraging everyone (yes…even you) to get a piece of the action. I mean, the McCain paraphernalia memorabilia will be highly prized some day. Besides, how many of McCain’s supporters actually know about The Internets AND know that it’s a Google in order to find the “Spread The Word” page?

Therefore, by joining in the fun, you not only spread your own philosophy of McCain and his talking points, but you earn cool stuff and help the economy by enticing the McCain staff to hire additional webmasters to wade through thousands and thousands of comment reports.

The easiest way to comment is to simply copy the talking points verbatim. But my own recommendation is this:

John McCain is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I’ve ever known in my life.

What could be more positive then that? Hundreds of thousands of times in blog comment threads across the land. Day after day.

Got another idea? Leave your suggested message in the comment thread. And then sign-up, get busy, and start earning cool stuff!

Comments

  1. 1

    Broadway Joe spews:

    Pathetic indeed. The R’s must really want to suffer in obscurity for the next 40 years……

    And somewhere in the Bay Area, Don Novello must be laughing his ass off at this…..

  2. 3

    Daddy Love spews:

    They’ll have to pry John McCain from my cold, dead hands. Oh no, those are his cold, dead hands.

  3. 4

    spews:

    Marvin,

    “What, no credit to me.”

    Nope…I don’t typically read your drivel.

    “Strange, you didn’t know about it until it became a talking point on dailykos.”

    Nope…I rarely read DailyKos, either. I saw the WaPo link in a news aggregator.

    Got any more stupid-ass questions?

  4. 6

    spews:

    I admire the trolls that pop up on this site from time to time. I rely on them to cut through the crap. They remind me that this site is nothing more than an advertisement for Goldy’s future political career. That’s why he doesn’t bash Democrats, even when they almost choke their wife to death, or trade political favors for reelection money. He’ll need the party’s support one day when he decides to run for city councilman. His silence is very calculating, very machiavellian in nature. And while I despise his turning the other way when a Democrat is involved in controversy, I admire his cunning.

  5. 7

    ArtFart spews:

    “John McCain is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I’ve ever known in my life.”

    How’s about a nice game of Solitaire?

  6. 8

    spews:

    @6
    I admire the trolls that pop up on this site from time to time. I rely on them to cut through the crap.

    You mean like this?

    Idiot.

  7. 9

    Marvin Stamn spews:

    4. Darryl spews:
    Marvin,
    “What, no credit to me.”
    Nope…I don’t typically read your drivel.

      
    Yet you’re posting the same drivel. Go figure.

  8. 11

    spews:

    @9
    Yet you’re posting the same drivel.

    Yes, because he’s using it to make fun of idiots like you.

    Jump, Marvin, jump!

  9. 12

    Marvin Stamn spews:

    8. Lee spews:
    You mean like this?

      
    Again, lee goes running to another blog to brag about besting someone.
      
      

    Idiot.

      
    Again with that over inflated ego.

  10. 13

    spews:

    @10
    I’m not a troll. I’m an unbiased political and social analyst and commentator.

    And so this is why you post things under the name “Troll”?

    Embarrassing.

  11. 14

    spews:

    @12
    Again, lee goes running to another blog to brag about besting someone.

    How did I best him? I just copied and pasted what he wrote. How did I learn of such devious keyboard shortcuts?!?

    Again with that over inflated ego.

    It’s hard not to when you’re around.

    Jump, Marvin, jump!

  12. 15

    Marvin Stamn spews:

    10. Troll spews:
    I’m not a troll. I’m an unbiased political and social analyst and commentator

      
    I hope you understand that on this blog a moderate is considered a right-wing extremist.
      
    Even lee had no sympathy for that, as he called him, “Jewish democrat” that was being compared to the kkk in that tinker ad. Hhmm, didn’t seattle jew post on his blog something like “Lee, however, is a self described person of Jewish descent but does not want to be considered Jewish.”
    No wonder he used the word jewish to describe cohen, the “jewish” democrat.

  13. 16

    Marvin Stamn spews:

    14. Lee spews:
    Again, lee goes running to another blog to brag about besting someone.
    How did I best him?

      
    That question is best asked of all your reject blog posts.
      
    hahahahaha

  14. 17

    rhp6033 spews:

    I’ve long suspected that the right-wing trolls on this board must have been hired by somebody to spend all day posting on websites such as this. I just didn’t know how little they were getting paid to do so.

    Gee, Obama, Gregoire, and Burner haven’t offered to pay me a thing for my posts. But then, it’s in my self interest, and that of my children, for them to be elected. Since a great majority of the American people earn less than $250K a year, I guess the McCain people feel that they have to pay them SOMETHING to work against their own interests.

  15. 18

    spews:

    @15
    I hope you understand that on this blog a moderate is considered a right-wing extremist.

    Really? Want to provide a link to that? Or even give an example?

    Even lee had no sympathy for that, as he called him, “Jewish democrat” that was being compared to the kkk in that tinker ad.

    Here’s the exact exchange:

    Marvin: Obviously her opponent is some racist right-wing republican.

    Lee: No, he’s a Jewish Democrat who voted against renaming a park.

    I mentioned that he was Jewish because that highlights the absurdity of claiming that he supports the KKK.

    Hhmm, didn’t seattle jew post on his blog something like “Lee, however, is a self described person of Jewish descent but does not want to be considered Jewish.”

    Please keep using SeattleJew as a source of unbiased and accurate information. I’d love to see where that ends up.

    No wonder he used the word jewish to describe cohen, the “jewish” democrat.

    Yeah, “no wonder”.

    Retard.

    Jump, Marvin, jump!

  16. 19

    spews:

    @16
    That question is best asked of all your reject blog posts.

    Hey, little Marvin is getting better at taking things out of context! Sooooo proud of you!

    Jump, Marvin, jump!

  17. 20

    CJS spews:

    Gee, Obama, Gregoire, and Burner haven’t offered to pay me a thing for my posts.

    There’s probably a reason for that . . .

  18. 21

    spews:

    @17
    I’ve long suspected that the right-wing trolls on this board must have been hired by somebody to spend all day posting on websites such as this.

    And I’ve long said that if they are, they’re a glaring example of how free markets have inefficiencies… :)

  19. 22

    spews:

    @20
    There’s probably a reason for that . . .

    They know that what’s said down here matters for nothing other than our own amusement (or on rare occasions to have an enlightening discussion).

  20. 23

    spews:

    Lee, I have an honest question for you, so I hope you answer my question directly and honestly.

    Let’s say that tomorrow it became known that a very prominent local male Democrat was just accused of raping a young child. But let’s also say on the same day a story appeared in the Seattle Times that Reichert was pulled over for driving drunk the night previous.

    Which story do you think Goldy would remain silent on, and which do you think he would blog about?

  21. 24

    CJS spews:

    @17
    I’ve long suspected that the right-wing trolls on this board must have been hired by somebody to spend all day posting on websites such as this.

    And I’ve long said that if they are, they’re a glaring example of how free markets have inefficiencies… :)

    But at least they’re smart enough to get paid – you’re doing it for free.

  22. 25

    spews:

    Marvin Stamn @ 9

    “Yet you’re posting the same drivel. Go figure.”

    You’re confused. I said that I typically don’t read your drivel.

    I strongly suspect that YOU did not write the McCain web page, nor the WaPo article.

    Back to the Mel Bay books for you, Squirt!

  23. 26

    spews:

    @24
    But at least they’re smart enough to get paid – you’re doing it for free.

    I write all my blog posts for free too. And I enjoy the hell out of all of it. I’m thoroughly entertained by making fun of the idiots who come here (and no, I certainly don’t put you in that category, you and I have had some good discussions already).

  24. 27

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    Today’s Rasmussen Poll–

    Thursday, August 07, 2008
    The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Thursday shows Barack Obama attracting 44% of the vote while and John McCain earns 43%. When “leaners” are included, it’s Obama 47% and McCain 46%. With leaners, the candidates have been within one point of each other for seven straight days.

  25. 28

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    24. CJS spews:
    “But at least they’re smart enough to get paid – you’re doing it for free.”

    will begs for handouts. Does that count?

  26. 29

    spews:

    Troll,

    “Let’s say that tomorrow it became known that a very prominent local male Democrat was just accused of raping a young child. But let’s also say on the same day a story appeared in the Seattle Times that Reichert was pulled over for driving drunk the night previous.

    Which story do you think Goldy would remain silent on, and which do you think he would blog about?”

    The question is irrelevant. This is a blog, not a newspaper.

    Your complaint is akin to going into a video store and whining that they don’t have a very good selection of magazines. Or subscribing to a Harley magazine and complaining that they don’t ever have articles about Vespas.

    On Horsesass, Goldy, Lee and others write about whatever topic we feel like writing about. So, it is entirely irrelevant whether there are other news stories (or newsworthy stories) available.

  27. 30

    spews:

    @23
    Let’s say that tomorrow it became known that a very prominent local male Democrat was just accused of raping a young child. But let’s also say on the same day a story appeared in the Seattle Times that Reichert was pulled over for driving drunk the night previous.

    Which story do you think Goldy would remain silent on, and which do you think he would blog about?

    He would blog about Reichert. Why? Because this is a partisan blog that takes on Republicans. He would be disgusted by the Democrat and what he did, but he wouldn’t write about it here.

  28. 31

    spews:

    @29

    It was just a question. Gosh! You don’t have to jump all over me. Remember, there are no dumb questions. Have a nice day.

  29. 32

    CJS spews:

    (and no, I certainly don’t put you in that category, you and I have had some good discussions already).

    It’s all in fun . . .

  30. 34

    Jim, (a genuine musician) spews:

    The link is n.f.g.
    I searched for “Grampy” and “McGeritol” and nothing surfaced.

  31. 35

    Steve spews:

    Here’s a Republican recently convicted of 73 counts of possession of child pornography, 45 counts of sexual assault in the first degree for allegedly having sex with a child under age 11, nine counts of use of obscene matter with intent to seduce a minor, seven counts of display of obscene matter to a minor and two counts of employing a minor to do sexually explicit conduct.

    http://www.times-news.com/loca.....00823.html

    I’m sure Marvin will share with us his outrage that yet another Republican pedophile has been busted.

  32. 36

    spews:

    Mr. Cynical,

    “The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Thursday shows Barack Obama attracting 44% of the vote while and John McCain earns 43%. When “leaners” are included, it’s Obama 47% and McCain 46%. With leaners, the candidates have been within one point of each other for seven straight days.”

    Of course there were four national polls released today:

    • Gallup: Obama 46, McCain 43
    • Rasmussen: Obama 47, McCain 46
    • CBS News: Obama 45, McCain 39
    • Time: Obama 46, McCain 41

    But other than that you Wingnuts seem to jealously focus on “celebrity,” why all the focus on national polls? The election is won or lost via the electoral votes, not popular vote. Almost every analysis of state head-to-head polls (including, but certainly not limited to, my own) gives Obama a pretty big lead in Electors at this point.

  33. 37

    Marvin Stamn spews:

    25. Darryl spews:
    Marvin Stamn @ 9
    Back to the Mel Bay books for you, Squirt!

      
    Pretty bitter that you couldn’t make it in the music business.
      
    You would have a better argument if you compared my blogging skills, which put zero $$ in my pocket compared to you that is making a living off your blog. I would be forced to run to my blog in order to win that argument.
      
    Because when it comes to music, I’m making a nice living doing what I wanted. Sorry that pisses you off so much. Hhmm, not really, I’m not sorry. Get over it.

  34. 38

    Steve spews:

    @37 Fucking idiot. Show some morality and share with us your outrage over rampant Republican pedophilia (all in CAPS, please).

  35. 39

    ArtFart spews:

    Hmmm…some of the blather in this thread suggests an awareness of a recognition of an essential difference between the “traditional” new media and blogs. Specifically, bloggers feel no particular obligation to maintain even a thin pretense of objectivity. Meanwhile, the dead-tree and tower-on-the-hill media remain burdened with continuing the charade.

    This raises the question: When was the last time anybody really tried the “real thing”? Does any of you recall an article in print or a broadcast report that most Americans, across the demographic and political spectrum, would regard as credibly accurate and bereft of bias?

  36. 40

    mactac spews:

    But other than that you Wingnuts seem to jealously focus on “celebrity,” why all the focus on national polls?

    ——————-

    Because the question may be about popular sentiment, not electoral votes. And in the case of the former McCain is much closer to Obama despite all that Obama should have going for him. That’s a topic of substantial interest and discussion.

  37. 41

    spews:

    “Pretty bitter that you couldn’t make it in the music business.”

    Nope…I’m pretty damn happy with my vocation.

    “You would have a better argument if you compared my blogging skills, which put zero $$ in my pocket compared to you that is making a living off your blog.”

    What the hell are you babbling about? Oh…once again, you don’t know what the fuck you are talking about.

    “I would be forced to run to my blog in order to win that argument.”

    Win what argument?

    “Because when it comes to music, I’m making a nice living doing what I wanted.”

    I hear delivering pianos is hard on the back, though. (*snicker*)

    “Sorry that pisses you off so much. Hhmm, not really, I’m not sorry. Get over it.”

    Actually, I find it doubly amusing that you claim to “make a living in the music business” but you insisted on making a stupid-ass and amateurish statement about the blues!

  38. 42

    spews:

    @37
    Pretty bitter that you couldn’t make it in the music business.

    What? He’s a University professor, you clown.

    You would have a better argument if you compared my blogging skills, which put zero $$ in my pocket compared to you that is making a living off your blog.

    That’s awesome! Darryl, I had no idea you were surviving on what Goldy’s paying you. Hahaha!

    Jump, Marvin, jump!

  39. 44

    Steve spews:

    @41 “amateurish statement about the blues!”

    Blues-guy here. I wish I had caught that one. Was it recent?

  40. 45

    spews:

    mactac @ 40,

    “Because the question may be about popular sentiment, not electoral votes.”

    Suit yourself. I’m far more interested in who our next president will be.

    “And in the case of the former McCain is much closer to Obama despite all that Obama should have going for him.”

    Given that the best political minds on both sides are focusing 100% of their energy and spending millions of dollars on gaining the slightest edge, it is hardly surprising that McCain is only lagging by a few points.

    “That’s a topic of substantial interest and discussion.”

    I don’t know. It is interesting in how it relates to who is likely to become the next president. Otherwise, it is no more interesting than a popularity contest between, say, John Kerry and Rick Santorum. Or Liz Dole and Hillary Clinton.

  41. 46

    Tlazolteotl spews:

    Darryl, I’m going to try to come up with one. Okay, here goes….

    John McCain is the wrinkliest white guy I’ve ever heard call his wife a ‘cunt.’

    Ya think they would give me points for that?

  42. 48

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    Here’s my suggestion:

    “Johnny McCain is the best pay-for-lay sex I’ve had this month!” — Patricia Prostitute

  43. 49

    spews:

    Tlazolteotl,

    “Ya think they would give me points for that?”

    I think it depends on what judge you get: the white male…or a really, really, old white male.

    If the latter, you just might get a McCain–autographed bottle of Metamucil.

  44. 50

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    What? No money?! Who the hell wants a fucking bus ride? I mean, c’mon … no wonder he’s losing.

  45. 51

    Steve spews:

    @47 I see. So Marvin is stuck in the I, IV, V, 12-bar blues progression. Probably stuck in the pentatonic blues scale as well. I was happy to see that you thrashed him pretty good over that one.

  46. 56

    mactac spews:

    “And in the case of the former McCain is much closer to Obama despite all that Obama should have going for him.”

    Given that the best political minds on both sides are focusing 100% of their energy and spending millions of dollars on gaining the slightest edge, it is hardly surprising that McCain is only lagging by a few points.

    ———————

    Which is no doubt why media story after story has focused on the question of why Obama isn’t leading by more despite Iraq and the economy. I think the underlying story is more complicated and reflects hesitation about Obama. That’s revealed in Rasmussen data from August 2:

    http://www.rasmussenreports.co.....he_numbers

    In the table labeled “McCain-Obama: Trust on Issues” 14 issues are listed. In 10 out of the 14 McCain is given the nod. In 4 out of 14, Obama. On Iraq McCain is trusted more by a 51 vs 39 percent margin.

    This data will change of course, and there are other polls as well. There are a lot of people focused on these trends, including me.

    Incidentally, I’m a (reserved) Obama supporter.

  47. 57

    Jesse spews:

    Here’s my suggestion:

    “We are building a fighting force of extraordinary magnitude. We forge our spirits in the same tradition as our ancestors. John McCain is a magnificent leader. He has our gratitude. Let’s all give John McCain a great big hand!”

  48. 58

    rhp6033 spews:

    Well, I’ve been trying to think of something I could say about John McCain which would still get me qualified for his payment plan, and wouldn’t be fundamentally dishonest.

    The best I could come up with was “McCain isn’t any worst than any other Republican who was seeking the Presidency this election, and better than a few of the other Republicans”.

    That’s pretty much as far as I’m willing to go.

  49. 59

    Daddy Love spews:

    40 mt

    Yeah, “popular sentiment” is all you guys have these days. Can we get back to you on that? We’re kinda busy these days winning elections across the country.

  50. 60

    Daddy Love spews:

    39 AF

    Does any of you recall an article in print or a broadcast report that most Americans, across the demographic and political spectrum, would regard as credibly accurate and bereft of bias?

    Nope. The Republicans have pretty well poisoned that well (having spent four decades trying to establish in the public mind that facts don’t exist, only partisan spin).

    But realy, we are in a fractured age of specialization and special interest where there isn’t anything that cuts across “most Americans.”

  51. 61

    LPM spews:

    Maybe all the people who lost their life savings in McCain’s S&L scandal (see Keating 5) could do this so they could make up for some of their losses?

  52. 62

    Marvin Stamn spews:

    61. LPM spews:
    Maybe all the people who lost their life savings in McCain’s S&L scandal (see Keating 5) could do this so they could make up for some of their losses?

      
    4 democrats and 1 rep (mcsame) and you blame it on mcsame.
      
    What happened, was mcsame found guilty? Any actions taken against him?
      
    Those are the questions liberals run away from.

  53. 63

    W. Klingon Skousen spews:

    I am going to say kind things in my spammed comment, but I really need to work ‘T-Rex Arms’ into it without appearing to be callous — you know CALLOUS — like calling a thirteen year-old girl ugly.

    How’s This: “I will never forget the bravery of Captain McCain as he waved gamely to the camera with his stubby, pain-wracked T-Rex arms.”

    Well, I hope the bikers in Sturgis enjoyed Cindy’s tits and her attempts in the hotdog eating competition. That’s the kind of klassy stuff that happens when you have a candidate of the calibre of John Winchester McCain!

  54. 64

    Ida Gnoh spews:

    Hi Darryl,

    With respect to your kind blog entry today, I just wanted to say that

    There are serious issues at stake in this election, and serious differences between the candidates. And we will argue about them, as we should. But it should remain an argument among friends; each of us struggling to hear our conscience, and heed its demands; each of us, despite our differences, united in our great cause, and respectful of the goodness in each other. Read More…

    Thank you very much.

    -Ida Gnoh, a socialist 4 John McCain 2008! …No longer wanting MORE government welfare subsidies for Big Oil because “Dave” informed me that K-Y is NOT a petroleum product. But I’m still voting for John because all my economic stimulus comes from Johns (I can’t wait to see Cindy’s tits!… yeah, I’m bi >blush<).

  55. 65

    Daddy Love spews:

    56 mt

    …media story after story has focused on the question of why Obama isn’t leading by more despite Iraq and the economy. I think the underlying story is more complicated and reflects hesitation about Obama.

    Uh, it’s kinda, well, normal. Obama is an extremely popular, well-spoken and charismatic, but much less-well-known, candidate. He’s not making mistakes and his positions are solidly popular mainstream. But because he’s the relative unnkown in the race, undecideds are slow to make up their minds for him.

    But dude, it’s August.
    [a] Undecideds have plenty of time, and he’s got the convention to go, a VP pick to go, and a pile more money than McSnooze.
    [b] This election reminds me of 1980, when a realtively unpopular representative of the incumbent party ran evenly with the much less known opposition party representative, but in the end citizens voted for the positive message, photogenia, and new ideas of the challenger and rejected the tired old representative of a party whose ideas had temporarily run out of steam.

    Maybe I’m losing you: McCain is Carter and Obama is Reagan. It’s morning in America, and Darth McCain will shrivel and wilt in its clear bright light.

  56. 66

    Marvin Stamn spews:

    56. mactac spews:
    In the table labeled “McCain-Obama: Trust on Issues” 14 issues are listed. In 10 out of the 14 McCain is given the nod. In 4 out of 14, Obama. On Iraq McCain is trusted more by a 51 vs 39 percent margin

      
    Obviously Americans are smarter than the posters here.
      
    After all, how can you trust someone that has to track towards the middle in order to win an election.
      
    Just the fact he has to change his position moving to the right is proof obamas views are accepted by mainstream america.

  57. 67

    Steve spews:

    @63 ‘T-Rex Arms’

    When I see him talking and waving his arms I’m somehow reminded of Godzilla destroying Tokyo.

  58. 68

    Daddy Love spews:

    63 WKS

    I saw one of those competitions once. The biker drove the bike and the girl stood on the rear pegs and attempted to bite a piece off of a hot dog hanging from a string when the bike drove under it. It wasn’t at Sturgis, though. My then-band played a local biker party.

    I’m guesing that the bulk of the entertainment value was “See? She’s, you know, biting a hot dog.” It was a thrill.

  59. 69

    Marvin Stamn spews:

    65. Daddy Love spews:
    Uh, it’s kinda, well, normal. Obama is an extremely popular and charismatic but much less-well-known candidate.

      
    Less well known??
       
    As he has since January, this week, Barack Obama enjoyed much more visibility as far as the public was concerned than did John McCain. By a margin of 76% to 11% respondents in Pew’s weekly News Interest Index survey named Obama over McCain as the candidate they have heard the most about in recent days. But the same poll also shows that the Democratic candidate’s media dominance may not be working in his favor. Close to half (48%) of Pew’s interviewees went on to say that they have been hearing too much about Obama lately. And by a slight, but statistically significant margin – 22% to 16% – people say that recently they have a less rather than more favorable view of the putative Democratic nominee.
      
    If he’s less well known with the well acknowledged media advantage, that means he keeps changing his opinions so much who really knows what he stands for.
      
    Remember, keep working on those election night excuses. And please, something new. That old “stole the election” is so 2001.

  60. 70

    Steve spews:

    @69 “That old “stole the election” is so 2001.”

    Republicans want to “re-elect” Dino Rossi. Yeah, that’s so old.

  61. 71

    Daddy Love spews:

    66 MS

    After all, how can you trust someone that has to track towards the middle in order to win an election.

    True. So when John McCain tells us that he wants to support alternative fuels, we shouldn’t trust him?

    And should we trust him when he says he’ll raise taxes to make Social Security “solvent,” or when he tells us he won’t? Should we trust John McCain when he opposes the GI bill or when he takes credit for its passage?

    And should we trust him when he opposes drilling off the America coast (2000 election), or when he favors it (now)? When he opposes the Bush tax cuts (2002-2003) or when he supports them (now)? When he supported the Law of the Sea Convention (1995-2003), or now that he opposes it? When he opposed ethanol subsidies, or when he supported them (that was in Iowa in the 2008 primaries–I have no idea what today’s position on ethanol subsidies is for John McCain)? When he co-sponsored the DREAM Act (that would grant legal status to illegal immigrants’ kids who graduate from high school), or now that he opposes it?

    Heck, I don’t know whether to trust him or not, because he’ll change his positions at the drop of a dollar.

  62. 72

    Daddy Love spews:

    69 MS

    MS, you ignorant slut.

    Yes, Obama is less-well-known than a Senator who has served since Reagan wore knee pants.

  63. 73

    Daddy Love spews:

    69 MS

    heard the most about in recent days

    Solid reporting. You must have been a whiz in debate class.

  64. 74

    Daddy Love spews:

    And of course there’s the bipartisan energy plan for which Obama is expressing some support but John McCain opposes because it might raise taxes on his big campaign donors “important American job producers”–the oil companies.

  65. 76

    LPM spews:

    @62
    Was raised in AZ and saw many in community lose their savings, so regardless of party affiliation none of the K5 will ever get off scott free in my opinion(as did McCain). None of the the other four are running for President either.
    P.S. Keep your anti-liberal blather to yourself.

  66. 77

    mactac spews:

    Maybe I’m losing you: McCain is Carter and Obama is Reagan. It’s morning in America, and Darth McCain will shrivel and wilt in its clear bright light.

    ————-

    I have an idea you lose a lot of people, on occasion.

    Hey, as long as I have you here, somebody said you’re a tech writer at Microsoft. True? I’m curious what you think of Microsoft’s “Mojave Experiment”:

    http://www.mojaveexperiment.com/?WT.srch=1

    You have views on lots of things, so I’m curious.

  67. 78

    Marvin Stamn spews:

    77. mactac spews:
    tech writer at Microsoft. True? I’m curious what you think of Microsoft’s “Mojave Experiment”:

      
    Typical bait & switch. Page 37 out of the karl rove playbook.
      
    How bad are things at microsoft when they have to base a campaign around the core assumption that everyone thinks their product sucks.

  68. 79

    Marvin Stamn spews:

    73. Daddy Love spews:
    69 MS
    Solid reporting. You must have been a whiz in debate class.

      
    Debate class? I dropped out of high school. I have a talent, don’t need no skooling.

  69. 80

    mactac spews:

    How bad are things at microsoft when they have to base a campaign around the core assumption that everyone thinks their product sucks.

    Here’s more on the “experiment”:

    http://www.informationweek.com.....=209800457

    So, the subjects were shown a video of Vista “in action.” Of course, that’s night and day from actually having to use it.

    In any event, any thoughts, Daddy Love?

  70. 81

    Marvin Stamn spews:

    80. mactac spews:
    So, the subjects were shown a video of Vista “in action.” Of course, that’s night and day from actually having to use it.

      
    The fact they showed a video instead of letting people try it is the proof it sucks.
      
    Here’s an interesting “progressive” link, a few years old.
    If you’ve doubted whether Microsoft is a monopoly that needs to be broken up, consider this previously unreported fact: Microsoft’s after-tax return on invested capital, the best measure of a firm’s profitability, was a stunning 88 percent last year. This means Microsoft was 13 times more profitable than other major U.S. corporations.
      
    I’m sure if microsoft was funding the reps there would be a lot of hate for them. Thankfully, they donate to the dems so it’s all good they have a higher profit margin than exxon. Lots of money is only bad when it’s a rep making it.

  71. 82

    spews:

    @81
    I’m sure if microsoft was funding the reps there would be a lot of hate for them.

    When I was working for Microsoft in 2000, our project VP openly encouraged everyone to vote for Bush. Microsoft was very pro-Republican in response to the Clinton Justice Department.

  72. 83

    sparky spews:

    I get the feeling that the people running his campaign are as clueless about technology as he is. Nobody who uses the internet on a regular bais would suggest that supporters become trolls on the blogs. Sad, really.

    Daily Kos put up a tongue-in-cheek diary welcoming the McSame Trolls. Now I know why.

  73. 84

    mactac spews:

    When I was working for Microsoft in 2000, our project VP openly encouraged everyone to vote for Bush. Microsoft was very pro-Republican in response to the Clinton Justice Department.

    It’s been highlighted here previously that Microsoft’s PAC has been a major contributor to Republican candidates, including for 2008. See, for example, http://www.opensecrets.org.

    I know some people go as far as calling Republicans war criminals, so I’m curious how they view organizations like MSFT, who have been big backers of the party and its candidates.

    Any thoughts on that, Daddy?

  74. 85

    true believer spews:

    John McCain is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I’ve ever known in my life.

  75. 86

    Chuck spews:

    A vote for Obama is the same as a vote for Carter…if you want interest in the double digits as well as unemployment at 12% vote for this clown that has no real track record. As I recall jimmy was much the same, nice speech great smile but no action… no I am wrong he gave the Panama Canal that we built with our tax dollars away… I guess Amy was his adviser on this. We dont need Jimmy JR

  76. 87

    YLB spews:

    86 – Is this the same Cheesy Chuck from Fife who brought us Jared Taylor’s white supremacist take on the Superdome and Katrina?

    I wonder.

  77. 88

    Chuck spews:

    TYE@87 Never been there, dont know Jared Taylor have no idea what you are talking about. Possibly you should drink less liberally.

  78. 92

    Rick D. spews:

    If only Obama had a resume to run on…….he would have had a chance against a 71 year old man. Goldy and his barn animals will find out in November what rejection is yet again…….3 in a row.

    Sending the Chitown Assclown and his militant ‘hoodrat back to the Chicago Cesspool they crawled out of will be quite a joyous occasion for America in general and the GOP in particular.

    It will be memorable indeed, Darryl.

  79. 93

    Vote McCain!!! spews:

    Whenever I hear someone say John McCain I get goosebumps. The man is a true American Hero. He is for drilling more gasoline. Why would we vote for someone who doesn’t want to drill for the gasoline? Seriously, we all still have gas cars!

    Anyway, I urge everyone to vote for President Mccain. He’s the kind of guy – not only who I’d like to have a beer with – but he’s someone who I’d love to call a father (or even grandfather not to insinuate he’s old). He’s a true family man and regular guy. He even reminds me of some of my neighbors.

    If you own a car, vote for President McCain. Its that simple.

    – A Wholehearted McCain Supporter

  80. 94

    Jane balough’s dog spews:

    86 – Is this the same Cheesy Chuck from Fife who brought us Jared Taylor’s white supremacist take on the Superdome and Katrina?

    I wonder.

    God I wonder what ever happened with that mess to….. wait the people elected a republican governor. Problem solved. Nevermind heheheeheh

  81. 95

    Jane Balough's Dog spews:

    ‘T-Rex Arms’

    When I see him talking and waving his arms I’m somehow reminded of Godzilla destroying Tokyo.

    08/07/2008 at 4:38 pm

    Actually I think he destroyed Obama’s teleprompter. He threw that down faster than Obama’s poll numbers.

  82. 96

    Jane Balough's Dog spews:

    pssssssssssssst Don’t worry I am not pissing, I am just inflating my tires. ahahahahahahahahaahhahaahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

  83. 97

    ByeByeGOP spews:

    Funny how that flip-flopping traitor McSame was against the idea of tire gauges and properly inflated tires – until he was for it.

    By the way – he’s STILL getting beat like a red-headed step child in all the non-rightwing polls.

    Lastly – it’s also funny how the traitors on the right will support a pro-lifer as long as he has an (R) after his name.

    Gotta love those who really stand up for their core beliefs! NOT-they just call LushFlimbaugh and ask for marching orders.

  84. 98

    Rick D. spews:

    …Will someone please explain why the Jr. Senator from Illinois -better known as the Chitown assclown- is against school voucher’s for other Americans to send their children to better schools… then praises the importance of a “public school” education…

    ….meanwhile he and the ‘hoodrat Mama-Obama send their children to private schools that cost 38K a year to attend?

    Anyone?

    Darryl? Goldy? TheHymn…Lee O’tard? #9?#9?#9?…Liberal asshats everywhere?

    Oh, but of course he’s not elitist!! Just like “tomcat” Johnny Edwards sneaking out to see his mistress while his wife is home stricken with cancer is not an elitist.
    Democrat party family values on display for all to see.

  85. 99

    correctnotright spews:

    98 – Dear Stupid:
    Obama is against vouchers for the simple reason they don’t work and they waste money – something republicans are really good at – wasting money and cronyism.

    McCain is the rich guy with 8 mansions that he got because he divorced his disabled wife, cheated on her and married cyndi for money – also, McCain, like the Delay, Abramoff and other republicans, supports slave labor and abortions in the Mariana Islands.

    Nice guy you republicans like to hang out with – I know he can’t remember anything or show up to vote – but his recent campaign ads show that he is a bitter, sad, negative campaigner with nopthing to add.

  86. 100

    PU spews:

    hey byebye why don’t you get one of those tire pressure guagues and shove it up your ass.your boyfriend says you like it in the ass.just like i gave it to your mom and sister.

  87. 101

    Jane Balough's Dog spews:

    98 – Dear Stupid:
    Obama is against vouchers for the simple reason they don’t work and they waste money – something republicans are really good at – wasting money and cronyism.

    Liberal run screwls are a disaster from top to bottom. You can flush public school money down a toilet and it would still be better spent then what we have now. Only a liberal can create free public education at 10k plus a year (per pupil) and yet have over 40% of parents pass it up. Vouchers are our only hope.

  88. 102

    michael spews:

    I signed up!

    This will be the fist post I’m reporting in. They don’t have HA up as a choice, but you have to post the URL so we can work around that.

  89. 104

    YLB spews:

    Vouchers are designed by the right wing to do only one thing: destroy public education.

    88 – Ok dumbass you’re not that Cheesy Chuck. Thanks for answering my question. You can go back to your pint of Wild Turkey now.

    On second thought maybe you are but your brain is full holes like swiss cheese so you wouldn’t remember your dumbass comments here around Katrina time.

  90. 105

    YLB spews:

    Little Ricky Dumbass: weren’t you the loser who brought that story of a gay hustler who made up all kinds of bullshit fantasies about Obama? And he was arrested before a press conference?

    Who remembers his fucking name?

    Just like your name will forgotten after November.

    Little Ricky Dumbass.

  91. 106

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @64 “There are serious issues at stake in this election, and serious differences between the candidates. And we will argue about them, as we should. But it should remain an argument among friends; each of us struggling to hear our conscience, and heed its demands; each of us, despite our differences, united in our great cause, and respectful of the goodness in each other. Read More…”

    You’ve got to be kidding! Have you lived under a rock these last 7 1/2 years? Let’s settle this with guns.*

    * Just kidding! Anthony Scalia humor.

  92. 107

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @66 “Marvin Stamn spews: Obviously Americans are smarter than the posters here.”

    Smarter than 1 of ‘em, anyway.

  93. 108

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @92 McCain’s problem is he does have a resume to run on:

    Party boy
    894th in class of 899 at Annapolis
    Wrecked 5 Navy planes
    Only pilot in his 20-plane flight to get himself shot down
    Collaborated with enemy propaganda
    Dumped injured wife for young heiress
    Plagiarized from popular musicians and celebrities
    Ran racist ad
    Warmongering militarist
    Admits he knows nothing about economics

    McCain needs to be a gigolo politico, because with his resume, he couldn’t get a paid job sweeping floors.

  94. 109

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @98 “…Will someone please explain why the Jr. Senator from Illinois … is against school voucher’s for other Americans to send their children to better schools”

    I’ll be happy to. Because giving tax money to private entities run by entrepreneurs instead of elected school boards with no accountability for how the funds are spent, what the children are taught, or whether they learn makes no damn sense at all.

  95. 110

    Roger Rabbit spews:

    @86 “if you want interest in the double digits as well as unemployment at 12% vote”

    Carter inherited that from his 2 G.O.P. Party predecessors, Nixon and Ford, and in fact this is pretty much what you get with any Republican president. Except right now, instead of double-digit interest, we have double-digit inflation.

  96. 111

    Marvin Stamn spews:

    109. Roger Rabbit spews:
    I’ll be happy to. Because giving tax money to private entities run by entrepreneurs instead of elected school boards with no accountability for how the funds are spent, what the children are taught, or whether they learn makes no damn sense at all.

      
    Public schools are failing kids left and right. I know you’re not that ignorant to think otherwise, so why don’t you care about children. The rich parents send their kids to private school. So it’s only the poor kids that have to suffer in a failing school system.
    Have you noticed how home-schooled students are winning spelling bees all over the place?
      
    Last school year, 2,483 students were homeschooled in Miami-Dade County and 2,923 in Broward, according to the Florida Department of Education. Like Cameron White, some home-schooled high school students supplemented their home instruction with advanced or dual enrollment courses at local colleges, such as Florida International University and Miami Dade College. The experience, they say, helped ease their transition into college.

    ”My mom taught me how to teach myself, so when I went to college, I knew how to do that and not depend on others,” says White, who also took college classes at Miami Dade College under a dual enrollment program starting his sophomore year of high school.
      
    “Not depend on others.” You know she won’t be voting for the democrats, she can do for herself.
      
      
    If vouchers aren’t the solution, what is. More taxpayer money?

  97. 112

    Ida Gnoh spews:

    @106 Roger Rabbit:

    Oooo! Roger, I’d love to see your gun, sweetie! Muah! Give me a call sometime and we can … “vote” like bunnies, you and I. I want to feel your BIG John McCain doing it to me. Only 300 votes for the hour, sweetie.

    I think you need to look at my John’s talking points in order to understand my comment, sweetie. ;-)

    And remember: A vote for John is a vote for Johns everywhere!

  98. 114

    Daddy Love spews:

    11 MS

    You claim it, but you’re not proving it.

    Are you trying to claim that private schools are better than public schools, and that the proof of this is that homeschooled students do well in spelling bees?

    First, yep, high school. You wouldn’t win any points in debate.

    Second, my own opinion is that conservatives are financing and grooming certain homeschooled children in order to “prove” by anecdote that “public schools are failing.”

    It seems to me than an attempt to prove that public schools are failing would have to include peer-reviewed studies of directly comparable populations (that is, with special-needs and/or ESL students properly controlled for) that then use hard measures to establish
    [a] that some other alternative is measurably and consistently better, and
    [b] that this alternative represents a cost-effective and feasible solution for the millions and millions of children in public school.

    For example, if you propose that some solution is superior to public schools, establish it with some statistically sound study, but the whole thing would collapse if 50 million children nationwide attempted to use it, you’ve failed.

  99. 116

    mactac spews:

    @113

    Cute. Changing the subject.

    Avoiding the question. Some people on HA have labeled Republicans war criminals. I’m curious what your view of Microsoft – a big contributor to the Republican party and candidates (including Reichert!) over the years – is? I have a friend who left the company because he felt strongly about this (though with his skills he had many options). He walked his talk, as he likes to say.

    Again, what are you thoughts?

  100. 117

    Marvin Stamn spews:

    114. Daddy Love spews:
    Second, my own opinion is that conservatives are financing and grooming certain homeschooled children in order to “prove” by anecdote that “public schools are failing.”

      
    Yup, one big conspiracy to educate kids. You don’t see many parents wearing tin-foil hats as their kids are stuck in a government school.
       
    If public schools are so great, why do so many parents that can afford it send their kids to private schools. Including teachers and politicians, the same people that refuse the less fortunate to have a choice.
      
      

    Fourteen urban school districts have on-time graduation rates lower than 50%; they include Detroit, Baltimore, New York, Milwaukee, Cleveland, Los Angeles, Miami, Dallas, Denver and Houston.

      
    Back in the old days, 34 years ago, how many of your fellow students didn’t graduate on time. Don’t use your old school experience to cloud your thinking of the present situation.
      
      

    Remedial education classes for students enrolling in the state’s two-year and four-year public colleges and universities are costing California as much as $14 billion annually, according to a report released by the Pacific Research Institute.

      
    I could spend all day giving you links about the school system failing. Why don’t you google it and learn something for yourself instead of following the dailykos talking points. No surprise you are sticking up for a big supporter ($$) of the democrats. Go figure.
      
      

    It seems to me than an attempt to prove that public schools are failing

      
    If kids are not being educated the school system is failing. Google it.

  101. 118

    Marvin Stamn spews:

    116. mactac spews:
    @113
    Cute. Changing the subject.
    Avoiding the question.

      
    Daddy love is like bush so far as neither like to answer tough questions.
      
    Does the Mac in your name refer to your operating system of choice?

  102. 119

    Marvin Stamn spews:

    114. Daddy Love spews:
    11 MS
    You claim it, but you’re not proving it.

      
      

    Just 20 years ago, American students were among the best in the world, routinely coming in first in test results. Now, according to the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, students in the richest country on earth are in 24th place in math. That’s behind Canada, Germany, France, Korea…but also smaller, poorer countries like Poland, Hungary and Slovakia.

      
    I hope you’re not going to say this is a right-wing link.
      
    Did you notice, the school system is not what it was 20 years ago. Meaning, when you were in school it was working. Today, it’s not.
      
    And let’s get real for a second… It’s not the rich white kids getting screwed over, they are in private school.

  103. 121

    Daddy Love spews:

    116 MT
    mt

    Some people on HA have labeled Republicans war criminals.

    Not all Republicans, just the war criminals.

    I’m curious what your view of Microsoft – a big contributor to the Republican party and candidates (including Reichert!) over the years – is?

    I like Microsoft. And corporations cannot contribute to candidates. You should know that.

    I have a friend who left the company because he felt strongly about this (though with his skills he had many options). He walked his talk, as he likes to say.

    Your friend seems to given to cliche. Perhaps you should meet a writer.

    Again, what are you [sic] thoughts?

    Again, I like Microsoft. And again, corporations cannot contribute to candidates. Again, you should know that.

  104. 122

    mactac spews:

    Daddy love is like bush so far as neither like to answer tough questions.

    Daddy is VERY familiar with people at Microsoft who label Republicans war criminals. That’s pretty strong language in my view. However, what’s REALLY hard to fathom is how someone could work at Microsoft knowing full well the company is a big financial contributor to a group they consider to be war criminals.

    My friend left the company on principle, which I admired (though I didn’t completely agree with his political thinking). Other people, when the rubber hits the road, will keep the big pay check and instead assuage their conscience by making small political contributions instead. It’s less painful.

  105. 123

    Daddy Love spews:

    117 MS

    There you go again. One or two well-financed and well-coached spellers coming from the home school ranks does not prove that homeshooling better educates kids. Also, home schooling is nice as an alternative but there is no way it can be used to educate all of America’s kids.

    And that certainly does not establish anything at all about the private schools that for some reason you do not reveal you seem to love.

    And you really shoudl read carefully adn repeat it to yourself. perhaps you will understand better. I am not saying public schools are good, bad, or anything. I’m asking you to make an effort to prove what you claim.

    If public schools are so great, why do so many parents that can afford it send their kids to private schools.

    Because tou can usually buy a higher quality product when you have more-than-average money to purchase it. But if it were left to every parent’s own devices many children would not be educated at all, which would be very bad fo our society.

    Including teachers and politicians, the same people that refuse the less fortunate to have a choice.

    Of course you had to throw in the pejoration. Public school is what OFFERS a choice to people who can’t afford private school. Duh.

    Fourteen urban school districts have on-time graduation rates lower than 50%; they include Detroit, Baltimore, New York, Milwaukee, Cleveland, Los Angeles, Miami, Dallas, Denver and Houston.

    That’s not an absolute rate, but there’s no doubt that many urban school districts, particularly ones with high immigrant/ESL student populations, are challenged. Detroit and Cleveland are former industial cities with large minority populatiosn but a declined economic base. These things are not surprising. We need to invest in our schols and revamp school financing to eliminate disparities between rich districts and poor ones

    Remedial education classes for students enrolling in the state’s two-year and four-year public colleges and universities are costing California as much as $14 billion annually, according to a report released by the Pacific Research Institute.

    How does this mean anything? Did you think running schools is something that can be done for free? Yes, it costs money to run a school. Duh.

    I could spend all day giving you links about the school system failing.

    I’d be happy with once.

  106. 124

    spews:

    @122
    Despite my earlier comments about 2000, Microsoft has had a sea change in opinion over the past decade and isn’t as pro-Republican as it used to be.

  107. 125

    Daddy Love spews:

    119 MS

    You think I was in school twenty years ago?

    Just 20 years ago, American students were among the best in the world, routinely coming in first in test results. Now, according to the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, students in the richest country on earth are in 24th place in math. That’s behind Canada, Germany, France, Korea…but also smaller, poorer countries like Poland, Hungary and Slovakia.

    Here again, it just ain’t proof. There’s information, but no casuation. Are we getting worse, other countries getting better? Both? Poland, Hungary, and Slovakia joined the European Union. You think that might have somethign to do with it?

    I knwo that our position in teh world has been slipping since the disastrous policies of Reagan/Bush/Bush. We were improving for a while under CLinton, and probably will under Obama, but here’s a point to ponder:

    America is going broke. We cannot sustain our habit of consuming a quarter of the world’s resources just so we can live like we’re richer than we are. Our standard of living is declining and has been since about the high point you quote, and will continue to decline pretty steadily over the next few decades at least. Along the way, a lot of stuff is going to get a lot worse until we fgure out how to do it differently. Schools are certainly part of this.

  108. 126

    spews:

    @111
    Marvin,
    Homeschooled kids win spelling bees because a homeschooled kid can spend half his day practicing for it while kids in both public and private schools are actually learning a variety of subjects.

    Homeschooling can be either very good or very bad, depending on how much effort the parents put into it. Those kids in Houston who dug up a grave and made a human skull into a bong were homeschooled too – just like the spelling bee winners.

    As for private vs. public school, the biggest difference is that private schools aren’t superior because of money, but because they have students whose parents are involved. Public schools have to deal with the students whose parents don’t give a shit. When public schools start failing, it isn’t some deep truth about the nature of public schools as much as it’s a reflection of the failures in society overall.

    Then again, your idiocy is also a good reflection of the failures in our society overall.

    Jump, Marvin, jump!

  109. 127

    rhp6033 spews:

    98, 111: Obama pays his taxes, which support the public education system. If he want’s to spend more money to send his kids to a private school, then that’s his personal business.

    Actually, I doubt you will find many Congressmen (Senators or Representatives) with families who do send their kids to public schools, simply because public schools are not set up to handle the security risk which comes along with a high-profile student. If you haven’t noticed, the families of politicians would make great hostages for terrorists.

    As for school vouchers, that’s an old, lame, game still being advanced by the Republican Party. The Republicans have been against a good education for the masses for generations, preferring that they remain suitably ignorant and therefore more ameniable to their propoganda. Towards that end, they have always sought to de-fund the public education system, and when oversized classes have their predictable result, they then argue that the public school system “is broken”, and should be thrown away.

    I saw an example of what can happen in a rural area of Alabama in the 1970’s and 1980’s. I know this area, because some of my relatives live there, not too far from where my mother grew up. When desegregation in the 1960’s, and bussing in the 1970’s broke down the barriers in the public school system, it was replaced by a a new dual system of education – public schools became virtually all-black, and new private schools were built which were all-white.

    It’s also not surprising that once this dual system was established, the white parents pushed very hard to get school vouchers so that they could use tax money to fund their private schools. Failing that, they simply de-funded the public school system, rejecting every tax increase or levy which would fund the public school system. The end result, of course, was a gradual decline of public schools due to lack of funding, with the predictable results.

  110. 128

    Blue John spews:

    Public schools have to deal with the students whose parents don’t give a shit.

    And have parents that are too tired from working, from being working poor, to then be involved in school.

  111. 129

    Daddy Love spews:

    122 mt

    and mactac speaks to people in the third person. Strange.

    122. mactac spews:

    Daddy love is like bush so far as neither like to answer tough questions.

    I say what I please and answer to no one. I though you guys admired that kind of thing.

    Daddy is VERY familiar with people at Microsoft who label Republicans war criminals.

    Did you just arrive? I’m one of them.


    That’s pretty strong language in my view.

    Gosh, I’l keep your tender feelings in mind. Not.

    However, what’s REALLY hard to fathom is how someone could work at Microsoft knowing full well the company is a big financial contributor to a group they consider to be war criminals.

    Again, corporatiosn cannot contribute to candidates.

    My friend left the company on principle, which I admired (though I didn’t completely agree with his political thinking).

    His/her pivilege.

    Other people, when the rubber hits the road, will keep the big pay check and instead assuage their conscience by making small political contributions instead. It’s less painful.

    Aw, isn’t that cute; you’re trying to insult me. I support (and donate to) candidates I support. Other people do the same. It’s OK with me. It’s known as free speech, which I tend to support as well.

  112. 130

    Daddy Love spews:

    If Republican ideas about public schools were any good, Alabama and Mississippi would have the best-educated children in the country.

  113. 131

    Blue John spews:

    As a product of the rural Oregon public school system, when I graduated in the early 1980s, I was mad as hell to find out that my teachers had been dumbing down their lessons, they felt we couldn’t handle in the 1980s, what they had taught in the 1950 and 1960s. It’s been sliding for a long long time.

  114. 132

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    Today’s Rasmussen-
    Friday, August 08, 2008
    The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Friday again shows Barack Obama attracting 44% of the vote while and John McCain earns 43%. When “leaners” are included, it’s Obama 47% and McCain 46%. With leaners, the candidates have been within one point of each other for eight straight days

  115. 133

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    Missouri looks good for McCain per Raqsmussen:
    Missouri: McCain Now Leads By Seven in Classic Swing State
    Friday, August 08, 2008
    John McCain leads Barack Obama by seven percentage points in the race for Missouri’s Electoral College votes.

    The latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey in Missouri shows John McCain attracting 48% of the vote while Barack Obama earns 41%. This is the third time in the last four months that McCain’s support has been at 47% or 48%. The one exception came in early June—McCain’s support dipped as Obama was wrapping up the Democratic Presidential nomination.

    Obama has been in the 41% to 43% range for four straight months.

    Last month, McCain enjoyed a five-point lead in Missouri

  116. 136

    YLB spews:

    Requiring a driver’s license to vote was deemed unconstitutional by Missouri’s State Supreme court but that doesn’t stop Mr. C’s peeps from going Nazi on voters:

    http://www.bradblog.com/?p=6252

    Missouri is the ground zero of Republican vote suppression.

  117. 137

    mactac spews:

    @129 I support (and donate to) candidates I support.

    Right, Daddy. It’s definitely easier than leaving a company that has made big contributions to war criminals (your words, not mine). Splitting hairs on corporate vs. PAC contributions is a little lame.

    But you’re right, it’s your choice.

    Gotta run.

  118. 138

    Daddy Love spews:

    nces.ed.gov

    The National Center for Education Statistics (NCES) tracks state-by-state educational performance. I clicked through to rank states by eighth-grade math scores, and the top five states were:
    Massachusetts 252
    New Jersey 249
    New Hampshire 249
    Kansas 248
    Minnesota 247

    (Washington is 18th out of 50 states)

    The botttom five were:
    California 230
    Alabama 229
    New Mexico 228
    Mississippi 228
    District of Columbia 214

    I don’t knwo what the problem with DC is. California wrecked their schools sytem in the 1980s when they pulled the financing out from under them with Prop 13 (a conservative idea). What has Ahnuhld done to fix things? Perhaps not so much. New Mexico, I imagine, struggles with rurality, relative poverty, and high ESL populations. Alabama and Mississippi have the dual misfortune of being poor states ruled by Republicans.

  119. 140

    Daddy Love spews:

    137 mt

    Splitting hairs on corporate vs. PAC contributions is a little lame.

    No, not understnding the difference between corporate contributions and PAC organization is a little stupid. I was briefly a member of MSPAC, but no more.

    But it’s illegal for corporations to give money to candidates. If Steve Ballmer want to to donate to Republicans, it’s his privilege. This is a great country. We’ll try the war criminals.

  120. 141

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    Wisconsin Getting Closer, Obama By Four
    Thursday, August 07, 2008
    Barack Obama’s 11-point lead in Wisconsin is now down to four. The latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey in the state shows Obama leading John McCain 47% to 43%.

  121. 142

    Mr. Cynical spews:

    The O-blah-blah Lovefest is clearly teetering downward.
    The more people get to know this guy, the more they dislike and mistrust him.
    If the MSM, especially NBC, was neutral…he would be toast.
    Less than 90 days to go.
    What can O-blah-blah possibly do to right his sinking ship????

  122. 143

    Daddy Love spews:

    141 Cyn

    When your guy gets ahead somewhere important (like one of the states that went for Kerry in ’04) let me know. Until then, your guy is behind. He’s losing the race.

    When Obama gets in November what your guy got in 2004 (that is, 51% nationally), I’m sure you’ll point to it as proof of his popularity. Or won’t you?

  123. 144

    Marvin Stamn spews:

    18.3% of the washington workers are government employees. The other 80% are going to be responsible for a lot of benefits in the years to come.
       
    page 241

  124. 145

    michael spews:

    @136

    They’ve got to step up the vote suppression in MO after pro-choice Democrat Claire McCaskill won a seat in the senate.

  125. 147

    spews:

    @144
    I’m just outraged that my tax dollars are going to police and firefighters and their families.

    Man, you’re retarded.

    Jump, Marvin, jump!

  126. 148

    Blue John spews:

    @144. Hey Marvin, I’m told you don’t even live in the state anymore. When you move back, then you can comment on the way we do things.
    Jump, Marvin, jump!

  127. 149

    jsa on beacon hill spews:

    Just piping on on Marvin’s brain farts on homeschooling vs public schooling.

    First, I’ll restate and build on what Lee has said above. The advantage that private schools have is largely one of exclusivity. Children in private school come from involved families, and children who do not want to be in the school are generally asked to leave. Public schools do not have as much leeway in expelling students.

    To continue on this, most public schools do an extremely good job of educating kids. The public schools in the suburbs ringing Seattle (and * gasp! * even a few Seattle schools) are academically successful and highly sought-after by parents. Other urban schools, predominantly filled with poor children of unwhite background have real problems. These failing schools bring the averages down when you take large sets like “the entire United States”.

    Finally, since Marvin thinks that homeschooling is the shizznit, riddle me this.

    The State of Washington keeps test results for the WASL on every school that receives public money in Washington State.

    Here’s a spiffy web page where you can search on various values:

    http://reportcard.ospi.k12.wa......orgLinkId=

    (Push the Search button at the top)

    Search on number of students receiving free and reduced price meals, and put in a criteria of 0-20%. This will get you a list of some of the most affluent public schools in the state.

    Now, here’s the part that’s got me curious. Mixed in with these are a series of “homeschool coordination centers” of various sorts. Every school district has one. They have different names, but their job is to provide resources to home schooled children in that catchment area.

    If you compare their test scores with state averages, they’re generally OK, or a little above average.

    If you compare them with their socioeconomic peers, their test pass rate is often 15-20% BELOW that of comparable public school students.

    Why is that? What’s happening here?

    It’s an open question. I would really like to know if there’s a factor I’m not aware of which is creating such a large anomaly. Are families who are struggling with homeschooling being directed to these programs? Do homeschool parents just not give a fig about standardized tests? I don’t know.

    Any insight that you can give would be appreciated.

  128. 150

    Daddy Love spews:

    149 jsa

    Well, one “insight” I can give you is that there is a cadre of homsechooled students who are cherry-picked and drilled for success in spelling bees so they can be showhorses for the homeschool movement.

    As for lower scores for homeshooled students, I’d say it’s what happens when amateurs attempt to do the work of professionals.

  129. 151

    Steve spews:

    Speaking of Republican pedophiles, this one was just indicted for having recently sexually assaulted a 14 year-old girl.

    http://www.stltoday.com/stltod.....enDocument

    The Republican party’s pedophilia problem is as large or larger than that of the Catholic church priesthood. When is the corporate media going to connect the dots?

  130. 153

    Steve spews:

    @136 “Republican vote suppression”

    Hmm, a game of Jeopardy, Republican style. The question was, Alex, “What is the purpose of the Department of Justice?”

  131. 154

    mactac spews:

    @140 No, not understnding the difference between corporate contributions and PAC organization is a little stupid. I was briefly a member of MSPAC, but no more.

    There’s plenty of good company being unwilling to make false distinctions. As Goldy wrote here:

    http://www.horsesass.org/index.php?p=1068

    “I think it’s time that Microsoft’s customers, employees and shareholders start questioning how Gates & Company plans to wield this power.”

    I couldn’t agree more, whether it’s Microsoft or Boeing or any other big corporate entity.

  132. 155

    jsa on beacon hill spews:

    Well, one “insight” I can give you is that there is a cadre of homsechooled students who are cherry-picked and drilled for success in spelling bees so they can be showhorses for the homeschool movement.

    I find the idea of anyone’s children being used as showhorses to be disturbing.

    I bring up my statistics anomaly to illustrate a larger point. It is frequently repeated that home-schooled children do better academically than publicly schooled children. In the fine tradition of lies, damn lies, and statistics, this is true if you compare the set of all publicly schooled children vs the set of all home-schooled children. However, this is not a fair comparison set, since it overlooks that home-schooled children, as a group, come from a pretty economically fortunate set, namely the middle to upper-middle class.

    While parents will forgo an extra 2 rooms on the house, a boat, trips to Europe, etc. for one parent to remove themselves from the workforce to educate their kids, generally parents will not go on food stamps in order to accomplish the same goal.

    When home-schooled children are compared not against the set of “all students” but against their middle and upper-middle class peers, the “advantages” of home-schooling don’t seem to be so clear.

    This also brings up a larger point that I sort of touched on in the last message, but didn’t spell out. The United States does not have a problem educating suburban, middle-class kids in public school. If their scores are compared with their counterparts in Finland, Taiwan, Singapore, etc. they do quite well, thank you.

    The US has a problem educating the bottom 20-30% of the socioeconomic scale. This is a real problem. There are poor children in other countries too. Poor Canadian kids and poor Taiwanese kids do better on international tests than poor American children do.

    Marvin has a problem in that he’s in Los Angeles, which is about as fucked-up a place for education as you can possibly imagine. Decent middle-class LA parents would NEVER send their children to public school. Like a frog at the bottom of the well, Marvin thinks that the rest of the US is as FUBAR as LA is, and forms his opinions accordingly.

  133. 156

    Blue John spews:

    #152.
    Getting out of union contacts. They want services, but they don’t want to pay for them. What will they do, hire illegal aliens to do the work?
    Do they want cops and fireman making the same wages as a guy at Costco? What kind of effort would get get from that?
    Would you run into a burning building or risk your life in a drug bust for $15 an hour?

  134. 157

    Blue John spews:

    The FBI is now looking into the drug raid in Maryland where police shot and killed the two black Labradors of the mayor of Berwyn Heights (who was completely innocent).

    Police Officer
    Prince George’s County Government

    Starting Salary: $35,907

    A salary of $35,907 equates to a monthly pay of $2,992, weekly pay of $691, and an hourly wage of $17.26
    You get what you pay for.